#tooldev-general | Path of Exile 1 & 2 | Page 53

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 3:58 PM

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Not.. quite, maybe is an elevated value

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instead nullobjects are just implementing the interface of w/e you're working with

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but provide no functionality or treat nulls inside

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This allows you to centralize nullhandling and reduce boilerplate

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 3:58 PM

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that sounds like default of struct

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u see the new things they're cooking up in next version of c# btw?

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 3:59 PM

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last time I checked it out it was ~4 month ago

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async streams, heuristic null predictions

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is there a new interview/preview?

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Oh yeah, default interface implementions

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this makes me drool

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(checking out right now)

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:01 PM

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i guess ill throw it into a try and see

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gimme a sec

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:01 PM

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Personally I'm mostly excited for AsyncStreams

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:02 PM

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oh yes

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IAsyncEnumerable

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I'm pretty excited about Span<T> in .net core 2.0 too, I just haven't had an excuse to play with it yet

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:03 PM

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What does it do?

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:03 PM

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well now the app doesnt outright stop anymore but ye it finds 3 unidentified stashes

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https://i.imgur.com/rgvjvE5.png

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:03 PM

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I guess, paste a little more of your thing

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do this if (stash && stash.items) { ... }

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@hushed relic Span<T> is like ArraySegment, but faster

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:05 PM

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same three errors

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:05 PM

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https://github.com/dotnet/corefxlab/blob/master/docs/specs/span.md

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:06 PM

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wait

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i didnt try logging typeof yet

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hm not that useful

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:08 PM

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if you want help, im gonna need to see your code

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:09 PM

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sure sec

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:12 PM

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@simple ravine that's pretty exciting. Seems to be great for pipeline, sensor and all kind of continuous calculations.

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prolly good for private indexers 😄

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(I've had the urge to write my own indexer several times, but I'd prefer to avoid economy manipulation claims o.O)

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:13 PM

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hehe

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I've had the urge for quite some time too

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I started writing a bunch of underlying library code for mods, stats etc

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and went down a rabbit hole pasing plain text (ctrl+c ingame) for stats, and got stuck with estimating composite mods

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:14 PM

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@hushed relic clearly youre manipulating the economy by hiding all the mirrors in your filter 🤔

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:14 PM

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False news. I have a filter that hides everything BUT mirrors (and sorcerer boots)

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@simple ravine I'd actually love to get my hands on that

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:15 PM

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chancing skyforths in current year

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lol

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:15 PM

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I didn't update the trollfilter

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:15 PM

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i guess it just makes it better

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:15 PM

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it also hides chance orbs, but you can mirror the boots

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so shrug

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:15 PM

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kek

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 4:17 PM

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I've been thinking about making a very lightweight solution, that basically works based on ctrl+c and tries to learn from my own selling/equipping/stash only

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at the very least, I can use it to make a very small browser plugin to show resulting resistance deficits, when browsing poe.trade for rings

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however, it's mostly for giggles, I get bored of trading so fast, I'm considering going SSF next league

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:18 PM

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i mean if you have access to your equipped items you could have a pluggin that just shows what your resists will be when you equip a certain item

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:18 PM

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yeah, I'd love to put it in your hands, but I want to clean it up

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:35 PM

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ok this is stupid, i can do a stash.items.forEach , in the catch, after the getting the error that i cannot do stash.items.forEach

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ill feel really stupid when i catch what i did wrong

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 4:51 PM

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I'm just gonna go rent a car, I'll be back in a few @idle imp .. I'll check ur code in a few

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 4:54 PM

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k, ill keep trying stuff

chrome topaz Nov 9, 2017, 6:07 PM

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do people actually list items in SSF leagues and then search for them?

torpid mesa Nov 9, 2017, 6:07 PM

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i have made ssf tabs public before but i had no reason to search for them

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id rather use acquisition to find items

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otoh poe.trades search is better

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maybe people are doing that

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i know its annoying to try to find items with mods that are not listed in acq

mortal bone Nov 9, 2017, 6:30 PM

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why isn't the mod list in aquisition generated on the fly?

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as items are scanned just pop in mods that you haven't seen

delicate ore Nov 9, 2017, 6:40 PM

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@chrome topaz can you allow limited comments on items? it would be nice to be able to say "obo"/"or best offer"

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i know why you removed them but if you limit the usable phrases it should be fine.

chrome topaz Nov 9, 2017, 7:11 PM

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@mortal bone pull requests are welcome 😃

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@delicate ore isn't that what ~b/o means?

mortal bone Nov 9, 2017, 8:00 PM

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@chrome topaz I would have to get the QT enviroment installed lol

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 9:10 PM

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was gonna ask if there are any unique identified items that dont have explicit mods

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and yes there is

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tabula

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cool so that does seem to solve my mysterious undefined issue

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM

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also finally put it on github

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https://github.com/iongg/poe-item-sniper-project

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if anyone wants to check the code out

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM

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fell asleep with napping the kid lol

gritty olive Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM

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did you check out licoffe's?

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM

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did u figure the issue out?

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 10:08 PM

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yes zen, i was checking exlicit mods for all items

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including the ocasional tabula

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which threw an undefined since tabula doesnt have explicits

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and no i didnt nijiko

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didnt see you mention it tbh

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will look at it

gritty olive Nov 9, 2017, 10:09 PM

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why is there an __awaiter

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 10:10 PM

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cant really answer questions about the .js files, i write in typescript

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:10 PM

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you checking the transpiled typescript->javascript

gritty olive Nov 9, 2017, 10:10 PM

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Oh, I was reading the transpiled derp

idle imp Nov 9, 2017, 10:10 PM

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also everything is in app.js which is really not profesional

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but ill refactor later

gritty olive Nov 9, 2017, 10:10 PM

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I was like this looks horrifying

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:11 PM

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that's a shim, probably with a generator fallback?

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:33 PM

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@hushed relic I'm refactoring my code, I'll show you the things when I'm at a stage where it's easier to digest

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so many solid violations

hushed relic Nov 9, 2017, 10:43 PM

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@simple ravine sure, but let's move it to ~next week

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races+currently trying to get filterblade ready

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stupid leveling section >.<

simple ravine Nov 9, 2017, 10:43 PM

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yeah, i i'll fiddle with this during the weekend, and we can find a time next week

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oh shit.. got a flight to LA on thursday next week

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so monday-tuesday works, otherwise the week after

gritty olive Nov 9, 2017, 10:54 PM

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@hushed relic what do you do for a living

hushed relic Nov 10, 2017, 12:18 AM

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@gritty olive I'm an multimedia engineer, though currently I'm employed as a .NET dev and slowly slipping into more architecture

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 12:22 AM

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Oh cool, what kind of media

hushed relic Nov 10, 2017, 10:45 AM

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Image Processing, Datamining, AI, Robotics are my fields of focus

pseudo ocean Nov 10, 2017, 11:11 AM

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.NET framework AI? 🤔

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:14 AM

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CNTK is apparently really good at utilizing parallel GPU performance

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cognitive-toolkit/reasons-to-switch-from-tensorflow-to-cntk

delicate ore Nov 10, 2017, 4:41 PM

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@chrome topaz b/o means 'buyout', obo means 'or best offer'.

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traditionally speaking for mmos (always seen it used this way in poe too)

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i'd like to be able to set a price like "~b/o 1 exa obo"

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even better if you could display obo as "or best offer" on poe.trade

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i'd recommend allowing other kinds of limited notes too but i'm not sure which phrases to recommend

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 4:56 PM

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well, ~b/o means buybout, as you said, but that indicates that the price isn't fixed, which ~price indicates.

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which in my perspective, renders "obo" unnecessary?

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:02 PM

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"buyout" => "any offers considered, but at this specific price you are guaranteed to buy it out"

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:02 PM

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exactly

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like in any auction site, pretty much

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:03 PM

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yeah. obo unnecessary, as you said

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:03 PM

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It's a matter of educating the players to pick the right prefix for their item. I know many people get pissed when you offer them a price under what they've set, even when they used "~b/o"

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:04 PM

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well, to be fair, ggg sets the default pricing note to be buyout

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likely not all players recognize the distinction

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:04 PM

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for sure, you are right. not blaming the players... ok maybe a little

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:05 PM

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actually, there is price vs exact price

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i really wish they'd let us merge 4x premium tabs into quad tabs

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ze time has come for improved stash tab processing parallelization

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:09 PM

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Maybe GGG should loosen up the rate limiting.

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:10 PM

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shrug. i don't mind rate limiting as long as the rate is sufficient to get all the data

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:10 PM

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It becomes a bit tricky to monitor stashtabs when you have 110 tabs 😐

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:11 PM

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indeed. i took a different approach

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i know i want to drink the firehose eventually, so i just take events that i know are my own stashes off the firehose

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so i only have to process my own stashes when i actually have stash events

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silly, i admit. but i also don't need to f with session ids and other such

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:12 PM

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it's a valid point

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:12 PM

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and usually i have at most 3 concurrent stash events

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:13 PM

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what is unfortunate is that you're going to consume unnecessary large amounts of bandwidth, from your perspective, perhaps not a big deal, but for GGG - it all adds up

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:14 PM

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that is true

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if ggg offered a user-scoped firehose, that would be ideal. but that will likely never be a priority as long as the other api exists

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:15 PM

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perhaps they could add E-Tag + If-Newer-Than, and have a different rate-limiting if you're using those headers

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:16 PM

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seems fair

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 5:16 PM

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If I were to guess, taking into consideration the language they're using - APIs are most likely not the absolute bottom of their priority.

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with language, I mean the way they talk/communicate in the context

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 5:54 PM

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worth pointing out, actually, i turn off my engine when i'm not playing & fast forward it during a gaming session

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there's a killswitch if it doesn't detect new stash updates from me in something like 20 minutes

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catching up is like 5-10 requests (depends on how long since last turned on) using a binary search on the change_id

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probably unnecessary since poe.ninja is publishing that now

chrome topaz Nov 10, 2017, 7:13 PM

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lol

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 7:18 PM

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?

chrome topaz Nov 10, 2017, 8:16 PM

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doing binary search

delicate ore Nov 10, 2017, 9:42 PM

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@chrome topaz can you display the current league of the character?

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it's annoying messaging people who are racing

chrome topaz Nov 10, 2017, 9:47 PM

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it's not exposed via api

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so no

delicate ore Nov 10, 2017, 9:48 PM

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can we get them to expose it? it's kind of a big deal

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they are taking suggestions for the new trade site and api, right?

chrome topaz Nov 10, 2017, 9:48 PM

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uhh you can try

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I asked them to add it

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and it's still not here so

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 9:50 PM

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Did anyone figure out why the river id format is the way it is? 5 fragments of rather close numbers... Hm.

chrome topaz Nov 10, 2017, 10:02 PM

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the stashes are sharded so these are change IDs from shards

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 10:08 PM

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Ah, that makes sense.

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Thanks.

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 10:09 PM

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worth noting that the change ids represent stashes that changed during the time window, but the actual stash content you get is what is in the stash right now

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so if you're looking at historical change ids, it's not actually historical

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ie, if a stash was public at the time of the change, and it has since been made private, you'll get an empty array of items

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 10:10 PM

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Right. That's why you have to go through a huge bunch of useless stuff and an odd section of completely empty stashes 😃

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 10:10 PM

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for example

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which is why i implemented the aforementioned binary search << >>

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can skip you ahead right to the present

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 10:11 PM

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Or you could just use my value, as you mentioned 😃

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 10:11 PM

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ah, you're poe.ninja?

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 10:11 PM

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Yeah.

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I actually just added the latest change id back in v1 because I was thinking of stats I could add... It turned out to be a lot more popular than expected.

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 10:39 PM

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@tropic shuttle but binary search is a clever idea :-D

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 10:40 PM

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you have to apply the binary search to each of the 5 shards in parallel

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so it's a little more complex than your usual BS

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& you only have to get to within ~200-500 of the "actual value" - since it's a moving target, kill the search and the poll will catch up quickly

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better than polling everything in between

fickle yew Nov 10, 2017, 11:03 PM

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You can't do one at a time?

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@gritty olive added mirrors to poe.ninja today btw

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:12 PM

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Favorite person of the day is you!

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🎉

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continues to describe how LB / NAT work to enterprise company

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I wrote a 5 page PDF on how to do LB / NAT configuration and DNS Record setup and I still get asked every question the PDF answers

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🙄

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"That's described on Page 3" "Ohhhhh" "Did you read it?" "Yes"

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chuckles

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:28 PM

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the docs never get read

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:28 PM

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BGP ❤

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:28 PM

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but they're useful to point to

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:30 PM

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I'd take the hint that the documentation was not understandable for them then.

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If you're selling to non-technical people, yet your presentation is a bunch of tech talk, then you're going to have a difficult time.

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:30 PM

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i've encountered technical people who refuse to read the docs

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on the flip, same people regularly make poor technical decisions

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:32 PM

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@simple ravine they read it with me and understood it

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They just never read the documentation

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:32 PM

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Ohhh, right. They're from USA?

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:32 PM

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Yep

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:32 PM

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There you have it.

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:33 PM

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Basically it is "we want you to do it for me"

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We are like "lol we don't have time for that and you don't pay for that"

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:33 PM

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Yeah. Love your country. And dislike it almost equally at the same time.

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:33 PM

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it's not just the USA

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:33 PM

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No, but in prticular.

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:34 PM

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We have an AU company that is the same way so I don't know

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:34 PM

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giggles

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:34 PM

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i think in general, some kinds of people will just try to avoid work they consider "dull"

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:34 PM

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The way I think about it is... if they could do it themselves would they be buying an external product

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:35 PM

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I have no idea what company you work for.

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So i'm not sure what you're selling

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:36 PM

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Is it hard to find out

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:36 PM

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I guess not.

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:36 PM

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You said you were on the spectrum so I figured you'd have done it already xD

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:36 PM

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It's easier for you shed some light to the context

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No, I haven't had the urge

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:37 PM

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😄 just like people who don't read docs

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:37 PM

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Haha

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:37 PM

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Or he's just not intriguing enough

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:37 PM

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honestly, i tend not to read docs until i have a problem that i know the docs solve

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i don't read a doc just because

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:38 PM

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I read the code tbh

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Integration + Unit tests are good docs

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:38 PM

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sometimes. sometimes that is true

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:39 PM

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If they aren't then it indicates some red flags

tropic shuttle Nov 10, 2017, 11:39 PM

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yep

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:39 PM

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Like currency-cop has none

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That's pretty red flag that it's not stable

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:46 PM

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@gritty olive You said you had two companies; I see you have stated, but still you have an employment.

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After 6+ years.

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:49 PM

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Has it been 6 years?

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:49 PM

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According to you

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:49 PM

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I don't think I said 6 years

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Nope, no logs of me saying 6 years

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:50 PM

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Is your LinkedIn profile correct?

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:50 PM

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Yes

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Maybe

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So if you're looking and saying my Personal Companies 6 years then yes

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:52 PM

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I'm not gonna post your personal details in here, that wouldn't be nice. But yeah,
Founder & CEO...
<company>

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:53 PM

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Yes, I have multiple employments

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:55 PM

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Oh, I see two entries, but they lead to the same company

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Again, my profile hasn't been updated in years. And I don't tell everything in there either

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:56 PM

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Changes in Job Titles do that on Linked In which I thought sucked 😉

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I've been at that one since it was 3 people

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There is another company missing from my Linked in 🤔 but I don't think I'll at that one yet until the other business partner and I discuss release stuff

simple ravine Nov 10, 2017, 11:57 PM

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How come you're not C/D-Level at this point? Looks like the company has quite a few employees now

gritty olive Nov 10, 2017, 11:58 PM

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I have delegated out all my tasks and I don't want to do that stuff

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Technically my title is "Architect" but we are rolling out stuff slowly so we don't jar new employees / existing employees

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I didn't want to be a "Solution Architect" though cause I like being at home 😃

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Plus I have other responsibilities at my own companies 😉

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Hopefully that answers it for you

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:01 AM

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How many are you employing yourself?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 12:02 AM

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I have 4 on the new company so far, and on Nexua it is me and a friend that we get paid pretty well doing consulting

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Parsify is me and has like 30 customers that is a nice little side income

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Me and my friends invest in tech startups, in case you have an interesting and unique product

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 12:05 AM

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Curiously enough, partner and I don't take investments

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We like bootstrapping and retaining equity

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:06 AM

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Well, I respect that. Even if it can be both a weakness and a strength.

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Like how they say.. it's a fine line between madness and genius, right?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 12:06 AM

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There are some cases where I can see us, later down the road tapping into a VC not for monetary reasons

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For networking reasons

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:08 AM

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Yeah, we help with customer acquisition and marketing, mainly. In some aspects, technical and product development insights

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We do connect people together that we see could benefit mutually, but as you hinted, that's down the road.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:55 AM

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@gritty olive Did you start with OOP when you were 8 years old?

potent galleon Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

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wow why are you stalking his linkedin 😮

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:56 AM

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stalking?

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it's 1 search

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It's not like I fired up Kali and ran recon lol

potent galleon Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

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do me now

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 12:58 AM

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nah

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:12 AM

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No not oop

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:13 AM

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📎 image.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:13 AM

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Yes but I didnt start with it

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:16 AM

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I guess people bend the truth all the time.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:18 AM

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?

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:19 AM

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If you're ~26-28 years old, and you say you've done OOP for 18 years.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:20 AM

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Yes, you asked if I started with it though

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:21 AM

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with OOP when you were 8 years old

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:22 AM

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Ah, then yes

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:26 AM

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on another note, why are people making up their names to sound japanese?

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i haven't really understood that thing

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:27 AM

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You tell me

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:28 AM

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Isnt your pseudonym inspired from japanese?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:28 AM

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It is japanese

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 1:29 AM

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Ok, I've seen others do the same thing. I'm not really into that 'cultural thing'

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Is it connected with the anime culture?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 1:45 AM

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Nope

cosmic saffron Nov 11, 2017, 2:04 AM

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🤔

📎 image.png

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 2:05 AM

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😄

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It's a play with two words, indeed japanese as well. However, it's form a long time ago, since my days in japanese martial arts (zen + sensei)

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 3:43 AM

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📎 JPEG_20171110_194340.jpg

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Forgot I would get this

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Pretty cool

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 3:44 AM

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yeah, mine was a little damaged 😦

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 3:45 AM

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Rip

chrome topaz Nov 11, 2017, 3:56 AM

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what's that? a comic book?

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 3:57 AM

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More like a collection of artwork

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📎 IMG_20171111_045844.jpg

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📎 IMG_20171111_045751.jpg

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 4:09 AM

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It also has interviews with the Graphic Designers at GGG

chrome topaz Nov 11, 2017, 4:18 AM

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oh nice

delicate ore Nov 11, 2017, 4:21 AM

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ha, i just realized you can't search by rare-name in ggg trade

cosmic saffron Nov 11, 2017, 4:22 AM

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yeah no partials

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 4:22 AM

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y u no n-gram?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 7:15 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/W1pLFhK.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:10 AM

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@fickle yew how often does poe.ninja api update

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is it every 24 hours?

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:21 AM

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@gritty olive Every 10 minutes or so. But changes are small 😃

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Got any reactions to the whole storing session ids yet? I know the intention is good, but I personally would be more wary. Even though the source is open, I have no guarantee that's the version running.

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Also I wouldn't want to store them as a developer 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:28 AM

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I''m going to be storing my own session_id in relation to their session that will be ephemeral but will be updated every login

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So i'll never store GGG credentials or Session IDs

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So I can store their session_id in their browser ephemerally (cookies, local storage, etc)

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But the backend will never store it

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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Ah okay. So only their browser will make the requests.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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Well the server will make the requests but it's an ephemeral one-time request

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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or ? You probably need to proxy it cause of CORS?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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So the server won't store the session id, but will use it

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:30 AM

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Right, well that's good at least.

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I still don't know that you don't store it though 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:31 AM

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It will be open source

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:31 AM

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Sure. Assuming that's what's running.

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Just playing devil's advocate. I know there's not really a better solution.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:31 AM

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Sure, I can have a staff member vet it if they want, I'm not that kind of person anyway

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So when I do the server it should reduce your API requests a lot

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:32 AM

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Ideally GGG would give you an API token, JWT or something, that was restricted in what it could do.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:33 AM

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since it will be just the server doing the request every 10 - 30 minutes

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:33 AM

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How often do you refresh poe.ninja in the client?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:33 AM

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Yeah but JWT / OAuth is a pain for both parties ;D -- Full disclosure, I wrote a book on OAuth haha

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Dude, they have free range currently 😛

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:33 AM

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Well, it's a pain for you and GGG, but not for the consumer 😃

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Free range?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:34 AM

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I don't really have control over it

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:34 AM

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What's the lowest interval?

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Manual doesn't bother me.

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But every 5 seconds might 😄

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:34 AM

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Not that close, it's 1 minute

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But that was an accident

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:34 AM

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That's quite often

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:34 AM

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That was just for my testing, and nobody does it 😉

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:35 AM

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And the default is?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:35 AM

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15 minutes should be the lowest that people would use since at 1 minute it would use a lot of resources on their server

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Default is 30 iirc

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:35 AM

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Okay, can still be quite a few requests daily since it's distributed.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:36 AM

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Yeah, that's (partially) why I want to move to server

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:36 AM

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Well clearly from my point of view the server is better.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:36 AM

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It'll reduce load on everyone else

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:36 AM

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The API runs through CloudFlare, so I'm not that worried. But 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:37 AM

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What DB are you using btw?

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:37 AM

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Initially SQL Server, now Postgres.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:37 AM

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I have an odd question, do you have an aggregated API of all types?

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:37 AM

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Nope.

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The API is only there to serve the site, which is also why I tell people it's not to be considered stable.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:38 AM

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That's fine

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I don't really use much from it to be honest

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:38 AM

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Looks like I've served ~15GB compressed json the last 24 hours...

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:38 AM

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I'm omitting the "pay, recieve, sparkline" objects completely

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Hm 15GB in an hour isn't too bad

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:39 AM

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In the last 24 hours, not per hour.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:40 AM

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oh h

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:40 AM

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It's still quite a bit of bandwidth for a hobby site 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:40 AM

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http://picsum.photos/ this one does a few terabytes in an hour

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:41 AM

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Makes sense. How expesive is the bandwidth?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:41 AM

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Without sponsorship, like 280$ a year?

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With sponsorship it's free

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Also has to use quite a few servers for the image processing?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:42 AM

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We got it down to two servers tbh

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Ah DigitalOcean and BelugaCDN.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Novynn said that "OAuth2 is in the works"

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:42 AM

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Either way I'd be storing the token in the browser 😄

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I don't need it, and getting a refresh token is easy

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:43 AM

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Well, it'd be the ideal situation, where you don't have to trust any 3rd party with information you haven't explicitly given them premission to, and you can revoke it whenever you want.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:43 AM

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Meh, OAuth2 has a lot holes

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But sure

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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I'd just prefer it if it was seperate from the session id and restricted to only accessing the private stash api.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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Sacrifices security for convenience

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Honestly OAuth2 is a glorified session token

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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I'm more worried about being able to access the store etc.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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No, certain implementations of OAuth2 has holes.

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The specification is good enough

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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all of them but that's okay

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:44 AM

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Weren't you saying the same thing about JWT a few weeks ago?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:45 AM

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Depends what vector you want to be available against

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JWT is still exploitable yes

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:45 AM

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Which attack do you want to run against JWT?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:45 AM

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Use it to pretend I am the user?

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:46 AM

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lol

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:46 AM

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Now if you're doing real-time JWT generation with ... actually nope thats still exploitable

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Get the page with the users session get the token that was injected, or secret, and then bam generate the jwt, and you're in

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:47 AM

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that's like saying assymetric encryption is exploitable.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:47 AM

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If you expose anything to the client it's exploitable

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:47 AM

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yes it is, but it depends on the implementation

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:47 AM

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There is no implementation that can prevent someone pretending to be you

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If you give them access to everything you have

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:48 AM

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you don't

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JWT will only give you the equivalent of a public key

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:48 AM

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That's what I am saying, you don't have to exploit and obtain the values inside of it

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You just exploit the fact you can obtain it

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The only thing that could prevent it is a proper firewall that would prevent any traffic except whitelisted servos

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Then you combine that with a CSRF

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So you can't remotely exploit that page

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:50 AM

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well, if you have compromised someone's computer, JWT isn't the attack surface

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:51 AM

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Having a seperate token still allows you to create one that has a restricted set of rights.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:51 AM

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Yeah @fickle yew you can reduce the surface area

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It just makes people feel safer

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:52 AM

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Hm. Other ways to apply curses? Cast when damage taken, cast when stunned, curse on hit, blasphemy and self cast?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:52 AM

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That's assuming the OAuth server respects scopes :^)

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 10:52 AM

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and claims

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:53 AM

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Trawling through Occultists to find out how they apply curses is taking a while 😛

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Some pretty crazy cases though..

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📎 unknown.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:54 AM

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Why looking through curses?

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:54 AM

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For my new project

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A build explorer.. of sorts.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:55 AM

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I built one of those by scraping the forum

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:55 AM

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I'm using real characters 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:56 AM

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Like this one? https://www.poebuilds.io/builds/hc

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:56 AM

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I like to think that mine encourages exploration more. But yes, kind of like that.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:57 AM

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just wanted to make sure I understood you 😄

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can't wait to see it

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 10:57 AM

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Basically it's based around drilling down into the data set that's order by use.

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I teased a screenshot in my reddit post yesterday.. Let me find it.

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https://i.imgur.com/r8P3WsY.jpg

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:59 AM

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Suggestion, make the % number on the images more visible 😄

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Looks cool

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:00 AM

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So instantly we can see that 36% of Cyclone users are using Starforge

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and we could drill further down into that category if we wanted to.

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and restrict it across multiple filters.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:00 AM

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Can you filter things out

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:01 AM

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Yes

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:01 AM

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Well I guess you could just click the things you wanted to see though

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What does the default view look like?

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:02 AM

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One sec let me start it

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We can do an interactive session 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:02 AM

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Alright 😄

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:03 AM

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The UI for excluding stuff is removed at the moment, but I can do it manually.

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and right now for dev I'm only doing the top 20k chars. But I have tried it with 100k+

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https://i.imgur.com/mICASoK.png

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Initial view. What do you want to explore?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:04 AM

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Yeah things get interesting when you add more datapoints to see where it levels out

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Let's do Shield Charge

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:04 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/6FvviTk.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:05 AM

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Oh it would be nice to know

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the % of Life vs LowLife vs Hybrid vs ES

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:05 AM

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Yeah that'll be there.

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also that part is there, but couldn't be seen on my first screenshot

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:06 AM

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Actually how do you determine Hybrid vs LowLife

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:06 AM

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oops that was the same screenshot

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https://i.imgur.com/OqTeVNx.png

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Low life I have a few heuristics involving blood magic etc.

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Want do dig further down in your result?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:08 AM

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Hm actually lets do Atziri's Disfavour Vaal Axe

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:08 AM

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Nobody is using that with shield charge, so I reckon you want to start over 😃

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https://i.imgur.com/afIUkJ0.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:09 AM

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Yeah

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Wow, Leap Slam / Cyclone then Ancestral

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I thought Ancestral would be higher

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:10 AM

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We can zoom in on a skill maybe... Sunder?

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:10 AM

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Oh, whoops, I know why

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Leap Slam is a movement skill so it makes sense

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:10 AM

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Yeah

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:10 AM

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It'd be nice to segment skills somehow

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:10 AM

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Yeah I want to do that for sure

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Disfavour + Sunder: https://i.imgur.com/bmJHUy2.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:11 AM

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Raider 1% enlightenedchaosthinking

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:12 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/5oCCY8V.png

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Actually exactly 1 😃

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:12 AM

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And they made it to level 93

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:12 AM

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Well this is only the top 20k chars atm.

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So lowest level is probably rather high

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:13 AM

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What about a Skellie build

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:13 AM

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Disfavour + Sunder - RT: https://i.imgur.com/wpBrAFw.png

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Summon Skeleton: https://i.imgur.com/YG9Kbuh.png

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:13 AM

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Yes, this is where you could start doing some basic ML

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to generate builds

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:14 AM

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@fickle yew looks cool... here's some inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuXFSC67tM

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:14 AM

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by looking at some common combinations

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:14 AM

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@simple ravine Thanks. It's surprisingly hard to find good examples of people doing these kinds of filters.

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Anyway I've been using a very raw version of this tool for a couple of years myself and got inspired to see if I could tag it onto ninja at some point soon.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:15 AM

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yeah, expensive BI tools have them

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4_8wqKa9A8

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM

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(and some open source)

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM

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Well all my drilling down is actually (wears mad scientist hat) done in the browser.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:16 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMipkgnDht4

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Stuff like this could be beneficial

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:17 AM

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that just looks confusing, no offense

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:17 AM

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Where you start doing relational graphing

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And strengths graphing

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:17 AM

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the clustering after mid 2nd video is probably something I would find useful

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:17 AM

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I enjoy exploring builds this way at least. It probably won't be as popular as the currency part, but leading up to league start I think it'd be interesting.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:18 AM

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Yeah it's more of a retrospective

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heh

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Since it's based on actual players rather than forum build

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However you could extrapolate commonalities into builds 😉

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:18 AM

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too many nodes and vectors/edges will just make it unusable

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:19 AM

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Lol the more nodes and edges make it more efficient

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thanks machine learning 😄

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:19 AM

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I like the other pages like poebuilds.io and poe-profile.info. But when I go there I just don't know what to explore.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:19 AM

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extrapolation of ladder data is something I've thought about too, I think that's a good idea

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:19 AM

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It reminds me of

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http://www.probuilds.net/

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:20 AM

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It is also loosly inspired by: http://square.github.io/crossfilter/

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and the follow-up: https://dc-js.github.io/dc.js/

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:20 AM

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If i store the new CC stuff right I could probably use that ^

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:20 AM

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yea same with http://champion.gg/

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

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Yeah looks similar.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

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Yeah, you could start generating things like this -- http://champion.gg/champion/Ezreal/ADC

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For builds

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

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Wow the champion.gg has some crazy graphs.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

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Especially things like the "Overall Champion Matrix" which is what I was mentioning earlier with strength graphs

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:21 AM

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it's pretty allright indeed

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:22 AM

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Alright, heading to bed 😉

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:22 AM

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I wonder how much people actually use that graph though.

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It's pretty, but meh..

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Night.

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 11:22 AM

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A lot 😄

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For counters

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different mindset

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Also yes, gnite ;D I'll elaborate more tomorrow if you want just ping me

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:23 AM

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for more serious team play, it can be useful when composing a team

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:23 AM

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Feel free to send more inspiration.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:25 AM

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if you have an underlying graph model, where you have different attributes, such as skills, class, etc, and create edges to builds

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you could pretty "easily" start extrapolating the data

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:25 AM

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Right.

simple ravine Nov 11, 2017, 11:27 AM

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i.e. "what are the common treats among top N assassin players who use blade flurry?"

fickle yew Nov 11, 2017, 11:27 AM

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Yeah I was especially thinking about this for investigating most used support gems for a given slice of the data (and a given skill obviously)

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Well you can already identify some common traits like: https://i.imgur.com/Dir5z9C.png

chrome topaz Nov 11, 2017, 12:40 PM

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@gritty olive here's how signal solved this problem https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/

gritty olive Nov 11, 2017, 10:07 PM

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A lot easier on the phone than browser

chrome topaz Nov 11, 2017, 10:17 PM

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it's gonna be too hard to implement to be worth it so think of it as a thought experiment

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 2:52 AM

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OAuth2 seems flawed in quite a few ways unfortunately

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still, its better than having people sharing their session tokens that's for sure

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:18 AM

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@compact isle In what ways in your opinion is it flawed?

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:20 AM

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it depends too much on the client to handle security

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:21 AM

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I'm not following, with client you mean on your side or 3rd party tool client?

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:21 AM

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the consumer

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:24 AM

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It was a while ago I implemented OAuth2 client-side, but when I did, it doesn't really handle much of the security, but perhaps I am misinterpreting what you mean.

Granted, what the client is required to do is keeping the OAuth token safe. Is that what you mean?

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:25 AM

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yep that's one of the concerns

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less important when the interaction is server -> server

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but for applications it's troubling

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:27 AM

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How so, are you concerned that someone would want to compromise someone's system to gain access to an OAuth token? If so, that could also be the case with servers.

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And at that point, it could potentially collect a lot of tokens

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:29 AM

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well with an application you'd have to run some sort of webserver locally or have a separate system to handle the redirect

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that's a big attack vector increase right there

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more chances for the client to mess up their implementation

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:31 AM

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Well, I would imagine that if you have an offline application that would consume Path of Exile user's profile data, a prerequisite is to also host a server that would keep it safe, in my opinion.

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 3:32 AM

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I hope ggg's not gonna roll their own thing like with the online api

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:32 AM

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lol

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online api is a beautiful system you hush you

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 3:32 AM

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@compact isle I notified you guys ages ago that it's vulnerable to length extension attack

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:34 AM

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We've used IdentityServer very successfully, althoguh I suspect it's not something that would integrate well with your current architecture, considering it's a .NET thing. I'm sure there are similar projects for whatever you're using (php?)

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:34 AM

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first I'm hearing of this 😅

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of course

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@chrome topaz have you been able to reproduce such an attack?

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 3:45 AM

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I haven't bothered to

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if you want I can try it, but I don't use the API anyway

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:46 AM

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right yeah I see what you mean

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 3:50 AM

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Anyone else seeing the error 14 is not a valid MOD_DOMAIN when extracting mods using PyPoE?

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 3:57 AM

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length extension attacks won't work against the API because we don't hash the URL params, we hash their value

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we also validate the account names so you can't pad them

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 4:06 AM

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they will work if you find a request where len(all account names + hash) adds up to block multiplier

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how i was suggested to use it is to sign the request, then embed it in output html so that the client js makes the request

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anyway my opinion is better not take chances even though it's very low severity

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 4:12 AM

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yeah but it relies on the server not validating inputs before generating the key itself

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if the inputs don't validate (ie. you added padding) the server skips them and then the key comparison fails

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still very scary how close it comes to being vulnerable, I agree

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 4:17 AM

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valid nicknames can also add up to the block size

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you don't need to pad

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 4:24 AM

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could just use a different token for the store 🤔

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idc I'm fine with either one whatever makes people feel safer

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 4:27 AM

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for the store?

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 4:27 AM

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yeah someone mentioned earlier that they were worried about the session token and the accessing the store / purchases

mortal bone Nov 12, 2017, 4:38 AM

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you have each application register a key along side having to use the oauth2 token

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this would make sure you can find any rogue applications and shut them down by revoking the application key

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 4:39 AM

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well the store wouldn't have an OAuth token

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they'd be restricted to certain APIs through scopes

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 4:40 AM

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I'm not talking about the future was talking about now

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 4:40 AM

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ah

mortal bone Nov 12, 2017, 4:41 AM

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I have a feeling the session id isn't easily split out like that

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 4:41 AM

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It takes a little bit to get one

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 5:02 AM

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@chrome topaz hmm I think I can get the attack to work, interesting indeed

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 5:05 AM

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here's something scary... US ESTA application (Visa waiver program). Mine expired, so I had to apply for a new one.

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They added some intersting fields:

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📎 image.png

compact isle Nov 12, 2017, 5:19 AM

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ah mine expired recently too

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I wonder how long that "optional" will stay optional

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@gritty olive which APIs are you using for the web version of Currency Cop? Just the character window ones?

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 5:26 AM

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@sudden tiger private stash tabs

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ah yes

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 6:27 AM

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cloudflare doesn't like nginx

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 7:41 AM

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cloudflare uses nginx for their servers

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 7:53 AM

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Yes but it doesn't like being proxied from nginx

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since nginx does a dns resolution and uses the direct ip

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 9:19 AM

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pass the Host header?

chrome topaz Nov 12, 2017, 12:32 PM

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are you putting nginx in front of cloudflare?

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 1:11 PM

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I'm guessing he's using nginx to reverse-proxy requests from the browser to a 3rd party site to avoid CORS issues, and that site's behind cloudflare?

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 10:09 PM

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Not really, I'm using NGINX to proxy requests yes, but not from the browser

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The other server is behind Cloudflare and cloudflare does not like having it's IPs being used

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 11:03 PM

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IPs being used where

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 11:17 PM

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So when NGINX uses the proxy_pass directive with a dynamic variable it uses DNS resolution to determine the upstream IP, that upstream IP ends up being the CF IP and the host becomes your host which CF does not like because it wants the Host to be the forwarded host which you cannot make NGINX do dynamically

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If you wanted the technical details of it

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I forgoe the entire situation and do a different form of connection

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 11:19 PM

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that was exactly why I said 'pass the Host header' like 24 hours ago ;)

proxy_set_header Host    $host;
proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For    $remote_addr;

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 11:20 PM

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does not work

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when doing dynamic NGINX proxy_pass

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you can read the source if you don't believe me or try it

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or read the thousands of "wtf how do i do this" posts where nginx says "buy NGINX plus" or "try and do it with split traffic, lol good luck"

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 11:22 PM

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I'm still confused why you would need nginx proxy passing for your application

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 11:22 PM

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The server is built in NGINX

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 11:22 PM

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but sure, let me fire up nginx and give it a shot, because I'm pretty sure I've done that before

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 11:23 PM

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I'm pretty sure you're thinking of "non-dynamic" proxy_pass usage

#

and in which case yes

#

it would work

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since you can define a server upstream and give it reference

#

but when you're dynamically doing it it will not

#

        internal;
        rewrite_by_lua "
          local req = ngx.req

          for k,v in pairs(req.get_headers()) do
            if k ~= 'content-length' then
              req.clear_header(k)
            end
          end

          if ngx.ctx.headers then
            for k,v in pairs(ngx.ctx.headers) do
              req.set_header(k, v)
            end
          end
        ";

        resolver 8.8.8.8;
        proxy_http_version 1.1;
        proxy_pass $_url;
    }```

#

If you add the host headers to that

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It will not add them to the upstream proxy request

#

        proxy_http_version 1.1;
        proxy_set_header Host $host;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr;
        proxy_pass $_url;```

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Is the proxy block as of right now, it will not work

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I applaud your interest but this is literally coded into NGINX to not work

simple ravine Nov 12, 2017, 11:28 PM

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source for that fact?

gritty olive Nov 12, 2017, 11:29 PM

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I don't want to spend time finding the bug report again you're free to look for it yourself

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Instead I'm using http://w3.impa.br/~diego/software/luasocket/http.html

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if you were wondering

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:17 AM

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📎 image.png

#

works like a charm.

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without any special stuff

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:30 AM

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what is your server block

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and how are you doing it

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:30 AM

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        listen 8080;

        location / {
                resolver 8.8.8.8;
                proxy_http_version 1.1;
                proxy_set_header Host $http_host;
                proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr;
                proxy_pass $scheme://$http_host$uri$is_args$args;
        }

}```

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:31 AM

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$scheme / $host

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it's not dynamically done

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is the issue

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like I said

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:31 AM

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$http_host is

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lol it is

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u want me to record a video of it or what?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:31 AM

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that's the difference you're not doing it dynamically

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there is a difference in what I am doing and you are doing

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:32 AM

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what URL did you have issues with requesting with your previous solution?

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and how did you try to access it?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:32 AM

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it's not a matter of "what url" it's a matter of "how are you doing it vs I am doing it"

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:32 AM

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ok, and how am I doing it?

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how is this not dynamic?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:32 AM

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I cannot do it the way you are because it an internal proxy

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that is dynamically built using code

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:33 AM

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you're not answering my question though

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:33 AM

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proxy_pass $_url;

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is different than

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proxy_pass $scheme://$http_host

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:34 AM

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right, im just curious about the end-goal

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:35 AM

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in the case of "why use $_url" is asynchronous http requests using openresty

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yours is not dynamic in the sense you are using internal nginx variables to build your proxy_pass

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nginx knows about them

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in this scenario it is truly dynamic, nginx doesn't know about it, the request was made, and it modifies it using what it does know, and attempting to override it doesn't work since the request "was already made"

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try doing it my way and see the different it requires using openresty

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:37 AM

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welp, ¯_(ツ)_/¯ - it feels like you just want to be right, rather than receiving help.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:37 AM

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I'm not sure how to explain it better, it's just massively different forms of doing a request using proxy_pass

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:38 AM

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i.e. good luck!

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:38 AM

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I don't want help you can't do it xD

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:38 AM

#

lol what?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:38 AM

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It's not possible to do, there is no help to give

#

What you're saying is great if I was using internal nginx variables but I am not

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:39 AM

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im sorry, but i dont think you're listening to what im trying to say... your end goal

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:39 AM

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Or if NGINX was building the request, but it is not

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:39 AM

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but whatever, bud

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:39 AM

#

I already achieved my end goal

#

I'm way past this xD

#

    method = methods[req.method],
    body = body,
    ctx = {
      headers = req.headers
    },
    vars = {
      _url = req.url
    }
  })```

#

If you want to do a deep dive into the difference and why mine is different from yours, this is how you make the request using openresty, good luck

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:43 AM

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no, i was just trying to be helpful. i'm done

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:43 AM

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Okay

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https://github.com/pintsized/lua-resty-http

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Is a much better solution

#

Huh Novynn dissapeared

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:49 AM

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it's like saying "ios is better than android", and not saying why.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:49 AM

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Cosockets (async) vs synchronous

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:49 AM

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it's just an empty opinion, without any insight, so it's hard to trust your insight.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:49 AM

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Also not reliant on a proxy location block that is unstable due to programmatic dynamicness

#

yours is reliant on core NGINX doing the request

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mine is reliant on two-factor requests

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first factor is the capture of the proxy, then passing to the proxy the request and handling that with lua code, which is outside of the nginx internals and nginx defaults to preset values before lookup and during lookup (the proxy block) doesn't overwrite with whatever is in the block (by technical implementation) since nginx uses what is in it's internals since the request technically already happened

#

So, using something like sockets.http (synchronous) or resty.http (cosocket async using nginx internals) you use the actual socket libraries to do the request

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mitigating a proxy request

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:52 AM

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so you're doing multiple things at once during the request - and that is why you want it to be asynchronous?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:52 AM

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no you want it to be asynchronous because that is the nature of nginx

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:57 AM

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I'm wondering how much performance gain you're getting out of that, if any if comparing with a well-configured nginx with proper thread pool config.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

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It appears you misunderstand my approach

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NGINX is my backend

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Not a proxy

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

#

I've understood that part.

#

Ok let me ask you, why do you want it to be asynchronous instead of synchronous (I'm presuming you know what the difference is from a low-level perspective)

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 12:59 AM

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It blocks the internal context every time you do a synchronous call

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 12:59 AM

#

and in your case, what's the 'internal context'?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:00 AM

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the nginx / open resty context, so any requests to that route are blocked until it finishes

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:01 AM

#

that seems like something you should be able to configure though, using - a thread pool as I mentioned above.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:01 AM

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that's not how the internals of nginx work

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if you block the main context it blocks all requests

#

this is why it uses cosockets

#

internally

#

to avoid that

#

modifying the nginx configuration just modifies the cosocket implementation, not any logic that I put into place

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:04 AM

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so you're saying that with my configuration, I will only be able to server 1 request at the time

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:04 AM

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no, with yours you will be able to serve a lot because it uses nginx internals to do the request

#

I could fashion a location block like yours and make requests like that, yes, but that is not what I am doing and the reason is to avoid making requests like that because I want to do things outside of just "proxying"

#

Plus it would make a synchronous request to that location block which is what I want to avoid as well

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I could use lua-resty-http to avoid it, but at that point I can just make a direct request

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:07 AM

#

I want to do things outside of just "proxying"

In the same request, or?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:07 AM

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does that matter because the second point kind of makes doing the location block moot

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:07 AM

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curious.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:08 AM

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/api/get_something -> (nginx /proxy-location --- synchronous request to this, but nginx handles it async, but since I am inside of nginx, anyone who makes another request to /api/get_something will be blocked until this finishes)

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:24 AM

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are you building your backend with Lua and hosting it inside nginx with other words?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:28 AM

#

basically yes it runs inside of nginx

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:29 AM

#

Hm, interesting. Not the way I personally would go, but still intriguing. What are the benefits that made you go that route?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:31 AM

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speed, and ease of development

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I was going to do a node or go server, but it's just honestly easier to write in lua

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:33 AM

#

speed in what sense

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:38 AM

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get the speed of nginx, and development

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:46 AM

#

i'm almost inclined to test, and benchmark vs nginx + kestrel+.netcore 2

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:47 AM

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Well their benchmarks are 32 threads

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https://github.com/aspnet/benchmarks

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:48 AM

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yeah im well aware of those

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i mean benchmark the same functionality written in lua vs asp.net core with kestrel

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:48 AM

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lol people put nginx in front of kestrel so idk

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:49 AM

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well yes, that's for a multitude of reasons

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:49 AM

#

might as well just get it all for freeee

#

more like all at once

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:50 AM

#

but the RIO (Registered IO) is a very interesting development they're R&D-ing right now

#

there's little reason nginx would be the bottleneck in a functional application anyways.

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:52 AM

#

yep, which is why developing with nginx somewhat ensures that stays that way

#

as long as you use cosockets

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:52 AM

#

you're missing one aspect

#

lua execution engine vs <insert alternative here>

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:53 AM

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well its built into nginx

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:54 AM

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that doesn't guarantee that it's faster than let's say .netcore2, java, erlang, whatever in executing whatever the actual functionality is

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:54 AM

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nope but its good enough

#

for what I am doing

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:55 AM

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not doubting that at all

#

but the first reason you mentioned was speed

#

thus the topic, i guess

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 1:56 AM

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Yeah it gives better speed over node / go

#

easily

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 1:57 AM

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yeah, those choices are hilarious

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:38 AM

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is that even supported use case? i'd expect CF to shitlist your nginx server IP pretty quick

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:39 AM

#

that's quite likely, depending on configuration?

#

im more of an incapsula guy over cloudflare

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 2:43 AM

#

@chrome topaz supported use case of?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:46 AM

#

nginx proxy in front of cloudflare

#

cloudflare is free so that's great

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:47 AM

#

incapsula has a free tier too

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:48 AM

#

how's it better than cf?

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:48 AM

#

i just have had a terrible experience with cloudflare, and a much better after migrating to incapsula

#

once you're not an average site and want get a shitstorm your way, their teams are gonna try to take advantage of you, and tell you to go enterprise or they'll drop you

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:50 AM

#

i had the complete opposite

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:50 AM

#

you had problems with incapsula u mean?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:51 AM

#

no i mean i had no problems with CF, I was pushing like a terabyte per day and they never complained

#

sent me a few emails asking if i'm interested in enterprise plan and i said no

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:52 AM

#

for poetrade or other?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:52 AM

#

yeah poe.trade

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:52 AM

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because i think it depends on industry

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:53 AM

#

📎 hmmm.png

#

that's what a bot would say

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:53 AM

#

hehe

#

now, we did go enterprise with Incapsula out of the gate, because of recent DDoS attempts - and BGP

#

and when cloudflare just indirectly held our site hostage, we were losing a significant amount of money and reputation per minute, especially since we hold people's funds.

not to pry on your rev stream on poe.trade, but i guess you'd lose a bit if it went down too?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 2:57 AM

#

i wouldn't be able to afford any sort of "enterprise" plan anyway

#

google analytics already "kicked" me out by requesting that i turn on aggressive sampling

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 2:58 AM

#

yeah, it's all fun and dandy for site with small to medium traffic, but once you go over a threshold, it's business time

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:01 AM

#

and google analytics costs like $150k per year lol

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:02 AM

#

lol yeah, it's not worth it for most SMBs, not us at least

#

and there are alternatives to Google Analytics

#

so you were getting, i'm guessing around 800K-1M pageviews per day at peak, @chrome topaz?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:10 AM

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it's classified

#

what are the alternatives?

#

other than self-hosted piwik please

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:13 AM

#

heard good things about Heap, Chartbeat

#

trying to remember the name of the third one

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:14 AM

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heap free tier "5,000 Sessions per Month"

#

chartbeat doesn't even have a pricing page

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:14 AM

#

sure, but their premium won't start at 150k

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:15 AM

#

it says that one million page views on chartbeat costs $10

#

that's honestly ridiculous

#

i can host my website for cheaper than doing analytics

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:16 AM

#

that's usually the case, hosting is dirt cheap

#

but the idea is to optimize revenue with the analytics

#

there are others, but it depends what you want to get out of the analysis, some are more specialized than GA is

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:17 AM

#

maybe i should roll my own

#

problem with piwik is it's written in php and therefore slow as fuck

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:19 AM

#

do you use custom events and stuff? like, what do you want to get out of the analytics, more than just visits/requests

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:20 AM

#

yeah i track if you have adblock enabled

#

not much stuff

#

used to track stuff like which league you searching or what theme you use

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:23 AM

#

we're using App Insights (azure)

#

but the pricing is a bit harder to figure out, because it's based on data ingestion per day

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:25 AM

#

i can guess it's gonna be a shit ton

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:25 AM

#

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/pricing/details/application-insights/

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 3:25 AM

#

$2.30 per GB

#

uh oh

#

are these packets made of gold

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 3:26 AM

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lol

#

let's play a little mind game then, how much data would one assume a page visit would consume

#

if you're tracking basic stuff

#

https://mixpanel.com/pricing/ <- that was the 3rd one I was trying to remember the name of

#

but again, it's a bit more niched than google

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 4:24 AM

#

does the windows version of Discord use React Native?

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 4:45 AM

#

interesting

#

why hasn't anybody made a cross platform html5/js framework yet?

#

like, desktop and mobile

#

anyways i'll probably use Electron for ChaosHelper

#

@polar island can you take feature requests here?

#

i'd like to be able to search by Free-Prefix or Free-Suffix

#

even if it would ignore ambiguous results

#

it would still be useful regardless

#

guess that goes to @chrome topaz too

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 4:49 AM

#

ask ggg to add it

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 4:49 AM

#

i know that affixes aren't exposed but you can still do it from your end for non-ambiguous items, right?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 4:50 AM

#

too much effort

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 4:50 AM

#

alright

#

plz say "hold my beer", poeapp

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 4:54 AM

#

@delicate ore there are html5/js "native" versions

#

UWP I believe

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 4:59 AM

#

i'd rather not go UWP since there are players on platforms that don't support it

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 4:59 AM

#

what platform?

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 5:10 AM

#

all the windows versions that poe support

#

xp and later

#

UWP apps won't work on xp

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 5:11 AM

#

ok, yeah - i don't care about XP users

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 5:12 AM

#

i need to support them since the app has an overlay ui for poe itself

#

like mercurytrade

#

theres still ppl that play on it

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 5:13 AM

#

it goes against one of my favorite rules - the 80/20 rule

#

according to statcounter (global stats), in march 2017 XP comprised of 2.07%

#

oh, wait that's incorrect sorry, stand by

#

3.89% in October '17

#

(windows market share, all other operating systems excluded)

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:26 AM

#

windows xp users should upgrade

#

they are basically a threat to the internet at this point with unfixed vulns

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:28 AM

#

mostly internet cafes in china and school districts that are still using xp

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:29 AM

#

📎 image.png

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:29 AM

#

was close

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:29 AM

#

I also don't support 32-bit in another project (too lazy to drop support for acquisition though)

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

@chrome topaz what else do you do besides the poe projects?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

huh armenia's a continent now, interesting

ebon oasis Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

don't tell china they aren't numba wan

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

wasn't really thinking about super 3rd world

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

check my github @simple ravine

#

caution advised though https://github.com/xyzz

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:30 AM

#

81 repos lol

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:31 AM

#

inb4 doxxed

#

or rather

#

profiled

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:31 AM

#

nah I mean, do you have a regular job, or do you hustle with projects?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:31 AM

#

don't need one at the moment

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:31 AM

#

ballin'

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:32 AM

#

pretty sure running a website is a regular job lol

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:32 AM

#

regular employment, 9-5 job is what i meant

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:32 AM

#

ah

#

@chrome topaz like the vita huh?

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:32 AM

#

the profiling has already started

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:33 AM

#

lol, don't worry

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:33 AM

#

it's almost 50% of your repos

#

yeah, i don't care too much lol

#

less personal information on your github than I have

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:35 AM

#

just fun to learn to know who'se behind these usernames a little

#

but I think @chrome topaz is one of the most private people I've seen here so far.

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:36 AM

#

too afraid of the anti trading cabal

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:36 AM

#

no reason to be a public person on the internet

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 6:38 AM

#

remember when that currency trading website dude got death threats

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:38 AM

#

I agree that there's no point in spilling your entire life on the Internet, but sometimes it becomes a bit too impersonal with a username... there's something inbetween public figure and anonymous 😉

#

that's both scary and really lame. it's a game.

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:40 AM

#

yeah, that was nuts

#

I am only slightly public because I needed my projects to get a real job

#

and just kind of stuck with it

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:41 AM

#

i'm not really afraid at all, but i haven't had any threats towards me, or anyone in my viscinity though - i guess that could change my opinion

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:41 AM

#

I haven't had anything either, but I haven't created anything that is controversial

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:49 AM

#

You can even check http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ @simple ravine

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:51 AM

#

Steam looks quite biased

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:51 AM

#

It's mostly automated

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:51 AM

#

I mean, in the sense that Steam probably doesn't cater well to mac people

#

OSX: 1.56%

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:52 AM

#

74% dx 12 gpu

#

:^)

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:52 AM

#

skewed 😕

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:53 AM

#

I wonder if
http://prntscr.com/h9qjqw
is gonna drop when battle royal games becomes illegal in china

#

: P

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:54 AM

#

holy crap that's a large percentage

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:54 AM

#

yeah, it's mostly because of PUBG

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:57 AM

#

i dont get why gamers are so stubborn with windows 7

#

windows 10 is by far better for performance.

#

oh wait, china.

#

never mind.

pseudo ocean Nov 13, 2017, 6:59 AM

#

depends on game, it's less input lag on windows 10 but csgo performs better on windows 7 but a bit higher input lag 🤔

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 7:13 AM

#

because windows 10 fucking sucks

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 7:14 AM

#

i disagree

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 7:15 AM

#

me too, if you get rid of all the telemetry it's easily the best windows release yet

#

but if you don't do that it's complete ass

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 7:16 AM

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"all the telemetry" yeah

#

that's what they want you to think

#

that you got rid of all of it

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 7:16 AM

#

linux is too wonky, too much unexpected behavior imo, and I can't stand osx

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 7:19 AM

#

i hope microsoft collapses and we get games on linux or osx or just anything but not windows 10

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 7:25 AM

#

someone's really mad at windows 10

chrome topaz Nov 13, 2017, 7:26 AM

#

yep

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 8:06 AM

#

@delicate ore currency cop uses electron, would not suggest

#

tbh

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 8:56 AM

#

Electron is complete garbage

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 8:56 AM

#

I wish I could make WPF apps with .net core tho 😐

#

it's like twice as fast in certain situations

mellow orchid Nov 13, 2017, 9:59 AM

#

anyone using the trademacro and having the problem that the league isnt saved? it always reverts to tmpstandard for me after restarting it

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 4:40 PM

#

@simple ravine i think claiming linux has unexpected behavior is kinda funny when windows updates keep changing things ;)

#

i know thats not what you meant though

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 5:16 PM

#

This the "imo" (in my opinion)

#

The apt dist-upgrade has failed more times than it has succeeded for me as an example

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 5:18 PM

#

@gritty olive @mortal bone what would you suggest for an html5/js app framework?

#

@mellow orchid try running it as administrator

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 5:26 PM

#

Or just fix the file permissions. Running random stuff as admin is the perfect way of ruining your OS installation

mellow orchid Nov 13, 2017, 5:44 PM

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@delicate ore even when making the config file read-only after the league has been changed, the macro itself still resets the league, it has nothing to do with the file permissions or something apparently because the file is unchanged and says turmoil league, yet the macro reverts to tmpstandard, probably something in the macro code itself resets the league each startup, completely ignoring the config

solemn crypt Nov 13, 2017, 5:45 PM

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@mellow orchid beta or latest release of tm?

mellow orchid Nov 13, 2017, 5:45 PM

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beta

solemn crypt Nov 13, 2017, 5:46 PM

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hmm, weird
gonna check

mellow orchid Nov 13, 2017, 5:52 PM

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@solemn crypt when i run the macro without any .ini files created, after creation the config_trade.ini says SearchLeague=tmpstandard, after changing the league in the options it says SearchLeague=10dayturmoil(ore001) as expected. then i put it on read-only and close the script, reopen it and it tells me that following files were overwritten in the last update: config_trade.ini, now both the config_tade.ini and the config_trade.ini in the backup folder say SearchLeague=10dayturmoil(ore001) and both are read-only, but the options screen says tmpstandard and all searches are made in tmpstandard

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step by step for reproducing, if you need it ^^

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 6:09 PM

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@simple ravine ah yeah dist-upgrade doesnt work if you have made a lot of changes, as a dev does

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thats what a snapshotting file system is for

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:12 PM

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@delicate ore there isn't much in terms of html/js frameworks for desktop apps. Is there a reason you are opposed to using a compiled language?

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@simple ravine wpf in .net core would be amazing...

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Would completely change cross platform application development

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 6:17 PM

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hey didnt qt just make a new release ;)

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 6:40 PM

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But c++

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:45 PM

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QT#?

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doesn't look like an abomination tho?

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@mortal bone Wonder if it'd be feasible to create a bridge between XAML and QT# :trollface:

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 6:52 PM

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doesnt qt already support an xml definition of the ui

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 6:56 PM

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sure, but XAML and its bindings and so forth

cosmic saffron Nov 13, 2017, 6:58 PM

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yeah the qml thing is not terrible

mortal bone Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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Didn't know qt# existed...whoops

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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just use xst or whatever to translate between them :P

cosmic saffron Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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xslt

torpid mesa Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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im sure its only like 100k lines

simple ravine Nov 13, 2017, 7:00 PM

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lol

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 8:22 PM

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I honestly don't have one @delicate ore otherwise I would use it

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Might not be the answer you were looking for but yeah...

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I wish application GUI was at the level of HTML / CSS though...

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 9:29 PM

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Qt is fine actually, if you use QML

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not their native widgets though

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and yeah, @mortal bone i'd rather leverage html5/css for gui than use native widgets

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 9:30 PM

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Qt is nice but not as nice as HTML/CSS

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You can try CEF

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 9:30 PM

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hows NW.js?

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oh i almost forgot about CEF, hmm

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 9:32 PM

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NW uses content shell iirc

delicate ore Nov 13, 2017, 9:33 PM

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what's the difference?

gritty olive Nov 13, 2017, 9:47 PM

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embeds the browser into the project

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Discord uses CEF instead of Electron

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Same for Steam, Spotify, etc

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 1:55 AM

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wait, i thought CEF embeds the browser into your app. NW does the same thing?

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and also, didn't poeapp say earlier that Discord on desktop uses Electron, while the mobile version uses React Native?

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 2:08 AM

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anyone done lexing/parsing of code?

mortal bone Nov 14, 2017, 3:52 AM

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did a project to learn haskell doing lexical analysis, but that is pretty much the extent

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 4:07 AM

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i once dabbled in making a language

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lexer/tokenizer/interpreter

lost wigeon Nov 14, 2017, 8:09 AM

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@simple ravine I once had to write a Go compiler for the MIPS architecture (BSc project). Most pleasant days of my life...

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 9:16 AM

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@lost wigeon Ah cool, yeah I was thinking about using some kind of parser to parse Omega_K2's new python based specification file for the .dat files.

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But I think I'll just go the regex route for now, as it's quite niched

obtuse citrus Nov 14, 2017, 2:27 PM

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uhm if you need it in another format you can just dump it

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from PyPoE.poe.file.specification.data import stable
from json import dump
with open('C:/spec.json', 'w') as f:
    dump(stable.specification.as_dict(), f)

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 4:26 PM

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That's another alternative, for sure 😂 ❤

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fml

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now I just need to figure out a way to automate that wihtout having a dependency on python in my project

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 5:16 PM

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I think I'll make an Azure Function that runs on a trigger and compares the json and potentially updates the file in GitHub

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running a VM for the sole purpose of that would be a bit too much

gritty olive Nov 14, 2017, 7:40 PM

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serverless computing still requires a server

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but yes being able to do a script on a server you don't manage is nice

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 9:46 PM

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lol nijiko

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that was hilarious

compact isle Nov 14, 2017, 9:58 PM

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@chrome topaz did something weird happen with your forum indexing? Lots of people seem to be complaining about old forum threads being brought up on poe.trade... just wondering if we broke something you depended on :/

chrome topaz Nov 14, 2017, 11:35 PM

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@compact isle nope, it used to discard threads which are too old w/o edits and does not anymore

compact isle Nov 14, 2017, 11:35 PM

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hm okay, thanks

chrome topaz Nov 14, 2017, 11:42 PM

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yeah people tend to forget about their forum shops

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@compact isle it would be nice if the API exposed which league they are playing in

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 11:54 PM

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for serverless computing, what are the current providers?

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i'm reading about AWS Lambda now, but are there others?

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 11:54 PM

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Azure Functions, I'm guessing Google have one too

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we use some serverless functions in our statistical ingestion pipeline

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works great

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saves us hundreds of dollars per month actually

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 11:56 PM

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cool concept

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paying for execution time

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 11:56 PM

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yea

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pretty much what's happening with Ethereum and EOS with blockchain / computing

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 11:57 PM

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and MaidSafe too, right?

simple ravine Nov 14, 2017, 11:57 PM

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I haven't read about that one

delicate ore Nov 14, 2017, 11:57 PM

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i need to look into ethereum's

simple ravine Nov 15, 2017, 2:35 AM

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wow, these raw format photos are huge on this new camera lol

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~60 MB each

cosmic saffron Nov 15, 2017, 2:40 AM

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lots and lots of information

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but the camera should have the option to set whether it's compressed or not

simple ravine Nov 15, 2017, 2:41 AM

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yeah it has