1┃general

[finite quail]

Dot multi, or perfect agony

And if you dont, you're shooting yourself in the foot

[onyx adder]

Huh

What do u think i meant

[hexed egret]

God I don't want to cast frost bomb

[onyx adder]

Do u think im saying get rid of dot multi

Lul

[finite quail]

cwc frost bomb

[hexed egret]

I want my exposure on hit

[onyx adder]

Im saying get rid of the explicit multi on lacerate etc

[finite quail]

no you're saying skilsl like that shouldnt need the damage multi on the gems

[hexed egret]

How about you channel Deez nuts because I'm playing BV

[onyx adder]

Well not even that really

Im saying its ok to have a couple skills like that

[finite quail]

But the issue with that is

What do you do afterwards?

Just raise the DE on them massively?

Why bother with that

[steel light]

fucking hate intervention bullshit pops out when u open a hideout in map

[opaque sphinx]

man boxes while stoned is a dangerous game

[hexed egret]

Why is there no cast on block

[finite quail]

cast on block shields

[hexed egret]

I'm using aegis

[finite quail]

trolled

[onyx adder]

Yea, or make them really slow single hit skills if ur targeting them for bleed

[opaque sphinx]

i keep leaving like 50-100c of loot on the ground cuz i portal back to empty inv and being like "oh i guess map's done" and starting a new one

[finite quail]

oh nvm there isnt a cast on block unique shield

weirdge

but there's triggers

[onyx adder]

The reason is so that archetypes dont get pigeonholed

[onyx adder]

Ignite used to work like this

Where the only skills u were allowed to use with ignite were the ones with 200% more ignite damage written on the gem

It was dogshit

[hexed egret]

I don't want to use svalinn

It's fake defence

Recovery where

[onyx adder]

BV doesnt really need aegis recovery as much as other setups fwiw

[livid quarry]

does chance to wither stack?

[hexed egret]

Yeah but it feels so nice to have

[onyx adder]

Its very mobile build that doesnt spend a lot of time tanking shotguns to the face

[finite quail]

Well I don't see how else they could make them innately better for dot outside of raising the numbers on them or giving them more damage multis

[hexed egret]

I was in an eater map and projectiles flying kept refilling my es

[finite quail]

Why not give them all a damage multi so they all stay competitive? Ofcourse higher or lower based on what kinda skill it is and what it does

[onyx adder]

Well some skills are just undertuned in general, so the fix is to buff the numbers

[hexed egret]

Holy sweep is so ass

[finite quail]

But NO dot multi means you're forced to use a few skills that already have it instead of the ones that dont

Why remove the bigger damage increases instead of spreading it amongst all the skills

[hexed egret]

Like I don't even know why you would use it over holy hammers

[finite quail]

Why nerf instead of buff

[livid quarry]

why play melee for clear

[onyx adder]

Its not a nerf on its own

Or rather, only a nerf if looked at in total isolation

[hexed egret]

I ask the same thing sometimes

[finite quail]

how is removing damage from a skill not a nerf

[livid quarry]

if u melee go heavy strike of tart or msoz

if u want clear go ranged

[onyx adder]

Because it gives u room to buff bleed itself

[finite quail]

But I'm talking about dot skills in general

I'm not talking about just bleed

[onyx adder]

Its ok to have a couple of skills like that

With explicit effects

[finite quail]

yeah sure and then no one plays them

[onyx adder]

Lacerate of haemo, viper strike, etc

Mamba

[finite quail]

because the damage is dogshit

Oh you mean skills with higher damage mods

Well also no because then they become the go-tos and every other skill is shadowed behind them

[onyx adder]

GGG can balance those explicit multis easily enough

[hexed egret]

I actually wish lacerate wasn't a bleed skill sometimes

[onyx adder]

When theres only a few

[onyx adder]

I agree with this in general

Its why ignite has no skills with those multis anymore

[finite quail]

lacerate of butchering

[onyx adder]

That exact reason

[hexed egret]

Two handers only

[finite quail]

?

[onyx adder]

But i think if theres only a couple then ggg can balance them individually

[hexed egret]

I used to play lacerate long ago as a hit skill

[finite quail]

firestorm literally has a huge more damage multiplier on it

for ailments and hits

[onyx adder]

Its for everything

Thats just skill damage

[finite quail]

oh you mean like

the distinction between only for ignites and for all ailments

[onyx adder]

No

[finite quail]

[onyx adder]

The distinction between hit and ailment

[finite quail]

then wtf are you on

[onyx adder]

And ailment only

Firestorm doesnt have an ailment more multi

So its not relatively better for ignite than any other skill that does that much single hit damage

[finite quail]

also, this

[onyx adder]

Lacerate, mamba, regular viper strike, puncture, all of those have explicit multis

Im saying if theres very few of those ggg can balance individually

[crisp obsidian]

Imjungroan

[onyx adder]

Id prefer 0 but i can live with a few

But if u have like 10-15 of those or if every skill has those then its rly hard to balance

Ignite used to be like that, it was a mess

[finite quail]

very hard to balance?

[onyx adder]

Extremely

[finite quail]

its one stat you move up and down

its no different from damage effectiveness

which is how ggg already balances most skills

when they nerf or buff by 25% in patchnotes

[onyx adder]

U have 2 damage effectiveness instead of 1

[finite quail]

thats what they have been doing the past idk, few years

[finite quail]

so move both down

[onyx adder]

So twice as much opportunities to fuck it up

[finite quail]

the same amount

maybe not 25% both cause they stack

so 12.5%

done

that wasnt so hard, was it?

[onyx adder]

u just made that skill relatively worse for ignite

What u wanted to do was move down the DE 25%

And leave the ignite multi the same

So that its equally worse for both

[finite quail]

what?

no

[onyx adder]

Yes

[finite quail]

I meant nerf the entire skill

[onyx adder]

So did i

[finite quail]

bro we're not connecting on any points whatsoever

[onyx adder]

If u want to nerf the skill by 25% u nerf the DE and lock the ignite multi the same

[finite quail]

this is turning into pure confusion

[onyx adder]

Because then the hit and ignite both go down by 25%

[finite quail]

Oh, I see what you mean now

Mb

[onyx adder]

Goes to show that it becomes a bit counterintuitive and hard to balance 🙂

Anyway if ggg showed the ability to deal with those issues

[reef dune]

is there any way to log back into your hideout, and not the town?

[onyx adder]

Id agree with u

Id suggest theyve showed the opposite

So i dont want skill design that i think theyll fuck up, thats all

[tranquil sedge]

i dont think so unfortunately

[onyx adder]

We can only dream

[reef dune]

🙁

[cobalt blade]

Will say although scrolling up this convo seemed mostly about the attacks with ailment specific dmg increases this wouldnt work for spells inna good few cases

which is an actual good case for ailment and hit specific multipliers on the gem existing/nerfing specifically one of those

[visual stream]

u can try using act 5 after fail kitava as spawn iircc

[cobalt blade]

act 7's usually empty in my experience

[onyx adder]

Its pretty much the same for spells no

[cobalt blade]

Base dmg on a spell isnt affected by its dmg effectiveness

[onyx adder]

While that is true, 99% of spells have the exact same ratio of base damage to damage effectiveness

[cobalt blade]

so theyd need to nerf both base damage and that damage effectiveness

Ay

[onyx adder]

There are a few that dont, like dark pact and FR, that usually have some flat on the skill

But most other skills have around 550 average base damage per 100% DE at level 20

With very little variation

So they just move up and down in lockstep

[cobalt blade]

But i think having extra multilliers on the game lets them finetune those nerfs alot more for spells if specifically ignite is over performing by yknow 50% but hit based is kinda ass

[onyx adder]

Yea thats the argument in favour

[cobalt blade]

over nerfing base damage and making both ass

[onyx adder]

And a bunch of spells specifically do have that extra multi

Which i dont love but i understand why it exists

[cobalt blade]

Yeh

[lucid kiln]

i found out today what a 'landmine' scam is

that shit is actually heinous

[cobalt blade]

beast and map buying are the most rampant ones

fucking 70d landmine yellow beasts

[visual stream]

before i buy anything large ammount i always type divine in search first

[onyx adder]

Yellow beasts are 70c?

Wtf is going on with u trade nerds

[tranquil sedge]

"landmine"

[cobalt blade]

Nah they toss up 1 c 2 c etc yellow beasts so you get into the habit of pressing enter and then just jave that random one at 70d

[onyx adder]

I said 70c

[tranquil sedge]

oh

reading debuff was active in chat

apologies

[lucid kiln]

that is a good idea actually

[cobalt blade]

or the more aggregious one putting the beast in the middle right at the ok button on confirming

[onyx adder]

Oh so really zero reading comprehension full automate landmines lul

Okok

[cobalt blade]

and then you spam or scroll clicking and instant buying it

[visual stream]

an easy solutions cost only few second

but hey ppl do what ppl do

[tranquil sedge]

yea i do "chaos" for bulk map buys

so i dont misclick any

[onyx adder]

Can u hide ur divs in another currency tab

Out of curiosity

[cobalt blade]

Ye i personally havent got hit but i notice them constantly

yes it only indexes your first 4 tabs until you open a specific one in that instance

[finite quail]

wow

[cobalt blade]

p sure if you toss it in like your 20th tab down its safe

[finite quail]

way to make the gauntlet terrible with this single line of text

"ruin"

[visual stream]

melee = dead

[finite quail]

[lucid kiln]

ruin your life

[finite quail]

holy dogshit

[visual stream]

anything make u stand close to boss = dead

beside block

[finite quail]

20% pen in areas 1-45 ouch

[onyx adder]

If u eat 7 individual hits from most act bosses in gauntlet ur prolly dead anyway

[finite quail]

and double proj

bro everyone's gonna die to the molotov cannibals

[onyx adder]

I understand shit like merveul tornadoes doesnt count

[onyx adder]

I mean yea they die anyway, but if u mean to ruin its act bosses only

And pinnacles or whatever gives points

[cobalt blade]

looking forward to the weaver deaths if they give ruin to her pita to avoid proj with multi proj

[finite quail]

no its not just act osses

its also endgame point related bosses

which I'm guessing its all pinnacles

or quest pinnacles

[onyx adder]

ie not cannibals lul

Yes

[cobalt blade]

And yes pinnacles /ubers have ruin too and annihilation or eater tentacles are gonna fuck you

[finite quail]

[cobalt blade]

[opaque sphinx]

thats a cool card

not seen it before

[visual stream]

its safe to said ben gonna win agains

[finite quail]

I really hope trialmaster doesnt show up and immediately goes ULTIMATUM! right before I eat shit from a shaper beam

[visual stream]

[cobalt blade]

low key think it doesnt get cleared

[slate compass]

I wont even landmine thats evil

[cobalt blade]

ruin is that fucked

[finite quail]

ruin is horrible

[slate compass]

na he makes tank builds y ou cant take ruin

[finite quail]

now your builds dotn just need to be giga tanky, but also giga dps

[cobalt blade]

Stuff like meteor is obviously gonna inflict it and those have just been getting tanked lately

[slate compass]

his ubers were like 20 mins

[cobalt blade]

You can with block but not everything's blockable

[finite quail]

cause if you dont kill fast enough and take too many strays you DIE no matter how tanky you are

holy shit

[opaque sphinx]

assassin gauntlet login

[cobalt blade]

Yeeep

[onyx adder]

Is minion pact banned

[finite quail]

more like ASS logout

[finite quail]

yes

[opaque sphinx]

elusive avoid ruin?

[finite quail]

and so is transfusion

[cobalt blade]

Yep and transfusion

[onyx adder]

ic

[visual stream]

the gauntlet is the pinacle of dont get hit

[steel light]

added this patch, was listed in first patchnote

[finite quail]

yeah since its avoid hits

iirc

[onyx adder]

Just dont suck

[cobalt blade]

elusive spell dodge evasion anything that causes you not to be "damaged" by it

[opaque sphinx]

there u go

[finite quail]

evasion builds will be meta in the gauntlet lmfao

[onyx adder]

Whats the issue

[opaque sphinx]

assassin meta literally

[finite quail]

I might go an evasion based cold damage character

for maximum survivability

fuck it,

[cobalt blade]

Nah

[onyx adder]

One exception is that GB block doesnt let ruin through

[cobalt blade]

Glad mega lmao

[cobalt blade]

it might if the ruin does damage?

[onyx adder]

It doesnt in ultimatum on live

[cobalt blade]

Ghost is slightly different to mobs inflicting ruin

[onyx adder]

I guess ggg could change it but like

[cobalt blade]

i personally wouldnt bank on gb block

[onyx adder]

That would be giga troll

[normal hedge]

not rn, i farmed ultimatum with gb this league

[lucid kiln]

this event seems really hard

[normal hedge]

and i dont think they're "fixing" it

[lucid kiln]

i wonder what theyll cook

[visual stream]

hmm gauntlet still hardcore right ?

[cobalt blade]

ik it works on ulti just wouldn't trust it in gauntlet ruin

[finite quail]

dex int bases for evasion and blue life, CI, Acrobatics and idk what else

[lucid kiln]

yes Hcssf

[visual stream]

ugh

[steel light]

gb block doesn't get ruin in 3.27 keepers

[normal hedge]

do you think they wouldnt just copy the code and apply instead of redoing it

lol

[finite quail]

though needing to get 150% suppress for 75% spell evade is FUCKED

[cobalt blade]

(I've used it for valdos before)

[onyx adder]

Yea 2 ppl told em already

They know

[cobalt blade]

i also just already knew

lol

[finite quail]

whats gb block

[steel light]

make it 3 now

glancing blow

[cobalt blade]

just wouldnt bank on it specifically for gauntlet ruin since there is a chance it's coded dif

[finite quail]

oh

[onyx adder]

Anyway whats the issue

Just click warden and manual dodge every mechanic forever

[finite quail]

oh you know what

Toxic rain/caustic arrow pathfinder with Icefang Orbit

[onyx adder]

Its ez trust

[finite quail]

[slate compass]

Isnt merviel just gonna end runs

[ebon cloak]

tried out a exp strat setup

[slate compass]

You cant not get hit by her

[vivid pumice]

At what point can you start doing giga juiced breach w' horned awakening?

[cobalt blade]

Fully think its glad meta

Lucky block too op

[ebon cloak]

6 portaled the first map, lost all the exp i had before

[finite quail]

she always ends runs

It will be wayworse now

due to the water tornado things

[visual stream]

when im rich

which is never

[finite quail]

melee is dead in the gauntlet

[visual stream]

[slate compass]

Did they keep the changes from last like the hydra fonts in brutus

I wonder

[vivid pumice]

how rich

[finite quail]

probably

[onyx adder]

I understood that water tornados and other barrage type multihits wont apply ruin

[slate compass]

first hit prob will

[visual stream]

rich enought to cover the run if u dont get anything

[finite quail]

Might have an internal cooldown

[onyx adder]

Good enough

[finite quail]

Noooooo the gauntlet starts after I start my new job

[pastel aspen]

can someone tell me which bosses could offer me the most currency like which boss drops the items everyone needs for there build

[vivid pumice]

oh damn

[cobalt blade]

It does

[vivid pumice]

i mean as in gear stats

[cobalt blade]

Its in zizarans rules sheet

[finite quail]

bosses dont really drop "the most currency"

[split palm]

damn, nothing sold, feels bad

[onyx adder]

icic

[cobalt blade]

which you can find on his site somewhere

[vivid pumice]

is nimis + headhunter enough or do i need extra tsuf

[finite quail]

there's specific bosses that drop specific currencies

like maven and orbs of conflict

[visual stream]

this is alr

[vivid pumice]

🐴 Velour boots

[split palm]

for what?

[finite quail]

or sirus and awakeners orbs

[visual stream]

just dont get hit

[pastel aspen]

i mean like flask or jewels

[cosmic raptor]

how's the leg

[vivid pumice]

horned awakening breach

[finite quail]

very vague question

[split palm]

ehhh

[finite quail]

if you wanna see boss drops, go to the wiki for them and look at their drops

[onyx adder]

This may be the legendary wind dancer acrobatics deadeye meta

[vivid pumice]

not enough ig

sadd

[onyx adder]

Shax is gonna nut

[split palm]

you can do it, but will not have the best of times

[vivid pumice]

gg

[cobalt blade]

acrobatics glad meta

[vivid pumice]

what more should i need?

[finite quail]

Thats basically what I was gonna pob

[visual stream]

mirr item

[finite quail]

[visual stream]

[finite quail]

Dont forget elusive too

[vivid pumice]

crying in 17 divs

[finite quail]

With the new runegraft

that makes it go up

[onyx adder]

Shax has like 20 of those pobs

Theyre all shit

[cobalt blade]

you arent getting runegrafts in gauntlet

[finite quail]

Good for him

[vivid pumice]

is budget breach just like

[finite quail]

I make my own

[cosmic raptor]

leg is alive?

[vivid pumice]

the haven of farm

[finite quail]

lost shipments

[onyx adder]

Dw it'll also be shit

Wind dancer does that

[finite quail]

We'll see

[split palm]

At least, you want a +2 phys bow, and a goof +1 quiver with LA nimis

[cobalt blade]

stand by wut i said :p

[split palm]

and sun flask

otherwise it'll feel bad

and detonate cluster

[vivid pumice]

remaining task is a +2 phys bow

🥀

any guide on crafting

[finite quail]

none

make it yourself

with your BARE HANDS

[onyx adder]

The problem with all hc deadeye builds is u have all these 6% per point dps nodes on ur tree

[vivid pumice]

me adding 2 arrows to bow string

[onyx adder]

That ur not allowed to take or u die to not clicking enough defenses

[split palm]

frac +2, spam essence till you hit high tier phys, lock prefix reroll crit

[finite quail]

the essence that gives +2 bow skills on bows

[opaque sphinx]

damn bruh

[onyx adder]

And u feel like u have a learning disability

Its the nut low

[split palm]

something like this

[onyx adder]

Its a low chance drop from an uber

[vivid pumice]

ah yes that

[onyx adder]

What u want lul

[opaque sphinx]

i get that

[cobalt blade]

fubgun posted his video

[opaque sphinx]

its just usually 30-40

[fossil mural]

It was 12 div until recently

But someone prob made a cyclone with it

[opaque sphinx]

ah

[fossil mural]

And it skyrocketed

[split palm]

have fun essence-ing

[vivid pumice]

i was told this is not worth crafting so now im sadding

[finite quail]

ek ignite elementalist with heraldstacking

[cobalt blade]

And spiked it from 90 d to 160 tho its starting to fall and he initially spiked it from 20-30d to 90 crafting on stream lol

[finite quail]

I think it was

only saw the thumbnail

[split palm]

I was lucky like that not needing to reforge crit

[fossil mural]

Really? Thats last league build

And its kinda shit now

[cobalt blade]

????

[finite quail]

[fossil mural]

But ig youtuber effect

[finite quail]

Only saw the thumbnail

[cobalt blade]

how is it shit

[fossil mural]

It was basically carried by resonance

[vivid pumice]

oh it just comes to you like that

pog

[cobalt blade]

Though your ignite is just for explodes btw

Your actual damage is mostly hit

[onyx adder]

Chat can take a lesson from gas prices; turns out that when a good or service has supply constraints, an x% increase in demand or x% reduction in supply does not in any way correspond to x% increase in price

[split palm]

my helmet was even more diabolical

[cobalt blade]

and yknow hh+ phys skill+ shrine buffs you do infinite dmg in maps

[vivid pumice]

this is fubgun's sample, but i was told unless im making a bow like this im better off just sitting with an ele bow

[cosmic raptor]

nice

[vivid pumice]

so im sadding

[split palm]

[fossil mural]

Yea but divine shrine seems weighted, so without resonance shrine you arent immortal anymore

[split palm]

all T1

[finite quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/552615024393322506/1477347987687739614/67-3x.gif

[fossil mural]

So its like

Just play cyclone

[cobalt blade]

you still get hh buffs

[vivid pumice]

bor

[cobalt blade]

which make deadeyes with 0 defence somewhat tanky

[fossil mural]

Xddxd

I mean I am not saying its unplayable

I am saying I dont see a reason for the price

But maybe it will drop again

[cobalt blade]

and ontop of that you also can just invest into defence lol

[fossil mural]

So question remains why even play it den

[cobalt blade]

The reason is literally just fubgun playing it

[fossil mural]

Oh

Lmao

[onyx adder]

Pob wont let u

[fossil mural]

Nvm

[cobalt blade]

because its fun

[onyx adder]

The nodes go orange man

ORANGE

[fossil mural]

Its literally any other hh build

[onyx adder]

U know how hard it is to not click orange nodes in pob

[fossil mural]

Random bullshit go

[cobalt blade]

echoing and accel are alot funner than just hh

casual 120 casts per sec

[fossil mural]

Also I bet cwc version is really bad now

And self cast sucks anyway

Cant hold button

Also lolchohol made feared video, and shit that drops from feared tanked

But fubgoon is so strong

[split palm]

As always lmao

[fossil mural]

He carried the sword prices

[cobalt blade]

Completely different scenarios

[vivid pumice]

so, buy +2 fractured, essence contempt until hybrid?

[split palm]

Fubgoon

[cobalt blade]

one showcasing an item you need to buy other showcasing how to farm items lol

[split palm]

Until you hit T1 flat or hybrid, or run out of currency

You luck pref reroll phys once you hit any of the T1s

[cobalt blade]

gotta ask do you have hh

[cobalt blade]

if you dont phys bow is basically always worse than ele

[split palm]

Read like 30 messages above

[vivid pumice]

yes, hh and nimis

[cobalt blade]

i am too lazy

[vivid pumice]

and dying sun

[cobalt blade]

ah

make sure your buying on spine bow then for the +2 frac

[vivid pumice]

yaya

lowkey crafting is one of the few fun things for mein this game

[onyx adder]

Who the hell is paying divines for 11p larges

[cosmic raptor]

me

[vivid pumice]

oh tripping

*the one with 8p is 2 divs

[cobalt blade]

11p notable larges

[vivid pumice]

but because fubgun's build has broadside its 3 div

while tempered arrowheads work just as fine

[cobalt blade]

the power of ppl too lazy to check what else works

[visual stream]

u see doing this requier know how to read

which not really popular with poe player

[cobalt blade]

u don't need to know how to read to check that

[fossil mural]

Numbers, mason

[cobalt blade]

middle node on trade just is the back node

[fossil mural]

What do they mean

[vivid pumice]

general chat build coaching can i settle with tier 2

or will i be boiled in hell for crafting a mediocre bow

[drowsy eagle]

ew no

[split palm]

those are very bad tbh

[vivid pumice]

aw shit

[split palm]

annul cold

[vivid pumice]

ill keep rolling

[split palm]

no, annul cold

[split palm]

you will regret it, possibly

[vivid pumice]

it seems i will be boiled in hell

[opaque sphinx]

no reason not to annul and yolo slam

[vivid pumice]

yea i lost the chance

keep going it is

[split palm]

I'd reforge phys tbh

[finite quail]

god this fucking sucks

I hate it

[drowsy eagle]

you can have a god tier phys bow with one single currency item

[grizzled lily]

is that ts

[cobalt blade]

take the top dex node pathing so you dont have a square D: at the ev es

[grizzled lily]

tr

i mean

[cobalt blade]

But also horror pathing in general

[finite quail]

caustic arrow of poison

[split palm]

nah, you can just ground loot it

[finite quail]

faustus gamba it*

cause we will be showering in gold with varashta

[grizzled lily]

wtf hyppie

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[split palm]

costs gold

[cobalt blade]

gwennen gamble it

[grizzled lily]

i need to pobb a gauntlet build

ruin will cook everyone

[cobalt blade]

click glad click lucky block

[finite quail]

continue reading

[grizzled lily]

i need glad smth smth spectral shieldthrow

maybw

[fossil mural]

Are you insane

Its totems lmao

[drowsy eagle]

bleed totem

[grizzled lily]

bro im not

that shit at the game

[fossil mural]

Block evasion spell dodge

[cobalt blade]

no shot its totems lol

[grizzled lily]

to go totems

[finite quail]

earthbreaker bleed totems

[fossil mural]

And totems

[finite quail]

for maximum pain arrive

[cobalt blade]

Totems fuck up boss targetting

[cloud shuttle]

bleed glad sst is a valid option

[finite quail]

decoy totem meta

[fossil mural]

So just dont stand infront of totems

[finite quail]

if you wanna die from ruin ignoring your block, sure

[cobalt blade]

That would be complete ass cheeks on bosses and will make u get hit from inconsistency

[fossil mural]

What are you, raindeer?

[split palm]

grouind loot is free, that is the cheapest option

[grizzled lily]

ye thats what i was going for, atleast campaign done for the box

[finite quail]

continue reading

[spice pecan]

oh i just realized rearguard doesn't work with glad's first block node

[cobalt blade]

You dont need to be in front of it for it to fuck up targetting

[fossil mural]

Nop

[spice pecan]

welp

kbolt totems it is then i guess

[fossil mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930980445389217852/1139592106172764270/cat.gif

[fossil mural]

Just click every single block node

[cobalt blade]

or find a widowhail

[fossil mural]

And str stack for damage

Pog

[cobalt blade]

id 200+% embrace attack block cap just from quiver

[spice pecan]

dont really want to try and find two uniques in gauntlet

[cobalt blade]

Embrace no dmg

[fossil mural]

Zdps will kill you even more

Than lack of block

[cobalt blade]

well yes but your using rearguard dying is a mercy

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[split palm]

doubling down on a dumb statement 😭

[fossil mural]

Maybe dw daggers

With supp mastery

40 base block

And then idk

Impale ambidex?

With elusive

Just stack avoidance

So chance to hit you is like

0.00001%

[split palm]

man, looting exalts is so disappointing

[opaque sphinx]

nightblade glad

[vivid pumice]

yeah im regretting it now

[fossil mural]

With more crit node

[split palm]

I spent 40d just on essences for a T3+T6

[opaque sphinx]

illegal

[vivid pumice]

What

oh

oh.

[split palm]

1 in 300 for T1 btw

[fierce fiber]

can someone enlighten me why im not inflicting withered debuff while having unholy might. im using venom gyre

[split palm]

gonna have to farm maps later

[vivid pumice]

bor...

[split palm]

wait

do I roll 16.5s or full mirage maps

[fossil mural]

Isnt there like a high phys unveil

Or something

[split palm]

to get mirages

[split palm]

not really high

[vivid pumice]

isnt it better to just buy the bow at this rate?

[split palm]

it's a T4 inc

which is only good if you slam T1% hybrid, but also is absolute fucking aids to unveil, since you have to lock pref and hope veiled goes pref

[opaque sphinx]

buy i86 bow with +1 arrow and ok phys mods and tainted divine it

[finite quail]

god this tree is a fucking mess

[split palm]

that is a DIABOLICAL option

[fossil mural]

Oh yea

Its a bit more

But still sad

[split palm]

not worth at all

[opaque sphinx]

its honestly not usually a bad option, longer league goes the more ppl double corrupt their mid tier bows

and u can sometimes snipe them

[fossil mural]

It wont appear in debuffs

Are you certain its not inflicted

[vivid pumice]

think

[split palm]

ok

lock pref reforge phys

[vivid pumice]

its ASS

(tier 3)

[split palm]

it's fine lmao

[opaque sphinx]

just slam t1 hybrid

[split palm]

1 in how much?

[opaque sphinx]

idk like 1400 dont think about it just do it

[split palm]

[vivid pumice]

horti phys right

this is torturing no?

[split palm]

1 in 3 I think

to hit hybrid

after that, have fun

[fierce fiber]

oh i see, then it migth actually work

[livid quarry]

if i can summon multiple same golems do their effects stack

[opaque sphinx]

would just buy either of these tho

[split palm]

well, it's 50/50 actually

I think?

[vivid pumice]

i love gambling

now out of divs

i will be farming breach to get more gamble money

[opaque sphinx]

even this is a steal

u just buy it and preflock veiled c

[visual stream]

breach fortress for mysteri gamba

[split palm]

why is - on - still -

[visual stream]

trust me

u gonna win big

[civic quarry]

who do you report bugs too?

[split palm]

wait, why is this so cheap lol

remove crafted

reforge crit

[opaque sphinx]

people are dumb

[vivid pumice]

oh damn

[slate compass]

Is t hat buy in stash or message

[opaque sphinx]

veiled c is high odds of crit or AS if u block dmg per charge

[vivid pumice]

fuck i shouldve bought prefix-ready bows

well

oh well

[opaque sphinx]

ppl are dumb bruh

[split palm]

I fracced my bow myself 😭

[opaque sphinx]

just slap a few tempering on this

[split palm]

the 6 ES is massive (also self frac)

[opaque sphinx]

yuge

[split palm]

spent like 30d on essences and lock reforge chaos

[vivid pumice]

wait im a bit confused

where did that hybrid come from

[split palm]

reforge phys lucky lmao

[opaque sphinx]

wym

[vivid pumice]

uhh

[split palm]

I'd settle for now tbh

lock pref reforge crit or craft crit

bow will still sell as +2 base later

[opaque sphinx]

veiled c not reforge crit

[drowsy eagle]

settle on tier 3

[split palm]

yeah, right

there is no veiled on that one

[vivid pumice]

im hella confused

am i not supposed to horti it

[split palm]

wish I didn't fucking roll T1 crit chance so I could unveil as

[split palm]

you either

a) lock pref unveil aspeed/crit
b) lock pref refore crit

[opaque sphinx]

foulborn ex it

[split palm]

I will just buy someone's "dead" base later and sell this as crafting food

[vivid pumice]

this gives me brain hemorr

[opaque sphinx]

valid

[vivid pumice]

did my tier 7 hybrid brick the bow

[frigid wedge]

nice bow

[opaque sphinx]

i mean u can yolo annul

[frigid wedge]

yolo exalt

ive hit what i wanted on way too many yolo exalts

[vivid pumice]

Failed annul

xdd

[frigid wedge]

some good examples: 3 different pairs of gloves; t1 mana on archmage spark gloves, t1 life on my gloves last league, slower proj on my gloves this league

[opaque sphinx]

good map to level on

[finite quail]

Good map to lose all your xp on

[opaque sphinx]

surely not

[finite quail]

surely

[tawdry olive]

Life gain on hit go brrrr

[opaque sphinx]

wait its almost 4:20 we gotta get ready first

thats why we got the dual claws

also insta leech ignores that mod because reasons

[split palm]

because

[frigid wedge]

hmm

i wonder if uh

if the nameless bloodline node plus witchmark runegraft will just immediately kill me

or if they just won't give a substantial enough amount of flat

[visual stream]

only one ways to find out

[split palm]

time to buy le bow

[visual stream]

[frigid wedge]

i mean, theoretically tainted pact should sustain it fine

but im mostly concerned they wont provide a useful amount of flat dmg

[split palm]

lol

[opaque sphinx]

LOL right as i put map in this came on my playlist

[spice pecan]

what's a mine/totem build that isn't dogshit to play on glad for wanting lucky block

[opaque sphinx]

https://youtu.be/WlgoUlOkyzU?si=BQhWxf8iE0KLtPno

[split palm]

goonboxes profit just from boxes themselves

no scarabs

[frigid wedge]

isn't there still 1 or 2 melee totems

[finite quail]

time to run: 50 hours

[split palm]

there is a bit extra here

[spice pecan]

no, only earthbreaker totem on dawnstrider boots

[split palm]

more like 2.5 hours for 20 maps

[dull bobcat]

Any fun builds that are available around 150-200d? :p been playing pconc but its pretty limited after a while, and it feels pretty squishy. Would like something that can blast juicy maps ^^ Would be nice to have something more tanky.

[frigid wedge]

thats a melee totem

[spice pecan]

really dont want to rely on a unique for gauntlet

[opaque sphinx]

no shot dude thats so fuckin funny on the timing

[finite quail]

on an unique from fucking searing exarch

[visual stream]

banner man from steel

[spice pecan]

oh yeah its from exarch lmoa

[finite quail]

Good luck getting that in gauntlet

By the time you get to exarch you're almost done

[cosmic raptor]

white mode man, really

[spice pecan]

im just tryna finish campaign tbh

[frigid wedge]

hmm

[spice pecan]

fuck hardcore beyond that

waste of time if you arent a content creator

[visual stream]

yeah the campaing gonna be so bruttal

7hit

[frigid wedge]

mythik u should play double trigger soulrend

:3

[spice pecan]

lmk when you find the mana to cast double soulrend of the spiral

:)

[opaque sphinx]

its usually minimized on 2nd monitor i cba

[frigid wedge]

cwc forbidden rite -> cwdt soulrend

[spice pecan]

that sounds very safe and good for gauntlet

[frigid wedge]

yep

[spice pecan]

golden rule and tainted pact seem very attainable

[frigid wedge]

definitely not tryna make it work as a tainted pacter

yep

i just need a build i wanna be playing atp

[spice pecan]

also you need like turbo long duration on poisons

and they have to actually deal damage

[frigid wedge]

i was kidding

i will be trying and failing to play it most likely tho

[split palm]

@opaque sphinx what modifier to lock for veil again?

[frigid wedge]

bc i am apparently just gonna ruin my league

[opaque sphinx]

block dmg per charge

[visual stream]

shield crush with block cap

trust me

[frigid wedge]

maybe i just make a duelist and go play facebreaker for a bit

[visual stream]

[split palm]

any charge, right, as they are in the same group iirc?

[cosmic raptor]

what if u wanna change the song and it's night

[frigid wedge]

any

[visual stream]

wait does izaro having the 7 hit also ?

[finite quail]

no

[split palm]

time to sell for profit

[finite quail]

not that it would matter

[frigid wedge]

hmmmm

[finite quail]

izaro hits you once and you're dead

in gauntlet

[frigid wedge]

so like

why cant i be normal

[visual stream]

fair

[split palm]

@vivid pumice if you want it for 27d, I'll sell it to you, otherwise gonna list it for 40d, or run it myself

[vivid pumice]

i dont have 1 divine rn

the aftermath of gambling

[visual stream]

just sells ur souls

[split palm]

1.2% increase lmao

[visual stream]

[cosmic raptor]

1.2 is insane

[split palm]

it's more insane because of the blood rage tbh

[frigid wedge]

pob doesnt apply le enchant tho

[split palm]

wait, right

[visual stream]

probarly mirror bow can give him 4% more damaged

[split palm]

no, it does

[tranquil sedge]

why is this blood rage important

can you not just use the gem instead

[frigid wedge]

mirror bow is p substantial mostly from the attack speed

[split palm]

attack speed

[frigid wedge]

saves a socket and u dont need to click every map

[split palm]

and no, I can't just use the gem, because I have no gem slots

[frigid wedge]

its just laziness

[gritty garnet]

you're missing quality on trigger version

[tranquil sedge]

can i see your pob please

[tranquil sedge]

also from just raw more phys on the weapon too

[vivid pumice]

oh blood rage is good on it?

not like +int or sorts?

[frigid wedge]

yeah but mirror bow effectively gets a second t2 attack speed or smth silly

[tranquil sedge]

going from no blood rage to some blood rage is always good

[vivid pumice]

idk which ones are good and which are not

[pine totem]

uhhh guys i can vaal volatile the forbidden shako right?

[tranquil sedge]

its big ye

[vivid pumice]

im using bloodrage myself so

[pine totem]

technically i can get level 40 ice bite

[vivid pumice]

idk how big of a difference

[frigid wedge]

p sure volatile vaal divines all mods first

[vivid pumice]

but im heavily dex gated and int gated so i gotta plan my stuff again

[split palm]

tbh mirror bow is a tiny bit better

[frigid wedge]

dont u want double dmg/explode implicit

[tranquil sedge]

1/0 is ofc worse than 20/20 but 5% is 5% i guess

[uncut island]

does anyone know email address for ggg support, i looked at the "contact support" on their webpage but nothing there for my issue.

[split palm]

clicked first mirror bow tbh

yeah explode would be nice

[vivid pumice]

oh fuck

[finite quail]

[e-mail]

[split palm]

explode is 31%

[vivid pumice]

i shouldve saved divines and buy the bows LOL

[frigid wedge]

iirc ideal mirror bow is like, explode, dd, attack speed or smth

[tranquil sedge]

we're like 3 weeks into the league brother
you have 3 months time left to do whatever u want

[split palm]

yea

go do goontainment

[hexed egret]

Is there any reason to add divine retribution on any caster builds

[split palm]

that shit is 20d/hour before all the bubblegum like valdos, raw div, etc.

[tranquil sedge]

im yet to try breach and containment

i wanna do both tbh

[hexed egret]

Like why would anyone use it

[vivid pumice]

im yet to try anything else other than breach and containment

[tranquil sedge]

l0l

[frigid wedge]

not worth, u gotta build around it

ive seen it effectively used a total of 1 time

[tranquil sedge]

im playing flicker and a friend pointed out it would be criminal to not do breach

[frigid wedge]

to 1 tap ubers

[hexed egret]

Yeah like why is the reason would anyone use it

[visual stream]

u playing flicker its already a criminal

[tranquil sedge]

its rly fun 😄

[frigid wedge]

because it looks cool as fuck

can we use flicker unarmed?

[slate fossil]

breach is neat everyone and their mother is already doing it though

p sure flicker requires a weapon

[hexed egret]

I can free up a 4L to use divine retribution

[finite quail]

flicker needs a weapon yes

[opaque sphinx]

idk its nota big issue to me lol

[split palm]

breach has one issue

[hexed egret]

Maybe it's fun

[finite quail]

any melee weapon

[visual stream]

i mean even when u dont get big drop the genesis tree still can give u something

[split palm]

goontainers eat into your profits VERY hard

[slate fossil]

doesn't facebreakers force your fist to count as weapon though?

[split palm]

risk, bloodlines

pricey

[hexed egret]

Wait divine retribution has a fucking 5s cooldown what?????

[tranquil sedge]

any guides for breach i can reference
ive literally never done it

[visual stream]

beside i already play breach + harvest before the rework

[hexed egret]

Why

[visual stream]

fubgun

the one and only

5dv maps

[slate fossil]

breach is just kill shit fast

[tranquil sedge]

uh
how about baby steps

[vivid pumice]

oh seven years bad luck

smile

[split palm]

I should run those ngl

[livid quarry]

do most builds care about ES recharge rate

[gray knoll]

is there a specific way to search for spesific map with valdo maps?

[slate fossil]

not most

[tranquil sedge]

either know the map name and specify map tier 17

or filter by map reward

[slate fossil]

map reward any

[gray knoll]

i'm not inrested with reward ❤️

[hexed egret]

I'm running breach and beyond to hit 95

[tranquil sedge]

if you mean map area, then i don't know

[split palm]

i love how KILLING YOURSELF is the most optimal way to do audiences

[gray knoll]

ii'm interested specific map like dunes valdo map

[visual stream]

dunes my belove

[frigid wedge]

it can overlap 16 times

[visual stream]

im gonna riot if they remove it next league

[gray knoll]

is there a way to search in trade website ?

[hexed egret]

Jungle valley Andy here

[tranquil sedge]

dunno :x

[gray knoll]

me neither

[split palm]

I've never did so many different maps in a league unironically ngl

[hexed egret]

Is it worth it on a 4L

[finite quail]

search map reward completion

[hexed egret]

I can't imagine it is

[finite quail]

in the filters

[frigid wedge]

how does ur build scale

[split palm]

that's how good the new atlas is

[opaque sphinx]

[hexed egret]

75/75 block and bv I guess

[split palm]

2 runs nothing showed up on filter, feels good

[vivid pumice]

is containment a more currency farm?

[split palm]

scarab

[frigid wedge]

so its minion pact glad?

[vivid pumice]

or is budget breach on par

i mean as in uh

[split palm]

and currency is byproduct

[finite quail]

[vivid pumice]

scarab to currency rate

[hexed egret]

No elementalist bv no pact

[split palm]

so, goontainment is uhhh

needs a large sample size to work

in 5 maps you may do a net loss

[frigid wedge]

ooh, yeah i wouldnt

[vivid pumice]

ya sometimes i drop 3 horned awakening in 1 containment

[frigid wedge]

just bring vbv

[split palm]

but in 20 you will profit up to 80d easily

[hexed egret]

Man then what is the point of divine retribution

[vivid pumice]

oh

im still not understanding breach then

because i feel like breach is not giving me a lot

did kill boss and take altars before running breach but still

[split palm]

breach is shitty bubblegum unless you do bloodlines

[hexed egret]

Breach gives me a lot of loot

[frigid wedge]

to make a spell retal skill

[vivid pumice]

awsh

[hexed egret]

Well the tree specifically

[vivid pumice]

i have to do bloodlines?

back to boxes i go

[frigid wedge]

and make me sad its not worth it

[vivid pumice]

oh the trees yeah

[split palm]

3 audiences, no drop pog

[vivid pumice]

W audience

[frigid wedge]

damn fr i gotta play a normal fucking build

[hexed egret]

Yeah but it's not good even for spell caster like me it's bad

[spice pecan]

schwingy did a build roulette with divine retribution i think

iirc it was on a jugg or a chief

[frigid wedge]

no no, i mean: so that the retaliation tag wasnt purely attached to melee

:P

[vivid pumice]

containment pov

[spice pecan]

get homie a scarab tab asap

[split palm]

oh god

[vivid pumice]

i have 3 stashes like this

smile

[split palm]

please get a scarab tab

no goontainers for you otherwise

[vivid pumice]

noo 🙁

[split palm]

you are NOT fitting all that even into a quad

[vivid pumice]

hey well uh

im managing them well

(?)

[split palm]

meanwhile me

crashed out bought like 20 merchant tabs

25

[frigid wedge]

me with 1 bc it cost me 10 points

[vivid pumice]

20

what are you selling wtf

[split palm]

I have over 60 normal tabs

[vivid pumice]

tf

[split palm]

and 15-ish quads I believe

[frigid wedge]

wtf are u putting in them

[split palm]

and every of the bubblegum tabs

[split palm]

early league shit

go map

[frigid wedge]

dude

[split palm]

throw everything into one tab

mostly poo2 tho

since there shit like bases matters

to a degree

[frigid wedge]

i bought a fuckin delve tab instead of ess tab bc i was always picking up random fossils and then literally like 2 leagues later they made fossils no longer a global fucking drop

[split palm]

I made like 3 mirrors selling aug annul'd bow bbases

[cosmic raptor]

only 3?

[split palm]

yeah, quit after

after making a very good bow

and vaaling it into 1exalt

wait no

I voided it

[vivid pumice]

LOL

[split palm]

with vaal+

[cosmic raptor]

so thats why u quit

[frigid wedge]

do i go pure cwc fr or fr cwdt soulrend

[cosmic raptor]

idk but add minion pact

[frigid wedge]

i want tainted pact pf

[split palm]

after giving away like 20 headhunters, yeah

[frigid wedge]

no

im using cast while channelling

u cant trigger pact

self cast makes it feel jank as fuck bc u gotta click fr

to keep up leech

[cosmic raptor]

add cast on ward break then

[frigid wedge]

if its cyclone cwc i dont gotta think

just debating whether to bring soulrend

[split palm]

I did have a lot of fun vaaling all my shit tbh

[cosmic raptor]

bad game ^