tooldev-general

[subtle torrent]

i can't seem to find a map / atlas api

[subtle torrent]

rough skeleton of what i want to happen 😅

[grave wren]

Tried something similar in opencv2 but wasnt happy with the result

[chrome topaz]

it uses copy paste and a bunch of hotkeys you have to press

[grave wren]

xyz if you didnt know you use cryptominers on poe.trade

[chrome topaz]

it's pretty clever workaround

[grave wren]

community is very determined in the sudden death of poetrade

😮

[chrome topaz]

crypto miners? I think I accidentally left a bunch over when I was uploading viruses huh

[grave wren]

apparently

nice job

obligatory allan pls

[subtle torrent]

@grave wren what do you mean cryptominers?

i see

what's the safest trade website?

[grave wren]

😄

fucking allan

gottem

sneakily farmed a thousandsth of a coin

[subtle torrent]

@polar island will this persist even if the site is closed?

[jade adder]

@grave wren will sin need to be updated now that channel names have changed

[grave wren]

mutli will need to adapt the channels if he didnt do it yet

[pulsar moat]

@grave wren done

[compact isle]

where even am I

oh

[grave wren]

downgraded 🐸

[compact isle]

I don't exactly blend in well

[grave wren]

but at least you tried!

new novynn map when for wc3:r?

[compact isle]

unfortunately it's using the same engine so I doubt any of the problems I had would be fixed

[grave wren]

that's actually the interesting thing

i think they want to fix some of the issues

[compact isle]

unless I'm misunderstanding what they mean by compatible with previous wc3 maps

^

[grave wren]

uther parthy to annoy my friend who utterly loathes it

[compact isle]

we'll have to wait and see

I think the amount of assets puts a lot of people off

can't just chuck in a murloc or anything to your ported game

[grave wren]

i think paying for "one" map is also a big issue

[jade adder]

you've been moved so that you don't get pinged by people who think you run the discord

[grave wren]

i saw standalone legion td recently for 20€

[compact isle]

wait I don't run the discord?

that makes sense thanks Jeff

[grave wren]

give novynn admin for a day

petition started

[compact isle]

I want to see how far they can demote me

[grave wren]

you're already quite low as tool-dev

welcome in the dirt \o/

[hexed wasp]

Novynn will remember this.

[slow forge]

@timid hemlock Congrats

[timid hemlock]

Thanks! 😁

[mortal bone]

nice man

[hazy fog]

👏 red name coming soon

I think only multi and googa can do it

[faint remnant]

Congratz man! If that ain't well deserved appreciation!

[pulsar moat]

You are now Red!

[hazy fog]

orz we're not worthy

[compact isle]

congrats indeed to @timid hemlock :D

[cursive bluff]

congrats @timid hemlock !!!

[jade adder]

time to turn off pings 😏

[timid hemlock]

Mmmm yeah it's getting crazy

[mortal bone]

Yeah, rip

[smoky jewel]

Very much earned and deserved though~ Congrats

[timid hemlock]

Thanks

[meager flax]

CONGRATS MY DUDE

I have spent more time in PoB than PoE

clearly this is why GGG hired you

in game version of PoB soon?????????//

[topaz dew]

Congrats @timid hemlock ! Feels good when hard work finally pays off in such unexpected ways... 101% deserved! 👏

[grave isle]

Congrats @timid hemlock 👌

[gritty olive]

Congratulations arl!

I can stop working on poebuddy now

😄

[compact isle]

oh we're back up top now

[chrome topaz]

wow congrats

[slow forge]

Novynn, The Server Owner

[south quarry]

swapped my backend from node to elixir, now all requests are under 1ms without caching

[chrome topaz]

it was probably the is-odd package slowing it down

[south quarry]

it was okay, like 4ms

without caching sometimes node was up to 40ms for each request

😹 crazy

yeah just a basic express server, nothing even happening

this is what happens with node doing the same thing

and this is looking for exact same items right away

I think it's something with the database indexing or something

it's also n+1 query and elixir doesn't do that

I'm basically an elixir fanboy now 😹

[thick elm]

Elixir.. never tried that oO

I love my Go Backend ❤

[chrome topaz]

https://reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/9v3o99/_/e99bao2/?context=1

that's gotta be satire

[jade adder]

Hello everybody i've made an app that prints a message to the screen, what are my chances of getting hired

Don't sugar coat it

[compact isle]

*wraeclast

[torpid mesa]

3

[chrome topaz]

https://tinyhack.com/2014/03/12/implementing-a-web-server-in-a-single-printf-call/

clickbait warning

[grave wren]

Not even using the newest js framework

When is openarl getting ggged here?

[versed ginkgo]

He's red already

[grave wren]

[timid hemlock]

😁

[slow forge]

Gonna be interesting to see all them minion stats btw

[gritty olive]

🎉

[ebon oasis]

holy shit just seen it, awesome Openarl !

[topaz dew]

@chrome topaz thanks, had to release some steam on a random guy on reddit who doesn't know what he's talking about (or is trolling, works for me too).

[topaz dew]

@green oak Open the act map (U) -> Part 1 -> Act 2 -> The bandit lord quest -> if there is a bandit name, you helped that one

[pseudo ocean]

red maps sure for completion and chance of 8 mods

and the league is gonna end on dec 4th

@green oak also ur questions belong in #1┃after-acts-help or #1┃endgame-help

[green oak]

sorry i didnt reaslise i changed channel thanks

[simple ravine]

Congrats @timid hemlock - Hope you'll enjoy your new gig 🎉

[hazy fog]

shame reddit doesn't understand they hired openarl because he fulfilled the locale requirement while neversink is literally half a globe away in europe

[grave wren]

Not everyone wants to do game dev

I know I wouldn't

[keen dagger]

Actually New Zealand is in modern day Moldova

The “ocean” is a lie

[obtuse citrus]

gratz @timid hemlock

[hushed relic]

@timid hemlock congratulations Mr.Red

[timid hemlock]

Thanks 😀

[hushed relic]

That's prolly an impossible request

but I'd really like to know how you'd rate the quality of Poe code 😄

after 1-2 years

just on the scale of 1-10

[grave wren]

sneakily post about the worst of it here

[hushed relic]

It's like 99% certainly the UI

[grave wren]

we'll tell nobody

[timid hemlock]

😛

[grave wren]

be glad you dont have a pdf printer

prime suspect of being shitty

[hushed relic]

haha, the last company I've worked for

"what's up with the print service"

was like an everyday thing I've heard

[grave wren]

at ours a guy wrote it without any principles in mind

[hushed relic]

this is especially fun, since in germany like 95% of everything going on financially is done with SAP (shitty software everyone uses)

[grave wren]

solid 1.2k loc without ANY separation

[hushed relic]

and that thing has some obscure standards

[grave wren]

want to write bold and regular in one line? do it manually

wanna replace variables? "

[hushed relic]

But yeah, now that I think of it

there's few things that in the IT

that misbehave more often than printers

• everyone hates it

[grave wren]

yup

dates being another shitty thing i absolutely loathe

especially in an ongoing project

[hushed relic]

Have you ever seen a enterprise scale DB, that uses DATES as primary keys?

I've seen it once

this was scary

[grave wren]

wat

did you find out what kind of drugs they used

[hushed relic]

when I asked the devs about it back then, their sense of shame, was probably like that of someone who was caught masturbating to furry stuff

[grave wren]

they better be

thats like the worst idea i heard of yet

[hushed relic]

Ayep

[grave wren]

we use string uuids and technical ids for our client - turns out the previous devs didnt enforce uniqueness for both - made a 2h ticket into a wild ride of finding all kinds of duplicates that technically should not have existed

would not recommend

[hushed relic]

ouch

[grave wren]

initial ticket: 1h

time spent: 2.5d

😄

that pdf printer is a piece of art tho

should prolly sneak it out at some point

[worthy cape]

@hushed relic I appoint you responsible for sorting out all the GDPR aspects of printers.

My favourite features is fetching printouts without identification, and the ability to reprint any recent job from the console.

[hushed relic]

@worthy cape 😦 never

[grave wren]

wew

https://i.redd.it/3gqy4h6th5x11.jpg

[hushed relic]

takes note

[chrome topaz]

don't printers embed tracking dots in all printed documents?

and also save printed documents on a built in disk

[grave wren]

yes most do

https://github.com/dfd-tud/deda exists tho

[cosmic saffron]

just stick a piece of paper back into the drum and pull it out again

[tiny valve]

Anyone know where I can find PoE ninja's API

Or PoE's trade API

Wanna try and make my own parser

[deft jolt]

check the 📌

[gray glade]

hi, I'm working on an electron app and I need to parse the Client.txt, to what refers the small words like a34, 15e, d6, ...? they are present in each line of the logfile, it looks like it "categorize" a log by giving it a category id?

for example, a34 category id is present when a log is related to the chat

my question here is, are they constant? did they changes over client restart? updates? because I'm actually wondering if I can use them to categorize the logs when I'm parsing the client.txt

[potent temple]

if its u who is writing those small words they shouldnt change

if im understanding ur question correctly

[compact isle]

it's not a category, and it could change between updates

[civic yew]

Currently the Xbox ladders are only available on the web, or by downloading a Csv file. Currently I'm parsing this Csv for the console discord to have automatically updated data. Is that ever going to be upgraded to JSON? Would make my life, and my code, easier. Would love to be able to use the already available Ladder Api for this data, but understand that not being the case.

[compact isle]

our long-term plan is to have the website be able to handle all realms simultaneously so you'll be able to use the normal API at some point 😅

[velvet fog]

@compact isle Garena Online API broken

[compact isle]

server peeps are on it

should be working again now

[velvet fog]

thanks

[potent temple]

Would people be interested in having a in game Overlay that would work as a wiki for searching items and such?

[chrome topaz]

 compact Optional

Possible values:
-"0": Displays the full info for leagues retrieved (will only retrieve a maximum of 50 leagues) (the default)
-"1": Display compact info for leagues retrieved (will retrieve up to 230 leagues)

230 though? that's oddly specific

[hazy fog]

maybe the bits for the other 25 are used on something

[grave wren]

[dark dove]

hey guys anyone know if its possible to grab all the players in a guild/private league via api

or multiple characters at once

😦

[grave wren]

should be possible with a private league shouldnt it

[dark dove]

yeah but no way to grab specific league stashes is there

[grave wren]

get players tokens and grab it via the existing api i guess

[dark dove]

that's what I was planning on doing was grabbing all the chararcters in the league and indexing them

and then searching through it

[deft jolt]

for guilds you could parse the guild page

[dark dove]

but felt spammy api wise

[grave wren]

they better be caching

[dark dove]

yeah doesn't look theres any actual private league api open yet

[grave wren]

hm so i actually do need to work on my bot

fuq

[dark dove]

I hit up support and see if I get a response

[grave wren]

[dark dove]

Was just going do a create script for the hobo league to give to the guy

to check if any player was private profile/hide characters along with checking any charcter active for current equipped gear

just to snipe anyone using non unique gear that they didnt remove before entering another instance

guess that would also open private league stash tracking for trades aswell

[chrome topaz]

didn't they tell us affixes tires aren't coming to the public api

[chrome topaz]

guess I misread it then

[grave wren]

how are you going to finance allans education

[simple ravine]

more ads obviously

[chrome topaz]

ads while you sleep

in your dreams

[grave wren]

Oh no

[pseudo ocean]

is the guy who made poe.ninja here? can't find his name to ping him

doesn't seem intentional, looks like some error with formatting

[dark dove]

Thank you for contacting Support.

I have checked with the appropriate team members and I'm afraid this is something that is currently not possible. I will be sure to pass your feedback regarding this matter along to the appropriate team members to consider.```

[slow forge]

@pseudo ocean Yes he is here, tag @rasmuskl#2841

[pseudo ocean]

@fickle yew about the thing I posted above ^

[fickle yew]

@pseudo ocean Thanks. I'll take a look.

[pseudo ocean]

boiz i have a problem wit mercurytrade can someon help

i can hear notifications sound but non notifications pop up

i can see them in history but i cant reopen them

2 days ago its works good and now its dosnt ;-;

[gilded herald]

https://github.com/Exslims/MercuryTrade/issues
@pseudo ocean you could try submitting an issue here, but idk if it will be addressed.

Looks like that problem has been mentioned a few times fwiw

[worthy cape]

@compact isle The Veiled effect when hovering items on the announcement page seems a bit botched. The veil glyphs are completely missing in Firefox Nightly and Edge, and has an opaque black background in Chrome.

[cosmic saffron]

sounds like it'll be a bitch to render on other sites lol

[compact isle]

opaque black background is just something we have to live with, I think the firefox / edge fix is in the works

we'll probably have proper fallback for that kind of thing when actually implementing them

[cosmic saffron]

oh yeah it's an embedded video lol

[compact isle]

yup

[worthy cape]

Ah 😃

[velvet fog]

How veiled modifiers change stash API?

[worthy cape]

More GIFs for the GIF gods.

@velvet fog The ultimate challenge of new expansions, handing things as a tool-dev 😄

[compact isle]

still working on that @velvet fog, I'll probably do another one of those Website API forum post thingies once it's finalised

so far it's probably just "veiledMods": ["Suffix1"]

[chrome topaz]

and once you unveil do they just change to craftedMods?

[compact isle]

I assume so, will let you know when I know for sure

they are just crafted mods under the hood

[worthy cape]

Is there any distinction between an unveiled item and a mastercrafted item? As in, can you mastercraft on top of or "craft-remove" a natural unveiled mod?
Might be a bit important if you're out to purchase something I reckon.

[royal maple]

how crazy does it sound to make a web app in rust, which will interact with elasticsearch for the indexing?

[worthy cape]

Rust is always fun, so 5/7.

[royal maple]

actually, just rust

even more fun

[grave wren]

Haskell

Or riot

[desert thistle]

This might be slightly off-topic, but wouldn't it be neat if sites like poe.ninja could tell/show you whether a specific character had completed shaper/UAtziri/UElder, and maybe even a snapshot of their gear and tree at the time? Guessing that information isn't available from poe api :/

[grave wren]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18442941

oraguy

Oracle Database 12.2.It is close to 25 million lines of C code.What an unimaginable horror! You can't change a single line of code in the product without breaking 1000s of existing tests. Generations of programmers have worked on that code under difficult deadlines and filled...

Hacker News · Nov 13, 2018, 5:44 PM

So who wants to go to Oracle now

[potent temple]

is it considered "cheating" if we hook poe dx to create a ingame overlay?

or rather is it against the terms of service?

[worthy cape]

Fairly sure that injection/memory diddling is quite on the path to icky business.

Rather hard to distinguish uncommon genuine overlays from wicked hax.

Have you considered a window on a secondary screen instead? Should bring you a lot of the stuff you need, assuming you can assume multimon.

Works decently for that lab assistant thing.

[potent temple]

i was thinking on doing it ingame for easier access, plus i would deliver it to the public and not everyone has multimon so yeah

i was just wondering cus, performance wise, i dont know wich one is better to create a overlay, WPF, not hooked dx or hooked dx

[royal maple]

Another question, more directed to those that are using AWS to host the services. would you recommend something like lambda, beanstalk or just plain old EC2?

nevermind, I'm wrapping my head up on all the underlying infraestructure. Getting it wrapped up

[winter fossil]

Why even use AWS for hosting personal projects?

Unless you got something setup with dynamodb then I don't really see the point of going into that mess ;d

[royal maple]

too late

[royal maple]

I was planning on beanstalk. I think that you are confusing it with EC2 since lambda is still part of AWS

[eager rivet]

Anyone working on a hideout sharing website ?

[royal maple]

well, exactly me haha

[eager rivet]

hehe

anything I can contribute with ?

[royal maple]

you will probably know more than me, I know 0 about formatting and such

I was planning on making it on rust, then run in on a docker

[eager rivet]

rust ? that sounds ambitious 😄

[royal maple]

more like a learning project than something serious. if it were something serious I'd lean more on django combined with elasticsearch

[eager rivet]

I am more of a go guy if you couldnt tell from my avatar 😛

[royal maple]

oh right, the go thingie

tbh, I could give go a go

[eager rivet]

Wonder if it would be possible to render a preview of some kind from the text files somehow

[royal maple]

until we learn how it will be shared, no idea

[eager rivet]

Actually chris mentioned in an interview

its a text file

[royal maple]

well, yeah, but I mean the format

[eager rivet]

yeah best bet would probably to allow them to share a picture of the hideout

dunno if you are familiar with WoW but something like the wow website wago.io would fit very well I think

[royal maple]

my plan was making some sort of a database of hideout pages, each page consisting of images, maybe some youtube links and the sharing code

need to manage authentication of users, accounts, page data, and an efficient search capability of the said pages

[eager rivet]

example: https://wago.io/ByODNxx3Q pictures,description,comments etc and a convenient button to copy the import text

[royal maple]

yeah, that'd be great

honestly, go was one of the options, but when I though of making it compiled, the rust boner rose up

[eager rivet]

go is compiled 😛

[royal maple]

yeah, the thought process was "if it's compiled, it might aswell go full crazy"

I literally just registered the domain and set up dns for it in amazon so nothing is done yet

[eager rivet]

oh, whats the name if you dont mind ?

[royal maple]

poe.design :)

[eager rivet]

😛 nice one

Well, if you decide to do it in go, I'd love to help out

[royal maple]

might try, although depending on how I set it up contributing might tur easier or harder

I'll send you a PM when I get this more organized

[eager rivet]

sure

[simple ravine]

wait... java in 2018?

[mortal bone]

Might as well make a hideout planner of some sort :p

[acoustic sky]

Is there a way to add rampage or soulthirst stacks in poe?

[compact isle]

@worthy cape sounds like veiled mods are, for all intents and purposes, mastercraft mods so restrictions apply as appropriate

[gritty olive]

Oh god that oracle dB post

30 hour integration tests

[compact isle]

you can remove veiled mods after / before unveiling them as well if you really want to

[velvet fog]

[veiledMods] => Array
 (
    [0] => /video/VeiledMods/Suffix_05.mp4
)

[celest wasp]

This yak got a close shave

@royal maple I'm also happy to field go questions if you run into issues

[compact isle]

@velvet fog that was temporary for the announcement, currently I have it as "veiledMods": ["Suffix05"]

[velvet fog]

Thanks

[compact isle]

The numbers don't mean anything, just show a slightly different graphic

[worthy cape]

I wonder if the video problem is the same one I had long ago, where Chrome supported more silly color formats like yuv444 and RGB that other browsers didn’t. Took me a good while to figure that one out 😃

Ooh, seems like the workaround is in place now.

[royal maple]

@celest wasp thanks!

[oak estuary]

Anyone know of a way to extract the 3D models from the ggpk? I found a project on Reddit from over a year ago but the guy didn't post his source code. I thought I could then get it from VisualGGPK, but that runs out of memory on my computer (it also seems out-of-date anyway)

[velvet fog]

which link?

[oak estuary]

https://old.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/6ex7zw/path_of_exile_3d_model_viewer/

Looking at it again he used PyPOE, but I still don't have much knowledge of 3D modeling without a little guidance

[velvet fog]

https://poedb.tw/dls/fmt_PoE_sm.py

[oak estuary]

Sweet, I'll try this out

[velvet fog]

https://poedb.tw/threejs/obj_mtl.html

[worthy cape]

Got sidetracked on my project to do that right by porting my GGPK parser to Rust 😄

[noble siren]

How will veiledMods look like in the text after pressing ctrl+C in game?

[cosmic saffron]

zalgo text

[noble siren]

Good to know. Is there a reliable way to detect it, e.g. at least 5 unicode characters in the text?

[cosmic saffron]

that wouldn't help if the user is playing on another localization

harbinger has a bunch of garbo (space?) characters that get mapped to an in-game font probably

[noble siren]

Thanks for the info. If there is no known pattern, will see when the expansion arrives.:)

[hazy fog]

welcome to the newest tooldev @obsidian lark (co?) author of exileparty

[obsidian lark]

Thanks! We are two people working on ExileParty but i'm the only one in this disc atm 😃

[grave wren]

👋

[simple ravine]

wohoo, someone who uses a proper language :D
welcome @obsidian lark

@obsidian lark for .NET Core 2.1, it's recommended to use the services.AddHttpClient<IExternalService, ExternalService>(), and inject HttpClient

due to potential port exhaustion and other performance gains

[obsidian lark]

@simple ravine 👋 , Thanks for the heads up, i'll take a look at it!

[deft jolt]

👋

[hazy fog]

nice to see people actually reading sticky posts

[dark dove]

@royal maple i might steal your idea and learn how to webdev in python for once 👀

dunno about this web design layout tho for it

[compact isle]

uh oh, new maps are going to be a pain to support

@chrome topaz when you use images for determining item types, do you use the whole url or just the filename part?

[simple ravine]

maps with veiled mods incoming?

[compact isle]

oh boy I hope not

but the new maps will have the same image path just a different parameter in their url

since only the background is changing not the symbol

[simple ravine]

ah

does this mean a new 'map series' for the map stash tabs?

[compact isle]

yep

[simple ravine]

oh boy

[compact isle]

yeeeep

[simple ravine]

well duh, now i feel stupid. i should have been able do deduce that from the tier changes

but it kind of leads to the next question regarding the web interface / api for map stash tabs... any plans on that, or just ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[compact isle]

I mean I was planning on doing it for 3.5.0 but now I have to go back and rewrite our trade site handling of maps

since we use internal ids to refer to them and now those ids will all be the same :(

[simple ravine]

oh snap

no "rory, heads up, this is gonna bite you in the rear"?

[compact isle]

I mean I had a heads up

it was just last week

so for gen 4 maps (worlds) the param is still ?mn=1

gen 5 (upcoming) will use ?mn=2

guardian maps will also use ?mt=0 instead of whatever their tier was

since their symbols have their own tint and don't use the tint from the tier

[hazy fog]

[chrome topaz]

@compact isle whole url

[compact isle]

cool okay, then the only thing you'll have to be aware of is the guardian map change with the url have ?mt=0 instead of ?mt=16 on war for the atlas maps

[chrome topaz]

what's mt mean?

[compact isle]

map tier, used to colour the symbols / ring

I'll put examples in the example post whenever I get around to making it

[chrome topaz]

alright, thanks

[royal maple]

@dark dove I was gonna do it in django in the end hahaha. I'm stealing some imageboard projects to learn how to do some basic authentification, listing and creating posts and such

I don't really have much time to dedicate since I work irl so I can give 1-2h at best per day, which is like nothing at this stage

[hazy fog]

@distant rock

[distant rock]

Thank you. 😃

[hazy fog]

☝ co-dev of exileparty

[deft jolt]

👋

[velvet fog]

official site down?

[chrome topaz]

rip

[distant imp]

is something up with lab compass?

it seems to be hogging 20% CPU idling

is it actively polling or what

[worthy cape]

Found the Qt renderer it uses a bit weird when it's overlapped/overlapping things.

[grave wren]

@royal maple arent there ready to use modules for that?

[worthy cape]

@royal maple Making a poebooru? 😉

[royal maple]

@grave wren No idea 😅

@worthy cape Nah, I'm looking for projects like that because they usually already have a login, a main page which lists posts and a search function with those, a way to see single posts (image posts) and a way to upload images with description and such. It's almost what I need to make a hideout sharing site

[ember cedar]

dont know if this is the right place for this question, there any chance you guys will release an app version of pob ?

[simple ravine]

the very definition of PoB is an app

[royal maple]

I think he meant a mobile version 😂

[simple ravine]

lol then he should say that 😛

app isn't exclusively a mobile thing

[ember cedar]

who says im a he ?

im a trigender firefox

xD

[royal maple]

I know, I know. just sharing normie knowledge

[ember cedar]

naa i thought mobile version was implied

[royal maple]

well, it wasn't

app, as in application, is basically any kind of program. be it web based, desktop, or mobile

[jade adder]

it was implied for me, somebody who doesn't pick apart semantics

[ember cedar]

let me clarify then, will there be a version of pob for android/ios, so i can build while i play diablo immortal ?

[royal maple]

I had to spend a long minute thinking what this fellow user meant

[simple ravine]

i'm not gonna bother

[royal maple]

it has a MIT license, so feel free to fork it and make a mobile version yourself :)

https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding

[ember cedar]

i would if i had the skills required to do so :/

[simple ravine]

nothing stopping you from acquiring said skills

[ember cedar]

except for life and responsibilities 😉

[simple ravine]

those are priorities

learning lua would likely take less time than porting it to a mobile device

[ember cedar]

and as much as i would love to learn the programming languages etc. i just cant grasp it i guess

[simple ravine]

have you tried for more than a day?

[ember cedar]

ofcourse

[torpid mesa]

🤔 acquiring the skills needed to port a program you dont know to a system you also dont know is hard enough that suggesting it seriously is pretty dang rude

[simple ravine]

i disagree, but if he or she took it that way, i apologize

i think it's a great way to learn programming. it's really hard finding a fun cause/use-case when learning programming

if you don't know programming, all systems are terra incognito, no?

[torpid mesa]

some systems will be way more obtuse if you dont even know control flow yet

[simple ravine]

what system are you talking about, i thought you meant operating system

[torpid mesa]

i mean an entire api and the patterns used to interface to it

[ember cedar]

its impossible to offend me in any way so dont worry about it. im not one of these sjw folk

[simple ravine]

such as?

[torpid mesa]

such as the android api

but even lua's c api

[simple ravine]

i think the the android API is easier than anything

[torpid mesa]

if you dont know what an if statement is, trying to translate between them is nonsensical

[simple ravine]

afaik, I haven't seen any C in PoB

[torpid mesa]

the entire ui is written in c/c++

its just not in the same repo

simeplegraphics is a library that openarl wrote that the lua communicates with

[simple ravine]

so you think it's completely ridiculous to take something like PoB and learn programming? I disagree, and it's fine that we don't have the same opinion

but calling me "dang rude" is a bit out there

[torpid mesa]

thezenseiToday at 1:30 PM
have you tried for more than a day?

it may not be the intention but that is a very very rude way to phrase it

[simple ravine]

you have to be pretty sensitive, but sure

whatever you say

[torpid mesa]

i have recently been helping teach total noobs to programming and they have issues reading from a csv file, so id say yeah its a bit much. new programmers give up if they have eto learn tons of stuff before their program even displays anything

there are many ways to learn, and the best ways tend to break things down in to manageable chunks

[simple ravine]

I didn't suggest he go learn programming by porting it in the same go

right?

[torpid mesa]

why even bring up porting pob, and 'acquiring said skills' if you didnt actually mean the skills needed to port pob

[simple ravine]

well you need to learn somewhere... jesus, why the hostility?

[dull laurel]

why would you want to port pob? i mean the only sensible port would be to make it a web app 😉

[torpid mesa]

because your reply to 'will pob get ported to mobile' was very rude

[simple ravine]

that is your opinion.

[torpid mesa]

i assure you, its not just mine

and thats not an 'empty them' here, thats a direct conversation with others

on this specific instance

[jade adder]

Its not just his, I felt it rude that somebody asked a simple question and your followup was that they should learn it themselves

Dude just wanted to know what the plans were

[simple ravine]

I didn't suggest it. I suggested he could learn how to

[torpid mesa]

its a common reply when people talk to maintainers of open source code 'well just do it yourself' and its very bad for the os community

[simple ravine]

I followed up on a suggestion

[torpid mesa]

you also suggested that he had not tried and you doubted that he was telling the truth

[dull laurel]

actually I came here for a different question. Is there a spec for the ggpk files?

[torpid mesa]

if you want to get people in to programming, telling them to fix any suggestion they have themself isnt doing it

there is the pypoe set of tools, which might have some info on how they parse it

[simple ravine]

to be fair, the way you're talking to me now is equally hostile

[torpid mesa]

if you really question if it pushes people away, just google for other instances of this

there are tons and tons of discussions where people reply just like you did

and the consensus is that it has a negative effect

[simple ravine]

i know people where it had the opposite effect

[torpid mesa]

telling someone that they were rude, in a way that does not actually insult them, is not 'bad behavior'

[simple ravine]

it has to do with who's curious enough to learn how to tinker with programming

[torpid mesa]

just because there are some people where it had a good effect doesnt magically make the many cases where it didnt go away

[simple ravine]

you're going on about how things work, insinuating that i know very little about the subject, based on a phrase i wrote

[torpid mesa]

tbh its pretty clear you wont change your mind on if this is rude or not from a conversation, im just going to leave it at: dont be rude to people asking questions

[simple ravine]

@torpid mesa you're not the only one who have taught people to program. i've been programming for ~20 years, and taught people how to, but to be successful doing so, there has to be some curiosity and will

and that is what i was asking about, even if it came out clumpsy

it doesn't mean you should take out all the negativity in the os community on me, as it felt you did, because of that

[ember cedar]

guys chill, your making an elephant out of an ant. I only asked if there was any plans for making a mobile version of pob thats all.

[delicate ore]

someone is supposed to be making a web version

[simple ravine]

xyz did some work on that, iirc

[torpid mesa]

There is no need to continue this part of the conversation, he received a formal warning and can act as he feels he should.

[delicate ore]

yeah

also

there is an OKish android app

and @gritty olive made a web pob viewer

[ember cedar]

but regarding the discussion u 2 had, yes riff is correct, i only asked about pob being ported to mobile, not if i wanted to do that myself and learn programming to do it.

but i was not offended in any way by thezen.

[simple ravine]

i'm glad you weren't. it wasn't my intention to offend you either

[gritty olive]

I made a web version

http://poe.technology/poebuddy

Works on mobile too

[dull laurel]

haha, nice domain

[gritty olive]

If you want to port the entire application, yeah you'll have to rewrite the whole thing

[simple ravine]

that reminds me... my poe-related domains, crap... i might've forgot to renew them

[gritty olive]

I have a version that wraps the lua application and loads it headless but it takes 3-20s to parse things.

[ember cedar]

ok give me 24h ill have it ported to mobile. *calls proffessional programmer to do it"

[gritty olive]

You'll need a team tbh

The Lua expressions to another languages are going to be hell for anyone

[ember cedar]

u saying a chinses farmer held at gunpoint wont be enough ?

[gritty olive]

Since it's not a 1:1 conversion

[dull laurel]

why would one use lua for that? 😄

[gritty olive]

It's what it's written in

Whatever someone feels comfortable writing honestly

[delicate ore]

@gritty olive there are good js lua vms now

[gritty olive]

I know the person who wrote them all

We sat down

[ember cedar]

its not even a must, its just conveniance i guess, i fly around a lot and would be cool to have a mobile version that i can use on the plane., without having to buy a surface

[gritty olive]

Even he was fucking done after we got it working

I literally work with him 😂

[delicate ore]

cool

i was porting love2d to html5 using one of them

but then quit

mostly because i didn't want to port all the graphics code and fix it by hand

[hazy fog]

are there remoting in apps for phones?

[delicate ore]

for playing?

the best is parsec

[hazy fog]

no, for pob

[delicate ore]

oh

theres tons

teamviewer is one of the best

[hazy fog]

could do that then

[delicate ore]

parsec is also amazingly good if you actually want to play poe on your phone

provided you have good connection

[gritty olive]

Join.me / Zoom / Teamviewer

[delicate ore]

and a usb adapter + kb + mouse lol

[hazy fog]

I'm just thinking of alternatives, Sometimes the answer to the problem is not what the problem finder thinks

[simple ravine]

not sure how i would enjoy a PoB-type of application on a 5-6" inch screen... a 10-11" inch tablet though, perhaps

[dull laurel]

needs a completely different user experience

[simple ravine]

yeah, but even then, i'm not sure it'd be something I would think is worthwhile using (personally)

the biggest hurdle, I think, is the skill tree

[dull laurel]

on a touch screen you could nicely move around there, including zooming in and out

[simple ravine]

well, perhaps im just too old and grumpy (as some might have insinuated ), but if someone want to take a stab at it, i think that's the thing I would PoC out first as lean as possible

get that part right, and see if people like the tree, and it feels efficient enough to work with

[ember cedar]

i mean its not really needed, its just pure convenience

[worthy cape]

@dull laurel GGPK itself is very simple chunk-based and fully known except how to compute the SHA256 digests for directories.

https://gist.github.com/zao/67defb1ac9d94fc246391170d052528b

As for the .dat files and other game data formats inside, they're more or less figured out, but tend to change meaning as patches come.

There's C# and Pythong libraries to work with GGPK, and I have my own C++ and (not quite done) Rust ones.

[dull laurel]

@worthy cape thanks for the input. actually I was just about to start on a rust version, because I wanted to get to know rust and it seemed like a fun exercise 😃

[worthy cape]

I haven't figured out what a ergonomic (ugh) interface to it would look like, but I've got the parsing of Directory/File entries into a big honking Vec of enums, and represent the sets of children as a range of indices into this Vec.
Solves all the lifetime problems 😉

[dull laurel]

I would stick with the c# version and have vectors with records.

[worthy cape]

https://bitbucket.org/zao/ggpk-rs/src/master/src/ggpk.rs

[dull laurel]

Nice, thank you. Even though I understand mostly nothing it might be a good start 😉

[worthy cape]

It was my first big project when picking Rust up again, so it's probably horrible code, but it's great to have a project of limited but real scope to find all the Fun Parts of the language.

[simple ravine]

https://github.com/andreandersen/PoeSharp/blob/master/src/PoeSharp.Files/Ggpk/GgpkFileSystem.cs

It's quite rough still, but it works

and pretty decent performance

[dull laurel]

@worthy cape indeed, like not having classes like I just noticed

[worthy cape]

I'd like to have the initial parse async so I don't have to wait a dozen seconds on startup without resorting to the cut-down DAT-only GGPKs that seem popular in Other Tools.

[dull laurel]

Yes, that was my plan too. Parse the GGPK file async and lazyly, because I don't want to load 8GB into memory. But in the end I want to shove that data in a database and make a nice webpage out of it

[worthy cape]

Not sure if I should disregard 32-bit consumers and just mmap the file like I do in the C and C++ implementations, or stick with tons of file handles and sadness.

In any way, sucking in the tree representation up-front and lazy-loading the actual contents tends to work reasonably fine.
But yes, you can definitely just shove it all into a single sqlite3 database and it'll work Fine. 😄

[dull laurel]

I just want to extract dat stuff, for example active and support gems

[worthy cape]

I believe I'm obligated to tell you that there's a repository of the current set of dat stuff, encoded as JSON, up somewhere.

[pseudo ocean]

dunno if mention the tool's name would against the discord policy or not ;_;

so I only can tell that the tool is code in Python.

[worthy cape]

(I've literally forgotten the location and search isn't cooperating)

[pseudo ocean]

then, PyPoE.

[dull laurel]

didn't find it there

[chrome topaz]

i gotcha https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE

[pseudo ocean]

hmmm I think not

https://github.com/OmegaK2/PyPoE

This one.

It contains dat -> json method, I convert them successed before using c#

[dull laurel]

@chrome topaz thanks. that helps

why do they often use ints that are 100 times bigger in the data? is that to not deal with decimal numbers?

[pseudo ocean]

there are some 'unknown' data in dat, as we are re-engineering the files, the only way to get the right value it present is 'guessing' and 'trying' xD.

for example, The Tips.dat file, it's a easy one to reverse, the final result in SQL like this

but if you're trying to get other files work, then you have to try every column's posible types.

like ZanaQuests.dat

so it would store some 'weird' values within the json, that's because PyPoE defines those Unknown columns to a specified type that match the structure size in dat file.

[dull laurel]

i was more referring to those values like quality%, which is 500 for added chaos, which actually means 0.5% per quality

[pseudo ocean]

^^^ that's the way raw data present, you have to format those values.

[worthy cape]

@dull laurel IEEE-754 types like single/double precision floats kind of suck if you want to represent strange uncommon values like 0.1.

Integer counts of like parts-per-thousand helps with human-friendly values like that.

[obtuse citrus]

AFAIK integer math is also faster then working with floating points on the CPU

Also, speaking of integermath, you don't actually get fractional values from quality. only integers

applies to other things in poe as well, usually they just work with intergers so you don't get fractional values

maybe @timid hemlock can also fill the gaps in for the dat files, if GGG allows him to 😛

[timid hemlock]

_>

[obtuse citrus]

[compact isle]

reveal your secrets openarl

[obtuse citrus]

They are your secrets too, novynn 😄

[pseudo ocean]

fill the gaps

[compact isle]

I'm too noob to know about mysterious .dat files

[timid hemlock]

They're not that mysterious 😛

[velvet fog]

there are too many unknown columns in .dat files, and many hidden .dat files

[timid hemlock]

That's funny, I seem to be able to see everything 😛

[velvet fog]

You are powerful than Novynn!

[timid hemlock]

Yes.

[velvet fog]

Will we have more apis? I hope we could have Map Stash, Atlas status, Quest Process, Detail Stash (with mod tier and name), and more.....

and account session key

[delicate ore]

pantheon and atlas too

[grave wren]

And persistent minimap zoom pls cough

[pseudo ocean]

I need detail API readme document

[obsidian lark]

@pseudo ocean https://app.swaggerhub.com/apis/Chuanhsing/poe/1.0.0 ?

[pseudo ocean]

@velvet fog I see you >_>

@obsidian lark Thank you 👌

[grave wren]

crawl away

[chrome topaz]

slow down, it's already dead

[grave wren]

what

poe.trade dead?

:y

[chrome topaz]

no, poe.com is dead

[grave wren]

nonono poe.trade is always down dont you know

[chrome topaz]

well, problem is if poe.com is down all the APIs are down as well

[dull laurel]

@obtuse citrus yeah makes sense about those integers.

[dull laurel]

poe.com looks like a spam page to me.

[distant rock]

Its back up boys and girls!

[chrome topaz]

https://twitter.com/pathofexile/status/1064972207720284160

Path of Exile (@pathofexile)

Our site has been suffering from DDOS attacks for several hours now. We expect to have it back up soon.

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[pearl reef]

Hey guys, can someone help me? I'm trying to install PyPoE UI, using this documentation: http://omegak2.net/poe/PyPoE/installation.html and I have this error at the last step:

(yes-yes, Hellow ACER o/)

I think, I done everyhting before right — pyton, pip, git... After I did clone command files were downloaded into corresponding directory

[obtuse citrus]

the docs are a bit outdated, as it says on the github page you probably want 3.6 now for optimal compability. I am not really sure where that error even comes from though

[pearl reef]

Have only 3.7 pyton installed, and I assume if "pip3" command is working that mean it's correct version

@polar island btw what the plugin for fancy quoting?

test

yay

Yay, at last I will be able to message formulas without multiplication fucked up... I guess?

12=2*3*3
12=233

(middle 3 is italic, always had a problem with that)

[slender sparrow]

ddos is really annoying grumble

[pearl reef]

@obtuse citrus Those applications can be accessed though the launchpad
Is that win+R or how do I run it?

[obtuse citrus]

the Scripts folder of python need to be in your %PATH% for that to work, since it installs the thing there

then you can just lauch via pypoe_ui on cmd (or windows search)

[rapid pagoda]

@pearl reef where are you seeing that message? Launchpad is a macOS thing

[obtuse citrus]

or just run python PyPoE/ui/__init__.py

(from the main pypoe folder, or just use full path to the file)

[pseudo ocean]

do you run command under PyPoE root ?

pip install .e[full]

[chrome topaz]

@polar island I also got ddosed but hetzner ate the attack ez

[pseudo ocean]

if so, use this command to check if everything installed

pip freeze

the pypoe_exporter.exe would dynamically generate in

\...Install path...\Python\Python36\Scripts\

AFAIK, if you cannot run pypoe_exporter.exe, most of case is you haven't installed the PyPoE dependencies, please check PyPoE installation guideline in Github.

[chrome topaz]

yeah pretty much at the same time

i got the abuse email, then poe.com went down

[obtuse citrus]

angry d3 players D:

[obtuse citrus]

On reddit there is another thing blowing up with the playdiablo4 domain

May be related idk

In my experience gamers tend to an immature whiney bunch which has a portion of people that do illegal stuff like (D)DoS :/

[simple ravine]

nowadays you can just hire a DDoS attack... insane

[obtuse citrus]

yeah

[pearl reef]

Tnx guys, after reinstalling python and windows rebooting computer everything working even %path% thing shortcut.

[hazy fog]

you mean hire a company to help you do stress testing 😉

[grave wren]

@obtuse citrus the domain thing is understandable though. Ip laws et al.

[obtuse citrus]

Yeah, what I meant was more that when something heated like this comes up it tends to stirr up the trolls on both sides

I mean just look at the thread. It's going on about some drama related to moderating other subreddits

[grave wren]

Ew

[pearl reef]

Is someone here using poe Smoother? Can you tell me — do you have immunity shield during Uber Elder fight?

(on bosses ofc)

[velvet fog]

@compact isle some official page broken https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/807869

[simple ravine]

still getting attacked I presume?

[royal forum]

How do I make poe trade macro to search in delve not standard?

[grave wren]

click settings

needs to be tmpstandard

[royal forum]

ah ty

[grave wren]

[compact isle]

@velvet fog cheers

[velvet fog]

it display [jsonItem]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[/jsonItem] on items

[compact isle]

I saw

[gray creek]

does a shopping list tool/chrome extension exists yet? letting you add items to a wishlist and maybe check their median/min price or something like that? can't find anything like it on google

[south quarry]

@gray creek I'm actually working on something like that right now, the core parts of it are like 95% done

https://poewishlist.xyz/
it's still including a bunch of non-working stuff and template things though, not really released yet, I just kinda put it up to get hosting working

but if you wanna add stuff to a shopping list it'll work for that right now

[gray creek]

Neat! Thanks i'll check that out 😃

[simple ravine]

that looks like a jwt token base64 encoded json

[potent temple]

does any1 know if ggg takes in interns?

[grave wren]

ggg knows

[quick lynx]

I don't think so but you could email them @potent temple

[e-mail]

[cosmic saffron]

last I checked one of the pre-requisites was that you'd need to relocate

[novel wing]

any good map counter?

[potent temple]

@quick lynx alright will do that then thanks

[worthy cape]

@novel wing Problem with completion is that there's no API way to query it out, and OCR:ing the atlas is extremely hard to get robust. There's a few manual websites I believe.

[novel wing]

oh, thx

[celest wasp]

Got passives displaying :D
Now polishing; the plan is to make the tooltips actually tooltips.
Any critique on general layout?

[grave wren]

perfect light theme for jeff

looks nice tho

[celest wasp]

👍 gotta get a poe-looking color theme before announcing

[hazy fog]

blindingly bright

[cosmic saffron]

tbh I don't recognize most passives or notables by icon because they're always connected to something else

are you set on the vertical scrolling page layout?

[celest wasp]

Yeah, the passives need a tooltip, which I can do. I wonder if there's a way around that

I'm not married to the vertical layout, it was just the first idea I had; do you have anything in mind?

[cosmic saffron]

orientation can go either way (if you use css grids you can interchange them), was thinking of a floating box (similar to what poe.ninja has for passive tree heatmaps) that shows the passive allocation point-by-point synced with the scrolling

item info box should stay static vs left-aligned to the item's picture

maybe have another virtual inventory where you can "pin" the current items you have, unless you already have it synced with the players' current equipment via stash api

[celest wasp]

Interesting! I just spent some time sketching that out.

• I have never experienced a horizontally scrolling site that was satisfying. Would love an example if you have one offhand
• I like the item box staying static on the side; perhaps just a single one that updates when you scroll the item into the center?
• I could trivially maintain a 'virtual equipment' that shows what you had equipped at a certain point while scrolling; my diffing goes pretty deep so that's surface level.

I'm running into issues where there's a lot of noisy changes like 'took it off to master craft, put it back on' that my backend doesn't alias to a single mastercraft right now. That results in very dirty line of diffs.
Perhaps just having per-level/play-session(at higher levels; I can determine that with ~some work) items + passives 'box'(god I wish I had the poe.ninja heatmap code) would make more sense than just displaying individual diffs?
I've got a lot of neat data that's roughly realtime but not sure how to display it D:

@cosmic saffron I really appreciate the ideas!

Perhaps less 'timeline/diff' oriented and more 'time travel' oriented?

[cosmic saffron]

horizontal scrolling is better implemented when the implementation wants something like tabbed pagination, photo slideshow etc

mastercrafting doesn't change the item's name though, you can use that + base name + itemlevel as a basic key to avoid deep compares

a tool I've used for mockups is https://www.invisionapp.com/, but it gets a bit memory hungry with large amount of assets

[inner beacon]

What have yallstdve been using as a database to store the item feed? I'm most familiar with SOLR.

[simple ravine]

I think the most popular choice is SOLR's competitor Elasticsearch

[simple ravine]

They're both using Lucene under the hood though

[simple ravine]

http://solr-vs-elasticsearch.com/

heh...

[celest wasp]

Is there an open source svg renderer for the passive tree? Everything I've seen seems to use canvas D:

[celest wasp]

@cosmic saffron thoughts? (Ended up using this simpler wireframe tool to get started)

Parenthesis indicate comments/clarifications; not part of the design

[cosmic saffron]

is the rightmost panel is the target build or current build?

the passive tree box might take up too much room, you could definitely make it smaller if it has dynamic scale

[celest wasp]

Rightmost is the current build. The idea is that each slot has two items, the current and the next with the amount of each shown determined by how close/far they are. (the brown/red diagram in the bottom left)

Yeah, passive tree is pretty big. I should have control over it by rendering out an svg

Ah, good point. Probably the same as my current vertical timeline. Since we would've recorded nothing happening during that point, it would just skip the gap. So, 34 -> 37 if they never allocated a skill or changed equip

In theory, I should have about a ~zone of granularity for characters which should be enough to avoid most nasty issues

[cosmic saffron]

probably at the point when the pob "finishes"

we've indoctrinated most people to stop making level 100 builds on this server

[celest wasp]

I've thought about that a bit

I can pretty reasonably do 'session' tracking. So, anything past ~80 can be '8h - 10h - 3h'

[cosmic saffron]

yeah maybe have a user-specific threshold that they can define

what kind of events are you going to have in the feed? I'm assuming you're filtering out stuff like quality and gem exp (unless it hits the build guide milestone or something)

[celest wasp]

I like the thresholds idea for what determines a 'session breaker'.
I currently have this

basically, crafting, corruption, and socketing

[cosmic saffron]

do you do area tracking i.e. a crafting session from hideout <-> mines

[celest wasp]

I wish I could. As far as I know, that'd need client.txt access which is out of scope for now

[cosmic saffron]

you could make a bot that just does a /whois every few seconds or so :p

[celest wasp]

o no

I wonder what would be more time consuming, botting /whois or distributing client binaries...

I'm oncall this week and leaguestart is soon... I'll probably launch on reddit with major streamer tracking on the current, cleaned up vertical design then work on the wireframe

BTW does GGG ever give rate limiting exemptions for apis? I'd like to hit get-character more than 60 times a second. I can scale horizontally but that's both expensive and abusive

[cosmic saffron]

is that 60 times per second per user?

or are you expecting about 60 users to be using it?

[celest wasp]

ah, that's definitely supposed to be 60/requests minute. I'd like to do 1 request per-account per-minute and support a decent number of users

cycling vpns is an interesting idea

[cosmic saffron]

why can't you let the front-end user poll the api

[celest wasp]

@polar island vpns are a lot of complexity to introduce. I'll hold off on that till I have people asking. Optimally, I wouldn't try to work around their rate limiting but if that's not an option... 😐

[cosmic saffron]

yeah a bit of round tripping

[celest wasp]

@cosmic saffron I could let the user do that but I need to store it in my backend like poeapp said

user input = spooky

I definitely don't need that granularity. One request for ~5 minutes would probably give me all the resolution I need apart from levels 1-3. One request for 1 minute is wonderful

explicitly no caching

also, they weren't using cloudflare like 2 months ago if I recall correctly. Neat

[chrome topaz]

they must've switched it on after the ddos

[pseudo ocean]

hmhm I can't retrive any client version from PyPoE, maybe the patch server ip is changed.

oh, nvm, I think just because of DDoS.

cannot open the socket to patchserver

[celest wasp]

Hey, thanks for the discussion around my design. The comments were super useful 👍

<Removed as its a potential abuse vector>

[chrome topaz]

it's gonna be good for them bad for your parser when it enters ddos protection mode and starts serving you a captcha page instead of the api

[worthy cape]

Thanks for giving me the shivers... mentally expanded CF to ColdFusion, showing my age 😃

[civic yew]

Cold fusion, ewww.

[compact isle]

@celest wasp thanks for the concern, but we are using the header correctly. Perhaps you were mistaken?

[celest wasp]

@compact isle That's curious. I currently have a continuous scraper running against those endpoints(coded to respect rate limiting) in a vm(state in pictured terminal). Since its rapidly making the same connections, I'd expect it to reuse the same edge node. However visiting the profile page from outside my vm (same ip) yields a mismatch. These matched up as of two months ago.

Picture was comparing get-items to get-characters, this one is just get-items, my bad

[compact isle]

that's definitely interesting, mind PMing me your IP so that I can take a look?

[celest wasp]

👍

[slow forge]

2 weeks before major release too

😬

[grave wren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/a0gyzt/lpt_if_you_want_to_learn_a_new_skill_dedicate_40/

[grave wren]

Nope

[simple ravine]

hehe... 20 hours of programming?

[hazy fog]

intermediate programmer is working a 9-5 for years

I'm only getting to that point

[grave wren]

define intermediate

[hazy fog]

I just did

[grave wren]

thats just a time frame

not a definition

[hazy fog]

intermediate is the skill level between novice and senior

can you solve every problem : senior
can you solve most problems: intermediate
can you solve some problems: novice

[grave wren]

can you solve every problem : senior

[dull laurel]

that's an interesting definition

[hazy fog]

I just made it up, it sounded good in my head

[grave wren]

sounds very weasely

[hazy fog]

dook dook

https://giphy.com/gifs/cheezburger-cute-computer-XngVh5Xiaa4j6

[grave wren]

solved all of my problems

senior weasel confirmed

wait a mi...

time to find a thing you cannot solve as mod

[hazy fog]

I can't change my own color

I am ferret not chameleon

[grave wren]

but can you make exile and tools equal

[hazy fog]

I can delete them both

[grave wren]

fine

[celest wasp]

can you solve every problem : senior
calls bullshit on useless problems: senior

[pseudo ocean]

Does anyone know how to retrive the client version number?

PyPoE's can't work properly after DDoS event.

[toxic spoke]

how does poe forum item linking work? where you can put your item in a forum post? is there an api for that, or is it forum specific?

i'd imagine since poe.trade does something similar, displaying the item from a user's stash, there's an api i could use for it

https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/api-resource-public-stash-tabs

i guess linking things on the forum is different, and requires access to your character. i wonder if it's doable if given the POESESSIONID thing like currency cop uses

my tool doesn't actually need access to the specific item, it could just let you choose an item base and display that.

ooh the cargo query api might be useful here from the wiki

[chrome topaz]

click on your avatar when you're logged into the forum

[toxic spoke]

yeah i'm trying to do this from outside the forums though

[chrome topaz]

so what are you trying to do?

[toxic spoke]

basically replicate that functionality from the forum. but i don't think it has to come from your stash, i just need the ability to display like a unique item as the item image

cause this use case doesn't actually care about the specific item, just the definition of it i guess

looks like there's a python api library too that could come in handy.

basically i want the user to be able to like type the name of an item [[Montegrul's Grasp]] and, when I parse that input, it gets converted to an image of Montregul's Grasp, maybe like the wiki

[random quarry]

anyone know off the top of their head if there are trade API endpoints exposed for private leagues, or is that tied to GGGs trade site?

[toxic spoke]

maybe a hoverable link or something, but that's an implementation detail i can figure out.

@chrome topaz so https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Mon'tregul's_Grasp i basically want access to that box on the right somehow

even if i have to do some monkeying to put it together

[random quarry]

are you wanting to just do this for any given unique item?

[toxic spoke]

or item bases

but i don't need a silver bullet

i'm looking at this right now https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Template:Item#Base_item

[random quarry]

you can just scrape all the item/base details you need from wherever and use that. I don't think there's an API you can query that will return what you're looking for specifically

that's how something like path of building works, you can see how he's structured it here https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/tree/master/Data

[toxic spoke]

yeah i basically need that in json. haha

i need to build path of building's item builder in javascript, basically.

[random quarry]

it'd be pretty straightforward to parse his lua and turn it into JSON

[toxic spoke]

little outside of my knowledgebase but it's something to think about

[random quarry]

there's not really a good central source of this information to my knowledge unfortunately. You could do something really ugly like scraping the forums or something but I think that'd be substantially more work than what I've already recommended. How much experience with JS do you have?

[toxic spoke]

plenty

i'm a web dev by trade

Initially, i could make it where it's not really constrained by what's possible, but I dislike that idea even more, and I still need a way to scrape the image of the item

[random quarry]

cool, well if you decide to go the parsing route, something like parsimmon would make it really easy.
https://github.com/jneen/parsimmon

[toxic spoke]

so basically you could freeform text enter what mods you want on the item

[random quarry]

if you were to build a parser or something you'd end up with all the base & unique item names and I'd imagine they'd be pretty easy to source images from GGG's CDN, there's a pattern to it:
https://web.poecdn.com/image/Art/2DItems/Weapons/OneHandWeapons/Scepters/Baelfire.png

[toxic spoke]

ah that's helpful

then i'd want to be able to display any mods on the unique items but that's another pickle to tickle

[cosmic saffron]

you can scrape and jsonify the markup from the wiki page

and then see how they map the modifiers

[toxic spoke]

i don't want to scrape the wiki if i don't have to, unless i can do it slowly, all in one pass, and store it locally as json

i'm not gonna say "i'm definitely gonna get a ton of traffic" but if I pull this off, the thing I'm building could be as popular as poe.ninja or poe.trade

could be.

it's definitely filling a void in PoE community content

[celest wasp]

@toxic spoke you want this?

[random quarry]

that data in JSON I believe

[celest wasp]

If you're trying to display it, https://github.com/duiker101/poekit-rack is what I used as a baseline and heavily modified; it uses some funky templating language.

You want items as json to display or... not sure what you're asking for

[random quarry]

@toxic spoke if you do decide to go the route of parsing something like the lua from POB, this is a simple way to build a parser with just basic ramda functions. You just build one extractor for each property you'd like to capture and that's all there is to it. I use this pattern a lot at work and it lends itself to stuff like this pretty well
https://pastebin.com/33Uf8s2i

rawData is just an excerpt from one of the base data files

[celest wasp]

Alternatively, the approach I'd use is to use the stash api to build a corpus you can generate ranges from, assuming you want per-base/unique.

Unrelated: css grid is bloody amazing

[cosmic saffron]

(don't tell anybody it's literally tables under the hood)

[celest wasp]

I have no idea what you're talking about

no one could ever mistake that for tables

[toxic spoke]

@celest wasp wow that may be literally exactly what I need

Especially since I use Vue haha

May have some a big problem for me!

[celest wasp]

Are you using typescript?

[toxic spoke]

No

[celest wasp]

hmmm

[toxic spoke]

May have solved*

[celest wasp]

I have it converted from their fucky templating to my fucky data format if you want the code lol

[toxic spoke]

I'd appreciate any resources!

[celest wasp]

I'll dm you

[obtuse citrus]

just use the cargo api on the wiki if you want any data on the unique items

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki:Data_query_API

[south quarry]

aw man, I just realize crafting is going to be reworked

are all the crafted mods in the game gonna be the same? aaaaaaaaaa

[languid tulip]

from what ive heard they reviewed them individually to determine if they were essential or good etc. have to wait to see what doesnt make it

[obtuse citrus]

The way the game is going... more powercreep 😛

[south quarry]

I realized you can find all the queries for https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/

like the crafted mod names are really weird and just numbers

https://pathofexile.com/api/trade/search/Standard?redirect&source={"query":{"status":{"option":"online"},"stats":[{"type":"and","filters":[{"id":"crafted.stat_4220027924","disabled":false}],"disabled":false}]},"sort":{"price":"asc"}}

like this says crafted.stat_4220027924

you can open the network tab and check the headers of the request payload when you send it and the query is there, so you can find all the weird names and how it works

🤔

[jaunty niche]

what are the chances anyone here knows how to compile PoB lol

i'm not super familiar with lua so and am on a windows machine

i just wanted to push the update to CoC to my local copy of PoB, but the resources aren't directly available, so i downloaded the source and modified the CD on the skill easily enough

just don't know how to make the executible

[deft jolt]

might be possible with luarocks?

haven't tried it though

[toxic spoke]

so i'm lookin gat the component that @celest wasp posted yesterday, and it's expecting item data in this format: https://github.com/duiker101/poekit-rack/blob/master/test/test_data.json

i assume this is from the public stash api?

i might just fork it and try to adapt it to the path of building/poe trade macro style

[primal niche]

I just made program that gives you list of random unique items to use for a build. whole gear set + 0-5 flasks, 0-5 jewels and 0-2 rings

Would anyone be interested in that ? I could probably upload it

[grand prawn]

Why not just add 240% CD recovery to an item as a temporary thing?

@jaunty niche

[jaunty niche]

OH good call thanks

[silent vapor]

@jaunty niche https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md shows how to run a local dev copy. No need to recompile.

[celest wasp]

@toxic spoke https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API#items basically this

so, yes, public stash

[golden thunder]

About this, will the https://web.poecdn.com/image/Art/2DArt/Atlas/Atlas.png be updated soon ? I'm working on an app that rely heavily on the Atlas. Would be nice to have the new one for the release.

[obsidian lark]

@golden thunder Isn't the new one posted on reddit? i think i saw it on there.

This is the one i saw, it's not the same but maybe it'll help in the development? https://web.poecdn.com/public/news/2018-11-29/AtlasComplete350Demo.jpg

[golden thunder]

@obsidian lark it is not the plain one, the map icons are already there, there's a shaper area in the bottom left and the size is not the same :/ But yeah, pretty close to what I need, will fallback to it if I can't get a better one 😃

[toxic spoke]

okay i'm getting closer to finishing up what i've been working on. what i need now is a way to get the cdn image for a given item

it comes back in the stash tab api but i'm not using that

what'd be great is if there was some big json file out there with like [ { item name: image path } ]

[deft jolt]

https://api.poe.watch/itemdata ?

[toxic spoke]

that might be exactly what i need lol

[deft jolt]

also repoe might have it as well

[toxic spoke]

gah perfect

you are so clutch

comin through for me

thank you

[deft jolt]

np 😃

[toxic spoke]

okay i think my last big hurdle is going to be 'what mods are available for this item/item base'

and an interesting combo with 'what mods are on it by default'

possibly i could do it in reverse from mods.json in that repoe

hmm not really

[toxic spoke]

anyone know where Path of Building gets it's 'item potential' data

like what sockets/mods it can have

[stuck reef]

Speaking of PoB questions, is there some way to show un-roundeed calcs for say, in my specific case stun threshold? or is it rounding things in the same way the game does and I've hit some sort of fundimental limit?

[toxic spoke]

this is the beginnings of an item api i'm working on... will hopefully be able to stitch together many sources of data and give it all in one place

[toxic spoke]

https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/Data/3_0/Rares.lua is this where it's coming from? so confused

https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/blob/master/Classes/Item.lua maybe here, but i don't know lua that well

[torpid mesa]

@compact isle that prob should have been in tool dev or something lol

[toxic spoke]

@obtuse citrus is it possible using the cargo api to get a list of mods that can roll on a given item base? what i'm seeing is it probably just has the implicits that come on those bases by default, not what i'm looking for.

[compact isle]

oh I'm just blind sigh

[torpid mesa]

you just posted it in major news lol

[compact isle]

@polar island still waiting on things to be finalised, will probably make the post with info early next week

my bad

it's been one of those weeks

[torpid mesa]

no worries

[remote yoke]

Pre-launch week.

[compact isle]

I legitimately thought we had two more weeks

[obtuse citrus]

@toxic spoke not any better then what the gamedata would provide

[toxic spoke]

@forest sluice elaborate on gamedata?

i'm new to tooldev

so i'm not sure where i should be looking for this

hm https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/List_of_one-handed_axe_modifiers this info must come from somewhere

[obtuse citrus]

Mods.dat in content.ggpk ... mod data on the wiki isn't really much diffrent, just simplied (which is where that info comes from).

[toxic spoke]

i might just scrape those wiki pages once over and record it

hm i could use pypoe for this it hink

or wait, pypoe generates all the stuff in repoe so it should be there. sorry to be spamming the channel recently, jus texcited and making good progress

[noble siren]

will the list of veiled mods be available some where? There is a complied information reddit post, while the mods are all in pictures and potentially not complete.

[velvet fog]

https://redd.it/9wth81 this is all we known

the completed veiled list may inside torrent, if they didn't delete it from torrent again

hope they won't delete BaseItemTypes.dat this time, the release time is 4 am here

[noble siren]

Thanks @velvet fog. That's the reddit post. What is the BaseItemTypes.dat file in torrent? I am not aware of it 😦

[velvet fog]

they removed all league related items from torrent to prevent data mining before lanuch

[velvet fog]

tencent will provide poe.ninja official chinese version in next patch

[deft jolt]

Collaborating with @fickle yew ?

[fickle yew]

No. They did send me a weird thank you for making the site mail though.

[deft jolt]

Lol

[limpid helm]

Is it ok to download images from the CDN and distribute them in your own source?

[deft jolt]

Are you going to ditch your port chuanhsing? You were making a chinese version as well if my memory serves me correctly

@limpid helm do you mean in a legal manner or?

[limpid helm]

yeah pretty much.

like is GGG gonna email me about having their images in a github repo

cause I want access to those images offline

[deft jolt]

then have you taken a look at the tos?

https://www.pathofexile.com/legal/terms-of-use-and-privacy-policy

[limpid helm]

ty

The art that PoB uses for the skill tree doesn't contravene clause 6. Licence? Since distributing software is pretty much not for personal use?

[timid hemlock]

I'd think that if they (we? now, I guess) had a problem with that then they wouldn't have hired me 😉

[limpid helm]

😃 ok. ty

[grave wren]

Schrödinger's openarl

[chrome topaz]

maybe they're playing the long con

by giving you money they're actually tricking you into improving the game

[fickle yew]

@timid hemlock gz on the promotion to red 😃

[timid hemlock]

Thanks 😃

[slow forge]

You probs were asked this already, but can we expect update pre league as usual or you gonna be too busy?

[timid hemlock]

I'm hoping to update as usual, but I can't really be certain about timing

[slow forge]

[velvet fog]

will chris remove BaseItemTypes in .torrent?

[mortal bone]

I asked explicit permission to use their assets. They will typically say yes

[steep latch]

is there somewhere to download passive tree node data that is an official source?

[winter fossil]

there you go: http://webcdn.pathofexile.com/public/news/Bex/PassiveSkillTree_340.zip

[steep latch]

oh nice, they haven't revealed the new one coming, right?

[winter fossil]

not what I know, in any case they will reveal it in the coming week

[steep latch]

anyone interested in helping or pointing me towards something to help mapping the official skill tree url back to node effects?

[grave wren]

looks like this in python: https://github.com/FWidm/poe-profile/blob/master/src/util/tree_codec.py

[steep latch]

ah, sweet. that looks like a wonderful starting point, thanks.

[grave wren]

👌

[steep latch]

My discord bot will now take in a PoE passive tree uri and respond with which class that is 😃

next up, allowing queries around specific stats given in that passive uri

[pseudo ocean]

Is there any tool that fetches lab compass files daily?

[toxic spoke]

are width and height of an item determined by it's group? are all one handed swords 1x3?

how can one programmatically tell if an item is 1x3 or 2x2

[slow forge]

There are one handers which are 2x3 too though

[deft jolt]

There's some variance

Eg ephemeral edge

Easiest eould be through its icon maybe?

Depends what's your data source

[toxic spoke]

ah the cargo api has this

nice, it's in my api 😄

cargo api is useful now that i have a feeling for how to get around it

[steep latch]

what cargo api?

[toxic spoke]

https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Path_of_Exile_Wiki:Data_query_API

[mortal bone]

https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE/tree/master/data

if you prefer json data

[candid linden]

can games be ported into other engines

example can a game made in source be ported to unity

[grave wren]

Would be more akin to a rewrite

[mellow hearth]

If both engines use same languages and format it could be done but can't say for sure

But a converter is already present then u can

[hazy fog]

porting a game would be more like keeping the logic for how a game plays and rewriting the entire thing with that logic in the new engine

[simple ravine]

how much does game developers "adhere" to SOLID principles, such as SRP?

I guess that would be very generalizing, but I am assuming due to performance optimizations, you don't as much as with "regular" software

[worthy cape]

I'm of the impression that it's more "that'll do" and "get shit done".

[wind ivy]

does this server have a [[The Poet's Pen]] style bot?

[simple ravine]

what's that

[wind ivy]

guess the lack of response answers that 😄

[grave wren]

Wiki bot i'd guess nope

[wind ivy]

yeah wiki one like the reddit one

would that be valued? working on one atm and it's pretty close to donezo

[jade adder]

We’ve discussed it before and determined it would be a bit too spammy for us

[wind ivy]

reasonable, ty for response

[celest wasp]

WIP; no more vertical timeline, we're animated
https://gfycat.com/ScornfulMajorBubblefish

oh no, I didn't realize that'd play inline D:

ah, anyway, thoughts?