yes
#tooldev-general
pulsar moat
did he specifically say someone DM'd him from an indexer? maybe he spammed in trade chat?
pulsar moat
hmm but the difference was large enough he entirely sold it between 1 and 3
wind garden
yes
similarly, there was another guy that sold a headhunter for 10ex right after that
i have less reason to believe that guy
but similar experience
he said he sold it a minute earlier
chrome topaz
what's the problem?
chrome topaz
yeah, your question
bronze jetty
somehow I got uint8 with value 43 in my code and vs debugger says its unsigned char "+"
chrome topaz
that makes sense
bronze jetty
and now I think that ignores my if checks
chrome topaz
43 or '+' are the ~same thing as far as the language is concerned
if your debugger's misbehaving, you could probably change its output format somewhere
bronze jetty
probably that its not my problem then, well looking what else can be wrong ๐
gritty olive
@slow forge what @void blade said is correct, the api does not support map tab currently ๐ฆ
slow forge
Damnit, well thanks for answering anyway
grave wren
๐ฆ
feelsbadman
would it be possible to support other paste services in future in PoB?
grave wren
Opened an issue, if anyone has some input feel free: https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/issues/969
simple ravine
github gists, hastebin
grave wren
gists cant be anon anymore
not sure if thats viable for normal endusers
wait no i said that wrong
gists cannot be from unregistered users anymore
is the right thing to say
simple ravine
I'll write something up for it, hold my beer
simple ravine
crowd problem solving, love it ๐
i wanna build something with .net core 2.1 preview 2 tho
grave wren
always bleeding edge ๐ฎ
simple ravine
it comes with a cup of frustration served with no sugar
simple ravine
but it's cool
pallid pebble
yeah also kinda interested in net core ๐ never had anything to do with asp.net tho
simple ravine
they rewrote .net core's socket implementation and a bunch of other stuff in .net core 2.1 preview 2
and some super sweet thing called Span<T> which is a stack-only value type, which is as close to native speed as u can possibly get
pallid pebble
hmm is there a way to change vs2017 installation to preview or it installs side by side to my current installation?
grave wren
super sanic stacks
simple ravine
i see wat you did there
pallid pebble
puke, enough bloat with one ๐
grave wren
but honestly i think it'd be neat to have an own service for pob pastebins
pallid pebble
simple ravine
and have no need to import/export
simple ravine
yeah, i had a chat with rasmuskl, he mentioned it
pallid pebble
yup none of current web builders are as complex
simple ravine
I'm 100% confident it's possible to get it working well
grave wren
looks fairly straight forward
just didnt get around to setup a lua env yet
grim dawn has a pretty nifty web tool
simple ravine
webasm and webgl
simple ravine
but that was based on the desktop version of pob
i would probably prefer to do it from scratch
simple ravine
๐
grave wren
xyzs repo looks interesting enough to look into
simple ravine
what is that
winter fossil
You know the mobile thingy I linked a while ago, just some slow progress on it
Slowly getting to some form of 1.0 release...
simple ravine
i mean, what is the scope of it
winter fossil
The scope of it? Like build upon?
simple ravine
what will it actually do, other than show a tree
winter fossil
1.0 is only going to be a tree planner that works on desktop and mobile.
Futher releases are planned to have character profile with item & skill gems.
And if I bother, dps calculations.
simple ravine
yeah, if i were to do this, and feel it having some kind of meaningful impact, i would want to provide the full thing
close to what PoB does
winter fossil
Yeah, time is the only problem tho
simple ravine
indeed
winter fossil
I've stated it before, it's not about making a new replacer for existing planners. I only want a good hobby project.
But I still want to release it ๐
grave wren
doing a skilltree for chronicon :p
torpid mesa
would you get a js lua interp or would you have to redo all the damage math too
simple ravine
personally, i would redo the math too, as Openarl pointed out as well, that his logic is a bit too tightly coupled with the interface itself
unique bone
it be cool to have a tool that told you exactly what stats change if you equip something
winter fossil
If I ever do the damage part, it's going to be from scratch
fickle yew
The damage part is painful ๐
(source: doing it right now)
also fun and challenging though
chrome topaz
@gritty olive that's pretty much how my pob-web works now too but I'm wondering if translating lua to js would be way faster
simple ravine
no double-jit, plus modern hardware have hardware javascript accelerated using special instructions
grave wren
Hm would be great if we could manage to produce one solution that is also publicly available instead of having multiple calc engines to do the same thing (better) PoB already does ๐
simple ravine
I vote for a C# one, .net standard 2.0
grave wren
I honestly don't mind, I'd just like to see one usable solution instead of having 10 in 10 languages :p
simple ravine
I would ignore the shit out of specres though, that stuff sounds complex
grave wren
but you have to support my EA poison build
:p
i think the most complex thing would be volkuurs ele to poison conversion
if we had spectre data it'd not be a huge problem
simple ravine
pull requests welcome ๐
maybe I'll start something this weekend... I am still overdue on the PoeSharp library
i just suck at completion I guess
grave wren
who doesnt
Have to get into c# first but i guess the jump shouldnt be too huge with java knowledge and a bit of basic c#
simple ravine
I have a feeling in my gut that Microsoft will unveil something about desktop application development with .net core at Build in May
merely because it's frigging overdue
winter fossil
Still going to want mine in js, not going to want to serve something like that in backend
grave wren
I am still not too fond of ts/js
npm is a mess i dont even try to understand
and adding packages is also annoying if you have to guess whether they work for your framework
doing the skilltree for another game in angular
and just getting a lib for angular2+ and not angular was a shitty experience for me
winter fossil
Yeah, it's kinda a mess until you get familiar with it.
grave wren
for example using webstorm
i get weird issues with es7 features not being recognized
and everything the web offers me doesnt fix the issues
Object.values() for example is recognized as an error by webstorm
winter fossil
the easiest to go in that case is to remake all the individual components in a new "good" boilerplateish environment.
since you're using angular, install angular-cli and start a new project from it imo
grave wren
Hm i suspect it's an issue with my ts distri or webstorm because it works on the site
but the IDE doesnt recognize the methods
a similar issue was for filter on a string array i think, in general ES7 features seem to be bugged. May have to reinstall everything sometime
simple ravine
Visual Studio 2017 knows all the ES
so does VS Code
including ESX and all that crap
grave wren
webstorm apparently does too but i seem to have weird issues with it
winter fossil
Sounds like the problem is configs and not IDEs
grave wren
well most issues i found said to update TS and define the correct lib in tsconfig.json
did both,
"lib": [
"es2017",
"dom"
]
Do you have it up on github?
grave wren
bit ahead locally and it's messy ๐
just spotted "target": "es5",
maybe that's the issue?
grave wren
sure would be nice
newer es7 features look like they'd save quite some work
or rather "new"
๐
chrome topaz
grave wren
exactly
old heath
Bug in PoB? Life nodes aren't highlighted when searching "life"
Actually a lot of nodes that grant % maximum life, don't show up
Oh
grave wren
works fine on my machine
old heath
I had a blank character
Apparently
Deleting it and retyping worked
I guess I did something ๐ค
Well, I'm just an idiot, so ignore ๐
old heath
So I figured it out, yea. I had accidentally put a space at the end
more than once apparently.
grave wren
Quick question about decoding an URL into the hashes from the tree; First 4 bytes: version, 2 Bytes: Char, 2B: Ascendency, 2B: Fullscreen, N*2 Byte: Hash-Integers do i just fill out the last bytes if i get an uneven amount of bytes in the end?
currently trying it with the following url: AAAABAMDAQQHBLMGSQj0Dc0OPA5cES0UIBRxFScWbxhWGF0YkRo4HM4c3CSqJy8o
nvm. didnt copy the full url ๐
works
old heath
lol
wind garden
dang this is the 2nd time this has happened
poe.ninja somehow caches stale data
was sayingDaresso's Salute was worth 4ex
instead of 19c
did a shift+reload of the page
and now it's back down to 19c
slow forge
Does Cured Quiver base even exist?
slow forge
Oh, guess that explains why I never seen one drop
grave wren
@fickle yew any chance we could have trap and mine support on poe.ninja builds as skill filter?
fickle yew
yes
was planning on adding a mode that could be totem, mine, trap or character / normal
grave wren
awesome
gritty olive
I pushed up a preview release on github
gritty olive
๐ I was wondering what logged out looked like ๐
Oh now I see where his comment came from
gritty olive
slow forge
I'd say that considering the quantity value is already displayed in it's own column, there should be no need to have the number on the currency icon and besides, it's nearly invisible
deft jolt
It'd probably be better for you to open an issue on github
slow forge
Probably, need to cerate a new account though, since I haven't used the service in ages 
Ok, opened the issue
deft jolt
๐
gritty olive
Thanks @slow forge, found the issue, was due to my overly aggressive "confidence" checks
Ninja includes a count for uniques but not other items it seems
slow forge
Nice 
grave wren
Broad question but is any tool currently available to track the general prices of enchants on any helmets? min,avg,max would be interesting
i'd be interested in the price decay of them in general
fnm repeat for example
gritty olive
There is a buy sell site for them forgot the name tho
grave wren
interesting, i'll post it here if i stumble upon it ๐
deft jolt
could add them as an option to my api
prices seem to wary a lot though
so i'm not sure how accurate it will be
gritty olive
99th percentiles
grave wren
would be great
median,avg,min,max basically is all i care for
plus how it changes over the league
what could work too would be filtering out non uniques
as they should divert the price a lot
deft jolt
min/max is not possible with my current setup
this is the kind of data i can provide
{
"mean": 3050.4,
"median": 1426.0,
"mode": 2281.6,
"count": 4,
"quantity": 0,
"frame": -1,
"index": "09b3-00",
"specificKey": "enchantments:helmet|Tornado Shot fires # additional secondary Projectiles|-1|var:2",
"genericKey": "Tornado Shot fires # additional secondary Projectiles",
"parent": "enchantments",
"child": "helmet",
"name": "Tornado Shot fires # additional secondary Projectiles",
"var": "2",
"history": {
"spark": [],
"mean": [],
"median": [],
"mode": [],
"quantity": [],
"change": 0.0
}
}
that's nice enough for me ๐ฎ
slow forge
Is there any way to find out what average mob HP is per level?
deft jolt
poedb has some data on it
gritty olive
@deft jolt where is that API at? I could create a variant for enchantments for Currency Cop
deft jolt
it's still in development
but it's available here http://api.poe-stats.com/get?league=bestiary&category=enchantments
gritty olive
What does quantity stand for?
deft jolt
note that i deployed it literally 10 minutes ago so there's no data there yet
avg listed per 24h
gritty olive
Quantity / Var / Frame are the only confusing numbers to me
deft jolt
quantity is the mean value of history:quantity
frame is just the frametype
-1 for enchants cause yeah, they don't exactly have a frametype
var specifies the variant of the item, i.e "spells"/"attacks" for vinktar
for enchantments it's the value of the enchant
gritty olive
Gotcha, it would be nice to know a more granular breakdown ๐ค
deft jolt
haven't really bothered writing it down that much
gritty olive
Not sure I can use the api except like "w/ enchant could be this amount but depends on item"
deft jolt
there's some data here http://poe-stats.com/api
will do proper documentation once i actually release it
gritty olive
Cool, I might make it an option in CC to swap between ninja and stats
Hm, looks like your stats are powered by ninja ๐ค is that long term or just short term?
slow forge
@gritty olive Aight, issue posted up
gritty olive
Oh I see it's just for older leagues
gritty olive
Thanks for the heads up @slow forge ๐
At work right now so will check in a bit
Well, I read the issue, wondering what it could be ๐ค maybe the case fall through isn't properly falling through
slow forge
On a different note, update on save works properly
It's weird though that offerings and stuff got fixed, however essences are still bugged
gritty olive
Yeah, especially considering that essences are in the prices list because I definitely checked for them
simple ravine
In translations / stat descriptions, there are extra arguments called 'canonical_line' and 'canonical_stat'... does anybody know what those mean?
namely:
description
2 base_chance_to_freeze_% always_freeze
3
# 1|# "Always Freezes Enemies on Hit" reminderstring ReminderTextFreeze
100|# 0 "Always Freeze" reminderstring ReminderTextFreeze
1|99 0 "%1%%% chance to Freeze" canonical_line canonical_stat 0 reminderstring ReminderTextFreeze
compact isle
it's stuff for the trade site, to determine which stat description should be displayed in the stat dropdown
feel free to ignore it
simple ravine
Ah, makes sense, thanks!
The attribute after canonical_stat is 0 in this case, do you know what that means - just in case I would be interested in using it for similar things ๐
First I was thinking it was the index of stat to use (which I feel it could be anyhow), however seeing negate 1 uses a 1 as the first element.
compact isle
most descriptions that have multiple stats are for things like min/max, so the trade site by default will take the average of the stats for things like sorting purposes
canonical stat means take that stat index as the thing to sort by instead
simple ravine
Ah, so 0 denotes the average of the values perhaps?
compact isle
0 means the use the first stat, which in the case you linked above is "base_chance_to_freeze_%"
it can only either take averages of all or just the value of one stat, there are no other operations
velvet fog
it got 2 params, just use first(0) for sorting
simple ravine
That leads me back to negate 1 which seems to be indicating to use the first value as well for that operation; like so:
1 physical_damage_+%
2
1|# "%1%%% increased Global Physical Damage"
#|-1 "%1%%% reduced Global Physical Damage" negate 1```right, canonical_stat is 0-indexed and all other functions are 1-indexed
because why not
ugh that's going to bother me now
compact isle
I'll update it to be 1-indexed but no idea when it will reach the client
probably 3.3.0
in case you do happen to use it
velvet fog
any api improvements?
compact isle
depends on what you mean by improvements
velvet fog
like oauth
simple ravine
oh shoot, i totally forgot to send those json recommendations Novynn
simple ravine
I tested the OAuth btw, it works well... not sure if you looked into the auto-redirect-if-already-accepted thing, but works well other than that
we haven't gone live yet, as we're pushing for a couple of more features and will probably do so in conjunction with the next challenge league
compact isle
oh, that is the only stat description that uses canonical_stat ๐
velvet fog
seems the only place by grep *.txt
simple ravine
I started playing around with parser combinators again
they're fun... I made one for .ot files and for stat description files
Looks something like this: https://gist.github.com/andreandersen/a2c5fbaf8d8b649025e1ea9311acf27b
compact isle
you probably know more about them than I do now haha
so many files I have no idea what they do
oh yeah I have to check that OAuth redirect thing...
simple ravine
I think I decided to have our ... canonical ... account, and then have the option to link PoE account, as we might want to also link with other services such as Twitch, Discord etc in the future
compact isle
seems fair
velvet fog
.act = Actor, UCS-2 plain
.ais = AI Script, UCS-2 plain
.amd = Animated Meta Data, UCS-2 plain
.ao = Animated Object, UCS-2 plain
.aoc = Animated Object Controller, UCS-2 plain
.arm = Rooms, UCS-2 plain
.ast = Skeleton, Binary
.bank = FMOD Sound Bank, Binary
.bk2 = Bink Video, Binary
.cht = Chest Data, UCS-2 plain
.dat = Game Data
.dat64 = Game Data 64bits
.dds = Texture, brotli compress or soft link
.ddt = Doodads, UCS-2 plain
.dlp = Doodads, UCS-2 plain
.dgr = Digital Graph Document, UCS-2 plain
.env = Environments, UCS-2 plain
.filter = Loot Filter, UTF-8
.ffx = FFX Render, UCS-2 plain
.fx = Shader, Ascii
.gm = Grandmaster, Binary
.gt = Ground Types, UCS-2 plain
.hlsl = Shader, Ascii
.mat = Material, UCS-2 plain
.ogg = Digital Multimedia, Binary
.ot = Object Type, UCS-2 plain
.otc = Object Type Codes, UCS-2 plain
.pet = Particle Effect, Binary
.pjd = Passive Jewel Data, Binary
.psg = Passive Skill Graphic, Binary
.rs = Room Set, UCS-2 plain
.sm = Skin Mesh, UCS-2 plain
.smd = Skin Mesh Data, binary
.spritefont = Raster Font Data, Binary
.tgt = Tile Group, UCS-2 plain
.txt = Text, UCS-2 plain
.ui = User Interface, UCS-2 plain
divide_by_twenty_then_double_0dp ... really?
compact isle
retroactive stat value changes are a pain ๐
simple ravine
why not just divide_by_ten_0dp
compact isle
rounding
simple ravine
so... public decimal Handle(decimal value) => Math.Round(value / 20, 0) * 2;
with other words?
compact isle
yep
simple ravine
@compact isle not sure if this is an error in my stats_description file, or if it's something odd going on:
divide_by_one_hundred 2reminderstring ReminderTextLifeLeech on While your Passive Skill Tree connects to the Duelist's starting location, you gain:\n%2%%% of Attack Damage Leeched as Life
see the 2 and reminderstring doesn't have a space
compact isle
yeah we pull things out using a stringstream there so it pulls out the int just fine
simple ravine
stringstream? o.O
compact isle
a c++ thing
fickle yew
@gritty olive The data from ninja should have counts on all the overviews.. Not just uniques?
velvet fog
divide_by_one_hundred 2reminderstring ReminderTextLifeLeech
I just hardcode
$suf = str_replace("divide_by_one_hundred 2reminderstring", "divide_by_one_hundred 2 reminderstring", $suf);
so sad
elseif ($transformation == "divide_by_twenty_then_double_0dp") {
$e = 'round($v * 2 / 20)';
}
ouch
grave wren
*10 would be too high tech :D?
grave wren
@velvet fog http://poedb.tw/us/mon.php?n=The+Shaper < is beam really dealing all elemental types as dmg :o?
also your dmg parsing seems to fail at the lightning part
simple ravine
@velvet fog have you found any other anomalies than that one?
velvet fog
Array
(
[0] => 60%_of_value
[1] => canonical_stat
[2] => deciseconds_to_seconds
[3] => divide_by_fifteen_0dp
[4] => divide_by_one_hundred
[5] => divide_by_one_hundred_2dp
[6] => divide_by_one_hundred_and_negate
[7] => divide_by_ten_0dp
[8] => divide_by_twenty_then_double_0dp
[9] => divide_by_two_0dp
[10] => milliseconds_to_seconds
[11] => milliseconds_to_seconds_0dp
[12] => milliseconds_to_seconds_2dp
[13] => mod_value_to_item_class
[14] => multiplicative_damage_modifier
[15] => multiplicative_permyriad_damage_modifier
[16] => negate
[17] => old_leech_percent
[18] => old_leech_permyriad
[19] => per_minute_to_per_second
[20] => per_minute_to_per_second_0dp
[21] => per_minute_to_per_second_2dp
[22] => per_minute_to_per_second_2dp_if_required
[23] => reminderstring
)
this is my parsing result, seems fine without error
slow forge
grave wren
it's the best tabula
slow forge
Non-corrupted, non-quality
grave wren
@timid hemlock sorry to bother you here too, did you see my request for adding in another option besides pastebin for sharing builds?
obtuse citrus
not 333ex? I am disappointed
timid hemlock
Yup
Haven't had time to look into it much
I did consider other options when adding Pastebin support
grave wren
awesome, i didnt find out much more about ptpb unfortunately
timid hemlock
But Pastebin is really the only well-established paste service
grave wren
Hm yep that is true
the main issue is the paste limit imo
if you help people here you're pretty easily at the 10 pastes/d
i'd also not replace it, just maybe add support to fetch from another service in the import dialogue
timid hemlock
I definitely won't replace Pastebin entirely
grave wren
currently also do not have the time to get into POB's lua to make a pull request :/
I just stumbled upon one more service but have no experience with it yet: https://privatebin.net/
offers never expiring pastes
chrome topaz
it expires when the service closes down
chrome topaz
once i figure how to monetize it. maybe pastebin service where you have to mine cryptocurrency to create/view pastes?
deft jolt
manually calculate crypto hashes 
gritty olive
Why not gist?
chrome topaz
they removed anonymous gists a month ago
grave wren
yep that was my first thought as well
But monetization is an issue, that is true
premium preview service :p
chrome topaz
that was kind of my idea with web-based pob anyway, to have easily share-able links
civic yew
PrivateBin is just ZeroBin, but better IMO
gritty olive
https://ghostbin.com/ says they live forever
civic yew
That looks interesting, I like the design and it's super clean. Reminds me of a Hastebin in a different style.
compact isle
Disk failure is always fun
remote yoke
Poeapp is super borked on (my install of) Firefox now. Not sure what changed, but it throws out an error no matter what or where I search.
remote yoke
Yeah it seems to have messed up just today. Before today the pricing looked fine.
fickle yew
@wind garden hm looks like it's back to normal now. Wonder if anyone was manipulating it.
simple ravine
pob-on-distributed-blockchain-ledger .xyz ๐
cosmic saffron
yeah but ours has nitro so he's #0001
zealous bronze
is a dev here?
chrome topaz
a dev of what?
zealous bronze
poe
chrome topaz
no, this channel is for third-party tool development
zealous bronze
kk ty
compact isle
there can be only one
our postgres master for the trade site died yesterday due to disk failure
which just so happened to be right after we migrated to a new system for the account online information so it hit xyz and poeapp guy at the same time ๐ฆ
grave wren
๐ฎ rip
compact isle
also happens to be the day I was away on vacation ๐
low linden
So idk if this'd be the right place to ask, anyways. I was looking through the assets, and I cannot find, if it exists, the asset for the 'grinding gears' loading screen animation
velvet fog
@low linden open Content.ggpk, maybe
Art/Videos/Loading.bk2
Art/Videos/GGG.bk2
low linden
Ahh, videos doesn't display in the tree view as a tree item that has any sub items
just a single node by itself
When i try to export the Video node it tells me "there isn't enough room on the disk", which cannot be, because I have 480gb free
Wrong disk lol
But what am i to do with a .bk2 file @velvet fog
Just find a converter or extractor i assume?
velvet fog
.bk2 is Bink Video http://www.radgametools.com/bnkdown.htm
chrome topaz
ffmpeg has support for bink video (at least for bink video circa 2002)
low linden
Now, only need to force it to convert to gif <-<
chrome topaz
well you can do that but it's really bad idea
low linden
yeah, i see it never works for me
chrome topaz
it irks me so much when people spend time&energy to take a 10s mp4, convert it into a 500MB gif, upload it to imgur, only to have imgur convert it back into a video, and finally post on reddit or whatever
low linden
<-<
grave wren
gfycat it!
chrome topaz
which is what?
low linden
well, i need it as a gif, for a loading anim gif
chrome topaz
how many frames?
chrome topaz
is it for your own website?
low linden
not a web site, just a concept of something i am doing for the fun of it
chrome topaz
what I mean is I don't see how it being a loading indicator makes it not possible to use a video, unless it's something like a custom reddit theme which only lets you use <img> tags or something along the lines
low linden
The avi is 100mb
I cannot use a video of it
I need a cut down, looped gif
b/c that's way easier than handling a video
chrome topaz
yeah. sure
mortal bone
mp4 is much easier to handle lol browsers now have some pretty good controls, and they are generally faster to load than gifs
simple ravine
WebP / VP9, come on it's 2018
chrome topaz
who needs hw acceleration anyway amirite?
pseudo ocean
Does anyone know if (and how) GDPR affects fetching data via the poe ladder api, storing it and figuring out xp times for characters? in the way that the old poe statistics did
hazy fog
@fickle yew Why isn't there a reset all filters button on /builds ?
grave wren
additionally, would you be able to filter out ssf migrators? The fact that some few sub 93 chars are on confuses some animals on this discord!
hazy fog
not this animal tho
fickle yew
@grave wren I thought I had already gotten rid of those.. Hm
fickle yew
Yeah it used to be quite a few.
I do have a 7 day grace period if I can't index them on the ladder.
But maybe I switch the league first.
grave wren
ah
fickle yew
I'll take a look when I'm done with the small stuff I'm working on for the economy section.
grave wren
thanks!
fickle yew
@hazy fog Where'd you put the reset button? I miss it somewhat myself sometimes.
hazy fog
maybe just
grave wren
but cant you just click bestiary to reset either way?
grave wren
oh
hazy fog
also clicking that doesn't remove filters
I just clicked it a bunch and still had farrul's fur selected
grave wren
< not so gud with uis apparently
fickle yew
You can't get everything anymore ๐
It's separated by league
What you can do is hit "Go to Economy" twice
that resets it
grave wren
but can we get an everything button again ๐ฎ
grave wren
Mostly to find interesting builds with specific items
or in general how do people build skill x
for example if i look up siege ballista i dont get too many bsc builds
so i'd want to check all leagues either way
fickle yew
I might bring it back at some point, but right now I'm working on something you'll hopefully like more ๐
cosmic saffron
where's the "reset economy" button
tacit mango
anyone got a complete list of items that cannot drop while mapping? e.g. atziris/shaper/elder, prophecy, breach upgrade ....
jade adder
@tacit mango https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Drop-restricted_item#League-specific_items is a good start
grave wren
@fickle yew i've found another issue with grand spectrums, if you click on the viridian one it doesnt forward the setting to poe.trade
e.g. it just filters for grand spectrum but doesnt set the type
not sure if you have another place to report this stuff
fickle yew
@grave wren Right. I just fixed 5- and 6 link links yesterday, will take a look at Grand Spectrums as well
(not deployed yet though)
grave wren
awesome ty
fickle yew
also changing so the sparklines and history graphs respect (remove) low confidence data points
they look a lot better with that
grave wren
nice
slow forge
fickle yew
You noticed that quite fast ๐
@grave wren Grand Spectrum fix is online now, might be a while before caches clear.
slow forge
@fickle yew On a different note, Unique Weapons page looks bricked
slow forge
Nvm, just ctrl=f5 'ed and it's fixed
slow forge
Also I assume Helm Enchants only being visible from Unique Armor and Skill Gems is intended design?
fickle yew
It should be available everywhere as soon as caches clean out ๐
fickle yew
๐
slow forge
And I suppose it's gonna take some time to query data for enchants
fickle yew
Should see reasonable data within an hour or so based on my staging environment.
slow forge
Nice. Thanks for all the work you put in
deft jolt
Oh nice, you added enchants ๐
fickle yew
Yeah had requests for them forever, so thought I might as well. The data is a bit unstable though due to shifting bases and qualities of items.
Getting them matched up with proper icons was most of the work ๐
fickle yew
Yeah it looks reasonable.
Either way it's a good indication of which ones are valuable even if the price isn't completely exact.
deft jolt
aye
still, those icons look like a lot of work
is there any known list of parameters that web.poecdn.com accepts?
similar how specifying relic=1 will change the icon to a relic's look
grave wren
I still think the worth of enchants can be pretty much predicted by only looking at non unique based for the most part.
Maybe a repo for the request params might be nice. I think one exists already so expanding that one should be great.
deft jolt
Not sure, rares can be a lot more expensive than for example devoto's or starkonja's
grave wren
Hm yes but the price should be less spiky
You don't want volatile dead on abyssus for example but any rare helmet is fine
But on indigon would probably way too expensive
Same for fnm repeats useless on most unique items but oh boy would it be good on specific ones or rares
slow forge
What's that 0 about?
fickle yew
Ah, that's not supposed to be there.
grave wren
jewel changes work fine for me ty โค
keen pewter
could someone double check me on this calc spreadsheet I made to make sure I'm not a dummy
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HkR8mASU8ULgjr3LZXzD9XpQ7OoxcmJelyKs69oEiTw/edit#gid=1261072850
Google Docs
(I'm not sure if this counts as tool dev lol)
fickle yew
@keen pewter It looks reasonable enough. I'm not quite following why you are squaring the accuracy. I thought the hit and ball components of molten strike were 2 different things? And as far as I can see you're only dealing with the last one.
Also no mention of crit anywhere.. but maybe you included that in avg ball damage.
grave isle
Hello guys, i'm the daddy's of http://poe-roadmap.com and i have one question about POB, Did the item's description have change between update ? I mean the description in the XML generate seems to not always be the same on all build :/ @timid hemlock
frail knot
I was wondering why profile scrapers weren't picking up my character, even though I made my profile public a month or so ago
my character didn't show up in poe.ninja/poebuilds.io, despite being ~96 in bhc
fickle yew
@frail knot Hm 96 in BHC should definitely show up in poe.ninja builds. The only profiles I skip are ones that are "looted", where items were removed.
frail knot
@fickle yew not looted
my acc was private start of league though
made it public a month or so in
the 95 jug was in BHC
frail knot
I mean the character wasn't picked up by poebuilds either when it hit the cutoff, so was confused as to why tools seem to be skipping it
fickle yew
I stop indexing builds if they die obviously.
But I think I'm showing the last snapshot that I have of them.
I'll double check though.
Because of the GGG rate limiting I'm also not rechecking private accounts that often.
So going from private to public takes a while.
frail knot
do most people ignore profiles if they're private at the start of a league?
if you know
fickle yew
I only know for poe.ninja
frail knot
i remember poebuilds repolls cause its picked up my profile before
i never checked ninja's profiles til today
fickle yew
But if I find that a profile is private, I won't check it again for some time.. I think it's like a week
frail knot
mm it's definitely been public for at least 3-4 weeks
and alive on the league during that time
frail knot
Sure thing :) appreciate it
fickle yew
I just checked my staging environment that's running it's own indexer.. and you're there.
HOWA ES Jugg, interesting concept ๐
fickle yew
Alright
frail knot
if it's worth your while, could make the site add whatever level disc es builds are running to their total
fickle yew
I think I'll lower the public/private grace period.
Yeah I'm working on a lot of improvements on the calculation side.
frail knot
Awesome :D
frail knot
i just searched for howa and didn't see my char up there, so was curious
ah yeah have to do mana calcs
fun
fickle yew
and reservation as well
or is that only for armour?
I forget ๐
Never played a guardian
frail knot
armour is reserved life yeah
es is reserved mana
so my character was just never pushed to the live site?
fickle yew
Reserved mana requires you to understand a bunch of things though. Mana pool, aura reservation (and in particular reduced reservation), blood magic.. etc.
Yeah I guess it tried to index you before you went public and then once it checked again you might have been dead.
The private wait time might be a month... So it should probably be lower ๐
It's just most people don't change it back and forth
frail knot
I usually priv the first month if im doing a boss killer of any sort
especially something that if more ppl copy then gearing gets annoying if i rip
frail knot
then once i have like backup gear/flashy gear to show off I'll public
alright <3 thanks for the speedy response and best of luck with dev
fickle yew
Sure. You guys are my best "bug finders" ๐
grave wren
I am still a bit sad that it's not really possible to keep track of more chars than the ladder positions
would be super interesting to be able to see lower stuff as well
fickle yew
I would need to change the way my site works substantially if it was showing a lot more characters.
grave wren
would you even be able to do it with current rate limiting?
fickle yew
Probably not
I did do it initially.
Based on accounts I found from the trade river.
fickle yew
But it's pretty annoying.
So ended up just doing ladder.
That being said it might be time for the ladder to be more than 15k with the games popularity having increased so much.
grave wren
yep that'd be the easiest fix honestly
simple ravine
a bunch of proxies to rotate between ๐
grave wren
yeah prolly
but its a bit of a hacky solutions to a thing that would be easier to fix/change on their end
fickle yew
Circumventing rate limiting doesn't seem like a good idea. It's good enough for indexing the current ladder ๐
grave wren
Hm do we have info for 3.x about base minion life per level?
There is a sheet floating around for 2.6
also, how does PoB handle spectre level - would be interesting to know for minion instability :>
disregard the last point, i am blind
slow forge
@fickle yew Could we potentially get Glove/Boot enchants in the future?
fickle yew
Yes, still monitoring the helmet enchant one to see if it needs adjustments though
slow forge
grave wren
obtuse citrus
@grave wren just grab it from DefaultMonsterStats.dat and multiply with value from MonsterVarieties.dat and you should get the correct life
grave wren
Ah awesome thanks
grave wren
Resulting base stats for bestiary/3.2: https://hackmd.io/s/HJF5SYDpz
grave wren
@timid hemlock if you level spectres above lvl 100 pob crashes
needs a clamp(0,val,100) ๐
torpid palm
@hushed relic sorry if this is outside your tz but are you keeping up to date with grimro's website project?
grave wren
pull request is up for the clamp
summer stump
is that what they call it
grave wren
@summer stump https://pastebin.com/Huxk6vhW try importing this :p
summer stump
is this one o them viruses
summer stump
i got a sweet lua error
grave wren
That's what the clamp is for ๐
pseudo ocean
Empty flasks
Overleveled support gems
Gems on a +3 staff have a level above the max with level 4 empower
@fickle yew
hushed relic
@torpid palm somewhat, why?
torpid palm
He was just talking about it in a video and comparing it to filterblade and I figured you might find it interesting, it's like the first 3 or 4 minutes of his latest video
hushed relic
do you have a link?
hushed relic
Mm, interesting
well, he is sorta right (in most aspects)
his website is much simpler in terms of layout and template, but once players will want anything specific they'll run against granite walls
simple ravine
his website is total garbage ๐
golden thunder
does someone have any experience with the Cargo API of PoE wiki ?
I'm trying to fetch map data, it seems to have the items table and the maps table, I can't figure how to join them for a query
obtuse citrus
_pageID on both tables
golden thunder
hmmm, like my query that is not working is ?action=cargoquery&tables=items&fields=name,drop_enabled,map_tier&where=class="Maps" AND drop_enabled="1"&format=json
and map_tier is not found on items, makes sense, since it would be into the maps one...
golden thunder
thx bud !
old heath
In PoB using 0 frenzy charges isn't the same as having no frenzy charges
cosmic saffron
0 is the same as max
errant sandal
Does anyone know how to get maps from my map stash tab from the public API?
It didnt seem to follow the same way all the other tabs work
summer stump
wow yeah it's actually super clunky
you have to set the top level tap as public first
and then the tier and then the map itself
summer stump
are you trying to see them on poe.trade and not finding them?
errant sandal
no, im trying to get them from online https://www.pathofexile.com/character-window/get-stash-items?accountName=?&league=Bestiary&tabs=1&tabIndex=?
the online api thing
errant sandal
Thanks DoctorAnger for looking it up. I guess I wanst the only one with this issue
velvet fog
it's a known issue for a long time https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1733474
fickle yew
@pseudo ocean I'll take a look. Thanks.
royal maple
hey, the bot detects i f y o u b b q ' e d as something to delete
no idea why but testing to get the pattern I got at least 10 deletes :)
versed ginkgo
Testing bot filter = bad idea :) Just ask us mods to check it.
Word currently being checked.
hazy fog
@chrome topaz you should update this http://poe.trade/html/tags.html to link to http://currency.poe.trade/tags for its list of tags. I wasn't even aware you'd added them all ._.
chrome topaz
@hazy fog No, these are only supported on the currency site
hazy fog
๐ค what's the difference
chrome topaz
the difference is that if you use them for items, they won't show up on poe.trade
chrome topaz
the technology just isn't there yet man
grave wren
:<
hazy fog
when will then be now?
summer stump
soon
grave wren
huh getting porn ads on poe.trade ๐ธ
at least now i know this one simple trick to get a huge you know what
wind garden
lol machine learning
@chrome topaz i think the whisper message for HC Flashback is too long ot paste into poe
is there a way to shorten it if it's too long?
grave wren
no ML needed who doesnt need an additional 6cm? :p
chrome topaz
@wind garden what do you mean too long
chrome topaz
is there a character limit? either way I think poe/trade has same format so if there's a problem you can poke them
12 seconds isn't bad, 250 seconds is bad
pseudo ocean
there is
chrome topaz
OK I guess I can remove the numeric league id
chrome topaz
should be good now
velvet fog
@timid hemlock If I want to translate the POB interface to chinese, how to start? or does it have a translation file?
timid hemlock
@velvet fog A translation file wouldn't do you any good, as the program's runtime (the font renderer in particular) doesn't support Unicode
One of the consequences of the program having being initially developed as a tool for my use only, then later ending up being released :/
grave wren
Hm @fickle yew are there any issues while collecting profiles? Mine (siege ballista deadeye) doesn't show up on poe.ninja builds ๐
Link to the build/profile: http://poe-profile.info/profile/FaustVIII/CorrodingConscience
fickle yew
@grave wren no It'll probably be there in about 3 hours
grave wren
awesome, do you run in batches?
fickle yew
Yes I'm probably increasing the frequency soon though.
grave wren
ah interesting
fickle yew
@grave wren There you go: http://poe.ninja/event/builds?skill=Siege-Ballista
wind garden
what does "desktop" mean?
UI?
looks like it
but I don't see hwo it's different than making a .net framework ui that depends on a .net standard library
it's still windows only
primal niche
Guyz. I got idea for PoB feature. Tree comparsion. You could compare 2 trees (WOW, Unexpected!). One will be yellow the other blue and where they overlap it will be green
@timid hemlock
torpid mesa
thats a cool extension of the current tree comparison
the current one even knows how many points you have to spend to switch between them
wonder if they can visualize that
subtle hull
hey ive got questions regarding the GGG tracker bot this server uses
anyone available for that stuf?
compact isle
@timid hemlock woops! We changed the layout of jewel slots returned from the passive skills API last patch and it may have broken that part of pob
timid hemlock
Yup :/
compact isle
I was sure no one used that API ๐ sorry for the lack of a heads up
timid hemlock
That's ok; it's easily fixed
grave wren
sneakily procceeds to use ALL of the provided APIs
@timid hemlock btw do you want people to be able to set their charges to > their maximum in pob at the moment?
grave wren
kk
fickle yew
@compact isle When was it changed? I just added code for handling jewels properly last week.. Will have to check that everything still works ๐
compact isle
it was changed today so might pay to check
simple ravine
@wind garden I think it's windows only for now. .net core is also quite faster, and some features of .net will only come in to the future version of .net core and not .net framework (.net core 3)
which is a subtle hint saying "don't build new things on .net framework unless you have to"
especially websites
grave wren
So python? ๐
fickle yew
@compact isle Yup it definitely broke everything ๐
hazy fog
@subtle hull we use rss feed of gggtracker.com
subtle hull
oh
would it be possible to mess with the bot to filter out for only certain keywords?
hazy fog
probably but we won't be doing it ๐ค
grave wren
if you have basic python knowledge i can recommend discordpy
super simple to get going
pulsar moat
@subtle hull hey I set up @knotty bluff
subtle hull
๐๐ผ
pulsar moat
lemme get you the link
subtle hull
was what i was asking actually possible? (and doable within a reasonable amount of time and effort)
pulsar moat
Yes in fact it's baked in by default
https://github.com/synzen/Discord.RSS/wiki/Feed-Filters
that's the github source and the feed filter part of their wiki
pulsar moat
I'm running it on an AWS EC2 t2.micro instance on linux, which is basically completely free forever if you sign up for a free AWS account, so consider that
you can get the same deal with the lowest tier google cloud linux micro instance
subtle hull
no latency/downtime problems?
pulsar moat
nope, it's AWS which like 30% of the internet relies on, never experienced any downtime
pulsar moat
I couldn't run your discord-pob on it thought @grave wren because it exceeded the regulated average cpu cycles/minute
that's running on google cloud which is a bit more lenient
grave wren
aw
although i can host it now
turns out my router just forced a new ip
it isnt actually needed anymore to refresh the lease
wonder if it (micro instance) is enough for a 5 man discord
pulsar moat
I think the base cost of just having it on, activity aside, is still too much. It does dip +/-30% depending on time of day
I'd recommend just starting with google cloud's cheapest instance, they give you $300 in credit tio start with
so far I've used like, 20 cents
pulsar moat
np
having cloud instances is a freeing feeling relative to leaving your home machine on 24/7, would definitely recommend. Only started doing it like 6 months ago
hazy fog
I never turn off my home machine anyways ๐ค
grave wren
I have a rpi running either way as syncthing node
but i think it might be not too nice to have it on it
pulsar moat
I have an rpi 3 (not 3b) and a few micro instances and the micro instances are something like 2.5x faster than the rpi in most situations,
hazy fog
@timid hemlock why does pob capture my mouse movements when I click sliders to move rolls on an item? if I move my mouse around after changing rolls the slider moves with it ๐ค
timid hemlock
@hazy fog o_O How are you managing to trigger that
hazy fog
I wish I knew
timid hemlock
I've been clicking the socks off these sliders and can't manage to repro it
timid hemlock
Horray
hazy fog
wouldn't be so easy to do if the slider didn't nearly match the edge of the window
hazy fog
hurray
cosmic saffron
yes, easily fixed by making pob keyboard-only
hazy fog
grave wren
Now show me the pull request ferret ๐ธ
grave wren
Nice
grave wren
@chrome topaz poe.trade seems broken all items are only shown if offline toggle is set
simple ravine
grave wren
๐ฃ
hushed relic
Well technically
Maybe next expansion is aquatic themed
We find maelstroms and enter those and get to fight aquatic enemies
Maybe GGG might even make fishing real
grave wren
throws a net on neversink
hushed relic
Though i find it highly unlikely after the treatment they received from bestiary
breaks free
grave wren
oshit
hushed relic
" you've been captured. Stupid dev" - ggg's thoughts about this channel, maybe
grave wren
i firmly believe that they couldve made bestiary better if they took 2-4 weeks longer
and streamlined it
hushed relic
Absolutely
hushed relic
It was a good idea, but very unoptimized and overengineered
I think they have a general problem the anyway
The ui seems to be pretty hardcoded
hushed relic
I have the feeling they don't really have a lot of abstraction there
grave wren
i mean bestiary was meant to craft rares
i wanted to craft an armor
i put it in
search for armor
need to use str/dex OR int
(all the same components iirc)
and do it for each craft
that's such a fundamental issue that turns of people
grave wren
i have no idea why the minimap zoom isnt saved ๐ก
hushed relic
Or even add a beast rush feature
Queue 100 different beasts, fight then in a different arena
grave wren
yep mightve been fun especially in a group
hushed relic
Get phat loots
grave wren
granted i played 90% ssf in bestiary
but i never used the menagery with a friend yet in flashback
hushed relic
Idk, i feel like GGG could've at least integrated the aspects
The uniques are awesome
hushed relic
The whole announcement sounded salty as hell
FINE, we'll remove bestiary, no I'm not mad
grave wren
not sure if salty is the right word
hushed relic
Passive aggressive manifesto
grave wren
but disappointment definitely
i can understand it but if you make such a clunky system
it's hard to like it as user
hushed relic
Yep
hushed relic
I feel like it should get a return one day
hushed relic
I liked the spectrum that it made maps matter more
grave wren
another pet peeve: why cant i farm red beasts in specific zones
hushed relic
Certain maps had a higher chance to spawn certain beasts
hushed relic
Also, i feel like they could've even integrated pets as a skill
grave wren
and had an almost filled out atlas
hushed relic
Think wow hunters
In general it feels like beastiary tried to be more than it was, wasnt polished and missed on a lot of chances
grave wren
yep the general ideas were fine
but it was released in a super weird state
and they didnt bother updating too much
hushed relic
Exactly, and the motivation behind 10 nets was weird
grave wren
still surprised it got scrapped completely
i thought they might simplify it
and reduce recipe clutter
hushed relic
Same
It had great ideas at it's core
Besides i feel like GGG could start adding specializations
Beasts, or prophecies or div cards
And those would be cheaper or occur more often
grave wren
hm yeah
hushed relic
Still, ascendency changes and Uber elder were 2 absolutely awesome additions
hushed relic
Uber elder got me super excited and i was really hyped to get there and finally beat him
Well in sc
Still
grave wren
not sure if shelder viable :p
hushed relic
And boy, I'm hyped for vaal changes
so many awesome implications
so many awesome implications
I get to play vaal cyclone
I hope they allow cancelling it
Without unsocjeting the gems
grave wren
haha the good old "died to vaal cyclone but still worth it" - death
i mostly wonder how ignite will work for conversion stuff
looked like they half buffed ignite and half buffed specific skills
not sure if that is enough for some nice railgun ice shot action
hushed relic
I was initially thinking about playing something like that
But it needs a vaal skill
Maybe burning arrow
grave wren
i suspect burning arrow will get some goodies too
slow forge
Burning Arrow Pitch Darkness build ๐ค
grave wren
burning arrow trapper with prolif
grave wren
but yeah i'm in for trap buffs
i hope the trees get some goodies as well
because planning a trapper atm is super boring
you end up with 80% same-y trees
grave wren
planned one already
and its easy to farm if its too expensive so a good choice ๐
also re: bestiary
pretty sure they will implement a way to get the stuff
they arent too fond of creating 3d art for stuff that is gone completely
hushed relic
Ye I don't doubt it as well
GGG has some very specific design patterns that you frequently see
The last league should not be too easy to access next league
Is one popular one
fickle yew
So much activity, so little tool talk ๐
grave wren
oh yeah funnily enough it feels like abyss is better now than before
i am using ballistas to kill = tool
:p
hushed relic
@fickle yew sorry ras-senpai
fickle yew
No worries, I have to delete my Bestiary code as well.
grave wren
hushed relic
So how much does GGG force you to adjust your code
based on API changes?
Also how often do you get "sneaky-changes"?
fickle yew
Not very often. They completely broke my build indexer yesterday with the stealth passive jewel json change.
grave wren
and pob import ๐
timid hemlock
๐ฆ
fickle yew
Well I now have both formats...
simple ravine
what was the passive jewel change?
fickle yew
They changed a json field from being an object array to an array of numbers.
My deserializer did not find that amusing.
simple ravine
the public api?
fickle yew
No passives for a build.
fickle yew
Well the character api.
timid hemlock
To be fair, the old format didn't contain anything useful other than what the new format has ๐
fickle yew
Yep I like the new one better.
hushed relic
contained some undocumented or wrongly documented changes
simple ravine
It would be super nice if GGG in collaboration with tool developers formalize these APIs that implicitly have become "semi-public"
fickle yew
I just had to add a dynamic property in my JSON model now.. which is always nice.
Since I have like 50000+ build jsons already stored in the old format.
hushed relic
@simple ravine I doubt that'll happen, but I think it's one of the purposes
of the beta realms they intend to use
fickle yew
The only other thing I can remember is when a lot of rare amulets were incorrectly labeled in the trade api as uniques... That was fun.
hushed relic
idk if that's still the plan or if it'll happen at all
fickle yew
But that's like 6 months ago or longer.
hushed relic
o.,O
simple ravine
They're not a small indie company longer, and they're attracting more developers
That could be a really good thing for them
fickle yew
Oh yes and the item properties multiplied by some random number: +177 additional spectres.
simple ravine
I do realize that not all people at GGG would agree with me though
grave wren
it's also paid work for them though
simple ravine
Faust - and indirectly 3rd party developers will help keep their game more attractive
grave wren
not sure if they want to spend dev hours on documenting stuff
i know but i dont think it's very likely to happen
simple ravine
It's a difficult CBA to prove to management and stakeholders, indeed
hushed relic
Aye, but they'll be spending more time answering use support emails and getting nagged on by 3rd party devs
fickle yew
I don't mind the api changes. Would just be nice to get a heads up before they happen. I can understand why it isn't always possible / prioritized though.
hushed relic
pretty much this