1┃general

[tight plinth]

that is not allowed here sir

[neon solar]

Yea I saw a YouTube video and it looked like a fun spell and what not. Just didnt know if anyone had tried, only my third real league and first league not starting pohx rf.

[thick goblet]

yeah it felt good in phrecia, i'm gonna start it in ssf

[tight plinth]

mines are a relaxed play style especially since they introduced automation

[finite quail]

@neon bay can we get this guy banned or something, he doesnt listen

[fervent eagle]

i havent played in awhile does dying in hc put you in sc league now like poe2 or still standard?

[neon solar]

The video i saw mentioned it being strong for ssf, I assumed that meant trade should be "easier/stronger faster" unless im thinking about it incorrectly

[tight plinth]

yes basically

[finite quail]

moves you to softcore of that league

[fervent eagle]

cool ty

[zealous mantle]

anyone trying to make holy strike guestimate pobs yet?

[tight plinth]

not stronger, but easier to get items

[neon solar]

Yes, sorry this is what i meant.

[finite quail]

hard to quantify what the real dps would be since we dont know if overlaps are a thing or not

[zealous mantle]

hmmm tahts fair

[finite quail]

Maybe it creates overlaps when the enemy is close to walls

or maybe it doesnt if there isnt enough space

We don't really know

[native token]

i hope ssf will be more of a challenge in 3.28

[zealous mantle]

it kinda seemed like there was overlap on the mirage league page in the little video preview

but im not entirely sure

[finite quail]

Don't expect it to be

[neon solar]

Also saw a holy absolution build that looked pretty cool.

[tight plinth]

isnt there ruthless if you wanted more challenge?

[zealous mantle]

i dont expect it just to be a more clear thing with more manifested weapons

thatd just be bad

[finite quail]

Ruthless isnt really more challenge

its more tedium

enemies are not harder

[native token]

i like movement skill and map dropps

[tight plinth]

i mean, isnt that what ssf is relative to trade.

[thick goblet]

what are you league starting

[native token]

currently ssf is a joke

[finite quail]

you just have worse ascendancies, less items, cant buy gems and worse mechanics

Also like

no movement skills except quickstep

which did get buffed yes but still

PUKE

[native token]

not sure yet. most likly kb or bleed bow if any of the new gems is pog

[finite quail]

bleed bow glad was in the trailer a lot of the time

[native token]

i cope

it will be good

[finite quail]

lmao

[dusty mesa]

Did we ever get it confirmed the belt rolls other shrines other than the guy that “spoke to a GGG employee”

[finite quail]

even in the trailer they joked about bleed bow glad in 2026

Good luck

[native token]

🙁

currently its super shit

[finite quail]

none of the patchnotes that I remember from what was posted will help you out much

Other than the imbuing of lvl 20 gems and the greater supports

or whatever they're called I forgot

[native token]

we get new split arrow with 500% more dotmulti

and 20 projectiles

[finite quail]

uhhuh

Still its the same thing

split arrow and snipe

[native token]

and a support gem with 200% faster tickrate

i cope since 5 years for a essence contagen buff

but worst case ill just play kb

and reroll when i have mageblood

[rich widget]

wait how does tramu work with static strike

[true flower]

3rd scion ascendancy gonna be raider

this time its gonna be a surprise

[modest depot]

they would never actually say but it seems to be other shrines from what i've seen

if you really want have confirmation you would have to wait for datamine

[hard cliff]

cause I'm bad

Not really

I'm mostly immune to mid level jank

and champ looks tankier and has much saner pathing

I also play Templar too. much

gotta diversify

[hard cliff]

what did they say

[finite quail]

it was the bit about party play

showing the 4 offline friends

the status said something about bleed bow in 2026

[leaden mural]

😭 we have so few poison attack skills lmao, Pconc fine I get it but cobra lash and mamba barley played.

[hard cliff]

😭

Wasn't mamba meta?

[leaden mural]

2% play rate

[hard cliff]

wow

[timid sapphire]

https://pobb.in/wPvAnMwCPxHg

kboc looking juicy

in 3.28

[karmic gust]

you cant just skip the chance for extra proj on fork there no

[tawdry olive]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1rh9vfs/i_feel_like_some_of_yall_are_just_making_up/
this is a really amusing post

[timid sapphire]

oh ya have to remove a small

ill be playing regular kb doe

[tawdry olive]

someone please make RAW CoC (Ranged Animate Weapon Cast on Crit) a reality

[surreal musk]

already is ask ur mom

[hard cliff]

the wand stuff was confusing last league

"I'm playing KFBOC"

Me: cool I guess that's one of the new wand skills

[ember goblet]

i love power over ethernet

[tawdry olive]

I love Edgar Allan Poe

[ember goblet]

true

[hard cliff]

me too

one of my fav authors

[gritty garnet]

kentucky fried balls of corn

[ember goblet]

does the poe in poets pen stand for pay over ethereum or party's over, everyone

[empty bronze]

fun fact

you can use this sticker in any discord server

[hard cliff]

pain on entry

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/comments/1rh6kv3/328_dance_with_death_energy_blade_juggernaut/

[nocturne yoke]

God that took way to long

i learned a few things, some NPC dialogue is cut off before it finishes, and some is not voiced, and it feels like some of them talk to much

[tawdry olive]

Be glad the envoy’s in map dialogue isn’t counted under this lmao

[simple stag]

storm burst totems or shockwave totems

[nocturne yoke]

true but the notes in the random vaal side areas do count for no stone unturned

maybe ill do that during 3.28

[noble sleet]

What will be the next meta builds?

[nocturne yoke]

Next meta build is the lore build, 3% more damage and rarity per achievement

[tight plinth]

next meta build will be shrine belt with any build

[hard cliff]

yes

[nocturne yoke]

Next meta build is dual-wield bows

[hard cliff]

is this bait?

[simple stag]

the only thing thats throwing me off for totems or even static strike now is I kinda want to play with the dessicated belt and neither benefit from accel shrine

[nocturne yoke]

smells like bait

maybe cheap extra damage on a bleed build

[noble sleet]

How is giants blood in Poe 1? Does it scale crazy or?

[nocturne yoke]

IDK i'm an RF player, we don't think

[noble sleet]

I wanan try that shrine belt so bad lmao

[drowsy eagle]

it scales to the infinite

[desert pasture]

with the mirage league release will we be given a full passive tree reset for free or nah

because idk how we got the msot recent one

[drowsy eagle]

do they change the passive tree?

[nocturne yoke]

Well everything's reset back to zero with mirage League, It's a new league lol, also they unintentionally buffed RF, dangerously gave us a 12% fire DoT Multi nearby

[fallow escarp]

Yeah, new nodes in templar

so you will get respec on any characters in standard

[drowsy eagle]

yeah, but you don't have millions of gold in standard?

[desert pasture]

I need to reset my whole tree because I was like halfway through a different rf build

also I was out of poe1 for like a year

[nocturne yoke]

Pohk RF guide is handy

[desert pasture]

alright now im getting mixed views

I started on pohk but someone else said a different build and so im kinda just confused at this point

[nocturne yoke]

If you're looking for a low budget, consistent and reliable Pohk

If you're wanting to juice the hell out of it, go with someone else

[tawdry olive]

very cool but seems sketchy as a starter, especially if it gets popular

[storm musk]

Hey everyone, What would be a good duo support build to boost a frostblades player? Trying to get some recommendations

[hard cliff]

it's bait

😩

[tawdry olive]

yes, its like, if you're pushing hard at the start for 4 stones yourself, you wont have this chest online
if you're slower and some are already on the market, you're praying it's not like 20 div

[opal ingot]

the big hurdle is getting the foulborn ghostwrithe and on the lesser hard part, the breach ascendancy.

though checking the pob, there's a non-ghostwrithe version you can settle on but im not sure if the dps is passable

[drowsy eagle]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/itsmemitsui-2692/_WOLF_OF_VAAL_STREET_?i=0
league start this

[nocturne yoke]

depending on the silly, scion may be my 2nd toon

i dare GGG to put headhunter or mageblood on her

[opal ingot]

inspired learning

but only 5 seconds

[hard cliff]

????

[drowsy eagle]

league start dps

[nocturne yoke]

that is juiced to hell and not a league starter

[tawdry olive]

naw its very fair, 3 1p voices

[steel light]

no way u can league start this damage

zdps without all those stuffs

[opal ingot]

thanks. it was kind of unclear what the red bar means

i thought it meant life

ggg needs more visual clarity

[tawdry olive]

for now im planning to start boneshatter glad, im praying they aren't going to do anything to the rarity of Azadi.

they could pull a funny and make it T1 or something then i cry

since they're on a grueling gauntlet afk cws nerf streak, its not out of the question

[nocturne yoke]

Boneshatter got so much love with the blood tree

but now, that is gone

the tree was rolling 1 Div axes for free

[opal ingot]

if u have 22 challenges, can you get to 36 in 2days

[earnest raven]

Mhm

[tawdry olive]

depends on how built up your character in the current league is

there are many that are quite easy

[opal ingot]

oh yeah, remember my friend told me they got a ton of challenges in a single day when they focused on the easy ones

[nocturne yoke]

so it looks like you can use any tier map on any map space, what the hell is the void stones gonna do now?

[tawdry olive]

yea, as long as you dont mind burning a bit of divs on stuff

[drowsy eagle]

16/36 do I still have time

[tawdry olive]

like not even to buy them, things like the memory orb challenges

[chilly chasm]

is there some sort of like, "firing squad" style build with archer?

[opal ingot]

yeah

still wild though that someone would want to do 36

when the league is about to end

[thick goblet]

vaal ice shot

[nocturne yoke]

can we vote to remove the maven fight?

[chilly chasm]

i will look into this

[opal ingot]

i vote keep the maven fight

taht shit is awesome

[steel light]

nightmare map drops (aka old t17), and those 4 voidstone have different passive effect included

[hard cliff]

true

[nocturne yoke]

i can't do memory stuff

[opal ingot]

it's the only phased boss i enjoy

and i hate phase bosses

[hexed mountain]

the mana version of katal amulet looks more hype tbh

[drowsy eagle]

or any projectile skill with greater volley support xd

[opal ingot]

practice, watch tips

[hard cliff]

4.3 mil is juice to you???

[opal ingot]

cheat a little by using text macros using awakened poe trade

[hexed mountain]

runegraft of quaffing + enduring mana flask from amulet and life recovery from mana flask is so nice

[opal ingot]

until you get used to it

[nocturne yoke]

no like, short term memory has issues, i will not remember a 5 item string

[hard cliff]

we have hp regen at home

[opal ingot]

you actually dont need to memorize 6 combinations

[hexed mountain]

stand on the side of the memory to skip the first two

[opal ingot]

there are rules to the maven memory game that makes it more predictable

and ending up withj you not needing to memorize more than you think

[karmic gust]

if you are building for mana flask wouldnt just going for indigon at that point be better than the runegraft

[opal ingot]

unless you have a diagnosed memory issue, you literally can do it

[karmic gust]

even though i guess you can archmage instead with the graft

[hexed mountain]

possible yeah

[tight plinth]

runegraft has less recovery i think

[desert pasture]

gods im gonna need so much stuff, mostly chomatic orbs and gold

[karmic gust]

reduced

[desert pasture]

any suggestions?

[hexed mountain]

but then again i am a indigon hater

[karmic gust]

e.g basically nothing

[opal ingot]

i mean ffs ben can do the memory game by just hearing the AUDIO while doing his passive tree

[hexed mountain]

indigon is probably much less clunky on totem builds though

and with the amulet

[tight plinth]

oh indigon + kf totems?

[dire iron]

hi where do I check if new leagues are here?

[opal ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dMmAE5mjhR0

[karmic gust]

indigon becomes a lot less clunky when you have this

for sure ;d

[opal ingot]

actually seems like he didn't memorize the audio, just following certain rules of memory game lol

[hexed mountain]

indigon + manastorm and you got all your damage increases and flat sorted

[tawdry olive]

why do i get the feeling im gonna bait myself into starting holy hammer even after all the planning for something else im doing now... like i can feel this itch you know

😔

[drowsy eagle]

if only they have a countdown on the main webpage

[dire iron]

ah

[hexed mountain]

nothing wrong with testing a new skill , at worst you pivot into something else

[karmic gust]

now only if life based mana builds had any defenses

then it would be pog setup

[dire iron]

thanks!

[hexed mountain]

as totem at least you get the totem playstyle which is safer

[tawdry olive]

testing boneshatter just has me missing earthshatter tbh, like it works but damn, i actually have to aim now

[hexed mountain]

you can't archmage brands but maybe stormbrand with indigon and the amulet would make it have decent damage

[karmic gust]

yea but i would rather have proper defensive package

[karmic gust]

wintertide indigon actually used to be rly nice build

[visual stream]

6 portal is a decent ammount of defence

[karmic gust]

same with blight

[visual stream]

[hexed mountain]

saw a few of those yeah

[karmic gust]

idk if it stll works but with this it probs does again

[tawdry olive]

please let us use the coins on portal for cast on death

please (i know you can only use it on level 20 gems)

please anyway

[karmic gust]

and beenfit of indigon and having external recovery is that you dont rly care about max mana at all

so you just stop at like same mana as life

and then you dont grab any more

because its useles

[hexed mountain]

manastorm's 100% mana recovery from flask sounds really fun to play with though

for KF totem

[hard cliff]

spooky strike

[edgy acorn]

So, what are we starting guys?

[hard cliff]

dude it's a slam

[hexed mountain]

would surely outscale warden in damage on KF with hiero with manastorm indigon and katal but in ssf that's annoying farm

[hard cliff]

if it sucks pivot into the 5 that don't

[tight plinth]

holy strike

[hard cliff]

Holy ghosts looks fun

[hexed mountain]

also there's a lot of guardian oriented skills they pulled out , SURELY some are good

respec is cheapo

[hard cliff]

that's insane

[visual stream]

anything with guardian

[echo horizon]

damn you really dont know someone playing poe just because they make money from it until you see jung stream

[edgy acorn]

so KF, okay

[hard cliff]

if nothing else at least you have perma giant glowing dude now

[karmic gust]

i dont rly like that they added arcane surge scaling to the amulet tho could've been different stat

[echo horizon]

bruh literally hate the game every minutes he plays it

[karmic gust]

because the arcane surge scaling basically locks it to hiero

[hexed mountain]

wait it might be cringe to run katal on KF totems due to reduced duration

[karmic gust]

as its kinda stupid

[hexed mountain]

maybe just good old KB with the massive spell damage scaling

to free up more jewelry to stack mana

[hard cliff]

what the heck is Katal

[hexed mountain]

yeah that's an insane line

[karmic gust]

yea but could've been something different, like mana recovery rate or mana flask effect or something :d

[hexed mountain]

the funny part is the arcane surge boots are still probably a trollpick

[tawdry olive]

no the thing that's different about being baited into this one is powercharges, i might not even start marauder lmao
in whic case going into other slams will be kinda suspect

[karmic gust]

well they are decent-ish

[hexed mountain]

its just high MS boots since hiero gets arcane surge for free

its not horribly bad but you're not keeping them

[hard cliff]

pillar of the caged god

[karmic gust]

yea and you have too much cast speed anyway so you can just wintry blast

well maybe not with manastorm xd

[hexed mountain]

yeah its shield charge time

imbued gems are going to relieve so much socket pressure

going to feel nice

did they say if imbued support works for the entire link?

or just the gem imbued

[karmic gust]

🤷‍♂️

i would assume it works to anything thats actually linked to the gem tho otherwise it wouldnt rly mak sense

[hexed mountain]

btw isnt the follow through nerf a big buff to magma orb especially with the new "hybrid" clusters?

you get exactly 5 chains on it

[karmic gust]

well it went from 15 to 20, its fine

but it also got global limit

so if you were stacking it before then not really

[hexed mountain]

wait no its 6

yeah i mean on skills that wouldnt stack it

[karmic gust]

its bascially nerfed for everyone who wanted follow through

[karmic gust]

no i mean multiple follow throughs

have sameglobal limit

[hexed mountain]

yeah

but like as a single one on builds with some chains

easily getting good value

[karmic gust]

ah, sure

[hexed mountain]

and since now we can "make" our megalos

could do mine notable + this

since i guess most magma orbs are miners

[karmic gust]

well if it wasnt changed then you would just do 2 follow throughs right

so technically still nerf

with the pseudo megalo stuff

[hexed mountain]

could be , mine notables are damn strong tho

[hard cliff]

leaked

[compact rampart]

Guys quick bow question. How does longshot or pointblank work with thunderstorm. If you shoot it from afar and then walk up will the explosion be long shot damage or point blank damage?

[hexed mountain]

usually stuff doesnt snapshot

[opal ingot]

wow an actual question

[karmic gust]

idk why im even pobbing this mana stuff ngl i want to play with the new belt and this makes it impossible

[hexed mountain]

well at least you got a pob if the belt is 1.5% drop chance and impossible to divine

[karmic gust]

well if thats the case i will just play pf anyway instead :d

have some pf builds planned but trying to find something elsewhere for the belt

that looks fun

[hexed mountain]

i must say if it cant be divined... the shrine weights arent looking good its going to be all defences/res shrine + freezing

i'd probably take a single res shrine over any belt outside of mageblood/HH tho

[karmic gust]

well if the part where someone said it rolls 1 offense and 1 defense is true

then you have half solved

[echo horizon]

should works the same as always with rain skills, from the point you shoot to the landing spot

what ever effects it have just dont matter

[karmic gust]

and then just have to roll good offensive shrine on the offense roll

[hexed mountain]

yeah but thats the big issue

lightning freezing for 180 weight

[whole bluff]

how can I only have 1 bingo lul

[hexed mountain]

at least diamond and accel are 30 not 10

so it should be relatively common

[opal ingot]

no lifeblade, but yes cold archmage

[tight plinth]

how is skeletal only at 30 lmao

[karmic gust]

yea thats not horrible odds if the rolls are split

[opal ingot]

try again next league this time it will surely belifeblade

or manablade

[karmic gust]

also massive is not the worst either

massive and accel i take

[hexed mountain]

skeletal is offensive isnt it

[tight plinth]

massive is more life or increased?

[karmic gust]

increased

[hexed mountain]

increased

[tight plinth]

balls

[karmic gust]

welel most builds have like 100% inc life

so its pretty substantial regardless

[tight plinth]

they should change the name to slightly bigger instead of massive

[karmic gust]

or at least most of my builds xd

[karmic gust]

would be weird if it was defensive :d

[hexed mountain]

so its 300 weight total for offensive if i picked the right ones as offensive

[karmic gust]

even though skeeletal should be in separate useless category

[hexed mountain]

so 10% chance for diamond 10% for accel

[karmic gust]

as freezing/ligthning at least does something

[hexed mountain]

i wonder if shrine effect would boost the shock effect

on lightning

at least wouldnt be a giga brick

maybe even do some weird LC build

[karmic gust]

yea maybe

[hexed mountain]

as long as its not skellies shrine

[karmic gust]

but its also likely its some stupid shocked ground that do not scales from your stats

as WTD was saying that you catn dark pact skeletal shrine for example

so its just weird effects

[hard cliff]

you guys think that line stormcall will be good?

[hexed mountain]

yeah but they said they upgraded to greater lightning/freeze shrine no?

so if they change it for the belt maybe they're nice

[karmic gust]

greater lighning? uh idk i havent caught that

[karmic gust]

wasnt that shock nova

[blazing nymph]

yep, shock nova of procession

[hexed mountain]

idk if the belt is considered "random"

[whole bluff]

cold archmage looks cool, maybe

[karmic gust]

i assume they all just use same pool idk

[hexed mountain]

inb4 greater skeletal shrines deals high damage

[whole bluff]

I hope greater skeletal just gives minion stats

[hexed mountain]

if these shrines are decent guardian's node might actually be good

[whole bluff]

and the random skellys

and greater freezing/lightning essentially conflux

[noble sleet]

With the belt, will we be able to scale the shrine effects?

[karmic gust]

those shrines giving some useful effects on top of the useless base effects would be cute

[whole bluff]

• phys dmg gained as

[hexed mountain]

we should be able to scale unless they prenerf it

[karmic gust]

its same wording as blunderbore

so no reason we couldnt

[hard cliff]

sure

[opal ingot]

there's no reason to assume with the wordings that the shrine effects cannot be scaled

so while you can safely assume that you can scale the new belt with shrine effects, there is a possibility ggg will do something about it

[hexed mountain]

lowkey since its guardian's node and they want to buff guardian for their flavour of the league... maybe they're good /copium

[noble sleet]

Ohh man I hope this belt is giga busted lmao. Looks fun lol

[karmic gust]

i can already see the guardian playrate staying 0 regardless :d

[void oasis]

its gonna be worth mirrors brotato

[hexed mountain]

will be decently popular as start i think

the buffed sentinel is basically autowin until yellows

[void oasis]

its gonna roll any 2 shrines and if u get the diamond one + acceleration or resistance i promise you itll be worth mirrors

[hexed mountain]

checked the dps earlier and level 40 its doing 12500 per swing with a level 40 tree

[karmic gust]

idk what do you even play on it at start, the buffed absolution?

[opal ingot]

if it's not, will you promise me 3 mirrors?

[hexed mountain]

vaal absolution damage got nearly doubled too on his absolution cast

[karmic gust]

as going any of the new melee skills on guardian def sounds pretty troll

[void oasis]

nah i need the 3 mirrors to buy the belt 🤣 x3 xd :3

[noble sleet]

Is that two offensive rolls tho? I saw a YouTuber say one defensive and one offensive

[opal ingot]

xd

[hexed mountain]

it got 40% more base from normal absolution buff and then 200% to 300% buff

[tawdry olive]

New Conner video dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyUGx5zc0rw

str stack bible kek

[opal ingot]

hello, this is one MLF

[hexed mountain]

and vaal absolution was already doing VERY good damage

[opal ingot]

wait they buffed absolution? lol

[void oasis]

yeah ive heard that too but i reckon its gonna be any 2 because thats actually WORSE than one defensive one offensive cause ur more likely to hit a bad one with any 2, whereas with 1 offensive 1 defensive, all the bad ones are on offensive and theres no bad rolls for defensive shrines... also what even constitutes a defensive shrine. i reckon its just all the majro shrines rolled twice n oduplicates

[hard cliff]

what is this guys gimmick?

[hexed mountain]

guardian and reliquarian are the two builds highest on my leaguestart list rn , right above slayer sweep shotgun memes

[tawdry olive]

complex and expensive giga scaling endgame builds

[strong totem]

so you admit hiero is the best. Thank you

[hexed mountain]

(took KF totems off because i played KF 4 times already)

[opal ingot]

gonna be a cleaner witch playthrough to bama

[hexed mountain]

might revisit KF if i loot a manastorm

might just do basic KB tho

[noble sleet]

I’d love the one for 50% all res and 10% max res. Man that solves like all my res in an instant lmao. Plus the chaos rolls chaos res lmao

[hard cliff]

wth do you do on single Target for sweep

[hybrid harness]

when does it fall off would u say. pal made it sound good

[hexed mountain]

hydrosphere and worm's flask

[opal ingot]

i watched a pal vid and he says that self cast would probably be better in the later game vs totems

[hexed mountain]

in damage it doesnt fall off at all as totem. As non-totem you struggle at pinnacles without reduced duration jewelry but then it scales super well

[short prairie]

Wdf

[opal ingot]

https://youtu.be/rdQrfTdg_Lg?si=KoDZzIAkvVg_Pz4j&t=208

[hexed mountain]

i think i was around 25M dps in phrecia on the totem palladin

and palladin is lowkey not THAT good scaling once well geared

just insane to get going

[opal ingot]

palladium

[hexed mountain]

hiero would beat it with gear and warden too by quite a lot

[hybrid harness]

on hiero I assume u take the charge node as 3rd, but whats 4th?

[golden moat]

how much aoe do you want on your ice crash?

[hexed mountain]

farrul probs

[hybrid harness]

oh right bloodlines

op

[hexed mountain]

we dont know the new bloodline might be good too

olroth is a good bloodline if you're doing sacred wisp and not totems

you instant stack ward

since you hit over 100 times per second

[opal ingot]

3 mirror build warden dealling 6shitrillion dps on a slightly juiced t16.5 map pressing 2 additional buttons

[hexed mountain]

absolutely unethical damage

[opal ingot]

that'll show those white mobs

[hexed mountain]

i wouldnt be surprised if a KF nerf would pop in patch update tbh

still can't believe its "safe"

[opal ingot]

a surprise roundhouse kick day before launch

[hexed mountain]

they need to nerf it today or tomorrow if they do

it would be a turbo di** move to wait for all content creators and players to plan a KF starter to nuke it thursday

[opal ingot]

ye well see monday in nzt

[hexed mountain]

about half a day off reliquarian full reveal too

the burden of shadows and grace value interest me a lot

also terminus est, like SURELY they dont give it frenzy on hit and call it a day like it would make flicker playable

[hard cliff]

hell yeah

[livid quarry]

i wanna try warden but i know its not well rounded late game. cant stand releveling another charac

mayb just dont play

[hard cliff]

watched some of this and it looks miserable to play

[hard cliff]

we will miss you

[hexed mountain]

issue with warden is 0 flexibility on KF

its really good but you cannot take olroth for ward defenses

because oath of spring more than doubles your damage

[livid quarry]

kf?

[onyx adder]

Issue with warden is it dies all the time

[hexed mountain]

Kinetic fusillade

[onyx adder]

Same as every warden

[hexed mountain]

i didnt die that much even on bad defenses because warpslinger makes you dodge everything

poor mobs trying to touch rat irl prime

[native abyss]

lock in

[stray sedge]

Can you imagine what the mirage zone will look like in places like Aquaducts/Waterways lol

[compact rampart]

Can scorch go above 30 percent with ailment effect?

[eternal hill]

ailment effect doesnt change the maximums

[onyx adder]

all ailment maximums dont scale with ailment effect

[eternal hill]

some ailments have tools to increase the max though

[onyx adder]

they scale with maximum effect of ailment

[tawdry olive]

well yea its 0.0% playrate for a reason, the mechanics are just as important as the numbers, no matter how big you make your explodes its still a single target strike skill

but Conner does deep delve, its fine there, you just hop around delve nodes and once they activate you wait for mobs to swarm you and hold the skill down

[eternal hill]

Strikes get to a point where the clear will be alright with all the +strikes and range

during progression, keeping up the dmg while doing ^is the problem

[tawdry olive]

after trying MSoZ last league i kinda learned a lot about what i like and dont lol, i wont be doing something like that again. I did have sionnes and extra strikes up the wazoo but its still kinda clunk

[coral summit]

bro

i just realized

trauma stackers with acceleration shrine screams of the dessicated

about to go CRAZY

[livid quarry]

mirror stacker

[hexed mountain]

ngl conner builds usually look like PoB valdo builds

QoL : 0 fun : 0 damage and tanking : yes

[onyx adder]

well this is zenith

which really does not ever get to the point where clear is acceptable

[coral summit]

zenith is like the biggest negative qol skill in the game lmao

zenith plus trauma stacking

negative qol squared

zenith plus trauma stacking on pillar of the caged god, negative qol cubed

[tawdry olive]

yea you reduce your proj speed/aoe for more damage, and your gain on hit relies on that too

[hexed mountain]

trans glacial hammer also has a nuke every X hits but at least it deals good damage on the two other hits and feels nice to play

[livid quarry]

funny some ppl actually mapped until mirror drop with zenith

[tawdry olive]

zenith last league was very good for abom boss rush at least

thats mapping

[coral summit]

but yeah i can hit attack speed cap with accel shrine on trauma stack now

[hexed mountain]

PoBed a trans GH a few days ago and it looked actually good leaguestart i'm just scrapping it because marylene is over half your damage... and i'm ssf

[coral summit]

the problem is uh

10.2k self dmg without IC

on a 12k hitpool

first executioner without IC just kills that char lmao

[hard cliff]

hell yeah

[hexed mountain]

what about having less duration

so you can't stack trauma as high to be safe

but still get a lot of trauma because accel shrine

[coral summit]

i mean, sure

but muh funny pob numbers.

xdd

[hexed mountain]

less ramp more QoL

[coral summit]

what is life if pob isnt' telling you you have 4 billion dps at 1200 trauma stacks

(ignore that you only get 30 stacks a second)

but yes im back on my we're so back angle with hybrid str/dex stacker pillar

[hexed mountain]

waiting for reliquarian pyroclast confirmation this evening

mystic refractor node better have +3 proj

or it would legit be worse deadeye since it has a downside

[coral summit]

isnt the item itself 3-4 proj

[hexed mountain]

its 2-3

[coral summit]

o no its 2-3

yeah

[hexed mountain]

but yeah it has shit rolls aside from that and the downside

there's no way they put +2 proj and a downside when deadeye just gets +2

[noble sleet]

Are people theory creating the next best league starter or?

[hexed mountain]

well the week before leaguestart is theorycraft week

[coral summit]

trauma stacker about to kill itself at record speeds xddd

30.3 aps into 10k self hits

I wonder if there's a point where you attack fast enough that you can start actually using greater multistrike

what's the attack speed cap with that?

[tawdry olive]

put trauma support on a slam and do echoes of creation to push that self damage even higher

really hurt yourself

[coral summit]

the problem with that is that we dont have infinite exerts

you run out of exerts in literally .2 seconds LOL

[tawdry olive]

oh wait trauma support only supports strikes

its so over

[coral summit]

and yeah

that too

[hexed mountain]

@karmic gust

they changed the thing no?

i dont remember it being "20% less damage"

[coral summit]

yeah it got obliterated

because each weapon hits separately it no longer combines them for poisons

so thats immediately like

-60% dmg

on top of betrayal's sting no longer functioning and low tolerance value being cut by 33%

[hexed mountain]

nevermind wayback machine says it was already 20% less damage idk

i swear i didnt see the 20% less

[coral summit]

so yeah it's literally just a dead skill now

[hexed mountain]

if both weapons still hit

[blazing spear]

rip mamba

[hexed mountain]

i wouldnt say DEAD but a lot worse i guess

[coral summit]

both weapons hit but it doesnt add their dmg together

for poison

so you're basically only using one or the other weapon for calculating poison

its legit probably like -80 or 85% dmg

from the combined nerfs to it

[hexed mountain]

its about 50% less damage if both still hit so it would be playable

if they dont its unplayable yeah

maybe 2H sword can work but eh

[coral summit]

cuz now it has each weapon hits separately

if dual wielding

instead of combining

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[coral summit]

its just doomed lol

[hexed mountain]

they said they were talking about it tho

[coral summit]

o

are they considering rolling that back

so it's not completely unplayable

[hexed mountain]

so it's not 100% certain i guess , maybe copium and they talk about the 20% less damage or something else

[coral summit]

its straight up the hit combining

that makes or breaks it at this point

20% less dmg doesnt matter versus if it does full or half dmg

[hexed mountain]

on a 2H setup its "just" about 30% less damage

[coral summit]

from having 2 weapons if it adds them or not

[eternal hill]

with Low toles losing 33% value and mamba losing the double poison, its kinda gone

[full kraken]

Doesnt this inherently not work of it can only apply one with its other rule added

Does your offhand just do nothing

Or is it just to block betrayals sting

[eternal hill]

ppl were estimating 70% dmg reduction

[hexed mountain]

yeah if it loses the double hit dual wield is dead

[full kraken]

Isn't that still a bazillion dps anyways tho 🤔

[hexed mountain]

shame they removed the poison spread embalmer

[eternal hill]

if non dw mamba does enough, it will be the same old

[hexed mountain]

maybe could have done some assassin mamba with a high tri ele 2H

[coral summit]

the way it reads at least to me is that it no longer does the double hit, so it alternates between which weapon it picks for calculating poison damage

[full kraken]

Like... wasnt it super easy to dot cap mamba and now its just kinda challenging to dot cap mamba

[eternal hill]

ppl said it was, I borderline capped to 6M

[hexed mountain]

in trade sure , in ssf it wasnt that easy

[coral summit]

but yeah betrayal's sting is also dead for that

[hexed mountain]

at the end i had like 25M i think on mine

[eternal hill]

betrayal was always dead to mamba

[coral summit]

i vaguely remember one of my guildies testing betrayal's sting and saying it worked

[eternal hill]

double betrayal is probs great for regular viper

[coral summit]

on mamba

[split maple]

Yea betrayal was bugged

[full kraken]

I am excited to see if twisters has been buffed further with exceptional gems

Praying for exceptional swift affliction and/or exceptional efficacy

[split maple]

At least early

[hexed mountain]

pretty sure there were betrayal users on poe ninja

[coral summit]

i'm a little leery of trying to do pillar trauma stack at anything under like a 50 div budget lmao

just cuz the starting ramp on maps and whatnot feels ultra ass

[hexed mountain]

yeah a 2H sword can get 1000 average damage so it could be playable if we had spread gloves

sadly no spread gloves no gaming

[coral summit]

pob is like "yeah astramentis and str/dex gear+splits without more than 20d gets you 40mil damage"

except im looking at that like

[eternal hill]

flaskfinder angle

[coral summit]

"in maps maybe it'll be half that, and start of maps will do literally zero damage for the first few hits"

[hexed mountain]

i dont get some of the nerfs tho

like foulborn tulborn

didnt see anyone run it

[full kraken]

Im sad I prolly will struggle to ever make my insane arakaalis ever again tho

[tranquil sedge]

did they update the mamba notes or something now?

[coral summit]

ppl were doing foulborn tulborn for the uhh

[tranquil sedge]

viper said they were discussing and would update it right once they were ready?

[coral summit]

vaal cold snap? build

[hexed mountain]

nah i can't read and somehow didnt read 20% less damage on dual wield when it came out idk

[coral summit]

whatever the funny cold RF build was

that was dot capping pretty easily

[split maple]

Prayge tomorrow

[tranquil sedge]

im talking about the 'hit together' part

[wanton plank]

anyone has idea what unique it is?

[coral summit]

i think it used two of those

[hexed mountain]

nah

[hexed mountain]

cybil's paw

[tranquil sedge]

the patch notes read like they butchered mamba but viper in disc said it needs to be updated

so we're waiting for that

[hexed mountain]

yeah

its wildly overkill

surely

[tranquil sedge]

kk 🤞 tomorrow then

[hexed mountain]

to be fair i'm not playing it either way

nothing new seems usable on mamba

[tranquil sedge]

don't need to play a skill to know if something's fair or not 😄

[coral summit]

mamba hasnt been updated since 2/26

so

[hexed mountain]

no , i mean not playing it this league

[tranquil sedge]

i getchu 😛

[coral summit]

if it gets updated it's earliest tomorrow

[hexed mountain]

i played mamba every league

[tranquil sedge]

ye

[full kraken]

Gold price of beasts fix is looking pretty hot

[tranquil sedge]

its weekend we're not expecting anything today

[icy zinc]

@leaden quiver https://pobb.in/gR4rEi9aSnC4 a rough holy strike poison pobb

[hexed mountain]

soon monday for them

i mean 12h off monday morning

[full kraken]

If yellow beasts become viable to bulk sell in async trade, Im gonna be hype

[tranquil sedge]

they're always viable to sell
its buying that was rough

[full kraken]

They'll prolly only sell for 1c if so, but its just easy fast money

[steel light]

are these just like heist vault with random treasures to choose? and are those 4 repeatable or one time each only?

[tranquil sedge]

depends on how many people do it and would rather buy off async than tft tbh

[full kraken]

I meant sell, not put up for sale but "people will buy it"

[hexed mountain]

sounded like you could farm them to target specific reward

[tranquil sedge]

wait how does bottling beasts in menagerie work now

[full kraken]

If the gold price is reasonable ppl will for sure prefer async trade I hope

[tranquil sedge]

i know u can oneclick it but does it still cost a chaos?

[icy zinc]

these appear on end of astrolabe

[coral summit]

yep

still costs chaos

[icy zinc]

so you want to rush

[full kraken]

You just ctrl+click

[coral summit]

wait

[hexed mountain]

so my guess is you can astrolabe the same region again and again to target one reward

[coral summit]

no it doesnt

[split maple]

It's free

[coral summit]

it's free LOL

i forgot

[tranquil sedge]

ah okay

[full kraken]

No it doesnt

:p

[coral summit]

can u tell i dont fucking do bestiary

[icy zinc]

bottling beast is free

[full kraken]

Just spam ctrl click om nom nom

[icy zinc]

einhar is also a lot of value now

since harvest beasts

[tranquil sedge]

okay so the worst case scenario is 1c price floor on async

[coral summit]

i remembered like halfway through typing that it was free now

i think u meant 1gcp floor

[tranquil sedge]

how well do beasts sell at leaguestart?

yellows specifically?

[split maple]

Surely there will be some way to sanely farm harvest beasts right

[coral summit]

gcps are gonna be HELLA demand this league

[full kraken]

Could be gcp or fuse or etc

[steel light]

saving 1c each during leaguestart was huge

[coral summit]

cuz of the imbued gems

[tranquil sedge]

if astrolabes don't do this it's going to wreck that market

like kirac missions were such a good thing for those

surely astrolabes will have this

[coral summit]

i didnt want to go back to delve this league

[full kraken]

The biggest seller for beasts are usually imprints which got heavily nerfed tho keep that in mimd

[coral summit]

but then they made fossils delve only

[tranquil sedge]

man speaking of gcp

that shit is going to be expensive this league isn't it

[coral summit]

and buffed the fuck out of trauma stackers

[full kraken]

Specifically beast locking corrupted magic items

[coral summit]

so like... fuck it, i'm going back LOL

[tranquil sedge]

base gems (including popular trans gems) and gcps are gonna go up in price now

[split maple]

That was rly niche tho

[tranquil sedge]

if the corruption coins are cheap enough

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[full kraken]

Delve also looks very fun but luckily delve and bestiary synergize

[tranquil sedge]

wdym locking corrupted items

[hexed mountain]

going to have to farm exarch altar in ssf

[split maple]

For mythic orb

[hexed mountain]

to have the gcp reserves to fish for imbued

[split maple]

Could print +PC willclash etc

[tranquil sedge]

huh
interesting

[coral summit]

mythic orb or synth adorned jewels

[full kraken]

I kinda might do delve this league start

[tranquil sedge]

i feel like that's not enough to wreck the market on its own, should be fine

[split maple]

But like almost no one knew that + barely anyone did that

[tranquil sedge]

with delve being exclusive fossil source now, i suppose this is probably as good a league as ever to try delve yeah

[split maple]

Wdym with synth adorned

[full kraken]

With harbys dead I need a better exp strat

[coral summit]

you could beastlock to see what corrupts hit

to see if it eats your delve implicit or not

[split maple]

Yeah but thats not beastlocking corrupted item

[hexed mountain]

imbued are basically a trans gem sink now lab enjoyers will make bank

[tranquil sedge]

wait
does that mean tujen is nerfed again now?

[coral summit]

o did i misread

[split maple]

That's beastlocking for vaal orb result

[tranquil sedge]

if u cannot get resonators or fossils outside of delve lmao?

[coral summit]

and yeah

tujen nerfed

[tranquil sedge]

dude expedition keeps catching nerfs i s2g

[split maple]

While mythic orb you actually apply beastlock to corrupted item which felt like it rly shouldn't work (and now don't)

[full kraken]

Expedition maybe needs a rework at this point

[tranquil sedge]

gwennen is useless, rog is near useless, tujen keeps taking strays league after league

and dannig only has value if the others have value

[wanton plank]

are you confident this is going to be mystic refractor?

[tranquil sedge]

jfc lol

[coral summit]

yeeeah i think its legit

a block expedition angle

[tranquil sedge]

its legit more useful to ssf than trade now

[coral summit]

cuz at this point the value is just from the rare runic monsters

being able to be juiced up

[full kraken]

I hope a new runegraft impacts twisters well

[icy zinc]

imbued gems SHALL COOK

kinetic blast + returning proj

think even lvl 1 gmp is good

[tranquil sedge]

especially tujen who lost value from losing most stacked decks and stuff a few leagues ago

like faustus means bubblegum hits price floor sooner rather than later

logbooks aren't even worth running after 2-3 weeks honestly

[hexed mountain]

unless its changed yes , the icon is mystic refractor

[coral summit]

weeks?

[wanton plank]

speakinf of reliquarian, i hope they will have forbidden variants

[icy zinc]

35% less vs 25% less on gmp 1-21

[coral summit]

do u mean days now?

[icy zinc]

bit rough

[steel light]

wasn't tujen being the only good one compared to the 2 since merc league after they nerf gwenn again?

[full kraken]

I don't understand why ggg didnt move the merc gems to just be trans gems, its the same thing design wise

[tranquil sedge]

well depends on how much div/hr ur happy with

[tranquil sedge]

tujen's okay, like his div/hr running logbooks is like 5-10d range early on

but a lot of that is bubblegum

[full kraken]

I also despise the fact ggg made replica uniques 2 with keepers

[hexed mountain]

tujen might be a solid GCP farm

[tranquil sedge]

not really

well in ssf i guess maybe idk

[steel light]

just get good and roll a mirror 🙂

[full kraken]

This thing of making the same thing again but rebranded is annoying cuz it steps on the feet of existing content

[hexed mountain]

well they removed fossils so it will roll more of the other stuff

[tranquil sedge]

i have legitimately run thousands of logbooks lol over a few leagues

never even seen a shard

[stone tundra]

Who played chains of command?

[hexed mountain]

i did once

probably 10 years ago

[stone tundra]

Oh

[icy zinc]

animated weapon is kinda nice

[stone tundra]

It is pretty nice all rounder right?

It can do all content and mechanics?

[placid inlet]

Yeah

It eats bosses and with a gem swap you get really nice clear

[steel light]

command lost

[stone tundra]

Gem swap?

You mean ring swap?

[split maple]

Maybe this is the league I run enough lab for emperor jewels

[hexed mountain]

actually 6 years ago i played it the same league as ziz

[split maple]

Just for mass qualitying up gems to corrupt -.-

[tranquil sedge]

this would actually be a really good league to lab farm

[stone tundra]

I'm considering to start poison srs and after getting currency for voidforge change into CoC

[tranquil sedge]

coz you also need a lot of gems lol for corruption with coins

[visual stream]

GCP gonna be sky rock in used next league

[split maple]

Kboc practically needs fork corrupt to compensate for refraction

[placid inlet]

No i mean animate weapon (of poison) swapping from single target to pierce + unleash i think

[split maple]

Labbers gonna eat good printing these

[tranquil sedge]

yea but also gonna need bigly supply of coins in ssf so

gonna have to see how it goes

[onyx adder]

The problem i have with lab as a strat is some days u wake up check the layout and go back to bed

[visual stream]

lab runner when there a gold door

[split maple]

I am rly unhappy with a fat bunch of changes for ssf

[onyx adder]

Look man

[tranquil sedge]

or depends on how willing you are to run worse layouts and watch a movie as you do it

[onyx adder]

Sometimes we have better things to do ok

[tranquil sedge]

hahahah

[split maple]

Conversion scarb rly didn't need a nerf

[tranquil sedge]

it didn't but someone's got to take the stray bullets

[hexed mountain]

wait i didnt even think about it but NO mention of alva on patch note?

[split maple]

Evo scarb in bugfix section

[hexed mountain]

ah yes

just checked they bugfixed

would have been weird

[split maple]

This weekend some folks not even running alvas with it anymore tho

Just poping magic packs in maps

More finnicky but +2 scarb slots flexible

[hexed mountain]

could just do settlers magic scarab too

[split maple]

And still get fractured mob chaining

[cobalt blade]

is it just killing normal mobs that caused it to break or what

[split maple]

So can run shit like 2x evo 2x Nemesis 1x wisp

[split maple]

Doubleclick evo shrine to get stacked effect + rare mobs fracture is the fundamental part

Everything Else is Just how to get enough magic mobs together to start the chain

[cobalt blade]

yeah i mean with killing mobs before entering the alva it seemed to cause it to break (which i also tried just to be sure after someone mentioned it)

[full kraken]

The gut punch of another nerf to heist is ow

[cobalt blade]

whats the heist nerf ?

[split maple]

Idk rly how this brick scenario doesn't proc now yea

[tranquil sedge]

The Follow-Through Notable Cluster Jewel Passive now grants Projectiles deal 20% increased Damage with Hits and Ailments for each remaining Chain, up to 100% (previously 15% increased with no cap)
this is a kick in the teeth honestly

[full kraken]

Heist feels almost unplayable now unless you long term gamba on the stupid morbillion $$$ jewellery

[tranquil sedge]

rip pconc/pcob players lole
and cobra lash players too

[icy zinc]

poison concoction of bouncingless

[cobalt blade]

hmm

[full kraken]

Removal of map device mods

[split maple]

Why else do heist

[full kraken]

Thats the whole problem, I hate that heist has devolved to scratching 10,000 lotto tickets

[icy zinc]

conc of bouncing was nice as an attack right click since it also leeches per hit and hit a lot

but man

[tranquil sedge]

doesn't the currency/div chests and tailoring/tempering/etc orbs add up

[split maple]

That's a rly fair Point tho

[cobalt blade]

this is fully offset by the increased smugglers chance on tree

[thick goblet]

apparently barely affects pconc but kills cobra lash

[full kraken]

If I wanted to do that Id save myself time and ancient orb belts

[icy zinc]

wonder if it poison conc of bouncing could ever work with cast on crit

[full kraken]

Its like super bleh div/hr even with like +800% movespeed and suicide trick

[tranquil sedge]

as an aside, normal pconc also needs a buff since forever dude, that skill is dead content as soon as u hit a pconc of bouncing in labs, it uses way too many charges

[cobalt blade]

i really dont like it consuming a charge per proj for regular

its so dead with that late game

[full kraken]

Its not, then map device mod was +2 entire caches

[thick goblet]

oh yeah regular pconc sucks

[cobalt blade]

it was 3 but like thats alot of baseline chance

[full kraken]

The buffs to the atlas nodes are much less than +2/map

[cobalt blade]

ill go count how much since im bored though

[full kraken]

Its still net less per map by a decent chunk

[icy zinc]

poison concoction of boucing cast on crit ice spear

[tranquil sedge]

fwiw i think its kinda cool that there's enough fun bases (all the ring and amulet variants + other things) to get outta it

if heist gets a buff at some point would be cool to see a lot more bases with rare enchants spawn i think to bump up the div/hr and also improve crafting base supply

[full kraken]

Only the last 2 matter

[split maple]

That 5->15% for 6 caches is kinda mmm

Okay not worried anymore

[full kraken]

The top one is only like +16% chance so thats +0.16 caches/map avg

[full kraken]

Thats an avg of +0.6 only

[onyx adder]

Thats accurate, its really bad for ele cobra lash but less bad for poison since those guys have strong alternative options for cluster notables

[icy zinc]

this is insane tbh

15% to get 6 smuggles

[split maple]

Enter map, check if proced, abandon map. More caches per hour

[full kraken]

And the 2 smalls are avg of +0.2

[icy zinc]

LIKE LOW TOLERANCE

*knee slap

[stray sedge]

Dann that's a lot of heist caches

[full kraken]

Heist caches were only about 8% of my profit/map

[tranquil sedge]

those guys have strong alternative options for cluster notables
thats a fair take ig

[full kraken]

Its not its a net loss

[split maple]

Yeah your particular version of strat Got nerfed

Big deal

[stray sedge]

Oh?

[cobalt blade]

its about an extra 90% chance to contain a smugglers cache excluding the 15% chance for 6

[tranquil sedge]

15% for 6 adds what, +0.9 stash/map?

-# over baseline 1, that is at least?

[icy zinc]

4 buffed lines for heists, net loss btw 🤧

[stray sedge]

I guess you're losing map device mod

[split maple]

It's only a nerf if you actually do maps that don't proc

[cobalt blade]

smth like that

[full kraken]

We took a -2/map hit and gained only +0.16+0.2+0.6 %[= a total of +0.96

So a net loss of -1.04 caches/map

Though..

The +2/map cost... 4c? So I guess we get that +0.96/map without spending 4c/map so I guess its vaguely okay

[tranquil sedge]

what's the +0.6 coming from

[full kraken]

10% x +6

So avg of +0.6

[tranquil sedge]

oh right its going 5 -> 15

[full kraken]

But yeah I guess we save 4c/map

So its okay I guess

[short prairie]

[cobalt blade]

yea i mean it seems fine imo your average profit should go up too higher chance for +6 increases the value of this alot

[tranquil sedge]

and depending on how you run the maps (clear vs not clear) maybe save a bit on buying maps too since now its generic blank maps

[full kraken]

Betrayal was by far way better div/hr

[split maple]

Senses are you worried about tomorrow

[full kraken]

Thats a pretty good point actually

[cobalt blade]

yaaa

[full kraken]

I only paid 1c/map before anywho

[icy zinc]

whos the green guy

[short prairie]

What’s happening tomorrow

[stray sedge]

There isn't a scarab for it either huh

[split maple]

Reliquarian reveal

[short prairie]

[visual stream]

they better also release a bunch of gems number also plz

i need number to cooking

[short prairie]

I’m not worried, already know terminus is in the class

[split maple]

What part of terminus tho

Would be hilarious if it wasn't frenzy

[full kraken]

I ran:

• bestiary
• betrayal
• threads
• heist
• ores (for chance at svalinn)
• delve splash (traveling by and it was nice to take delve breaks for fun)

For my setup and it shit out so much value/hr

[short prairie]

Frenzy on crit most likely

[visual stream]

probarly the gain frenzy one

[full kraken]

With my build at top performance I was clocking in at like 32~35 div/hr

[visual stream]

i mean beside that terminus dont really have other unquie stat

[cobalt blade]

i wanna see the grace of the goddess/brass dome numbers

[icy zinc]

trying cooking without butter

[thick goblet]

probably wednesday

[cobalt blade]

those seem pretty legit

[visual stream]

that too long :(((

[onyx adder]

I still believe in widowhail

[thick goblet]

yeah looks good for kf with warped timepiece

[final owl]

heresy

[cobalt blade]

if they nerf it below 100% eh

[cobalt blade]

ye i was looking into that warped is pretty good

[onyx adder]

It will be buffed trust

[icy zinc]

lol poison concoction of bouncing is pretty funny with cast on crit

[cobalt blade]

if they buff it i might consider a sparker reliquarian

[visual stream]

probarly cause 100% is quite absurd

[cobalt blade]

big ass proj speed

[onyx adder]

Really slow skills can be funny like that

[full kraken]

I feel like I care way more about the defenses my ascendancy gives than dps tbh

[onyx adder]

Bladestorm is similar

[cobalt blade]

and its an ascendancy point at 50% imo taking a pasive point b eats it

which reliq can do

[icy zinc]

i added gmp and it benefits both pcob and icespear

🤣

[full kraken]

Considering several ascendancies to pick from provide some of the biggest sources of tankiness in the game, I inherently benchmark any other ascendancy against that atm

[icy zinc]

9 chains

ah well

[cobalt blade]

also need to bench mark it against taking bloodlines

[full kraken]

Thats true

[cobalt blade]

albiet a bit sketchier on reliq since you have to drop jewellery for that

[icy zinc]

ice spear of splitting was nicer for clear ig

[elder marlin]

Guys whats ur prediction for the "shrine go brrrrr" belt droprate?

[full kraken]

Like atm gladiator sorta seems hard to beat with 99% block chance

[hexed mountain]

5% BUT can't be rolled with divines

[cobalt blade]

100% drop rate only unique onthe boss surely

[split maple]

Depends on if they gonna be divinable or no

[visual stream]

probarly tier 0.5

[hexed mountain]

so 95% of them will be piss shrines

[elder marlin]

Surely 🙂

[full kraken]

Im gonna guess the new belt is gonna be a shako situation

[elder marlin]

Prob not

[visual stream]

doubt so

[icy zinc]

shako is 10c

[hexed mountain]

if you can divine it they may make it 2%

[split maple]

Then they can make them common and weighted

[icy zinc]

so you can vendor 3 to get new one

[final owl]

low chance of good combo will mean good shrine belt = $$$$$ imo

[thick goblet]

im guessing it'll be similar to og svallin drop rate
but the shrine weightings will be dogshit

[hexed mountain]

or maybe they will make the belt possible to divine and 20% drop rate to apologize for keepers league

[split maple]

Like if we can divine the shrine I don't mind the drop rate being ass, if we cannot I sure do

[visual stream]

its still could be common but rolls shirne on it have wieght

[elder marlin]

Accel+res go for mirror+ for sure

[full kraken]

not buying a 30c shako with perfect ES

Pfft

[icy zinc]

svalinn appear on valdo more pls

[onyx adder]

I dont want it to be divineable tbh

[full kraken]

Gotta spam 150 divines on shakos like I did and profit +30div

[cobalt blade]

they could make it like watchers eyes so you cant 3:1

[onyx adder]

100% use rate items kinda boring

[split maple]

If it's not divinable make it like 20% drop rate pls

[icy zinc]

the shrine belt was a mistake

[onyx adder]

Copium

[cobalt blade]

shrine belt is goated

another mageblood competitor is cool

[icy zinc]

nothing in poe is scary enough to need that much power

[visual stream]

man i wish ggg buff some unpopular skills to make the league abit more chaos seem like my wish too hard

[icy zinc]

introduce t18 maps with 2k delve depths scaling

[cobalt blade]

i assume you havent touched valdos

or deep delve

[icy zinc]

cluegi

[onyx adder]

Yea for sure but if its mageblood competition it should probably be mageblood rarity

[full kraken]

Im confused what's so good about the shrine belt compared to mb

Repeat shrine seems theoretically juicy

[cobalt blade]

i assume it will be in terms of rolls

[icy zinc]

100% crit on anything even heralds that got 0% base crit

[split maple]

If it's divinable sure

[icy zinc]

herald of ice will proc itself

[full kraken]

Oh thats true its good for Herald chaining

[cobalt blade]

50% action speed already beats what you get from flasks and then res shrine gives you the same max res

from accel shrine

[full kraken]

Res shrine and diamond shrine prolly best then

[cobalt blade]

similar for echoing shrine but feels like ass on some skills

[visual stream]

the number is quite insane

[cobalt blade]

diamond shrines good but i think action beats it for alot of skills

[umbral crag]

Acceleration, echoing, all these are potentially insane too

[visual stream]

its would be more buff than mb if u land the good one

[cobalt blade]

repleneshing's also one im a believer in

it enables indigon on spell builds with some mana regen rate investment

so your now getting 2 damage mods from your belt

[icy zinc]

gull to scale diamond shrine

xd

[cobalt blade]

btw this doesnt work

[elder marlin]

Well then its gonna be 1/1000 for sure

[cobalt blade]

we know from golden charlatan players

[split maple]

Diamond shrine practically lets fishing rod builds dual wield graces instead

[elder marlin]

Mb level of rare

[gentle chasm]

Belt is only useful if you have acceleration

[split maple]

That will be some fun fun explosions

[icy zinc]

50% charge on hit god damn

[full kraken]

Actually diamond shrine and AOE shrine might be the take tbh

[visual stream]

good to know cause its seem abit to op with that stat

[umbral crag]

I think only is a bit of a stretch, but definitely the jackpot imo

[cobalt blade]

ya

[gentle chasm]

Compared to the alternatives without it youre just slow

[full kraken]

100% inc aoe 100% inc life is pretty huge for HoI chain build

[icy zinc]

no shot belt rolls acceleration and echoing under gull and blunderbore

[hexed mountain]

most shrines combo obliterate rare belts , a few nukes mageblood

[cobalt blade]

disagree see leap slam jugg's if you can control the echoing you dont need move speed from accel