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[split maple]

was handy

[onyx adder]

omg 6 rooms no gold door every exit is top right

im in small stakes heaven

[split maple]

do you have anything imbued on kboc there?

pob doesnt show it for me

[icy zinc]

consider yourself lucky

[cosmic raptor]

yeah returning projectiles

[cobalt blade]

is the amulet qualitied or just a really shit roll

[cosmic raptor]

has quali

[cobalt blade]

ah ok

[icy zinc]

that one divination card for 19 lvl 19% quality giving expensive transfigured gems must be very good

since kboc is 1000c xd

[cosmic raptor]

its a pretty mid roll anyway

a good roll is like 200 divs + by now

[icy zinc]

waiter waiter 200 div+ simplex please

[sly minnow]

most profitable vorici transportation

[cobalt blade]

str int crit multi reflected helical should be a damage up (also suffix qual over att if you do this it hurts seeing att reflected ones on trade)^

[cosmic raptor]

hmm, yeah, actually should look for a better ring

paid like 20 div for this

[worldly bridge]

ok im not completely broke

whew

time for bed

[icy zinc]

bedge

[cobalt blade]

the humble ancient orb belt in the middle

[cobalt blade]

gnn :3

[worldly bridge]

Nodders

ive put a few divines worth of ancients into it

some dropped some purchased xdd

its back to alva prison with me tomorrow

[cosmic raptor]

i feel like people with headhunter clear breach faster than me with worse gear xd

[icy zinc]

@onyx adder ok theres some horror stories about ssogl not even reaching 12 stacks even when hitting a single target

[worldly bridge]

i gotta save up enough for foulborn squire

[icy zinc]

now thats i consider proper kek double u

[split maple]

surely can drop that mastery with watcher

[cobalt blade]

Move that small down there

[frigid wedge]

not me actively going and using beast craft every time i wanna start an ancient orbing session

[split maple]

yeah that aint surprising, hh is kinda good

[worldly bridge]

woah

[icy zinc]

"100% chance to recover 1% of mana on average"

[onyx adder]

that doesnt sound bueno

[cobalt blade]

your currently taking an 8% mana mode that lowers your split pathing instead of a10%

;p

[cobalt blade]

lolll

[split maple]

i rly didnt feel like thats needed on my kbocer

[frigid wedge]

i think i put all of ur current currency balance into refracting fog yesterday

[tough cove]

man clarity watcher just makes me miss replica conquerors even more

[split maple]

like just watcher + vaal clarity every so often was good enough

[worldly bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-viscous-deadlock-viscous-geen-gif-6291672116901167912

imagine this says she

i dont have a better gif

[frigid wedge]

xD

[tough cove]

ah deadlock

[frigid wedge]

im enjoying the thought that everyone else got the role bc they're actually helpful and that allocation of the role to me is the same type of helpful the award on reddit gets used for

[cosmic raptor]

ehhh, idk, arcane cloak sucks like 3k mana at once, kinda hurts

[onyx adder]

i miss normal conquerors too

that item was gas

[cosmic raptor]

true, ty

[tough cove]

a good idea for reliquarian is adding one wheel thats stuff thats been removed from the game

fits thematically with it too

[frigid wedge]

Indigon storage
Ascendancy notable passive skill

The spell damage bonus of using indigon is now uncapped and has triple duration

[cosmic raptor]

you think i need to change my tree to run hh? or do i put it on, fix my resistances, get new flasks and send it? xd

[split maple]

"You have lvl20 legacy battlemage cry" 4pointer

[cobalt blade]

fix res toss it on

Well ig youd also solve ailments with boots or smth

[frigid wedge]

tbf a reliquarian node for legacy ralakesh sounds p reasonable actually

[cobalt blade]

reliquarian node that makes all your clusters the legacy versions of nodes

[shrewd ember]

how do you get the vault for astrolabe?

[cobalt blade]

talk to eagon

after finishing the astrolabe

[frigid wedge]

and by legacy i mean the ones before settlers that required standing still

[shrewd ember]

ohh i never talk to him

[onyx adder]

reliquarian node for legacy zerphis

[shrewd ember]

ty

[onyx adder]

cmon ggg dont be cowards

[frigid wedge]

bring back discharge

[cobalt blade]

that weapon swap discharge build was funny

[tough cove]

legacy worm flask

people want to complain abou t servers now...

[icy zinc]

ok improved the gloves a bit

[frigid wedge]

what

[cosmic raptor]

get chance to avoid shock on boots to pair with stormshroud?

[icy zinc]

were bit stinky when it was just 40 life

[cobalt blade]

the one were you unequipped ralakesh boots wirh weapon swap so youd reequip them for max charges

which is why they changed to count as having max instead of you have max

[cobalt blade]

Yuh prolly

[icy zinc]

92% inc dmg 18% ias, some loif chaos res and 10% inc dmg from intim

[frigid wedge]

what was the point of weapon swapping

[cobalt blade]

you had your attributes setup to unequip boots

like str crafted on a shield

would let you spend the charges

[icy zinc]

what in the snasphot exploters

[frigid wedge]

ah

[cosmic raptor]

ty, will work on it today

[cobalt blade]

max charges>lose max charges your charges become spendable> you just weapon swap discharge weapon swap twice discharge again repeat

[frigid wedge]

couldnt u just, walk 2 steps tho, iirc u had to stand still for less than half a second

and discharge cooldown is annoyingly long anyways

speaking of very large things that burn my retinas deathbeam asked me to make a divine retribution pob ;/

[cobalt blade]

it had your minimum charges are equal to max and lose all charges when you move

if you moved you couldnt discharge

and you cant spend min

[icy zinc]

discharge with 12 all charges was cool cause it was a lot of damage

now you got blade vortex blood pact

doing x100 times of that

[frigid wedge]

ahhh

[icy zinc]

skull emoji

[frigid wedge]

meanwhile standard discharge with 93 charges

[cobalt blade]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Endless_Misery

this jewel was still a thing at the time

;p

[frigid wedge]

smh less damage

[cobalt blade]

true but very spammable

[frigid wedge]

i actually have one of those on std somewhere, it ignores trigger cooldowns which is cool af

[cobalt blade]

Yuuh

[frigid wedge]

shove it in weapon trigger mod and its still 250 ms instead of 8s

[cobalt blade]

its v neat

[frigid wedge]

i have an exam in 20 mins and i left house 15 mins late again

[cobalt blade]

gl w/ exam ima dissapear into sleep o/

[frigid wedge]

also like, apparently im meant to act like a role model now, but if that was expected behaviour how the fuck did i fit the criteria to be given green ness

[cobalt sun]

holy i didn't expect this from ritual wow...

[frigid wedge]

yoooooo

nice

u gonna use it

[lucid kiln]

HOLD UP you are green name now

[frigid wedge]

i am greener than the glorper

[lucid kiln]

real

[cobalt sun]

nah my friend is a flicker enjoyer im gonna gift him

[frigid wedge]

aint no way hes getting that for free right

xD

[cobalt sun]

we play group find so yes actually

[lucid kiln]

is that ring expensive?

[frigid wedge]

most leagues they're 100 to 300d

[lucid kiln]

wtf

[frigid wedge]

idk rn

[lucid kiln]

for just a frenzy charge?

[cobalt sun]

i think atm they are 220+ div

for ilvl 83

[steel light]

welp

[frigid wedge]

flicker needs it and circle rings kinda suck

[cosmic raptor]

global chat delivers

[dark sequoia]

uwu

[frigid wedge]

average name in global 512

[cloud pilot]

welp that's not a good sign

[cosmic raptor]

your gpu might be dead

[frigid wedge]

at least we get to read the altar

[dark sequoia]

Is there any reason to play normal forbidden rite

[frigid wedge]

yeah, any build thats primarily life

[steel light]

don't say that, i can't afford that

[dark sequoia]

fross has better damage though no?

[frigid wedge]

whats the vram at, mine kept giving visual tearing at 3.5gb usage

[crimson hearth]

i wish i discovered ultimatum sooner its so broken

[crimson hearth]

like 16d per inscribed and im afk

[cosmic raptor]

nahh, it's probably just the game

[cloud pilot]

almost no one plays regular FR, mostly becaus there are just better options

[astral shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-rage-funny-gif-23954479

[steel light]

for end game corruption altar is more in demand than doriyani gem coruption right?

[frigid wedge]

i wanted to play regular fr

[dim turtle]

Heyyy lemme hold those divines while you work on fixing yo shit 🥰

[steel light]

i only have 3

[dim turtle]

ah shit

[cloud pilot]

it's not a bad skill, but PFs are more likely to play like, mamba or impending doom or so

still totally can though

[manic ferry]

Good morniiiiii

[crimson hearth]

is there any way to force a good nebulis drop? like %dmg and dot implicit

[split maple]

vivid vultures trust

[crimson hearth]

?

[mystic gale]

Is cast when stunned chieftain fun build?

[manic ferry]

Hmmm

[split maple]

there is beast for rerolling synth implicits

[frigid wedge]

didnt u already make a new build, also depends if ur definition of fun means going for a nap

[split maple]

tho on nebulis not worth too common drop

[cobalt sun]

im playing like a bootleg version of cws chieftan

it's not bad

[crimson hearth]

oh great

[manic ferry]

[mystic gale]

Ye i made but the path of endurance isnt rly my playstyle

[signal marten]

kinda wanna go reap but without dot, is there any reference builds that dont go dot with reap? i cant seem to find any

[frigid wedge]

cws chief kinda awkward rn

[mystic gale]

I just dont have that much fun on it

[mystic gale]

Why

[crimson hearth]

ive done 4 uber cortex so far no drop

[cosmic raptor]

how do you reveal blueprints in heist? do you just run these ? or you have to put the blueprint in somewhere first

[frigid wedge]

i have seen about 5x more hit based reap builds than dot ones

[frigid wedge]

bloodnotch got halved and the chieftain explode dmg did too

[split maple]

just run these then talk to whakano

and try to run ones with deception

[crimson hearth]

deception contracts and use giana to get reveals

[mystic gale]

It still can afk ultimatum right?

[split maple]

so you get both basic reveal + gianna reveal

[cobalt sun]

if u get defiance of destiny it can still handle the same kind of content tbh

[cosmic raptor]

ty ty

[frigid wedge]

sure but u gotta put more in and change things a bit to achieve the same as before

[mystic gale]

K tysm

[frigid wedge]

cws glad should still b good

in terms of survivability

[cloud pilot]

still can't decide between ward shenanigans glad or minion pact shenanigans glad

[signal marten]

WTF

where???????

poe.ninja i dont see anything that isnt dot im looking at dotcap dmg min

[crimson hearth]

its really good for ultimatum wich makes me a fortune but not fun at all

[frigid wedge]

reap exsang mines comes to mind

[signal marten]

ah mines

weirdge

[mystic gale]

i mean i like afking

[frigid wedge]

its just a crit build that scales phys as extra

[cloud pilot]

ultimate cws gameplay: dualbox it with osrs, both don't require any real input, watch a movie at the same time

[crimson hearth]

so you will like rf and cws

[mystic gale]

ye i would probably do cws and then swap into life stack rf

i have money so it wont be an issue

[crimson hearth]

honestly if you have enough do both

[frigid wedge]

fulcrum will have better clear for generalised mapping

if u wanna run other content too

[lucid kiln]

how exactly are you making money with ultimatum

[frigid wedge]

[mystic gale]

both builds are on chieftain so i will level up on cws and then swap

[crimson hearth]

inscribed

16d per

[frigid wedge]

catalysts, divs, inscribed, dc uniques, cards

[lucid kiln]

woah

sounds nice

[crimson hearth]

i mean its ussualy the opposite but sure

[mystic gale]

i mean lvl up as rf -> cws -> life stacking rf

[steel light]

holy shit didn't know locus of corruption sells for so much, people actually buyout once i post it

[crimson hearth]

they still havent fixed the bug where bossing with rf gives crippling depresion

[crimson hearth]

ohh yeah nice then

[frigid wedge]

was gonna settle w attack dmg base till i realised ill lose an entire notable worth of % dmg not going for a 12%

[mystic gale]

last time i played ultimatum was on ultimatum league i think so im quite excited

[crimson hearth]

i havent done ultimatum at all before this league

[cloud pilot]

you may be listing too low, make sure you aren't selling at pricefix level

[mystic gale]

ultimatum is pretty cool

[frigid wedge]

me actively selling at pricefix level because im an impatient lil shit

[cloud pilot]

the same sorta happens with mirage maps, people often sell them at ~35c because they see other listings, but they still sell at like ~45c+ too

[crimson hearth]

its great but im investing all my profit into a bow char to do juiced breach

[frigid wedge]

yoo, im investing into a bow char to do... nothing of value

[mystic gale]

i leveled lightining arrow to 100 once and i wont play any bow build anymore

[crimson hearth]

i mean same kinda

if i open 3 breach portals i crash

so cant even do juice breach

[frigid wedge]

i gotta tank my cpu hard doing other content ideally

[steel light]

others at 380c

[crimson hearth]

i did that last league but its so fun

[icy zinc]

@finite quail i found some ui to go with your font

poe skill mechanic professions

[mystic gale]

if u like bow skills then sure

[cosmic raptor]

i guess i dont have this unlocked? lol

[crimson hearth]

atleast you have a cpu

[icy zinc]

we just dont know....

[stable pumice]

Nerd.

[icy zinc]

yeah deception is gianna

[frigid wedge]

my pc sounds like a plane taking off when i run a red altars map

[crimson hearth]

i like clearing half the map offscreen more

[cosmic raptor]

how do i get her 🙂‍↕️

[frigid wedge]

u gotta progress the other roles

[crimson hearth]

ok i havent got that low how

[icy zinc]

The order to unlock new Rogues is as follows:

Tibbs, the Giant -> Tullina, the Catburglar -> Nenet, the Scout.
Karst, the Lockpick -> Huck, the Soldier -> Niles, the Interrogator -> Vinderi, the Dismantler -> Gianna, the Master of Disguise.
Isla, the Engineer is the only starting rogue who will not unlock any new Rogue if you keep running contracts with her.

[hoary scarab]

ask nicely

[mystic gale]

i mean i also liked it but now i prefer builds with high defense

rather than clear

[cosmic raptor]

so i should run contracts with different people to unlock new people

[crimson hearth]

i have actually

never done a tanky build

[frigid wedge]

ive tried that and they always say no

[crimson hearth]

i could do armour stack mid league

[frigid wedge]

its a p good feeling when u can eat ushaper slam for no reason

[steel light]

follow hucu's post, u can go into a heist, new character shows and exit immediately to unlock even without doing the heist

[mystic gale]

exactly

[mystic gale]

best tanky builds ive played were ice nova hierophant and holy relic necro

[icy zinc]

what nightmare map was the sexiest again in terms of networth acquiring, aboms?

[frigid wedge]

but i prefer batshit insane builds that have no right existing

[frigid wedge]

last league was zigg

[crimson hearth]

hroc?

[mystic gale]

ye

[crimson hearth]

been wanting to do that one

[frigid wedge]

followed by abom

[icy zinc]

[crimson hearth]

but expensive

[icy zinc]

that also had 3 new shards

i see

[mystic gale]

its good but have scaling problems in late game

[frigid wedge]

tankiest char ive ever played was id pathfinder

[icy zinc]

ziggurat is kinda fine lowk

[crimson hearth]

yeah ik wich is why i havent done it yet

[mystic gale]

sounds good but ive never seen it

[frigid wedge]

zigg is fine if ur passive recovery is high

[icy zinc]

this league has mana flask sippy pathfinder shit that also regens hp

[cloud pilot]

I despise ziggurat, but I guess that's why its frag is expensive

[icy zinc]

its funny

[icy zinc]

real

need to get used to

[frigid wedge]

it bottoms out my dynamic resolution the second i start casting

[mystic gale]

i mean u can do ubers on it with high investment but it wont be as good as mana stackers or strenght stackers

[frigid wedge]

i had dynamic resolution off and i was at 17 fps while casting

its like 41 w it on

[icy zinc]

samir youre ruining the fps

[frigid wedge]

good news is u cant see the floor anyway so u cant tell

[crimson hearth]

if i have enough for a high invest id imediatly do attribute or armour stack

[mystic gale]

when i played blade vortex few leagues ago i tried to get as many explosion sources as i can in the build and it literally crashed my game when i went into mob pack

[crimson hearth]

mana stack is azz

[mystic gale]

i like it

[surreal mulch]

mana stack is great

[icy zinc]

armour stack in this age?

[frigid wedge]

my build last league deleted top layer of glacier

[mystic gale]

armour stack isnt that good rn

[surreal mulch]

mana stack is also attribute stack

[steel light]

Abo, fortress, zigg each have a boss frag over 135c, reality, decaying, devouring (150c)

[crimson hearth]

???

[frigid wedge]

ehhhh

[crimson hearth]

not mainly

[frigid wedge]

aight imma head out

[mystic gale]

i mean strenght is way better

[frigid wedge]

i got an exam

cya

[split maple]

I Miss lightres stack

[crimson hearth]

well yeah ofc but both are fun

[crimson hearth]

glgl

[mystic gale]

ofc

[surreal mulch]

would you spend 5 passive points to get 40% ehp?

[mystic gale]

depends

if u need it

[icy zinc]

abom map grew hands

[surreal mulch]

you always need ehp

you can spend survivability to get higher map juice

[karmic gust]

ehp means nothing, what are you actualyl gaining from those 5 points

[surreal mulch]

max block

[crimson hearth]

i mean some builds in standard are just stupidly strong and idk what they stack honestly

[surreal mulch]

money

[crimson hearth]

they stack ehp ig?

[split maple]

They stack the bugged fire res chest

In like two ways

[icy zinc]

me when comparing lvl 95 to lvl 100

[karmic gust]

max block is probs worth clicking

[icy zinc]

hardcore players almost never bother with block

[crimson hearth]

?

[icy zinc]

tempest shield, 1 wheel thats about it

1 wheel of block etc

[split maple]

yeah take that and then either chieftain (ff) for mana stack or armorstack

via fire res overcap is armor

[umbral crag]

@karmic gust why for pf bv you went purity of ice over lightning? Specifically?

[crimson hearth]

no wonder i see this sht https://pobb.in/L3sOYkK1NiZ-

oh just 12m ehp 2b dps nothing special

[surreal mulch]

how

[karmic gust]

cant get rest of the conversion with lightning

as i cant use divine flesh or anything

[crimson hearth]

glitch

[karmic gust]

with sublime ice you get taste of hate as well

[umbral crag]

Right true

But the conversion isnt a full 100% right? Unless im missing something again

[karmic gust]

its 100%

[umbral crag]

Must be blind

[karmic gust]

watchers sublime and flask effect on taste of hate

[umbral crag]

Watchers, sublime, taste and?

Oh the flask effect is enuf for taste of hate to be 100%

Okok, just painge that poi sublime is now 55div >.>

[fossil mural]

I got 37% for 45

Pog

[fossil mural]

You dont need that much effect

If you want a bloodline

Or switch the tree a little

You have wiggle room with eye

[cosmic raptor]

you are a scammer so

[steel light]

welcome to standard, where legacy items (pre-nerfs or bugged) are around

[crimson hearth]

yeah i know

i could buy one of those lwk

2 mirrors maybe?

[steel light]

it's 4

[cosmic raptor]

this is t he best player on standard

he is the final boss

[true falcon]

When it comes to reporting bugs, are you supposed to bump the thread until a GGG is like "k got it" or "u dumb"

[icy zinc]

typical operatives

dont even have boxes specced in

[drowsy eagle]

why is that one tiny

[icy zinc]

oh that scarab of stability is there just for carpal tunnel

[icy zinc]

i kinda despise hiding some tier 5 scarabs

tier 6 scarabs sure

[short prairie]

wdf is this

[icy zinc]

iron flesk

84 ilvl?

[short prairie]

ward build this league?

yes

[icy zinc]

ye if you been around its for the ward break builds

[lucid kiln]

yeah sure dont show us the name of the flask

[short prairie]

ohhh the new ward timeless

[lucid kiln]

[drowsy eagle]

I sold them for like 9d each the other day

[cosmic raptor]

flesk

[icy zinc]

flsk

[lucid kiln]

vial

[icy zinc]

83 ilvl is cheaper

[cloud shale]

filter changes would ruin your income

[icy zinc]

yeah surprisingly the market hasnt collapsed for those despite exposure

[dim turtle]

I love my filter making me pick up 1000 1c uniques but hiding 10c+ bases

[icy zinc]

expedition is a spit in the face half the time though

[short prairie]

my income is collection, my cost is time

[icy zinc]

no leech or no crit or immunity

[cloud shale]

wut

[short prairie]

SSF

[cloud shale]

oh it was price check, sry i missread though it is sale history

i just so ussed on those lists of "im doing billions mates" that i just saw list of "30 div" and thought its one of those

[short prairie]

[cloud shale]

[cosmic raptor]

[opaque sphinx]

oop

[drowsy eagle]

I can see you have no max ele res

[opaque sphinx]

why need it

[cloud shale]

hehe

[opaque sphinx]

30k life

90 block

[cloud shale]

is this for bob?

[opaque sphinx]

huh?

[warm drum]

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[cloud shale]

there is build going around for animate guardian of smiting, community named it bob

[opaque sphinx]

ah no

i dont minion

[cloud shale]

bob is not minion

bob is a frien

here

https://youtu.be/sJ-5B-a94Rs?t=506

[opaque sphinx]

im ok i dont play minion

thank you though

[cloud shale]

LOOK AT BOB

BRUV

[cosmic raptor]

most of these builds already cost multiple mirrors

[cloud shale]

no idea mate, i just saw video and liked the idea of bob

[flat apex]

hello guys i never played ane poe games and i wanna start ima f2p will i have a good time? i dont wanna spend a dollar

[final owl]

ok. one more labe then maybe i have enough juice for a re-roll

[cloud pilot]

eh, plenty in the list can be started with less

and it does say LATE GAME

[cloud shale]

you gonna have good first 40 hours
but if you want to play it for thousands of hours, 20$ one time is pretty much required

Prices are localised, so it might be cheaper for you

[flat apex]

can you explain a bit why and what for

[fallow escarp]

guys is this 6 link

[cloud pilot]

you already got a thumbsup response in another channel

yes, or just open pob and you can see

[cloud shale]

they sell stash space, so you can store more of your stuff and sell it to other players

[fallow escarp]

okay thank you so much

[flat apex]

i see

[cosmic raptor]

true, i like the ag smiting build

but i think it's expensive to even start

[strange coral]

i lost 24d on gambling forbidden flames

6 proj feared is really easy but it doesn't drop unid

[hybrid harness]

how much cheaper is getting one from the map instead of buying unid

[strange coral]

3-4d cheaper

[hybrid harness]

o thats good

[loud storm]

where is the fractured wall pls help

[viscid ruin]

why is tumult and double strike and wintry blast kinda pricy?

can't people just run 4th lab again and again?

hek speedblitz 3rd lab as well

[hybrid harness]

people are buying 20/20 to use coin on

[strange coral]

this node to the right

[viscid ruin]

mmmmmmmmm

[hybrid harness]

this is big money

if u truly wanna farm lab

[loud storm]

ty

[dark sequoia]

Shouldn't regular FR be really good with saresh bloodline and witchmark?

Your forbidden rite will cost you like half your life, but you will take a savage hit and immediately refund the life cost due to baryatic tension

[viscid ruin]

explin me pliz why that version of lab?

[viscid ruin]

you REALLY dont want forbidden rite to cost life

cause you already takin chaos inoc

[dark sequoia]

normal forbidden rite

[hybrid harness]

u get I believe 8 total options

so 8 chances of the guaranteed trans convert

and the times u dont get it u pick the qual option instead and make a lot of money that way too

[cosmic raptor]

why does the ilvl matter for this? its more expensive

[hybrid harness]

so buy a lot of 20/0 gems of whatever u wanna hit trans on

[strange coral]

im not sure if it would be considered "really good" when sustaining fr isn't a big issue and you are utilizing 2 ascendancy nodes for it

[cloud pilot]

extra options, see wiki

[viscid ruin]

still, you dont want it to cost you life

[cosmic raptor]

i see, thanks

[cloud pilot]

bruh you're not really understanding what he's saying

[opaque sphinx]

bruh can we have more way to get keystones pls

[viscid ruin]

regardless soul sacrifice version is way better

[viscid ruin]

:(

[opaque sphinx]

i forgot u cant use tincture with bloodmagic unless u also use bloodsoaked blade

[strange coral]

[viscid ruin]

understanding?

in my poe game?

:(

[dark sequoia]

How bad of an idea is it to make a champion spellcaster with adrenaline/fortitude/aura effect/bloodline for passives?

[opal ingot]

It's probably tied to the chance to be able to roll one of the hidden ascendancies when you unid it

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Forbidden_Flesh

[opaque sphinx]

noooooo so close

[viscid ruin]

dont forget vanguard unique belt

[dark sequoia]

vanguard is attack damage though right?

[viscid ruin]

still that onslaught

[cosmic raptor]

how do i make pob calc inspiration at 5 stacks?

[opaque sphinx]

it does auto but u can set in calc tab

config tab*

[cosmic raptor]

oh

[brave igloo]

Only Uber can have the hidden special ascendancies like nine lives

[cosmic raptor]

dope

[steel light]

only took 5 tries this league

[hardy heath]

W lost shipment

[icy zinc]

why did this strange alch and go map i did for test drop 3 divines

well, x1 x1 x1 that is

[icy zinc]

Win

[viscid ruin]

dam, that looks hots

[crimson hearth]

I want to switch to pc but everything so fkn expensive

[steel light]

u can give them to me and double my div count

[icy zinc]

[steel light]

u mean pc cpu etc?

[crimson hearth]

Yes

[icy zinc]

yeah you need to collect money for prebuilt

[steel light]

u're kinda like 2.5 years too late now

[crimson hearth]

Ew prebuilt

[karmic gust]

just farm breach irl ez

[crimson hearth]

The ram is same cost as gpu😔

[steel light]

download some ram

[crimson hearth]

But tbf im pushing really high specs

[steel light]

what's the point if u're switching to pc and can't handle juiced blight or breach? 💸

[viscid ruin]

download some rum * computer fizzles *

[crimson hearth]

Exactly

I should hypothetically run juiced blight 200fps

I mean

I could downgrade a bit ig

[crimson hearth]

Rx 9060 xt instead of 9070
24gb ram ddr5 instead of 32
R5x7500 instead of 7800x3d
1tb ssd instead of 2
And uh no windows key obviously

[steel light]

tbf i'm playing on a close to 9 years old pc, 1060 gtx, i lower down the graphic a lot, game starts to lag a bit if i use bismuth, i can't do juiced strat but it's playable, i can't install new parts cause my motheboard is too outdated

[viscid ruin]

the biggest bottlenecks of poe is ram, gpu and internet

[crimson hearth]

Yeah but thats just miserable man

[viscid ruin]

but then again all of that goes out of the window when you play juiced delirium maps

[split maple]

Isn't cpu more meaningful than gpu for poe

[viscid ruin]

not as far as i'm aware

[crimson hearth]

Some things could handle it

[solemn schooner]

Get a basic prebuilt 3060, they're usually decent and are a good starter. Swap the cpu and fans out for $100.

Alternatively intel arc gpu and intel cpu also run fine for a good price. Avoid 40 series and 50 series, and amd equivelants, as the connectors burn out atm.

[hybrid harness]

this guy has this specced with ostentation, surely that doesnt work

[cosmic raptor]

mix of both, slightly heavier on gpu

[viscid ruin]

i'm playing on a 2070, so you definitely can find something

[hybrid harness]

well it obv doesnt as removing it doesnt cause a dmg decrease

[viscid ruin]

although i play with lowest settings and this option helps me not burn suffer the gpu

[icy zinc]

probably changed builds and forgot

[crimson hearth]

I wouldnt upgrade much so i would try to start stronger

Also i prefer amd anyways

[viscid ruin]

🙄
💅

[crimson hearth]

Exactly like i dont want to have to do that

Il save a few more months try get ram now before it skyrockets again

[viscid ruin]

you probably dont want to play on max settings though

poe1 doesn't have the best graphics unless you get some skins

[crimson hearth]

Yeahh ik

[scarlet jacinth]

Taking into consideration the games age. They really aren't bad

[viscid ruin]

i actually like the visual it has

[solemn schooner]

A 3060 and standard amd 5000 cpu equivalent can run the game on max settings at 60fps. Anything above a 3060 or 3090 is overkill for the majority of games right now. Plus with an intel arc or 30 series you don't risk your computer and home burning down.

I've known 2 dudes that had their rooms set on fire because of the new connectors.

[opaque sphinx]

does ambush not work with crushing fist or smth

[tough cove]

with a 1h weapon it should

doesnt work unarmed or with a shield

[opaque sphinx]

thats what i thought

[limber ledge]

Ez harvest dupe cards sold cards for 15d over MB value, bought a 2flask for 150 and slapped 2d on it.

[vital meteor]

what does the game mean by escape the hive? am i gonna die if i stay?

[lean urchin]

ye

[vital meteor]

do i go back from where i came?

[limber ledge]

Die? Possibly. It does damage you every burst. Just nav through open pathways.

[viscid ruin]

laughs in life stacker

[limber ledge]

Idk their build so wanted to be vague on the death part 😂

[viscid ruin]

to be fair the damage pulse is kinda negligible

[vital meteor]

and my loot is where?

[viscid ruin]

what kills you is the enemy adds

[vital meteor]

when i come out?

[viscid ruin]

at the end

[limber ledge]

Yes when you leave

[viscid ruin]

loot splotion

[limber ledge]

Works like normal breach close

[rocky glade]

So the inc damage per chain Mastery apparently has no damage cap

[vital meteor]

no much loot, but hey it's my first and i didn't

die

[rocky glade]

Holy shit man my Pconc bounces 13 times

[limber ledge]

Gotta juice it up for big rewards from my understanding

[rocky glade]

Thats like 260% inc damage

[limber ledge]

Still can get some nice stuff so worth doing even unjuiced

[vital meteor]

can u teach me, cuz i only know juicing in poe2, like other than breach scarab what do i do?
i have this saved tbh (1x Cascade 1x Bloodlines 1x Wisp 2x Instability (can replace bloodlines for wisp if theyre too expensive)

[cosmic geode]

does SSF have its own atlas completion?

[lean urchin]

compared to your non-ssf chars yes

[limber ledge]

I'm kinda ignorant on that strat this league. There are plenty of vids on it though.

[viscid ruin]

just pick the breach nodes, use scarabs

[vital meteor]

that's all

?

[viscid ruin]

and die cause you tried to juice without building defensive layers

[cosmic raptor]

https://pobb.in/iIbBWNi5xRuT

this build looks nice

[limber ledge]

36m dps, wonder what the div investment is on it.

[cosmic raptor]

build price is 1400 div

[limber ledge]

Yikes

[viscid ruin]

brother whut

[limber ledge]

That seems not worth at all lkl

[cosmic raptor]

ye, wait

[limber ledge]

You on tft build sales?

[viscid ruin]

fun is more worth then any damage number :3

[cosmic raptor]

you have price breakdown in the notes if u scroll down

[short prairie]

is this for wardbreak build

[limber ledge]

Those fools tax so hard

[cosmic raptor]

yes im just looking at builds

[cosmic raptor]

yes

[opaque sphinx]

bro

ambush doesnt work with fist

what the shit

why

[limber ledge]

Cuz fuck you

[solar mist]

does anyone got a ethereal knives of massacre gem?

[earnest raven]

Si

[limber ledge]

It's a good space for ideas but the pricings on em are out of whack my a large margin. They tax so hard for the effort of building the character.

Few leagues back people were asking 200d+ for wadlooper build that literally cost 1/5th the asking price.

[opaque sphinx]

fuck me dude i just spent like 4 days pobbing this and farming to make this build

and is bugged

[umbral crag]

What build?

[limber ledge]

Rip

[opaque sphinx]

life stack crushing fist

[solar mist]

can i get it

[subtle forge]

how badly is it bugged?

[viscid ruin]

no 0w0

UwU

[opaque sphinx]

ambush does not work with crushing fist at all

[subtle forge]

retaliation skills can't be exerted

that's why

[cosmic raptor]

its a good place for ideas becasue people are posting showcases and that's what im loooking at

[subtle forge]

ambush is an exertion

[opaque sphinx]

what since when

[subtle forge]

always

[opaque sphinx]

[limber ledge]

Fair, just don't take prices as is cuz they're way off.

[subtle forge]

ambush tooltip:

Teleports you to a nearby enemy, applying a buff to you for a short duration and blinding the enemy for a secondary duration. Performing a melee attack with a One-Handed Weapon removes the buff to exert that attack.

[normal hedge]

thats a win, you dont have to press ambush anymore

[cosmic raptor]

😂

[cosmic raptor]

indeed

[opaque sphinx]

where does it say can't be exerted

[limber ledge]

Gl on whatever build you settle on

[subtle forge]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Retaliation

[opaque sphinx]

thats so fucking dumb

1 line of text in game woulda saved me days

[umbral crag]

That is wack when im doing the same damage for like 20div, for similar tankiness probably around 150div on pf

[subtle forge]

always the way haha

[surreal mulch]

how often do volatile orbs drop from miraged beyond bosses? if ever

[opaque sphinx]

bro im so over this league

[cosmic raptor]

bald vortex on pf?

[umbral crag]

Ive seen 2 in approx 40-50 maps

[umbral crag]

Yeah

[limber ledge]

If it's the summoner bv thing it's just streamer hype driving price and what people ask up so high.

[subtle forge]

just hang out on standart, ez 😏

[surreal mulch]

I mean specifically bosses as opposed to running endless tide

which is perma beyond basically

[umbral crag]

I am also doing minion pact bv on pf for 20div sooo

[subtle forge]

lol at that reaction

[cosmic raptor]

can i see the pob?

[subtle forge]

would be nice if the ring was more visible 😒

that's really annoying

[umbral crag]

Not on pc now, but its a scuffed version of deathbeam with budget cuts for tankiness currently. I can dhare deathbeams pob

[limber ledge]

Yeah and like I said for tft build sales they demand absurd amounts compared to actual value/cost just for putting it together.

[cosmic raptor]

sure

[umbral crag]

Yeah i know

[umbral crag]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/pf-pact-bv

[subtle forge]

'least rupture on support minions works for me lol

[cosmic raptor]

t y

[umbral crag]

Im using dod over eternal damnation tho. Can't afford poi sublime and progenesis yet coz om a late starter to league

So my max hit is lower

You dont necessarily need to the weapon swap tech that deathbeam is doing in his pob too

You're well over the dmg to need a 5 link for eclipse gem imo

So just shift gems around and fit the spectre on an existing 4 link

[cosmic raptor]

build looks very good on paper but how;s the speed?

[lean urchin]

3,35

[cosmic raptor]

3.35 actually

[umbral crag]

Like movement speed or clear speed?

[cosmic raptor]

clear speed yeah

like how fast can it run maps

[opaque sphinx]

k we solved it

build should be playable just worse with dia shrine

dia massive still 1 mir damn

[umbral crag]

Fast. 3m poison prolif means you can potentially clear an entire unstable breach in one attack if they're dense enough

[short prairie]

Wait. Hold on. One sec, the Winds of Fate + Diamond shrine belt = no down side

[whole bluff]

I am ultra dense so that should be fine

[short prairie]

Insane

Winds of fate kind of busted

[normal hedge]

990% inc phys winds of fate login

[short prairie]

• Diamond shrine login

[native abyss]

login login

[short prairie]

Better than voidforge

[normal hedge]

can get 180+ crit multi as well

[cosmic raptor]

hmm, thanks, ill check tft maybe someone has some showcases

[short prairie]

Free block chance as well

[umbral crag]

It'll play basically the same as the occultist version you shared lol

Theyre both poison prolif bv

Playstyle wont be different

[opaque sphinx]

where uber frags

[umbral crag]

The only thing is for pf you have to press your life flask periodically

[cosmic raptor]

im worried about how often you have to cast blade vortex(?)

[dim turtle]

Gotta type em in glhf scrolling this doesnt work

[opaque sphinx]

sad

[umbral crag]

I mean, that'll be the same concern no matter which bv version you do, unless you're okay to sacrifice some damage to use perfect marionette spectre

[drowsy eagle]

cyclone cast while channeling blade vortex

[umbral crag]

once you played it a bit you'll get the hang of knowing when to cast bv again

[short prairie]

@normal hedge

[umbral crag]

Now this is a mood kekw

[cosmic raptor]

deathbeam is not using marionette?
so if his minion dies he has to leave the map?

[umbral crag]

?

[drowsy eagle]

minion dies the moment you cast bv

[cosmic raptor]

that was one version of the build i saw in the past

[umbral crag]

Bv minion pact sacrifice the minion for the damage. Spectre is supposed to die

[hexed egret]

I will never sacrifice duration nodes when playing BV, it feels so unpleasant without some

[cosmic raptor]

something about having no minion anymore and having to leave the map

or something

[umbral crag]

Thats the bv snapshotting

[drowsy eagle]

that's if you lose your bv stack

[umbral crag]

You should never let bv run out of stack

So you need to cast it periodically even when theres no enemy

[cosmic raptor]

ahhh, i see

[hexed egret]

Like sure you can spend the points for more damage but you just make BV feel unpleasant

[opaque sphinx]

aiight with budget gear and having to use dia shrine, we can 4 hit ubers

[umbral crag]

The moment you run out of bv stacks then you lost the dmg from minion pact, and have no more minion to sacrifice again.

Thats why for the scuffed players they sacrifice damage for dark marionette, which self revive themselves

[drowsy eagle]

or make a recoup loop cwdt BV

[umbral crag]

But if you're at least half sensible and conscious then you shouldnt need

[dim turtle]

Big ask ngl

[umbral crag]

Fair point

[spice pecan]

i feel like my bv snapshot randomly just falls off too even tho i know i didnt let bv drop

like sometimes i walk into harvest and shit just doesn't die

[umbral crag]

Then you probably did by a microsecond and didn't realise

[dim turtle]

bf > bv 🥱

[spice pecan]

idk i be pressing bv like once every other second

but yeah probably idk

[cosmic raptor]

and how often do you have to press BV to not lose stacks?

[spice pecan]

i have 7.5s duration on mine rn

[umbral crag]

Idk, around 6-7 seconds i reckon

[spice pecan]

with exceptional performance plus the two small duration nodes in topleft of scion area

[hexed egret]

That doesn't sound like default duration

[dim turtle]

[cosmic raptor]

hmmm, i see

[lilac acorn]

@native zealot i cant DM you, what happened?

[cosmic raptor]

thanks

im considering this build

i suppose it does well vs bosses too?

[karmic gust]

if you fuck up you also can just portal out and back in without like abandoning map completely

so its whatever

or enter mirage

[dim sonnet]

not a single tink

[umbral crag]

It is technically lesser clicks than your normal mappers. The only thing is you need to remember to click bv even when there's no enemy.

[spice pecan]

yeah, no issues on single target

[cosmic raptor]

im sure it becomes muscle memory at some point

[karmic gust]

i think you can respawn it via mirage however many times you want but not ure

[spice pecan]

this does work

[umbral crag]

I melt everything on my 20d budget except uber bosses lol

Haven't tried ubers yet so idk

[cosmic raptor]

yeah, i have more to invest, like 2000 divs

😂

[karmic gust]

yea i just shield charge shield charge shield charge bv

etc

[spice pecan]

im on 40d ish investment with a homecooked pob and i'm having no trouble

[umbral crag]

Then you definitely have no issues

[karmic gust]

on repeat

would recommend p2w mtx for hideout tho xd

[slow vault]

Anyone who's looked into Jung's BV build who can tell me why he's using lifetap on the 6L? Is it just so he can run "cannot regen" maps?

[umbral crag]

Its just how much u can handle the mild 'clunkiness' of minion pact bv

[cosmic raptor]

what was that about having to press life potion often?

[umbral crag]

Honestly at 2000div u can probably do the cheftain version instead

[spice pecan]

that or phys mastery possibly

[karmic gust]

lifetap is just nice so you dont have to solve mana and run no regen yea

[umbral crag]

Life flask is your source of sustain as a pf

[cosmic raptor]

right, yeah

[cosmic raptor]

lots of versions out there, hard to pick one

[umbral crag]

Can consider this. Pf is really really good and function stupid well at a budget option and can scale well enough.

But past a certain point cheftain will probably outscale it hard enough i reckon

[slow vault]

Yeah, figured as much. Thx!

[karmic gust]

i can run every altar and all map mods except 3, and binos clear is broken

[opaque sphinx]

https://pobb.in/EsgeUt5Vcs7J

[spice pecan]

i think occultist is overkill, chief or glad are probably the better options, or maybe pf

[opaque sphinx]

current setup with the budget stuff

[karmic gust]

even with more investment i wouldnt go any other version

[frigid wedge]

pf is the best ascend for budget tbh

[spice pecan]

you get so much damage that you really just want a tanky ascendancy

[karmic gust]

occultist is dogshit for sure just go chief at that point

[umbral crag]

^

[karmic gust]

if you wat explode

[frigid wedge]

how has the dps gone down since yesterday

[crimson hearth]

what skill

[icy zinc]

day 800 of begging ggg to remove verisium ore channeling

[umbral crag]

I do think its just cheftain or pf as ideal option

[frigid wedge]

minion pact bv

[spice pecan]

i'm very fond of glad for minion pact bv tho

[umbral crag]

Cheftain scales harder, but wayyy higher investment

[crimson hearth]

ohh overrated build

[opaque sphinx]

yesterday was theorypob, today is real gear and less budget

[crimson hearth]

the support is expensive asf

[spice pecan]

not at all lol

[opaque sphinx]

also learned ambush doesnt work with retal skills so had to swap to diamond shrine from massive

[icy zinc]

im an ore activist mhmd

[karmic gust]

you can go binos glad as well to have like middle ground with the block defense and actually having clear

[spice pecan]

companionship is 14d rn

[karmic gust]

as the jungs setup has no clear at all

but thats fixable ofc with some stuff

[spice pecan]

i just went with explode chest and herald of ice w/ cold convert, clear is great

[crimson hearth]

exactly

[karmic gust]

but its primarily valdo runner

[umbral crag]

Its mostly just that tbh

[karmic gust]

that herald of ice is doing nothing there for sure :d

[crimson hearth]

channeling is good idea

[karmic gust]

but explode chest works yea

[spice pecan]

i like the effect

[umbral crag]

My entire build rn is ~20div, 14div is companionship lmao

[karmic gust]

but i would still go herald of ash

[spice pecan]

i'm fashionmaxxing

[icy zinc]

wHAT

[karmic gust]

over ice

and ash mtx is super nice too

automaton ash is pretty

[frigid wedge]

ahhhh

[crimson hearth]

because i dont do ore

verisium useless anyways just do the craters

[frigid wedge]

explode without herald of ash or some prolif is criminal

[cosmic raptor]

goonna have to look at poe ninja and see what's nice for chieftain

[karmic gust]

yea you need some proper chaining

[frigid wedge]

chief is usually enmity

[icy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[icy zinc]

yeah thats why verisium channeling should be nuked

[crimson hearth]

i mean

dont interact with verisium at all

only usefull ore is crimson iron

[frigid wedge]

just stand away from it and click on it once and char will walk over and auto channel

[icy zinc]

or make it activate like bismuth

[frigid wedge]

bismuth for juicing and verisium for craters

[icy zinc]

cant have sht in detroit

[crimson hearth]

i meant the verisium ore itself not craters

[icy zinc]

[crimson hearth]

ohh bismuth i forgot

[spice pecan]

verisium isnt that bad, it's just the worst part of crucible without the actual cool part

[frigid wedge]

yeah but verisium in maps is converted to craters iirc

[icy zinc]

remnant of crucible

[crimson hearth]

well yeah

[final owl]

dream fragments, reach of the council, winterweave, or 12 stacked decks. these astrolabe rewards are off the heezy..

[crimson hearth]

i didnt do crucible league 🙁

[cosmic raptor]

i see svalinn on chieftain bv 🤔

[stable pumice]

Crucible was awesome...

[frigid wedge]

not mutually exclusive

[crimson hearth]

i didnt know poe then

[cosmic raptor]

seems less tankier than the pathfinder

lol

[crimson hearth]

started settlers

[spice pecan]

the items were, the mechanic was not

[final owl]

one more labe then i think maybe i don't wanna see harvest again this league.

[cosmic raptor]

ok i guess this is tankier

[dim sonnet]

the fuck is this ?

[cosmic raptor]

currency

what else

[dim sonnet]

thats not currency

[stable pumice]

Intention

[brave igloo]

Yeah it's why the combo is worth more than a mirror

[frigid wedge]

thas what I'm sayin

[dim sonnet]

thats garbae

[stable pumice]

Remove svallin and check how tanky it is... Svallin gives fake ehp remember about that..

[cosmic raptor]

im looking at max hits

not ehp

[frigid wedge]

u can always just build it like the glad and slap on petrified blood

[stable pumice]

Well ehp is made from max hits... So still remove svallin and check again

[drowsy eagle]

remove progen

[brave igloo]

It's this

[stable hawk]

No, svalinn is irrelevant in terms of maxhits

[cosmic raptor]

why would i? if i play the build ill buy it

xd

[drowsy eagle]

I mean "remove everything that is conditional or your number is fake"

[cosmic raptor]

even tankier

[frigid wedge]

it has some ward

:3

doug

[stable hawk]

True actually

[frigid wedge]

istg

[stable hawk]

But it's very little ofc

[frigid wedge]

stop looking for 50k phys max

[cosmic raptor]

😂

need 2k more

for build to be good

[spice pecan]

meanwhile i have 7k phys max and am happy

[gentle chasm]

what is the point of this dogshit lmao

[karmic gust]

arent you glad

[spice pecan]

yes :)

[karmic gust]

xdd

[brave igloo]

Are you looking for a Valdo farmer or what?

[karmic gust]

but anyway. you can use aspect of crab

with block pretyt op

[crisp obsidian]

Didn't he already say he is happy smh

[stable hawk]

Phys max is w/e, after like 35k phys max just pump ele max as much as possible

Unless it's for valdos

[spice pecan]

is there a decent way to make crab not reserve mana

[drowsy eagle]

nah 5k phys max is enough

[brave igloo]

This very much. Like Valdos and absurdly deep delving would be the only exceptions.

[frigid wedge]

thought u said phys max hit is wife

[frigid wedge]

aint there like 2 uniques from craiccean with it on em

[cosmic raptor]

why not

[spice pecan]

eh there's 4

[stable pumice]

Fk it just convert all incoming physical to random ele

[spice pecan]

i might try and work crab into the build tho

[stable pumice]

Just dont catch some crabs while doing it.

[brave igloo]

Because nothing outside of two extremely specific cases will need more than 35k phys max hit for 100% guaranteed survival of any physical hits.

[cosmic raptor]

someone has to run my lifespring valdo's.....

so

[limpid prairie]

Eternal Youth is so bad
At least if I use dissolution of the flesh as recovery you can combine it with flesh and stone to be more tanky
Eternal Youth doesn't give you shit

[dim sonnet]

2 maps no tinks game bugged

[stable pumice]

What build?

[frigid wedge]

eternal youth is for going under es on stuff that scales both

otherwise like

why

ig life stackers too

but that's only like

pact

[brave igloo]

Did you make your lifespring Valdo a ghosted Feared or what?

[limpid prairie]

Shadow meme build

It's not even life stacking but it was decided at some point that dissolution was good recovery

[stable pumice]

Elaborate xD idk tf is this meme build you speak of main skill?

[frigid wedge]

shes playing tawhoas felling static strike

[stable pumice]

Gotcha finally normal answer

[cosmic raptor]

yes need build to run it

😔

[normal hedge]

sadge thought it would be cheaper

[stable pumice]

If only it would be poets pen.

[cosmic raptor]

rip corruption

[stable pumice]

Dam

[frigid wedge]

winning

[hybrid harness]

never noticed these eyes before

nice my deli ran out cuz I wanted to show the eyes

[cosmic raptor]

its just 140c

[split palm]

it's honestly hilarious how profitable those deli orbs are

[normal hedge]

thanks for sharing the eyes

[split palm]

made like 20d in 10 maps with just gems

[normal hedge]

its funny because they doubled in price when fub said to peopl to use 3 of them per map

[frigid wedge]

i tried deli and it was bein eh for me

[split palm]

I run two on each map, since any more is pointless imo

deli makes some stuff easier tbh

it used to at least

no T17s removed that

[frigid wedge]

for some unknown reason breach seems to only affect deli meters like 50% of the time for me

[normal hedge]

i was doing 30d+ hour with deli orbs when i was playing phys dot elementalist

that was 50s per map with mirage included

[split palm]

I made like 50d in 10 maps with 2 astrolabes on breach

in profit

and just essence + exalt slammed this bow

[cosmic raptor]

idk, cant find a good pob on poe ninja, idk what to look for tbh

[vital meteor]

im fighting my first hard boss, the neglected flame on a t16 corrupted originator, is he supposed to be hard?

[split palm]

depends on the build

[vital meteor]

rop

[frigid wedge]

where arrow

[hybrid harness]

are deli orbs usually 13c each at league start too? if so this is gonna be my new strat over harvest for week 1 currency

[vital meteor]

but my dps isn't the highest

[hybrid harness]

brazy that a way easier strat is almost double div/h

[split palm]

not in the budget

[normal hedge]

theyre not that expensive early on

[split palm]

oh god

[normal hedge]

but scarabs are cheaper as well

[split palm]

scarabs are either worthless or gigaexpensive this league

[hybrid harness]

in that case maybe it isnt that much ahead over harvest but still

[normal hedge]

i think i was buying fine orbs for 6c

[stable pumice]

I mean scarabs are cheap due to that abuse early on..

[split palm]

thaumaturge is better imo

[split palm]

what abuse?

doing the league mechanic = abuse

????

[normal hedge]

farming scarabs = abuse

lol

[split palm]

like lmao

I would love to see the scarab goonboxes go core tbh

and be the 4th option for the doubling

maybe even make it a selector

[hybrid harness]

I hope the full mirage maps stay. Idk how mirage would be implemented core otherwise and not feel mandatory on tree

[split palm]

so you can pick either div cards, currency, maps, or scarab doubling

[normal hedge]

i havent tried propagation this patch but i feel like scarabs without boxes gonna be kinda annoying to farm

[split palm]

boxes too good to miss on

also wayy cheaper

like 5c per map

[vital meteor]

i died to him beam the second time after i got him lower than 50% is he some sort of major boss?

[split palm]

no need to roll maps at all

just alch and go high quant regular maps

[normal hedge]

did they nerfed kulemak?

[split palm]

probably

kulemak was broken tbh

like it was arguably the stupidest farm

it shit out so many T0s

[normal hedge]

i mean you need a really strong build for kulemak propagation xdd

[frigid wedge]

remind me which one kulemak was

[split palm]

I had like 5 T0s in 20 maps

[frigid wedge]

syndicate member one?

[split palm]

rerun map, but you have a ton of syndicate members

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[split palm]

shit is beyond busted

[frigid wedge]

btw rilay

[split palm]

but needs a decent build

[normal hedge]

oi

[frigid wedge]

do u just like juicing or are u specifically partial to alva

[normal hedge]

alva?