Erm...
#tooldev-general
simple ravine
vertical synchronization means you're gonna force the entire frame to render before any other portions of the viewport is updated, right?
im not an expert, but that is how i interpreted it
mortal bone
Your get artifacts and screen tearing when the GPU isn't done fully rendering the frame. This can happen when the refresh rate of your monitor and your draw rate are not sync'd. V-sync forces the frame to be fully rendered before drawing it to the screen. If the frame is not fully render it will cut the request time in half and ask the GPU again. This repeats until a stable framerate is reached.
simple ravine
ah
I have 2 1070 cards, and I just switched from an Asus with 2 fans to a Gigabyte with 3 fans, because my Asus got so hot (82 C)
gonna throw the other one back in and see if it has the same issues
mortal bone
not sure poe supports sli
simple ravine
yeah, I think it's my monitor that is giving my gpu a bit of a hard time
mortal bone
what is your resolutioin/refresh rate
simple ravine
it's a 3440x1440 @ 100hz
mortal bone
oh lol
simple ravine
both are IPS panels
so that doesn't help either
maybe I'll put both cards in, drive one monitor with the secondary card
it's just that the computer gets pretty hot with both in
the cards get pretty close to eachother
mortal bone
big monitors
simple ravine
some say it's called delusions of grandeur, i dunno
ok, gonna slap the other one in there, and see if that helps
brb
mortal bone
Yeah, they are pretty cool
simple ravine
both my monitors support g-sync
and my gpus
@chrome topaz have u tried g-sync in windowed mode with PoE?
mortal bone
PoE doesn't have an sli profile
simple ravine
I dont have it in SLI, @mortal bone
I just drive the second monitor from the second card
long sky
Dude's bragging about his baller damn screens and I'm sitting here with my 2012 Dells.
Any chance anything else in your system is causing bottlenecks though? No idea if running two GPU's would cause any weird issues to pop up if they're not being linked via SLI
mortal bone
in other news my investments have gone up 100%
simple ravine
@long sky I tried 1 and 2, I am not doing 3d-accelaration through SLI
long sky
Have you tried actually physically removing either card?
simple ravine
yes
long sky
And do a fresh driver install
simple ravine
yes
long sky
Whelp, I'm out of ideas
simple ravine
Only thing that helps is going back to 60hz
Guess I finally got a reason to buy a new gpu?
long sky
Are you sure it's a gpu bottleneck?
simple ravine
what else?
long sky
Cpu
simple ravine
Let me check, it's not a bad thought
long sky
@mortal bone what cryptos?
long sky
I sold my eth before the big recent rally, derp
mortal bone
I sold a bit of eth when btc was at ~11k
long sky
People are going to be shocked when they realise they'll have to pay taxes on their crypto gambles
Well, if the gamble's gone the right way, that is
mortal bone
you only have to pay on realized gains
like any other investment
you can also get tax breaks for losing
long sky
True
simple ravine
CPU isn't the problem
long sky
/shrug
simple ravine
Highest it got was 54%
long sky
Buy a 1080 and sell your 1070's
simple ravine
but GPU's TDP was screaming
I'm considering waiting for the new volta cards. The new Titan V just came out, but it's not catered towards gamers, eventhough it smacks 1080 Ti
Wonder if I can force a higher TDP throttle?
chrome topaz
if you have gsync - set the game to fullscreen mode and disable vsync
simple ravine
I don't want to play in fullscreen
woeful sphinx
CPU might still be the problem. the game doesn't utilize all cores fully
simple ravine
I've tried it
Im sure it works with other games, but nothing works with PoE
both SLI and G-Sync is a dumpster fire with PoE
simple ravine
it's not even maxing my graphics card
welp... they got some work to do with this graphics engine of theirs
gritty olive
I have GSync, PoE works fine with Vsync off
simple ravine
in windowed mode?
gritty olive
Oh, I never play games in windowed
Are you saying "Windowed Fullscreen" or pure "windowed"
simple ravine
both
gritty olive
The former, it works, the latter, no clue, never do that
it's a 3440x1440 @ 100hz
You also play at a lower hz than me tho
and a higher resolution
2560x1440 @ 165hz
gritty olive
False.
At least on my machine
It might be "default" but I have it enabled for windowed and full-screen
simple ravine
I guess I'll try it again... It didn't work well in 2.6 and 3.0 beta
gritty olive
Fast boot can cause issues, not having custom profiles can cause issues
simple ravine
why?
gritty olive
Never looked into "why" since I don't really care that much about "why" and more about "why is my fps low"
simple ravine
A game should work out of the box
Having custom profile is something for advanced users, and shouldn't disable someone to run a game smoothly, with the recommended system specs met
chrome topaz
well i don't know if ggg has some special treatment from nvidia/amd, but last i looked at gsync/freesync it basically worked like "magic" without intervention from the game - and at the same time, as a developer you can't really influence it much
so what would be really nice for some applications is the ability to schedule frames, but of course you can't do that (or maybe you can, there's no public doc)
simple ravine
Not even with the low-level DX12 stuff?
chrome topaz
what you do is just render the frames as fast as you can, and gsync does the rest
it's very game oriented
simple ravine
What I do know, is that other games work flawlessly. Path of Exile doesn't
delicate ore
PoE VSync has major issues with latency
their implementation sucks
but gsync/freesync should work fine normally
chrome topaz
I don't doubt poe has some problem - was just pointing why gsync/freesync is a bad solution
@simple ravine can you redo your comparison? poeapp is way too fast on your video
simple ravine
lol
mortal bone
Well, if poeapp pulls every 30s
then he could have hit is just right
could take 1s or 30s
simple ravine
I tried 3 different things, similar results each time.
simple ravine
Premiere Pro
gritty olive
@chrome topaz I personally think gsync is a great solution
It has flaws, and is closed sauce but I think it works beautifully
chrome topaz
for games, sure, but it has way more potential
simple ravine
I suppose it could help with large (and jittery) scenery pans
fickle yew
Damn you <<set:MS>><<set:M>><<set:S>>
fickle yew
I know I know..
chrome topaz
it was pretty bad when they added it and then all item hashes broke in Acquisition and it "lost" all prices
fickle yew
ouch 😃
mortal bone
Yeah, it kind of sucks
fickle yew
That's worse than my small problems
mortal bone
not sure why it is sent since it is the same on every item
simple ravine
add it to the list of things lol
mortal bone
even if it is for something visual on their end
chrome topaz
yeah, I still have no idea what it's used for
mortal bone
idk, I can look at the js
chrome topaz
inb4: they just remove it altogether
mortal bone
fickle yew
@mortal bone one more passive tree question.. Orbit arcs in skill node groups make sense.. but how are these arcs described?
simple ravine
what in the holy crap is that mess, Emmitt
fickle yew
mortal bone
@simple ravine they minify it
so you have to beautify it
doesn't turn out too nice
original, and that pastebin is justa piece
@fickle yew Oh, haha one sec
it is math
2 * Math.PI * OrbitIndex / SkillsPerOrbit[Orbit]
fickle yew
But those nodes aren't grouped?
fickle yew
Ah so those will have oidx set
mortal bone
yeah
fickle yew
Alright. Thanks. Deciphering these nodes take a while 😃
Must be the long property names
mortal bone
Yeah, I think there is a wiki on the data
not sure if it is updated though
I am having problems logging into the wiki, so hoepfully curse will fix that
chrome topaz
oh my god, it has support for conditions?
fickle yew
Thanks @mortal bone
mortal bone
np!
supports set, if, elif, and else
@chrome topaz https://pastebin.com/mZpqPGqb full class
mortal bone
Yeah, minfied stuff is annoying
I can see if I can give them decent variable names
from what I can tell it is all for div cards
mortal bone
Yep, this is a heap of annoying
the minifier abuses js scope, so a lot of the variables have the same name
simple ravine
Is this for that <SET:junk>?
simple ravine
yeah, that's what i gathered as well, and I think someone commented on that when those were added to the game around Essence-ish time
mortal bone
gives a good enough overview
not exactly sure what
var i = [],
s = [],
o = [],
u = 0;
those are, but it looks like some way to sort out data based on the <<set:MS>> stuff
simple ravine
no I mean "MS", what does it mean
mortal bone
I can't tell you
there is only mention of "MS"
I am not sure they are actually used
shows my points
there aren't any if_values parsed because they are all sets
simple ravine
this code, even with proper variable names...
simple ravine
I know a couple...
mortal bone
it compressed if/else if/else statements to ternary
simple ravine
I don't mind conditional/ternary statements as long as they make sense, though. They're handy
mortal bone
Also, you won't ever see true or false, you see !0 and !1
simple ravine
I wonder if webpack's code-size / treeshake stuff impacts performance at all
mortal bone
@chrome topaz https://pastebin.com/fUstPA2b this is as much as I care lol patch down time has ended
chrome topaz
cool i guess
mortal bone
basically I don't think it actually does anything
chrome topaz
exactly
compact isle
MS = masculine singular
mortal bone
what is M and S
Also, as far as I can tell sets are never used unless there are ifs
looks like <<set:F>><<set:S>><<set:FS>> is also used
mainly in french brazilian portuguese
chrome topaz
whoa
mortal bone
@chrome topaz mind adding a "type" for the abyss jewels?
simple ravine
This must be the worst article I've read in a long time, not because I believe in net neutrality, but.. jesus this guy is fucked up
smoky temple
@simple ravine I also have issues with gsync and poe, i disabled vsync and the fps counter shows like ~150fps but i dont feel them, it still feels like 60fps, idk why 😃 my monitor has 165hz and in all other games its working as expected
simple ravine
is that 150fps on vsync or without?
smoky temple
without, if i enable vsync the fps counter is always switching between +100 and 60fps, i think vsync is hardcoded to max 60fps 😉
simple ravine
yeah it feels like PoE isn't designed to operate on something above 1920x1080@60
annoying
smoky temple
the resolution makes a difference at least on my monitor 2560x1440, it looks way better but sometimes the resolution switches back to 1920x1080
chrome topaz
1080p at 120fps works fine here (as in it drops below 120 quite often but when it works at least it's real 120fps unlike Diablo 3)
simple ravine
Yeah, I tried to cap FPS to 60 with vsync off
and it got reeeeallyy janky/stuttery, not sure what the right word is
sinful schooner
1440p at 165Hz with gsync works fine and super smooth for me. But windows have fuckedup multimonitor support with different refreshrate so this ma bug when you for example have youtube on second monitor
simple ravine
I disconnected the second monitor last night, to see if that was the issue
still janky
g-sync only worked with real fullscreen for me
sinful schooner
there is option in nvidia panel to enable gsync for not full screen - this is probably disabled in default
long sky
could just be server-side lag that you can't control?
what happens if you drop the resolution down, still see the weird drops?
simple ravine
I put it on predictive to eliminate that factor
long sky
it won't fully eliminate it
all that does is affect the way the game syncs server to client
but if there's anything slowing down the server, like a new league launch, it can still be a bit choppy
smoky temple
@sinful schooner Yeah i also got some issues with my second monitor, when i am for example in the loading screen of an game and i am watching youtube on the second monitor it instantly get laggy idk why, gpu isnt on 100% at all cpu either
simple ravine
I mean, I've tried to eliminate all software and physical factors that could be bottlenecks
I poured a lot of cash and effort into making this PC run really well otherwise
So it's super frustrating that PoE can't work well 😕
long sky
Could just be that PoE is still an unoptimised mess and there's nothing you can do?
simple ravine
That's my conclusion right now
pseudo ocean
i've noticed on latest windows when you start broadcast on steam (path of exile) the hz and fps gets locked to 60 fps
you have to restart the game to fix this
winter fossil
https://github.com/parcel-bundler/parcel cool alternative to Webpack if you hate config files.
pseudo ocean
@simple ravine cpu do you have?
pseudo ocean
fps in hideout without vsync?
here's mine with 8700k 4.7ghz gtx 1080
http://prntscr.com/ho00g7
something is really weird
simple ravine
fullscreen, windowed fullscreen, or windowed?
well, I had this place where I used to bench my fps
and that was on the stairs in act 3 at the entrance with leo
and I used to have 350 fps there
now I have 180fps there
now it's 250-333 after deleting production_Config.ini
and restarting
gritty olive
still on it huh
pseudo ocean
my fps in act 1 town @simple ravine
mtx is too strong for my gpu
60% usage LOL
woaw
simple ravine
we're just more picky, u fanboy 😛 /s
simple ravine
yeah, 1080p@60hz = no probs
mortal bone
gtx 1070 gigabyte gaming
simple ravine
as I said, anything aboe and it gets janky easy
mortal bone
Ryzen 1700x
winter fossil
That's expensive af yo
mortal bone
not sure if cents or chaos
I can't even super sample
105fps supersampled to 3840x2160
looks like shit though
simple ravine
yea super sample is crap
mortal bone
I will down sample later
mortal bone
price maps lol
deft jolt
already did that
mortal bone
1alch 1alch 1alch 1c 2c 3c bluec
mortal bone
There should be higher prices on unid maps as well as corrupted
It would be interesting to see
deft jolt
Still, sample size will be pretty small
long sky
@polar island maybe look at web push notifications for Android devices to save yourself some £££
We implemented OneSignal at work which was super easy and super quick
Also, free
mortal bone
push bullet 😃
simple ravine
OneSignal works well
tall merlin
I dunno where to actually report this, but poe.trade does not let you search for "additional physical damage reduction against Abyss monsters"
it's a mod on abyss jewels
tropic shuttle
Is it even possible to specify ‘8 mod map’ on Poe.trade?
mortal bone
no because you can't tell how many mods are on an item
tropic shuttle
I imagine you could enumerate all the map affixes with a group count of a 8, but then I’d have to watch my back for xyz coming after me with a blunt weapon
And specifically unique lines from hybrid affix sets, not just generic mod lines
mortal bone
the problem is you don't know if something is hybrid or not
the api just returns lines
tropic shuttle
With maps it’s really really obvious
Rare equip less so I agree
But I already wrote an equip solver, maps are a simple extension
mortal bone
what is your success rate with your equip solver
simple ravine
@tropic shuttle Wanna put that code on github?
tropic shuttle
It returns a set, since in some cases there is no guarantee
@simple ravine I need to brush up on my python for google interviews so I’m just going to rewrite it in py and sure I’ll push that up to github
Nobody would understand an elixir implementation anyway
simple ravine
code is code
but yeah, i would probably have an easier time reading python over elixir
not that I use python at all, but i can understand what's going on
mortal bone
don't need to know the language to understand the algorithm
tropic shuttle
I’ll try to kick it out this weekend, will see
I haven’t incorporated the shaper/elder stuff yet either, I need to take a new look at the data
Btw anyone here can reasonably verify that int_shield == focus?
The construction rules have ‘focus’ tags wherever I might have expected int shields
I dug up an old forum post from several years ago, possibly int shields were called focuses back in beta? Dunno if anyone here’s been around that long
:rubber_duck:
mortal bone
I can't tell the difference between downsampled poe and not
pseudo ocean
Is it possible for any of the trade sites to add "only show multiple items from sellers" like if I wanted to buy x2 Screaming Eagle, I could filter only those whos selling 2 or more of the same item? 😛
cosmic saffron
scroll up, scroll down, if you see the same item twice with approximately the same price range then just ask if you can buy 2
that's how I get maps in bulk etc
tropic shuttle
you could always ask xyz to add unique 1 handed weapons to the currency market
i'll bring popcorn
pseudo ocean
chrome topaz
@cosmic saffron why don't you use currency market?
cosmic saffron
I usually search for specific mods on maps so I can run them for challenges
plus my eyes get lazy when I see a big blob of options :p
chrome topaz
I see
Official one has fastest live search but has slightly clumsy user imterface.
well then
mortal bone
and just rips on poeapp lol
wind garden
Poe.trade is down! Panic! Reddit foretold this day would come!
Or its just me
Getting 502 bad gateway
chrome topaz
or i was deploying an update
mortal bone
pssh just hire a guy
chrome topaz
wouldn't trust anybody else near poe.trade
what if gerbels get out of sync and you need to run the scluffer?
pseudo ocean
machine learning updates 
mortal bone
You can do that with a test suite
you can replace code and see if it passes all the tests and move on
was an interesting assignment
pseudo ocean
@chrome topaz not to nag but when will you add the new uniques into the search field for auto filling
Lightpoacher, Darkness Enthroned etc
cosmic saffron
he's been getting a list of unique names etc
pseudo ocean
nice 😄
mortal bone
lol what did you do your arcs
fickle yew
I haven't added which way the arc should go yet 😃
mortal bone
I think you have them inverted
fickle yew
Some of them are correct.
mortal bone
the only ones that should be correct are the large ones
fickle yew
A few wrong ones still. Need a conditional.
mortal bone
if (n1.SkillNodeGroup == n2.SkillNodeGroup && n1.Orbit == n2.Orbit)
{
if (n1.Arc - n2.Arc > 0 && n1.Arc - n2.Arc <= Math.PI ||
n1.Arc - n2.Arc < -Math.PI)
{
dc.DrawArc(null, pen2, n1.Position, n2.Position,
new Size(SkillNode.OrbitRadii[n1.Orbit],
SkillNode.OrbitRadii[n1.Orbit]));
}
else
{
dc.DrawArc(null, pen2, n2.Position, n1.Position,
new Size(SkillNode.OrbitRadii[n1.Orbit],
SkillNode.OrbitRadii[n1.Orbit]));
}
}
basically you need to swap the direction you draw from on certain nodes
@fickle yew
fickle yew
Yup
mortal bone
looks good man
mortal bone
Yeah, in the previous it doesn't scale to red
shouldn't the most common always be the hottest?
mortal bone
it is a bit wierd when it spans the whole tree though
you can still see the most common though
fickle yew
You can easily see specific builds
168 bladeflurry gladiators
Clearly a build guide
Almost all red
fickle yew
for all ascendencies?
mortal bone
just glad
fickle yew
mortal bone
woah
mortal bone
Yeah, that is way less what I thought it would be
mortal bone
Yeah, that is me 😮
fickle yew
Hm looks like I didn't find you yet then
mortal bone
prob not on the ladder?
mortal bone
oh, what are you using lol
I guess you could use the river to find account names lol
mortal bone
yep
fickle yew
Should probably incorporate ladder though
fickle yew
If they've ever traded on their account I'll find them
mortal bone
Oh, true
fickle yew
I do have SSF chars
But that's a good reason to use more ladder.
They ratelimited the char fetching api to 45 requests per minute though 😃
So it's a bit harder now
or well, I just have to make better heuristics for when to update.
mortal bone
na, just need more ips
fickle yew
Yeah that's the spirit of rate limiting 😃
45 / min is reasonable. Still 60k chars per day
mortal bone
takes a few days to process them all then lol
fickle yew
@deft jolt nice! any interesting findings in the price analysis?
deft jolt
Depends what you would call interesting
simple ravine
tulip gale
where do I report poe.trade abuse? or is it not reportable?
lusty musk
@tulip gale I'm afraid this is the wrong place, this is a channel for discussing tool development
is there a concise format description anywhere for the item info you get when you press ctrl+c on an item in-game?
tulip gale
is the second sentence meant to me?
lusty musk
no
tulip gale
Ok.
simple ravine
@lusty musk I haven't seen any documentation for that, no
lusty musk
@simple ravine I'm not necessarily asking for an official source
just something better than trying to read the poe item info script source would be better
god AHK is such an awful language
simple ravine
It's a mixmatch of crap, indeed
But if you copy a few items, the format will reveal itself. I think that will be your fastest route to what you're seeking
I haven't personally seen any official nor any community information around it
chrome topaz
been thinking that maybe i should just remove item base from unique autocomplete and just search for the unique name part
mortal bone
The only time you care about the base is when you forget the name
cosmic saffron
you should also add an auto-complete where you can draw the unique's outline
tropic shuttle
tries to draw a facebreaker, gets results for ondar's clasp
cosmic saffron
is this basename thing aabout the coward's trial thing people posted on reddit?
tropic shuttle
if maps is the issue, maybe just add the set of map names to the autocomplete, so both unique and regular show up
already got it in the bases list
cosmic saffron
this is already the case for stuff like olmecs and cowards, the base got removed
what you could do is auto-populate the base dropdown from the name input except where the items can have legacy bases?
simple ravine
what's this?
deft jolt
Pretty much like poe.ninja, I guess
simple ravine
application/json
deft jolt
Should be fixed
simple ravine
there you go
deft jolt
Cheers man
simple ravine
The Halcyon|Jade Amulet|3 what's the 3 stand for?
deft jolt
frametype
deft jolt
gems / items with variants are a clusterfuck at the moment
simple ravine
@fickle yew Do you haev one of those heatmaps for raider archers handy?
chrome topaz
interesting, I don't see stash tab api lag spikes for when GGG presumably does backups
chrome topaz
which graph?
mortal bone
you linked an item per minute graph I think
fickle yew
@simple ravine
oak sparrow
@fickle yew what application is that?
fickle yew
work in progress
oak sparrow
compares nodes/notables and the most effecient route for min max?
oak sparrow
oh right, pretty cool still
delicate ore
can you filter by main skill
delicate ore
how many can you choose from?
delicate ore
is there a cutoff?
fickle yew
As many as you want
delicate ore
i mean, can i choose cyclone on a witch
and see heatmap
there would be a lot of opportunity to see off meta build choices
gritty olive
you work at ms ras?
fickle yew
Yeah
gritty olive
I have a few friends who work there, cool
gritty olive
ras can you do, Glacial Cascade?
fickle yew
anyway there's a lot more information in the reddit post a few days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7jqhjx/tool_teaser_demo_of_top_characters_drill_down/
delicate ore
can you do me a big favor and link me the two sword and board witch profiles?
i want to see their gear
fickle yew
gritty olive
awesome 😄
gritty olive
How are you obtaining the info?
delicate ore
weird build
can you choose to limit filtering by 5/6L only
i kind of think that filtering by unique items, or even item mods should be a thing
so that you can see the best lightpoacher builds
or the best essence of insanity weapon builds
delicate ore
cool
item mods would really be nice too considering there are entire builds around essences
fickle yew
It's already a lot of data to search 😁
deft jolt
Anyone got a list of item categories?
(the stash api's category fields)
armour|quiver
armour|chest
armour|gloves
armour|shield
armour|helmet
armour|boots
weapons|claw
weapons|sceptre
weapons|oneaxe
weapons|rod
weapons|staff
weapons|bow
weapons|onesword
weapons|twomace
weapons|twoaxe
weapons|wand
weapons|onemace
weapons|dagger
weapons|twosword
accessories|ring
accessories|belt
accessories|amulet
jewels
currency
gems
cards
maps
flasks
Hopefully this is all of them
mortal bone
@fickle yew lol may as well release it because people will continue to ask ;)
fickle yew
Free consultancy work
mortal bone
It's all open source anyway lol
fickle yew
I appreciate the help though 😃
fickle yew
Everyone doing tools these days are standing on the shoulders of the early day giants
fickle yew
Only locally
hazy fog
@deft jolt dammit I was going to say you forgot fishing rod but you didn't D:
deft jolt
Fortunately everything is automatically added
simple ravine
@chrome topaz in DPS, you're not factoring in crit chance for weapons, correct?
mortal bone
so no crit chance
gritty olive
@deft jolt what is the "median / mean / count" refer to
simple ravine
monies, i think
gritty olive
I have no clue of what kind of monies that refers to
deft jolt
chaos
gritty olive
especially considering the median / mean is always the same 😛
deft jolt
eh, what can ya do
I guess if I were to add more cycles there'd be a larger difference
Who uses mean anyway
gritty olive
Well even with 92 counts in the system your median should differ
median 10
mean 10
count 100```Like take this
deft jolt
Thats the beauty of my program. It takes the median of the medians
So the output mean will always be really close to the median
Unless the price rapidly changes
gritty olive
That seems to say that you should never rely on it because it's not accurate
deft jolt
Seems good enough though
There can't really be major price fluctuations due to the way it was made
gritty olive
shrugs
deft jolt
But the numbers will reflect how much the item should be worth on average
simple ravine
medians of medians.. wat?
deft jolt
Aye, you heard me 😄
It adds every priced item to a buffer databse. Every 1 cycle it calculates the mean/median and adds those to a second buffer databse. Every 10 cycles the prices in the second buffer database are used to calcualte the mean/median what you see on the api
That about sums it up. The whole purpose here was to be able to price items on a low-end server
simple ravine
Interesting
averaging 1 million integers on my machine takes 23ms, 5ms with no debugger attached
deft jolt
Added http://api.poe.ovh/ChangeID for whoever might need it
mortal bone
SyntaxError: JSON.parse: expected ':' after property name in object at line 1 column 53 of the JSON data
simple ravine
Indeed, that is invalid json
simple ravine
either just do
"117962393-123545063-115887459-133644796-124842417"
or whatever Emmitt said
mortal bone
I'm not even sure how you output invalid json lol
Yeah, every language has some form of encoding/decoding
simple ravine
Or a library that already does it
simple ravine
Or Jil, or the new one that's based off of Span<T>
torpid mesa
@timid hemlock is there a document on adding more spectre data to pob? id like to see solar guards in there and base it on the poedb data
tropic shuttle
did the river just shut down?
nvm, back now
maybe that was the new patch deploying
simple ravine
or that backup thing running
mortal bone
xyz mentioned those stopped causing backups
dark heron
@compact isle The example api query for lab rank is incorrect on your api docs
tawdry latch
best place for tech support help with downloading and patching the new client? http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2050404 I did make a forum post
timid hemlock
@torpid mesa If only it was as easy as just taking the numbers from poedb... Unfortunately, while I could add life/resist stats for the new spectres, the DPS calculations for most of them (specifically their spells) won't be even remotely accurate, as 3.0 introduced a new damage scaling system for monster spells that AFAIK noone has been able to reverse engineer
torpid mesa
rip
timid hemlock
Indeedaroni
I did spend a fair bit of time working on it during 3.0 beta, but never quite figured it out
And I haven't had time since then to work on it furthuer
deft jolt
Changeid should be good to go now
delicate ore
@polar island @chrome topaz the new Shaper mods that give damage per intelligence can't be searched properly on your sites.
on poeapp it can't be searched at all, and on poe.trade it can be searched but doesn't actually filter
timid hemlock
I have a site? :S
delicate ore
oop
gritty olive
you do now 😃
mortal bone
what is a site?
gritty olive
idk but a virus is attacking everyone i keep seeing little red caps attach to everyones avatar and discord logo
simple ravine
lol
delicate ore
@timid hemlock found a bug though, Lightning Strike is not calculating Multistrike DPS correctly
the projectile portion
i guess cause it isn't tagged Melee
so the attack speed bonus isn't reflected in the DPS
deft jolt
@gritty olive I took a look at my mean prices and did find an error in the code. Thanks for pointing it out
delicate ore
oh, @gritty olive has there been a new release recently?
or will there be one soon?
gritty olive
no worries @deft jolt 😃
@delicate ore I go on vacation in 3 days, so I'll have some time to dedicate to it
I have to finish the report feature for the web based one and then it's done
Hired four new people so it's been dipping into my personal free time to do things :/
timid hemlock
@delicate ore That's a known, and long standing, limitation of the program's skill part system; the attack speed calculation for projectile parts of melee skills has never been accurate, and the recent change to Multistrike merely made it less so.
I'll likely need to overhaul the skill part system entirely to fix it properly; that's something I've been planning to do for ages, but it will require a lot of work.
It is a higher priority now, though, and with the christmas break started I'm hoping to get around to it soon.
delicate ore
with the new skill part system, will we have damage for secondary explosions?
simple ravine
@timid hemlock I've been thinking about things like Tornado Shot as well (which is one of my favorite skills), and how to calculate a more representative damage number
timid hemlock
Yup
simple ravine
But it all depends on how you aim
cosmic saffron
add in an aim minigame
timid hemlock
In fact the design for the new system will actually allow support for CoC and such
simple ravine
Oh nice.. Theory crafting 2.0 😃
fickle yew
@simple ravine which json serializer is based on span? I tried Jil recently on build json and it wasn't happy.
It was particularly unimpressed with the property json on items
deft jolt
So, how legal would a tool be that simply blocks your mouse input when you hit the desired mod/socket combination?
Cause you can copy item data while holding currency
Basically, while holding shift, after every left click it would copy and parse item data and depending wheter it matches a filter, block the next left click
Doesn't really seem to violate any specific ToS
chrome topaz
legal - yes, violate tos - dunno, can ggg ban you - yes, will they - probably not, will they like it - definitely not
into pinned messages, a universal reply
simple ravine
@fickle yew it's a work in progress in corefxlab repo, can link it when at computer
mortal bone
@deft jolt you can always email ggg lol
hazy fog
@polar island @chrome topaz if one of you types the complete question and answer as a single post I'll pin it.
delicate ore
either
1% increased Spell Damage per 16 Intelligence
or
1% increased Damage per 15 Intelligence
can't remember the exact one
poe.trade also has a mod that isn't on poe.db, increased elemental damage per # intelligence
and as far as i know, poe.trade gets mods from the river directly, so maybe poedb is incomplete?
compact isle
@dark heron nice find, cheers!
velvet fog
@delicate ore
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Elder
Prefix 68 1% increased Spell Damage per 16 Intelligence
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Shaper
Prefix 80 1% increased Damage per 15 Intelligence
delicate ore
whats up with that elemental damage mod then?
you can select it on poetrade and it only gets mods from the river doesn't it?
velvet fog
description
1 elemental_damage_+%_per_12_int
2
1|# "%1%%% increased Elemental Damage per 12 Intelligence"
#|-1 "%1%%% reduced Elemental Damage per 12 Intelligence" negate 1
Mods.dat: ElementalDamagePer12IntelligenceUber1
Tags=287, but DropChance=0
I think it was enabled before, but disable in later patch.
287 is Sceptre ElderTags
wind garden
@simple ravine what JSON serializer were you referring to that uses Span<T>?
frigid thorn
Does anyone have a library for Poe.trade or the official trade APIs?
Language doesn't really matter.
deft jolt
Not sure if xyz even provides a public library
wind garden
he does not
frigid thorn
Ugh, ok. Thanks!
frigid thorn
Yup.
wind garden
but there's no api other than that
deft jolt
What are you trying to achieve, maybe i can point you in the right direction
tropic shuttle
Make sure your library supports gzip
frigid thorn
I'm looking for history of item trades
tropic shuttle
You have to build your own indexer for that
frigid thorn
Yup, thanks. Make profit 😄
tropic shuttle
Economic domination! And cupcakes
frigid thorn
Basically want to apply linear regression on items based on their mods and trading history
wind garden
ya, probably want to make your own indexer
frigid thorn
Right, thanks!
wind garden
would elasticsearch make a good indexer db? or is there something better?
considering a good balance of performance and ease of use
doesn't work good on a single shard?
what do you use?
lol
what would you move to?
hmm
so it works fine with small dataset and as you pull the whole river things just bog down? unless you add more hardware
I've wanted to make my own indexer for a while but haven't gotten around to it
and now with the api delay looming, I feel like why bother
the change that hasn't changed yet 😛
i get the feeling Chris doesn't want it, but wants to make public happy
so they're dragging their feet
i wish they would just give out API keys upon request to anyone, and if they see a key starting to be used by multiple IPs, apply further scrutiny
true
but it's faster
i like day trading, not long term
i could do more analysis and look at price fluxuations that would make profit over some days
but it's just not as interactive
frigid thorn
Just make a tool that creates live searches for a bunch of valuable searches from one of the sanctioned APIs.
simple ravine
@frigid thorn You might be aware, but there's no way to tell for sure if an item was sold or whether it was just removed from the public stash
fyi
frigid thorn
@simple ravine I am aware. Thanks!
simple ravine
LOL
chrome topaz
marking as dead is how my custom thing works too
mortal bone
Marking as dead gives a good history
chrome topaz
competitive advantage
mortal bone
I think trackpete also did ES
chrome topaz
yep, and GGG
what's your parse + insert speed?
I feel like ggg's indexing slower than the api returns items which is why it's delayed 5 min
chrome topaz
oh I only look at ones with a lot of items (>2-3k) otherwise the common db stuff that's independent of # of items brings it down, it's about 8-10k items/s on large number of items
mortal bone
@polar island are you fetching and parsing in the same thread?
mortal bone
Ah, ok.
wind garden
@polar island have you done performance comparison with poe.trade for live search speed?
i remember you were surprised when I said it was 5-8 seconds behind
you don't use websockets do you?
hmm it looks like it aggregates items though
like waits 10 seconds and then lists everything within that window
i see
are you planning on having items be displayed right away or still require user to click "view items"?
cool
clicking is a dealbreaker for me
speed is important, and the time it takes to click view items and then decide if i want to buy the item is too long
on poe.trade I can be evaluating whether I want to buy the item while I'm moving my mouse to the whisper button
heh, depends on your use case
how could you snipe with a 60s delay?
once they get the delay working I'm assuming evereyone is going to rely on live searches to snipe
frigid thorn
Is there support to downvote players for price manipulations? 😄
wind garden
sortof
mortal bone
you sure the delay isn't working?
mortal bone
no, can you prove it isn't working
wind garden
@frigid thorn poeapp lets you hide by users
i can
i just haven't checked it today
it wasn't working as of this weekend
I can check right now real quick
wind garden
@mortal bone so I just listed my lycosidae for 50c, I got whispersed immediately by 10+ people
what's odd was that it didn't show up on my indexer
but it also didn't show up on my indexer even after 60sec
so not sure what happened
wind garden
ya
I'm not surprised about the many whispers
more surprised it never showe dup on my indexer
ohhhh
i know
it doesn't notify me of an item I already own in my sale tab
so it skipped it
need to refine my test
@mortal bone ok confirmed, no delay
picked an obscure item and added a search for it
showed up on river within 1-2seconds
mortal bone
literally no proof lol
wind garden
what you want me to make a video of it?
wind garden
what good would come of that? 😃
i'm not complaining
just pointing out a fact
you don't have to believe me
either way I'm at work
remoted into my desktop using my phone. can't make a video at the moment
chrome topaz
they still haven't fixed the delay?
wind garden
no
unless I'm special somehow
just like all the other snipers that whispered me a few min ago lol
scarlet sleet
Hello, does poe.trade have some kind of temp ban if you make too many requests with trademacro? The site doesn't respond for me anymore as of a hour or two ago, using a proxy it opens fine.
mortal bone
@wind garden I can confirm the delay isn't working
took about 5s for poe.trade and my app to return the item as found
sorry for the shitty poweshell lol it is a test app
simple ravine
omegaLUL
gritty olive
oh
gif ends really quickly after the finding
Could have been marketing stunt 😛 "sure we'll do the thing!" never does the thing
4 years later thing gets done
mortal bone
except I don't work for ggg lol
if you want the full video I can send it to you lol
there is just a couple seconds on iether side for starting/stoping
chrome topaz
lemme poke chris again
mortal bone
rip
compact isle
too late
wind garden
why novynn 😦
compact isle
the poke has been received 😄
simple ravine
@wind garden your job is now to buy a ticket to NZ, and find a way to either persuade Chris to stop this, or buy him enough drinks to forget about it.
wind garden
can we just change the policy to "anyone can have undelayed access as long as they're the developer and don't share it with anyone"?
saves the servers
makes devs happy
simple ravine
lol, and how would you police that?
wind garden
register IP with private api key
simple ravine
and anybody could claim to be a developer, and copy-paste someone elses code and put their own thing in
back to square 1
wind garden
have to submit source code with the request for api key?
simple ravine
heheh
compact isle
other problems
wind garden
ah
compact isle
it's too late in the day now to wait for everything to finish anyway so we're going to try again tomorrow
wind garden
novynn, do you know of plans to make any modifications to the API beyond the delay? I got the impression from chris' responses in the last forum post that he was still on the fence with finding an ideal solution
gritty olive
I'm on the fence that this fixes anything
compact isle
I don't know of any other plans
wind garden
hmm k
gritty olive
everyone at 60s is the same as everyone at 0s
wind garden
nah, people will be using the other indexers instead of the river
gritty olive
If you want 0s just scrape other indexers
gritty olive
If anything it makes it harder for people to fight smarter people
wind garden
i guess it'll be up to xyz to complain to chris when people start opening thousands of new live searches
gritty olive
Just saying :/
wind garden
thousands being many people opening hundreds each
gritty olive
Yeah you'll just move your system over to open a tcp connection to poe.trade instead
wind garden
yep
wind garden
GGG doesn't care about snipers, I even think chris likes them
they care about the traffic
and there's as ton of ways to fix that
gritty olive
Traffic is cheap compared to storage costs
wind garden
but he could have fixed that by doing exactly what I suggested
simple ravine
not his.
wind garden
give out one api key per unique source code
simple ravine
but poetrade's sure
why do you think pathofexile.com/trade is notoriously slower than poetrade's live search?
wind garden
because they don't use websockets?
gritty olive
poorly coded?
wind garden
^^
gritty olive
I'd rather say, poorly architected to be suited to realtime
rather than poorly coded
gritty olive
that's an assumption
simple ravine
yes
wind garden
i highly doubt that
simple ravine
ok, sorry
gritty olive
I don't work with assumptions
wind garden
i honestly think Chris likes snipers and anyone who takes advantage of the API for profit
he's given no indication that they wanted to stop them beyond making the public happy
simple ravine
as long as 99% of the poe community is in the blissfull state of not knowing what's going on, yeah
he said his issue was the server load
wind garden
right
simple ravine
and it's caused by snipers.
wind garden
because idiots distributing sniping apps to people who don't understand them
simple ravine
so, he doesn't give a shit if that problem is either offloaded or erradicated
i believe*
gritty olive
google "who gives a shit with a distributed system that you don't have to build out since you rely on their infrastructure instead and this service isn't based on deploying servers in regions it shards across all regions"
simple ravine
lol
eager wagon
traffic is cheap? tbh, if you can hook me up with some gigabits in south korea I'd be pretty happy
gritty olive
lol
simple ravine
pan atlantic connection is getting saturated, cost increases
wind garden
not sure this discussion is beneficial anymore
gritty olive
I agree it is less about the original point, there are ways to transmit data cost effectively through sockets in a cheap manner
wind garden
i mean, we've spent quite a while in this channel about ways to reduce api traffic
they have options....
gritty olive
500$ a month for a billion requests is pretty cheap
gritty olive
That's if you don't want to build infrastructure yourself
If you do the infrastructure yourself, it can be cheaper
simple ravine
that is inside the same data center, no?
gritty olive
No
That was world wide, distributed, multiple regions
with terabytes of data
like 20 tb of data
simple ravine
@gritty olive you lied.
SQS traffic is not free.
And like most other messaging systems, it has a hard cap - at 256kb
mortal bone
Honestly, you would get more cost savings by reducing the data transferred then server cost
You can reduce the data size by a shit ton
mortal bone
gzip isn't the worst
simple ravine
I dont disagree that message queueing type of delivery is a candidate, it just doesn't fix things by itself.
gritty olive
its a solution, not the end all be all
simple ravine
And would require a redesign of a system that is in place
gritty olive
wouldn't redesign a system in place
would launch a side system and move over to that rather than reimplement or redesign
simple ravine
you just moved the problem.
gritty olive
programming is solving problems with more problems
gritty olive
in every sense of the term
you have a problem, you create something for it, now you have new problems either with the implementation or what it surfaces by fixing your original problem
:/
simple ravine
softlayer texas, right?
gritty olive
streaming data is another nice solution
simple ravine
you have a couple of constraints though
- potentially thousands of consumers
- at different points in the stream
simple ravine
yeah, it's easy to namedrop stuff, harder to think about the bigger picture 😛