#tooldev-general | Path of Exile 1 & 2 | Page 56

simple ravine Dec 6, 2017, 4:47 PM

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and once the gigabit fiber lights up, hook it all up 😄

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hope so. i'm currently debating if i should get a unifi pro switch, because it's rack mountable as well, and get a couple of blade servers in a tiny cabinet next to the desk here

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perhaps later

simple ravine Dec 6, 2017, 5:33 PM

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yeah, i think it'll arrive tomorrow

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it's jus tlike 100 bucks

waxen ridge Dec 7, 2017, 12:39 AM

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Here comes the energy, i can feel it

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 12:40 AM

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@timid hemlock https://web.poecdn.com/public/news/Bex/310_PassiveSkillTree2.zip

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 1:10 AM

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https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2036673 why does that list "Lightning Tendrils" as a new item?

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 1:11 AM

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internally it's probably a new gem, like what they did for the other reworked gems

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might be an oversight to include it on there

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 1:12 AM

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I see

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same with maps ugh

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 1:26 AM

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Did he just post the filter/data stuff at 13:37 NZ timezone?

vale ruin Dec 7, 2017, 1:38 AM

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Are there any Path of Exile specific discord bots (like a price checker bot)? I apologize if I've asked this in the wrong channel.

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 1:42 AM

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somebody was working on a unique item bot

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 1:54 AM

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The problem is formatting

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Discord doesn't have any good formatting for a unique item bot

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 2:41 AM

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the trick is doing what some bots do and generating images on the fly of the item

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render to offscreen CEF context, save as png, upload

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or some other html renderer

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those Discord LevelUp bots do something like that

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where they grab the user's avatar and do some drawing with it

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you wouldn't get text though, which could be a problem

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could link the wiki page though

floral yarrow Dec 7, 2017, 3:01 AM

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You kinda can in embeds

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as far as images goes

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 3:01 AM

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oh embed instead of upload

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interesting

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maybe the poe wiki can be modified to support discord embeds when linked to an item page

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and then a bot can just post a link to the page

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otherwise someone will have to host their own database

floral yarrow Dec 7, 2017, 3:03 AM

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Yeah preferably hosted on the bothost, although doesnt really matter but

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I have a discord bot that evaluates C# syntax and compiles it in a docker VM and then builds it and returns the result in an embed

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 3:04 AM

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nice

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how do you offend against memory leaks though?

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*defend

floral yarrow Dec 7, 2017, 3:05 AM

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I dont per say

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I protected a few namespaces

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Docker restarts if its too heavy or if a friend tries to do that

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It's in a contained VM so i dont really care

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:06 AM

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@polar island it should be part of the type line still

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 3:07 AM

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hope a pre-download torrent today

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 3:08 AM

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and i hope you tear it apart asap

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:08 AM

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I'll confirm that though

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:25 AM

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@polar island confirmed

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 3:31 AM

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nice

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what about all those <><> bracket things @compact isle ?

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:31 AM

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what about them?

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 3:31 AM

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still in the typeline?

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:31 AM

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yes

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 3:37 AM

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velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 3:52 AM

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@compact isle Is it possible get a clean type line, or provide itemclassid in stash api

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because it's really dirty right now, the only way to get itemclassid is parsing the image icon

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:54 AM

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the in-game item class has a lot of issues

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I can potientially provide the one we use for the trade system

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but I'm not sure if that would be useful enough

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unless you mean base item type?

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 3:56 AM

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base item type is more useful

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 3:56 AM

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so just the way it is now but without magic items putting their suffix/prefixes into the type line?

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 3:57 AM

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      Regex.match?(~r/Map($| of)/, str) -> :map
      Regex.match?(~r/Flask($| of)/, str) -> :flask
      Regex.match?(~r/Jewel($| of)/, str) -> :jewel

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(snipped from a big ol' case clause)

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but i think additionally, what i mentioned before about belts, gloves, armour etc

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probably is what chuanhsing is interested in

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did you ever get the chance to pack that into the other api?

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 4:00 AM

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provide a separate base item type column is okay for me, mapping base item type to itemclassid is trivial

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:01 AM

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you had mentioned something about maybe putting data in here: http://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/data/items

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:01 AM

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well I did just remove sockets: [] from items without sockets, so maybe it's time to add class info

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right

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it's probably easier for people to consume if it's in the public stash api

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:04 AM

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that would be really awesome

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:07 AM

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hmm

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might be nicer

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I leave that for debate here and come back to it 😄

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:10 AM

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what is the onemelee and twomelee?

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the grip (1h vs 2h) ?

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:10 AM

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yep

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they're based off the trade categories

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which includes "Two-Handed Melee Weapon" as a searchable category

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:11 AM

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i see, right

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:12 AM

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I could probably strip that out

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:12 AM

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i had assumed that melee/ranged was not variant in any given weapon type

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ie, all wands are ranged, all daggers are melee, so on and so forth

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:14 AM

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this is true

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:14 AM

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even so, people might find melee/ranged annotations useful

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but yeah i guess the trade categories would fit the need if it told me something was a belt even if the typeline said it was a Vise

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:25 AM

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it'd be "category": {"armour": ["belt"]} in that case

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hm, can't do formatting inline

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 4:33 AM

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or "accessory": ["belt"] perhaps

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but yeah

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i see scepter in the trade categories

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but not rapier

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or ranged

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:38 AM

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rapier gets condensed into one-handed sword

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wand/bow aren't generally interchangable for builds

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 4:48 AM

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Will it match ItemClasses.dat?

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 4:49 AM

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no, it's trade related

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 5:19 AM

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"C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Chrome\Application\chrome.exe" -app=https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/

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works better with poeapp.com tho

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looks more like an app

compact isle Dec 7, 2017, 5:21 AM

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our logo is so blurry in this 😦

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 5:21 AM

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lol

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it really is, interesting

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 5:22 AM

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@gritty olive you just blew my mind

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 5:22 AM

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It works best with desktop shortcuts 😉

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put it into the "target" box

tropic shuttle Dec 7, 2017, 5:23 AM

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didn't know you could do that with chrome

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 5:23 AM

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I do it with codeanywhere.com

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 5:23 AM

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Yeah, just haven't really ever used chrome as a power user

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always have used firefox

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 5:24 AM

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spent a few years reading the source code

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@mortal bone you can do it with firefox it just takes a little more work...

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you have to create a custom profile or chrome stylesheet

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 6:53 AM

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wat

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7i4d63/discussion_should_trade_api_access_be_limited_to/

Discussion: Should trade API access be limited to a few certified sites? • r/pathofexile

The recent post of the trade sniping tool got me thinking about the trade API. * Is it really necessary for the API to be accessible by everyone...

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what they doing to the trade API?

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 7:37 AM

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Bex_GGG: We have an update coming for this which should solve these issues while keeping its use fair and open. We'll share more details in the news tomorrow.

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 7:39 AM

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fair and open don't go hand in hand

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 7:52 AM

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should I make a player ran auction house to prove points?

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I feel it would be hilarious at this point

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 7:53 AM

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what point?

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 7:53 AM

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that it either works or it doesn't

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 7:53 AM

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don't see what that would prove

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 7:54 AM

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I've been considering doing something similar as well

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:25 AM

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Player ran auction house is a bit hard without buyouts lol

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You can't really force someone to sell

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:25 AM

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No, but you can incentivize with reputation

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:30 AM

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Which is also hard to do.

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You can't prove someone did or didn't sell something

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A +1 button is a good way to get people to create a ton of accounts to bump themselves

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 AM

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Well I agree with you to a certain extent

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It holds true as long as you can't verify that the account is not a duplicate

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To a reasonable degree of certainty

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:56 AM

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You can always link them to real accounts, but it is a free to play game. Although then it is easy to track behavior

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:59 AM

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Yeah, and also learn from the gotchas and mistakes from oether auction type websites

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In forex/day trading for an example, there are some pretty intriicate bid manipulation strategies people use

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So eventhough an AH would solve 1 problem, you might be introducing X new problems with an AH

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Because with forex/daytrading, you have to accept you're at the big boy's table, and have to learn the ropes. This is the main complaint with trading in PoE, that people get screwed over, especially beginners.

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Which is a major problem for adoption of the game, if new players come and get screwed over too many times, their first impression and first experience with the game isn't as good as you'd want it to be, which is unfortunate.

smoky temple Dec 7, 2017, 10:13 AM

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Thats totally true, its hard enought as a new player to stay while looking at the talent tree.

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:09 AM

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i know a way to prove whether an item was sold or not

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use the river

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so, have a system like

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:13 AM

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You could have the person put the same item in their stash

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But item ids are unique per player :/

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:14 AM

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hmm, i guess it can't work for items that can easily have duplicate rolls

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:14 AM

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Flasks and such

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Or some uniques that have low roll ranges

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:15 AM

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oh yeah, you could also use the river to verify bids

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:15 AM

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Mhm

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You could use the river to bid

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Generate a code for each item someone puts that code on a note for currency

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:16 AM

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i was thinking you could just require that all of the items used in the bid be publically available

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that way you can have mixed currency, or even item bids

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:17 AM

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Yeah, any item with the generated code could be put towards the bid

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Only one code per item or your bid is invalid

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:18 AM

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well, you could just have your currency stash publicly available

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and the system will know how much liquidity you have available

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:18 AM

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yeah

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:18 AM

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You want a reservation system though

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Make sure the currency can't be used twice

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:18 AM

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ah

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thats true

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:18 AM

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Ideally, but I don't think it's feasible at scale

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I think for performance and user experience, you'll have to work around that

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:19 AM

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You could have a couple different systems

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Say hf less verification faster turn around and then a slower system that ear marks the currency which gives you more verification

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The user can choose between the two systems for individual items with a default of a more verified system

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Would be interesting to mess with if I didn't have a data cap lol

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:28 AM

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I feel sorry for ya'll with data cap 😐

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:30 AM

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1tb isn't bad, but it is easy to rip through it

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I could pay the extra $50 for 'unlimited'

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:31 AM

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what would the total cost be, and for what speed?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:35 AM

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Just moved, so I have a promo. Current service is $70 for 20Mbps down and 5 up, so $120 with no data cap

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:35 AM

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That sounds like UK

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:35 AM

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Whoops, that is on Wi-Fi lol

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Lan speed is a bit higher...75Mbps

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:36 AM

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Well, what does the contract say that you're subscribing to?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:37 AM

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I only have one provider available as well

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75Mbps at peak times

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Is the contract

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We get higher in the mornings

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:39 AM

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Your wifi router must be quite far away?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:39 AM

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Not too far but about 6 walls inbetween

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:40 AM

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ouch heh

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anyway, time to get another 100m tp cable and some rj45 plugs etc

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new network equipment will arive any minute, woop woop

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Depending on what the changes they're doing with the trade stuff, perhaps brainstorm a little more around the previous things we discussed a bit later?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:43 AM

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Yeah, I am down. It might be kind of fun

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The one thing I am looking forward to when buying a house is plugs in every room...

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We have a 50foot cable across the apartment lol

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:46 AM

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You sharing apartment with others, or?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:46 AM

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My wife and I then a roommate

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:47 AM

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Ah, right. You were expecting a baby too, or was that someone else?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:48 AM

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Internet cable entry is in the living room, but the bedrooms are across the place. That was me, he was born about a month ago

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:48 AM

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Ooh congrats

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 11:48 AM

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Ty

gleaming stag Dec 7, 2017, 12:21 PM

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Hey, when I usually play poe I get a bit over 60fps, but as soon as I start MercuryTrade or Lutbot for example my fps drop to around 30, tried it in window and fullscreen window? Why is that? Is poe getting forced into a background application?

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 12:40 PM

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register a new account and trade between them

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 2:49 PM

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hashing and browser fingerprinting

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 2:58 PM

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lol

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I'm curious what they changed though

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hmm i remember when the API was supposed to be private

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they sure would 💰💰💰

deft jolt Dec 7, 2017, 3:18 PM

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Man, I hope no drastic API changes will take place in the coming few weeks

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Got a project that I have to present that relies on the API

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 3:59 PM

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Ya, not going to be happy if 2 years of work suddenly becomes worthless

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:01 PM

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@wind garden What have you developed? Curious..

pseudo ocean Dec 7, 2017, 4:01 PM

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probably private indexer i would guess

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:p

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:03 PM

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That must be one hell of an indexer if so

pseudo ocean Dec 7, 2017, 4:04 PM

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all these public snipe indexers haven't even heard of the word 'cache'

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rip GGG servers

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:04 PM

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lolwat

pseudo ocean Dec 7, 2017, 4:04 PM

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they all redownload the entire thing and just replace it

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:05 PM

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i'm pretty sure most start from the tail

pseudo ocean Dec 7, 2017, 4:06 PM

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imagine if just 1000 persons have a private indexer, that's like 1Gbps/sec

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:07 PM

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I think the number is quite small tbh

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And it isn't 1.5 MB/s all the time either

pseudo ocean Dec 7, 2017, 4:07 PM

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I find it weird that they haven't just added a webshell button ingame for their new search tool

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big fat trade button

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:08 PM

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sorry yeah, head

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i'm so tired, that is what i meant

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no worries

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well, i suppose that you could have use for the rest, especially history

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but that would be a more intricate solution rather than a sniping app which you somewhat-manually operate

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the big of what, do you mean?

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oh

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i want to order a little rack

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and get a couple of blades

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for the shits and giggles, and do some funky stuff

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who are 'us'?

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oh

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lol

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lol, my 3-year-old got his hands on my ethernet cable reel

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and been unrolling like 100 meter of tp cable

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yay

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:17 PM

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@simple ravine I have several apps, one of them is an indexer, but the other is an iphone app that forwards private messages to my phone with push notification so I can remote desktop back to my computer to sell something

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I wouldn't say it's been 2 years of solid work, but I started about that long ago and have been adding features off and on each league

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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private project?

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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yes

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although I have published other public projects

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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http://www.strawpoll.me/14566273/r

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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the biggest one though was based on petet's exiletools which is now defunct

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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lol

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oh isn't there already an app to forward messages to your phone

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:18 PM

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yes

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but i wanted to make my own asa practice making an iphone app

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had never made one before

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:19 PM

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i see

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now make it so you can sell from your phone

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:19 PM

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i used to use prowl app just to do that

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:19 PM

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without using remote desktop

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:19 PM

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lol, i wanted the ability to set item prices using the public api

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that never went over well

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:19 PM

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you can set them with a forum thread

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:20 PM

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true

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:20 PM

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acquisition actually works on android (and probably iOS too)

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:22 PM

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here's what I don't get about the argument against private indexers (besides the strain it puts on GGG servers). People don't like them because they think they're unfair. But in reality, somebody is always going to be first. Whether it be because they have a faster connection or they're physically closer to the server. So in th end, how does it matter if someone is using an app to find deals first, or if they're using poe.trade. It's all the same in the end

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 4:24 PM

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if they use their own indexer they can be 5-10s faster, if they use poe.trade and they have a slow connection, they are going to be like 0.1s slower

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 4:24 PM

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i'm talking about from the buyer's perspective though

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the people complaining are never going to be first

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as for bots, someone can still hook a bot up to poe.trade

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@mortal bone is there a tool that can do a visual diff of the passive tree?

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ah nevermind, you already posted a link to one on reddit

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you the best

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 4:30 PM

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awww snaaapp

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shell elk Dec 7, 2017, 4:47 PM

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nice, have fun with those!

elfin oak Dec 7, 2017, 4:59 PM

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Lol what do you need with all those?

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:13 PM

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decent networking

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:30 PM

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that security gateway is noisy

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meh

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 5:40 PM

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Is there any data on what the rate limit is for the api? Trying to use https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/fetch/ for quite a few items but since the max "result lines" (or whatever they're called) per request is 10, I quickly get rate limited since I have to send a lot of requests

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:41 PM

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its in the header of the response

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 5:42 PM

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Aha, X-Rate-Limit-Account:20:5:60 X-Rate-Limit-Account-State:2:5:0? What do the numbers represent?

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:43 PM

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20 requests per 5 seconds, 60 second throttle

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 5:44 PM

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Cool, thanks. 60 seconds throttle means what exactly? If I surpass the 20 req per 5s I get throttled for 60s?

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:44 PM

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yes

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 5:44 PM

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Throttle = shut out/more limited access/reduced speed?

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 5:45 PM

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shut out afaik

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 5:46 PM

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ty!

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 5:54 PM

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@reef jacinth in my experience the limit is 45 requests per minute

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that's on the stash api

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isn't 20 req/5sec really fast?

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why would you need to fetch that often?

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 6:03 PM

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@wind garden Okay so I'm looking to fetch many (all if possible) items with certain names, say Factory Map and Mesa Map, to aggregate them and make them easier to buy at once. My current solution is:

Query https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/search/LEAGUE for each item name, this returns a list of 0-100 "result lines"
Query https://www.pathofexile.com/api/trade/fetch/RESULT_LINE1,RESULT_LINE2...RESULT_LINE10 for all those result lines, max 10 result lines per request or I get a 400 bad request, and this returns 10 items per result line

so to sum it up I have to do about one request per 100 items, so 4500 items per minute if it's 45req/min?

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maybe there's an easier way to do this? (without having to set up my own indexer)

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 6:07 PM

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As I understand it, different APIs have different rate throttles

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I was referring to the public stash API

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but I think you're using the trade API which has a different rate

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it should be the 20/5sec rate you listed earlier from the header

reef jacinth Dec 7, 2017, 6:10 PM

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Okay thanks

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 7:27 PM

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My office now sounds like an airplane cabin

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:09 PM

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@simple ravine sucks you can't automate the configuration of those

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:10 PM

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what do you mean?

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:11 PM

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not sure what you don't understand

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:11 PM

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can't automate what and how?

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:13 PM

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versioned port / vlan configuration

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is a no go

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:14 PM

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i have conflicting information

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:14 PM

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Release it on github, or sell it

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:15 PM

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im confused

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:15 PM

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the automation and versioning of the port / vlan configuration

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If you have a way to do it release it

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:16 PM

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i think i misunderstood you there

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how would you want to automate them?

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:16 PM

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idempotent-ly

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:18 PM

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sorry, but.. what do you want to automate? once it's configured, i'm just gonna throw it in the closet and have it do its thing

gritty olive Dec 7, 2017, 8:22 PM

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It's outdated and when I change something I want to see the history, for reasons

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 8:22 PM

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and what do you use that doesn't suck?

hazy fog Dec 7, 2017, 9:33 PM

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@chrome topaz UNFAIR MONOPOLY :v

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:34 PM

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RIP

inner moon Dec 7, 2017, 9:34 PM

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WTB whitelist paying in uncorrupted golden rhoa feathers

hazy fog Dec 7, 2017, 9:34 PM

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(is joke I love xyz)

void wolf Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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hum but do u think that 60 sec is enough?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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oh yeah

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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lol

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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that is a nice solution actually

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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it only voids years of work

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no biggie

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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make it public

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no biggie

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:35 PM

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how would that fix things?

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i assumed "public" means usable by the public rather than just public source

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:36 PM

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yes

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usable by the community

inner moon Dec 7, 2017, 9:36 PM

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It doesn't take away that, it prevents unfair advantage

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:36 PM

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so a publicly usable sniping page?

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doesn't that defeat the purpose?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:37 PM

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that is the point of this annoucement...

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defeating 'sniping' tools while still allowing everyone to develope if needed

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:37 PM

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right but still means if you spent the time to write your own sniper you're SoL

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:38 PM

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yep

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unless you open it to the public

elder hearth Dec 7, 2017, 9:38 PM

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RIP my 780% facebreaker 1c flip

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:40 PM

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why not just give a whitelist key to any developer that wants one, but not to users of that app. so prevent snipers from being used by anyone other than the person who wrote it

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cuts off the mass distribution of sniping apps that GGG didn't want

deft jolt Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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So the curernt api will stay the same?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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because this solves their problem

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yes

deft jolt Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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good

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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it will just be delayed by 60s

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for non-community tool uses

inner moon Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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Inb4 still faster than indexers 🤔

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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or research it looks like

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:42 PM

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sooooo

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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This is fine for me indeed

elder hearth Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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i wonder if poeapp got the "Online players" api permission too

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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all we need to do is make a public tool and we can use the same backend for private indexers?

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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@elder hearth yes, just recently

elder hearth Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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nice

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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is that what you meant emmitt?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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No

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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lol

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:43 PM

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I mean research projects

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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so it's not enough to be a public page that need non-delayed API

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you have to be xyz or poeapp

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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I am confused

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I am not the authority here

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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that's probably what's going to happen

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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fair

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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Email GGG about your use case

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:44 PM

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but we'll see

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:45 PM

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ya i guess the requirements for getting on the whitelist are not clear

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:45 PM

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they seem pretty clear

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Developers doing research projects or getting started on trade sites can use the delayed data and existing public trade sites receive fast access.

hazy fog Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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basically until you prove that you're not a scumbag you don't get fast flow

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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If you're a developer of a public community tool who would like to unlock the undelayed data, please email us at contact@grindinggear.com. Thanks!

lean quiver Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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it seems straight forward

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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so in otherwords, all sides besides poe.trade and poeapp will be delayed

lean quiver Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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be public and show you have worth

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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Well, there are no "These are the requirements to get non-delayed API access"

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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right

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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"worth"?

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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like, how big do you have to be

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how useful does your app have to be

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that sort of thing

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:46 PM

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It isn't set in stone no, but you can email them and ask

lean quiver Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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its prob intentitoanly ambiguous

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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I would assume if you provide the same level of service as poeapp

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you are good

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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lol

lean quiver Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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i mean really almost noone needs the fast api

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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he has a pretty small operation

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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i'm pretty certain both him and xyz have put a crazy number of hours into their sites

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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@hazy fog for $50 i'll email ggg your ip and tell them i added a new load balncer node

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:47 PM

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xyz here to drop the money bags

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lmfao

hazy fog Dec 7, 2017, 9:48 PM

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😆

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I don't want to use a sniping tool

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:48 PM

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Alt+Prt Sc -> compose email to bex@grindinggear.com

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 9:48 PM

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This delayed stashtab data is a step in the right direction... but still doesn't solve the problem that you cant create a trade site... because you cant get access to the online-api. This means your stuck only knowing additions/changes in the last few minutes... anything else cant be trusted.

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:48 PM

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what's going to happen is the number of poe.trade live searches will go through the roof

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watch as poe.trade gets delayed > 60 seconds

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and private indexers become the fastest search again

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:49 PM

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@rugged night you get it eventually as seen with poeapp

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I doubt the live search causes too much overhead

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he can also disable web sockets

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eliminate overhead

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:50 PM

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ya

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i don't think it'll fix any issues in the end. just shifts them

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it cuts down the strain on GGG servers

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and shifts it to others

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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well, that was their goal right?

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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no doubt

inner moon Dec 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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Websockets aren't that bad, 30 WSs per browser is tho 🤔

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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maybe they want to subtly shift people to using pathofexile.com/trade

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:51 PM

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you can't just blame GGG either.

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The community was pretty tired of private tools

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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those private tools help them more than they realize

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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...

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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They could easily reduce the strain on servers by sending less data too. We don't need all the data on every item in the tab just because ONE item changed position. Most of the data that the stashtab-api sends could be contained in a simple look-up table/database for that item.

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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At large, I don't think the community get the situation, @mortal bone

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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there are tons of ways to reduce data

echo summit Dec 7, 2017, 9:52 PM

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you sound like you're asking ggg to make a public sniping tool lol

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:53 PM

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for one not using json would be a good start

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:53 PM

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as @rugged night said, the API in itself is quite inefficient

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sending the entire tab when you change one item is a sub-par choice

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:53 PM

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easy choice though

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very easy for them to just diff tabs

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also caching would help

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:54 PM

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Yeah, well I'm just being very blunt. I'm not trying to be a hater, nor a fanboy

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My suggestion would be to create an API that would send events, rather than complete tabs

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 9:56 PM

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Also, dont send EVERYTHING about an item... just send like "Item 673" and the stats that can change

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Why do I need the long description of an item when it could be in a lookup table?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:56 PM

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erm, items have a different id per user

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:56 PM

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ya that

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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well, take flavor text, the verbose stat lines etc

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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trading an item changes it's id

obtuse citrus Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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I believe he means just a pointer to BaseItemTypes.dat (as API) with the info that doesnt really change

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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Yup

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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exactly

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:57 PM

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oh, yes

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 9:58 PM

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No need to send me 100+ descriptions all the same... when it could just contain a short look-up code/number

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 9:58 PM

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descriptions being included is just bad

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that's been brought up 100+ times

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 9:59 PM

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Also, sockets could be reduced down to a simple string

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even a byte actually

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:00 PM

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The properties thing is a dumpster fire lol

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:00 PM

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It would save GGG (and consumers of the API) sooo much bandwidth if they spent like 5 seconds pruning the useless stuff... and sending individual item updates

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:00 PM

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that is where most of the data comes from

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don't need w/h I have a table for that

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also the full icon url doesn't need to be sent

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the name line is sad lol

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name    "<<set:MS>><<set:M>><<set:S>>Roth's Reach"

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:01 PM

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such sad lol

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:02 PM

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Yup... NO thought went into the stashtab-api :/

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:02 PM

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28bytes for a display header

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:02 PM

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I'm not sure how you'd make it only send item updates without it being excessive on the ggg side

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:02 PM

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read a book about it

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:02 PM

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the whole tab would be fine if there wasn't so much extra stuff

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:04 PM

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would be intersting to see how much "better" the community could make their api by facading it

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:04 PM

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you could trim .168 MB per minute just trimming the name

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that is at 100 items/s

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:05 PM

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100 items/s is low

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:05 PM

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yes, I know lol

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:05 PM

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closer to 500-600

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:05 PM

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500-600 items per second?

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:06 PM

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the whole tab man

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the whole tab..

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:06 PM

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again, facepalm

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:08 PM

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Oh yeah sure I'll read a book thank you very much

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Lemme check amazon for stash tab api books hmmm

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:08 PM

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lol

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:08 PM

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I created a quick app in a day or two that consumed the StashTab-API... dumped things into a MariaDB and then checked each new item coming in to see what data I really needed. It threw away unchanged items, used a lookup table for item/uniq bases, descriptions, etc... and created a new ""StashTab-API" like data packet.

...it got the data packets down to about 5% of the initial size... and I never finished optomising it.

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Over 95% of what the StashTab-API sends is useless junk

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:09 PM

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emmit already mentioned that

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wouldn't you sacrifice human readability though?

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or is there a readable more efficient format

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:10 PM

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_data_serialization_formats

Comparison of data serialization formats

This is a comparison of data serialization formats, various ways to convert complex objects to sequences of bits. It does not include markup languages used exclusively as document file formats.

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merry christmas

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 10:11 PM

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JSON is quite fine when gzipped imo

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of course, there are formats that are more compact

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could use blittable structs and binary serialize it :trollface:

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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I guess people who wrote sniper things will switch to writing poe.trade sniper thing that auto copy to clipboard etc

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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They may hammer your "live search" feature, xyz

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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protocol buffers is where it's at

lost wigeon Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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@chrome topaz how did you guess? 😄

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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may?

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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Or maybe they'll just ddos me again to prove a point or something

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:15 PM

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ya i've used protocol buffers extensively

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and grpc

gaunt tundra Dec 7, 2017, 10:16 PM

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protobuf is awesome

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:16 PM

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yup

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huh?

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what ddosing?

gaunt tundra Dec 7, 2017, 10:18 PM

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read xyz's comment above

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:19 PM

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ah, missed that

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:20 PM

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How big is your database (as a whole) for poe.trade, @chrome topaz ? ...and when does it date back too?

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:29 PM

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Big as in?

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:30 PM

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gb/tb storage needed

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:30 PM

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Dates back to like 2013 when i launched it

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:32 PM

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How much space the database(s) take on your drives/servers ?

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(in total)

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 10:35 PM

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waiting torrent, 5pm-9pm NZT

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:45 PM

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uh I'd need to check but db size on disk is kinda pointless metric for me because i have all data in memory

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:51 PM

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you don't write your db to disk?

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:51 PM

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I do, why?

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:51 PM

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didn't understand what you mean by "I have all data in memory"

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did you mean the db size on disk isnt' accurate because there's additional data in memory?

velvet fog Dec 7, 2017, 10:52 PM

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table caches?

wind garden Dec 7, 2017, 10:53 PM

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either way, I think @rugged night was just looking for a big number that he could be impressed by 😃

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:53 PM

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it doesn't use the disk for querying the db

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:53 PM

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I'm just after a rough size in gb/tb of the database... be it on disk or in memory

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:54 PM

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well in memory it's like 80GB for me

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on disk maybe 2x larger or so

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:54 PM

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Thats not too bad 😃

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 10:56 PM

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so it's not "terabytes" of data yeah

mortal bone Dec 7, 2017, 10:57 PM

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do you strip a lot of the useless data out?

rugged night Dec 7, 2017, 10:57 PM

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With that size, I'd guess so

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I was thinking with all the historic data... it'd be in the terabytes by now - lol

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 11:04 PM

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sure

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:32 PM

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i don't think GGG should whitelist anybody tbh

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pathofexile.com/trade should be the only service without the api delay

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it would for certain be the most fair thing to do, since they have complete control and every other publicly hosted service is blackbox

chrome topaz Dec 7, 2017, 11:43 PM

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hey you take that back

simple ravine Dec 7, 2017, 11:44 PM

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lol

delicate ore Dec 7, 2017, 11:44 PM

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poe.trade would likely still wind up being better than pathofexile.com/trade

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simply because of ux

golden zealot Dec 8, 2017, 12:39 AM

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is there a centralized source for filter info?

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thinking of starting a project similar to filtration now that it seems to be dead, would be nice to have a text list of item types/bases/whatever -- all the item info

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oh, woah, looks like filtration actually got an update a couple of hours ago

gritty olive Dec 8, 2017, 12:43 AM

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I don't think GGG should do whitelisting until they make a good service

golden zealot Dec 8, 2017, 12:43 AM

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might still be interested in doing it just as a project

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so if anyone knows of a list of item classes etc that exist anywhere id still appreciate a link

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id rather not pull them from filtration or w/e

gritty olive Dec 8, 2017, 12:44 AM

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poepy or the website

golden zealot Dec 8, 2017, 12:44 AM

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the official site? i guess i could just scrape it

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 12:55 AM

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@golden zealot https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE

GitHub

brather1ng/RePoE

RePoE - Repository of Path of Exile data for tool developers

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also has a bunch of data

golden zealot Dec 8, 2017, 1:05 AM

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excellent, thanks emmitt

gritty olive Dec 8, 2017, 1:45 AM

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did not know about that

tropic shuttle Dec 8, 2017, 1:49 AM

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@gritty olive i found that last league and used it to build my affix calculator

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helped me prune down the problem space considerably

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i think @simple ravine is doing the same thing now also in c#

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seriously considering publishing my affix calculator as a community tool now with these recent developments

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 2:50 AM

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what dds format is ggg using?

latent iron Dec 8, 2017, 2:59 AM

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Does GGPK store unit hitbox data or is that all handled server-side?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 3:05 AM

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marauderthinking

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 3:08 AM

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the website was enabled but the realm hasn't been opened to players yet

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 3:13 AM

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someone notify me if torrent is ready

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 3:13 AM

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just a ping?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 3:53 AM

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ya, thanks

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:17 AM

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Anyone here

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know how to use the api

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:24 AM

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which one lol

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:28 AM

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Novynn how do I use the api?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:28 AM

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https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API

Path of Exile Wiki

Public stash tab API

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https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/api-resource-public-stash-tabs

Path of Exile

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:28 AM

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Does http://api.pathofexile.com/public-stash-tabs contain ALL the latest items?

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:29 AM

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🤔 is there a way to register my server to relax rate limiting slightly?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:29 AM

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contact support@grindinggear.com like the post asks

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 4:31 AM

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rate limiting for which API?

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:31 AM

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ladder/league

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 4:31 AM

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they'll be lifted to be less limiting in 3.1.0

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:31 AM

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right now its looking like a 17 minute cycle for querying 15k ranks on 4 leagues

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 4:32 AM

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yeah, we're doing some interesting backend things this time so I'm sure it will only become easier for you

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Honest why cant I ask here?

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:32 AM

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do i get direct lookup on ranks? 😄

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:32 AM

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Are you making it hard for me on purpose or what?

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I just want o know how to query something like items with ilvl between 50-100

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:33 AM

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I don't understand.

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:33 AM

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and you tell me to use email like its 2000

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:33 AM

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You have to parse the river...

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:33 AM

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what the hell

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:33 AM

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o_o he asked me to email them, not you lol

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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direct lookup? You mean by account name or something?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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@dark heron thought you were talking about the stash api lol

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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that's possible, but will still be limited to the top 15,000

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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Does http://www.pathofexile.com/api/public-stash-tabs contain ALL the latest items?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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@glacial flax did you read either link I sent?

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Every Public Stash tab has a private change ID attribute.

When you update an item in a tab, or update the tab itself it's ID will take the next available one from the pool on that server shard (the old ID is discarded, and never reused).

When you query this endpoint, the ID you provide says "give me all tabs on each shard with a change ID greater than the one I provide". The backend will then fill up a packet with as many stashes as it can, and when it can't fit any more it will provide the change IDs of the tabs on each shard it was up to.

If the number of stashes returned is zero, you get back the same change ID you passed in (a hint to keep trying until the endpoint has some tabs for you).

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:34 AM

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:O! seriously? i'd love to not have to parse the whole 15k/league forever.

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:39 AM

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when it can't fit any more it will provide the change IDs of the tabs on each shard it was up to.
where is this?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:40 AM

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"next_change_id":"2524-4457-4108-4873-1427"

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:40 AM

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is there a current_change_id?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:40 AM

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always the very first object in the river

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it is in the url

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http://www.pathofexile.com/api/public-stash-tabs?change_id=0-0-0-0-0

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replace 0-0-0-0-0 with next_change_id and query that url

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:44 AM

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Thanks.

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that key is not listed on gamepedia though.

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:44 AM

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📎 stash_tab_testing.py

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simple python code to consume it

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2.7 I think

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:46 AM

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@mortal bone If I want to query something with filters, like poetrade, how do I go about doing that?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:46 AM

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you don't

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as far as I am aware

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:48 AM

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So I keep querying the next change id, at what point does it stop?

mortal bone Dec 8, 2017, 4:50 AM

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working in Python 3.x

📎 stash_tab_testing.py

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If the number of stashes returned is zero, you get back the same change ID you passed in (a hint to keep trying until the endpoint has some tabs for you).

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 4:54 AM

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Will read through and replicate that code in PHP, since I'm not too familliar with python, but thanks.

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 5:06 AM

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@velvet fog https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7ic3xk/no_ggg_torrent_to_preload_the_31_content_like/dqxsr9v/

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take my energy.

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 5:42 AM

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still no torrent

tropic shuttle Dec 8, 2017, 5:45 AM

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@glacial flax poe.ninja lists the latest current change id

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there are also other reasonable ways of fast forwarding to the head of the river without drinking the whole thing

wind garden Dec 8, 2017, 6:08 AM

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when does the whitelist come into effect?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 6:12 AM

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will gerena effected?

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https://www.pathofexile.com/public/PathOfExile-3.1.0-preload.torrent

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 6:23 AM

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@tropic shuttle by default is 0 right

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0 is the first page

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 6:24 AM

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@wind garden ```
We're changing how the trade API works with the release of 3.1.0 so that private "sniping"...

wind garden Dec 8, 2017, 6:30 AM

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where did you quote that from?

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 6:35 AM

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the original forum post

wind garden Dec 8, 2017, 6:42 AM

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not there

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maybe they edited it

glacial flax Dec 8, 2017, 6:46 AM

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It's already changed.

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Basically, they have a whitelist now, those that are not on their whitelist, will have a slight delay.

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 6:49 AM

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if someone had downloaded the full preload.zip, I need some files

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 7:00 AM

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@wind garden yeah, seems like the post itself has been changed but not the news on the front page https://gyazo.com/6556747d82823edd3b87aed95772ff2a

tropic shuttle Dec 8, 2017, 7:47 AM

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@glacial flax 0 is the earliest history of the river. you can call it the starting point if you want, but that's not where you're going to find the most recent data

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2017-12-07 23:48:31.901 [info] [ 0 / 1200 ] [111876157, 117298596, 110017422, 126960771, 118529646]
2017-12-07 23:48:34.126 [info] [ 1 / 1200 ] [111876164, 117298627, 110017448, 126960837, 118529708]
2017-12-07 23:48:34.948 [info] [ 2 / 1200 ] [111876170, 117298647, 110017448, 126960839, 118529731]

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this is where the river is at right now

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you can check this against poe.ninja:

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Next change id 111876213-117298688-110017487-126960947-118529787

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just found a commit from my old python project: 2016-10-16 18:25:27, where all the changeids were between 21M and 30M. now all the shards are past 110M

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db has grown 5x in the past year

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come a long way, eh @compact isle

lost wigeon Dec 8, 2017, 8:07 AM

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@compact isle Are the new API changes already in effect?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 8:09 AM

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seems not yet

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 8:10 AM

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can somebody recommend a tool for extracting the ggpk, or is visualggpk the best option?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 8:13 AM

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Im using visualggpk, do you dled full preload.zip?

wind garden Dec 8, 2017, 8:17 AM

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@tropic shuttle @glacial flax That's not actually correct, the river doesn't keep history. 0 is the start of the CURRENT stash index.

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any histsory must be stored by the indexers themselves

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 8:19 AM

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i'm downloading now

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 8:37 AM

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me too, my poor net

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 8:38 AM

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got it downloaded

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though, vggpk2 does return ```
Building directory tree...
Traversing tree....
All done!
Failed to read directory tree: Failed to compare two elements in the array.

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 8:47 AM

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WOW...

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 9:02 AM

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I can read it just fine

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it's a bug in vggpk2 I guess

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spec is out for 3.1.0 btw

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 9:05 AM

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so fast

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 9:15 AM

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spec?

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 9:25 AM

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specification for .dat files

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 9:34 AM

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huzza @obtuse citrus, well done

pseudo ocean Dec 8, 2017, 9:36 AM

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ahhh, unique items leak exaltThink

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 9:37 AM

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something is fucky with travis urgh

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 9:37 AM

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build server failing you?

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 9:41 AM

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it's failing to install/update some of the requirement packages

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 9:42 AM

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to be fair, pip has been a clusterf... since i met him the first time.

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 10:04 AM

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http://poedb.tw/us/gem.php?c=Abyss

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 10:09 AM

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@velvet fog where's all the new uniques

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all the ones one the page were confirmed already

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 10:09 AM

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none

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I can only get name, flavour, icons

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 10:10 AM

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oh =/

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 10:14 AM

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Abyss Jewel http://poedb.tw/us/item.php?cn=AbyssJewel
Maps http://poedb.tw/us/area.php?cn=Map

delicate ore Dec 8, 2017, 10:15 AM

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any info on Elder/Shaper/Abyss mods?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 10:20 AM

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ModDomains 14 = Abyss

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 10:20 AM

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I thought 14 was Pantheon?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 10:25 AM

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http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=AbyssJewel not match official site mods, finding others

dull arrow Dec 8, 2017, 11:19 AM

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@timid hemlock I believe Multistrike isnt working with minions on PoB. I believe the newest update isnt classing animate weapon attacks as melee attacks.

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 11:25 AM

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Hmm, the Content.ggpk file has a last modified date of 22nd of November

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 12:18 PM

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I wonder if anyone is awake at ggg right now

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 1:37 PM

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Getting lots of 500 responses

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 1:37 PM

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Map Stash Tab
Add a Map Stash Tab to your account. Map stash tabs can hold 72 of each map type.
Map stash tabs can be listed as public, allowing them to integrate with community trade tools.
150 Points

deft jolt Dec 8, 2017, 1:46 PM

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72 seems a bit underwhelming at first

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but it guess its 1 type so its fine

lost wigeon Dec 8, 2017, 1:55 PM

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@velvet fog awesome!

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 3:00 PM

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urgh they changed how map icons work

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they're just the glyph now with transparent back g round, seems like they overlay it over the base icon and change colour or something on the fly

hazy fog Dec 8, 2017, 3:35 PM

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map stash tab isn't for shit shaped meta

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it's for normal mappers who have some of lots of different maps marauder

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 4:17 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/rNblvbP.jpg more stash types

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 4:18 PM

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o shit

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 4:20 PM

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can't find Shaped maps from baseitemtypes.dat

weary saffron Dec 8, 2017, 4:41 PM

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@hushed relic In filterblade for the loot simulation, Stygian Vise has the wrong BaseType. It's "Belts" not "Belt".

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 5:11 PM

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@velvet fog can you extract new shaper/elder mods?

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 5:14 PM

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no idea where they stored

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 5:20 PM

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They're just normal mods with new tags

tropic shuttle Dec 8, 2017, 5:42 PM

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@wind garden what i meant by that was historic change sequences. the data you'll find there is current, but the change at index 0 occurred year[s] ago.

velvet fog Dec 8, 2017, 6:02 PM

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📎 atlas1920.jpg

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 6:04 PM

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@obtuse citrus can you get the list?

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 6:05 PM

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I'm pretty busy atm, here is what I dumped earlier

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https://pastebin.com/cUQDszL0

Pastebin

68 ['(10-15)% increased Skill Effect Duration', 'Socketed Gems are Supported by - Pastebin.com

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 6:06 PM

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okay, can you share the script?

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 6:07 PM

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it's fairly basic

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for mod in r['Mods.dat']:
yes = False
for tag in mod['SpawnWeight_TagsKeys']:
for key in ('shaper', 'elder'):
if key in tag['Id']:
yes = True
break
if yes: break
if yes:
print(get_translation(mod, tc).lines, mod['GenerationType'], mod['CorrectGroup'], [t['Id'] for t in mod['SpawnWeight_TagsKeys']], mod['SpawnWeight_Values'])

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 6:07 PM

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perfect, thank you

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 6:08 PM

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r is RelationalReader instance, tc is TranslationCache instance, get_translation is from PyPoE.poe.sim.mods import get_translation

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 6:09 PM

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yep, I still have your old script for enchants

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alright, now to get the ggpk... I hope this time their torrent doesn't have a shit ton of porn trackers

obtuse citrus Dec 8, 2017, 6:11 PM

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why not just patch the client

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patch is live

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 6:12 PM

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well guess I hoped too early

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oh is it

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I didn't realize

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📎 lol2.png

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whoever makes these torrents

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my big smh to you

tropic shuttle Dec 8, 2017, 7:26 PM

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anyone here done the google phone screen?

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or gotten past it?

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 8:47 PM

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the unfair poe.com/trade monopoly

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 8:48 PM

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📎 unknown.png

simple ravine Dec 8, 2017, 10:10 PM

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Operaton Timed Out all the time while playing

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ugh

pseudo ocean Dec 8, 2017, 10:10 PM

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yeee

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:12 PM

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online api stuff should be fixed

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:26 PM

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@compact isle what are the new values in the status api?

gritty olive Dec 8, 2017, 10:26 PM

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A neat trick to cure yourself of your python addiction:
True, False = False, True

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:26 PM

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not sure, I didn't work on it this time

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let me check

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:26 PM

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it's got 4 fields now

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:27 PM

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Account,AFK,CharacterName,LanguageId

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LanguageId is the same as in-game so it's probably datamined somewhere

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:27 PM

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uh okay

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it would be nice if these changes were communicated in advance

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:27 PM

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yeah I didn't know about it sorry

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:28 PM

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also current league would be nice, too

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:28 PM

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we have to do more work there to get the league name

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:42 PM

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@compact isle how many live searches you got running on the official trade thing?

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:50 PM

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seems to be 150 per second

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so that's 750 currently running?

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checking logs for more accurate numbers now

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:50 PM

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i see

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:51 PM

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we're limited by the amount of php-fpm workers we're running though

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time to implement websockets

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:52 PM

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I got 6.2k live searches and about 12.5k websocket connections

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 10:52 PM

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so @compact isle did the character rank lookup make it in anywhere? docs dont show it

chrome topaz Dec 8, 2017, 10:52 PM

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seems a lot of people haven't turned off their harbinger/mayhem/whatever searches

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:52 PM

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we only have a handful of those

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@dark heron https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/api-resource-ladders added "accountName" param

Path of Exile

Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.

dark heron Dec 8, 2017, 10:53 PM

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oooooohhhhhh

compact isle Dec 8, 2017, 10:53 PM

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let me know if it's slow or anything

gritty olive Dec 8, 2017, 11:05 PM

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what if it is fast

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I'm just messing you can ignore that 😉

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 12:14 AM

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is api working properly?

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i haven't had a single person message me back on an item

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with like 50+ offers

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 12:23 AM

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what item?

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 12:23 AM

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Bones of Ullr Silk Slippers

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not even a reply saying it's sold

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 12:29 AM

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weird

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 12:59 AM

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hmmm, poe.ninja seems broken 😦

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@fickle yew

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 1:55 AM

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cuz you broke the api

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 1:57 AM

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that's the concern of course, but things seem to be working fine still

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 1:59 AM

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Yeah, I'm just very vocally against doing things that heavily impact tools that are used during a major event

velvet fog Dec 9, 2017, 2:37 AM

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how elder/shaped item mods displayed in stash api?

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:38 AM

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same as regular ones

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what were we doing that impacts tools @gritty olive ?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:49 AM

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the rate limiting stuff could have and the api field changes

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that said the new league "pick your reward" thing is cool

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:50 AM

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which api fields changed? By ratelimiting things you mean the headers?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:51 AM

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whitelisting happened just yesterday right?

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:51 AM

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happened today, but doesn't have any code impact

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:51 AM

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marauderthinking

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:51 AM

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it looks exactly the same consumption-wise

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:51 AM

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the rates of consumption changed

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that could mess with someone elses code which has different expectations

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https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/workflow.png

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:53 AM

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lol

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the only difference is the consumer will see the update later.

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:54 AM

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or the error could cause the whole system to error out

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:54 AM

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"the error" what error?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:54 AM

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the error of fetching too fast

compact isle Dec 9, 2017, 2:55 AM

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there is no error

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:55 AM

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I consider anything that isn't 200 ok to be an error

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even 200s can have errors

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:55 AM

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lol

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:55 AM

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anything that isn't what you expected

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is an error

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:55 AM

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you need to also read a book

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:57 AM

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It's weird to not think that someone relies on something working the way it works and when it changes even slightly or the interaction is handled differently that the contract is no longer held

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:58 AM

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There is no difference in rate-limiting, nor response codes

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:58 AM

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The river was changed, if it didn't change, then it wasn't changed

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:58 AM

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Look at it, as different premiums in fin-tech/trading systems

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:58 AM

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But if it changed, then there were changes and those changes will impact those who relied on the previous state

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 2:59 AM

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Nijiko, no offense, but are you sober tonight?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 2:59 AM

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That's rude

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 3:00 AM

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Your statements make no sense, I'm sorry.

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:00 AM

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Our solution is to delay the item data by 60 seconds for everyone except certain whitelisted public sites.

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 3:01 AM

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And how exactly would that break existing implementations?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:01 AM

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If someone doesn't expect this, that can break an implementation, it depends on what that text (which is vague) means.

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 3:01 AM

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The consumer wouldn't know if it's delayed or not.

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:04 AM

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It depends on that sentence meaning, whether it implies duplication or sliding window

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Since it's a river I would expect a sliding window, but then again who knows

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It's vague

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:04 AM

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it isn't a river in that since

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it is the difference since the 'last' time you checked

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Sliding window then, which means there is now a Dam in the river (keeping the river metaphor)

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 3:06 AM

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Well, I'm going to bed. Have fun guys.

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:06 AM

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your window is just 60s delayed, but it is the same window

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how would that break anything?

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 3:06 AM

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broke my sniper

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:06 AM

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eh, if you are faster than a minute

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:06 AM

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it broke all those chinese snipers

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exaltThink

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:07 AM

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it didn't break them

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:07 AM

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It slowed them down

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:07 AM

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no

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it changes when they see the data

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:07 AM

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The thing I don't understand is... if you have a whitelisted access, you can just scrape from the output of that person

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:07 AM

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they can consume at the same rate

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:08 AM

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This doesn't fix it marauderthinking

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It's theatre

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Also I thought it wasn't sliding window earlier and I was wrong

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:08 AM

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the window can be different for everyone

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:08 AM

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yeah

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:08 AM

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it is a difference

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:09 AM

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I get that, but it is easy to comprehend or get a basic grasp of how data flows in it

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:09 AM

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if you stop consuming and restart your will have a much different set of data than just straight consuming

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How does it break things though?

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:09 AM

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I said I was wrong

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:10 AM

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@chrome topaz also, you can just piggy back off one of your nodes

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your sniper works lol

velvet fog Dec 9, 2017, 3:13 AM

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3.1.0 Hotfix 1

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 3:21 AM

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that's the joke

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 3:22 AM

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all we have to do is a port scan

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 3:25 AM

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port scan?

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 3:28 AM

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I have a feeling xyz is a bit more heavy handed on the ip bans than ggg

pseudo ocean Dec 9, 2017, 4:32 AM

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massive port scan = angry email from host : p

gritty olive Dec 9, 2017, 5:39 AM

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: p

delicate ore Dec 9, 2017, 8:50 AM

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https://twitter.com/LogicalPlayah/status/939416706677657600

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does anybody do this? if not, why don't people do this?

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that would kind of destroy most adblocking software. and the ones that do blocking by nth-type-of-element can get subverted by proper obfuscation

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right?

pseudo ocean Dec 9, 2017, 9:14 AM

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hahaha, you think they'll share

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company secrets for a reason

fickle yew Dec 9, 2017, 9:27 AM

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@compact isle you're right. I'll try and see what's going on. My site isn't liking the river atm apparently.

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 9:49 AM

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@delicate ore because I right a plugin that hot swaps 'critical' sctipts with the proper cdn

fickle yew Dec 9, 2017, 10:53 AM

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@compact isle poe.ninja should work now. Apparently some items had a null sockets array where I hadn't seen it before.

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Main task was actually deploying from a mac instead of my regular windows machine 😃

fleet axle Dec 9, 2017, 12:35 PM

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not sure if this is the right channel to ask, is there any trade sites that have all the new affixes and can also sort by total stats? I know that the poe offical trade has all the affixes but can't sort by total that I could find.

lost wigeon Dec 9, 2017, 2:11 PM

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@fickle yew Thanks for the heads up! I had the same issue with poe-rates

fickle yew Dec 9, 2017, 2:36 PM

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I wonder why they suddenly became null.

tropic shuttle Dec 9, 2017, 4:35 PM

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my code was crashing on the null sockets also

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+  def is_rgb_socket(_), do: false

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1 liner fixes

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 5:45 PM

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@compact isle why is poe.trade live search faster than pathofexile.com/trade?

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 5:45 PM

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heh

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 5:56 PM

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because it uses web sockets instead of 5s polling, how faster do you see it anyway @wind garden ?

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it was pretty close when i tested

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 5:58 PM

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it's about 1-2 seconds faster

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poeapp is about 5 sec behind

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i thought pathofexile.com/trade would use websockets too

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i guess i could have checked

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@chrome topaz have you seen a large increase in live search usage?

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pathofexile.com/trade seems to miss items

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super annoying pathofexile.com/trade lists items by user account and not IGN

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 6:20 PM

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@wind garden hard to measure when it's a new expansion

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i'd say it hasn't increased by a substantial amount

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 6:42 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/7img7e/psa_beware_indexers_still_work_dont_get_scammed/?st=JAZOS8ME&sh=50112508

[PSA] Beware. Indexers still work, don't get scammed. • r/pathofexile

Title. Multiple items testsed. Some never show up on poe trade and still get insta whispers for heavily underpriced items. Try it yourself. And...

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How?

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I'll test it when I get home

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But I don't see why they'd lie

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 6:55 PM

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why they would lie? i dunno, easy karma, rage boner against ggg, etc?

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pretty easy to test yourself, open a live search, put your item into public tab, walk into another area

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somebody saw an instant whisper and assumed it's a "private" sniper, because they are used to poe.trade being delayed by 5 mins or so

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:10 PM

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I'll have to test it. I was testing earlier on standard but not abyss

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I'll have to see if abyss is slower like people were saying

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There was no delay for items on standard

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Poe.trade was <3-5 sec

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:28 PM

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Snap

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No its not!

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I'm getting the api real-time

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What's also weird is items appear to be missed once in a while

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 7:29 PM

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what do you mean missed?

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:31 PM

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Mmm might be my indexer

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I don't list items that I've seen already

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Poe.trade shows when someone changes from fixed price to negotiable

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 7:31 PM

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yes

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:31 PM

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But the api definitely isn't delayed

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 7:31 PM

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maybe they forgot to enable it

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:31 PM

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Maybe

chrome topaz Dec 9, 2017, 7:32 PM

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I'm more curious why people claim that poe.trade misses items, when it shouldn't

simple ravine Dec 9, 2017, 7:32 PM

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Perhaps just saying that they do it scare people off enough 😄

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 7:32 PM

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I'm not sure about missing items

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Need more data

tacit mango Dec 9, 2017, 8:04 PM

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@hushed relic your filter is not showing shaped maps properly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mORfMwNPP4k its an ilvl 75 shaped beach(t6) and it barely shows

noble siren Dec 9, 2017, 9:21 PM

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Maybe this has been posted before, while I am new here:)
What does a shaped/elder item JSON look like from the public stash API?

wind garden Dec 9, 2017, 9:27 PM

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here we go again

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pathofexile.com is dying

mortal bone Dec 9, 2017, 9:36 PM

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@wind garden was posted a bit above shaped: true and elder: true

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the lack of the mods means false

noble siren Dec 9, 2017, 9:46 PM

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thanks!

delicate ore Dec 10, 2017, 1:00 AM

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@chrome topaz http://poe.trade/search/etoranikiubuko

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it should be showing 4 mod jewels, not 3 mod jewels

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glitch?

compact isle Dec 10, 2017, 1:02 AM

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you have lightning damage to sword attacks in there twice

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 1:03 AM

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yep

delicate ore Dec 10, 2017, 1:08 AM

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oh it should be to attacks

velvet fog Dec 10, 2017, 1:27 AM

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anyone fingered how armor/weapon apply a elder/shaper mod?

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ouch, I know how to mapping the elder/shaper mods now.

velvet fog Dec 10, 2017, 3:05 AM

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Elder & Shaper mods
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Elder
http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=Shaper

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 3:06 AM

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that's quite a list

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 3:14 AM

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chance_to_deal_double_damage_% [20] huh?

velvet fog Dec 10, 2017, 3:16 AM

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can't find description in stat_descriptions.txt

gritty olive Dec 10, 2017, 5:13 AM

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how well does PoB do with SRS?

torpid mesa Dec 10, 2017, 5:13 AM

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Good

cosmic saffron Dec 10, 2017, 6:23 AM

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oh wow rings with curse on hit

deft jolt Dec 10, 2017, 11:32 AM

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Ok apparently i wrote return instread of continue and my script was cheked only the very first item of the entire api pull

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Which is funny because it took me 4 hours to figure out why there's so few items on sale

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 11:36 AM

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You don't debug your code in those situations?

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step-in/out etc

deft jolt Dec 10, 2017, 11:38 AM

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Haven't learned that yet, still a novice

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 12:14 PM

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Oh, what language do you use?

deft jolt Dec 10, 2017, 1:06 PM

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java this time

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 1:27 PM

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pro tip of the day: google breakpoints debug java <insert your ide here>

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 5:53 PM

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printf debugging master race

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 6:17 PM

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aka noob-debugging

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 6:48 PM

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Not really noob debugging. Logging isn't the worst thing when you have a system you can't debug

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 6:52 PM

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If you can't debug it, you're doing it wrong.

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you're taking it the wrong way 😛
i'm trying to make you a better developer 🙂

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 6:57 PM

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...

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That is a very false statement

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 6:58 PM

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Why is that?

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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There are times when it simply isn't possible to debug. I work on systems all the time that can't be debugged

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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Such as?

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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Phone systems

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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In development mode?

deft jolt Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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Seems like new ammy Impresence has 5 different variants

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 6:59 PM

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IVRs specifically

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You can't take one down because you know...payments

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:00 PM

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We're talking about when you're developing, not when you have issues in production environments, then of course logging is key.

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 7:00 PM

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sometimes you're writing a rop chain for a console and the only way to debug it is infloop/crash distinction

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but i digress

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:01 PM

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@chrome topaz you do realize you can attach multiple debuggers to different processes, right?

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 7:02 PM

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printf versus debugging is like the oldest flamewar

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:02 PM

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wonder why...

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:03 PM

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I like a mix of both, and it depends what language

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Python print is pretty much all you get

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:03 PM

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emacs xd

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:03 PM

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Vim spaces actually

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Tabs are shit

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:04 PM

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you can debug python

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:04 PM

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gentoo, emacs, tabs here

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:04 PM

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You can, but it is much faster to just print

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:05 PM

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well, if you spend 4 hours wondering why your app isn't working...

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

deft jolt Dec 10, 2017, 7:05 PM

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how rude

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:05 PM

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Also, I do most of my scripting in notepad++

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:05 PM

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in emacs mode I hope

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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why is it rude?

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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To be fair, a print statement also would have caught the issue

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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It depends on your code

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if you have a simple procedural script, sure

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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Printf('continue')

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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my code is shit quality so print is usually the way to go for me

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:06 PM

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Oh only happened once...

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Hmmm

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:08 PM

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Assemply

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:08 PM

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@simple ravine I would say 95% of my python is within a couple hundred lines. Not very hard to see issues

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:08 PM

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Sure, your mileage may vary

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:08 PM

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Never needed a python debugger, so I am doing good so far

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:09 PM

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You didn't need a cellphone before they were invented either.

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:09 PM

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I don't really need one now either

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:09 PM

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you get the point.

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:09 PM

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No, I have never had an issue where I needed a debugger

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 7:11 PM

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I'll stop now, before I sound even more rude I guess

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let's just agree that we disagree

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 7:11 PM

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I'm cool with that

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 7:15 PM

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@shell elk plan9, every indentation level is the next prime number of spaces, butterflies

shell elk Dec 10, 2017, 7:16 PM

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I'm ascending to another physical plane right now by just reading that

chrome topaz Dec 10, 2017, 11:13 PM

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is the stash tab api broken right now?

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it's like returning 800-1500 items in a single response (so not backlogged) but takes a long while for items i place in tabs to appear

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hmm seems erratic

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yeah it's good now

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 11:33 PM

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forums look like they still have items linked

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hmm, too bad there isn't timestamps on stash updates

gritty olive Dec 10, 2017, 11:42 PM

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@timid hemlock any chance you'll open source SimpleGraphic?

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 11:43 PM

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isn't it technically already open sourced?

gritty olive Dec 10, 2017, 11:43 PM

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I'd rather not replace it with QT

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Nah, the drawing mechanism is a compiled DLL that openarl wrote in c++ but never open sourced

mortal bone Dec 10, 2017, 11:43 PM

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ohhh

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I see

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Does the whole ui get re-rendered every frame?

gritty olive Dec 10, 2017, 11:56 PM

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not sure since I don't know the dll code

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could watch system calls or the exe calls but im too lazy

wind garden Dec 10, 2017, 11:56 PM

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ya item i listed 20+min ago still haven't shown up

simple ravine Dec 10, 2017, 11:57 PM

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not even on their own site?

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does all shards increment?

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perhaps some shards are down

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i.e. network partitioning or something

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lol

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:04 AM

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@mortal bone yeah PoB ui/render is pretty inefficient

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every frame it throws everything away and re-renders everything

mortal bone Dec 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

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damn...

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that is nuts

wintry crypt Dec 11, 2017, 12:07 AM

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Delayed sniper feed lul

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:11 AM

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that's also why i abandoned my pob js "port" project

mortal bone Dec 11, 2017, 12:12 AM

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was the port just webasm?

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:15 AM

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webgl and emscripten yes

mortal bone Dec 11, 2017, 12:16 AM

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you only need to redraw every ~200 ms

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hmm, maybe

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it may be a bit jumpy

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:18 AM

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haven't tried optimizing it much

mortal bone Dec 11, 2017, 12:18 AM

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you could increase the framerate to 60 on pick up

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:18 AM

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maybe i should post it on github so somebody could pick it up

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it was basically a hodgepodge of some js webgl, emscripten hacks and that qt renderer

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oh and then there was that amazing hack to draw text mmmm

tropic shuttle Dec 11, 2017, 12:22 AM

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i'm also not seeing my stashes come through on the river

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 12:27 AM

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I poked Chris about that hopefully fixed soon

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says it's gonna resolve itself soon

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well it's not related to whitelisting

tropic shuttle Dec 11, 2017, 12:51 AM

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i think it just came through. heavily delayed

chrome topaz Dec 11, 2017, 1:27 AM

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📎 wasm.png

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well shit