1┃general

[halcyon prawn]

apothecary + progenesis

but wait, that could be the name of a future unique

[final owl]

the elevation of a human, idea, or thing to divine status

i guess it works

[proud gorge]

something something become God-Touched

[finite quail]

something something The Touch of God!

big flicker strike book

[proud gorge]

hmm, I was just looking through the Arc Assassins to see what they're doing, and noticed that this one actually has a pretty decent phys max hit

so I wondered how it got it

so turns out that's a bit outside of my price range lmao

[finite quail]

guh

[proud gorge]

also for some reason Arc is apparently being played overwhelmingly by Assassins with the FF Perfect Crime, while the Saboteurs are for some reason playing primarily Ball Lightning of Static instead

I guess to get use out of the 50% cooldown reduction

[finite quail]

sands of time

[proud gorge]

yeah

my point is I find it interesting that there's this division in the spells

with Arc being nearly exclusive to Assassins

despite Assassin having no specific mechanics that seem to benefit Arc specifically

[finite quail]

holy

[full kraken]

Cant have both the cdr and skitterbots when abusing the tech, so they use a non cdr spell

Sabo can abuse the cdr tech so it pulls ahead

[tawdry olive]

Lock burning 101

So there’s like 2/3/4 flask div outcomes and after that you need to hit the 1.2+ multiplier

Yikes

[noble sleet]

This guy’s AOE is off the charts lmao

https://youtu.be/MnrF0oown0c?si=di_jwq4yQ_HUrtxW

[karmic gust]

gotta have something to carry the 0dps :d

[finite quail]

Man

the 11link flicker mana cost issue is so bad

I'm having to swap to poachers mark from assassins mark

[karmic gust]

lifetap

[finite quail]

Yeah I bet that would surely go well

221 life per attack lmao

[full kraken]

I dont think it works that way

It just changes the range roll out the gate, so now it can roll from 1 to 5, and thats it

50% chance for poof

1/5 chance you hit 5

[finite quail]

I'd rather not, considering I already have my immortal call using up 500 life per cast every 1.2 seconds, and corrupting fever using up 2000 life

Plus, no links for it either way

thankfully its only like a 15% dps loss, I'll find a way around it in the future once I get -mana cost on my rings

for now, my resistances are fucked, so that comes first

[proud gorge]

no, we know exactly how it works, and its works how they described it. It divines the item, then rolls any variable numeric numbers from 0.78x to 1.22x with subdivisions of 0.01

and then the final number is rounded to the nearest whole number

[full kraken]

Then rounds?

[proud gorge]

yeah

[finite quail]

and now

[full kraken]

So 1/4 chance, then about a 50% chance it rounds up

[finite quail]

I get 100% frenzy charge on hit, with poachers mark

[finite quail]

wdym

[full kraken]

So 1/8 chance roughly to hit it, and 50% chance to poof

So about 16 locks on average

[finite quail]

mageblood rounds up to 5

5 isnt a whole number?

[proud gorge]

you need at least a 1.13x multiplier, since 4 * 1.13 is 4.52

[finite quail]

oh nvm

[proud gorge]

and that's a lot lower chance than 50%

[noble sleet]

Math genius

[finite quail]

I mistook whole number for even number

forget what I said

[full kraken]

Most things in poe ceiling round

[split maple]

most things in poe truncate decimals

thats exception

[full kraken]

Have we confirmed if it rounds, banker rounds, ceilings...

[full kraken]

They ceiling not floor, unless maybe it truncates abd is stored inversely as 1-n, then itd be floor

IE durations round up not down

[proud gorge]

there's 45 total possible rolls, and 10 of them are 1.13 or higher, so
50% chance to poof
25% chance to roll 4 flask
10/45 or 22.22% chance to roll 1.13x or higher

For a total 1/2 * 1/4 * 2/9 = 1/36

so rare, but not the worst odds for a volatile vaal max roll

[full kraken]

Id be curious to see the source that it rounds and doesnt ceiling, Ive never seen anything else round in poe

Everything Ive ever seen ceilings in poe

[proud gorge]

yes, its designed to work identically to the PoE2 volatile vaal orb

and no, nothing in PoE ceilings either

prior to this, it was always floors, aka truncation

[full kraken]

Ive extensively tested durations of buffs, they ceiling

[proud gorge]

either you hit the breakpoint or you didn't

but yeah, there's no official source, but volatile vaal orbs have been tested extensively at this point

[full kraken]

Breakpoints for cooldown and buff durations ceiling not floor

[proud gorge]

we're well aware that it rounds because it can both round down at the low end and up at the high end

[full kraken]

A duration of 67ms becomes 99ms

(3 ticks)

[proud gorge]

Okay, for specifically tick breakpoints sure

point being

we know it rounds, its been extensively tested and it can both round down and up in edge cases

its mechanics are not a mystery

[full kraken]

Though its probably somehow stored inversely and actually floors

Floor is the fastest operation to do for the cpu cuz its just zeroing out all bits after nth bit

[hazy flint]

wowowow breach op 😄

[full kraken]

I dunno how ggg encodes that data but they prolly figured out how to store it as 1-n in a way that makes sense

[proud gorge]

no, that's not how floor operations work, because that only applies if you're flooring in factors of 2

they just truncate

probably by converting to int

[full kraken]

True, but you see floats are weird like that

So it works, its part of why floats are used in game dev

But in turn makes float math weird

[proud gorge]

anyways, the game doesn't actually manually enforce tick limits

they just happen

[full kraken]

It does, all the way to the UI even

[proud gorge]

which is why in-game tooltips will display the numbers regardless of tick limits, allowing you to show in game non-tick cast rates

[full kraken]

For cooldown and durations at least but weirdly not attacks/sec or casts/sec

I assume cast/attacks per sec dont get it enforced cuz they can bypass the limits via Repeats

So they have to be able to display finer grained rates

But durations and cooldowns due to have enforcement in the UI client side

[proud gorge]

I assume its because they don't add an additional calculation step to enforce tick limits, they just calculate it correctly then the tick limit itself enforces tick limits

[full kraken]

Cooldowns on skills show the post rounded values

[bold kelp]

Is ther a visual for oriaths end? I swear I cant see anything

[full kraken]

To nearest tick

Same for durations

[proud gorge]

and specifically for the time-based things they added an additional calculation step on the display or something

but the natural state would be displaying the values regardless of ticks

because they don't calculate things in ticks

[full kraken]

I assume its purely cuz attacks and casts can break out of the limits anyways, multiattack support and etc

[proud gorge]

they're not going to do calculations in ticks

for obvious reasons

the tick limit isn't even something most players are meant to know about, its just something that happens at particularly high cast/attack speeds

[split kernel]

is EDWA good with explosive concoction?

[proud gorge]

but its not like its a major mechanic, its an engine limitation

[bold kelp]

@karmic gust Does oriaths end even work with mines? The wording makes it sound like it should, but I don't see any visual for it

[dusky flame]

hello can i ask here something about farming? or is there a dedicated text channel for it?

[proud gorge]

it does not

[karmic gust]

idk if it has visuals or not but there si no reason for it to not work with mines

[proud gorge]

lemme explain why

[karmic gust]

you can test it easily by just unequipping mine

[bold kelp]

I went into a1 and started basic attacking stuff, and theres a visual for when it procs

Do mines not inherit your flasks?

Because effects that say "you" work with mines normally

[proud gorge]

okay so Proxies aren't You, they just cast skills as you. Only the casting skills part, and nothing else. So anything that applies to you and involves only the casting of spells/attacks/skills apply to their effects.

[karmic gust]

they inherit offensive stats

[bold kelp]

I've been using a normal bismuth flask this entire time

[proud gorge]

On kill effects don't count

because that's not an offensive stat

that's a personal stat of the character

its about kill credit

which is a whole complicated system

but the gist of things is that proxies get their own independent kill credit

so your proxies killing things isn't the same as you killing things

[bold kelp]

So mines just wouldnt inherit the you part

[proud gorge]

there's a very small number of hard-coded exceptions

[deep pilot]

Hi guys, thats my first run, anyone want to voice chat just for fun?:D

[karmic gust]

they would, if its offensive stat

it has nothing to do with it being on kill or not

[karmic gust]

orriaths probs doesnt count

[proud gorge]

read

[karmic gust]

it literally lists 3 on kill effects there so has nothing to do with it beingon kill or not

[bold kelp]

so ig oriaths just isnt one of the things that is inherited by the mines

[karmic gust]

just if its inherited or not

[bold kelp]

Is malediction an offensive stat? Darkseer wouldnt work then right

[proud gorge]

proxies get their own kill credit, there's very very few things that allow the player to inherit kill credit from a proxy, namely Headhunter, XP, flask charges, and souls

[karmic gust]

darkseer just applies malediction to stuff in range wym it wouldnt work

[finite quail]

Hmm... yes.... surely 46 mana available for a 44 mana attack will be fine

[karmic gust]

oh you mean from the blind on hit

[finite quail]

[bold kelp]

No, thats only as sabo. You have to blind stuff to apply malediction

[karmic gust]

it will work

[proud gorge]

but yeah, there's some weird exceptions since a very small number of "on-kill effects" aren't actually on kill effects, but modifications to the skill

any on-kill effect that's conditional on the skill, for example

or conditional on something happening with the skill

[onyx adder]

Its actually usually ok for flicker because u always hit before the next time u spend mana

Just dont airball

[proud gorge]

its all very confusing and technical

[bold kelp]

Is there a visual for malediction?

[finite quail]

I attack very fast so I do actually have mana issues

But poachers mark fixes it completely

love you poachers mark

[onyx adder]

Ofc, its instant

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the key to remember is that Proxies aren't you, and don't count as you, but when they cast a skill they cast your version of that skill, the one you'd cast if you were them

[finite quail]

26 mana per hit is insane

[proud gorge]

but they have no other inheritence or interactions naturally

[proud gorge]

but yeah, as far as I can tell conditional on-kill effects are always internally skill modifications

[bold kelp]

@karmic gust malediction farm darkseer doesnt work either. Smoke mines dont proc it, so its not something inherited by your mines

[proud gorge]

since the skill has to be able to check the condition at the moment of the kill

well, that's not true. I could imagine a conditional on-kill effect that depends solely on the player

like "on-kill while you have Onslaught" or something

[noble sleet]

Is 100 mil deeps considered a lot for Ubers or?…

[proud gorge]

but most existing conditional on-kill effects require them to check the hit or the enemy

[karmic gust]

try with brutality linked instead with the on hit maybe

[proud gorge]

depends on the build and how tanky it is

[onyx adder]

Its enough in pretty much every circumstance

If ur doing phased ubers and ur an absolute monkey u might die once per phase with 100m dps

[noble sleet]

It’s cyclone you caught me

[proud gorge]

100m is a lot for an ultra-tanky facetank build, since those often kill ubers with closer to 20m. It's also a lot for a middling defense build. On the other hand, a squishy ultra-offense build would probably find it to be a bit too low on some ubers unless they're doing traps or something that can pre-stack.

[bold kelp]

This works for some reason

[karmic gust]

if you have actually real 100M dps then you will delete most ubers in few seconds

if its just pob number then you wont obviously

[bold kelp]

Ok so why does smoke mine not work. But hitting with mines does work?

And then why does hitting with mines with malediction work, but not oriaths end.

Is this shit literally just arbitrary

Malediction is not an offensive stat

[proud gorge]

it's not actually about "offensive stats" vs "non-offensive stats"

it's about stats that directly modify the skill vs stats that only modify the player

since the proxies use the skill as you, anything that modifies the skill applies

even if it says "you"

[bold kelp]

How do you tell if something modifies the player and not their skills

[proud gorge]

mostly intuition honestly, it's kind of weird and arbitrary

on-kill effects are mostly player unless they're conditional on the skill or the hit or the enemy

on-hit effects are mostly skill

things conditional on specific hits or specific hit effects or specific enemy states are usually skill

unless they're not

[tranquil sedge]

any recommendations on the best place on the atlas to place astrolabes for farming? im basically just boss rushing

[real finch]

heyy buddyy

[native token]

strand for uniqs

[real finch]

how to find "Celestial Nebula Hideout"

[tranquil sedge]

for wot

[native token]

with your creditcard in the shop

[noble sleet]

https://youtu.be/hQ33HFSGt9Q?si=oLANY7EqiCTeGjq0 I didn’t hear pal talk about bosses so I was curious how this setup does against that. Mapping obviously looks comfy but was wonder how is spin to win on bosses. He is slayer

[cosmic raptor]

viper strike of the mambald

[real finch]

tysm

[halcyon prawn]

wonder how they'll bring back some awakened gem stats, like awakened ele dam with attacks reflect immune

[cosmic raptor]

hate when people do build guides and dont mention bosses....

[karmic gust]

well they buffed the reflect sourcces because of that right so i doubt they will

[onyx adder]

I prefer it like this in general

[drowsy eagle]

pob only says 150m dps, you need 2b for bosses

[noble sleet]

Yeah.. maybe bossing is so shit he couldn’t bring himself to mention it lol. I like when people demonstrate map showcases and uber bosses.

[native token]

why people expecting a nerf for minion pact xd

mid league nerf

[halcyon prawn]

and the ones that buff stats, imbued compensates? which confirms mirage will go core in some form?

[onyx adder]

Where u can stack a smaller stat and it actually works rather than either ur immune or not

Or u stack a stat that u think makes u immune and it doesnt

Which was dogwater

[cosmic raptor]

i think i heard palsteron say that he's a mapper only, maybe that's why he doesnt care about bosses

[karmic gust]

no clue, but the compensation is in the excpetionals being much stronger baseline than woke gems

not the actual imbues

[noble sleet]

Guess I can’t use that word. That sounds so dumb lol

[karmic gust]

they just did not made enough exceptionals forr some archetypes

and thats it

[proud gorge]

Minion Pact is mostly alright, but specifically the BV Snapshot use of Minion Pact is insanely overpowered, ridiculously easy to set up, and abuses weird snapshotting mechanics, which feels like an exploit

[noble sleet]

Weird

[onyx adder]

I dont think u need to mention bosses if ur showcasing a cyclone build

Same reason u dont if ur showcasing hh kb

Or autobombers

[finite quail]

11 link flicker looking juicy so far

https://pobb.in/io5x_EreOhfm

[proud gorge]

I think Minion Pact will probably not get mid-league patched, since they usually reserve that for things that are bugged or mechanically broken, like the 100 Soul Eater invincible AG

which was mechanically a problem

whereas Minion Pact Snapshot BV, while strong, is just strong

[cosmic raptor]

if they nerf minion pact they're nerfing 95% of the player base

😂

[finite quail]

they should nerf it

[native token]

but why

[onyx adder]

Doesnt need a midleague nerf

[cosmic raptor]

next league, sure

[native token]

will be gone in next patch

[cosmic raptor]

not now

[onyx adder]

Can be dunked next league

[proud gorge]

like, I'd understand it getting nerfed, specifically with the BV-snapshot

[drowsy eagle]

wts

[onyx adder]

Casie just fishing for reactions as usual XD

[proud gorge]

the nerf would probably just be that BV can't snapshot the damage buff

[native token]

People are invested

with alot currency

[proud gorge]

so when you next cast BV it would lose the damage snapshot

[split belfry]

is it better for a small reservation efficiency cluster to run 2 or 3 passive cluster?

[native token]

when they going to nerf it they will kill trust and the league itself

[proud gorge]

since damage snapshotting doesn't tend to be a thing they like having in the game

but also yes, I doubt they'll mid-league nerf it

but like

[onyx adder]

Na they'll just nerf it for u casie

[proud gorge]

at the same time

[onyx adder]

GGG will be like ok that guy trolls discord general chat let's make his game client do no damage

[tranquil sedge]

depends on what your build requires

[proud gorge]

I think everyone doing minion pact snapshotting things is well aware that it could get surprise nerfed, it's aggressively a build that you should not be at all surprised by it getting nerfed

[noble sleet]

Yall kinda remind me of the helldivers community a bit asking for nerfs mid league lol

[onyx adder]

Nobody is asking for nerfs midleague lul

[proud gorge]

like, with the invincible AG thing, absolutely everybody was well aware it was getting hotfixed immediately

[prime needle]

https://i.imgur.com/XrEKYul.png

[tranquil sedge]

3 small passive (3 total)
2 small passive + notable (3 total)
2 small passive (2 total)
1 small passive + notable (2 total)

these are all viable, just depends on your needs

[cosmic raptor]

bino's chicken wife

[prime needle]

RIP to the crit chance but this will come in handy for a swap to mamba tomorrow

[native token]

they didnt fix kboc last patch

since it was a bug

mid league

[proud gorge]

anyone who invested a bunch of money into invincible AG builds and then was surprised at it getting hotfixed is just dumb

[noble sleet]

The thing about BV minion pact is that does it have ass clear? Amazing single target but ass clear?

[prime needle]

urr rip to the crit mult which shouldn't matter bc it's a dot prolif build right?

[onyx adder]

Bad dps to mid dps PogU

[karmic gust]

im surprised they never fixed the tornado thing ngl but i assumed they just peaced out

and did not cared

[tranquil sedge]

that guy is a known troll, he stopped plaguing this chat and went to poe2 chat for a long time, now he's back here

just fyi

[proud gorge]

no, it has very good clear and also amazing DPS

[onyx adder]

Casie?

[native token]

one of the best clears in the game atm

[onyx adder]

Na we love casie

[prime needle]

my dumbass forgot to do qual before i hit it with a volatile vaal

[tranquil sedge]

zorenine

[proud gorge]

its BV

[onyx adder]

Oh i thought he was just new

[halcyon prawn]

what about, let's say awakened inc aoe, what could be the exceptional they could make? or is it a bit small of a difference for them to make an exceptional

[prime needle]

so i got to roll fuckin 140 tainted whetstones lol

to get 20

[proud gorge]

hard to have bad clear when you're running BV

[karmic gust]

i do think losing woke inc aoe is sad

but 🤷‍♂️

[onyx adder]

I just assume everyone i dont know is a root vegetable until otherwise demonstrated

[karmic gust]

not like it was actually popular gem ever

[proud gorge]

I just don't like BV

[noble sleet]

God you hate me lmao

[proud gorge]

I don't like "chores" skills

[karmic gust]

pretty easy actually because BV baseline clear is dogshit :d

[tranquil sedge]

i wasn't even talking to you but thanks for letting me know you actually care about what i think

what a weirdo

[prime needle]

Wait i can sell that binos for like 300div and then just fund the entire build

[proud gorge]

"oh looks like I gotta top up the old BV stacks every several seconds for the entire map"

[prime needle]

with what I already have

[onyx adder]

U should probably equip the skill gem 1 time before saying things like this lul

[still berry]

does animate guardian lose gear on death still or was that changed?

[noble sleet]

Ohh online it didn’t seem like it had good mapping clear unless they were running idk gloom for explosions and what not.

[karmic gust]

you cant ever clear with actual bv regarldess of how much aoe you have either

[proud gorge]

I... have?

[onyx adder]

Actual baseline bv, as deathbeam says, has embarrassing clear

Ur not acting like it

[proud gorge]

BV is a mobile AoE spell skill that kills things around it

[onyx adder]

Bv needs both aoe and explosions to function

[bold kelp]

"AoE" is doing alot of heavy lifting when the base aoe of BV is basically 0

[onyx adder]

Its baseline is far too small to kill anything relevant

[proud gorge]

yes, and despite its "embarassing" base AoE it's one of the best clear skills in the game

[onyx adder]

Its not

[proud gorge]

wow

[karmic gust]

BV is not killing stuff in aoe, BV is killing stuff that you touch pretty much lul

[onyx adder]

Its an excellent clear skill when u solve duration, aoe and explosions

[native token]

darkness resistance is still useless right

[onyx adder]

If u solve all of those things its great

If u solve 2 out of 3 its unplayable

This is like

[proud gorge]

yes? Again, the point here is that on the Minion Pact build it has very good clear, because you can just build a regular-ass BV clear build but also have billions of DPS

[onyx adder]

Basic bv education

[bold kelp]

If you have this aoe, it takes ages to clear a map still

[karmic gust]

next we are gonna say that RF is best clear skill in the game because it kills stuff in aoe as well and is mobile too

[noble sleet]

And they called me the troll lol

[bold kelp]

Like how are you running across the entire map with no aoe

[proud gorge]

like, what are you even arguing here

[onyx adder]

What u said is that its hard to have bad clear running bv

Thats not a useful statement

[noble sleet]

I’m gonna need that cyclone aoe

[onyx adder]

Which is why 3 people jumped on u

[prime needle]

i get not the chat for that but anyone have an idea for price list

[proud gorge]

they asked if Minion Pact BV has good clear, I said yes, it's a BV build, it has very good clear

[bold kelp]

Cyclone is just as bad

[karmic gust]

especially when its so hard to actually solve clear on BV, its so wild statement to make

[prime needle]

like 240div is my thought

[onyx adder]

Yer

[noble sleet]

Don’t you talk about my beyblade

[karmic gust]

and yet if you look at jungs setup for example he has 0 clear on minion pact BV setup

[proud gorge]

and then I got "actually if you're a dumbass and don't build anything it has bad clear"

[onyx adder]

U need like 60% of ur build solving clear on bv or it doesnt clear

[proud gorge]

"wow how dare you say BV has good clear when my Concentrated Effect level 1 unlinked BV has bad clear actually"

[onyx adder]

I mean if u type dumb shit

Ppl will tell u that u typed dumb shit

[noble sleet]

Hmm I guess this is why pal went gloom shrine? He did it without it and it’s ok but with gloom and gull, it was 70% chance for explodies and gloom solves most of your clear ?

[onyx adder]

Its not rocket surgery i promise

Anyway

BV explodies good

[karmic gust]

one of the waysyou can solve clear yes

also look at what he sacrificed for it

gloom shrine BV 0 ms 0 attack speed 0 cast speed

just explodies

[noble sleet]

There’s always a cost😩

[proud gorge]

"erm, actually, you said BV has good clear, but in this hyperspecific dumbass scenario I've invented in my own head I'm right and you're wrong actually"

[karmic gust]

you better pray monsters are walking towards you not you towards them with those kinds of setups :d

[onyx adder]

Yea bv is one of those skills that has a ton of tradeoffs

[noble sleet]

Yeah well I see he uses shield charge to get around lmao

[native token]

https://imgur.com/X2mqBwW

keeper

or go again

[noble sleet]

Yeah honestly cyclone with acel shrine just looked so fun and comfy lol. It gave me beatable vibes. Huh I don’t think we’ll ever have this type of spin to win ever in Poe 2 sadly

[bold kelp]

I dont get why people still like cyclone. The skill is so shit with 0 aoe nowdays

[onyx adder]

Is rarity stacking still a thing in trade

[karmic gust]

i like how you completely ignored my comment about one of the more popular setups for minion pact BV actually having very bad clear just to continue arguing about dumb stuff

[onyx adder]

Or are u ssf again

[finite quail]

why would this be a keeper

[native token]

its nice for me

[finite quail]

bro keep going

[karmic gust]

shield charge doesnt work very well with no attack speed or movement speed baseline :d

[native token]

îts t2 suffix rarity

thats my concern

[bold kelp]

Heavy strike as a matter of fact has absurd clear. One of the best clears in the game actually

[native token]

i want 2x rarity fireres

[karmic gust]

but its your best option there pretty much

[native token]

idk im ssf

[noble sleet]

Did you see that link I sent. I think I can convert you

[karmic gust]

i guess technically perma smoke mine is another option

[tranquil sedge]

put ssf in your name if you wanna flex on everyone 😄

[bold kelp]

Ok sure, but like, if he played another attack in the game it'd just be better

see:flicker strike

I dont understand why people sleep on flicker strike still

[proud gorge]

I saw that, I just was busy arguing with WTD. But yes, if you're playing it pure bossing then yeah you can build it with bad AoE, the point is that its very very easy to have good clear by just building a regular BV clear build but now it has stupid-high DPS

[bold kelp]

Why are there not more flicker strike builds

[noble sleet]

Love them downsides. There’s the new cyclone gem but the downside is 10% LESS move speed per stack or something lol.

[tranquil sedge]

for fun

and you can make up for the lack of aoe with explode

maybe its not optimal or best fun for you but its certainly more than playable

[onyx adder]

Well cyclone is a little like bv except instead of solving duration u need to solve damage

[ocean nest]

I've played too much flicker strike in the past. enough for the next 5 - 10 years

[karmic gust]

yea but thats where you are wrong, because its very very hard to have good clear on BV as already pointed out multiple times. BV builds do it because they cant do anything else otherwise

[cosmic raptor]

hehe finally new build

[karmic gust]

as the skill damage is low

skill clear is bad

so only thing its good for is to serve as explosion delivery mechanism

[noble sleet]

Cyclone of tumult specifically

[karmic gust]

you can always just tap clear with tumult no to just avoid stages, or at least thats what i saw ppl do before and then you just hold it on boss, even though doing it is questionable i guess

[proud gorge]

I'm very confused, because you also said something about RF having "bad clear" and I assumed you were being sarcastic

[karmic gust]

for sure less questionable than using the boots

[proud gorge]

is your genuine argument that RF has bad clear

[onyx adder]

Something u can do these days btw on poison bv if ur not playing minion pact is single target voidsphere of rending

[noble sleet]

Talking about the boots that cap your move speed? The unique ones?

[onyx adder]

Its -4 gem slots for 70% more dps it goes a long way to solving single target and scales the exact same way as bv

[bold kelp]

Im also not sure why poison BV with minion pact is even the play. Would you not play marionettes and play something like arc?

[onyx adder]

Ofc u still have all the other bv problems

[karmic gust]

yea

[bold kelp]

Arc with binos sounds infinitely better than poison BV

[karmic gust]

ye i saw you mention it like 4 times before lul

[noble sleet]

Now idk if yall think this has bad aoe but this is big ass beyblade size lmao.

[karmic gust]

sounds decent i guess

[onyx adder]

Cd too long no?

[onyx adder]

Ouch

[bold kelp]

I mean, you can cast like 4 times every 4s

[tranquil sedge]

does the barya-dropping dude spawn in mirages without a guaranteed wish, is it just rng?

[onyx adder]

Im old ok

[noble sleet]

Well I guess that’s why he used acel belt. It’s the loophole in the system since it does make you move faster but it doesn’t count as move speed so he just circumvents all the downsides lol

[proud gorge]

I mean yes, the only benefit of Minion Pact BV is that it does minion pact snapshotting, so you can get a single insanely high health Companionship spectre and then carry that snapshotted extra flat damage for the entire map/boss/whatever

[bold kelp]

And its arc bino's how often would you possibly need to cast

[proud gorge]

on most other minion pact builds that aren't abusing snapshotting you run marionettes yes

[bold kelp]

Ok but by sacrificing damage, you can go play something that actually sounds like it feels super good

i.e arc binos

Or some other spell with really long reach binos

[onyx adder]

I think u like arc too much

[karmic gust]

RF has like twice the base aoe as BV for comparison and yet its clear is not discussed as one of the best clear skills basically ever, and its not even remotely close either, it was just comparison to how wild your statement was

[proud gorge]

arc isn't really a duration skill

[bold kelp]

I did until I started to farm breach with it

Lmfao

[autumn beacon]

Anyone tried the new scion ascendency? I have not seen anyone playing it

[bold kelp]

Turns out having like 18 chains on arc doesnt mean shit when you're doing breach

[prime needle]

https://i.imgur.com/RP1yLw0.png

and there we go

[karmic gust]

idk i just walk around and binos clears everything

[prime needle]

400div build listed

[karmic gust]

idk why i would i want to play arc instead?

[tranquil sedge]

wot build

[karmic gust]

it does nothing

[bold kelp]

it goes further or smth idk

[karmic gust]

i dont need more damage either

[prime needle]

bleed slams

[tranquil sedge]

i should have guessed lol

[bold kelp]

What spell has the furthest coverage

[tranquil sedge]

got a pob?

[bold kelp]

Like ideally you'd just want a spell that goes to narnia right?

[karmic gust]

i dont need furthest coveraeg binos is furthest coverage

[bold kelp]

Bino's chain sometimes breaks

[prime needle]

not updated and don't wanna add everything back

[karmic gust]

not from my experience :d

[prime needle]

but was around 140k EHP 25mil dps w/ tincture

[tranquil sedge]

i meant your new one whenever you finish your new build 😄

no worries

[prime needle]

oh aha just gonna copy jung's

[onyx adder]

Eow

[karmic gust]

ideally upgrade over BV would be herald of thunder here, or something that auto targets in much bigger range

[bold kelp]

Theres no way EoW has the furthest coverage

[karmic gust]

so i dont have to walk straight up to somethings ass

[brave igloo]

Vaal Ice Nova

[karmic gust]

but hot doesnt work with minion pact

so oh well

[proud gorge]

I mean, what are you looking for? Do you mean skill that hits the furthest away in one direction? Skill that hits the furthest away in all directions? Skill that hits the furthest away independently? Skill that hits the furthest away while also hitting every enemy between you and the target? There's a lot of possible "furthest away"s.

[onyx adder]

Projectile speed eow clears everything up till entity range cap in front of u

[prime needle]

bring back LS with proj pierce

Vaal LS

[karmic gust]

technically EK would be decent

if i just wanted delivery mechanism for bino

[prime needle]

Vaal LS of Arcing is a ton of fun

[hoary scarab]

frostbomb

[bold kelp]

Furthest away generally means distance. Atleast to me. Just how far a spell can go

[rose nebula]

Double same unique nameless seer

[karmic gust]

but then i have to solve spectre count, sacrifice my helmet, lose defenses

[onyx adder]

If u want EK to hit three pack distance in front of u then u need a shit ton of projectile speed

I dont like it here

[karmic gust]

yea i mean i can just run faster proj in main link :d

[brave igloo]

So travel distance? I think you can reach end of screen with fireball when you scale a bit of proj speed

[karmic gust]

and faster proj wand or some shit, that shouldn tbe that big issue

[cosmic raptor]

rarer than a mageblood

[hoary scarab]

proj speed rolling magma with a ton of chains

[proud gorge]

okay but do you mean off a single spell effect? While chaining through mobs? Instant cast? Because Shockwave Totems have incredibly high targetting range, one of the highest in the game, but they target one singular point two screens away.

[tranquil sedge]

fireball travel distance depends on how loudly you shout hadouken

scales with shouting volume

[bold kelp]

greater chain rolling magma poison bino's

That will actually go like far as fuck right

[proud gorge]

meanwhile something that can "chain" off itself, like Vaal Ice Nova, has incredible "distance" as long as you're casting it on a giant field of enemies

[onyx adder]

Rolling magma does unironically reach entity distance cap

[karmic gust]

yea rolling magma actually goes very far, maybe thats alright

[onyx adder]

But then ur playing faster projectiles rolling magma

[karmic gust]

but the single target would be cancer

lul

[onyx adder]

And u will actually /wrists

[bold kelp]

fair

[tranquil sedge]

since ppl are talking about cyclone so much
what kinda budget would ppl recommend to swap to a second-build-of-league regular hit cyclone if i didnt plan on using the new belt?

currently playing magefist's flicker glad for dps/tank context

[karmic gust]

with nimis might be ok so you dont have to actually maintain distance frorm enemy i guess

but then that also makes theclear worse

[proud gorge]

man, I remember old legion Sire of Shards Rolling Magma glacier farming

that was a silly time

[hoary scarab]

use gloamfang and just stand 2 screens away from the boss

[proud gorge]

just rolling magmas in all directions

[karmic gust]

never :d

[prime needle]

That was what i was just gonna ask

rolling magma everywhere could be kinda fun

[brave igloo]

Also the visuals would be cancer. The flickering starts to persist even when not playing when half of your screen is constantly flickering

[prime needle]

like in a nova from your character

[tranquil sedge]

that's the same answer you'd give if i asked before leaguestart 'should i play magefist flicker glad' too

so let's pretend i convinced you i intend to play it anyway, and ask again for a budget

[hoary scarab]

unleash rolling magma sabo is actually hella fun with the half nimis node

and covers everything

[onyx adder]

Most of the really good single cast spell options are banned with minion pact anyway

[proud gorge]

yeah, doesn't really achieve the goal of hitting everything in a giant circle around you though

[tranquil sedge]

current plan is to farm maybe another 400-500d to invest in this build then call it done prob

then i wanna do cyclone

coz never done any spin2win build before, even coc versions

[onyx adder]

Vfireball or vspark would be 10/10 but alas

[proud gorge]

since half-nimis rolling magma is pretty limited to a relatively much smaller circle around you

[hoary scarab]

just use sire i guess

[proud gorge]

you don't need sire it already shoots in random directions

that's what the node does

[brave igloo]

Much rather use nimis, a bit of randomness makes the skill less toxic for the eye.

[karmic gust]

well i would plan around using the new belt then

[proud gorge]

the main point is that regular Rolling Magma can bounce out to a ridiculous distance and hit enemies, and Nimis massively improves its hit rate near you, but as a result massively reduces its ability to hit things really far away

[hoary scarab]

you can bust use both, the random direction is mainly for the bounce

[karmic gust]

the palsterons setup looked solid, even though i think there are way better things you can be doing with your money than corrupting voidforges

especially when you cant even use your chest and helmet there

and bloodthist is also pretty garbage support gem

[tranquil sedge]

oh okay

ill check it out then

[onyx adder]

Its kind of acceptable on that voidforge setup

[drowsy eagle]

how else can you get phys for voidforge

[karmic gust]

normally by not sacrificing your chest and helmet, and heist ammy on top

[proud gorge]

anyways, clearly if you want to kill an entire unstable breach asap you should just run Vaal Ice Nova. Only issue is it goes off once, which makes it harder to kill enemies over time as the breach opens up.

[drowsy eagle]

I would just use 1 shrine effect item tho, not both body and helmet

[proud gorge]

but you could solve that with 100% reduced vaal soul gain prevention

[hoary scarab]

vaal temptation PF also works

[proud gorge]

ah yeah, forgot about that new support

yeah that also works to let you just chain vaal ice novas

[hoary scarab]

stack a bunch of pdr, use like 3 soul catchers

and life flask

[karmic gust]

this is what i id last time i tried to make voidforge build for example

[proud gorge]

I do like that we've got a bunch of vaal skill stuff nowadays

still makes a lot of the single-cast non-duration vaal skills difficult to use compared to the duration-based ones

[hoary scarab]

tbh all the vaal temptation builds ive seen are scaled like ass

[proud gorge]

but it's nice that they exist at least

I'm always happy to see more options

[karmic gust]

well they gave us all the vaal stuff mostly because all the vaal skills actually suck nowadays so they can

[proud gorge]

Vaal Flicker Strike remains one of the coolest skills in the game

and also one of the most complete ass

completely unusable bullshit

[hoary scarab]

just like flicker strike

[noble sleet]

What y’all think of Poe 2’s flicker strike?

[proud gorge]

too bad The Saviour specifies non-vaal attack

[karmic gust]

im surprised noone is bothering with vaal volcanic fissure tho

[hoary scarab]

its flicker strike with a different flavour

[proud gorge]

it'd be very fun to Saviour up a Vaal Flicker Strike

alas

[karmic gust]

thats like one of the better vaal skills since it came out but it was only usable briefly as actual build

[hoary scarab]

i was thinking about making a vaal reap spam PF, but then i started going through campaign again and quit

[karmic gust]

yea vaal reap is one of the shitty vaal skills that are just buff :d

so makes sense

[hoary scarab]

just sounds funny to have like 50 blood charges

with some quality scaling that can have some big potential

[cobalt blade]

huh i wouldnt think the extra max charges stack based on the wording

[bold kelp]

Isnt it just worded as +X to maximum blood charges during effect

Though idk if the buff itself you'd be able to get more than 1 of

[hoary scarab]

it just says "grants +4 maximum blood charges"

[cobalt blade]

ye it grants it as a buff though

[stable pumice]

Wording in this game is something else xD

[cobalt blade]

which i think it states in the green text bit

[stable pumice]

Same shit happens with generals cry (auto) + any automatic cry that where it says You warcry doesnt work automatically

[hoary scarab]

yeah, actually not sure if it stacks, someone told me it does but i havent bothered checking it

[worldly bridge]

40, not price checked BP's, 2 experimented BP's, 4 currency BP's, and all the temples ofc

is it time to cash out

i was stupid earlier and spent like 50d

[halcyon prawn]

vaal reap needs a buff

also, poe2 flicker strike SUCKS 😭

[worldly bridge]

poe2 flicker is better power wise i think

thematically it kinda feels off though

[halcyon prawn]

i mean like that

right from 0.1, it just didnt feel right

and i get what they were trying to do, but its like, whats next, will they butcher cyclone?

[worldly bridge]

cyclone will for sure have no phasing and also 75% less movement speed

[scarlet jacinth]

Finally cashing in on the alva's Mika?

[hoary scarab]

poe2 already has cyclone

[halcyon prawn]

not the same

[hoary scarab]

and its the legion version

[brave igloo]

Lmao, I was wondering why the price of 3p voices isn't going down and now I noticed that there are twice as many 1p voices on the market.

[hoary scarab]

current whirling assault is insane

[scarlet jacinth]

3p is used in quite a few builds right now, soo prices will reflect that

Funny, pal made a video on cyclone and acceleration belt.. belt went up 90div.. jesus

[brave igloo]

With the current development the market is going to run dry of 3p voices. There are only 35 left and it appears to be tending towards 0

[cloud pilot]

there are golem dudes every league it feels like

[scarlet jacinth]

Which means unid prices rise, which means more people run simu.. it'll even out eventually

[cloud pilot]

so yeah, it can work, but you may need to look up a guide eventually/get inspired by poe.ninja/etc.

[brisk vector]

Wow 8

I thought just my 4 was crazy

[cloud pilot]

it's usually ran on necro/elementalist I think, but hey

also since you said "templar" you are ascended,right fluffy

[karmic gust]

i remember it being meme, did they buffed it

[brave igloo]

Funnily enough unid prices have been rather stable at 8-9d recently (I checked those daily and wasted 100 div getting nothing already).

I'm unsure if the price is going to go up further as the 1p voices aren't going up because there is 76 ones and they are selling really slowly

[cloud pilot]

quick, invest in unid voices and make the gamblers go for it

cease belt gambling, embrace VOICES gambling, look at 3p voices prices!!!

[brave igloo]

Next fubgun big Gamba incoming?

[cloud pilot]

belt gambles are so terrible, but I approve of the ones doing it

nah, all good fluffy, I was just making sure you knew to ascend 🙂

[brave igloo]

Got extraordinary lucky Echoing Shrine Belt in 25 tries and have not gambled them since then.

[scarlet jacinth]

Best invest with acceleration belt, 1 palsteron video and boom +90div

[pulsar ice]

quin twink?

[brave igloo]

I mean my tooltip DPS is already in the negative

[bold kelp]

that is.... a build of all time

[scarlet jacinth]

That pathing looks funny as all hell

[stuck brook]

that path lookslike what i'd expect from CI EB templar

[bold kelp]

Im not entirely sure how you've gotten this far without dying a trememdous number of times

[brave igloo]

That's some really unique pathing and really whack xD

[bold kelp]

You are almost certainly going to brick yourself

You will reach a point where your golems will die or you will die to regular mobs.

[brave igloo]

Wait so I see 5 hybrid flask?

[scarlet jacinth]

Eh looks fine if its a belt build

Mine is 4x doedre 1x life

[stuck brook]

wait, why hybrid flask on CI ?

[proud gorge]

huh, weird, this guy's character disappeared off poe.ninja. I wonder if it's because he voided himself in softcore, because he deleted his character for some reason, or if he just didn't renew poe.ninja's access to his characters

[brave igloo]

4 doedre and 1 Mana flask for me.

[proud gorge]

I'm used to seeing builds disappear off the Hardcore ladder, but them disappearing off the softcore ladder is pretty uncommon

[bold kelp]

I just realised how much screams did on the price of mageblood/hh

[scarlet jacinth]

Why a mana flask?

[bold kelp]

Mageblood being 140 is abit yikes

[brave igloo]

Can also be private profile. Some people do weird things. Click on their profile to check out further.

[proud gorge]

ah yeah, they made their profile private

[worldly bridge]

from faustus trades, everything is listed in the merchant tab now i go to bed and wait for profit, most of the blueprints have already sold lol

[proud gorge]

strange

[brave igloo]

Because I'm blood magic and it's just to disable my RF for when I run some stupid -max res and reduced aura effect maps.

[proud gorge]

but yeah, maybe they're running hybrid flasks just because they look nice

I'm running a single completely pointless anti-bleed life flask even though I solved bleed ages ago

[brave igloo]

Aka I don't read Map mods and sometimes I will feel the wrath of my poor choices or something like that

[bold kelp]

How do you have a 6l heist staff? Is this ragebait?

This must be ragebait of some kind

MoM + CI, running 5 hybrid flasks and has a 6l heist staff

[proud gorge]

what do you mean, its a Battery Staff

[pliant hamlet]

It does exist

[proud gorge]

they're using it to spend ES on skills

[brave igloo]

Gz

[proud gorge]

or on that one skill anyways

[bold kelp]

While stacking mana.... using CI and MoM?

[proud gorge]

also for some flat ES on weapon probably

[bold kelp]

Im actually surprised you havent bricked yourself yet

I did not expect something like this to be able to survive anything.

[proud gorge]

what's wrong with that?

[bold kelp]

Mind over matter also only works on life btw

MoM doesnt interact with CI?

I'm protecting my 1 life?

[proud gorge]

I mean yeah, the MoM is weird

I just mean the battery staff is fine

[bold kelp]

yeah no just abit weird to have a 6l battery staff in acts

But I guess if it was 1c on trade then ye

It comes from side content. A league mechanic called heist.

It doesnt drop naturally

[scarlet jacinth]

Aah, u running jiquani?

[brave igloo]

Eblade

[ebon hatch]

chat, what would be good defense skill in addition to molten shell on a flicker build? can squeeze a few sockets… what would work best?

[icy zinc]

Lol i listed 4 merchant tabs full of rare jewels for 1 div and those that sold for 1 div WERE WAY pricier than i expected

3 did but at the expense of fast list

enabled filter to show em from strongboxes

[worldly bridge]

how i made 6 billion aclhemy per hour with this busted strat

[scarlet jacinth]

Same, im doing spark life stack

[icy zinc]

Requiring running alva but yeah locus supply is good

[scarlet jacinth]

Finally sold all the alva you were farming? Werent u doing simulacrum?

[haughty dirge]

Do maces have an increased ability to stun innately? im wondering if its worth using Endurance Charge on Melee Stun with an Axe???

[worldly bridge]

did enough sims for challenges

[icy zinc]

On other hand you can do betrayal safehouse and get medallions for 1800 chaos

[haughty dirge]

1 medallion in 20 safehouses last night

[worldly bridge]

im bad at betrayal

[haughty dirge]

then i didnt get a veiled exalt

wompwomp

[icy zinc]

Thats 6 templemmm

[icy zinc]

Unlucky

[brave igloo]

I do the new Shock Nova, I would do Spark if I got Accel + Massive Shrine but that's stupid expensive.

That's my build: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/nikidino8-2454/Niki_Mirages

[icy zinc]

Medals do drop more often from tier 3 leaders

In my experience

[scarlet jacinth]

Oh yea u do challenges.. any fancy stuff from them this league.

[worldly bridge]

endu on stun is good for the more damage multi

[icy zinc]

I could 3 medals from 8 safehouse

[worldly bridge]

people usualyl find endurance generation from other sour4ces

unless theyre doing something with stun, like heavy heavy phys or staves/maces

[haughty dirge]

Well, id be imbueing it on cyclone and tectonic slam of cata on a phys build that usually would use maces

[worldly bridge]

then its a good imbue

[icy zinc]

Endu composure + trauma lvl 1 in movement skill

[haughty dirge]

but with the new shockwave i can use axes

[oblique ember]

aaand we are rich

[worldly bridge]

im looking for it on my build because its more dmg and im playing ele hit lol

[brave igloo]

It's just a funny looking armour set you get this League

[worldly bridge]

checking

[scarlet jacinth]

Im doing it with just acceleration. Its not too bad, still at like 14k life~

[worldly bridge]

oh yeah its the regal orb armour

[hoary scarab]

it is pretty much legion cyclone now yes

[worldly bridge]

@scarlet jacinth

[icy zinc]

Hobo

[worldly bridge]

its actually a really cool armour

[scarlet jacinth]

Does look pretty fancg

Fanch

Fancy!! Aaah

[worldly bridge]

it also has a more blue version

[tranquil sedge]

shaper just paused my map turned it grey and gave some ominous dialogue, this is cool

[worldly bridge]

but theres videos for that

[brave igloo]

Gotta pump up those numbers!

Tho I did loose 4k HP because I changed into 3p voices for funny FF Shrine combination

[worldly bridge]

it happens every once and a while and i hate it

he just appears because of the voidstone i think

[tranquil sedge]

that makes sense

[scarlet jacinth]

Acc + massive is multi mirror

[tranquil sedge]

its really cool 😄

[brave igloo]

4 mirrors as of now, that's twice the amount my character is worth

[scarlet jacinth]

Hey @worldly bridge didn't you play chains of command.. i finally tried it, its pretty fun. And quite tanky

[tranquil sedge]

i know they're supposed to be chase but the prices are genuinely fucking wild

[worldly bridge]

youre prob think if eri?

i havent touched minions since tota league

[scarlet jacinth]

Was it eri? Huh could be.

[worldly bridge]

ive heard good thing though ium glad its working out

wawa

is eepy time for me

hopefully people buy my tmples

[scarlet jacinth]

Temple always sells

[brave igloo]

Currently I'm rocking Massive + Gloom and that Gloom is enough to almost clear a screen.

Some of the combinations a genuinely completely broken and I can understand that even if they are more common they'd still be priced at mirrors just because of how strong they are.

[tranquil sedge]

i see

for my knowledge how expensive are any of the 'good' belts? like even just 1 shrine versions?

[icy zinc]

https://youtube.com/shorts/pyGfcWWD97k?is=quDBibEzk-2_6CVY lmfao market control

155 trade tabs

Lists everything that falls on ground

[tranquil sedge]

this is so dumb look at his prices lmao

5c crap

[brave igloo]

Echoing alone is just around 200 div and slowly going down in price. That's the most expensive single one you can get.

Double Shrine is where it gets stupid expensive

[tranquil sedge]

complete waste of time

[icy zinc]

Yeah lol

[scarlet jacinth]

They called me crazy for having 20

[tranquil sedge]

oh
thats actually interesting then

thanks

i assume ppl using those single shrine versions too

[scarlet jacinth]

Echo was amazing for allot of builds acceleration is now going up partially cuz pal made a video on it for his build

[brave igloo]

For sure, especially Echoing, Diamond and Acceleration Shrine. Those alone are already pretty much build enabling.

[tranquil sedge]

gotcha

[scarlet jacinth]

Acc is 190 rn.. i bought mine for 95 yesterday..

[tranquil sedge]

ye saw that one

[brave igloo]

Oh god, that's one hell of a price explosion

[scarlet jacinth]

Psl video will do that

Pal*

[noble sleet]

Ohh man as soon as it gets two shrines, it skyrockets by like 10 fold lmao. I don’t think I’m ever gonna get an accel resistance one lol. That just might be the rarest of all rare items in poe.. this guy wanted like 777 mirrors on trade lmao.

[brave igloo]

In general YouTube content has some extreme influence on market. Like fubgun's 1k belt Gamba? Unid Shrines exploded in price.

[scarlet jacinth]

The mid league drop nerf to barya didn't help

[noble sleet]

I guess this is why people hate streamers lol. People blame them for everything lol. Builds getting nerfed market being exploited like with the temple tech in Poe 2, prices skyrocketing. The streamer influence is really hard lol

[tranquil sedge]

only stupid people hate streamers

streamers just bring things to public awareness

[scarlet jacinth]

I mean 190 div isn't horrible 8 hours of casual farming

[tranquil sedge]

-# more like 20h i'd say for casual farming

-# but still, for a 4 month league? yea thats nothing for a chase item

[brave igloo]

I mean it's not like you need them. That's like being mad that armour stacker or aura stacker take like a mirror to even start xD

[hollow junco]

Why isnt impending doom procing I have temp in my vixens and im casting despair I dont have plus one curse very confused pls help

[tranquil sedge]

streamers/content creators are also the same people putting out build guides, most people playing this game would just sit around dicks in hand without build guides, myself included

[scarlet jacinth]

I meant casual strats i mean stacked deck farming can do it in 8-10 if u stick to it

[noble sleet]

Meme

[scarlet jacinth]

So can essences

[tranquil sedge]

tried decks earlier i was getting half ur numbers

maybe i just did it badly

was fun tho

[scarlet jacinth]

Did it for idk about 6~ hours on the weekend at 2.5c per deck prices and averaged 18-22div an hour

[tranquil sedge]

got a bit bored of it so im doing harvest now

maybe i run something else after a day or two again

[tranquil sedge]

tips on deck farming?

i was running 8mod (non-deli) city squares, 5x cloister, tree specced for explicit mod, effect, map drops + boss map drops, ritual

[scarlet jacinth]

5x cloister, normal deck farming atlas with pack etc and ritual. Could be difference in build?

[tranquil sedge]

im playing flicker with enough dps to clear them with no trouble
maybe i just really went slow lol

[scarlet jacinth]

U got it all alright, i mean my atlas wasn't anything special

[tranquil sedge]

or i sucked at mathing the div/hr

ill give it another try sometime later then

[scarlet jacinth]

I was doing it on awor, so i could pick up while minions did clearing.

[tranquil sedge]

that might help a bit

ill try again later 😄

[finite quail]

Man

farming essences has gotten sooooooo boring

But its so profitable

[brave igloo]

Personally I think it's just a skill issue from being smooth brained. I think it's great that they can provide content on some borderline insane stuff but that's pretty much it.

Like do some good farming strats that you enjoy and slowly upgrade the build you are currently playing to make it more enjoyable.

Hell I don't even know how much div/h I make, I just run strats that I have fun and money accumulates until I check like 4 hours later if I can buy an upgrade.

[scarlet jacinth]

Oh also something, if u turn off your loot "z" u can click the glowing pile to pick up allot of nearby decks easier then just clicking said decks

[finite quail]

no xp, no quant, no gold, no tinks, just stable deafs and special essences

[hollow junco]

How to get impending doom to explode

[finite quail]

read it

[tranquil sedge]

I just run strats that I have fun and money accumulates until I check like 4 hours later
this alone would fix issues for like 95% of players who complain about making money

hideout is lava is truly the correct approach for most people

[hollow junco]

Im using it foulborj vixens

[finite quail]

oh no idea then

[scarlet jacinth]

I mainly do breach fortress cuz i love throwing graftblood and hoping for uniques..

[lucid kiln]

i second this

hive farming is my fav thing to do

[tranquil sedge]

ive not done any breach yet at all, since i skipped 3.27

maybe ill try eventually

[scarlet jacinth]

Not recommended i make between 1div to 80div an hour.

Usually the lower one

From breach and not counting random extra drops

[lucid kiln]

fun>efficiency

[scarlet jacinth]

Its still like 10div an hour from the extea shit

[tranquil sedge]

not for the div/hr

for the fun of it

its not like its negative money anyway

maybe just slower, which is fine

[scarlet jacinth]

Yep! Pray for the fun foulborns just cuz

[tranquil sedge]

im taking this league more casually coz i started 1.5 weeks late

[cosmic raptor]

how can i make this kboc build immune to reflect?
https://pobb.in/UR9ZGIFtxJhx

if someone can help me

[brave igloo]

I'm currently rotating constantly between doing Feared, Ubers, Nightmare Boss Rush, Breach and Delirium.

[split maple]

bench reflect instead of rarity on flask

[scarlet jacinth]

I farmed for my acc belt so i could do fun speed build.. the rest of my time is joking about.. hell i leveled a pathfinder just to try basic minion pact, after 1hr i quit.. stupid button heavy build

[cosmic raptor]

didnt know you can do that

🥲

[split maple]

used to be unveil-unlock mod so a lot of folks still dont know it 😄

[scarlet jacinth]

My biggest div/hr farm has been uber atziri for greater spell echo

[grim folio]

Does anyone know if Level 1 Cruelty can stack?
I rolled it on my slam of earthshaking with coin of power, and i also have it in "bitter-lash" saresh bloodline. Should i spec out of bitterlash?

[cosmic raptor]

you're a lifesaver, ty ty

[brave igloo]

And if you don't have enough time at hand to do that mindless farming stuff you might as well learn how to craft stuff and flip some on the side. A bit of passive income is pretty nice and can be a couple hundred of div if you have a decent initial investment.

[finite quail]

no it does not stack

just like putting two of the same support in one link group, it will not stack

the higher level version will be prioritized

Welp, back to farming essences for the next 10 maps

god this is gonna take so long

[drowsy eagle]

I've set a new record
2 builds in a single day xd

[split maple]

i would consider anointing split shot there btw

[fossil mural]

Bro

[cosmic raptor]

why?

[fossil mural]

How long have you been playing

And you dont know about flask reflect mod

😩

[cosmic raptor]

my 3rd league

[scarlet jacinth]

To be honest i keep forgetting reflect is a thing on flasks.. I'm almost 10k into this damn game

[split maple]

more explosions is your main single target scaler

like not taking one more where possible is weirdge to me

[finite quail]

god damn this herald effectis so bright

[split maple]

tho safeguard is rly nice node to get so

[fossil mural]

Now put mtx on it

[brave igloo]

Same, it's only been like 4 leagues until I had picked up that flask crafts are a thing and the crafts are pretty good xD

[cosmic raptor]

maybe this is more for bosses then and not needed in maps

[finite quail]

thats the mtx

[fossil mural]

Real mtx

[scarlet jacinth]

Not flashy enough! Change mtx

[remote dome]

Hey guys, what are some good builds that I can smash t16's for 20 div?

[fossil mural]

I saw pals or lances video recently

With some hoi mtx

And its literally

One explosion -> half the screen

[scarlet jacinth]

Animate weapon of ranged (my personal fav for low budget)

[split maple]

eh bleed slams and you have 19div left over

[finite quail]

ok

[scarlet jacinth]

Better

[fossil mural]

Meh

[brave igloo]

The automaton is the best hoi mtx

[remote dome]

might give it a look. I'm running dominating blow already so don't wanna rely on minions. Thank you

[remote dome]

cheap and cheapful i guess. I'll give it a look. Thank you!

[scarlet jacinth]

Eh you spawn them and they last 80seconds and they fire projectiles and aren't melee.

Melee minions is a meh to me too without enough invest into their speed

[remote dome]

they're quite zoomy now but on a tight hallway map like haunted mansion they're a bit dumb

[finite quail]

idk why I'm not hearing many shatters despite having more crit

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea awor definitely helps especially with ag alternative more explode setup (see helmbreaker on maxroll)

[fossil mural]

What was the thing that heals you from poison instead?

[finite quail]

tainted pact

[scarlet jacinth]

Tainted pact

[finite quail]

and its chaos damage

not specifically poison

[scarlet jacinth]

^^

[fossil mural]

Cant apply chaos dot on myself so doesnt matter

[grim folio]

so i should spec out of bitterlash, and go back to the normal ascendency?

[fossil mural]

Tainted pact + scolds + leech damage taken flask mod

Playable for sure

And then petr blood for overleech

[scarlet jacinth]

Who knows.. try it out

[fossil mural]

Unless there is a better way

[scarlet jacinth]

Maybe check poe.ninja with people using tainted, could check what they do for it

[fossil mural]

I wonder if there is a single person

Running this

I saw tainted pact builds

But they just make it so poison lasts as long as leech

Which is meh

[finite quail]

bruh tf going on

oh, attack block

[scarlet jacinth]

Frenzy sustain is also interesting

[fossil mural]

THERE IS ONE DUDE POG

[scarlet jacinth]

Unless thats ur mana i can't really tell on phone (whatever stops ur flicker)

[fossil mural]

And its not even a poison build

Actually wtf is this build

[finite quail]

what about it

[scarlet jacinth]

Single target not sustaining? Or was i mistaken on that?

[frigid wedge]

ive seen tainted pact done by just using cwc forbidden rite and a fast cyclone

[finite quail]

I should be at 100% chance to gain frenzy on hit

[frigid wedge]

bc u never need to end channel

[finite quail]

frenzy sustain wasnt the issue

it was the mob having attack block

[fossil mural]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mirage/character/Miraje-6669/Go_re_r?i=0&search=name%3DGo_re

[scarlet jacinth]

Ah Eri, question where u the one that played chains of command

[finite quail]

so I couldnt sustain mana from poachers mark

[frigid wedge]

just grab attack mastery for monsters cannot block

[brave igloo]

Time for block reduction gem!

[finite quail]

ik I just got it, remembered I got elevated strikes on my gloves so I'm dropping the +1 strikes mastery

[frigid wedge]

was alesia, glad the pair of us are easy to confused

[fossil mural]

Id rather get actual damage and play bv

[scarlet jacinth]

Oooh. Yea i couldn't make out the text on phone mb

[cosmic eagle]

guys, can you still summon your AG without using new items if you remove the gem and transfer it to a new item?

[scarlet jacinth]

Alesia! That was it my god i thought it was Mika at first

[finite quail]

I reaaaaaally need chill immunity tho this shit annoying as hell

[frigid wedge]

the build had a staff with cast when damage taken link for the actual main skill

[fossil mural]

Cwdt bv

[brave igloo]

Just get full ailment immunity

[scarlet jacinth]

Easy enough for me to confuse.. which i guess would be a good thing

[frigid condor]

Is there a RF equivalent to boss killing builds?
Boring, not the fastest but safe and gets shit done?

[fossil mural]

Sounds like a lot of trouble

[frigid wedge]

floris there is no fuckin way u just got confused between 3 different trans women out of everyone in this server

[livid quarry]

bleed boneshatter?

[fossil mural]

Its rf?

[frigid wedge]

h o w

[brave igloo]

Boss killing? Just get a miner to insta kill the bosses

[livid quarry]

its what ben uses

in HC

[finite quail]

not possible

[scarlet jacinth]

Erm.. i don't have a good answer

[finite quail]

trans women harem

[frigid condor]

Ye before it got killed I always played RF and hexblast miner, they were the perfect team :'(

[frigid condor]

Will have a look, thx!

[brave igloo]

What boots are you rocking then?

[finite quail]

darkray vectors rn

Later I'll swap to tailwind elusive onslaught boots probably

[brave igloo]

Oh well

[finite quail]

once I get the currency to craft em

[noble sleet]

How much are unidentified shrine belts? You think I can get big gambles on them? I might hit that double accel roll lol

[finite quail]

check it yourself bro

[royal storm]

Hm... Pathfinder's Master Distiller + Sacred Chalice for ~90% (up to 120%) of physical damage as extra elemental damage and 37% of physical damage as extra chaos damage
Or Desecrated Chalice for up to 112% phys as extra chaos?

[noble sleet]

Seeing if anyone knew off the top of their head, didn’t wanna check right now as I’m away

[finite quail]

mmm

like over 1k chaos

last time I saw

[brave igloo]

Ok, no space for 2 jewel slots and avoid shock on flask?

[finite quail]

no flasks

no jewel slots either

[fossil mural]

Self chill body

[cobalt mirage]

Any gamer know if i get the 3rd ring ascendancy, can i have 2 kalandra's touch to mirror 1 ring? Or the second kalandra wouldn t work?

[fossil mural]

[finite quail]

taken up by ff, elegant hubris, veterans awareness, megalo and a couple res/crit jewel

[finite quail]

wont work

[cobalt mirage]

Fuk thanksss

Gotta mirror another ring

[finite quail]

I could potentially get complete ele ailment avoidance

but it'd be 8 points that I do not have rn

[fossil mural]

Sounds likea

[short prairie]

ships are insane

[fossil mural]

A bad

Build

[brave igloo]

Ahhh, I see you are using the Shrine Belt. Got confused because of the tincture xD

Then you really just have the option of getting reduced chill effect on rare jewels until you get your double elevated boots wiith I think crafted 100% avoid chill?

[cosmic raptor]

it doesnt have 50k phys max?

[finite quail]

I might do that potentially

sacrifice some of the dps to get chill to fuck off

[brave igloo]

Yeah makes it much more enjoyable to play

[onyx adder]

Not necessary unless ur running simu

[brave igloo]

Altars are going to fuck you up tho.

[finite quail]

exarch altars like to scorch hard

[onyx adder]

Ppl bend themselves in knots getting full ailment immunity all the time then never do any content that needs it

[finite quail]

And I'm basically at 75 75 75 res

Not sure, I'll have to see

[onyx adder]

Scorch isnt that scary unless u have literally no overcap

[karmic gust]

you can just do this if you just want chill

[onyx adder]

U would typically be able to overcap more easily than to get scorch immune

[royal storm]

Impale Bow seems interesting?

[finite quail]

thats what I'm saying

I have no overcap

almost none

[surreal musk]

tempest shield+brine king+avoid chill boots craft yep

[onyx adder]

Yea but if its gonna take u 1 billion points to get scorch immune

[finite quail]

no mana for tempest shield

[onyx adder]

Instead use a small amount of that

And overcap

[finite quail]

Guess I'll just avoid scorch altars kek

I just mainly dont wanna get slowed down or frozen

thats my biggest issue rn

[fossil mural]

Maybe with 5end charges and ic

[brave igloo]

If you have some league starter build sure but when you max out a character it's really not ideal to waste suffixes on resistances.

[onyx adder]

Brine king + 1 ring suffix gets u chill immune if u arent running double precursors

[onyx adder]

Bro

The alternative is eight passive points apparently

[finite quail]

nvm found the fix that I needed

[brave igloo]

I mean it's flicker, what do you expect? XD

[onyx adder]

If i can use one suffix and overcap enough that scorch only kills me occasionally thats so much better than giving up 30% dps from the 8 passives or whatever else i could do

[finite quail]

Now I just need merveil captured and I'm chilling

[onyx adder]

Oh u have spare jewel slots

Why didnt u say so lul

[cosmic raptor]

mmm, nice font

[fossil mural]

Guard skills dont cooldown if you have second wind right

[finite quail]

I don't

I'm replacing one

[karmic gust]

second wind is non instant only

[finite quail]

Apparently one of my jewels only has speed, crit and damage on it

so thats getting replaced

[brave igloo]

Tbh, scorch really isn't that big of an issue, the 20% less damage from sap is more annoying

[onyx adder]

Thats better than eight passives but probably worse than one gear suffix

I mean i dont think any of them are serious issues outside of simu

But if u wanna do it