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[scarlet jacinth]

Starting blight into destructive play myself

[split maple]

so what we slapping into second safehouse

[modest depot]

idk im probably spamming random safehouse

[split maple]

riker + cadibro research and idk rly

[modest depot]

rin

she gives trapped stash with scarabs

and 2nd research member has always been ass so atleast that has some value

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/tMgSxs2lxm_w

what about this

[frigid wedge]

the second i have originator voidstone im finding the most expensive exceptional gem and spamming its map

[split maple]

rin or maybe rin in fort for ez unique map prog 🤔

[frigid wedge]

or silo

[modest depot]

unique maps are like useless now no

[karmic gust]

oh forgot to click life mastery

omg

[undone gazelle]

It that fled for unique foulborns

[split maple]

still need to do 10 or so

[cosmic eagle]

Since breach and syndicate are so close together farming veiled items + unstable or hive is super nice, and also no more kirac nodes tons of points to spare for idk maybe the astrolabe cluster node

[split maple]

• metacrafts

[karmic gust]

but yea

[modest depot]

yeah i'd just random drop them

[split maple]

still in putrid and cowars

[leaden quiver]

hive > unstable

[modest depot]

maybe you have to do it in ssf because kirac missions are gone

[modest fractal]

Hello Friends, very hyped for next league 🙂

[leaden quiver]

u just do both and ur CHILLING

[undone gazelle]

5/5 nightmare carries are gonna be profitable if you're fast enough

[cosmic eagle]

Im leaning heavily to hive but but unstable nodes are super juicy too so depends which 1 will not rekt my ass

[karmic gust]

also use anathema for curses

[frigid wedge]

i gotta fix my crit

[hexed mountain]

yeah just checked and changed the asc points : no tincture warden lolcohol pob : 500K under avatar , tincture : 800K perma

its indeed just bad

260K when not under avatar , casually 1/3 of the damage with a non-troll choice of asc

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/vCcB_DxM9sPh ok like this @hoary scarab

[brazen vector]

Ill play tornado shot

[cosmic eagle]

A fubgooner

[slow niche]

i just realized i never played with this before, is it anything?

is it good for gold farming?

[hexed mountain]

used to be decent , its bad for gold

[split maple]

its rly niche but if you can get enough quant from altars its allright for unique farm

idk if anyone used it since rogue exile nerfs tho

[hexed mountain]

exceptional exile farm surely

[frigid wedge]

wha

[hoary scarab]

hmm that does look better yea

thanks

[brazen vector]

me a fubgooner? never

I gooned ever since before fubgoon was even born

[frigid wedge]

thought u were gonna do anime

[cosmic eagle]

He playing ts i believe

[frigid wedge]

who? fubgun?

[brazen vector]

what kind

[cosmic eagle]

Yea he was practicing last night

[scarlet jacinth]

Weren't u playing animate weapon Alesia?

[cosmic eagle]

Deadeye ofc

[hoary scarab]

cant believe how problematic accuracy is ngl

[karmic gust]

it can for sure be optimized more as well i think you have some block remnants

yea accu is pain

[brazen vector]

a good, I play str/acc jugg tonado shot

[frigid wedge]

guess i get gear competition

for stuff

[karmic gust]

can just get some on helmet and gloves and shit i guess

[hoary scarab]

im unsure about the accuracy at close range stuff for clear

[hexed mountain]

i think i'm going to be leveling KF gems in offhand and try to hit sacred wisp while playing my leaguestarter

[karmic gust]

yea i clicked it just temporarily

i dont think its actually good

just the accu per level and then fix rest on gear

[frigid wedge]

thats very left field

[hexed mountain]

sacred wisp level 1 being 40% more damage is just unethical

[scarlet jacinth]

I am not looking forward to having to figure out what boss drops what exceptional gem

[fossil mural]

Damn libs

[frigid wedge]

i definitely gonna have the superior ts deadeye

[karmic gust]

also slap bismuth there

so gearing is ez

[frigid wedge]

what

[karmic gust]

then you can do whatever with suffixes

[fossil mural]

For me its more about hit count

[hoary scarab]

yeah, but i would prolly drop anathemas, cant get lvl 1 despair with 2 unique rings

[frigid wedge]

thats not

[hoary scarab]

and self casting is uhh

[frigid wedge]

thats not what out of left field means

[brazen vector]

life is about getting out of your comfort zone and I get to play RF first on a chieftain uwu

[hexed mountain]

ofc its very nice to hit faster , but i mean that sacred wisp basically gets the same level 1 and 20 which is insane

[karmic gust]

well you just arcanist it for single right

[fossil mural]

Left field -> leftists -> liberals

[karmic gust]

its probs not super important for clear

when your damage doubled otherwise

[hexed mountain]

it means that you can basically 6L KF in your thunderfist

[cosmic eagle]

Deadeye login

[hoary scarab]

true

[frigid wedge]

θωθ noωo rf

[tawdry olive]

its gonna work :cope

inb4
> league start
> scaling AOE also scales cascade distance between each other

[fossil mural]

All of that

For a drop of blood

[hoary scarab]

thats a bit optimistic kek

[karmic gust]

and you can also always just do asenaths on top for clear i guess

[fossil mural]

This is 99% the case

[karmic gust]

ah yes the kinetic rain optimism at it again

surely will be good idea

[cosmic eagle]

Do you use bows if you play kb deadeye?

[fossil mural]

Surely

[hexed mountain]

you trying to sweet spot your holy hammer , meanwhile the soul eater rare who chases you like he's max verstapen :

[limpid prairie]

Looking at this
Shouldn't you aim to the side so the triple overlap is 'in front'

[hoary scarab]

true that might be better than blasphemy

[stoic horizon]

you use swords obviously

[frigid wedge]

he may finish acts first but i will be 8x faster through exclusively strand and silo maps

:D

[hoary scarab]

i mainly want the 25% more poison duration from it anyways

altho slowing nearby enemies is comfortable for a strike build

[cosmic eagle]

He will die in the cave again trying to skip

[frigid wedge]

i will die constantly until and even after the build is online dw

who needs survivability when im at the boss room before mob projectiles reach where i was standing

[cosmic eagle]

Bow builds popping off this league

[fossil mural]

Wyvern wing ftw

[scarlet jacinth]

The boss will be too confused to even hit you

[frigid wedge]

ecactly, this is the way

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-one-punch-man-serious-sideways-jump-gif-13971720

[scarlet jacinth]

I kinda want repeater shrine flicker strike bullshit

[frigid wedge]

circle jumps

[fossil mural]

Who doesnt

[scarlet jacinth]

With! Screenshake enabled

[fossil mural]

Lmao thats too far

[scarlet jacinth]

Weakness

[cosmic eagle]

Damn bro likes to play while puking

[fossil mural]

Gamer chairs now come with puke buckets too

[frigid wedge]

floris u make ur flicker, i make my tshit and whoever manages the most maps before we get dizzy gets 5d

week 2

xD

[fossil mural]

Need to afford repeater shrine week 2

First

[scarlet jacinth]

Pfft time for flicker coc frostblink wintry with soul eater

[hexed mountain]

farm it

[frigid wedge]

you fool! i dont need your pathetic shrines

[fossil mural]

Its weighted

[cosmic eagle]

Gonna farm the fragment and farm the boss

[fossil mural]

Good luck

[hexed mountain]

farm faster

[scarlet jacinth]

When did they say it was weighted?

[stoic horizon]

obviously its moonbender trauma stack flicker time

[frigid wedge]

ok maybe I need a diamond shrine...

[hexed mountain]

are the mobs dying?

[frigid wedge]

he did that in settlers

[scarlet jacinth]

Needs soul eater and repeater cuz funny

[frigid wedge]

dont tempt him

[fossil mural]

Nice tree bump

[signal hawk]

I'll have a tooth extraction on league start goddamn

[hexed mountain]

deserved for having teeth

[frigid wedge]

yeah theres a lot of that

if i accidentally put my cursor too close to a tanky mob i get stuck until it dies

[scarlet jacinth]

Tree will provide for my stupid builds!

[stoic horizon]

yeah true gamers only have their gums left

[frigid wedge]

bc the lwarp auto targets

onto it

xD

[hexed mountain]

you dont need teeth to drink dr pepper

[stoic horizon]

real

[slow niche]

kinda love the new atlas tree ngl

[hexed mountain]

also no teeth = no brushing = 5 min to farm each time

where you got it sir?

[normal hedge]

path of pathing

[cosmic eagle]

No kirac nodes made the tree somewhat more open to actually rush your content

[slow niche]

https://www.pathofpathing.com

[hexed mountain]

didnt know that website

[fossil mural]

Yea actual things on atlas

[hexed mountain]

thanks

[fossil mural]

Instead of ssf support

[normal hedge]

it's really good, I always use it when I'm doing my atlas, lily is the owner

[hexed mountain]

time to check every node one by one to see the difference

[slow niche]

ds lily?

[cosmic eagle]

Yeah i just realized how stale the atlas were past leagues with kirac in it, always makes me go to the middle for the maps and missions

[tawdry olive]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/tree-version-history?type=atlas
this does it for you btw

[hexed mountain]

pretty

ty

[slow niche]

not that pretty

[normal hedge]

No, lily the ggg employee that is always around in this chat

[hexed mountain]

we need one more mechanic to block

[slow niche]

oh

[fossil mural]

Beasts

[tawdry olive]

im kinda at a lost how to start the atlas this time. am i actually gonna put mechanics on there

[leaden quiver]

easy leaguestart tree

[tawdry olive]

Kirac where are you, i need you

[cosmic eagle]

You will have tons of points to block everything

[scarlet jacinth]

Got to love how the astrolobe one map node is all the way in the top

[leaden quiver]

with some points missing because leaguestart

[normal hedge]

Jun and breach are really close

[leaden quiver]

yeah you just jun + breach + get more scarabs

[scarlet jacinth]

Jun breach speedrun time

[leaden quiver]

and ur gucci

[signal hawk]

Kirac retired

[fossil mural]

Why arent you putting points into memories? They are itemized now

[normal hedge]

Kinda wanna click the hive node right away to see how bad the loot gonna be

[cosmic eagle]

Yeah jun and breach might be the way this league, jun for veiled gears for your build then breach for money, astrolabe if you have tons of extra points

[leaden quiver]

still 8 more points

can put them into memories

i might also forgo exarch and just go maven if the new droprates are too generous for gcp

[dark grove]

Runegraft of the imbued. Ayo perhaps higher lvl imbues

[signal hawk]

Idk what I will do this league on endgame

[slow niche]

more time to collapse=more monsters to kill=more loot?

[signal hawk]

Maybe just lots of harvest

[fossil mural]

Depends on how good the new currency is

[leaden quiver]

saresh ascendancy kinda cool, with imbues you can get a 9link weapon now xd and that asc

but the problem is xddd 1 chance to bleed is only 10% more damage

[normal hedge]

where's the blob keystone? Can't find it

oh on topside

[slow niche]

maybe take it for the bleed crit nodes

[frigid wedge]

the blob?

[cosmic eagle]

Astrolabe cluster shit

[normal hedge]

The astrolabe one

[leaden quiver]

this is in the topmost wheel

[cosmic eagle]

You spam 1 map and other map will collapse instead

[normal hedge]

That you run the same map

[scarlet jacinth]

Top middle

[leaden quiver]

this keystone has a downside though

read the flavor text

[normal hedge]

Yeah

[leaden quiver]

the last sentence

[frigid wedge]

oh nice

what was the actual point of the regions again?

[cosmic eagle]

Just remove the node if the blob is a long line sequence else it dont matter

[normal hedge]

idk the actual point

[scarlet jacinth]

Its 1 mod related to what mechanic you do, like 1 strongbox extra open chance etc

[golden hollow]

/deathbeams-pobs

Nooo

[normal hedge]

It's !

[cosmic eagle]

Octavian was geeking on this during q and a, this node is super good if the blob is super clustered

[golden hollow]

ty

[stoic horizon]

you place the blob, completing a map adds bonuses related to the blob to all remaining maps, if you cut off the blob into 2 parts the smaller one vanishes

[frigid wedge]

ok but do they actually do anything relevant

[stoic horizon]

they target juice league mechanics

[scarlet jacinth]

There is also a vault with loot after finishing all

[normal hedge]

not a big fan of having to check every map 🥀

[frigid wedge]

ah

[opal ingot]

ill clear all the shit maps for you

so u can run the last juicy one

[normal hedge]

Thanks king u're the best

[opal ingot]

in exchange, i will take 80% of your profit

[stoic horizon]

thats why you run the keystone

[floral star]

just run the keystone and vibe

[normal hedge]

90% and deal

[stoic horizon]

no need to run every map, just monka one

[final owl]

keisters and blobs

[normal hedge]

yeah I know

[cosmic eagle]

Gonna put the blob always on the map you like to run like arsenal

[stoic horizon]

although that keystone can accidentally reduce the juice

[frigid wedge]

why do you want less of the currency ur making

[charred hornet]

Reduce the juice...atleast the map run is comfy

[cosmic eagle]

As if this league has juice

[stoic horizon]

right no water on desert = no juice

[frigid wedge]

has more than the last 2

[karmic gust]

it def doesnt have more than mercs

[opal ingot]

really hope we get fun endgame strats

[stoic horizon]

tbh we dont know how powerful the astrolabes can be

[frigid wedge]

merc juice was literally just player quant and strats that weren't bad prior

[cosmic eagle]

Wait till he realize he only getting currency because mark adjusted the currency drops only

[brisk sinew]

Are the new trees available somewhere yet?

[karmic gust]

also pre nerf blight and alva and breach e.g actual endgame strats :d

[split maple]

poedb and pathofpathing

[stoic horizon]

7 wisdom scrolls per map now log in

[hoary scarab]

god i fucking hate poison crit design

holy shit

why does it have to be so anti synergy

[split maple]

i am going to refrain from even comparing juice level of mirage and keepers until someone figures out scarb farm that self sustains 😛

[karmic gust]

like both alva and breach were new in mercs

[hexed mountain]

damn 50% chance to drop an additional wombgift is enormous

[karmic gust]

because evo shrine got buffed

so it literarlly only lasted in mercs :d

[split maple]

harbs gone worries me a tad, while there is no rly more explicit effect on tree and i dunno how much new stuff compensates

[frigid wedge]

i still don't get why the balancing philosophy rn is nerf everything until the shit stuff feels viable without actually getting more effective

[cosmic eagle]

Mark playing with the playerbase feelings, doubling currency drop rate that means scrolls will fill your inv every map

[hexed mountain]

synthesized stability is a 5 pointer FF go next

[split maple]

didnt they say currency adjustment didnt include scrolls

[karmic gust]

gotta make alch and go mappers happy

[stoic horizon]

tbf i think they did specify scrolls are not included

[opal ingot]

its gonna be raining exalts 🥹

[karmic gust]

well its mostly just PA being designed badly

like on most poison crit setups that arent specifically nightblade you are better off not clicking PA

[split maple]

hopefully annuls dont have too low drop rate too

[karmic gust]

and just clicking the dot multi crit nodes

[hexed mountain]

wow , is twist of fate legit just insane now? free reroll on all the bad 8mod you have without getting a shit layout

[split maple]

and give me enough divs to not need to run ulti

[opal ingot]

i prau

[split maple]

twist of fate rerolling map was kinda handy for citadels

[hoary scarab]

yeah and then you are also better off just not going crit atall

[karmic gust]

yea

and then you end up playing EO assassin because its still good damage :d

[hoary scarab]

Q_Q

[opal ingot]

mmeh

[cosmic eagle]

Holy!!! Transmutation orbs loot explosion?

[karmic gust]

im not even memeing its like the best assa setup anyway

[opal ingot]

i dont want to open a map and check the lines if it's bad

[hoary scarab]

i genuinly want an assassin revert

this rework made it genuinly worse

[karmic gust]

you just go for th eduration and all damage can poison and thats it

[hexed mountain]

no , i mean you spec twist of fate when you run all your ele reflect , no regen etc to change the mods and now it doesnt force you into a pissbad layout 50% of the time

[karmic gust]

well it went from being played by ice trappers only to nobody playing it

same same :d

[true flower]

if the only assassin player is asking for it then GGG should listen

[hoary scarab]

ive been a poison assassin main since 3.4 Q_Q

[stoic horizon]

poison bv was the shit

[opal ingot]

my statements hinge on the fact that 8mod maps that i liked were 2-3c at the time. idk how expensive they are early in the league though. 8c? yeah worth doing that.

[hoary scarab]

assassin is literally just a coc ascendency now, everything else is just meh

[cosmic eagle]

Jung interview later boys will he snitch about the belt? Will he snitch on builds?

[karmic gust]

is there anythin left to snitch about the belt they already started nerfing all the shrines

[final owl]

they already looking hard at shrines. what can he do

[stoic horizon]

he will snitch on static strike gc prob

[hoary scarab]

not my static strike

[cosmic eagle]

Bro gonna kill 1 build before the league start

[final owl]

if he smort, he's cooking an interaction he isn't gonna mention. is he ever smart?

[karmic gust]

what does static strike gc even do, just durartion scaling and it finishes doing whatever?

[hoary scarab]

static strike of gc is literally just lightning wild strike with better scaling

[stoic horizon]

it basically leaves a blob that zaps nearby enemies

[limpid prairie]

They attack they lie in the ground and keep the beams around them

[karmic gust]

vaal lightning strike at home

[hoary scarab]

oh wait gen cry

yea

[karmic gust]

thats pretty funny ngl sounds strong

[limpid prairie]

Literally x5 DMG OP invest today

Don't think about corposes

[hoary scarab]

yeah they just leave their static when the disappear

[stoic horizon]

and you dont really want to autoexert it cuz you dont benefit drom warcry cdr

[hoary scarab]

its mainly just bossing tech isnt it

[karmic gust]

why dont you benefit

cant you go overthe number of mirages

[stoic horizon]

cuz blobs get overwritten

[karmic gust]

ah rip

so not strrong

just more afk

i thought you could stack them :d

i guess thatwould be too broken

[stoic horizon]

stacking would be extremally op

howlcrack + duration scaling

[karmic gust]

yea

well you wouldnt even need howlcrack just duration scaling

[stoic horizon]

howl lets you spam more ig

[limber lance]

anyone knows if Exile UI violates ToS`?

[hoary scarab]

wait isnt that static strike stuff a buff? how are the mirages even getting that

[stoic horizon]

but yeah gc doesnt have a long cd anyway

[stoic horizon]

they like to be funky like that, technically they also get your charges so them not being able to get buffs is like half true

[slow niche]

what was that map that's a back and forth and it's best for Destructive play? was it silo?

[limpid prairie]

They gave static strike 33% more duration very nice QOL

[stoic horizon]

yes

[cosmic eagle]

Silo

[slow niche]

thanks guys

[opal ingot]

ure welcome

[stoic horizon]

and beam range i think

surely static strike void shockwave strstack login

[karmic gust]

static strike void shockwave penance mark

[silk scroll]

what does that means

[karmic gust]

[cosmic eagle]

Cyclone void shockwave

[stoic horizon]

yesterday you guys told me penance mark not gut for it

[karmic gust]

well i forgot that you can just link it to skill thats already good wth penance

and then its just free

[stoic horizon]

also isnt penance kinda a no go for str stack?

cuz ring is valuable af

[karmic gust]

well you still gain more damage from penance than not

[thick ocean]

does this reduce currency drops or has that no effect on currency?

[karmic gust]

but also you dont rly need to go str stack at that point either

as you have enough damage

[hoary scarab]

quantity = more currency drops

so yes, it reduces currency drops

[thick ocean]

ty

[stoic horizon]

oh we can go axes, so lock in gray wind

[molten hazel]

i wonder how good rarity stacking is in this league if they buffed ground currency drops

[hoary scarab]

ground currency drops isnt affected

[split maple]

rarity doesnt mater for currency

excessive rarity stacking is even bad for it

[hoary scarab]

but they made currency convert from rares more common, wich is dependant on rarity

[karmic gust]

well it does if they made conversion mobs more common

yea

[dark grove]

No armor set challenges reward

LOGIN

[molten hazel]

what coooleen said

[hoary scarab]

i was thinking about running a rarity stacker golden charlatan build

but meh

[molten hazel]

as you said it is effectively buffed indirectly XD

[hoary scarab]

gotta see how much more common that convert is

[split maple]

convert mods are mostly a whole load of alts though

[hoary scarab]

imma be prolly just running essence mobs early league, i bet the mirage essence are gonna be decent price

[molten hazel]

i have a feeling gold wont be a problem this league so running kingsmarch wont be such a chore

[hexed mountain]

i guess you might as well take the path not taken on your first atlas when completing it since you'll run every map once

[hoary scarab]

well i still dont know what im gonna league start, really torn between guardian and assassin

[hexed mountain]

just a x2 div card

[molten hazel]

any love for minion or cyclone ?

[hoary scarab]

theres a bunch

cyclone meh tho

[molten hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzwpjbBxpMM not meh very fun XD

[hoary scarab]

im thinking holy strike guardian tho

[hoary scarab]

yeah 60 phantasms looks funny

[molten hazel]

spin to summon your army

[stoic horizon]

stealing my ideas smhmh

[hoary scarab]

idead

[stoic horizon]

yes udead

[hoary scarab]

wedead

[stoic horizon]

[fossil mural]

Cant wait for rarity stacking

[stoic horizon]

bet empy will use it to drop 3 mirrors from a mob

[karmic gust]

im either starting crema slinger assa or sabo miner with some shit

either way im rerolling to mana miner later

[fossil mural]

Charlatan is so nerfed because mirage is a loading screen

[molten hazel]

i have a feeling holy strike might be bait but i hope not cuss i kind of wanna make it my second build when i have made my currency from spinning up my minions XD

[stoic horizon]

miner on actual sabo? crazy

[fossil mural]

What do you throw with mines

[karmic gust]

magma orb

[hoary scarab]

it honestly looks like an insane bosser, its like 4k DE of your weapon

[fossil mural]

Or not

[somber sundial]

So it just

Shockwave?

[fossil mural]

With damage

[leaden quiver]

better

[karmic gust]

yea if shockwave was twice as good

[fossil mural]

And clear

[hoary scarab]

the problem is just that you gotta stack clusters, wich sucks for league start

[leaden quiver]

more damage, chains

[somber sundial]

Is it more powerful?

[karmic gust]

by a lot yes

[fossil mural]

[somber sundial]

Oh

Holy

Can you use both

[hoary scarab]

no, its unholy

[fossil mural]

No its void

[molten hazel]

much better shockwave lol

[somber sundial]

Hell yeah

[karmic gust]

good question :d

[somber sundial]

What happens if I use it on my standard cyclone of tumult with Atziri disfavour

I wonder how Beeg the AoE will be

[molten hazel]

shit dies faster

[karmic gust]

i assume not as this is basically greater shockwave but no clue

[stoic horizon]

you deal no damage because disfavour

[molten hazel]

not much help in bossing but awesome for any clearing content

[somber sundial]

I deal damage, just not as much

I love the AoE

[stoic horizon]

i think they did mention you cant stack greaters with base versions

[fossil mural]

Still adds 450 de attack

[karmic gust]

the quality on it is useless so not much

[somber sundial]

Wdym

[karmic gust]

on shockwave itself

[somber sundial]

Quality of the support gems?

Oh

[karmic gust]

yes

[somber sundial]

Nonono I mean

Like I’m using atziri bc it has +1 meter

For cyclone

[molten hazel]

yer its slightly better but not compared to using it for map clearing

[karmic gust]

ah, sure

[somber sundial]

Bc Beeg

Yea

It’s not optimal, it just looks satisfying

[karmic gust]

yea but its not obviously actual greater version :d

even though it probably is

confusing rules when they just name stuff randomly right

[stoic horizon]

arent like half of greater gems renamed in some way

[somber sundial]

Yea

[karmic gust]

well there are bunc that are just called greater

[stoic horizon]

like hextoad is cursed ground

[molten hazel]

i have a feeling void shockwave is gonna be hella expensive

[karmic gust]

and for rest you cant rly tell

as its not written on gem anywhere right

that its greater version

[onyx zephyr]

Any of you know if there is a Stash-tab Sale this weekend

[somber sundial]

Eclipse support seems cool

[golden hollow]

!deathbeam-builds

[stoic horizon]

[golden hollow]

!deathbeams-pobs

[karmic gust]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125

it worked!

[golden hollow]

🤔

[stoic horizon]

the bot works wohoo

[golden hollow]

ty bot

now that im here

@autumn thunder

ty

[karmic gust]

no hepta spins for league start wtf

useless

[golden hollow]

the guy was good about one thing

[soft perch]

@autumn thunder spin

[golden hollow]

whats the use of him now even

[onyx zephyr]

Anybuddy knows if there is a Stash Sale coming this weekend, or when the last stash sale was

[golden hollow]

i been gone a league

and i see non poison builds from deathbeam

how fast times change

[stoic horizon]

world is ending

[hexed mountain]

damn didnt see but pledge actually gets 100% inc mana now on a good roll

[karmic gust]

poedb

[hexed mountain]

that's pretty huge

[blazing nymph]

Stash sales are always the weekend after a league launch

[onyx zephyr]

ouch, then i guess i need to buy full price

[somber sundial]

I swear if invention support is just making totems rise faster

I’m gonna laugh

[molten hazel]

[leaden quiver]

is it really

[sterile depot]

Does actionspeed work for MS if you are wearing stampede?

[hexed mountain]

yeah its 50-100 now instead of 50

[leaden quiver]

yeah but does it make the item worth using

[crisp obsidian]

I just saw the notes on mamba

[hexed mountain]

(and greater echo)

[leaden quiver]

consdiering u lose flat mana, +levels etc

[crisp obsidian]

Holy what have you done

[molten hazel]

yes actionspeed overrules anything else

[thick ocean]

does quant work in t17 maps to get more fragments form the boss or is it random?

[hexed mountain]

• level is irrelevant

if you play archmage

[sterile depot]

Okay new accel shrine belt + stampede + cyclone of tumult lock in

[molten hazel]

if you can afford the belt XD

https://tenor.com/view/this-smells-expensive-robin-james-the-scent-smells-expensive-it-smells-rich-gif-24817596

[stoic horizon]

it only force sets your movement speed to 150%, action speed still applies

[somber sundial]

How do you figure that

[astral shadow]

T17 maps are legacy now, called "nightmare" maps and t16 difficulty now, and fragment drops 1-3 randomly no quant dependent

[somber sundial]

Mfw I reply wrong thing

[molten hazel]

bruh its clear as day that the belt is gonna be at least as expensive as a mageblood

[somber sundial]

It’s BEYBLADDEEEEE

[somber sundial]

I meant to reply to something else, mb

[sterile depot]

Zoomzoom

[molten hazel]

[fossil mural]

Dumbest change tbh

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-beyblade-g-revolution-beyblade-hms-dragoon-ms-beyblade-beyblade-launch-gif-3823495161081532780

[fossil mural]

I guess now at least its hard locked

[astral shadow]

Its good for fragment farmers tbh, lowering difficulty so more fragments/hr

[fossil mural]

That aint how it works

Just make a build that doesnt suck

[fossil mural]

I wonder what chance nightmare have to drop

[hexed mountain]

yeah its dumb that more quant =/= more frags

[scarlet jacinth]

What modifiers did we have to increase chance for nightmare maps?

[hexed mountain]

higher than T17 i think since they changed additional map to %inc map drops

[fossil mural]

T17 benefited from map equity or whatever

[astral shadow]

Well im not sure how big a difference lvl83 and lvl84 area is, but they also removed nasty mods

[fossil mural]

And then you would get less chance to drop for each t17 you got in a map

[scarlet jacinth]

I meant the odds of us getting a nightmare map.

[final owl]

most but not all. i forget which obnoxious ones stayed

[hexed mountain]

i expect nightmare maps to be barely harder than T16.5

[fossil mural]

Its on the voidstones

[scarlet jacinth]

Ah just there. Mmhm alright then

[stoic horizon]

voidstones and any map drop boost will contribute to nightnare maps

[astral shadow]

T16.5 scoured was not harder than normal t16 maps scoured, only difference is the difficulty of mods but since they removed most of bad t17 mods that also applies to 16.5 maps it will be way way easier, so bad builds will farm it easily

[scarlet jacinth]

Are they a physical map? Or just convert whatever map u wanted todo

[stoic horizon]

tbh the maps also have originator packs which hurt if you have bad chaos res

[molten hazel]

maven void stone is a must since it allows for the new gems to drop

[fossil mural]

Elaborate

[stoic horizon]

they are their own thing

[scarlet jacinth]

The nightmare maps. Are they like t17s an actual dropped item. Or is it done differently

[fossil mural]

Yes its an actual map

[final owl]

so like t17 they still not on atlas yes

[stoic horizon]

dropped item ofc

[fossil mural]

Which you can use on any of the layouts

[final owl]

so can't be affected by astrolabe stuff?

[scarlet jacinth]

Remember the new gems drop from SPECIFIC atlas bosses.. soo no farming 1 map

[fossil mural]

Ye

And cant be strand

Memory strands

[stoic horizon]

they are on atlas, but outside of the regular maps on their special page with pinnacles

[astral shadow]

Never had issues with originator packs, most annoying monster type is that doedre follower that also appears in originator packs and shootd like 10 projectiles per second and there is 20 of same monster in a pack

[molten hazel]

well 1 map if i wanna farm 1 type of gem XD

[final owl]

oic. fair 'nuff

[potent bramble]

I did the sleep thing, I don't suppose it triggered a PoB update? Lol

[steel light]

maybe when 3.28 is out someone should try to vendor convert a t17 and see if it turns into nightmare map

[fossil mural]

I wonder if they will change the full mirage map interaction with 16.5

[final owl]

it's fun that there is so much stuff to be confused about all over again.

[scarlet jacinth]

Yea unless they pooled drops It'll either be tied to boss or the map

[fossil mural]

It will be a mix I imagine

Some could be global

[steel light]

used the wrong skill, should use hibernate or coma

[fossil mural]

Use:

Brain damage

[scarlet jacinth]

Still an odd system.. watch us have to farm cells or something dumb

[astral shadow]

Pretty sure old awakened gems (now expectional gems) will only be obtainable by same methods as before, and the regular map bosses will have the drop pool to drop new exceptional gems (not old awakened ones)

[fossil mural]

Ggg is heavily leaning into making you farm multiple layouts it seems?

[steel light]

from 📈 to 📉

[hoary scarab]

good

[fossil mural]

Bbbbut... poo2 bad

[gentle chasm]

in trade youre probably still better off farming one layout

and buying whatever you need

[hexed mountain]

and in ssf you can focus your gem

i like it

lowkey i think this league's hype for new builds is mainly on exceptionals

[fossil mural]

Would be funny if it can cut off your map after 3 times

[final owl]

as much as i like being able to rip through 50 dunes i don't reaaally mind being forced to do a tiny bit of variety I guess.

[fossil mural]

Or even two runs

And then you have to do another layout anyway

To clean the blob

[gentle chasm]

variety being shit like dungeon and cells

[astral shadow]

Anything thats made for ssf will have negative impact on trade, or reversed

[final owl]

I'm waiting until I have to do it to get annoyed about it 😛

[crisp obsidian]

Why do everyone think dungeon and cells exist in every quadrant

Just run a quadrant with good layouts on average

[fossil mural]

There will 100% be places for good blobs

[final owl]

is that going to be the 3.28 question. found any good blobs

[fossil mural]

And also atlas map positions will also matter now

[hoary scarab]

maybe the best blobs are the friends we made along the way

[scarlet jacinth]

Astralobes were not mentioned to be tied to specific map bosses for drops

[astral shadow]

<t:1772780400:R> poe league

[fossil mural]

They just said its boss drops thats all

[crisp obsidian]

Astrolobes are tied to maven stone no?

[fossil mural]

Yea you need to get it first

To drop them

[scarlet jacinth]

You get stone then drop them from atlas bosses.

[split maple]

Destru play gonna be good for them anyways

[hoary scarab]

can i get kidney stones instead

[split maple]

And like idk why folks suddenly planning to not get all voidstones asap just coz atlas changed

[scarlet jacinth]

My plans exactly. And if gems are tied to specific bosses destructive play spawns random bosses anyways

[hexed mountain]

all voidstones asap or scrub

[final owl]

i mean depending on what build i end up in i often delay maven a whiles..

am scrub.

[hexed mountain]

i hope the unique vault atlas zone has good maps

[fossil mural]

You also have to get certain voidstones for map drops anyway

Cause they work per quadrant

[split maple]

I delayed last two voids for two weeks this league but I am sure as hell not gonna recomend that

[hexed mountain]

its less cringe to get four now too

[split maple]

Beach being natural t16 made me lazy

[hexed mountain]

uber elder is just annoying to reach

[fossil mural]

Uuugh not really

[hexed mountain]

i'd rather do 3 incarnations

[scarlet jacinth]

Was the gems one and astralobe a different voidstone?

[fossil mural]

You need to do more work than before

[split maple]

Well you still need to do shaper & elder

[fossil mural]

Dont need to do uber elder actually

Which is pog

[hexed mountain]

you need to do one less shaper and elder , that's 8 guardians with phase less :^)

[split maple]

One each for exarch+eater, shaper+elder (or ue), maven and dread right

[potent bramble]

I'm slightly sad about it, on the grounds that despite having some 3k hours in the game, the only pinnacle bosses I've beaten are Exarch and Eater. And now to access the juice I gotta learn a bunch of new boss interactions

[split maple]

Like 4 if maven witnessing but yea

Some work saved

[noble sleet]

do y'all love fubgun?

[fossil mural]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj

[potent bramble]

On the other hand, it's finally a reason to make myself do it instead of just ignoring it and using trade

[stoic horizon]

i only know fubgoon

[hoary scarab]

i hope for fubgone

[noble sleet]

fubait

[fossil mural]

But then 30% of players will play rf

[scarlet jacinth]

Damn i really need an overview of all voidstones / their buffs

[fossil mural]

Instead of 15%

[crisp obsidian]

Fub should get banned from PoE

[final owl]

6 portals and enough dps gets your voids without knowing any mechanics trust

[onyx zephyr]

After 10k hours on playstation Realm. Going for PC realm now. Do you guys have any good tips to maximise my leaguestart?
i desided to play with controller, as im not used to mouse/keyboard play anymore

[split maple]

knowing mechanics is difference between needing 6 portals and 10mil dps for maven and 1.5mil dps

so yea either do good legstarter or learn mechanics

[crisp elm]

any updated atlass trees online ?

[split maple]

poedb and pathofpathing

[stoic horizon]

he cant play turn based rpgs anyway

[gentle chasm]

why tho

[noble sleet]

I need him, you can’t do this

[crisp obsidian]

For posting bugs and abusing them

[final owl]

or in my case, knowing mechanics but still just being a scrub 😇

[hoary scarab]

i bet he would love mewgenics

[gentle chasm]

[crisp elm]

ban the Holten abuser

[hoary scarab]

holten dn

[crisp obsidian]

Evo shrine bug

[noble sleet]

hmm wonder if we’ll see any crazy broken builds when we have a full understanding of everything. Haven’t seen anything nuts since everything’s’ been nerfed lmao

[split maple]

better make bugs well known than hide them for two leagues like i dislike fubby but he acted proper there

[golden hollow]

hello exiles, been gone a league and no time to read notes. How dead/ alive is PF TR or SA ballista

[crisp obsidian]

Lol why would community need to know about bugs

[final owl]

there is zero chance there are no broken interactions after this many changes. imho.

[crisp obsidian]

There's proper channels to report bugs

[empty ivy]

https://poedb.tw/us/atlas-skill-tree/

[crisp obsidian]

That is not youtube videos

[hoary scarab]

no real change

[crisp elm]

he is just mad ggg killed his strat

[golden hollow]

amazing

[crisp obsidian]

TR as bad as ever, SA as good as ever

[golden hollow]

deathbeam follower i c

one of us

one of us

[crisp obsidian]

I never did the strat, I am not a bug abuser

[crisp elm]

then it doesnt affect u

[hoary scarab]

imagine trusting deathbeam, he is making me use daggers

[stoic horizon]

jiji is a SA enjoyer

[hoary scarab]

smh

[split maple]

sadge its a fun one 😛

[crisp obsidian]

Did you lose memory too or what 😭

[ornate patrol]

One of us

[molten hazel]

any with updated visuals i hate going point bye point with these

[hoary scarab]

pause

please do not abbreviate scourge arrow

[crisp elm]

pathofpathing but it works slow on phone

[golden hollow]

u think too highly of urself believing i give a damn about you and would remmember you

[molten hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-abbreviate-walter-white-hank-breaking-bad-gif-11609305132227978440

[golden hollow]

i kid i kid

always liked u jiji

[molten hazel]

thx

[crisp obsidian]

Wowowowowowow jijicist

[civic charm]

Did GGG release all the exceptional gems? Do we know if awakened cast on crit is gone?

[crisp obsidian]

Magy are u playing manaman mines

[split maple]

can check in item filter data

[golden hollow]

never will

[stoic horizon]

filter info has all names, but no description

[crisp obsidian]

You should

[wintry lily]

shaddap jiji

[golden hollow]

if anybody sees me click left side or top side, end me

[civic charm]

Ah

[ornate patrol]

Are you?

[wanton haven]

Ok. Not playing animate weapon. Understood

[golden hollow]

u have my permission

if i ever click anything but duelist or ranger

[crisp obsidian]

It's PF tech on sabo

[golden hollow]

just end it

[split maple]

also 👀

[crisp obsidian]

Most likely yes

[golden hollow]

i dont wanna know bro

i aint clicking giraffe

[hoary scarab]

ward loop buff smh my head

[frigid wedge]

time for infinite iron flask gen

[ornate patrol]

Not even spark smh

[crisp obsidian]

The tech is just too beuautiful

[gleaming linden]

aight we doing forbidden rite coc on sabo

[crisp obsidian]

To skip

[gleaming linden]

i made up my mind

[ornate patrol]

Havent looked at it

[stoic horizon]

spark mines

[ornate patrol]

Login

Didnt palsteron do that?

[golden hollow]

elaborate

[hoary scarab]

unleash stacking self cast spark

[frigid wedge]

tpact it

[past rain]

500% reduced energy shield

🥀

new tree btw if anyone wants to plan https://www.pathofpathing.com/?v=3.28.0-atlas-league#AAAABgAAAgEAcXVxdQAA

[gleaming linden]

whats that

[ornate patrol]

That shit blows up on mobile

[crisp obsidian]

New amulet to make mana flasks work like pf life flasks, then indigon to make non-instant mana flasks apply to life on top of mana, manastorm for gigaflat and lavianga's as mana flask

You get PF defences(full life pb etc) on any class

[past rain]

HH price 10d

[crisp obsidian]

https://pobb.in/u/thedeathbeam%237125/sabo-mana-miner

It's gigabuild

[ornate patrol]

Why rolling magma tho

[past rain]

wtf

[frigid wedge]

tainted pact

[crisp obsidian]

Multihits with sabo random proj asc

[ornate patrol]

And how are u planning to leaguestart it lol

[stoic horizon]

because it still bounces instead of rolling smh ggg fix this

[crisp obsidian]

Any miner, probs pyroclast

[golden hollow]

its db build

wouldnt the items cost limbs tho?

[tawdry olive]

trash gear + no chaos res, The Tree. breach block because memes
spec vision until you dont need it then start going for boss maps/memories/destructive play

actually might be worth pathing through map chance nodes instead of taking the gateway, they seem ok now

[crisp obsidian]

3p voices yes, amulet possibly, indigon yes if mana builds popular

[split maple]

eh, indigon and manastorm are self farmable. the only question is how rare new ammy is (and how to compensate for 3p voices if not in budget)

[crisp obsidian]

But otherwise no

[golden hollow]

3p voices

is like triple digit divines no?

[spice pecan]

usually

[crisp obsidian]

50-90d usually

[golden hollow]

ye nty

bruh i am expecting a child in 6 weeks

[crisp obsidian]

Well 5p is just two passive points no?

[tough cove]

congrats

[golden hollow]

i cant go starter that requires 4 digit div to work

[crisp obsidian]

Good luck

[golden hollow]

ty ty

[hoary scarab]

officially dad gamer budget

[golden hollow]

we go sa ballista

the db classic

[final owl]

I mean, it sounds like it might be your last chance to go 4 digit div starter for a while? 😛

[tough cove]

you could always do holy relic and need next to nothing

[golden hollow]

that shit slaps juice t16 on single digit div budget

[split maple]

if lucky babe will sleep for first 2-3months allright, after that ouch

[golden hollow]

bro

[split maple]

2h gaming a day on good day club

[tough cove]

the terrifying time is when they gain locomotion

[golden hollow]

wife sees me infront of pc for more than 30 min at a time

she goes ballistic

kekw

[tough cove]

i do not understand how toddlers are so darn fast on 4 tiny limbs

[rancid sluice]

teach the kid to farm then its a family project

[hoary scarab]

they are hella strong

[split maple]

mine doesnt even crawl yet and already if i turn away for 10min she somehow moves sideways through half of room

[hoary scarab]

invest in an aura bot

[golden hollow]

its a gril

if anything

[split maple]

gas or coal grill?

[golden hollow]

i go to princess tea parties and drink imaginary tee

[hoary scarab]

i sure hope its propane

[final owl]

hmm. 30 minute max sessions could make for a tough 4 digit div league start

[keen lotus]

yooo

[hoary scarab]

yo

[golden hollow]

oooy

[keen lotus]

heist worth it before beginning mapping at league start/

i feel like i did it during last league or phrecia and it was "ok"

buut probably not ideal

[tawdry olive]

if you're giga fast, yes

[split maple]

well if your starter cannot into maps without 10c

[haughty bloom]

no

[hoary scarab]

just get a soulwrest with 60 phatasms, easy 120% movespeed

[split maple]

assuming you mean running a few contracts before maps not full on heist start farming few simplexes before rerolling

[keen lotus]

yeah not that part esm

[gentle chasm]

if you specialize in it

[keen lotus]

just a few contracts perhaps

[gentle chasm]

its the free-est money you can get

[split maple]

then only do it if your build lietraly cannot into maps

[keen lotus]

maybe ill pick up some whichevers that give currency drops

[split maple]

without 10c or so to buy unique or smh

[keen lotus]

oh word

[past rain]

not taking +20 points is crazy

[keen lotus]

okay now next question because i always fuck this part up . i need an early farm

[past rain]

guardian rota

[tawdry olive]

no i mean you do take that, until your tree gets to this point, then you unspec it

[hoary scarab]

heist

[keen lotus]

ha

[hoary scarab]

[keen lotus]

got em

[gentle chasm]

do people actually get that node

[split maple]

taking unwavering is hella bait

[past rain]

early its good because scarab drops are 0.05c anyway

but y eah not really

ive never taken even tho i should prob

[keen lotus]

gotta get those cloiser bugs early for max profits

[ocean nest]

do we know if the new Exceptional Gem for minions is an valid Intelligence Support effect for the Coin of Knowledge?

[split maple]

the one scenario when unwavering makes sense is when you are Ben in gauntlet doing ubers after 15h

any other scenario is bait

[haughty bloom]

valdo t17s

[keen lotus]

hell yeah bro

[hoary scarab]

no exceptional gems for imbued

[keen lotus]

thanks for the help nerds

[tulip walrus]

Aren't coin supports only regular gems

[ocean nest]

https://giphy.com/gifs/muppets-annoyed-vwI4mYEHP8k0w

[civic charm]

Damn so cast on crit is basically nerfed? You think cast on crit occultist will still slap?

[hoary scarab]

if you wanna coc, go assassin or sabo

[ancient snow]

is last of the druids mystery box available in POE I? I can't see where any of the mystery boxes are??

[split maple]

there is now increased cdr support

may come in handy

[hoary scarab]

4 sockets spend

🥀

[crisp obsidian]

Why nerfed??

[split maple]

woke coc replacement is not in item filter data

[crisp obsidian]

Wiiild

[gentle chasm]

its a bit early to count it out tbh

[normal hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1475863772114718825.webp?size=96&animated=true

[tawdry olive]

its ok, volatile vaal orb will save us

[normal hedge]

level 1 cast on crit login

[split maple]

imbue coc then slap on increased cdr support instead gaming ig

[spice pecan]

https://youtu.be/jMZP4XVjTFg?t=412

why is owen saying that reused at end of flask effect is bugged?

i timestamped it

[molten hazel]

my atlas for league start

[surreal mulch]

are there any cool actually viable builds where bloodline is core? the only one I know is toads price golden rule

shit wrong reply lol

that was hours ago

idk why it saved that

[fossil mural]

Ward shatter

Its playable

[slow niche]

kind of a stupid question, why do people go for bestiary?

what's there to gain from the beasts?

[fossil mural]

Beastcrafting

[surreal mulch]

beastcrafting

[tawdry olive]

there's a new Cast on Ward Break...
yall know what that means...

[split maple]

Black morigan and craicic chimeral mainly

[surreal mulch]

farruls fur

[fossil mural]

Isnt there a tutorial for that

[spice pecan]

some beasts are very valuable, and it's an atlas strat that you can run on scoured maps too

[slow niche]

so if you're not willing to craft you shouldn't go for bestiary

[surreal mulch]

lol

[spice pecan]

you can just sell them

[split maple]

You can itemize and sell beasties

[spice pecan]

bulk yellow beasts sell too

[past rain]

well... when u find black morri u gain 2d and if its paired u can 4d and if u play with scarab u gain 8div for finding 1 beast

[surreal mulch]

not anymore,they fucked up all master sources

[normal hedge]

idk? sounds because i was using it on pathfinder just fine

[final owl]

bulk selling yellows seems like pain

[surreal mulch]

all flat chances to get masters are gone

[slow niche]

and what are the chances of that

[split maple]

What how

[fossil mural]

Cope, morrigan was like 50c in keepers

[spice pecan]

takes like 5 seconds on tft

[past rain]

idk maybe 1 in 20-50maps

[ocean nest]

mine

[slow niche]

so you're competing with 8 divs in 50 maps?

[split maple]

1 mor per 20 maps avg, duped by scarb. Chance to get it twined is ridiculusly low tho

[surreal mulch]

every chance to get a master in map got replaced with a significantly worse stat that weighs scarabs

[fossil mural]

No

This is just one beast

Bruh

[slow niche]

ah i see

[split maple]

And maps take 1:30

[slow niche]

so the rest of the beasts are not useless?

[split maple]

craicic chimeral is good

[past rain]

for 1 blqck morri lol, u gain other beast too and its not alot of points

[dark grove]

How do i implement dmg increase from grace of goddess reliq tree. Pob dont support it

[split maple]

harvest ones are good

[haughty bloom]

where can I find this new atlas tree

[split maple]

fenumal plagued arachnid is okayish

others kinda mid if i didnt miss any

[past rain]

einhar takes no extra time on map

free moneys

[final owl]

red beasts don't take zero time, they gotta breakdance for a few seconds :I

[spice pecan]

wild bristle matron

i think wild brambleback is still good too

[slow niche]

after a number of maps do you go in bestiary "zoo" to check for good beasts?

[split maple]

you need to empty bestiary every 10 maps of so if you killl all beasts (so if you have skill issue identifying good ones or have clear)

[final owl]

and they can be kinda chonky

[split maple]

no? looks same as in 3.27

or does some planer have bugged display

[haughty bloom]

hey can you link this

[slow niche]

use this, https://www.pathofpathing.com feels better than imageless nodes

[split maple]

https://poedb.tw/us/atlas-skill-tree/

[haughty bloom]

ty

[soft perch]

im based

i cant be stopped

[tawdry olive]

breachmaxxing...

[past rain]

bronze tree

[split maple]

surely can also fit in betrayal

[soft perch]

hives and ritual login

[split maple]

abusing travel nodes

[soft perch]

i dont want to

[surreal mulch]

oh? weird I just looked at it like 5 hours ago and I swear every single flat master stat was deleted. fuck. ok well that's nice

[opal ingot]

Abuse breach tree sell foulborn ghostwrithes for 5d

[soft perch]

this

also i think the hive nodes are good

also itll be funny if i proc a mageblood from tree week 1

[fossil mural]

15div

[soft perch]

i think running breach + ritual is kinda pointless tho depending on how astrolabes work

[drowsy beacon]

yo guys what should I play for 3.28
Bleed slam slayer
shockwave cyclone slayer
KB deadeye
Absolution guardian

[grizzled lily]

holy fuck

[split maple]

bleed slammer gonna be comfiest outta these imo

[drowsy beacon]

is it starter friendly?

[split maple]

yea

carn had guide on mobalytics iirc?

prolly top 3 hcssf starter rn

[slow niche]

yeah sounds good

[soft perch]

can easily go a more sc bleed slam build and get way more attack speed

[drowsy beacon]

I have phaze's

[slow sonnet]

Shockwave cyclone can be real fun

[split maple]

oh yea phazeplays is it

[fossil mural]

Mandatory adopted pasta on leg launch 😩

[grizzled lily]

avg quin tts

that reddit post

made my skin shed off

[drowsy beacon]

so me and my friend should play bleed slam and cyclone?

[split maple]

dont cyclone

[fossil mural]

Or rf

[grizzled lily]

rf is so easy

[soft perch]

cyclone shockwave is very playable

its one of the better actual leaguestarters

[slow sonnet]

It is

[fossil mural]

Just drop void shockwave trust

[wintry lily]

it was already playable last league, this league its better

[livid halo]

Is RF better with or without CWS now?

[paper root]

Uber elder gem...

[grizzled lily]

without

[paper root]

Or maybe just elder

[grizzled lily]

ofc

[fossil mural]

Or maybe uber uber elder

[slow sonnet]

I mean if you want cyclone to go far swap to voidforge cyclone

[livid halo]

but I'm too lazy to press buttons

[split maple]

eh i didnt see a single acceptable cyclone pob yet, tho maybe thats more issue of folks playing cyclone than build itself

[paper root]

The minions ones are either the mirage boss or Catarina

[spice pecan]

cyclone players are something else i swear

[wintry lily]

I mean acceptable by what standards?

[fossil mural]

Comparable to rf players?

[wintry lily]

That it can do 4 stone? Ubers?

[spice pecan]

not really

[slow sonnet]

I've taken cyclone pretty far some leagues

[split maple]

4 stone on minimal budget lets say

[wintry lily]

doable

lmao

[slow sonnet]

Cyclone is a decent mapper

[grizzled lily]

https://pobb.in/dfV8sPUxp6-d

[paper root]

Last time I played cyclone was legion league

[grizzled lily]

i mean this can work

[spice pecan]

but cyclone players are some of the most vocal about "i followed this guide exactly and i have the same gear, why am i dying"

[livid halo]

for cyclone there's a very cheap abyss unique build that works well

[spice pecan]

and then you open their pob and they aren't even res capped

[haughty bloom]

oni goroshi cyclone is fun

[wintry lily]

bro that was RF too lmao

[grizzled lily]

playing rf is so easy

[haughty bloom]

go farm oni goroshi

[spice pecan]

i don't really see that on RF as much these days

[gloomy charm]

“Captured soul of drought maddened rhoa”… no my big friend

[spice pecan]

but cyclone and flicker players do it by far the most

[wintry lily]

yeah because pohx rf has been out there for like 6 years now

[past rain]

350k dps

big

[fossil mural]

Ah, the "I am literally him" crowd

[split maple]

now flicker is one build i rly dont undestand how folks mess up so much

[wintry lily]

and is arguably the most well documented build thus far

[split maple]

like its generic strike slayer

[grizzled lily]

put a nebulis for x2 dmg

[split maple]

how can you even make it squishy

[final owl]

I played cyclone one time. I don't recall dieing heaps. but also my memory is bad.

[grizzled lily]

and if u make a archdemon helm u can have easily 2mil fire trap dmg

[fossil mural]

Or put 3 mirrors into it for 10mil

[past rain]

how is 350% inc ele dmg only doubel dmg

[livid halo]

yea but it's fire trap, hate that stuff. If I have to press buttons I would rather try that new ignite sword

[grizzled lily]

tbh

playing rf is so shit high end

but as a league starter its so good

[split maple]

playing rf in league without harbs

[fossil mural]

Can still dot cap

[split maple]

what you gonna do stacked decks

[fossil mural]

So good enough

[grizzled lily]

ritual