1┃general

[normal hedge]

i think i rather it to poof than goin +1 ngl

[tranquil sedge]

next one +2 trust

[cobalt blade]

savior ambi seems so bad looking at this lmao

[tranquil sedge]

how's the clear on this build

[rocky glade]

Oh yeah the Mirage clones aren't here

[cobalt blade]

and also the main thing btw that makes ambi good is stacking a specific node a shit ton https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Quick_and_Deadly

u rly want large clusters with this

instead of just that mega

[opal ingot]

wil this fuck up ci builds if its negatively misted

[cobalt blade]

yes

[opal ingot]

damn it

[rocky glade]

I hit 6 bitches and everyone near it dies, clear sucks but ironically it's so good in Ritual

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[cobalt blade]

will kill you

[normal hedge]

yes but they dont know that

[opal ingot]

honey time for 300 spite essences

[rocky glade]

Ritual is a giant circle

[opal ingot]

oh got it in 5

haha

[rocky glade]

I hit everything in the circle

[tranquil sedge]

some of ur gear is reallly good

and then some of it im just wondering wtf ur doing

[opal ingot]

which one will give me good luck

[rocky glade]

Some of them are cheap shit and I don't even bother with min maxing

[cobalt blade]

crab

[opal ingot]

ok

[tranquil sedge]

fair enough

[pulsar ice]

crab the goat

[cobalt blade]

spider i think is highest resale value tho

[rocky glade]

I throw 50 div into this build and I already satisfied

[cobalt blade]

but crab is funny

[rocky glade]

20 div is for the Multistrike

10 div is for the Greater Ancestral Call

[normal hedge]

cat

[tranquil sedge]

honestly

[normal hedge]

always cat

[tranquil sedge]

good upgrade

i spent 8d on 4/20 multi back when my entire flicker build had like 5d in gear lol

fun upgrade

[rocky glade]

Ironically this is the first League where I bothered with Woke Multi

[tranquil sedge]

its not woke anymore

[rocky glade]

It works the same as the woke one

[tranquil sedge]

which is good, its so much more accessible

[tranquil sedge]

its better than woke multi

[rocky glade]

but its cheaper

yeah

[tranquil umbra]

the way I built my mjolner character was very cursed

[tranquil sedge]

dude

the only thing i hate about the gem changes is how worthless normal maven is

[rocky glade]

ironically Greater Ancestral Call is the best thing

[tranquil sedge]

if they can add some value back there

[tranquil umbra]

I bought the mageblood first then everything else

[cobalt blade]

eclipse

[sleek barn]

oops i spent 2d on a 8 passive cluster with 35% inc effect

[cobalt blade]

now that people know its good

[rocky glade]

You get 50% STRIKE RANGE

[tranquil sedge]

normal maven doesn't drop it

[sleek barn]

cries

[opal ingot]

its time for the ritual

[tranquil sedge]

its uber-only

[surreal mulch]

soultaker is so peak

[cobalt blade]

oh i see was still thrown in with the additional drops section last i saw

funky good to know

[surreal mulch]

you get to save like 4-7 points solving mana

[tranquil sedge]

it was an issue on wiki yh

[tranquil umbra]

you will hit +2 frenzy and that's it

[tranquil sedge]

that got updated later

[cobalt blade]

yea

[opal ingot]

sooooo close to greatness

[cobalt blade]

makes sense

[tranquil sedge]

so close

[rocky glade]

Ngl I might remove Brutality and go with Behead Support for the lulz

[opal ingot]

lol it's a 1.525x multiplier

[rocky glade]

Already too much DPS anyways

[sleek barn]

who needs crit multi anyways

[opal ingot]

i better not get a fucking win on a 1.5x

i will vendor it

i swear

i will

[sleek barn]

does -# to min charges do anything?

[tranquil sedge]

hi my name is vvendor

[opal ingot]

nope

[sleek barn]

fire

[tranquil sedge]

irrelevant mod for anyone that generates charges

[cobalt blade]

monkey paw curls and its a 1.6x

[sleek barn]

hellow wendor

[tranquil sedge]

thats why its crafted on

[rocky glade]

If you wanna run Aul

[opal ingot]

then i will be on the fence

[rocky glade]

minus charges are kinda funny

[tranquil umbra]

I would craft min charges but if it stays positive it would deadass brick my build

[cobalt blade]

it offsets mincharges from smth like this

[opal ingot]

hi wendor

[cobalt blade]

otherwise nothing

[cobalt blade]

understandable

ive never had my 3 mod hits be higher than 1.8x

[surreal mulch]

you need it for flicker

[tranquil sedge]

do you even have enough currency left sage

to send more attempts

[sleek barn]

i can donate exactly 0 mists

[split palm]

Someone give me 14

So I can get my ring xd

[tranquil umbra]

can I get one dollar

[split palm]

Need quad positive 😭

[split palm]

RMT!!!!!!!!!

Mods

[sleek barn]

in this economy?

one penny

[split palm]

Zimbabwian dollar

[sleek barn]

oh i see in that case i can provide

[pulsar ice]

be careful there was one guy banned for saying that word not long time ago

[split palm]

In the game lol

[opal ingot]

rip

[split palm]

Discord is not affiliated with GGG

[split palm]

For a non-crit that's good, no?

[pulsar ice]

idk those chineese noses are ubiquitous

[split maple]

Precise technique login

[opal ingot]

yeah but not for my money

[tranquil umbra]

does mist just ignore aspect mods?

[split maple]

Mist can turn them negative

[tranquil umbra]

it can?

[split maple]

But negative aspect is exactly the same as positive aspect

[pulsar ice]

it counts it as a mod it can invert, but it can't

[tranquil umbra]

lmao

ig that's one way to fill suffix

[tranquil sedge]

its more like it does nothing being inverted, so its good to have as 'dead' mods

[sleek barn]

you just make the aspect a little pessimistic

get it

ok goodbye

[tranquil umbra]

I wouldn't be able to use it as a mana stacker but

[opal ingot]

1.675 for 350 divs

[normal hedge]

worth it

[tranquil sedge]

buy it

[split maple]

That's a brick tho

[pulsar ice]

worth for sure

[normal hedge]

right meow

[opal ingot]

ur mom is abrick

[tranquil umbra]

1.sixseven

[tranquil sedge]

reduced rarity?

[split maple]

-Iir sage

[normal hedge]

dont talk about esm's moma

[split maple]

That's unplayable

[pulsar ice]

mine 3 positive rings on the market are starting at 1000 div with any multiplier

[opal ingot]

in my standard world im not gonna bother with farming anyway

just powertrip

[sleek barn]

who needs gold

[tranquil sedge]

1.7 is acceptable league multi

[opal ingot]

true..

[tranquil sedge]

but in standard if ur rocking anything less than 2.0 are you a gamer

[split palm]

I need gold.........

When I come home

[opal ingot]

true..

[pulsar ice]

me, that's why I have this garbaga equipped

[tranquil umbra]

man this delirium shit goes crazy

[sleek barn]

what in the fuck is that ring

[tranquil sedge]

actually

nvm

i was gonna ask if that seemed good for rotas but u dont kill in rotas, only the carry does

[pulsar ice]

it drops from the bandit boss you fight when your mappers are captured

[sleek barn]

oh i see

[opal ingot]

man i need 2 helicals

[sleek barn]

i thought it was referencing the bandits in the acts

i have no idea who Sasan is lore wise

[tranquil umbra]

2???

[opal ingot]

yeah ill just buy

[sleek barn]

but the gamba

[tranquil umbra]

-crit multi would've have gone crazy when I had elemental overload

but I get like 1343 crit chance from righteous providence

[opal ingot]

there comes a day when a man must end his gamba

to provide for his hungry child

(my standard baby)

[tranquil umbra]

waiting paid off because these idiots crashed from 90d to 52d

[sleek barn]

guys if you're using unholy abberation for BV minion pact does it stay in your desecrate pool after

[pulsar ice]

I hate that there are only two nnn prefix mods on rings, why don't they make more ring bases with unqiue mods damn

[tranquil umbra]

they should

[sleek barn]

gotcha will relay that

[surreal mulch]

bot gaming

[opal ingot]

because

[surreal mulch]

it has come full circle

[nocturne maple]

unholy abberations don't stay in pool for me

[surreal mulch]

shitty quant uniques

they even added a bunch of foulborn ones with gold on them

[sleek barn]

you have to go get em every time?

after a map or whatever

[nocturne maple]

no

spectres respawn after portals

[sleek barn]

oh yeah

[nocturne maple]

you'd only go get them if you bv in ho

[sleek barn]

can you help that one guy in #1┃endgame-help i have no idea ab BV minion pact stuff

[tranquil umbra]

oh this is a nightmare for me

[surreal mulch]

why would anyone help a pact player

[tranquil umbra]

I love clicking my skills in hideout

[sleek barn]

also true

sometimes i just spam em when i see a dude in my hideout

[opal ingot]

minion related = ban

[tranquil umbra]

to form a pact

[north garden]

bruh. why isnt it the boots

😱

[charred condor]

I would do that but since I’m running ballistas it doesn’t really work

[sleek barn]

sometimes ballistas can be funny if you have a large max count

i don't think KF ballistas has that many

[normal hedge]

can have like 8

[sleek barn]

yah when you're doing like iron commander its funny

[surreal mulch]

can glad balista

[normal hedge]

sure but then you'll have

4 ascendancy points

[surreal mulch]

that's a common issue

i have

so it's like fine

what I do know about summoning/proxy builds is they're an easy way of damage multiplying if you do them right

[charred condor]

Yea I’m running 5

[tranquil umbra]

eh

[sleek barn]

all four into uh some bloodline ascendancy

[tranquil umbra]

taunt works on totems

and they copy your attack speed so

[normal hedge]

does glad has taunt?

[tranquil umbra]

oh glad

[normal hedge]

[tranquil umbra]

I read that as champ

[wheat sinew]

unhelical

[tranquil umbra]

champ ballista is known to work anyway

the zizaran build

[sleek barn]

mfw EA ballistas is still a thing

actually i haven't heard anyone use it in a while

[normal hedge]

i love it

[surreal mulch]

are there any proxies that scale with your personal action speed?

[normal hedge]

pretty comfy starter

(elementalist, champ is dogwater)

[tranquil umbra]

totems

[surreal mulch]

doesnt it only work for the placing animation

[sleek barn]

i forgot is it hit based or what

[tranquil umbra]

ignite

you scale ignite

[sleek barn]

isn't it like a bunch of hits

[twin arch]

heres a weird question

[normal hedge]

your dmg comes from the big explosion

[twin arch]

so everyone knows kboc is insane clear

[normal hedge]

after stacking the arrows

[sleek barn]

o i see

[twin arch]

We all know what insane clear looks like

It looks like screen vomit

Its gross

[surreal mulch]

controlled blaze support exist unfortunately i think ignite might just be bad

[twin arch]

What builds on kboc tier clear exist

That dont make your screen give you a seizure

[normal hedge]

LA

[surreal mulch]

awora

[twin arch]

LA is bad too

[tranquil umbra]

bow skills

[twin arch]

Atleast to me

[sleek barn]

shattershard

trust

[normal hedge]

?

[tranquil umbra]

ah hell nah

[normal hedge]

You can barely see LA lol

[sleek barn]

sorry im a shattershard supporter

[surreal mulch]

actually I wonder if you consider "our arrows will shadow the sun" to be screen vomit

[twin arch]

ya but theres

A lot of them on screen

And theyre not uniform in the direction they fly out

[sleek barn]

much less

[twin arch]

yea much less

For sure

[tranquil umbra]

0 x 6 is still 0

[normal hedge]

its nowhere close to KB

[twin arch]

but its still irritating to look at

[normal hedge]

prolly like 1% of it

lol

[twin arch]

Its nowhere close to kboc

yea

but its still

[sleek barn]

you probably want explode then

[twin arch]

Its ugly looking

[tranquil umbra]

what about ele hit of the spectrum

[surreal mulch]

probably elementalist penis brand

[sleek barn]

need explode chest

go boom

only then is clear good

[twin arch]

Whats awora

again

Animate weapon of

[halcyon flicker]

animate weapon of ranged arms

[sleek barn]

ranged arms

[surreal mulch]

animated weapon of ranged arms

[twin arch]

Ranged arms

[tranquil umbra]

chains of command

[twin arch]

can i get a video link

[surreal mulch]

it's like 20 bows around you

[sleek barn]

i actually never seen its clear

[surreal mulch]

I can record mine

[twin arch]

Do it

Go run uhh

[normal hedge]

its not really fast and its bad for high delirium

[twin arch]

Idk

[tranquil umbra]

I've only seen poison awora

[twin arch]

A fiveway

Or a max deli map

[normal hedge]

its really bad for 100% delirium lol

[surreal mulch]

fastest would be ritual

I already have astrolabe

[sleek barn]

infernal legion holy strike has been pretty fast for me

but like

[twin arch]

Gulp

[sleek barn]

i have low standards

[tranquil umbra]

unfortunately kboc clears the game in terms of clear

[surreal mulch]

whats the upload limit on this server

[twin arch]

so is the only way to get

[tranquil umbra]

like objectively

[twin arch]

100 deli level comfy clear

With ugly screen

[halcyon flicker]

high investment version of the build has 20 additional normal animate weapons on it as well through hungry loop

[surreal mulch]

why do you even need 100 deli

[tranquil umbra]

dawg it's 100 deli the screen will be ugly no matter what

[twin arch]

I dont

[sleek barn]

you can get KB mtx for less screen vomit

[twin arch]

Its the gold standard

Tho

[twin arch]

O?

interesting

Noted

[sleek barn]

i forget which one

[twin arch]

Isnt kboc always and forever going to be like

[sleek barn]

one of them noticeably increases your fps

[tranquil umbra]

p2w

[twin arch]

Mirror build

Though

every league

[halcyon flicker]

imbueing also works with hungry loop btw 😛

[twin arch]

Until it dies

[sleek barn]

not really

[tranquil umbra]

you can leaguestart kboc bro

[halcyon flicker]

its kinda nuts

[sleek barn]

it just scales very high

[twin arch]

noway

[sleek barn]

you can go hiero kboc pretty early

yeah

[normal hedge]

people leaguestart it yeah

[twin arch]

Hiero kboc

I dont see heiro kboc in uhh

5waus

When i buy exp

[sleek barn]

thats bc kb is better

for clear

[twin arch]

wdym

[tranquil umbra]

hiero also makes it easy to scale because you just go manaman

[halcyon flicker]

i dont even know what im looking at in 5ways and press P so I dont dc lol

[normal hedge]

i personally cba about indigon gameplay so i would recommend deadeye kb

[tranquil umbra]

deadeye kb also is leaguestartable right

[normal hedge]

ya

[twin arch]

wtf is indigon

[sleek barn]

helmet

[tranquil umbra]

best helmet ever made

[normal hedge]

a helm that you'll prolly hate

[sleek barn]

% increase for mana spent recently

yeah i don't like it

[twin arch]

oh

manaman helmet

xd

[sleek barn]

it requires you to manage your skill use

[tranquil umbra]

makes your mana bar experience a seizure

[tranquil umbra]

or you go mjolner and hold cyclone

[sleek barn]

it also doesn't work with EB

which makes me sad

[tranquil sedge]

mfa is the main thing tbh

[charred condor]

Do any of u actually buy skill mtx

[tranquil sedge]

thats the one that has unlimited increasing costs

[umbral olive]

my AG keeps dying. what unique can i put on him ? im lvl 39

[tranquil sedge]

at least indigon caps out

[sleek barn]

one day i gotta try MFA build

[tranquil sedge]

so you can get to a balance if u manage ur mana

[sleek barn]

its like peak screen vomit

[normal hedge]

i buy at least one mtx for the skill i'm currently playing if i already dont have one, but this league they released new skins for KF and KB

[tranquil umbra]

MFA manaman kboc

[normal hedge]

so i got both of them

[tranquil umbra]

omega screen vomit

[tranquil sedge]

the best version of mfa doesn't work atm :/

[sleek barn]

why not

[tranquil sedge]

after the battlemage cry nerf

[twin arch]

im just thinking

[charred condor]

I don’t think I ever will

[tranquil sedge]

and no whisperer in league

[twin arch]

ive only ever played pconc into vsotm into agos

[tranquil sedge]

no spell damage to atk conversion AND using indigon

[twin arch]

ive never really

experienced clear

only st

[charred condor]

Maybe armor and or weapon and or portal

[normal hedge]

khailby all you want is clearspeed?

[charred condor]

But yeah not skill

[twin arch]

idk

im probably not gonna make it

atleast not for a while

but yea clear builds right

things that do big clear

[tranquil umbra]

if you want like clear speed only and don't care about dying a few times

[cobalt blade]

ive bought void spark celestial kb and lightbringer rf

[twin arch]

oh

[tranquil umbra]

it's time to start flickering

[twin arch]

im not big on the 6 portal defense

ecks dee

[nocturne maple]

dw, we'll get crown of eyes reliquarian and be reborn

[tranquil umbra]

only body armour uniques sorry

[tranquil sedge]

lol ye if that happens instapick

[cobalt blade]

oh and the blue incinerate but thats cheap compared to every other mtx lol

[nocturne maple]

fuck

[normal hedge]

i bought the harbinger rolling magma

but

[tranquil umbra]

jk idk

[normal hedge]

its unplayable

[cobalt blade]

isnt that the one that lags the shit outta the game

lmao

[normal hedge]

both of them do that xD

[tranquil sedge]

no, it's not

[sleek barn]

GGG make like a flashbang MTX

[cobalt blade]

true

[tranquil sedge]

reliquarian is not locked to body lol

[sleek barn]

that we can use in town

[real sun]

Hey guys
Is there good elementalist build for mapping ?

[tranquil umbra]

they might swap around what nodes give what

[twin arch]

wait ive never read reliquarian before

this is kinda gas

Tear of Purity

[cobalt blade]

herald stacker or autobombers in general

[twin arch]

Terminus Est

[tranquil umbra]

like jewellery first kek

[sleek barn]

tear of purity is the last thing i would consider as gas

[twin arch]

?

ur hating

its free res

[sleek barn]

im a hater

not free res

[nocturne maple]

crown of eyes is most likely never going into rotation, mfa is just mega stupid as a build concept

[twin arch]

people take Alira Bandit into like

100% deli builds

[tranquil sedge]

reliquarian has mods from plenty of unique slots, its not limited in what it can get

[twin arch]

and ur shitting on tear of purity

[tranquil sedge]

so ye there's hope

[tranquil umbra]

100% reservation efficiency =/ no reservation

[tranquil sedge]

u know alira bandit is 1 passive point right

[twin arch]

yea

[real sun]

Im looking at pie vault and couldn't find it, is there good build guides for it?

[tranquil sedge]

and not one ascendency point?

[twin arch]

ya\

[full kraken]

Wait...

Okay so my woke orbing very often is producing very good 2P2S outcomes with all T1

I want 3P2S, triple T1 phys pref

Now, Im hitting a mix of AB and BC and AC for prefixes, hitting all 3 tho is gonna be rare but...

Is it better for me to just do it twice, and settle for
[Prefixes+Suffixes]
AB+XY
And
BC+XY

Which Ive already hit like 10 times.

And then recombinator together?

Its double influenced but its the XY suffixes that are Inf and gaurenteed outcomes.

I can bench third suffix on, so odds of success on prefixes are like uhhh...

80%? Easily?

And 30% chance I hit the prefixes

So... 1/4 chance the recombinator produces an all 5 affix done output? Thats really good odds, I can just do enchanting after, which will cost a fortune but fuck it we can figure it out

Thats actually pretty easy right? Am I missing something?

[twin arch]

GET DOWN

[sleek barn]

holy balls

Pixxel

[twin arch]

MEDIC

[tranquil sedge]

MISTER PRESIDENT

[cobalt blade]

uh i dont know of good guides for it but your best bet would be yt

[tranquil umbra]

the 2nd pla-

[full kraken]

Sorry... math jump scare

[twin arch]

hmmm

i wonder what reliquarian picks are gas then

[opaque sphinx]

too many necessary jewel sockets

[full kraken]

@cobalt blade thoughts?

[twin arch]

im not seeing anything obvious

[opaque sphinx]

not enough

[cobalt blade]

assuming you dnt understand how to take apart builds from poe ninja*

[hidden plinth]

Maata's

[twin arch]

Minions' Base Attack Critical Strike Chance is equal to the Critical
Strike Chance of your Main Hand Weapon

?

[full kraken]

Like this seems... actually super viable

[twin arch]

ytho

[hidden plinth]

Tryp

[tranquil umbra]

maata's with that one mace that has 100% crit chance

[opaque sphinx]

need more jewel but no passives

[twin arch]

100% minion crit

ok

that doesnt sound that good

[hidden plinth]

100% perma crit chance is fucking nuts

[twin arch]

uber feared rota

is literally just praying you make enough to stabilize

until you drop charlie

[tranquil umbra]

why do you need 9 min endu

what the fuck

[cobalt blade]

if im reading it correctly your planning on doing 2 2p2s recombs

[opaque sphinx]

1 is min frenzy and 1 is ele dmg

[tranquil umbra]

what is that build anyway

[cobalt blade]

should be worse odds than a 1/4

[normal hedge]

are you going to leaguestart rn, right?

they're not cheap

[opaque sphinx]

very incredibly early start to HoT

https://pobb.in/P3HMBMPjRGyr

[tranquil umbra]

why are you using 3 larges instead of 2 voices

[opaque sphinx]

where im at so far

[opaque sphinx]

more pops

[tranquil sedge]

notables

[nocturne maple]

-384 life holy

[tranquil umbra]

oh it's this one

[cobalt blade]

-384 life

[twin arch]

-384

wtf

[opaque sphinx]

minor issue

[opaque sphinx]

[tranquil sedge]

just mist the character

ez

[opaque sphinx]

just need a little res eff to get the life res to 99%

that'll be worked out later

[twin arch]

damn thats pretty good for 100% deli

wtf

[opaque sphinx]

like i said im not super far into the plan

[cobalt blade]

you can get reserve corrupted lone messenger/maybe mediums depending on crafting cost to temple them

[surreal mulch]

no its 20 deli

[normal hedge]

thats not 100% deli

[surreal mulch]

why the fuck would i do 100 deli

[twin arch]

ew

for money

100% deli big money

[tranquil umbra]

lmao

no

[twin arch]

yes!!

[normal hedge]

you need insane dps for 100% deli

[tranquil umbra]

not worth the pain and misery

that is 96% dr

[surreal mulch]

you can scale this thing to 100 if you want

[cobalt blade]

its like 2% loot per deli not worth it if your not still 1 shotting lol

[surreal mulch]

i dont even have amanamus gaze

[opaque sphinx]

learned this existed too

kinda neat

[cobalt blade]

96 for magic/normals 90 for rare 80 for unique

[normal hedge]

nah saying praw is good for 100% deli is bait

[cobalt blade]

roughly

[surreal mulch]

wtf is praw

[opaque sphinx]

found a elegant with 3 of these within imp escape mom range

[cobalt blade]

63400 my beloved

[tranquil umbra]

yo time to snipe

[opaque sphinx]

nah 90480

[real sun]

Yeah i will go league starter
Sorry btw i keep asking about the sane things
I always struggle at the biggening about which build to go for

[cobalt blade]

ah boring

[surreal mulch]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/DaedricRat-5852/mirage/character/BEHOLDTHESKULL anyways heres the character

[cobalt blade]

63400's crit multi reservation and 3 energyshield per powers

lol

[tranquil sedge]

I always struggle at the biggening about which build to go for
that's most of us

[opaque sphinx]

i bought one for 60d but there's a couple others around 80-100

[tranquil sedge]

playing the game is easy after you know what build ur doing

picking the build is the hard part

[opaque sphinx]

yeh i saw but its mana res

[cobalt blade]

yerr

[sleek barn]

next league i will finally make conversion trap work

[cobalt blade]

is what i use

[sleek barn]

just kidding conversion trap is absolute balls

[real sun]

Yesssss there is like 100 build to choose from

[normal hedge]

so herald of thunder autobomber isnt really good, its so bad it would be better for you to play rf instead lol, the good ones are pretty expensive so you cant league start it

[cobalt blade]

tho optimized out of the mana reserve

[sleek barn]

GGG please buff conversion trap

[dense rock]

This is why you pick 1-3 builds you like playing which also are easy to get rolling and you just league start 1 of those EVERY TIME

[sleek barn]

make them have 100% increased action speed and 1000% increased damage

[opaque sphinx]

this one is 80 crit
50 fire res
3x es per pcharge
dmg per pcharge
and 12 spell block

[cobalt blade]

also has this up there

[tranquil sedge]

corporate needs you to find the differences

[cobalt blade]

nb

[opaque sphinx]

yeh i thought about that but spectrums

[tranquil sedge]

fair but now which one of those 3 do u play

[cobalt blade]

so true

[dense rock]

dis alone is enough to sustain flickah? right?

[cobalt blade]

no

[tranquil sedge]

not even close

[cobalt blade]

maybe with 6 of them

and multi strike

[opaque sphinx]

its kinda close

[tranquil sedge]

no it sn ot

it doesnt matter if you don't ru out of charges, thats only have the picture

[opaque sphinx]

all u really need is like 40% and multistrike to have like 90% uptime

[real sun]

Where do you think is rf limites? And what are the best expensive ones if i want to switch later?

[tranquil sedge]

you need to be at full charges

to have dps

[cobalt blade]

^

[dense rock]

SRS or flicker 😄

[opaque sphinx]

yeh i get that

[cobalt blade]

because ice bite flat

and more per frenzy and atk speed

[opaque sphinx]

40% + multistrike is like 90% to sustain charges tho

[tranquil sedge]

thats why everyone and their mother runs replica farrul

hmm

[tranquil sedge]

this is honestly worth investigating

[opaque sphinx]

i did it on my flicker trickster

[tranquil sedge]

because not having to run replica farrul

would open some interesting build ideas

[dense rock]

replica farrul is such a easy way to solve the problem FOR CHEAP

[cobalt blade]

eeh maybe if you have frenzy on kill too for mapping

[tranquil sedge]

blood rage

[cobalt blade]

i feel like thats inconsistent imo

oh true

i always forget about bloodrage

[surreal mulch]

you dont need it

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/1J6P_0k9aFpP

[surreal mulch]

greater multistrike is 4 attacks

[woeful yacht]

Naca I am going to open my game and test my blight progression idea

[surreal mulch]

you get full charge sustain

[woeful yacht]

Call me a larp if I don't

[cobalt blade]

holy vaal ancestral warchief

[cobalt blade]

have fun

[tranquil sedge]

you need a LOT of chance to gain frenzy on hit if you dont use replica farrul

10% won't cut it

not nearly enough

[surreal mulch]

its actually 25 in sum

[cobalt blade]

its 10% across the whole multistrike

[tranquil sedge]

multistrike doesn't matter

^

[cobalt blade]

if you roll it once the other 2 cant give you it

[dense rock]

not for single target. But for general map blasting, more than enough

[cobalt blade]

it increases your average sustain though

[tranquil sedge]

single target is present in maps too lol

[surreal mulch]

25

[opaque sphinx]

i used 2 of the 10% on hit

[tranquil sedge]

tanky rares and bosses

[surreal mulch]

its not 10

[tranquil sedge]

we're talking about the extra nodes

[surreal mulch]

who

[dense rock]

if you are not playing quinn variant of flicker, the boss will die before you burn thru your 9+ frenzy charges :;D

[tranquil sedge]

everyone? isnt that the conversation context

[opaque sphinx]

i used 2 of the 10% on hit, elevated glove mod
and multistrike+icebite and that was it
100% of my sustain and never ran out or lost charges

[cobalt blade]

daedric

[tranquil sedge]

multistrike is not relevant

[surreal mulch]

why the fuck is it 10

[opaque sphinx]

yes it is

[tranquil sedge]

my understanding is same as what naca said, no?

[cobalt blade]

because we were talking about this

[twin arch]

game sucks

[cobalt blade]

but again even with the flicker innate 25%

thats 25% across 4 attacks if you roll that 25% on first attack you get 1 frenzy the other 3 dont roll at all

so your not sustaining charges

[normal hedge]

theres a few different ways to play rf, for example pohx's rf -> cws, or into lifestacker or scion str stacker. Both stackers can reach dot cap with enough investment tho, cws is good for specific farms, not a good allrounder

[surreal mulch]

poachers mark

[tranquil sedge]

with the elevated warlord glove mod running this might be alright ye

i do wanna try this

[cobalt blade]

for the more atk speed per frenzy more damage per frenzy ice bite etc

[opaque sphinx]

multistrike hits 3x per expenditure
u cant gain multiple per usage, but it does help to get that 1 back
say you have 40% chance to gain a charge
the first hit doesn't get u a charge so the second hit has a chance, then the third etc

[cobalt blade]

and now youve lost assassins mark for crit

[lilac parcel]

can corupting a ring a unique ring reroll it max perfect rerrol ?

[full kraken]

You know what Id love... if ggg added ux to imprints that they show you the item they have imprinted on hovering them.

GGG plz

[surreal mulch]

fuck crit

[opaque sphinx]

it turns that 40% into like 90%

with 50% its like 96%

[tranquil sedge]

every flicker build uses crit lol

[cobalt blade]

also the other problem with poachers its only uniques/rares for mark on hit lol

so you dont sustain on trash

[tranquil sedge]

well tbh those are the ones that matter

[dense rock]

now add extra strike targets (fucking worm flask if nothing else around)

[tranquil sedge]

again, blood rage on trash sustains

[cobalt blade]

yer

[opaque sphinx]

yer had +2 strikes on gloves too

[woeful yacht]

Naca do u know if certain ports give different base types?

[cobalt blade]

blood rage true but it still wont sustain on st anyway

[opaque sphinx]

but i mean for single target

[cobalt blade]

yes

[tranquil sedge]

blood rage wont do shit for singletarget ye

[cobalt blade]

they are int str dex tagged go check the wiki idk which is which

[full kraken]

You get charge on kill from support gems and blood rage so usually not a problem no?

[cobalt blade]

yer i keep forgetting about on kill

[dense rock]

worm flask and melee splash from extra strike targets

VOILA ITS SINGLE TARGET DMG 😄

[woeful yacht]

Oh I see

[real sun]

Yeah i think the safest option is to rf and see lear from pohx and choose one of his rf builds

[woeful yacht]

This is really cool lol

[tranquil sedge]

also

not using replica farruls means now u have to generate endurance charges too

since it also does that for u

[dense rock]

laughs in slayer

[tranquil sedge]

slayer also requires u to generate them

[opaque sphinx]

shit late for work talk about this later

but yeah

[tranquil sedge]

have fun

[opaque sphinx]

45% on hit and elevated gain mod

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats -1 jewel socket/2 points for enduring composure at minimum cost

[opaque sphinx]

100% sustain

[dense rock]

endu charge on melee stun imbue

[opaque sphinx]

[tranquil sedge]

fair

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/sDdO0uIB7Kt0

[cobalt blade]

or -1 chest implicit into charge dura mastery for 1-5 points

[tranquil sedge]

saved for thinking about later

[opaque sphinx]

i love how the numbers magically changed when i imported it

https://pobb.in/1J6P_0k9aFpP

is the real pob

its old but yeah

lot can still apply

fairly cheap too

[dense rock]

i accidentally upgraded my crit 😛

[cobalt blade]

thats pretty telling for your frenzy sustain

[sleek barn]

runegraft of the warp

trust

[opaque sphinx]

that mod kinda literally does nothing, i just used it to gain full frenzies at start of map

while smoking a bowl

[twin arch]

should i replace any of my flasks here with a unique flask

i heard wine of the prophet was good

[cobalt blade]

hmm ic

[twin arch]

im on agos

type shit

[cobalt blade]

replace them all with writhing jar equip accel massive

ez

[wanton haven]

does conditional accuracy count towards precise technique ?

[cobalt blade]

depends?

blind doesnt since its not really accuracy but this would

[wanton haven]

the mastery for 50% more accuracy at close range for example

kk. ty

[tranquil umbra]

shit

[twin arch]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-gif-4007877678756330230

[surreal mulch]

i wonder how exactly rituals in mirages work

[twin arch]

better loot pool

seperate from outside mirage

[surreal mulch]

i know

i mean favor

[rose quail]

And multiplier on points

[twin arch]

oh idk

[surreal mulch]

15k from 1 is a lot

[twin arch]

i could never do ritual

requires too much brainpower

like BetrayaL

[rose quail]

I just assume it's a multiplier

[nocturne maple]

it condenses normal amount into the amount in the mirage

[sleek barn]

it carries over your favor from outside mirage no?

[rose quail]

No

[sleek barn]

oh

[surreal mulch]

yeah its probably that

[sleek barn]

man i was lied to in the past then

[cobalt blade]

its meant to have the rough equivalent favour to doing 3-4 rituals depending on how many were in ur map

[rose quail]

Yeah, it's like a separate map basically

[twin arch]

oh hey

i remember this

[cobalt blade]

or atleast thats how they described it in the interview before league start (+prob a bit extra from afarud mobs)

[twin arch]

i played sparks with this i think

way back in Sentinel

[normal hedge]

uhm

what

[twin arch]

or was that just cuz of the mtx

the icon looks familiar

[nocturne maple]

spark voidforge

[cobalt blade]

Were you high

[twin arch]

no this is starforger

the expensive ver

[cobalt blade]

No thats voidforge

[cobalt blade]

id it

[nocturne maple]

starforge is shaper only

[twin arch]

oh

xd

[cobalt blade]

lol

[tranquil umbra]

bro

[surreal mulch]

poopjoy's asylum

[twin arch]

anyway

[nocturne maple]

voidforge is both infl

[twin arch]

free 10 div

!

free 10 div!!!!

:3

[sleek barn]

i'll take em

[twin arch]

ok

come buy

[sleek barn]

buy???

but free

[twin arch]

guhrhhhh

[sleek barn]

fake news

banned

[twin arch]

its funny to me that

eternity shroud is like

roughly the same droprate as voidforge

and yet

10c vs 10d

[cobalt blade]

it used to be rarer lol

[tranquil sedge]

wait until someone makes a build that uses it

then its price will go up

[blazing spear]

made this back in merc lmao

[twin arch]

legded

no new builds

[tranquil sedge]

i mean

[twin arch]

hmmmm

[tranquil sedge]

in any league

[twin arch]

im curious actually

do i just list it at 12

[cobalt blade]

hh bad running no belt is better

[sleek barn]

sell for 8d i will buy

[twin arch]

i wonder if the other copies will sell

naca

thoughts

[tranquil sedge]

if u dont wear belt

pants will fall down

thats why templar is pantsless

[dense rock]

HH > everything else

[twin arch]

i bought the Heritage mtx set

for just that reason

[cobalt blade]

i would id since its more fun to price based on roll

[twin arch]

its literally upgraded naked templar

[twin arch]

ur trolling right

[rose quail]

HH on DoT builds

[twin arch]

it could drop to like 1d

[tranquil sedge]

lol

[cobalt blade]

[twin arch]

naca

[sleek barn]

defense

trust

[cobalt blade]

no i just always id my drops

lol

[sleek barn]

also soul eater still good

[cobalt blade]

i play this game to gamble if i dont gamble on my drops wheres the fun

[twin arch]

my rolls were shit

:l

life max is 100

but who cares

its all about the attack speed

i minrolled atkspd

[cobalt blade]

[surreal mulch]

next league they're reworking nameless bloodline and now there's a node that breaks your legs removes your ability to walk and gives you a second belt slot

[nocturne maple]

the life is decent

[twin arch]

yea but now i have to div this to 8 atk speed

so i can list it

[nocturne maple]

since bloodthirst is used on voidforge builds

[twin arch]

ya but

90-100

i have to div it now

:l

[rose quail]

Imagine removes belt slot and gives 5 more flask slots

[twin arch]

there

[surreal mulch]

horrible

[twin arch]

it cost me like

[rose quail]

Stay hydrated

[twin arch]

idk

6 divs

but i hit double max roll

is that worth anything

[cobalt blade]

1c

[twin arch]

im serious

you made me roll for max

[surreal mulch]

why the fuck would you do that

[twin arch]

seems like maxroll goes for 17

[twin arch]

because i just profited 2 divs

off of diving it

to maxroll

[cobalt blade]

no i made you id it

[surreal mulch]

nah

[cobalt blade]

You just decided to divine

lol

[surreal mulch]

john unique diviner

[twin arch]

i mean

[surreal mulch]

it's only good if it's like a 100 div unique

[twin arch]

it goes for 18 div

over 10

now

[cobalt blade]

Naah theres a few 20-50d foulborns worth divining

like suppress ancestral vision

[twin arch]

anyway

i shouldnt have ID'd it

cause then i had to divine it

[cobalt blade]

Dunno what its currently worth

[twin arch]

cuz ID'd withj bad rolls

is worth shit

idk why i IDd it

[cobalt blade]

wdym you just sell it to someone else willing to divine

[twin arch]

i almost actively lost money

[twin arch]

i mean yeah but you do that Unid'd and make way more money

xd

[nocturne maple]

shouldn't have divined anyways, should've volatile vaaled it

[tranquil umbra]

^^^

[twin arch]

good point

lemme do that rq

[cobalt blade]

or you could id and hit big

[twin arch]

i wonder if theres any hits

[cobalt blade]

True actually

make sure to tempering first too

all in gamba

[twin arch]

nvm

i dont see any corrupted ones listed

so you probably cant

[nocturne maple]

you can

[twin arch]

nvm found ye olde sparke builde

went to std

this is what it was

[cobalt blade]

i think you forgot to turn off non corrupt

[twin arch]

o

well whats the odds of making a good hit that actually impacts the price

with corrupt

[cobalt blade]

50/50

[rose quail]

50/50

[cobalt blade]

[twin arch]

ya

very funny

how many corrupt mods are there

[rose quail]

0

[cobalt blade]

? its volatile

[rose quail]

That's the volatile

[cobalt blade]

Your gambling a 50% deletion into *.78-1.22

[twin arch]

If the item is not destroyed, it will then:

Randomise the numerical values of all explicit modifiers (like a

Divine Orb
).
Apply a random modifier magnitude multiplier of 0.78x to 1.22x (in 0.01 increments) to each modifier individually before rounding.[1]

ooh

i see

so it could roll 9% atk speed

[cobalt blade]

yer

[twin arch]

wait

but that doesnt impact the price

[cobalt blade]

And you tempering first

[twin arch]

cause

im looking at this one

it has 9% atk speed

[cobalt blade]

Khail it rolls undivinables

[twin arch]

its onlyt 15 div

[cobalt blade]

700*1.22

[nocturne maple]

the 700 goes up

[twin arch]

oh

[nocturne maple]

that's the biggest price indicator

[twin arch]

i see

so you only care about the 700

ok lets do that

[cobalt blade]

yes

[twin arch]

could be fun

how do i tempering

[cobalt blade]

and optimally you tempering

[stuck phoenix]

Should we point out

[cobalt blade]

by spending 2-3 d an orb

[stuck phoenix]

That there's no reason

To do this

[cobalt blade]

[twin arch]

i mean

1000d

[stuck phoenix]

To something already divined

[cobalt blade]

but its funny

[twin arch]

potential

[rose quail]

[twin arch]

ok what tempering do we want on this

[cobalt blade]

phys

[twin arch]

how many mods are there

[stuck phoenix]

Step one, sell this one, buy a cheap bad roll

[cobalt blade]

yes

Just yes

[twin arch]

this one isnt gonna sell

i listed it at 16d

[rose quail]

idk, like 30-50? Tempering had a lot

[twin arch]

nobody will buy that

[cobalt blade]

youd settle for 8% phys if you dont want to waste like half a mirror in orbs lol

[stuck phoenix]

You're saying your roll has 0 value whatsoever?

[twin arch]

ya

im saying that

maxroll vs minroll

[stuck phoenix]

Smh

[twin arch]

on voidforce

has 0 value indicator

check the trade site yourself

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Mirage/8rdD4PL8UV

i still blame naca for convincing me to ID it

its not even fun when you get a hit

like juicing div cards

theres no joy when you win

[tranquil umbra]

I think this was the luckiest I've ever been on a gamba

[cobalt blade]

skill issue or smth

[stuck phoenix]

Shrug, max rolled speed starts at 14. Otherwise it starts at 9

[twin arch]

i listed it at 16

for double max roll

[stuck phoenix]

Looks like at least 5d difference to me

[twin arch]

but itll probably never sell

:l

[stuck phoenix]

Even on just attack speed

Shrug

Someone might want it to do a locus corrupt on

[twin arch]

we'll see

[twin arch]

How much do you think people would sacrifice for something like auto bubblegum pickup

[crisp obsidian]

please never

[twin arch]

You think people would sacrifice like, all their jewelry slots?

All their ascendancy points?

[tranquil sedge]

obviously not

[twin arch]

How much do you think the average person would sacrifice for that

[tranquil sedge]

and thats a horrible idea

[twin arch]

Yeah duh

[crisp obsidian]

they would sacrifice a lot

easily

[twin arch]

But people on reddit bitch about it

All day

[tranquil sedge]

more than they should

[twin arch]

so it made me wonder

[crisp obsidian]

there are so many builds you can just play as an autobomber in t16

[twin arch]

How much would they give up

[crisp obsidian]

and just pickup all the bubblegum

it would be so dumb

[twin arch]

Would you give up

Every equippable item

[lilac parcel]

look at it

[twin arch]

and flasks

For it

No skills

[crisp obsidian]

no skills and no equippable items would be nono

[surreal mulch]

increased effect of berking

[crisp obsidian]

idk if it would even be possible anymore

to farm

[twin arch]

uh

[crisp obsidian]

maybe on like elementalist if you allow ascendancies

[twin arch]

One with Nothing

Lil gup

[sleek barn]

it can be a valdos mod

all bubblegum currency is picked up automatically

thats about it