exactly
#tooldev-general
simple ravine
yeah tell your random consultants and employees to go grab this arbitrary chat application, and configure it to connect to this self-hosted chat server.. yeah.. no
it's all about the network/adoption effect
chrome topaz
I hate slack, telegram, discord, whatever. they all come and go
whatsapp viber everything sucks
simple ravine
what sucks is when you self-host something, and people won't use it because it serves a single purpose
and people forget about using the app
chrome topaz
imagine if email was invented in 2017
we'd have Google email, Facebook email, Aol (the fuck is aol) email, some gaming Twitch email
oh you have Google email? sorry I have facebook email so I can't contact you
simple ravine
I agree it's a problem
there were some work around standarized messaging iirc
xmpp, jabbr etc
simple ravine
but it circles back to the 'i took a 6 week bootcamp course, now im a professional' problem
simple ravine
looks like someone slapped messaging on top of a blockchain?
simple ravine
blockchain isn't a protocol
chrome topaz
well, you can prove me wrong by providing a useful use case for blockchain
and let's see if we can replace it with something else that's not blockchain
cosmic saffron
what if I'm freezing to death and only have a bunch of gpus to keep me alive
chrome topaz
load up minecraft @cosmic saffron
simple ravine
Proof of Work is just one way of using a blockchain
chrome topaz
yeah? what are other ones?
simple ravine
Proof of Stake
chrome topaz
and that actually exists?
simple ravine
yes
delicate ore
lol, i'm glad i have notifications on for this channel
cool stuff just keeps getting posted
chrome topaz
because so far I haven't seen anything using it
anyway, that's not a use case
I'm more interested what kinda app you'd do with a blockchain
simple ravine
no, but it addresses one of your dislikes about blockchain
it's just the bitcoin implementation as far as I've seen, that you're not finding useful
chrome topaz
no, I think the whole idea is garbage
simple ravine
other than currency; voting, governance, contracts
simple ravine
Ethereum could be one implementation, there are other
chrome topaz
maybe when we are replaced by AI that make no mistakes, contracts would be a valid use
so far, it's absolute shit show
code is contract, except that people make mistakes all the time
simple ravine
heh.. your ranting doesn't bear much sense without any basis
chrome topaz
basis?
simple ravine
"it's a shitshow"... why?
chrome topaz
have you not seen ethereum?
code is immutable, code is law. except when there's a bug and we roll back the chain
simple ravine
I have. People think they can write contracts, and introduce bugs
chrome topaz
oh. remember that one, where $150 million just disappeared into thin air because of a bug in another contract?
simple ravine
the $40 million one as well
chrome topaz
got the number wrong lol
the problem is people think they can write bug free code
and obviously they cannot
simple ravine
the idea of it is what I like.
chrome topaz
so the idea of code is law is not sustainable
until we are replaced with bug less robots
but who's gonna write bug less robots
simple ravine
lol, what pill did u have for breakfast? give me some.
simple ravine
sigh.. ok
a) issue voting tokens to eligible voters.
b) these tokens can be used to cast a vote onto the blockchain
c) after voting period is over, you sum up the votes on the blockchain
chrome topaz
sounds great, I'm sure my grandma is gonna love this
simple ravine
lol, nice pivot in arguments
chrome topaz
how are you going to do privacy?
simple ravine
"There will be 5 computers in the world, one in each continent"
chrome topaz
I don't want anybody to know who I voted for
simple ravine
You seem like a somewhat bright guy, I'm sure you can think of a way pretty easily
delicate ore
oh @chrome topaz , i got two feature requests. one is the ability to name live searches (while also changing the window title to the search name). the other is a more detailed desktop notification when a new live search result appears (with the name of the search if applicable)
delicate ore
this way, the notification won't be as ambiguous as to which search got updated.
chrome topaz
you're also very bright, I'm sure you can think of a reason in which your solution won't work
simple ravine
The token issued wouldn't expose who you are publicly obviously
chrome topaz
oh I'm sure any blockchain problem can be solved by saying what to do, not how. the token won't leak your identity. the consensus algorithm won't draw lots of power. the technology will be usable by everybody computer illiterate and so on
simple ravine
Let's assume a political election.
- The office that governs the voting procedure will receive your 'public key hash, i.e. wallet address in some cases'. They pair this with your IRL identifier to make sure you're not issued duplicate tokens.
- You use your voting token to cast your vote.
chrome topaz
so the office knows who I voted for
simple ravine
they already do!
chrome topaz
not in my country
simple ravine
that's not what I am looking to solve with the blockchain though
it's not the primary usecase, the pseudo-anonymity is a side-effect
chrome topaz
I don't see how it's better than a paper ballot
delicate ore
if you could just show the title of the window in the live search desktop notification that would be fine too
simple ravine
it provides a way to prevent fraud in ballot offices
chrome topaz
voting should be done on paper IMO
simple ravine
i won't argue paper vs digital voting procedures, that's way too off-topic
chrome topaz
okay so back to your idea
how do you control they don't issue more tokens than they should have?
simple ravine
well, that's not part of the blockchain problem-solution.
chrome topaz
so then I'm not sure what upsides your solution has
simple ravine
what the blockchain provides in this case is prevention of tampering with data
chrome topaz
so far it seems to introduce a lot of technical issues for no reason
it's still possible to tamper with election results
but now you made it impossible for my grandma to understand what's going on when she votes
simple ravine
lol, let's leave grandma out of this
if the blockchain is publicly visible to everyone to observe, and consistency checked based on a decentralized consensus algorithm
i'm pretty sure that are a lot of countries that would benefit from this
chrome topaz
so what problem does it solve?
simple ravine
the user experience for the voters can be made extremely simple, as long as one would put some effort towards that
well, i don't really like to repeat myself
chrome topaz
me neither
it doesn't solve the problem of tampering with election results
so what's the point?
simple ravine
ok, why not?
simple ravine
well, that's not a problem introduced by the blockchain
chrome topaz
I thought the reason for introducing blockchain was to solve problems, not add them
one of the problems was tampering with results
but apparently all problems get split into "this is not a problem introduced by the blockchain" "this is a problem that could be solved without blockchain"
then what's the point?
simple ravine
and i'm going to assume we have a government that isn't going to fraud it's own country, rather having outside 'agents' tampering with voting offices around the country
chrome topaz
okay, if we trust our govt to do the right thing
simple ravine
and if we dont, we're fucked anyways, right?
chrome topaz
here's my proposed solution: govt makes a website where you enter your data, you vote on that website
simple ravine
and they get hacked on election night
what im saying is, even that website can use the blockchain as their backing store
chrome topaz
oh they get hacked? and I guess the mechanism distributing blockchain tokens can't get hacked?
simple ravine
to make sure their data is pristine
chrome topaz
so hackers can just issue more tokens and vote with them? or steal tokens?
simple ravine
I'm not saying that blockchain will solve all problems that exists. I'm saying it provides a solution for some problems.
chrome topaz
and I'm saying it solves literally none of the problems while adding them
simple ravine
so an immutable storage that is consensus verified with an algorithm is a bad thing.
ok
in its purset form, a blockchain is merely a distributed database
chrome topaz
no, blockchain is a bad thing
an immutable storage that is verified can be done as a git repo where you note the latest sha hash
simple ravine
no offense xyz, but im starting to doubt that you've done your research on how the blockchain actually works, technically
chrome topaz
I know how it works
simple ravine
okay then
chrome topaz
there is no reason for voting to be distributed
delicate ore
@timid hemlock can you add a toggle so that the list of uniques is ordered by the DPS increase they give to the current skill?
like for gems
chrome topaz
with a consensus algorithm
simple ravine
in my opinion there is a benefit to that
chrome topaz
which is?
simple ravine
no single point of failure
chrome topaz
you don't need blockchain for that
simple ravine
again, blockchain in its purest form is a decentralized database
there are obviously other solutions. yet again, it's 2017
there are lots of solutions
chrome topaz
the solution is any database with replication
simple ravine
🤦
chrome topaz
what's your problem?
simple ravine
replication doesn't mean it's decentralized
replication comes in two forms, right...
master-slave
master-master
chrome topaz
I still don't see any problems that your voting blockchain proposal solves
which paper ballots do not
chrome topaz
okay, then I don't see any problems it solves vs a government voting website
simple ravine
again; attack vector, single point of failure
chrome topaz
blockchain can get attacked too and attackers can issue tokens
timid hemlock
@delicate ore That;s quite an old suggestion, but at present the DPS calculation system isn't quite fast enough to allow it easily
chrome topaz
the "single point of failure" is going to be whatever office you have that issues these "voting tokens"
simple ravine
it can't issue tokens without the private key, that would be air-gapped
you can distribute/shard those private keys as well, even use hierarchical keys
delicate ore
@timid hemlock then how about this... ordering the Shared Items list that way.
timid hemlock
Plausible, as long as there aren't too many
chrome topaz
okay cool let's assume attackers can't issue tokens
what if I'm a citizen and got my private key stolen?
simple ravine
invalidate the token, get a new one
chrome topaz
so the government has a mapping of my public key to my identity somewhere
delicate ore
also i really think you should add it for the normal list anyway for those with fast pcs @timid hemlock . if it's opt-in it won't be a problem.
chrome topaz
on another blockchain I assume lmao
anyway I feel like this discussion isn't going anywhere so I retreat
timid hemlock
I have a fast PC, and it is too slow
chrome topaz
I promise to eat five proverbal hats when somebody finds a useful use for blockchain
timid hemlock
It can still be done asynchronously, but that's a little tricky to do
simple ravine
Well,that is a moot promise lol. You'd just deny you find it useful
But it's fine, we don't have to agree on everything. It's more fun that way anyways
chrome topaz
I'll eat one proverbal hat when I see a working proof-of-stake system or similar with low power consumption
simple ravine
Ethereum is moving to proof of stake.
EOS will be proof of stake.
DASH is proof of stake.
chrome topaz
we'll talk when they move then
delicate ore
@timid hemlock can you add a field in Calcs > General for Enemy Life so that we can get calcs for corpse explosions and stuff?
timid hemlock
That's already there
delicate ore
wha? where?
delicate ore
oh, what about for Gratuitous Violence, Obliteration and Inpulsa's?
timid hemlock
I don't support calculations for those yet
delicate ore
ok
chrome topaz
@simple ravine I looked up dash and it has miners for transactions, does not seem proof of stake to me
Due to the complexity and die size required to create an ASIC for mining x11, we expect that it will take considerably longer than it did in Bitcoin, allowing for hobbyists to take part in the mining for a longer period of time. We believe this is highly important for good distribution and growth of a cryptocurrency.
seems like a proof of work with different hash
simple ravine
yes, x11 is just 11 hash algorithms in combination with a large sample size
chrome topaz
I'll wait for ethereum one then
simple ravine
Bitmain made an ASIC miner for X11 (Dash etc) already
a lot of people in the cryptocurrency scene shouldn't be in it
much like a lot of people in the php scene shouldn't be doing programming at all
chrome topaz
I think proof of stake is impossible but we'll see
rather, any proof of stake impl, could be attacked at minimal cost
simple ravine
well, there are some brilliant minds in the scene as well
When I pay with my Amex / MC / Visa, intermediaries charge 2.9%
When I wire money from one account to my other bank, it takes 3 days and costs $35 per wire.
People who dont have access to banking can also leverage cryptocurrency, once it becomes stable and mature enough.
In my opinion, cryptocurrency is still in an experimental phase.
simple ravine
@obtuse citrus Is there a way to export the entire GGPK using PyPoE?
obtuse citrus
write to disk?
obtuse citrus
just export via the ui or extract the root to a specific location when programming
simple ravine
unfortunately the UI won't work with my 3.6 installation, so I'm bound to the CLI
obtuse citrus
oh yeah
simple ravine
the CLI as far as I can discern will not let me extract the entire GGPK.
am i mistaken?
obtuse citrus
didnt add a command for that no, but youi ican just ope nthe python shell and do it
it's fairly trivial
simple ravine
right, i just wanted to benchmark mine against the gold standard so to speak
obtuse citrus
it's not very fast because of certain overheads I can tell you that lol
I'll probably add a c/c++ plugin for it eventually
simple ravine
ok
mine exports it roughly as fast as it takes to delete the folder afterwards (1 minute 40 seconds on my machine)
just wanted to make sure i'm at least in the ballpark where it should be
simple ravine
okay. well I'll defeintely put this on github once it's cleaned up a bit
seems fairly quick
obtuse citrus
anyway:
from PyPoE.poe.file.ggpk import GGPKFile
ggpk = GGPKFile()
ggpk.read('path/to/ggpk')
root = ggpk.directory_build()
root.extract_to('path/to/out')
simple ravine
oh nice, that looks clean
is there a convenient way to add a stopwatch around the execution in Python?
obtuse citrus
there are several ways I personally prefer to just take time before and after
import time
t = time.time()
print(time.time() -t)
put the last after the code
simple ravine
ah, thank you
obtuse citrus
good enough for general testing, for profiling there are other things
simple ravine
I saw that you added some code for fetching content from the update cdn
that could be an interesting scenario for server based applications to keep data updated
lol, your code takes exactly the same amount of time.
not bad.
obtuse citrus
probably bound by OS i/o
simple ravine
looks like CPU actually, because it's not using my disks full potential
i wish there was a way to tell the OS kernel to copy a section of a file to a new file
that'd be amazing
gritty olive
you could write some C++ CUDA code to make it run on the GPU no?
mortal bone
with known offsets you can thread data loading pretty easy
simple ravine
that would just make it slower - reason being the transfering between the GPU and the CPU would have to go from the kernel, into userspace memory and then through the PCIe lane, and then back
simple ravine
well I'm using a single Stream in my case (reading from the GGPK)
but I could probably create a pool of Streams
gritty olive
Yeah, was wondering about the processing part
simple ravine
in my case the CPU is the bottleneck
gritty olive
If that's being done by the CPU
simple ravine
I have 2 x Samsung 960 EVO NVMe in Raid 0 with 3000+ MB in write throughput
gritty olive
Yeah but you don't want to wear out the read/write caps
mortal bone
shouldn't be writing too much to the disk
simple ravine
depends on what type of disk you have.
if you have an SSD, threaded writes is just beneficial
spinning rust, the other way around
mortal bone
I need to get an ssd
mortal bone
yeah today/monday
mortal bone
I currently have a WD VelociRaptor 1TB which has worked well enough
simple ravine
I can't recommend 960 evo nvme enough
simple ravine
mortal bone
I know a lot of people that use those
simple ravine
SATA is just hard-capped at around 550 MB/s
mortal bone
not sure how many extra pci-e slots I have
simple ravine
what chipset / cpu do you have?
mortal bone
Ryzen-1700x
simple ravine
ah, i heard those has plenty of lanes
mortal bone
I could just bend down and look
simple ravine
well, your motherboard probably has at least 1 m.2 slot
chrome topaz
simple ravine
@chrome topaz yeah, that's a good feature linux has indeed, no need to copy the data from kernel memory space to userspace
simple ravine
so if you want to raid it like I did, you gotta check if your motherboard support Intel Rapid Storage Technology's equivalent from AMD
mortal bone
don't really care much about raid
I have hard disk backups of everything
also don't need the speed
simple ravine
nah I use Raid 0 for perf
chrome topaz
it's not really copying from kernel to user
mortal bone
ah
simple ravine
@chrome topaz sendfile2 circumvents that, is what i meant
chrome topaz
even read() or write()
mortal bone
what use is sendfile here?
chrome topaz
pretty sure they work staight on user memory
mortal bone
it is copied within the kernel
simple ravine
got any source saying that?
simple ravine
oh, nah I mean read() and write()
mortal bone
ohhh
simple ravine
if you programmatically buffer it in c/c++/python/whatever
it goes disk->kernel->user->[ur code]->user->kernel->disk
mortal bone
read and write are done in the user space
Yeah, I am aware of the linux structure. My entire schooling was done in/ontop of the kernel
simple ravine
then we're finally in an agreement, lol
mortal bone
I think I was confused at the conversation. I missed a message somewhere
simple ravine
I want a CopyFileEx that takes offset and length as parameters
chrome topaz
i'm not sure i think it's an obvious optimization
simple ravine
you'd getting rid of the data being copied from kernel to userspace and back, which is a pretty big portion of the task, especially when Disk I/O isn't the bottleneck, rather the CPU
chrome topaz
you can get this behavior if you open a file with O_DIRECT
simple ravine
doesn't O_DIRECT just circumvent the OS file cache?
chrome topaz
"File I/O is done directly to/from user-space buffers. "
simple ravine
hmm, let me see if .NET has a flag in the FileStream to indicate this
chrome topaz
it also disables cache so
sendfile's gonna be faster anyway
also, I was talking about linux, just fyi
simple ravine
oh
chrome topaz
i dunno about windows
chrome topaz
is CopyFileEx even a syscall?
chrome topaz
it looks like it's just doing read/write itself
so it won't help if they add offset/length
simple ravine
Copies an existing file to a new file, notifying the application of its progress through a callback function.
chrome topaz
yeah
simple ravine
so the kernel would do it without copying the data into userspace
chrome topaz
it's probably implemented in user mode
because i don't see any copy functions in windows syscall table
chrome topaz
especially considering it's got a callback function and a bool pointer
what does "kernel32.dll" mean?
simple ravine
It's a Windows kernel library
it allows you to tell the operating system to do things
like copy files
simple ravine
uhm
you use it to create OS threads, OS completion ports etc
it's just an interface to access windows functionality
chrome topaz
yes
simple ravine
the call themselves are then executed in the kernel, not in your application
chrome topaz
which call?
simple ravine
im not sure why i get into these repetetive discussions...
chrome topaz
it's also annoying for me when i have to explain that kernel32.dll run in userspace
simple ravine
Sure, I agree that the actual DLL is loaded into user-space.
chrome topaz
just for fun, i wrote up a tiny program calling CopyFile and traced syscalls
simple ravine
However, I am pretty sure the kernel is involved in copying the file. You can observe how the System process consume quite a lot of CPU time when streaming files using the .NET APIs for an example (which in turn uses underlying windows APIs)
gritty olive
chrome topaz
for a 407MB file it did 408 NtReadFile syscalls and 6517 NtWriteFile syscalls
so i think that's it
which is funny because I expected it to at least call write and read same number of times
chrome topaz
yeah
if you're worried about performance, you should see how much crap that function does
simple ravine
u running windows 10?
chrome topaz
yeah but I tested it on 7 because syscall tracer broke on 10
chrome topaz
I dunno I don't normally do low level dev on windows
if you pass COPY_FILE_NO_BUFFERING to CopyFileEx, it does same number of reads and writes, 408
simple ravine
what's interesting is that I have a far better performance using a 4K read buffer than a larger one
chrome topaz
what size buffer have you tested?
chrome topaz
is that using windows ReadFile?
simple ravine
it's using .net core's APIs and whatever it's using
chrome topaz
it could be using its own caching layer
simple ravine
i wouldn't think so, but i would have to double check
chrome topaz
what's the API called?
chrome topaz
that's usually alright, but it depends how they use it
the buffer's useful so that when you spam Read(1 byte) it doesn't constantly call the API
if (!CanSeek || (destination.Length >= _bufferLength))
{
n = ReadNative(destination);
// Throw away read buffer.
_readPos = 0;
_readLength = 0;
return n;
}
it doesn't use the internal buffer for large reads
i think that's enough looking at microsoft code for today for me
simple ravine
haha
simple ravine
D:\Code\PoeSharp\src\PoeSharp.Playground>build && run
D:\Code\PoeSharp\src\PoeSharp.Playground>dotnet publish -c Release -f netcoreapp2.1 -r win10-x64 -o bin\pub\ -v q
Microsoft (R) Build Engine version 15.5.178.35674 for .NET Core
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
D:\Code\PoeSharp\src\PoeSharp.Playground>bin\pub\PoeSharp.Playground
Reading GGPK File...
GGPK File parsed... 1,535.93 ms
Extracting GGPK Contents...
Elapsed total time: 56,663.77 ms
well, i'm pretty happy with that.
tropic shuttle
what happens with the other 55 seconds?
simple ravine
yeah, unfortunately it was a threading issue
we're back to around 100 seconds for the 8GB file (ggpk => individual files)
i think the issue with maximizing disk's potential is bottlenecking around a single source
simple ravine
@pseudo ocean mine's faster
oh wait, there must be something special with this one
I'm seriously buying 2 of these and raid 0 em
pseudo ocean
haha
simple ravine
i got 2 samsung 960 nvme in raid 0 now
but this seems to be faster with smaller files
and.. most files are smaller.
ah it's 4K reads are super fast for some reason
pseudo ocean
the optane is really nice for cache
simple ravine
well 2 x 480 GB is good enough for me
for OS drive
omg that random access speed
why did u have to tell me about the 900P coming out lol
pseudo ocean
it's already out?
simple ravine
yeah
pseudo ocean
came in october I think
simple ravine
yep, it's out even here in Sweden
$600 USD
if I knew this when I was in LA last week, argh
it's $850 in sweden
pseudo ocean
6990 yep
simple ravine
I bought these two 960s like a month or so ago
gonna make my fiance a desktop pc in a while, so i'll give her the samsung ones and upgrade to 900Ps then I guess
pseudo ocean
lol
simple ravine
omg resharper, y u so slow
simple ravine
@hushed relic Hey bud... I just installed PoE and found my assassin ts/signal fire build had its tree reset
iirc, you have some experience with TS
haven't played in months, and forgot how my tree looked like, any tips?
tropic shuttle
anyone in here running poecraft.com?
delicate ore
@timid hemlock Outmatch and Outlast isn't applying to the Physical Damage portion of Poison
Mark confirmed that bonuses to Physical Damage will apply to the portion of Physical Damage in Poison
the other modifiers to generic Physical Damage aren't applying either
delicate ore
"In addition, cases where base damage of one type can cause a damaging ailment that deals a different type of damage will be treated similarly to conversion with regard to damage modifiers.
This means that if you have the unique item "The Three Dragons", so that you Ignite with Cold Damage, rather than Fire Damage, when hitting an enemy with Cold Damage, the hit will be affected by Cold Damage modifiers, while the resulting Ignite will be affected by modifiers to Cold or Fire Damage, because it's dealing Fire Damage from base Cold Damage - this is pretty much the same as converting damage from Cold to Fire, such as with the support gem."
timid hemlock
@delicate ore I believe you are quite mistaken
It definitely does apply, and in fact the program's Ailment system is quite specifically designed to allow such modifiers to apply
delicate ore
it's not showing in the calcs, i mean
timid hemlock
Where, exactly?
timid hemlock
the Total More output can only show modifiers that apply to all Poison damage
for the type-specific modifiers, look in the breakdowns for Physical/Chaos source damage
delicate ore
yeah, i kind of figured that was a possbility, you would need to make a breakdown like in Skill Hit Damage to show it all
also, you may or may not be able to answer this but...
@spare delta said the opposite of what the guy in the comments said, but do you have any insight
timid hemlock
Hmm
AFAIK they aren't counted as skills in the usual sense
They may be considered to be skill effects though
delicate ore
how do they work exactly? are they triggered on death like COMK?
timid hemlock
Pretty much
delicate ore
so they're technically skills
timid hemlock
No
They are just effects that occur when you kill enemies under the correct conditions
delicate ore
ok, i think i get it
but... skill modifiers apply to them =/
what about my example case. might volkour's guidance work with inpulsa's broken heart?
timid hemlock
I'd be mighty surprised
Things that work on "Lightning Skills" or "Chaos Skills" specifically apply to active skills that posess the corresponding skill type
delicate ore
yeah
timid hemlock
But those on-death explosions don't actually have a skill associated with them
delicate ore
well there are two conditions in which it might work
timid hemlock
Like, there's no skill anywhere in the data files for Gratuitous Violence
delicate ore
if volkours actually works with all lightning damage, or if the explosion is considered a lightning skill for that purpose
oh
maybe not then
let me test volkour's then. might be hope
if not the build will still be pretty good, with 250% of mob life for the explosion as opposed to the 400%+
simple ravine
I just found something c# can't do, and I'm disappointed.
public static unsafe T To<T>(this byte[] buf) where T: struct
{
fixed (byte* b = &buf[0])
return *(T*)b;
}
argh.
if anyone know an allocation-free way of converting bytes into primitives like this in a generic way, i'd appreciate it
mortal bone
What issue are you running into here? Unsafe should allow you to do that conversation
simple ravine
public static unsafe int ToInt32(this byte[] buf)
{
fixed (byte* b = &buf[0])
{
return *(int*) b;
}
}
this works.
the issue I am getting is that it will not get the size of a generic T struct
return *(T*)b; <- that won't work.
mortal bone
Oh, I see
simple ravine
I found a "workaround", but it's not allocation free, and it's slow
mortal bone
Yeah, you have to increment the pointer
simple ravine
public static unsafe T To<T>(this byte[] buf) where T : struct
{
fixed (byte* b = &buf[0])
{
T result = default(T);
var resultRef = __makeref(result);
var resultPtr = (byte*)*((IntPtr*)&resultRef);
for (int i = 0; i < result.SizeOf(); ++i)
{
resultPtr[i] = b[i];
}
return result;
}
}
ugly as f***
mortal bone
Would be easier just to marshal a ptr
simple ravine
yeah, but in comparison that's also slow
I guess in this case, it's better to just create ToInt32, ToInt64 etc
mortal bone
Marshal.PtrToStructure((IntPtr)b, typeof(T)); for reference
Kind of sucks that it won't let you cast the generic since it gets compiled down to the same code...
simple ravine
gotta box it
return (T)Marshal.PtrToStructure((IntPtr)b, typeof(T));
let me try this and see how fast I can get it with [MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.AggressiveInlining)]
mortal bone
Oh, whoops yeah
Honestly, you may be able to allocate a block of memory ahead of time and just use it as a pool
mortal bone
Yeah, you are relying on the os to memory manage lol
Why are you converting so much?
simple ravine
reading .dat files
mortal bone
Oh, ok
simple ravine
just want it as fast as possible
and my unsafe ToInt32 is twice as fast as BitConverter.ToInt32(bytes, 0)
mortal bone
You aren't doing any null checks and what not
simple ravine
not in the conversion code itself, no
mortal bone
Also, I am pretty sure ToInt32 does some stuff with rounding
simple ravine
[MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.AggressiveInlining)]
public static unsafe uint ToUInt32(this Span<byte> buf)
{
fixed (byte* b = &buf[0])
return *(uint*)b;
}
this?
sorry that was the UInt version, but same same
mortal bone
This is your implementation yeah?
simple ravine
indeed
mortal bone
It is annoying because these all have the same structure that could be boiled down to a generic...
simple ravine
they've improved the code in .net core
duh
here it is
Unsafe.ReadUnaligned<>
public static unsafe T To<T>(this Span<byte> buf)
{
fixed (byte* b = &buf[0])
return Unsafe.ReadUnaligned<T>(b);
}
int t = 64;
var b = BitConverter.GetBytes(t).AsSpan();
int e = 0;
var sw = Stopwatch.StartNew();
for (int x = 0; x < 10_000_000; ++x)
{
e = b.To<int>();
}
Console.WriteLine(sw.ElapsedMilliseconds);
6 ms, yay 😄
mortal bone
Oh nice
simple ravine
heh, fun how much faster .net core 2.1 is over 2.0
finding the data separator 0xbbBBbbBBbbBBbbBB in the Mods.dat 10 00 times, finishes in 700 ms on .NET Core 2.0 and in 558 ms in .NET Core 2.1 preview
tropic shuttle
@simple ravine are you taking another shot at the affix solver?
simple ravine
i might indeed
just refactoring the code I already have first, and introducing code to read directly from the ggpk file instead of pre-processed json files
were you able to do it with Elixir/Erlang, @tropic shuttle?
chrome topaz
i'm curious to see your code and rewrite it in C and see how much faster i can get
any chance it's gonna be open source at some point?
tropic shuttle
@simple ravine yes
I used the spawn_weights annotations to do an intermediate layer for items by type, cache , and solve items with that subset of mods
Had to cross reference the data in stat_translations
Cache types were each of the accessories, each of the weapon types (inc scepter, rapier) and each of the armor types Cartesian product with the attribute stats
Ie, gloves_str_dex
So each item type was under ~40 groups (as you might expect from poeaffix etc)
Solution space is tiny, lightning quick
@chrome topaz code is a mess right now, if there is interest I can clean it up and publish it, maybe tackle it again next league
chrome topaz
geez
tropic shuttle
But as I mentioned to thezensei before, there’s multiple solutions. Integrating highest probability was a good idea for a second pass at it
torpid mesa
i keep getting 302 errors and have to go to pastebin.com and do a captcha
and then wait like 5 minutes
then i can use pob pastebins again
then it happens again lol
simple ravine
@chrome topaz sure, knock yourself out
simple ravine
@tropic shuttle yeah, I did the same thing.
Basically I take reverse-translate them into stats (separate stat and values), find what mods that contains these stats in the base type
mortal bone
lost wigeon
@mortal bone Thanks for sharing!
mortal bone
There have been a few talks about this sort of stuff here, so I figured it might strike up some conversation
wind garden
Is .net Core 2.1 out?
mortal bone
it is in preview right now
simple ravine
the new Span<T> and Memory<T> have some special treatment in .net 2.1 which makes it lucrative for most people to hop onto 2.1 when it's stable
delicate ore
what happened to Vagan's Unarmed Damage craft mod? Was it removed from the game?
simple ravine
@obtuse citrus, any idea why I'm getting this:
PyPoE.poe.file.specification.errors.SpecificationError: <ERRORS.RUNTIME_ROWSIZE_MISMATCH: 3002>: "ItemVisualIdentity.dat": Specification row size 170 vs real size 166```specification is outdated
or your client because for some reason I dont get the error when testing against the current version
hazy fog
all heil xyz
compact isle
poe.trade premium is gonna make a killing
chrome topaz
get your tin foil cap on, what if I made all these snipe tools to cause a lot of load on GGG api and make them restrict it
if somebody was to post it, this wouldn't even be the dumbest thing I read on poe subreddit
simple ravine
bohoo, our game gets popular, our servers are crying.
how are people thinking sniping will be less of a problem with whitelisted sites?
you'll just create a community site, and grab the data off there instead
lost wigeon
@hazy fog Well this got out of hand
@compact isle Did this really cause any strain on your servers?
obtuse citrus
it's essentially like DDoSing if enough people use the api
compact isle
@lost wigeon not yet, no. We're monitoring it
lost wigeon
@compact isle I'm also checking with Google Analytics. While many people commented on the thread, the amount of people actually using the tool (about 28 right now) is lower than during Legacy or Harbinger.
simple ravine
@lost wigeon Well if they restrict it, you could always create a server and IFTTT-websocket the results to the users 😉
lost wigeon
@simple ravine Yeah totally, I was thinking about doing something like this.
simple ravine
I would want to create one of those services, and have an open API to it
and have the community pitch in a little for the server costs - obviously the bandwidth costs will be, uh.. slightly extensive in the case the app becomes hugely popular.
I'm gonna do some pondering on that one.. hmm
chrome topaz
"community pitch in a little" yeah that won't work
simple ravine
the always-positive xyz 😉
chrome topaz
have you looked at reddit?
people are complaining that they are only getting ONE free hat
simple ravine
those aren't the ones i am expecting to pitch in
chrome topaz
if you make a service, people will see that it adds latency and switch to something else
I think the real solution is to make the API private and only give it to trusted people such as myself
simple ravine
of course you would say that
that'd secure your profits pretty nicely, instead of democratizing the utility
chrome topaz
free will is a myth, democracy is a joke
chrome topaz
excuse me, the unfair monopoly
hazy fog
xyz irl
pseudo ocean
poeapp* 🤔
winter fossil
Yeah, it's about time for it to exist imo
It only requires a complete rewrite in order to keep the performance on devices good, and it's still far from finished. Still tho, progress c:
deft jolt
telia, nice
mortal bone
@winter fossil what language?
winter fossil
JavaScript written to an ES6+ standard. Also planning to include WebGL to enhance the rendering, but that's for a later build.
jaunty briar
@simple ravine is there a release of poesharp somewhere?
gritty olive
lol @ people wanting whitelisted sites
mortal bone
whitelisting is fine if they have a proper process for applying
gritty olive
in my experience it never ends well and ends up destroying the ecosystem
But I mean, I haven't been working on an API Marketplace for the past 6 years
mortal bone
To be honest, it isn't hard for them to see who is killing the api.
Also having people register their applications wouldn't be bad. Not a whitelist, but something like an api key
gritty olive
It really should have caching
mortal bone
hard to do because it calcs the difference differently for everyone
gritty olive
Yeah having OAuth Applications would be a good idea
There is a company that does differential caching
Cloudflare
It's their new service they announced during AWS
Or at least their solutions engineer told me while I was at AWS
mortal bone
that is pretty cool
gritty olive
Railgun compresses previously uncacheable web objects up to 99.6% by leveraging techniques similar to those used in the compression of high-quality video. This results in an average 200% additional performance increase.
mortal bone
I don't think the api is in a format in which this would be helpful
gritty olive
It should work with any format is what I was told, my company offers a similar solution or at least the enterprise variant does
simple ravine
@jaunty briar it will be soon
delicate ore
what's poesharp?
simple ravine
it has domain logic around mods, stats, items and stashes as well, but yeah
it's a library with domain logic that can be reused in your applications revolving poe
simple ravine
that's the plan
well, parsing mods is a tricky thing - but parsing stats, 100% yes
deft jolt
chrome topaz
i see what's going on
compact isle
@chrome topaz @polar island we'll be adding support for a "~skip" item note to the client / our trade website for 3.1.0 btw
mortal bone
why have a skip?
compact isle
for individual items in a public stash tab
use case was letting you use your currency tab as public for listing stock
mortal bone
^
that could be a lot of data that is pretty useless
I would assume that to be the case since they have the ability to have speciail mods
compact isle
the ~skip option will only be on individual items
I'll check the frameType stuff now
no new frame type
mortal bone
how are they differentiated?
compact isle
shaped items will have a "shaper": true property, elder ones will have "elder": true
mortal bone
.>
mortal bone
ffs
compact isle
?
mortal bone
that is just a ton of bloat in the api
compact isle
they only appear if they're true
so no, not really
frameType is specifically for frames, not for anything else
mortal bone
wouldn't you create a 'backgroundType' then
compact isle
because they do more than alter the background?
mortal bone
just seems oddly not expandable
compact isle
it's more likely that the data / visual formats get split than we add another influence to the atlas
yeah they actually change their frames
I know it's not very useful for determining the item class/type
that kind of thing is definitely on my mind
compact isle
because it's specfically for skipping indexing
mortal bone
you are banking on people honoring the tag
what about private indexers?
people are going to be pissed when they get a whisper about an item they aren't selling
compact isle
yes, then the people buying will complain to the private indexer creators
mortal bone
mmm, I doubt that
compact isle
sure okay
mortal bone
they will first complain about it to the indexers, and when it doesn't stop, they will complain to you guys
compact isle
yeah sorry, I keep thinking of the stash tab api in terms of how we use it for the trade site
but it works differently for the actual api
so ~skip items not being in the river will be fine
mortal bone
it would just look like an empty tab if there was a full tab of ~skip
compact isle
yep, and there's nothing wrong with an empty tab as long as it still has it's details
easy
chrome topaz
cool
mortal bone
thanks man
mortal bone
also keeps everyone honest
simple ravine
hehehehe
wind garden
@simple ravine will you be making a nuget package for poesharp?
simple ravine
@wind garden yeah if there's enough interest
the library code will be open sourced as well
wind garden
I was just thinking about the changes Novynn mentioned earlier. It's kind of a pain to have to update my code every new league because of this stuff. Buf if it were as simple as updating a nuget package, would be nice. Assuming you keep it up to date 😃
simple ravine
Accepting pull requests ™
mortal bone
open sourced
simple ravine
?
delicate ore
it's going to available in .h/.lib/.dll form though right, in addition to whatever c# has
simple ravine
nuget is a package manager that will allow you to reference the compiled bits, indeed. @delicate ore
delicate ore
i mean, i might want to use it in a c++ project
simple ravine
right, not sure how that'll work out for you, but i'm pretty sure that can work
delicate ore
i can just write a wrapper for it, i guess
simple ravine
there's some project out there that allows you to reference c# libraries from c++ with convenience
not sure how good it is, though
i haven't written c++ since college (a long time ago)
trying to figure out a bug in the dat parser right now, with ref|list|ulong giving me 0xbbBbbBBbbBBbbBB
once that's done, i'll make a Mods/Stats loader based on that data, instead of RePoE json which the old code used
after that I'll be ready to push this to github for initial review
inner sundial
Hey guys
I rly want to start a project based on poe community around a site web.
Any idea ?
pseudo ocean
hey guys I'm having problems with acquisition not showing items on Poe.trade
I followed a video's instructions exactly (got the link from poexyzis and the shop thread from the forums) Please help me find out why my items aren't showing
hazy fog
@chrome topaz ^
chrome topaz
I noticed that people who have problem with my software also usually have issues describing their problems ie not providing stuff like thread number / search URL / screenshots / etc; wonder if there's a correlation
hazy fog
harsh ecks why zed
inner sundial
at least his nickname is quite describing ! "LF help with acquisition"
tropic shuttle
seems like the "shaper" : true and "elder": true properties are "consistent" with the corrupted property change that got discussed a week or two back
which was more or less what i was expecting
even so @compact isle maybe worth consider moving those nullary properties to a tag list or something, to keep the api purists happy 😉
simple ravine
enum flags would be a decent choice
public enum Stuff
{
Corrupted = 1,
Shaper = 2,
Elder = 4,
SomethingElse = 8,
AnotherThing = 16
}
i'm surprised Identified hasn't made the list yet
simple ravine
that way, you can do
item.flags = Stuff.Corrpupted | Stuff.Shaper
but who cares, ingress is normally free. it's their egress that is going to bloat up
chrome topaz
they should just pipe their db into my server
all that overhead of converting item from binary to json representation
tropic shuttle
if they keep a sliding window cache of the head of the river and find a way to syncronize clients...
then theoretically there could be massive performance improvements / savings
simple ravine
the stash api is a dumpster fire
tropic shuttle
no point in ragging on it. just find ways to improve it
chrome topaz
I think you mistyped the most beautiful thing ever
simple ravine
I just gave a pretty decent improvement suggestion, didnt I?
tropic shuttle
it's a crystal clear flow of tranquility through a wasteland of of forgotten toys and atziri axes of yesteryear
simple ravine
If I knew who's in charge of the river API, I'd send him a book on event sourcing 🙂
chrome topaz
if you think the stash tab api is bad you should've seen the online api (either one)
simple ravine
either way, im getting my unlimited full-duplex 1 Gbps fiber connection installed this week, it'll be fine
misty merlin
@compact isle I've read the talks about the stash API and the shaper and elder props. Do you know if those are also shown/indicated on the item data copied ingame via ctrl + c? Would suck for itemInfo/TradeMacro and some other tools if not.
lost wigeon
@compact isle I'm gonna upload a new version of my tool tomorrow using socket.io to serve chunks from my poe-rates backend instead of having everyone download its individual version of the chunks.
hazy fog
can your backend sustain the hits
lost wigeon
@hazy fog I'm not sure, but they're currently not too many people using the tool (approx. 20), so it shouldn't be too bad.
hazy fog
the problem with open source software is you can't kill it when you discover it's horrendously bad 🤔
lost wigeon
Yeah, sure people can fork it but it still depends on my backend somehow (item price stats, currency conversion) which is not open-source.
hazy fog
oh, good
delicate ore
good to hear, those mobile trees have terrible performance
im surprised the mobile trees don't use grid spatial indexing to handle the image performance
winter fossil
The way GGG decided to draw each node is based of groups that each have a cluster of nodes, from that they calculate the position of each node in that group on each full draw. Had to scrap that idea
I've only mapped each node's position to a tile at init, and if that tile is within bounds it will draw the associated nodes. Works ok for now.
But I still feel like I'm going to do some heavy optimization. The Sony xperia that I got draws in ~200 ms when zoomed out to 0.08. But then again, where should I even set a benchmark of what devices should run it well?
delicate ore
yeah, your approach is grid spatial indexing
or at least a simple version of it, you can find the pattern in the ebook "Game Programming Patterns", i think
winter fossil
Yeah, I google it and sounded a bit more advanced than what I've done haha
compact isle
@polar island that's a spoiler
@tropic shuttle yes it's not the best 😅
@misty merlin I can check that now
chrome topaz
are you using webgl?
oh, so it's canvas?
webgl should make it pretty fast because you basically will have static buffers for vertices
and you just move the camera
tropic shuttle
@compact isle I’m not complaining too loudly tbh. It’s easy to go off the rails with api purity and end up with stuff like soap or odata
winter fossil
@chrome topaz Yeah, the plan is to include it at some point.
chrome topaz
kinda makes me want to finish my pob webgl port
winter fossil
^^
wind garden
@simple ravine I haven't been up to date with what you're working on besides your poesharp lib. Do you run an indexer or something that uses insane bandwidth?
gritty olive
I don't see why the tree would be slow 🤔 it's pretty simple
The majority of it's contents is static, the highlight is the only dynamic portion
mortal bone
because canvas is slow af
it doesn't handle images very well
when I was messing around with some prototypes the basic drawing of a circle for nodes was super fast
compact isle
@misty merlin it'll have "Shaper Item" or "Elder Item" after the Mirrored/Corrupted/Relic lines
inner sundial
Guys, sorry if this question already been asked but I just was wondering if there's something that gather all informations about PoE API and how to use it ?
Do you have to be in relation with GGG ?
simple ravine
PyPoE will help you out.
smoky temple
@inner sundial
Official documentation: https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/api-resources
And if you want some further information you can look into: https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API
inner sundial
Thanks @smoky temple
smoky temple
@inner sundial glad i could help
misty merlin
@compact isle Thanks for checking!
hazy fog
taking bets: the trade api change is just going to mention elder:true/shaped:true etc
no other change
wind garden
any of you guys use angular?
waxen ridge
keen lichen
angular FTW
simple ravine
isn't angular terribly slow?
keen lichen
Haha, no. I mean I'm an angular dev so I'm like no, go angular! It has it's problem but speed isn't one of them. However, React dev's would rant at me about how slow it is and the dirty checking and so on and so forth. It's like windows vs linux or consol vs pc.
simple ravine
That's like comparing apples to oranges.
keen lichen
they are both fruits and they are both round?
simple ravine
Slow isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Either it is, or it isn't
Prefering Windows over Linux or vice versa is an opinion.
keen lichen
slow is a relative. You don't think your 50mbs internet is slow but me who is used to 150mbs think it's slow.
keen lichen
but slow in what way? Slow on page load? Slow on processing time? Slow on response? Slow how? When? Not every project is going to need 'speed' in the same spot or in the same way and not every tech stack provides 'speed' in the same spot or the same way.
keen lichen
Hmmm, so my React (I'm just using angular and react because they're the two I'm most familiar with) experience is llimited to hobby code but the preformance between angular and react in that regard is negligible at least in the situations I would use either technology. If it appears instantaneous to the user then it's fine.
keen lichen
Ah, that was just in response to the 'any of you guys use angular?' I don't usually just run around shouting 'ANGULAR IS WIN' whether or not I feel that way.
simple ravine
I'm almost disappointed. I thought you'd fight harder for it 😄
keen lichen
Oh I mean I could fight 'til I'm blue in the face about why angular is the be-all end-all but I also like plenty of other languages and am willing to recognizes strengths and weaknesses in every language. Except PHP, php can go die.
keen lichen
oh man now we're talking angularJS vs angular
simple ravine
so when other mvvm frameworks perform better than angular, it is the fualt of the javascript vm
mortal bone
they are the same thing, just renamed lol
gilded herald
And if it is sheer pageload speed you're after there is a lot of optimization that angular really likes having with webpack
mortal bone
you can't say 'angular' without a number
keen lichen
Yes you can Emmitt... now it's AngularJS or just Angular because Angular 2 and Angular 4 and Angular 5 (that just came out last month) are all now just called 'Angular'
simple ravine
normally when you discuss performance with mvvm frameworks, it's the element manipulation that that the mvvm engine is responsible for
simple ravine
sure, however - some frameworks are faster than others achieving the same goal
keen lichen
Page load speed with angular is a pretty common complaint that I hear and my reaction to that is always that's a devs fault, there are lots of ways to fix that.
simple ravine
I'm refering to UI/UX in SPAs
mortal bone
https://jsperf.com/jquery-vs-javascript-performance-comparison/22
fun comparison between pure js and jquery (which angular uses for dom manipulation)
simple ravine
jQuery being slow is super old news lol
mortal bone
yes, so there is no way angular is going to be fast lol
there is too much overhead for it to be faster than (in 90% of cases) pure js
simple ravine
i7 7700K 4.7 Ghz
chrome topaz
oh well i guess webkit's js is just way faster at getelementbyid
woeful sphinx
simple ravine
interesting
mortal bone
simple ravine
mortal bone
class selection in js seems slow
oh they are using querySelector...
getElementsByClassName should be used
simple ravine
well to be fair, $('.bye') is a query selector
it might short-circuit the full-fledged query selector in a smart by detecting if the query is a simple class
lol:
mortal bone
what...
wind garden
what's the deal with angular versioning though? I've just been getting into it recently and I can't really tell what is the most commonly used version
simple ravine
hmm, or not. now i can't reproduce the Infinity result
wind garden
normally I'd use the latest but because of all the dependence on other npm packages, version can make a huge difference
simple ravine
off-topic, anyone into Ubiquiti hardware?
wind garden
my coworker swears by it
simple ravine
yeah, my devops employee too
i'm just contemplating between EdgeRouter vs Unifi Gateway + Unifi Switch
because I'm going to get a Unifi AP AC-HD for my wifi
but i hear EdgeRouter > Unifi USG/Switch
but I'm not sure
mortal bone
for a home setup?
mortal bone
ah ok
wind garden
for some context, the coworker of mine that swears by them is a principal engineer working on 5g wireless technology
so that's his credentials
wind garden
nice
simple ravine
and he said don't go cisco
wind garden
ya
simple ravine
too expensive with licensing
mortal bone
cisco is a pain in my ass
wind garden
he really likes the "enterprise quality with a consumer price" thing
this discussion all came up with the whole wifi vulnerability thing
simple ravine
i just want the latency not to drop when there are packets flying all around
wind garden
he went out and bought a ubiquiti router and loves it
simple ravine
yaknow, fiance starts those 4K netflix streams, kid goes youtubin'
pseudo ocean
yeah, rip my currently 50mbit internet for that
😂
1 youtube = takes the entire bandwidth for 1 second
lag spikes.
mortal bone
with unifi you have to get the whole product line.
edgerouter you can fit into your current network
simple ravine
no, you don't have to, but it's beneficial
mortal bone
true
pseudo ocean
I'm setting up 6 google wifis around the house + asus RT-AC88U router
simple ravine
google wifis?
inner sundial
does that mean that we have to stop using jQuery ? 😛
simple ravine
google doing wifi hardware now?
pseudo ocean
ye boi
mortal bone
Looking at the interfaces, if you perfer GUI may as well go with Unifi
@inner sundial you can do everything jquery does in pure js lol
wind garden
Unifi gets better with multiple units but doesn't require it
since it uses MU-MIMO
so you could get one unit and if you like it, get a 2nd
and have uber wifi coverage and speed
simple ravine
if your client devices support MU-MIMO yea
pseudo ocean
simple ravine
I'm skeptical, of those heh
delicate ore
i think my company might be ubiquiti dealers, need to check
simple ravine
well, unless you're in sweden..
delicate ore
there are dealers in america, i think
pseudo ocean
komplett? 🤔
delicate ore
we're in the home automation business
simple ravine
Dustin
wind garden
you can get them on newegg
wind garden
are you in sweden?
delicate ore
ah i see
simple ravine
lol, yeah @wind garden why else would I want them from Sweden?
wind garden
ya looks like Dustin and Avantis are your options
simple ravine
They have them in a few other online stores too
wind garden
maybe you have a 2nd home in sweden that you're temporarily visiting? 😃
pseudo ocean
komplett also sells it looks like
simple ravine
u in sweden or norway, alex?
pseudo ocean
norway
simple ravine
gotcha
pseudo ocean
getting my 500/500 later this month 😄
simple ravine
they're installing the client node tomorrow morning
yea, it's gonna be around 980 SEK for 1 Gbps / 1 Gbps
simple ravine
yeah, swedish broadband infrastucture development was incentivized by the government, so i guess the price and openess of the fiber stuff is really good around here
pseudo ocean
i'm guessing you also have TV included ?
simple ravine
Telia for fiber is probably one of your better choices
pseudo ocean
prob for gaming : P
simple ravine
Telia Sonera should have the best peering you can get
considering they own their own NOCs/peering exchanges
pseudo ocean
the issue is.. the isps in norway have to "rent" routing from telenor which uses telia
and sometimes they mess up the latency from denmark to germany/netherlands
and there's no way to complain about this issue
simple ravine
damn
there are some days i'm glad my parents decided to move from norway to sweden
pseudo ocean
hopefully norway gets it's own routing soon lol
I think 90% of our traffic goes through sweden first
kinda weird
which means sweden can monitor norwegian internet traffic 😂
hmm, couldn't find any "trade API" note in patch notes?
was there in Markov Generated 3.1 PATCH NOTES
chrome topaz
dominator? that's me
simple ravine
i think i'll skip this one lol
cosmic saffron
4 pauldrons wasn't enough?
tropic shuttle
i went with subjugator
redeemer portal was as much as the mtx compelled me, but i use enough API i figured i should chip in a bit
also, cloth map, because my glasses need to be cleaned
simple ravine
I've spend $2k+ already, but yeah..
chrome topaz
looks expensive
gritty olive
looks likes too much
simple ravine
nah, wasn't too bad
shell elk
edgerouter looks pretty neat, i was considering mikrotik routers not too long ago for my next house but will take another look
simple ravine
mikrotik is apparently douchebags
mortal bone
it actually isn't that expensive for a full network setup
simple ravine
around € 1K
mortal bone
Yeah, was just looking, and it was close to that in $
simple ravine
I'll just spend less on supporter packs for a while
simple ravine
nice!
how is your experience regarding speed (throughput, latency)?
I got the Cloud Key, which should give me the web access ui
simple ravine
awesome, looking forward to installing it