1┃general

[gritty epoch]

Betting all in on unknown interactions, how daring

[tight plinth]

i think theyd have worded it as copy of your weapon instead of stats of your minion

[atomic crane]

Buy me a bird

[tight plinth]

well not all, but a lot

[hard cliff]

that's illegal

slavery

[tight plinth]

heres your bird

[dense rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bachelorinparadise-season-5-intro-vxNidleNNWEjhn2cXh

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-ceiling-fan-gif-24842920

[hoary scarab]

banned

[hard cliff]

bird fan

[hoary scarab]

if toucan, you can

[stoic horizon]

trading isnt allowed smh

[fierce rock]

WTB bird, WTS my soul

[tranquil sedge]

two can play at that game

[dense rock]

you do know birtrds are worth far more than a mere soul?

[dense rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/GeorgeLongovitis-flow-george-longovitis-pantheon-Vqc3TpEmvSN4p2sRQG

[fierce rock]

so if KF doesn't get nerfed, is KF totems the smoothest way to level for any class that can do it?

cause i see people saying it basically walks through campaign with its eyes closed

[opal ingot]

messiah login

[normal hedge]

STAND

[hard cliff]

you can just link the video...

[opal ingot]

im gatekeeping thelink

[hard cliff]

good point

I will join you

[opal ingot]

why manaforge la for ST damage?

shock?

doesnt storm rain do that?

what am i not seeing that the messiah sees

[hard cliff]

ewww trinity

[split maple]

Isn't mfa la more of a clear aid

[opal ingot]

yeah but he specifically says in the video "to help with ST we use la and ensnaring arow"

maybe interaction with tornado? since he has it on COC

[split maple]

Well no matter what you put on mfa you can call it a tad of st aid :p

[opal ingot]

why not storm rain

[hoary scarab]

another snoobait build

[opal ingot]

you just dont see the messiah's vision

[split maple]

Idk I would consider rain too

[opal ingot]

4k phys hit 1 trillion magic find

[normal hedge]

wait a second

[hoary scarab]

you dont either it seems

[opal ingot]

i am making an attempt to see it

[normal hedge]

hes counting the return proj is 100% more dmg

ICANT

[opal ingot]

while you remain ignorant mocking the messiah

i am the sheep he is about to herd

you are the wolf

[worldly wind]

you might be able to see the messiah's vision, but can you see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch

[opal ingot]

or something

[hoary scarab]

[hard cliff]

is it for shock or does it not hit hard enough

[dense rock]

I am so close to just going "fuck it" and league starting RF oros flicker 😄

[opal ingot]

storm rain hits harder and is also lightning

the vision

[worldly wind]

i just want to play unnerfed splitting steel

[true falcon]

I'm so blind without PoB

[whole bluff]

Same. I just jam my head first in the mixer anyway

[lucid gale]

[hoary scarab]

just go new ignite sword with flicker

trust

[spice pecan]

i just want to play some attack based champion but it's all EA/KF

[hoary scarab]

whats stopping you from making an impale build

[spice pecan]

i can't make builds

[hoary scarab]

you'll be fine

[spice pecan]

not really

[hoary scarab]

its trial and error

[spice pecan]

i have the widest disconnect between game knowledge and actually using that knowledge to make something

[hoary scarab]

dont let the fomo take over you, its ok to not run fully juiced

[spice pecan]

brother

[hard cliff]

bro I know that feel

[spice pecan]

i cannot make a build that functions in campaign

[normal hedge]

rolling magma til lv 100

[hoary scarab]

thats hilarious

[normal hedge]

then you swap

[spice pecan]

but also, i don't like builds that have to play into maps before swapping to the build you actually want to play

[opal ingot]

holy shit

[spice pecan]

so i force main skill as soon as you get it

[opal ingot]

reverse pob warrioring

[hard cliff]

I just use random parties on the notice board to get through campaign

we're a team

[hoary scarab]

i just use a pile of corpses to get through campaign

[spice pecan]

i'm good at following instructions, not making them

tbh

[lucid gale]

[fierce rock]

is this not how everyone does it? this is definitely my usual method no matter my build

[opal ingot]

ok turns out his script is wrong

the bossing shows storm rain, and his pob has storm rain instead of LA

[hard cliff]

I dunt mind if you swap as you hit maps and the tree change isn't much but yeah I'm not playing to 85 to swap into something I don't even know if I will like

[spice pecan]

its actually one of the most frustrating things about poe for me

[opal ingot]

he is the messiah

[hard cliff]

ai strikes again

[spice pecan]

is i feel like i know a fair bit about the game after 6k hours yet i can't make a random skill work in campaign

[hoary scarab]

pretty hard to do for the HC players, so not everyone

[opal ingot]

i am getting those kinds of vibes with his script

[lucid gale]

[true falcon]

League Launch HCSSF, die to Rhoa, SCSSF

[opal ingot]

but eh who cares

[fierce rock]

campaign is just the least interesting part of the game to me, so i never really got that good at it either

[hard cliff]

i was mostly joking but he does have a very even and corporate speaking style but maybe that's just how he operates IRL

the build looks good though

[fierce rock]

and idk how many hours i have but it's a lot

[spice pecan]

i can run campaign in 5 hours with a build made by someone who isn't me

[hoary scarab]

gauntlet campaign was fun tbh

[lucid gale]

Different strokes for different folks.

[spice pecan]

so it's not an issue of not being good at it

it's an issue of having zero creativity and inability to find interactions that i already know exist

[true falcon]

I like gauntlet, I did not like enrage

[hard cliff]

that's my massage parlour slogan

[lucid gale]

I'm also in the camp of understanding how things work but not conjuring a coherent build up from scratch or bones.

[spice pecan]

yeah, it's a mood for sure

[hoary scarab]

zao, make me a build

[opal ingot]

is there a way in pob to change all configurations at once?

[spice pecan]

the other part for me is that if i try to make a build or something, the second i post it it will get absolutely shit on

[true falcon]

I make like 50 PoBs until one randomly has 2 mil dps with just a weapon

[opal ingot]

i have to change by skillset, items, and configuration

[spice pecan]

so like what's even the point

[opal ingot]

no one button

[hoary scarab]

only 2m?

[fierce rock]

the point is just keep the builds that you think/know are OP to yourself and let everyone think they suck while you get giga OP

[lucid gale]

Scion, default attack. Draw the rest of the owl.

[true falcon]

yeah, I'm too lazy to min-max more than that

[fierce rock]

i'm gonna play a build that everyone for some reason thinks is dead/severely nerfed, but i know enough to know it's actually still great

[opal ingot]

ah shit i was wrong

turns out he has 2 manaforged setups la and ensnaring, AND COC for storm rain

[hoary scarab]

ok, using the new self ignite sword and running

[lucid gale]

Are you looking for something like the Loadouts feature in the top right?

[hard cliff]

You're missing the lake for the trees

You post your build claiming it's super good. Then whenever everyone tears it down and says how it sucks you steal all the criticism and make it even better

[spice pecan]

like for anyone that's actually made a decent build, do you start with the endgame goal and then work backwards to early gear or do you start with an idea and try to make the progression to an endgame state make sense

[void oasis]

any cool pobs outt here with that new belt?

[stoic shore]

Wonder how hard it’ll be to get

[hoary scarab]

yeah thats murphies law

[karmic gust]

yea put it on any build, build improved

ez build with new belt

[fierce rock]

i see what fubgun is doing, change one thing about it and then call it my "new" build

[opal ingot]

aw crap nice. thanks hero

[true falcon]

I hope unencumbered is a 3.29 Relaquarian thing

[spice pecan]

funny but that was a genuine question

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[tight iris]

always start with the goal u can always make it work somehow until u get there lmaoo

[hard cliff]

I'm not making a joke

[spice pecan]

that wasn't in response to you

[hoary scarab]

its probably better than MB if you use nameless bloodline

[karmic gust]

yea i always start with proper setup and after that you can see how viable it is at lower gear levels

[fierce rock]

when i try to make a build i generally start with a cool interaction/item/idea i want to build around, and then figure out how to get there

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/farewell-cat-stairs-staircase-sliding-gif-11764750500440013441

[karmic gust]

and if its not then well you will know by dropping stuff in pob

[tight iris]

voltaxic rift got me hyped up

[hoary scarab]

funny cause chat means cat in french

[karmic gust]

really? it still looks like garbage to me

inversed res is like -30 extra over despair

[tight iris]

expedition mobs are curse immune a lot

[hard cliff]

do French cats smoke as much as French people

[karmic gust]

and you lose the 300% shock

[tight iris]

and often times are like 80%+ chaos res

[void oasis]

For sure, I’m trying to find cool build ideas with it, it’s so tuff

[opal ingot]

whats a non pob warrior number for COUNTS in blast rain?

[karmic gust]

and capping voltaxic shock is alreayd had even with it

[hoary scarab]

its good for any build really, nothing specific

[stoic shore]

how hard is it to get a widowhail at league start

[hoary scarab]

its gonna replace MB for the endgame belt

[karmic gust]

it literally has 100% overlap wym non pob warrior

it fires th rains on top of eachother there isnt even rly a spread

on that note blast rain is just worse barrage

[hoary scarab]

yes

[karmic gust]

so no reason to use it because they forgot to buff the gem when they were buffing barrage

xd

[normal hedge]

last league i got a 248% for 15c during campaign

[fierce rock]

if accel shrine is an option for the belt i don't see how that won't be the best belt in the game

[hoary scarab]

15c in the campaign? rich boy

[karmic gust]

i guess exped got giga buffed so yea maybe its good for it

[blazing spear]

mageblood?

[karmic gust]

but for like regular build

its such a downgrade

[fierce rock]

i'd take permanent accel shrine + resistance shrine over MB tbh

[true falcon]

PoB needs a clippy that sees me type "50% increased mark effect" and is like "did you mean 50% increased effect of your marks?"

[tight iris]

yea might do a lil blight of contagion wid it

these mobs got chaos res out the ass

[hoary scarab]

the belt is better than MB if you use namlesss bloodline

[blazing spear]

pob is foss

[rocky glade]

So what will be the other shitty unique that the new endgame boss is going to drop 90% of the time

[blazing spear]

nothing stops you from making it

[fierce rock]

accel shrine is 50% ACTION speed, so every single thing your character does is at 1.5x speed

[karmic gust]

wait i dont think it will even work, or not 100% sure it will

the mod might be local

[blazing spear]

nvm it's better than mb

[tight iris]

shiii

gotta figure that out ig

[karmic gust]

and even if it isnt local

the res inversion is always hits

never dots

would be weird to have exception here

[tight iris]

its fried then

https://tenor.com/view/angry-phone-call-mark-baum-steve-carell-the-big-short-shouting-gif-20321920

[rocky glade]

Like what does Suspend in Time even do

[tight iris]

idk if im playing a hit build

non crit

[rocky glade]

Only DPS wise

[dusty mesa]

its gonna be like Destiny Strand :xdd:

[true falcon]

Add a shrine that makes your ignites deal damage 100% more faster

[rocky glade]

MB is ultimately still the better belt because it alone solves like 90% of your gearing problems

[hoary scarab]

suspends time

[opal ingot]

pauses the game

[true falcon]

All of my gearing problems are solved with 50% more action speed

[hoary scarab]

eh, the belt also allows you to go +1 ring without a real downside

[rocky glade]

Screams is just gonna push your clear/dps to the maximum

[pliant valley]

how many days before league do we get filterblade update on average?

[rocky glade]

With permanent uptime, unlike HH

[pliant valley]

i wanna get crankin on it

[true falcon]

Night before usually

Or the day of

[opal ingot]

what are yalls levelling filter strictness

[pliant valley]

uber strict act 1

[opal ingot]

i realized mine was too strict cuz i needed to pick up random unid-d rares and magic for currency

[fierce rock]

i keep it on the loosest setting possible until it starts to annoy me, then i bump it up a notch

and i keep doing that all league until i'm on uber strict+

[opal ingot]

i do that for maps but i want to spend as little time on acts XD

so might as well gather info from peiple who can clear acts in sub 5 hour

[pliant valley]

I play uber that shows some bubble gum,shows oils and hides 1-13 tier maps

and i highlight flasks for crafting cuz its free money

[opal ingot]

mhmm

[split maple]

Smh like semi strict + make 2 handed bases, whetstones and rustic belts tinks

[fierce rock]

there's also specific leveling filters

[pliant valley]

oh i hid high bases this league too lol

[split maple]

Then in maps go asap to Uber strict plus with some modifications

[pliant valley]

no point with tree

[whole bluff]

Saw Sirgog vid about chaos crashing. I won't mind if chaos crashes. Chaos crafting isn't that bad?

It's just more expensive than it's worth?

[pliant valley]

what chaos roll?

[split maple]

Idk how easy campaign gearing gonna be with no weapons on tree + Gold gamba nerfed, so pobing just vendor recipe axes

[whole bluff]

Better pay that chaos for harvest juice and roll on horticrafting station

Etc

But chaos always should floor at their usefulness?

[split maple]

Chaos has some use like for 12p clusters

[pliant valley]

its less deterministic i think

[split maple]

If you have two nontargetable mods

Can Just chaos spam on fraced base into fbl exalt

[blazing spear]

i used chaos on my influ simplex

[split maple]

Yeah simplex/focused mandate chaos almost, tho some folks prefer hortibench and essences

Did they mention anywhere if nightmare maps will be chaos only or no?

[blazing spear]

they're not

[whole bluff]

If yellow was 5:1c, would you yellow juice for like amethyst rings or just spam chaos orbs?

[split maple]

Gonna be pretty big chaos value change then

No good sinks

[pliant valley]

Its not like they are giga juice like they were so i assume not

[blazing spear]

gcp might be the main currency

[split maple]

Tho having chaos cheap is good, makes rolling maps less clicky than scour-alch even with qol

[blazing spear]

or it will be something like 1d/20ex, and ex being the low value currency

[stoic shore]

😮

[tight plinth]

now they buffed currency, im expecting 2 divs by act 7

[pliant valley]

lol

I hope they didint go too overboard with changes tbf

[blazing spear]

lol. lmao even

[ebon tendon]

Cluegi

[tight plinth]

has any of your favorite streamers cooked up anything good?

im looking for inspirations

[grizzled lily]

my goat peuget made a kf selfcast

im gonna run that prob

[tight plinth]

i bet its very tonky

[grizzled lily]

kind of

[past rain]

how do people move in town with vendor window open

[grizzled lily]

but peuget never dissapoints me

[tight plinth]

its timing

you click vendor and move before the window pops up

[grizzled lily]

same as pressing on the portal and taking smth from the ground, its all about latency

poe servers are doodoo enough to have that latency quite easily

[tight plinth]

there are also shortcuts to open the buy menu, i think its ctrl click

[brazen vector]

I will pee BEFORE league start

[past rain]

what site is this

[tight plinth]

alesia

[brazen vector]

Caasi?

[grizzled lily]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rg42la/made_an_extension_that_tells_you_which/

[tight plinth]

i need inspiration for what to play

inspire me

[brazen vector]

Shattershard with shrine stacking occultist!

[tight plinth]

isnt that for you boyfriend?

[brazen vector]

yea

I am also still not sure

[tight plinth]

wait am i your...

😳

[brazen vector]

ballistae are cringe

[brazen vector]

FRIEND? yes :3

[tight plinth]

friendo

[crisp obsidian]

ooof

zone'd

[opal ingot]

kf ballista hierophant looks op

[past rain]

cringe

[opal ingot]

^^

[tight plinth]

you has pob?

[opal ingot]

if you play kf ballista levelling you are cringe

[tight plinth]

dont care

[opal ingot]

no but you can check jung's 5 hour 2 voidstone or palsteron

[tight plinth]

they can cringe all they want while i bathe in divines

[fossil mural]

Saying "doing x thing is cringe" is whats actually cringe

[opal ingot]

im just memeing around lol

why would i suggest something then say its cringe

[fossil mural]

Why would you subject him to that torture

[opal ingot]

if i unironically think so

[tight plinth]

bro what is this pathing 😭

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-exile-poe-logout-gif-10657631706166814450

[fossil mural]

Based

[opal ingot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj

[hard cliff]

I agree

[livid quarry]

pathing of exile

[hard cliff]

very bad build nobody should league start it

[fossil mural]

Is this crit nodes

In acts

[grizzled lily]

optimal

[hard cliff]

When you see something like this it's either going to be the most expensive overpowered build you ever played in your life or absolute trash no in between

[grizzled lily]

its

[empty bronze]

chat

[grizzled lily]

pal's kf

xdd

[empty bronze]

guess what achievement i got yesterday

[hard cliff]

welcome

[fossil mural]

Is it listening to all dialogue

Fully

[empty bronze]

no

[fossil mural]

Meh

[hard cliff]

yeah I'm not fucking playing this

[tight plinth]

its not, its from this youtube posted 2 days ago

[empty bronze]

i try to get that one done when i run leagues but i never managed it

[grizzled lily]

which?

[tight plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aruyjNVhGRA

[empty bronze]

i unlocked these at the same time

[fossil mural]

If you got it in a real build

[empty bronze]

i did

[fossil mural]

Nice

[empty bronze]

its arcanist brand raise zombies of falling

[fossil mural]

Oh yea that thing

I saw a pob saying mana is an issue now

[empty bronze]

well the build isnt set up for zombies, i was using eye of winter before

but i wanted to try out falling zombies

[empty bronze]

yeah im using eldritch battery

[hard cliff]

I would rather skip this league than play that pathing

[hoary scarab]

well you need to use the honourhome helmet now and you can still reach 0 mana

[grizzled lily]

pobing ballistas is so boring

[fossil mural]

I think playing them is boring too

[grizzled lily]

not really

[fossil mural]

Especially a delayed skill like kf

[grizzled lily]

its good

[hoary scarab]

what delay

[soft perch]

u guys wanna know a good build

[grizzled lily]

kf delay?

[hard cliff]

kf isn't delayed when you build less duration

[soft perch]

ele hit slayer

[hard cliff]

[grizzled lily]

ele hit xdd

[hoary scarab]

[grizzled lily]

ew

[empty bronze]

its a lot more visually impressive with eye of winter

[tight plinth]

ethical pob

[fossil mural]

Glacial swipe gladiator

[empty bronze]

also eye of winter gives you really good hp regen

[tranquil sedge]

not ticking valid configs is also unethical

[soft perch]

ele hit gladiator

glad in general is gonna have high playrate this league imo

[empty bronze]

you get any item with life gain on hit for spells and you just heal an absurd amount

[soft perch]

people are starting to believe

[hoary scarab]

Ele hit warden and we talking

[tranquil sedge]

downplaying pob = make build look worse = fewer people play = you profit with cheaper gear

truly unethical

[soft perch]

no warden is dogshit

[hoary scarab]

wich is why its fun

[grizzled lily]

consecrated path of endurance jugg

trust me

[tight plinth]

if i tick stuff, dps goes up

[fossil mural]

You mean damage is such a non issue now people can get away with asc that does none

[tranquil sedge]

tick tick tick

[soft perch]

no? azadis is just a broken item

and u can get bloodlines on glad

[grizzled lily]

glad is so bad

[hoary scarab]

still cant believe azadi didnt get nerfed in any ways

[grizzled lily]

idk what u can play on glad

[soft perch]

bro all these dance with death glads do insane damage and are running around with 97% block

[karmic gust]

ele hit varunastra glad could be something maybe ngl

[fossil mural]

Kf

[soft perch]

nah paradoxica still better

[karmic gust]

rip

[grizzled lily]

u mean champ

[soft perch]

if the breachlord bloodline goes live triple lucky damage goes crazy on ele hit

[fossil mural]

They didnt buff that thing, did they

[karmic gust]

no but the glad node is pretty good

i think?

[soft perch]

nah

[fossil mural]

Its nice yes

25 more area, 20 more crit

[small steeple]

I got a div from a random kingsmarch map device 😄

[fossil mural]

Accuracy is useless doe

[karmic gust]

doesnt it have any damage on it

ah just the ll

[soft perch]

15% more on avg and some crit

[brazen vector]

I just got 10 div from a map without div altar

[soft perch]

no it isnt

[soft perch]

its just varunastra is so bad

[fossil mural]

😩

[soft perch]

and the glad node is just ok

[fossil mural]

For ele hit why do you need it

[soft perch]

???

accuracy?

xd

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-staying-up-green-cat-alien-cat-late-night-gif-5170959918192209217

[soft perch]

cuz its an attack bro

[fossil mural]

Yes bruh

[karmic gust]

its attack so why would you not need accuacy lul

[brazen vector]

had to post a glorp since emotes are still disabled

[past rain]

W extension ty

[karmic gust]

and ele hit, even non penance mark ele hit, doesnt have slots for accuracy rolls

on gear

well outside of like 1 maybe

[soft perch]

all ele hits use unique jewellery and gloves

[karmic gust]

as you use the + lvl glove normally right

[soft perch]

ye

[karmic gust]

when not soutbound

[grizzled lily]

its really good

[fossil mural]

You go crit, so click the crit accuracy nodes

[empty bronze]

gleeple dorp

[fossil mural]

[karmic gust]

those nodes suck

[soft perch]

yes this is called an investment

[tranquil sedge]

oh what, ty

[soft perch]

and when u have 25% more accuracy u gain back those points

[tranquil sedge]

this looks super useful

[hard cliff]

do I still get on crit effects if I have ancestral bond?

[fossil mural]

Its also only 25%

[karmic gust]

yea

[soft perch]

what accuracy crit nodes anyway

eagle eye? its in narnia bro

[karmic gust]

eagle eye i assume

[soft perch]

aint nobody clicking that

its acuity and the sword crit at the bottom

[empty bronze]

arcanist brand lets eye of winter return so all of the like 32 projectiles can hit

[soft perch]

and maybe clusters

[hard cliff]

cats on crit is back on the menu boys

[fossil mural]

Bruh its right there

[empty bronze]

meow

[karmic gust]

yea this is somewhat old tech

issue is that it kinda needs nimis

or the sabo node i guess

[soft perch]

sir if ur not pathing directly by it its not worth clicking

[karmic gust]

because with returningprojs supp its still giga 0dps

[fossil mural]

Wouldnt weapon centric wheels worth clicking

[soft perch]

i said that

blade of cunning

[empty bronze]

your already playing sabo for triggerbots so its fine

[fossil mural]

If not then wtf is the point of varunashta

[empty bronze]

there is also returning projectiles support for before you get the node

its not as good damage but its useable

[past rain]

this also kinda exciting Added a new Intelligence Transfigured Skill Gem, Kinetic Fusillade of Detonation: Wave your wand to create multiple hovering kinetic projectiles. After a short duration, the projectiles explode, dealing area damage. Using this attack again will reset the duration for all hovering projectiles. Cannot be directly used by traps or mines.

[soft perch]

i mean not clicking acuity and the mastery is like +10% dps

[karmic gust]

yea the support is waht im talking about

[empty bronze]

this tickles my brain

[karmic gust]

its rly bad for this

sabo is ok

[empty bronze]

its not great but its decent

[tawdry olive]

casually identifying some bleed monster in the campaign

[empty bronze]

like its not ideal

[tawdry olive]

thanks lani reward

[soft perch]

the aoe on this would have to be so huge to ever be worth using

[opal ingot]

didn't somone get a baller lani reward too

[empty bronze]

but its fine for before you get the ascendancy node

[soft perch]

actually can you mine/trap kinetic fusillade

[opal ingot]

was it you @finite quail

[empty bronze]

uhhh

idk

[karmic gust]

you should be able to right

[past rain]

did they revert back to itemized memories? i didnt see this change

[karmic gust]

ah you cant

[soft perch]

o

[fossil mural]

25% more acc is def not enough to not click accuracy nodes. And if you click the acc nodes then you dont nees the 25% more cause it will cap anyway

[tranquil sedge]

eagon is itemized

[karmic gust]

i guess it makes sense because then its just free as fuck with locus otherwise

riht

[tranquil sedge]

not the old master mission stuff

[past rain]

ohhhhhhh

[fossil mural]

Actually

Are those gone?

[past rain]

what happened to memory beasts gg

[fossil mural]

The harvest stuff

[past rain]

5000000 div vivid watchers

[karmic gust]

(also no downside to duration)

[empty bronze]

no

[tranquil sedge]

fuck if i know but yea lol gl with harvest beasts

[soft perch]

accuracy is not as free as u think when u have no accuracy on gear

[tranquil sedge]

but like

we got astrolabes now

so i think there's prob a beastiary version of those

[empty bronze]

use sacred wisps with fusilade instead

[soft perch]

the transfig might be minable/trappable

somehow

[tranquil umbra]

use ballista totem with kf

[past rain]

95% of harvest beasts lowkey came from scouting reports...

[karmic gust]

hmm i guess that would give it an use

[past rain]

holy the market cookd

they better have added more chance

[karmic gust]

as otherwrise the transfig sounsd super useless

[tranquil sedge]

ik ik

[fossil mural]

It works the same, I doubt this is true

[tranquil sedge]

🤞 the astrolabes are enough

[fossil mural]

It just doesnt fly but instantly explodes

[karmic gust]

the prevention is only written on the gem

[soft perch]

it says multiple hovering projectiles

[karmic gust]

nothing else is stopping you

[soft perch]

so im assuming it has baseline +proj

[karmic gust]

it could have20 and i still wouldnt play melee wander ngl :d

[soft perch]

if the aoe is big its probably not bad

fusillade with spellslinger is already melee

[fossil mural]

If it has higher de and big area id play it tbh

[karmic gust]

with tornado? yea but i dont like that setup already

[soft perch]

fair enough

it is very fast though

[empty bronze]

hell yeah

[soft perch]

i was thinking of pobbing glad for that

with double lycia and thunderfists

can get 87% lightning as chaos or so

[empty bronze]

some of the poe skill gems could make cool dnd spells

[hard cliff]

@soft perch
run font of thunder

[dusty mesa]

wait 👀

[soft perch]

no

[dusty mesa]

too bad harby memories are gonna be gone either way

[fossil mural]

Run whispers

[hoary scarab]

@soft perch
run

[grizzled lily]

did they explain how we'll get the astrolabe?

[stray sedge]

Lol

[fossil mural]

Arent they just a random drop once you get the voidstone?

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lost-mind-share-this-cat-gif-10624429942940364630

[grizzled lily]

okaay

[fossil mural]

https://i.redd.it/eqiaqhdcellg1.gif

[tranquil umbra]

is cf + lifetap the ideal way to proc the champion adrenaline node

[hoary scarab]

have this cat instead

[grizzled lily]

imagine strongbox astrolabe 10 divs

if they can sell ofc

[stray sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-doctor-pigeon-doctor-walking-t-mobile-gif-7871406254764076813

[fossil mural]

Obviously you can sell them

[soft perch]

chat is this real

[stray sedge]

Me coming in to surgically create the perfect pob

[past rain]

waittttttt how do u add exarch/eater/maven to maps now

[tranquil umbra]

there are still buttons for them

[fossil mural]

Corrupting cry?

[past mantle]

Like this.

[grizzled lily]

brutus coming to kill another prisoner

[stray sedge]

gotta beat that mf with his own sceptre

[tranquil umbra]

this is not nearly enougb

[grizzled lily]

you mean his sprinkler

[hard cliff]

hey

[stray sedge]

yeah

[hard cliff]

I'm trying to figure this out also

[fossil mural]

Scolds on some absurdly high cost skill

[icy swan]

Can build without shield be immortal too ?

[soft perch]

u know i actually think im cooking with this melee kinetic fusillade glad setup

its like jungs champ setup

[past rain]

the free 8% quant also gone from map device g

[hard cliff]

melee?

[past rain]

🥀

[soft perch]

the new transfig

[fossil mural]

Trans version

[gritty epoch]

Define "immortal"

[hard cliff]

what's it do

[fossil mural]

You have no numbers

What are you cooking

[tranquil umbra]

it detonates without traveling

[soft perch]

fusillade is already good

[cerulean breach]

will this work with novamark runegraft / astral projector?

[thick goblet]

yeah that's the regular setup

[grizzled lily]

yea wth warstaffs

[fossil mural]

God knows what its actually like

[soft perch]

i mean

it probably has decent aoe and comes with its own added projectiles

[cerulean breach]

it probably won't work with astral projector since you are the targetted location

[soft perch]

doubt it

[cerulean breach]

however, I don't see why it wouldn't work with runegraft of the novamark

1. you have a marked target

2. the spell targets you

why wouldn't this wording apply?

[crisp obsidian]

it should work

[soft perch]

3. it says if possible so it might override

[crisp obsidian]

🤷‍♂️

[fossil mural]

Would be cool if it cast on cursor

[soft perch]

but ye i think the runegraft does work

[cerulean breach]

I think that just means line of sight / invulnerability etc

[soft perch]

since i think if possible implies something else

[dusk rune]

How do I sustain teleporting around on sorceress without using full inventory of mana pots

[soft perch]

this would be awful

[gritty epoch]

That gem has higher de than normal swt

[thick goblet]

wrong game

[dusk rune]

Do you know?

[cerulean breach]

about 23% higher base dmg as well

[drowsy eagle]

none of the words are even poe

[fossil mural]

Yes

[cerulean breach]

but I think it should work, and it makes kinda sense from a gameplay/thematic perspective

it shoots on you when running around, if you want something dead, mark it

[fossil mural]

I like cursor more

But then poe1 doesnt have wasd

So big l

[ebon tendon]

anyone know if power siphon interacts with tornado and hydrosphere

[hoary scarab]

use a mana flower to sustain your mana for you

[past rain]

trinity for chaos dmg?

[molten hazel]

is there way to make Wild Strike of Extremes only cost either mana or life ?

[cerulean breach]

why did they add a cooldown on this 😭

[fossil mural]

Life tap?

Or does that still cost es

[stray sedge]

Haven't looked at chieftain in so long, this node actually seems pretty gg

[gloomy talon]

i am thinking about GCF miner or heralds + something shrug

[molten hazel]

it does not mention taking away the es cost so doubt it will

[drowsy eagle]

cooldown recovery support

[cerulean breach]

solid for holy relic probably

[cerulean breach]

tbh cooldown on it is fine, but cooldown + limited amount of hits is not

[hoary scarab]

does it even matter

[cerulean breach]

it's just gonna be kinetic wall all over again

[cerulean breach]

yes, it hits 10 times then is gone

like kinetic wall, that combined with a cooldown is just not worth using

[hoary scarab]

it'll prolly be fine

[drowsy eagle]

you switch between wall and orb, now we have a gameplay

[tight plinth]

how much regen from flask was PF getting from master surgeon?

4k?

[drowsy eagle]

my best was 8k iirc

[tight plinth]

damn

[cerulean breach]

Storm Burst: Unleash orbs of energy while you channel that repeatedly jump towards the targeted location until their duration expires, dealing damage in small area after each jump. When you stop channelling, all remaining orbs explode, dealing higher damage in a larger area.

Storm Burst of Repulsion: Unleash orbs of energy while you channel that repeatedly jump away from the targeted location until their duration expires, dealing damage in a small area after each jump. When you stop channelling, all remaining orbs explode, dealing higher damage in a larger area.

how is this not absolutely garbage?

[drowsy eagle]

I took some nodes and the flask with fastest recovery

[cerulean breach]

why would I want a skill that active avoids hitting my target?

it means it's definitly out for totems and for self-cast you need to do some awkward cursor placement off from the enemy?

[karmic gust]

maybee it has higher de or higher aoe

or both

[cerulean breach]

I mean I assume so

but still

sounds mechanically terrible

[tight plinth]

maybe its a movement skill like flamedash

[violet topaz]

if you can scale aoe enough maybe they can all still hit the same target

[cerulean breach]

Kinetic Fusillade: Wave your wand to create a hovering kinetic projectile. After a short duration, the projectile is fired at an enemy, dealing area damage on impact and chaining to further targets. Using this attack again will reset the duration for all hovering projectiles. Multiple projectiles fired in sequence will attempt to target different enemies. Cannot be directly used by traps or mines.

Kinetic Fusillade of Detonation: Wave your wand to create multiple hovering kinetic projectiles. After a short duration, the projectiles explode, dealing area damage. Using this attack again will reset the duration for all hovering projectiles. Cannot be directly used by traps or mines.

I just realized

Kinetic Fusillade of Detonation isn't a projectile at all

[soft perch]

i think its channelling only no?

the cd

[cerulean breach]

as in, it won't shoot at enemies

[cerulean breach]

yes, but it still means you can't keep it up

with it limited to only 10 hits

[soft perch]

oh the skill has a cd itself

eww

[cerulean breach]

my idea was to use it 6l with a mjolner

but as soon as I saw cooldown + limited hits = dead

[tight plinth]

i didnt even know kf had a trans version

[elfin shale]

Itll probably be good for Storm Burst Decay

[cerulean breach]

it's new this patch

[cerulean breach]

if it hits at least once, probably yeah, fair enough

[cerulean breach]

so basically KF of detonation is melee channeling

so totems or bust I guess

[odd fox]

i think im gonna wait a day to see whats the drop rate of new unique belt is

[cerulean breach]

it won't drop the first day

[tight plinth]

cant wait to get lifetap on my skill so my build breaks

[hoary scarab]

its voltaxic burst

[cerulean breach]

pretty much yeah

[candid moon]

Does any site track rare/unique prices over time?

[karmic gust]

maybe it will work with mines/traps :d

[past rain]

did they say how to get to the Mirage Boss?

[hoary scarab]

but you can go KF of detonating with spell slinger lightning warp and go brr across the map

[cerulean breach]

literally read the description my dude

[elfin shale]

If you do the normal KF thing of making the duration shorter than attack time itll just be a normal melee attack

[opal ingot]

earn mirage points to enter the sands of time arena

[karmic gust]

oh did they already put it cant there

rip

[tight plinth]

[karmic gust]

was kinda hoping they will allow it because otherwise the skill sounds so garbage

[cerulean breach]

Flamethrower Trap: Throws a trap that releases a number of flames in different directions around it when triggered. The flames last for a duration, rotating around the trap and repeatedly dealing damage. Burning enemies are dealt more damage.

Flamethrower Trap of Stability: Throws a trap that releases a number of flames in different directions around it when triggered. The flames last for a duration repeatedly dealing damage.

wonder if this one has a cooldown

[tight plinth]

its wand skill thats melee?

[cerulean breach]

or whether it just doesn't rotate

[cerulean breach]

pretty much which sounds meh

[karmic gust]

blade blast of unloading

[hoary scarab]

depends entirely on how much the base aoe is

[karmic gust]

:d

[tight plinth]

ewe

[cerulean breach]

Shock Nova of Procession: Casts a ring of Lightning around you, followed by a larger Lightning nova. Each effect hits enemies caught in their area with Lightning Damage. This then repeats, with each repeat offset from the previous in the direction of your target.

tbh this thing sounds nutty with mines

[tight plinth]

that sounds so awful

[violet topaz]

it looked like a lot of fun in the trailer

[tight plinth]

yeah that thing overlaps 4x i think

[hoary scarab]

its supposed to be a self cast spell, i would expect it not being able to go into mines or totems

[tight plinth]

or will overlap with a bit of investment in aoe

[cerulean breach]

how do you know?

[hoary scarab]

interview iirc

[soft perch]

i think its better than youre giving it credit for especially for single target

[karmic gust]

well its basically built in spell echo

[soft perch]

fusillade is already quite melee

[karmic gust]

so it being focused on self cast more would mak sense

[tight plinth]

if its not flat out not gonna work with mines and totem, what its supposed to doesnt matter

[soft perch]

and its targetting sucks very quickly if youre trying to play at range and move around

[cerulean breach]

nothing an ancestral projector / novamark can't fix

[soft perch]

talking about fusillade

[cerulean breach]

although for ideal overlaps you'd not want the first hit to start centered on the mob

oh

I'm not a huge fan of fusillade

don't like the duration balancing act jank

[soft perch]

i like it cuz it becomes very zoom with lightning warp

but u need to be a wall

and lots of stuff around wands makes you not a wall

[past rain]

https://pobb.in/HAJs_OvCYPFR

warden lowk op

[soft perch]

yea its really good at doing a lot of damage to your mental because youre dying every map

[karmic gust]

well are you gonna play both fussilades at once? because if regular fussilade already does enough damage and this does more, and both still require reducidng duration i dont really see point in that

[past rain]

just build tanky

[karmic gust]

when you can just do regular fussilade that can clear and already does turbo damage

[cerulean breach]

I still think people are misunderstanding fusillade and not realizing tornado doubles your damage

[soft perch]

yea this is kind of my thoughts

[soft perch]

i still think a lot of people are misunderstanding tornado and not realising its not even close to double your damage on fusillade

[cerulean breach]

it is if you're melee

[soft perch]

no it isnt

fusillades projectile spread means like half of them miss the tornado directly in front of you

ive played fusillade twice, its very obvious that half your projectiles miss the tornado

or more

its also very weird on positioning

[tight plinth]

how long does tornado take in damage? 1.5seconds?

[toxic token]

Is there a change to get a armor/ energy armor body armor whith 6 blue sockets

[soft perch]

and fusillades aoe is not amazing if youre trying to hit a boss with the tornado aoe

[karmic gust]

yea, but less if you arestcaking reduced duration ofc

[soft perch]

its so much more clunky and worse than anyone wants to give it credit for

[tight plinth]

yeah thats where im getting at

[soft perch]

tornado is much better for like kboc and shit than fusillade

super overrated combo

[tight plinth]

wdym?

[nova thorn]

they removed kirac

[stoic horizon]

there were no changes regarding this stuff and i really doubt there will be any soon

[toxic token]

Oh so its just luck based

[tight plinth]

yeah

how many have you used so far?

[toxic token]

Like 68

[tight plinth]

it shouldnt be that many

[cerulean breach]

the tornado is on top of the enemy tho

[soft perch]

no it isnt

[stoic horizon]

well there always are some techniques which make it easier, check out the vorici calculator online to see

[cerulean breach]

arcanist brand - tornado - increased duration

[covert swan]

Socket colour crafting calculator: http://siveran.github.io/calc.html

[stoic horizon]

good bot

[soft perch]

your projectiles dont collide with a tornado if its on top of the enemy

they only collide with a tornado during its initial stage

[cerulean breach]

?? your projectiles are going towards the enemy

[tight plinth]

calc says average is 120

[cerulean breach]

and the tornado spawns on the enemy with arcanist brand

[soft perch]

they also dont chain from the boss to the tornado

[cerulean breach]

they pierce both

[soft perch]

they have to hit the tornado and then hit the boss

fusillade chains

it doesnt pierce

[karmic gust]

if you do pierce then you still have issue where tornado can be on side to hit

it will never be straight up double damagethat way

[toxic token]

Oh daam whata bout 2 red and 4 blues or 2 red 1 green and 3 blues

[cerulean breach]

@soft perch that's why you get 1 pierce

[soft perch]

also tornados hitbox is really really small

[tight plinth]

http://siveran.github.io/calc.html use the calculator

[soft perch]

like really small

[stoic horizon]

click the link bot posted earlier and see for yourself

or caasi reposted now

[toxic token]

Oh sorry missed it

[soft perch]

no matter what kind of tornado shenanigans ur doing around half ur projectiles miss

[cerulean breach]

@soft perch have you played arcanist brand - tornado?

[soft perch]

i have shot at tornados directly in front of my character and half my fusillades miss it entirely

[cerulean breach]

yes that's because the tornado should be on the enemy, not on you

[soft perch]

no thats because tornados hitbox is much smaller than fusillades natural spread

cuz the projectiles float above you and slightly around you

[cerulean breach]

...and all converge on the enemy

where the tornado also is

because it spawns there

repeatedly

thanks to the arcanist brand

[soft perch]

they dont directly target the centre of enemies

idk how small tornados radius is but its legit like 0.4 or something wild

[cerulean breach]

??? the absolutely do

[candid moon]

Did they remove dot cap yet?

[karmic gust]

arcanist spawns tornado randomly around enemy not inside of the enemy

[cerulean breach]

they haven't

dot cap is also not really a problem in 99.9999% of cases

[soft perch]

theres still a small amount of spread

[opaque sphinx]

U can’t really remove dotcap without a decent sized rework of the games infrastructure iirc

[candid moon]

it'd be nice to not be capped tho

[opaque sphinx]

Which at this point is never gonna happen

We will never get a patch that size while poe2 exist

[candid moon]

They did say that at some point they will remove it doe, no?

[karmic gust]

i mean they might decide to fix it in poe2 and then port to poe1

[cerulean breach]

I think it's definitely possible, it would be a rework yes but definitely possible

[stoic horizon]

you always are capped, its just that hits are capped per hit and dots per i think 8 seconds or sth like that

[karmic gust]

can def happen. idk if they want to bother

[opaque sphinx]

Valid I guess

[karmic gust]

but its dumb bug

[soft perch]

dot cap in poe2 is funny if u go above it u do zero damage

[candid moon]

lol

[karmic gust]

yea because i bet they just dont have the fix they did when EA had the issue :d

[stoic horizon]

zeroing negative numbers instead of protecting overflow nice

[soft perch]

dot cap existing isnt a bug tho

[full tide]

theres no way...act 3 divine???

[opaque sphinx]

Only way it happens is if it’s as db said and they fix it in poe2 first then port it

[full tide]

rip my rng

[soft perch]

its probs like the lowest priority fix ever

dot cap only matters in delve

[edgy palm]

What do you guys think about Divine Blast? To me it seems rather underwhelming sadly 🙁 it's neither a porjectile or melee, which kinda sucks, and you have to use less duration probably

[karmic gust]

i mean its definitely a bug

even if its low priority

[soft perch]

why

[tight plinth]

unless that suspend time skill is good, another 1c unique 😭

[stoic horizon]

its not, its literally technical limitations and design choice

[opaque sphinx]

Seems fine just not good, doesn’t look like u need reduced dura but you will need massive aoe

[soft perch]

agree

[karmic gust]

the dots doing 0 damage at first proves that its a bug

[candid moon]

damage being artificially capped without developers intending it does sound like a bug to me

[opaque sphinx]

More dmg than normal shield throw but an ungodly amount less clear

[stoic horizon]

0 dmg is just poor overflow protection

[drowsy eagle]

lol the last mod is copied directly from poe2

[soft perch]

its not a bug though its a technical limitation

[karmic gust]

yea and capping it is workaround not fixing the bug

[stoic horizon]

its not an artificial cap though, its integer limit

dots arent stored on per second values

[opaque sphinx]

I mean they did kinda intend it, it’s a direct result of decisions they made. They just felt it was worth it

[proven tundra]

i'm getting 1 shotted by "Monsters reflect 15% elemental damage" modifier in the map. is there a way to mitigate this or just re-roll in the future?

[candid moon]

My guess is rather that they didn't expect to powercreep that much

[past rain]

the 80% ring + pantheon

[soft perch]

im sure the amount of damage you can do is also artificially capped

[karmic gust]

that is artificial cap

[soft perch]

im sure u cant hit harder than a certain number in a single hit

[proven tundra]

sorry could you elaborate what the 80% ring is? noobish player here

[opaque sphinx]

I don’t think it actually is

[soft perch]

i bet it is

[cloud pilot]

yoinking that rng for league start

thank you

[past rain]

sibyl

[soft perch]

theres no reason for the game to handle and compute numbers at a large enough point

[candid moon]

Integer limit is prob the damage cap, but it just so happens that that's also the max hp that a monster can have

[soft perch]

and if it happens it probably causes some issues so theyd just cap it

[opaque sphinx]

I mean if anything the limit can’t be reached by mob hp tbh

[cloud pilot]

if you're dot capped, go kill ubers instead, if you're dot capped ubers then your league is over?

[karmic gust]

this already is an issue right, pretty sure i saw someone reporting it

[opaque sphinx]

Cuz I don’t think there is a single thing in this game that can’t be one shot

[karmic gust]

where they did 0 damage with impales or some shit in single hit

[soft perch]

idk if its a real issue

[proven tundra]

thank u

[opaque sphinx]

Unless phases etc

[candid moon]

100% deli is more DR than Ubers 🤓

[soft perch]

and maybe it is ye but i think expecting games to compute unrealistic numbers is kinda w/e and ggg decided instead of rewriting how dots are calculated completely toughness scaling and less damage exists which is fine

no issue with that whatsoever

[hoary scarab]

its max integer, if you hit for 2.147b, is it really a problem anymore

[karmic gust]

it is when it makes you do 0 damage yes

[hoary scarab]

just do less dmg, how are you gonna achieve integer cap on hits anyways

[lucid socket]

is there anyone with giga brain who can answer if sacred wisps work the same way as totems/mirage archer? are they able to self poison/chill themselves?

[karmic gust]

i bet it was possible in mercs

with rallying

[hoary scarab]

they are proxies like totems, so probably

[full tide]

noooo

[karmic gust]

i mean calculating dot damage as damage per minute is def on them

[rocky pendant]

🥹 god that was a good time

[karmic gust]

and not any limitation of anything

[full tide]

this was my 2cd practice char and 2cd act divine too, and i got first try merc lab transfigured gem

[candid moon]

what's the reason to do that btw?

[soft perch]

it is sure but its a lot of work to change it and i bet they dont particularly want to or care to because its not a good use of time

[hoary scarab]

it probably was a limitation of the old engine to not make the dot seem like many small hits like LE has it

[soft perch]

poe is full of a lot of tech debt

[lucid socket]

guess i need to test it ingame to make sure 🤔

[soft perch]

guarantee the code is absolutely full of this stuff

and i know it is after watching the mark and octavian interview with that one youtube guy yesterday

[karmic gust]

originally there were regen sources per minute so idk they just decided to do stuff that way

[hoary scarab]

doesnt know Ziggy

fake poe player

[soft perch]

not ziggy lmao

[hoary scarab]

nvm then

[soft perch]

it was an interview mostly about game development

they said theres lots of archaic stuff that u just kind of have to know when making stuff

[short prairie]

Who ziggy

[tired niche]

Always wise. Would be interested in the results. I agree that mechanically they should be similar to totems/mirages, but wisps are weird with Ancestral Bond, so they might be weird in other things too.

[soft perch]

like u always multiply mob attack speed by 0.67x

[hoary scarab]

ZiggyDeez

[short prairie]

[soft perch]

because theres an old algorithm that multiplies mob attack speed by 1.5x

and it exists for everything

thats a similar kind of tech debt

the game is full of it

and its not worth the time to change it

im sure a lot of coders cringe at this but its their game so

[candid moon]

lets divide dot damage per minute by 60 and multiply the damage by 60 asw

[hoary scarab]

yeah happens when you ship of theseus a whole self made game engine

[karmic gust]

not like games made in modern game engines are any better

[candid moon]

wait that wont work xdxd

[soft perch]

i totally understand stuff not being worth the time to change or fix

[fierce rock]

a content creator just posted his league start build and it's 95% the same as yours
fuck

[candid moon]

I just opened PoB for the first time in over a year, man this is gonna be rough

[cerulean breach]

@soft perch I did some more testing specifically with kinetic fussilade

I think they changed arcanist brand tornado at some point, idk I remember it being a lot better

so ignore that, let's focus on spellslinger

projectiles 100% chain off the tornado to your main target

[past rain]

https://pobb.in/uUB_hG4JQ9z3

lowkey

[soft perch]

well yes

but a lot of them miss the tornado

and u have to position quite aggressively cuz the aoe of fusillade is not big

[cerulean breach]

almost all of them hit actually

[karmic gust]

i was running arcanist tornado with TS long time ago pretty sure they never rchanged how it works

and it was always annoying like this

[junior otter]

zerker or slayer for sweep

[karmic gust]

slayer probably for aoe? idk

[dusty mesa]

I remember running asenath's mark on TS

wild days

[stoic horizon]

slayuh always comfy

and also the big dmg eff work well for ice bite masterful form ig

[karmic gust]

ice bite masterful is kinda garbage without shako ngl

[stoic horizon]

its not bad

its a cool package with endu charge on stun, brutal charges and ralakesh

[cerulean breach]

@soft perch this is with 7 projectiles per burst, only like 2 in the entire video missed

[karmic gust]

yea but i mean you can just do like voidforge instead

with sweep

[stoic horizon]

true

wait you cant

its now mace staff only

[karmic gust]

ah lmao

[fallow fern]

isnt sweep only hammer,staves

[karmic gust]

ew that sucks then

[fallow fern]

staffs are

amazing

staff hate will not be tolerated

[karmic gust]

pathing on staves is anything but amazing

otherwise sure

[soft perch]

what happens if you move your mouse further away

[fallow fern]

i will just go jugg

slayer start for the 5th league in a row

gets a bit boring

[cerulean breach]

not sure what you mean

here's a better video even

oops wrong one

[fallow fern]

ur cast speed

is a bit nuts

[cerulean breach]

this isn't a KF character, just testing

[finite quail]

@opal ingot

yea it was me

[opal ingot]

yeahh

[cerulean breach]

@soft perch in this video I have 1 pierce, showing how if a projectile only hits the totem or tornado, it will go through it

notice how once I put the spellslinger tornado in, it always hits both the tornado and the totem

literally not one projectile misses either

[karmic gust]

lmao wtf is that

[soft perch]

idk in my experience my projectiles missed tornado entirely quite often and i was very much accuracy capped cuz it was a light radius stacker

[past rain]

does kinetic fusillade kill bubble mobs

[cosmic raptor]

Mirage league

[cerulean breach]

you may be misinterpreting a projectile chaining off the tornado as a miss

[soft perch]

aoe of fusillade off tornado is defo an issue though its so tiny

[karmic gust]

isnt the issue here that your tornado initial duration lasts like no time at all

so they miss because thye cant hit tornado anymore

[cosmic raptor]

@fossil mural how's the league

[soft perch]

it might also be that ye

[karmic gust]

and if you rely on spellslinger and have too much attack speed you will also have dead casts for sure

[cerulean breach]

I don't think you end up with the problem but you may need more duration

[karmic gust]

with slinger cd and the base duration being 1.5s i think you do hit it

[cerulean breach]

but either way, this video proves that if you position properly, you absolutely can 100% double hit with KF

[cerulean breach]

slinger CD is 0.6

[soft perch]

sure but the aoe is still completely miserable

[hoary scarab]

did we get the gem info on the new lightning nova btw

[stoic horizon]

no

[cerulean breach]

if you run conc effect instead of awakened aoe, sure

[finite quail]

casual leaguestart reward from lani

[karmic gust]

yea and you need new tornado every single attack because of the initial duration

[finite quail]

[karmic gust]

and kf builds just hold down right click

[cerulean breach]

once every 2 is enough

[cerulean breach]

I'm aware

[soft perch]

kf usually has 75-85% reduced duration and 10% less duration mastery

which makes tornado like a 0.2 second duration or something

[cerulean breach]

that much global reduced?

can you give me a char to import?

[soft perch]

window of opportunity is 25%

each ring and amulet are 20% each

[cerulean breach]

15%

[soft perch]

25%

the small nodes

[cerulean breach]

oh fair enough only looked at the node

[soft perch]

sometimes people anoint hasty demise as well

[cerulean breach]

I don't really see people running two rings and amulet

usually 1 ring 1 ammy

[karmic gust]

well if it allows you to run tornado properly then i think it might be better to run less duration in main link if you werent

and drop some global reduced

[soft perch]

people run 1 ring 1 ammy and use the kalandra ring

the 15% base

[cerulean breach]

if you have 75% global reduced

>>> 1.5*.25*1.5
0.5625

you barely don't have 100% uptime with spellslinger, if you put more duration in

(ignoring breakpoint effects here for the moment)

if you don't put more duration in, or have 85% global reduced, yeah you're gonna see downtime

but mechanically speaking, you absolutely can double-hit with KF with a proper tornado setup

same with ele hit / lightning arrow btw, I'm actually a pretty big believer in Asenath's Mark - tornado on bowers

[hexed mountain]

You have to if you start scaling attack speed heavily like most attack builds

The reduced duration rings and amulet have cast speed and attack speed which both give att1ck speed with wilma

You also use onslaught because wilma