i don't think it's that worth it
#tooldev-general
wind garden
I'm just trying to come up with ways to make it better
I still regularly find items that have already been sold somehow
but I don't know how I could get any faster
I've asked people how much quicker someone else had messaged them
sometimes it's whole seconds
much longer than the time it takes me to hit ctrl+v<enter>
probably just has to do with the cadence of when they're doing a fetch from the API
since we can only poll every 1.5seconds
if an item gets added within that 1.5 seconds they could potentially see it first
I think it's as good as it can get without using any sort of nefarious tactics like market manipulation
waxen lark
anyone familiar with making an item filter from scratch?
or does know if there is "AND" condition in item script
velvet fog
@waxen lark https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Item_filter
normal idol
Stash API problem: maps and map names for magic maps can have prefixes and suffixes mixed with the name of the map, and no other way exists to detect if an item is a map or not apart from parse-voodoo.
Shouldn't map items have params identifying it's base map name as well as it's shaped bitflag?
I'm seeing a lot of mixed variable uses in the API, which goes against coding standards tbh.
frametype can mean magic,rare or unique but it also indicates if something is a prophecy or a div card. But because maps can have different frametypes we can't use frametype to identify maps
(as being maps)
...
looking for the keyword map in the item works all times except for one prophecy so perhaps that is reliable enough...
building a master map word list instead of trying to dynamically identify items as maps in the stash API
let's hope rare items don't use one of the words in the map list! lol
wind garden
they should have the map name in their base item tag
@normal idol check out the property "typeLine"
{
"verified": false,
"w": 1,
"h": 1,
"ilvl": 83,
"icon": "http:\/\/web.poecdn.com\/image\/Art\/2DItems\/Maps\/AtlasMaps\/Shrine3.png?scale=1&w=1&h=1&v=d08e981dc904a48962e2ec8d4f5177c43",
"league": "Breach",
"id": "a528285453dbfda16fea710ed8c9c716e92302b62fb26ee2033b52711d78e86e",
"sockets": [],
"name": "",
"typeLine": "Shrine Map",
"identified": true,
"corrupted": false,
"lockedToCharacter": false,
"note": "~price 5 chaos",
"properties": [{
"name": "Map Tier",
"values": [["14",
0]],
"displayMode": 0,
"type": 1
}],
"descrText": "Travel to this Map by using it in the Eternal Laboratory or a personal Map Device. Maps can only be used once.",
"frameType": 0,
"x": 3,
"y": 9,
"inventoryId": "Stash44",
"socketedItems": []
},
woeful sphinx
that's the thing. if the map is magic, its prefix and/or suffix is also in typeLine
desert needle
that's correct, you have to do name voodoo
that is true for any base item
also don't forget if you do name voodoo, there are some hoops to jump through
can't remember specific examples, but like you might have Shrine Map and Deep Shrine Map that are different levels, so you need to look at the tier and the name
you can also use the icon url but that won't work with uniques
it's very expensive at scale, I think base item type determination was the most expensive part of item indexing by far for me
cursive bluff
What is the URL for the Atlas website? where you can simulate an Atlas?
cursive bluff
thanks! hah
chrome topaz
i just use longest substring match
the stash tab api is an afterthought, the json data originally was intended for display on forums (tooltips), i think that's pretty clear
that's why it's kinda shitty to parse
mortal bone
Most of the apis are for display use
Most of the time they have just been forced into working for developers or we force the apis to work for us
compact isle
something I plan on addressing at some point ๐
velvet fog
trade enhance part 2?
mortal bone
Hopefully a real api lol oauth would make everything easier too
velvet fog
oauth for login and private stash search?
compact isle
oauth is high on my personal list yes
torpid mesa
Niiice
velvet fog
Wish List
- Separate the affix from typeLine
- Add ItemClassesID
- Separate the mod string and value
normal idol
@mortal bone I've approached CW about this and I get that GGG is way too busy to mess with the API right now. Hopefully in the future we can perhaps as a community come together and present a wish list for the API. My #1wishforAPI would be that an ontologist is hired so that you can point at some object and the traits of that object are standardized over the whole API so that the thing can be fully normalized; this alone would cut about 980mb/hr out of the river.
desert roost
@mortal bone ^
mortal bone
Well, the river, as xyz said, is an afterthought
The api definitely just needs an overhaul, and it seems like novynn is on it
normal idol
On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:33 PM, Chris Wilson chris@grindinggear.com wrote:
I think that it's unlikely that the team would overhaul how the API works
at this stage, so I'd recommend not spending time on a doc just for us.Chris
I offered to freely consult on it.
<-- stashi.org dev btw
Seems like it's changed recently which is good news! ๐
compact isle
I'm not talking about changing how it works, just how it is presented
normal idol
I had suggested a method to get a public stash list from using a user acct name, so we could read a smaller number of stashes for users and save our bandwidth bills.
Stashi.org will have to accept copy/paste data from users for their stashes because we've decided against using the php sessid due to potential social engineering vulnerability. Users should not be handing out phpsessid to anyone but the site it originated from, imho.
compact isle
such a thing would be solved with oauth into the private stash api and just filtering into only public stashes from there
normal idol
that would be beautiful and elegant
wouldn't oauth prevent users from hiding their profiles from 3rd parties they gave oauth to?
compact isle
no, you can control which sections of information you give with oauth
like if a user didn't want you to have certain parts of their profile they could refuse access to that part from your tool
normal idol
ahh cool so they can give us access to their stashes but not their equipment, characters or build trees then
neat
compact isle
yeah, although as the tool maker you could require that and refuse to work without it of course
normal idol
ladder data will be critical for us
but
I'm a user>tool proponent
users are first
to use our site they only need to give us their stash they want to check
this will help us prevent xxs on our end because the copy/paste json from a user opens more of a vulnerability than getting the data from a trusted source
not much more but bulk data is always better from trusted sources
mortal bone
OAuth is probably one of the things that would make everything better. The current system makes users give a lot of control over to tool developers (like the entire account)
Kind of a shitty situation
normal idol
@compact isle would it be possible to someday expect a river API that is more normalized? ie: record id numbers instead of raw text and a single document giving us the record ids? ie: instead of "Shaped Shore Map" could be "224" if that was the id in the doc. This kind of thing could dramatically lower the load of the river for some of the smaller devs and speed up our read time too.
compact isle
probably not to that extent, but when I was talking about improving the item json then it would also affect the river formatting too
normal idol
It would be awesome to have a database ontological specialist go through and fully optimize it all but I get it if it's just too much work right now.
I'm keen to see the improvements. Are they slated for a particular release date or just bubbling in the cooker atm? ๐
normal idol
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
...affixes alone though... there are like only maybe 700 different possible affixes total once you reduce them into simple strings (eg. %30 to fire resistance). Can you imagine how much data would be reduced if we had a table of those rids instead of the full affix. Then the values could be chained as [val1,val2] as there are only ever two values in each affix field.
very much looking forward to the result
so %30 to fire resistance becomes: 443,30,0
over the whole river that is at least 1/2 the data
gritty olive
jwt ๐
obtuse citrus
@normal idol: if they had an official API to their data you could just expose the foreign keys to the mods and the values there and you pretty much have what you suggested, I vaguely renember someone from GGG saying though implementing that isn't as straight forward
Also there are much more then 700 mods
Also if you're at the ponit of "reducing" things you're already close to what the game does, and might just want to have the stats on items exposed prior to translation (which again, could just link to a data-api list of stats), has some added benefit that this is language neutral and makes sorting/searching for some things easier, but at the same time would end up needing at some point processing them to display them to the use
mortal bone
I think they just want a smaller payload
You could have all the definitions sent on the first grab (ID=00000...). This would still be language neutral. Displaying them isn't a problem. Basically what is being described is a hash of the actual mod which means we have an O(1) look-up at display time
@normal idol are you using gzip on the river?
normal idol
@obtuse citrus just to clarify, I meant rare affixes and including corrupt, implicit and explicit affixes there are less than 700 distinctly worded affixes. Didn't include enchants because they are a different kind of affix with only 3 varriants per difficulty and soon to be only 2 varriants in all liklihood. Standard will have older unuused and legacy affixes probably available but these are name strings only, without any conditions associated. Not sure what your background is but if you're a computer programmer, you'll consider that knowing distinct strings that identify an affix can mean normalization is therefore possible and those affixes don't need to be repeated in the river or in stashes. They could be a 700 item list with record numbers that reduce the amount of data being sent out, which saves everyone money including GGG if it's implemented. However it may be more expensive for processing power if the engine is still using un-normilized (UNF or 1/2NF) data (which it appears to be, or at least it's not a 3+NF database, or GGG could easily export normalized API; since GGG cannot do so easily and have repeatedly said it's difficult to do so, then and therefore the data is likely UNF or 1NF or possibly 2NF only).
wind garden
i just wish we had some information about any changes coming to trade
might make some of our development efforts unnecessary
even saying "nothing is coming" would be better than no info at all
normal idol
@wind garden CW has told us that the API is a permanent feature because GGG sells public stash tabs which can be interpreted as that there will be zero changes to the fundamental trade system that would affect 3rd party tools apart from changes in syntax and data.
wind garden
but that doesn't mean there won't be some new feature that makes the API obsolete
simply stating that they won't break backwards compatibility doesn't prevent them from adding new features
normal idol
@mortal bone We won't rely on the river for our usaage. Our data will come from poe.ninja who have kindly posted APIs for people for pricing commodities. Stashi.org will process the equipment in use from ladder players and our user stashes for all our needs and then we will release a DEMAND FACTOR for each affix and the synergy of certain affixes based on the meta/ladder data.
wind garden
did poe.ninja post the api publicly?
normal idol
@wind garden CW's wording was pretty much concise enough that it meant they value 3rd party as a model and won't deliberately break it.
wind garden
or only on request?
normal idol
wind garden
what is stashi btw?
normal idol
you can swap the string between Get<string>Overview to get all the different items
wind garden
lol corp firewall blocking that link
mortal bone
@normal idol then you don't really rely on GGG
I am confused here
You want changes to the api, but you are using a third party?
normal idol
@wind garden Stashi will batch parse our user's stashes and let them know what stuff is worth, but we're also working on a way to perform valuation for rare affixes;
mortal bone
You also might want to be careful to not crap on someone else's bandwidth either
normal idol
@mortal bone the syntax changes would also apply to the JSON they use in stashes
wind garden
ok so that's why you want API changes to fetch individual player stashes
mortal bone
They already have that
normal idol
We've talked directly to poe.ninja about pulling their data on chron maybe a few times
mortal bone
The user just needs to log in lol
wind garden
right....
normal idol
we wouldn't need their stuff at ninja for like more than a few times a day
wind garden
but we were talking yesterday about oauth
normal idol
oauth would be nice really really nice
wind garden
right
mortal bone
Either one
normal idol
We simply won't use the session key. It's too much of a risk for users and we don't want our db targeted for those keys. lol
Oauth though is really nice
wind garden
you keep referring to 'we', is there another member of discord here that you're working with?
normal idol
bc it would be only be for stashes and ladder we would use
not on discord -- my old guildies and irl friend too
wind garden
i see
mortal bone
You don't need to store that information
And you shouldn't
You can have a user login without ever hitting your server
normal idol
It will depend how ggg codes it.
They may do a public key, which 3rd party can store and it would be for that 3rd party alone.
OR
mortal bone
You can do it now
normal idol
poesessid is private key
mortal bone
You can either have your user grab that (like most applications) or you can have then login
Then grab it yourself
Store it on their machine
normal idol
Until we get oauth, the users will need to be logged in themselves to pathofexile.com and then copy/paste their stashes so we don't handle their session stuff.
it's the way poeprices.info does it
mortal bone
This is a web app?
wind garden
can see why you wouldn't want to make yourself a target....
mortal bone
You can use javascript web sockets
mortal bone
Would you not just post data to a processor?
normal idol
but I won't bore you.
mortal bone
And many would write a novel why not to write php ;)
normal idol
haha touche
wind garden
obviously the solution is to use coldfusion
normal idol
for our uses it's enough
mortal bone
I understand you don't want your processing code to be public, but you can do a lot in the user's browser
normal idol
I'm an old timer open source guy. We'll release our info up to the point of how we arrive at solutions to the public.
I also prefer heurristics to complex certainty; it only has to be "good enough"
mortal bone
Sweet, open source is best.
normal idol
as well as releasing our rare affix valuation info
I'm an old time slashdotter too! ๐
normal idol
only if you feed trolls
wind garden
every time i read something on slashdot I look at the comments and it's just a ton of people complaining or criticizing
wind garden
sure but nobody ever says, "wow that's cool, can't wait!"
instead it's, "it probably won't work" or "they spent too much on this"
normal idol
That never needs to be stated, imho -- if something is good enough people use it. If it isn't they shouldn't cry about it !! haha
normal idol
My fav slashdot comment was the why spam solutions won't work checklist
wind garden
which, oddly enough, i don't find as negative
normal idol
em prolly knows -- haven't used c since college
wind garden
oo looks like there's a log4cpp
do you guys know the requirements for releasing binaries that use LGPL libraries?
in other words, does it require you to release source code with it
normal idol
GPL is pretty much always requiring full source code disclosure but if you go with creativecommons instead you release whatever you want; but yeah anything released using a subcomponent covered under GPL must also use GPL
it's an unbreakable chain
wind garden
yes for GPL
but as I understand, Lesser GPL (LGPL) allows you to not release your source as long as you dynamically link to the LGPL library
normal idol
very much
mortal bone
You must disclose source with lgpl
normal idol
I pref GPL ๐
wind garden
i'm talking about a non LGPL program linking to a LGPL library
"The main difference between the GPL and the LGPL is that the latter allows the work to be linked with (in the case of a library, 'used by') a non-(L)GPLed program, regardless of whether it is free software or proprietary software.[1] The non-(L)GPLed program can then be distributed under any terms if it is not a derivative work."
mortal bone
As long as you use the LGPL product as a black box then you can have closed source code
As long as you disclose that you are using such software
wind garden
alright, that's what I was wondering
mortal bone
As soon as you make modifications to the LGPL product you must disclose source
wind garden
right
normal idol
It's always better to release everything there is so people can debug and improve it.
Although some proprietary components can save you a lot of time.
wind garden
ya, my asking wasn't related to PoE though
normal idol
They can also cause a lot of hassle.
wind garden
i'm at work right now ๐
normal idol
and open your product to vulnerabilities
Most really complicated things can be simplified extensively... but style has such an importance today that substance often is missing or neglected.
mortal bone
@wind garden I would go to your legal person lol
mortal bone
Avoid GPL completely if your company doesn't want to produce code lol
wind garden
googles license just states that your source files need to include their comment block disclaimer saying "this code is used as is"
google's libraries are amazing btw
if you've ever looked at protocol buffers or gRPC
aaaaand they have no documentation at all
great....
oh nevermind
found it
mortal bone
Google is generally pretty good with documentation
fickle yew
You can use LGPL just fine as long as you just use their binary.
wind garden
ya that's what it looks like
but I think this google library will work out just fine
less hassle
pseudo ocean
Does anybody know when public stash tabs were available the first time? More exactly the time of the first result set from the river.
Also, what's the time interval between two result sets?
ebon oasis
well public tabs were anounced like in march last year, don't know when they went live
velvet fog
@pseudo ocean : https://redd.it/48i4s1
desert needle
it doesn't really matter
the first result from the river is NOW
you don't get a historical run of it if you access it now, you only get what's available now
if you're just curious from a historical perspective of when the API first became public, um....
March 1 2016. But again, if you start pulling data now, you're not pulling data from Mar 1 2016, you'll pulling data from right now.
there is also no time interval between sets, it's giving you chunks at a time
(and I just realized chuanhsing already linked that, haha)
pseudo ocean
Sorry if I am wrong here, but is there an offline planer tool working on linux?
pseudo ocean
yeah it seems it uses a lot of windows libraries. I think i"ll use Wine, thanks!
mortal bone
Yeah, no problem. .net 4.6 is supported in wine, so I would hope everything would work
wind garden
Would mono work?
mortal bone
If mono is updated
You can run a check on the source with some tool (forgot the name) where it will tell you if it can
We may use a few features or libraries that aren't supported (like the UI)
wind garden
@compact isle can you see if it would be possible to add some sort of indicator to items in the API to show whether they're relic or not?
unless it's already planned for
can only imagine having relic and non-relic items looking identical exceppt one has better stats
or better yet, only difference being that display integer to show that it should be displayed as foil instead of orange lol
floral dawn
They have a new frametype to indicate they should have the foil frame
wind garden
so that's the only change?
i mean, it's usable, but not exactly clean
i guess if you dont' want to change the schema...
torpid mesa
Mono didn't support Windows presentation foundation last time I tried to run one of the planners on linux
wind garden
aww
"At this point, no group in the Mono project has plans to implement Windows Presentation Foundation APIs as part of the project."
torpid mesa
Rip switch to qt
wind garden
probably unnecessary since microsoft is working on .Net-Core
torpid mesa
Tru
wind garden
soon it'll natively support linux
assuming they implement wpf
or maybe something new
mortal bone
Wine supports almost everything at this point
And net core is basically the new mono
mortal bone
I was trying to edit
mortal bone
Fat fingered
wind garden
does it abstract windows APIs to linux ones then?
mortal bone
But yes wine is a layer which takes windows commands and converts them to Linux commands
wind garden
k
mortal bone
It's a cool inbetween layer
wind garden
i remember playing PoE on my macbook pro with wine
it was pretty rough but that was more because of my graphics card
and this was before all the perf improvements to poe
mortal bone
I think there is a wrapper somewhere on the forums about it
wind garden
ya idk if it's been updated
at the time it was old with a sort of disclaimer saying "It should still work"
mortal bone
No idea; I don't own a mac
wind garden
i wanna see stuff using Vulkan and running on Clear Linux or SteamOS
that would be sick
pseudo ocean
Why does the public stash api return empty stash tabs?
wind garden
because it's the diff between the last time that person updated their stash
it's how the indexes can see when something is no longer for sale
so someone had something for sale in their stash tab and then they removed it. Once they remove it a stash update goes out with an empty stash
chrome topaz
i think if you start consuming it from the beginning there's actually a huge section in the middle where it's just empty tabs
pseudo ocean
@chrome topaz yes, been though that and got a little paranoid thinking the indexer is flawed ^^
@wind garden Never though of it that way, mainly because at the moment i'm just messing around with actual item processing and i didn't get to the part where i need to remove them ^^
wind garden
I think all the empty tabs are void league tabs being deleted. @compact isle explained it once
compact isle
if they don't have an account name then they're voided yeah
desert needle
there's a tag in the JSON data that indicates if it's a removed tab iirc
wind garden
Man, WPF in C# does some things so well and other things are just insanely complicated for no reason. Microsoft lacks consistency. For instance, in WinForms they previously had a NumericalUpDown box for integer input. In WPF they removed it and didn't include any equivalent. Why?
woeful sphinx
Use a UI library on top of it. E.g. MahApps.Metro looks great and has a bunch of additional controls.
wind garden
Ya I know there's options. I just don't get Microsoft's decision making
like, if you want to make a window that doesn't have the min/max/close buttons on it. The only way is to use a pinvoke Win32 API
Why isn't that part of the framework?
woeful sphinx
The seem to like making partly finished UI frameworks and then abandoning them. Isn't there like UWP or someting now?
wind garden
ya
think it was intended for mobile
but we all know how popular microsoft phones are
mortal bone
UWP is for the App interface that microsoft is pushing
Xbox, Windows Phone, and Windows Store
leaden cedar
playing around with the stash API, trying to figure out what a number is. It's stashes->items->properties->values[0] (whats that second number?)
Example would be:
{
"name": "Quality",
"values": [
[
"+17%",
1
]
],
"displayMode": 0,
"type": 6
},
leaden cedar
is there any docs out there on this that I'm missing? or just tribal knowledge?
I initially thought it was a placeholder. But I'm guessing the order of those values are the placeholder now. Regardless, I definitely appreciate the response. ๐
velvet fog
@leaden cedar : https://redd.it/48i4s1
mortal bone
Mostly tribal knowledge
leaden cedar
cool cool, I may ask a decent bit of questions, I'll document it somewhere and put it online
chrome topaz
no docs
leaden cedar
no docs as in there are no docs? or no docs as in saying you wouldn't want me to document?
mortal bone
I would throw them on the wiki
compact isle
another thing that I should probably do at some point
writing documentation is easy, writing good documentation is not
chrome topaz
lol
why wouldn't i want you to document
what a weird question
i wonder if ggg even has internal docs for that
mortal bone
I would hope so
I would hate to see @compact isle come in and have to learn it all from what he sees us do lol
obtuse citrus
I'd recommend editing the wiki to document it if this is user documentation
as novynn said the problem is mainly how ot make the documentation decent enough to understand, I think it's a bit annoying with how nested json can be to properly reflect that in documenation
compact isle
I've seen some successful documentation where it breaks nested json down into parts
but yeah I don't think our format could be reflected very well
obtuse citrus
On the other hand, poor documentation is better then no documenation at all ๐
compact isle
this is also true
velvet fog
Anyone want to make first shot https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API
mortal bone
unless it is wrong
I think the skill tree one is relatively updated
although, I may go through and clean it up
the official documentation for the public stash tab api is pretty poor
Is there really a need for the structure to be that large?
turbid patrol
it'd be great to document what in the json response can be used as an identifier. afaict from what little docs there are theres no way to identify a stash tab from two separate requests as being the same tab since the id changes when something in the tab changes?
compact isle
stash ids don't change
velvet fog
I had modified the https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Public_stash_tab_API
turbid patrol
stash id on the item or the id field in the stash object @compact isle?
When you update an item in a tab, or update the tab itself it's ID will take the next available one from the pool on that server shard (the old ID is discarded, and never reused).
implies the id changes.
compact isle
it's change_id
sorry that part is badly worded ๐ฆ
stash ids shouldn't change (ever as far as I know)
item ids will change depending on who is holding it, or if it gets stacked with something else it can be destroyed / reset to something different
turbid patrol
so the actual ID for the stash tab never changes? that would make sense and be helpful but didnt seem to be what was described by the sparse docs ๐ฆ
and i hadnt finished indexing enough to see a collision (or trigger one myself with a known tab)
still very much in the "what does this doooo" phase of looking at writing some tooling haha
fickle yew
The stash tab id remains the same for the same stash tab, yes.
So you can use it later to update the contents when you receive that id again.
turbid patrol
sweet, thats how i was treating it. glad to hear its just a confusing doc!
haughty night
Hello, can I get the exact syntax used when copy/pasting items somewhere? I'm working on a Price Checker because I'm bored at work and can't find that... Thanks in advance
desert needle
going back a few hours, when it comes to tribal knowledge on the item JSON data, the exiletools stuff is fairly out of date but some of that is universal and may be worth checking when wondering about things. So, for example, while it doesn't answer the specific question above, next up if you're looking for Elemental Damage you might find data in that project, i.e. https://github.com/trackpete/exiletools-indexer/issues/62
there are a lot of basic explanations for stuff if you search the issues or repo, things like item rarity and whatnot
haughty night
That's pretty great resource, thanks.
desert needle
just keep in mind while most of the JSON data is the same, there have been some fundamental changes here and there ๐
wind garden
@floral dawn I'm getting "Rate limit exceeded" on the league list API
http://api.pathofexile.com/leagues?type=main&compact=1&limit=4
is that because of me or because there's too many people in general?
desert needle
it's specific to you
IP based rate limiting, on most of the standard API endpoints they don't want you to hit all of the endpoints combined more than X times per Y period
wind garden
k, that's really strange though
that's not an API I should be calling often
must have just been a bug in my code, seems to be fixed now
desert needle
if you're hitting the ladder often too it'll trigger the same rate limiter since they're on the same stuff
mortal bone
I believe all the apis, except stash tab, are 45 requests per minute.
wind garden
ya I must have had some sort of issue where it looped constantly on failure
I found a couple of issues that I fixed this morning though
I rewrote my app this weekend in WPF and converted everything to use TPL. So there were a few bugs heh
normal idol
@chrome topaz would it be possible to enable user accounts on poe.trade? I'd like to propose some ideas in conjunction with user stash tabs, notibly giving users a way to bundle items they want to sell and advertize on poe.trade and also allowing users to ban sellers that didn't meet their needs is a way of community self-policing too
pulsar moat
might want to reword that "allowing users to ban sellers that [...]"
users banning other users doesn't sound right
normal idol
@chrome topaz considering doing a port of procurement to allow users to build bundles of stuff then send that info in a post to poe.trade so you could handle the searches of this stuff; ie: user wants to sell 50xt13 maps for 100c... or if they want to save all their leveling gear into one bundle and have one price for that bundle.
@pulsar moat ban is definitely the word; but it's only banning within the user's own scope (ie: blacklist or block list)
pulsar moat
I think 'block' is more appropriate here
normal idol
it would certainly clear up the noise pollution from the river to have user accounts on poe.trade
I was planning to do something like this on stashi.org however the amount of bandwidth is simply outside our budget. poe.trade is already reading the river so they are the ideal candidate to take this on unless someone else is interested...
Instead we will probably fork procurement to read a user's stashes and give them the ability to build bundles pretty fast using either set prices or prices populated by poe.ninja on commodies as well as using our own data regarding rare affix demand values.
Just looking at how it would be best to list the bundles.
Emailed CW about it and his response was that bundle prices for a stash is a good idea but GGG lacks the HR power atm to rework it that way... by letting users set a bundle price on a public stash for everything in that stash, or to add some vendor sold item to allow allow users to bundle together items under one bulk price, so they can be stored bundled in a public stashes and traded with one click to up to the size of the trade window.
thinking it would be cool to have a bundle of all the challenge league items you would need for one price, a bunch of maps, a slew of div cards, a full ES set for a build, a proph chain set... etc
mortal bone
there is a problem with bundling stash tabs though: you can't trade it in one go
12x12 vs 5x12
2.5 trade windows is a lot of trust that most people don't have
normal idol
@mortal bone You're right. We intend on splitting up the stuff read in a stash into bundles that are max trade window size, so that a trader can quickly alt tab and see what needs to go in each trade window, and for what price. It's easy if you're trading maps to just build 60xmap bundles. Same with prophs. Items that are stackable will have to also be handled. Perhaps an auto hotkey app can be coded so when you get a trade whisper for a bundle it will show you what is in the bundle. That's in the works but still very much in early development.
@mortal bone I had also suggested to CW that a new 60x60 tiled bundle container be sold at vendors to allow players to add things to it so it could be stored in the stash and given one price for the river.
gritty olive
poe.fyi is back, cloudflare yesterday was pretty destructive D:
wind garden
is poe.fyi just like a wiki resource only for gems?
cosmic saffron
it also links to poe.trade for those gems
gritty olive
@wind garden yep, there is more coming though
crystal moon
Anyone know if there's any other trade utilities like Acquisition and, Procurement?
normal idol
Working on stashi at the moment.
We will be a little similar to procurement except scan your bags to price them against poe.ninja data and also rare affix demand values.
Probably won't be done for this league.
crystal moon
bags?
normal idol
lol stashes bro
wind garden
Any of you guys ever used Xamarin for mobile app development?
wind garden
is VisualGGPK the only way to unpack the ggpk file?
nevermind, figured that out
now I'm wondering about licensing
does anyone know what GGG's rules are for using and distributing their audio files or other content collateral?
someone suggested I make a soundboard app that plays character dialog clips
I'm guessing that's against some license but does anyone know for sure?
crystal moon
All content unless stated otherwise is termed All Rights Reserved. You would need explicit permission to use the dialog clips as it's GGG's Intellectual Property. There is however the whole "remix-round-about" you can use to void copyright.
wind garden
meh, it's not super important
just wanted to make something for fun
I'd rather just make something useful that doesn't conflict with IP licensing
not saying the copyright isn't important, meant that my app idea wasn't important
crystal moon
GGG is pretty open with licensing, considering how much they support fan creations, you probably wouldn't run into any issues. I would ask them just incase, but they would probably give you the go ahead.
wind garden
ya i already emailed support
crystal moon
As long as it's not for profit, you should get the go ahead.
mortal bone
^that is key. As long as there is no profit, or you get permission to make profit, you should be golden
obtuse citrus
@wind garden: You can use PyPoE to unpack the ggpk as well
solid granite
Have the calculation for the life been remade? http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Life
wind garden
does anyone know why cloudflare had passwords stored anyways? I thought it was just a gatekeeper
torpid mesa
they didnt
the issue was stuff in cache and memory was dumped into pages being served to someone else
wind garden
Ah, so there was a lot more than just passwords leaked
wind garden
talk about single point of failure
torpid mesa
yep
mortal bone
Things like this happen all the time. This isn't the first time a massive leak like this has gone unnoticed for years
pseudo ocean
cough google
(as a company, not to search)
even hotmail had a xss exploit unnoticed for many months
peak violet
This doesn't happen all the time. Cloudflare is by far the largest reverse proxy and man in the middles do many SSL connections on the internet now. To leak decrypted SSL traffic in random requests that were then cached is basically the worst. Just because google and Bing or whoever cleared their caches doesn't matter because your leaked data might be sitting in petabytes of data governments dedicate to spidering the web. I'm not even going to think about regulated sites with HIPAA data if they made the mistake of using cloudflare reverse proxies. Hopefully nobody made that kind of decision or its defcon 5 for them
errant sandal
Can anyone help me understand a bit of Aquisition's C++ code?
I want to know how Aquisition notifies poe.trade of an update to the shop.
starting on line 238
torpid mesa
looks like it just sends a get to http://verify.poe.trade/threadnumber/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
torpid mesa
yw
wind garden
@mortal bone do you use Mahapps.Metro for poeskilltree?
mortal bone
Yep
wind garden
actually, no point even asking. It's obvious you do
lol
I just started using it for a project, it's pretty nice
mortal bone
Yep, it is pretty great.
fierce anvil
is there any updated tool for the new skilltree allready?
waxen ridge
skill tree info comes out tomorrow
fierce anvil
oh k ty
mild obsidian
Hey, I was thinking about trying to make a tool that reads out the current Life, ES and Mana in realtime by reading from the values from memory. I would need to use something like cheat engine to find the location of these stats, is this considered a banable offence?
quaint moon
I would think that it is, but can't confirm
it's against the tos to meddle with the game files
mild obsidian
Oh, I was not going to change any game files, just read the hp value out of memory while the program was running, but I won't be doing that then :)
THen I'll have to find some kind of low latency OCR, or figure out a trick to determen the life visually
outer jay
Image recognition :p
ebon oasis
i can think of 2 tools that can do image recognition, but not sure how they would handle running in background waiting for a picture to not exist, cos thats probably the better way to handle this case
also they would probably trigger when you mouse over the health/mana globe
mild obsidian
Yeah, the real problem is not getting OCR software to work, but it's getting to to be fast enough to work in real time
ebon oasis
-_- i got a working script, that starts beeping when hp globe goes bellow 3/4ths full
its reaction time is about 1s
hm nope, its just the beep delay
@mild obsidian rHermes i used a tool called sikuli, set it on an infinite loop to check if a picture exists every 0.1s and to beep if it doesn't, and the picture was the bottom 3/4ths of the health globe
mild obsidian
Oh wow, that is nice, I'll look into that :)
My idea was to make an globe girls overlay, but seeing as they return in 3.0 anyway, it might not be worth the effort.
mild obsidian
Yeah, but what I'm talking about here is not just detecting if life is under a certain percent
If the script is to be of any use, it needs to be updated as close to real time as possible and contain the exact life values at the time.
I supposed i could make a lot of picture of the globes and get a very finy granularity like that
ebon oasis
well this thing reacts in 0.1s, just the default beep takes a bit cos how the sound file is
well if you want it like that, yeah
this wont get you exact values
mild obsidian
Ohh, I could just check if the pixels are set to the healt color. It would be a little worse for es shield, seeing as people have different styles there, but then the visual stuff would atleast be the same.
ebon oasis
i'm still in shock i got this working so fast
well "working"
i'm not home so i can't test it in the game
mild obsidian
I hadne't heard of sikuli, It seems nice. I was thinking of either using AHK or go, depending on how hellish the AHK scripting would be
I'm not very good at AHK >_<
ebon oasis
sikuli is all about picture recognition
i automated a few annoying tasks at work with it
its about find a picture, click on it, or next to it, or wahtever
mild obsidian
I'm really excited about the possibility of automating browser through the Chrome Debugging Protocol
It's not in any way stable yet, but it will be fun to see what it can do in the future. But this is getting offtopic, so I'll calm my inner fan girl
ebon oasis
interesting, we are using sahi for browser automation at work
and found out about Screenster recently that looks nice
hmm, "simple google search exmaple"... 1.5 pages of code
timid fable
@mild obsidian this may be of interest https://github.com/trackpete/exiletools-xph-macro
and also confirming, reading from memory isn't allowed https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/592979/page/4#p5284492
mild obsidian
Esge, go code is seldom shorter than that, due to the built in verbosity of the language. The real advante is not needing any extra software isntalled to drive the browser.
ebon oasis
fair enough
mild obsidian
Carbo thank you very much, this is almost exactly what I was looking for, I'll see if i can adapt it to my use
Go also produces staticly linked binaries, so it would be as simple as uploading a single .exe to the machine you want to automate and run it.
crystal moon
Has anyone created a library of poe items yet?
For developing, I mean I know the wiki exists.
uneven wyvern
Anybody here use the Lutbot macro?
I just downloaded version 141 and when I press F10 to open up the settings, the icon is shown on my taskbar but is nowhere to bee seen on screen.
the logout hotkey works so I know the program is running
uneven wyvern
Nvm it's fixed. had to restart again
mossy skiff
Fastest way to fetch a database (preferably XML) of all base items and uniques?
obtuse citrus
Aside from the wiki you can also use the game data (i.e. with PyPoE), but it will only have base items. And you probably need to put in some more effort depending on what you need
crystal moon
I think I'm going to port the wiki into a library.
obtuse citrus
depending on your needs game data might be better (or something based on this, like https://github.com/brather1ng/RePoE ), I think there are existing wiki scrapers already
crystal moon
Interesting repo, looks alright if you dig JSON. Not really my flavour though.
wind garden
wonder how long before Path of Building is updated
mortal bone
whenever he adds the data
wind garden
Getting a crash
mortal bone
pm me?
velvet pasture
yo emmitt whats up? i havent been able to use the skill tree in months sue to a missing stack trace
velvet pasture
will try to reinstall and see if that fixes it but it diddent last time
velvet pasture
nope still having issues getting it to run it said there is a missing stack trace in the roaming debug.txt
mortal bone
you should send me the debug
velvet pasture
ho would i do that? sory i dont use discord much
*how
found it and sent the debug
mortal bone
thanks
crystal moon
@mortal bone Hey does PoESkillTree not calculate the added damage provided by Herald of Ash on phys builds?
crystal moon
Hm, It's showing me Herald of Ice data, but not Herald of Ash.
Not that it's hard to calculate.
mortal bone
It is possible that Herald of Ice is calced since it is flat damage
crystal moon
Yea, HoI is showing up, but not HoA. Just wierd one shows up and not the other, but oh well no biggy.
mortal bone
Herald of Ice is flat damage which is already calced because of items and such. Herald of Ash is a % added fire which isn't something we have supported
woeful sphinx
Auras aren't "officially" supported but I think % added works for support gems. I don't think anyone even from us knows what works and what doesn't with that calculation stuff ^^
mortal bone
that is also true. That was put in 2+ years ago at this point
obtuse citrus
mark_ggg is probably the only one who really knows ๐
stark sail
I just downloaded and installed the 2.6 version of the PoeSkillTree and when I open it I dont see the new tree and when I try check for updates it says that it is up to date - can anyone help?
ebon oasis
i just can confirm that i get the same
woeful sphinx
does Help -> About say "Version 2.6.0"?
stark sail
yes
woeful sphinx
weird, no idea what may have went wrong. downloading the zip release (https://github.com/EmmittJ/PoESkillTree/releases/download/2.6.0/PoESkillTree-AtlasofWorlds-2.6.0.zip) and copy pasting Data/SkillTree.txt, Data/Opts.txt and Data/Assets into your installation's app data folder should fix it (should be C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\PoESkillTree - Atlas of Worlds\).
woeful sphinx
no problem!
velvet fog
@mortal bone any idea to fix strange lines. http://imgur.com/6UVLSOH with chinese translation SkillTree.txt
@mortal bone and I can't translate Opts.txt into chinese, got crash
uneven wyvern
How do I import my saved builds into PoESkillTree??? When I open the program, it wants me to select a build directory that is empty.
Nvm, gotta pick an empty folder then change I guess
mortal bone
@velvet fog ah, those nodes are handled via English because they all start with "Path of the..."
I will need the debug file for the opts problem
velvet fog
@mortal bone : I found the problem, the "name" (Marauder, Ranger) in Opts.txt must english
mortal bone
Yes, sorry about that
velvet fog
@mortal bone: I had revert the "Path of the..." related nodes, but still got strange lines
mortal bone
Hmm, if you are in another class besides scion can you get into its ascendancy tree?
Regex(@"Can Allocate Passives from the .* starting point");
Sorry, we use the stat rather than the name
You could just add a stat to each of them
velvet fog
@mortal bone: thanks! it's work
mortal bone
Sweet!!
cosmic sierra
hey im looking for a PoE discord bot
preferably something that will do item tooltips and wiki links
not needing it for trading or leaderboards or anything
pulsar moat
@cosmic sierra pm user @blocknite he made one in the past
Can't tag him on mobile but if you use the search feature for him in this channel you'll find him
mortal bone
@waxen ridge < there you go
waxen ridge
Oh hai there
I did a bot that worked the same as the one on reddit you type in [[Soul Taker]] And it returned you as a reply the Unique (no css)
It also had a picture and I think a link to the wiki, wouldn't be hard to do
I'll have to fire up my old computer to get the code off of it but if you really want it then feel free to ping me and i'll github it for you, fair warning I'm a JS dev so it's in node ๐
brittle heart
Hi guys, when using a loot filter. Should i uncheck the "always highlight" option in the UI, cz my filter doesnt seem to filter out anything, but it does highlight the items. If i uncheck "always highlight", the items show up but dissapeares when mouseovered, which happens alot during combat, im using ziggyd's filter.
timid fable
@brittle heart i can't remember the exact wording of the options right now. could you ask in #1โendgame-help? this channel is for tool development so not many people watch it compared to the general channels
brittle heart
oekey ๐
cursive bluff
is the Path of Building dev in here? (or someone who has used it pretty intently?)
wind garden
@timid hemlock yes
cursive bluff
noticing a lot of lag/resource hog, taking up about 40-50% CPU and having trouble moving the tree around. anyone else experiencing similar issues?
i am using the Portable version, if that means anything
pure needle
Maybe this is correct place to ask: can anyone upload the new MonsterMapDifficulty.dat and MonsterMapBossDifficulty.dat ?
obtuse citrus
Is there a reason you can't get them yourself? I can upload them if you want
pure needle
low on space on this computer and cannot access another computer today
obtuse citrus
pure needle
thanks!
obtuse citrus
pure needle
Thank you so much!
velvet fog
new dat: MapDeviceRecipes, MapInhabitants, UniqueJewelLimits
pure needle
chaunhsing, you are the guy behind poedb right?
velvet fog
ya
pure needle
I noticed you calculated hp values wrongly before, I can give you a more correct method (some rounding errors). But dunno how to pm in here ^^.
and also how I am certain it is correct beyond reasonable doubt.
You got any reddit account or somewhere else I can PM? I rather pm details in private since your site only displays results and not method.
velvet fog
/u/chuanhsing
pure needle
k thx, will take a few minutes to formulate, but I'll send a message with details there within 30 min
I really love your database ^^.
velvet fog
Im busy on decode new files, can't reply too much now
pure needle
ya, I just want to help back to a person that helped me so much but without revealing some details about method publically
so it is not in a hurry ๐
obtuse citrus
@velvet fog I can commit changes to my spec if yo uwant
Actually I just went ahead, just wanted to commit them with the other changes but no harm in committing them by themselves :p
velvet fog
@obtuse citrus: I had finished .dat part
obtuse citrus
oh ok
desert needle
looks like ggg never did fix the league API, Legacy isn't showing up in the league list
for anyone looking for the ladders they are at: http://api.pathofexile.com/ladders/Legacy http://api.pathofexile.com/ladders/Hardcore Legacy http://api.pathofexile.com/ladders/SSF Legacy http://api.pathofexile.com/ladders/SSF HC Legacy
cosmic saffron
not even the devs playing ssf
desert needle
also, random, but for anyone with a skill tree editor/planner, it might be a cool idea to add something like this: http://i.imgur.com/8JWfL3b.png (from https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/5xc4in/simple_threshold_jewel_placement_picture/)
pure needle
@velvet fog Ok, my pm to you through reddit is sent. Hopefully the instructions and proof were sufficiently readable. No hurry though.
pure needle
You are welcome ^^. And thanks for the quick update on the leaguestone affixes, I am drooling already at the chayula mod :3.
cosmic saffron
prophecy leaguestone with ๐
velvet fog
@pure needle : poedb had applied new life and damage formula, thanks
pure needle
Nice!
compact isle
what's wrong with it?
wind garden
let me check something
oh wait
i think i'm limiting it to 4 leagues
and there's 8 now
mortal bone
Wait...when was the league api fixed?!
compact isle
it was working at 8am this morning when I checked it
mortal bone
Na, I mean it used to only return dead races
compact isle
oh, you need to use type=main to get the big boy leagues
mortal bone
.>
compact isle
yeah it's weird but at least it's usable ๐
mortal bone
Yeah it used to be not usable at all lol
dusty fractal
do you guys have a build editor with the new tree ?
cosmic saffron
pathofbuilding is already updated
mortal bone
poeskiltree as well
livid zephyr
dense thorn
try updatimg directX
desert roost
@livid zephyr This isn't right place to ask for help with bugs and crashes unfortunately
This is more for 3rd party application developers
wind garden
@compact isle what was the json property to indicate legacy items?
compact isle
relic I think
wind garden
oh nice
it's new
isRelic
you guys are the best!, you actually added a unique property
compact isle
oh it is isRelic my bad
compact isle
haha ๐ you could've found it with frameType: 9 anyway (typos pls)
wind garden
my app kept finding me relic prism guardians which are worse ๐ฆ
this is bad though, it looks like poe.trade can't see items that are relics
my item isn't being listed
compact isle
yeah, will have to wait for xyz to update
I'm guessing because it's an unknown frametype
wind garden
why wouldn't they show up just like any item though?
it should show up but be indistinguishable
compact isle
who knows how xyz has his system set up ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
compact isle
I'm sure there's duct tape in there somewhere though
wind garden
i'm stuck with an item nobody can see!
on the plus side, i have an eye of chayula lol
feral ferry
chrome topaz
@wind garden what?
wind garden
poe.trade can't see relic items
chrome topaz
I check discord a few times per day so if you have a question just ask and I'll reply when I'm there
hmm what's a relic?
wind garden
legacy items
chrome topaz
ah
chrome topaz
I think it's not working because of a new frameType
wind garden
could be
chrome topaz
do you have a json sample?
chrome topaz
much appreciated
wind garden
np, thanks
chrome topaz
hmm should relic be another rarity?
chrome topaz
why?
wind garden
all relics are unique but not all uniques are relics
i guess it could work
but it doesn't seem correct
velvet fog
frametype: 9, isRelic: true
chrome topaz
yes I'm not sure if it's better to add to "item rarity" box or a separate toggle for it. I think rarity is a better choice though, especially how these items are only available in 1 league
compact isle
personally I'd go for it as a rarity tier
chrome topaz
@wind garden OK, should be fixed
wind garden
ty
vapid flame
hey i'm using the latest poe trademacro 2.0.1
and i edited the file in my documents
the additional macros .. and no dice =\
looks identical to my old file (in the previous version of the tool)
vapid flame
reinstalled and fixed (i think the naming of additional marcros changed)
buoyant tundra
for PoETradeMacro, what's the correct string for getting Legacy Softcore searches?
; "tmpstandard" (current SC Temp-League)
; "tmphardcore" (current HC Temp-League)
; "standard",
; "hardcore"```tmpstandard doesn't seem to work, pulls SSF
vapid flame
any luck?
buoyant tundra
yep, appears to be working now
vapid flame
sweet!
buoyant tundra
thanks bro
vapid flame
ha welcome .. i didn't do anything
wind garden
@fickle yew think poe.ninja is broken
it's not showing currency exchange rates correctly
compact isle
I think it relys on historical data so it might not be accurate for the first few days
fickle yew
@wind garden It looks fairly normal for a league start for me, what is wrong?
wind garden
odd
it's working now
it wasn't showin gprices for any currency
everything said 1c
that was it
fickle yew
Ah okay, there was a short while yesterday where a change gave that effect ๐
Thanks for the heads up though.
frail mountain
how many people work for Grinding Gear Games, and helped make PoE?
timid fable
@frail mountain not really a question for tool dev but they expanded from 60+ to 90+ employees last year
fickle yew
Added relics to poe.ninja ๐
velvet fog
ninja!
pseudo ocean
is there a ladder tracker?
wind garden
@mortal bone you were looking at this MercuryTrade app
how does it send input to the game?
i don't see it opening a chat window to type commands
mortal bone
I didn't actually finish looking through it
I had to sleep and do some homework
I was curious as to how myself.
wind garden
it says no memory injection
mortal bone
Java isn't my first language though, so it is a bit hard to browse
wind garden
but i don't know how else it would open trades and things
i should look at it, c# isn't too different
wind garden
still, it should open a chat window, type it, and hit enter
which i'd thing would break the whole "1 key, 1 action" thing
mortal bone
1 key, 1 server action
compact isle
^
mortal bone
very different
mortal bone
enter, command, enter is 1 server action
I know. I need to look through it, but I am typing up a paper currently. I let it ride because from first glace it looked fine
wind garden
there's something odd about this source code
i can't find anything that sends input to the game
only chat log parsing
you know
i think it's obfuscated
intentionally
there are files in it that don't decompile
guess it's time to change my PoE password
i posted in the redit page
someone else found parts that are referencing an external server and port
which makes nooooo sense for a local app
and given that it seems to be obviously hiding some things, I can't tell what else it is hiding
compact isle
the developers explaination for the external server was for automatic updates
wind garden
hmm, that could make sense
but still doesn't explain how they're sending input
or why the code doesn't decompile
mortal bone
@wind garden are you getting garbage for the handlers stuff?
the decompiler I am using just returns a file with nothing in it
mortal bone
That is concerning
wind garden
one returned null for the file
the other had garbage
i concluded it was obfuscated
the fact that they don't openly provide the source is pretty damning
there's just no reason not to
unless they're hiding something
mortal bone
They use a keyboard hook, but I can't find where it is used or how
desert roost
That's not shady at all.
mortal bone
Well, at some point you have to globally hook into the keyboard
espcially if you want to have an overall like that with hotkeys
(program not in foreground type deal)
desert roost
Yeah, but if you can't find out what it's doing, that's not very good.
mortal bone
It may just be the decompiler I am using
starting up another lol
I am going to message them and see if we can't get un obfuscated code
The more concerning portion of this tool is that it seems to auto-update without confirmation from the user
wind garden
well that and we can't actually see the auto-update code
we just have to take him at his word that he's using that server update to auto-update and not do something nefarious
either way, even if he is hooking into the keyboard, you'd see something display on screen
which you don't.....
thus, memory injection
timid fable
@wind garden you mean you don't see the chat box visually appear on screen? that's not proof of memory injection, that's PoE being so slow to start drawing the chatbox that it receives the keyboard input and closes the chatbox before you see it appear.
You can test this yourself with any other macro software (AHK et al) and sending (Enter)/hideout(Enter) all at once. The chat box never appears on screen (as far as I can tell @ 60fps).
I don't trust this app either but don't jump to incorrect conclusions without testing
the files in /lc/kra/system/keyboard/event look like they're from this library https://github.com/kristian/system-hook
mortal bone
yea
desert roost
Aside from that, it looks like the tool is performing a vertical port scan every 20 seconds.
mortal bone
He showed me the chat code and it is clean
desert roost
Can confirm.
timid fable
the dev showed you partial source code?
timid fable
from an outside observer that just lends more weight to the argument that they have something to hide
they could make this so much easier for themselves.
mortal bone
Yeah, seemed weird
wind garden
i've written stuff with autoit that did <enter>/hideout<enter>
chat window is visible
timid fable
then your input is slow
mortal bone
The chat command code is clean
timid fable
? no the chat box not appearing doesn't make anything look better or worse. it's completely neutral
wind garden
you saw the code typing input?
mortal bone
One sec
public ChatHelper() {
initHandlers();
try {
robot = new Robot();
} catch (AWTException e) {
e.printStackTrace();
}
}
setForegroundWindow("Path of Exile");
robot.keyPress(KeyEvent.VK_ENTER);
robot.keyRelease(KeyEvent.VK_ENTER);
It looks ok @wind garden
there is more, but it looks more or less the same
wind garden
mmk
mortal bone
Are you running the program?
mortal bone
Was it scanning your ports?
wind garden
i didn't check
mortal bone
Mmk
wind garden
shae said itw as
wind garden
ya i don't trust it
mortal bone
Seems like it is trying to hit every port
mortal bone
Yeah...
wind garden
why is that class called Robot?
isn't that a little odd of a name?
why not "keyboard" something
wind garden
ya
the second I realized there were files that couldn't be decompiled for no obvious reason I stopped running it and changed my PoE password
mortal bone
Well if you look at https://github.com/Exslims stared pages you will see what I mean
wind garden
which one in particular?
wind garden
lawl pickit
timid fable
they were planning to include flask macro at one point. so the original scope of the project wasn't only trade
mortal bone
Yeah
wind garden
dude, it's totally messing with memory
mortal bone
I will have to boot up a proper vm tomorrow with some tools
timid fable
yes
wind garden
created 2 days ago
timid fable
it's dumped as one commit so you'd have to download and do a diff with a version of the official poetrademacro from before 2 days ago
to know what was "fixed"
mortal bone
Yep
timid fable
could be a benign bugfix for all we know ๐
mortal bone
How was it messing with memory? Ran the program for a few seconds to capture the screen shot above
mortal bone
Oh ok
timid fable
don't have proof at all, you mean
mortal bone
Process Explorer should be able to view stuff like that
Or Process Monitor
I don't want to damn them without solid evidence
No reason to kill someone's reputation because of closed source code
mortal bone
It looks as though the port scanning is just poorly implemented update code
It is sending the program version back to the host every 5s
timid fable
on multiple ports?
mortal bone
They are using a package Netty
Every 20s it looks like a channel does and they just start on a new port
I am not sure as to why, but I think it is just a poorly coded updater
desert roost
I can paste the appropriate code section here
timid fable
mortal bone
They don't know why it is happening, so I informed then
fromย etofokย sentย 7 minutes ago
We don't have the pinpoint answer for this. Best guess - this is a part of the server framework we're using.ย https://netty.io/ย this
timid fable
I believe that, but it doesn't inspire confidence in their product
mortal bone
This was a kludge for something server connection related. It's now reworked, should be fine on next update
From him again
wary quarry
does someone know, how poe.trade creates the url for a specific search? Is there a way to map old searches like this http://poe.trade/search/abaawokumaraet to the new one ?
timid fable
@wary quarry most likely random, and expires after a set time. it's not deterministic
golden zealot
anyone in here know what i have to do to get filtration's theme editor working?
there are references to instructions in the wiki but ive read it and im not sure im understanding it
if i open up the editor all the buttons are just blanked out
wind garden
i don't think they expire, i've bookmarked seraches for some time and never had them stop working
timid fable
they either expire or fail for some other reason (maybe changing leagues?)
but I've seen plenty of old searches that no longer work
mortal bone
I am pretty sure the end of the url is just a hash of the form inputs
vast haven
That would make sense as a couple that I bookmarked for standard searches VERY long ago still work.
The "expiry" problem would likely just be that the one they're trying to access is an antiquated league and isn't supported in the search anymore, so it pops out the error.
mortal bone
yes
uneven meteor
anyonee here whos vamilar with PoB know how to add linked skills to abberrath's hooves?
cosmic saffron
set the support gems to be in boots
wary quarry
the search above was pointing to a breach sc search
dense thorn
@uneven meteor when you create a new Skillgroup, you can set the gear you want it to be socketed in.
chrome topaz
what would the desired behavior be? redirect them to standard?
chrome topaz
well, this should work now
wary quarry
they work now! thanks mate =)))
anyway, how do you calculate the url?
what kind of algorithm is this ?
@chrome topaz
timid fable
i have some that still don't work. if i'm not wrong they were from essence sc:
http://poe.trade/search/hohitariterebu
http://poe.trade/search/akikakikasiteb
velvet fog
something like query hash algorithm
wind garden
because essence league doesn't exist anymore
I would expect saved searches to stop working once leagues are merged
vast haven
@timid fable ^^ searches don't work after the league is gone from .trade
timid fable
i know. read the context
vast haven
Shit, sorry. Yeah that's a good update from xyz. They didn't work for me either though now that I learned to read.
chrome topaz
@wary quarry the algorithm is random string generator, same as in various URL shorteners
well the idea's same, but algorithm is a markov chain trained on japanese text
gilded herald
That's cool. Whats the reasoning for japanese?
wary quarry
lol ok ๐
chrome topaz
the url is easy to read/remember
vast haven
... for who?
chrome topaz
humans
vast haven
Uh oh....
I have noticed that they always look somewhat pronounceable though so I guess that works.
tribal cairn
trying to figure out the math on calculating the biggest hit i can take with X life and Y armor
resists should not come into play on a physical hit, right?
only armor
ancient meadow
armor (and block and evade I guess)
tribal cairn
im ignoring block and evade for the moment, so that should make it easier
ancient meadow
then yeah, only armor
tribal cairn
if they fail you take the whole wallup , and i want to know the biggest wallup
torpid mesa
this isnt the right channel for that discussion
tribal cairn
oh, it's for my genetic char evolver
public float getLargestPhysicalHit()
{
return getLifeAndShield() / (1 - Math.min(subject.getPhysicalResist(), MAX_RESIST) / 100);
}
got that so far
i guess i made a mistake since physical resist doesnt exist apparently
obtuse citrus
it sort of does
it's called physical damage reduction, doesn't downscale with difficulty and is capped at 90%
tribal cairn
that'll be much easier to tackle
torpid mesa
oic
there is the math on how much armor gives on the wiki
psure echarges, basalt and a few sources of physical damage reduction all stack with armors reduction
wary quarry
@tribal cairn what kind of algorithm you are using?
i think a* or dijkstra would be awesome for this ๐ to find the best path to a given node
timid fable
looks pretty cool
isn't really a pathfinding problem is it? seems more like comparing all available next nodes and trying to choose the strongest path "outwards"
wondering why it took the wand phys node or scion jewel but not the witch jewel though
timid fable
i'm not familiar, which part of A* applies outside of pathfinding?
what I meant earlier by it's not a pathfinding problem
he's not choosing good nodes and then finding a path to them
he's going what's the strongest tree I can have with 1 node, 2 nodes, 3 nodes etc
wary quarry
ah ok - did not read that ๐
timid fable
at least that's what it looks like
tall merlin
Emmit's poeskilltree crashes when trying to use the advanced tree generator
woeful sphinx
@tall merlin happens if you open the generator window, close it without running it and then run the generator directly via its menu entry. Running it in any other way should work. Was already reported and will be fixed in the next release.
torpid mesa
@timid fable a* can be used to search nodes based on weight so it can help find a node path with strong nodes but I'm not sure it's really the optimal Algo here
Especially with so many nodes having a terrible weight before good ones
wind garden
@chrome topaz any chance you could add "#% chance to gain an additional Vaal Soul on Kill" to the explicit mod search list?