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[past rain]

16mil dps, 16 chain pconc lowk
https://pobb.in/RhxFWo8LDKyV

[fossil mural]

Yea that idiot

[hexed mountain]

You waiting for your pconc to finish 16 chains

Anhtime now

[past rain]

nah its for the cluster

1000% inc dmg

[hexed mountain]

Ah yeah

[past rain]

4x 15% inc dmg per remaining chain = 60% inc dmg * 16

960% inc dmg

[hexed mountain]

Cant wait to see the crazy large clusters with 3 notables from different cluster types

[fossil mural]

Frac + chaos spam + lock reforge

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[fossil mural]

Btw

What do we think

Did tujen get a buff

[brazen vector]

How does it have the arcane tag but cannot support arcane skills, thats odd

[hexed mountain]

The best exped build got nuked into orbit F exped farming

[fossil mural]

They added the corrupted banner

Surely

[high magnet]

ice shot of penetration mines seems untouched

prettyy good clear build

[fossil mural]

You dont need clear

You need to ignore mods

[high magnet]

oh wasnt talking about expedition

[fossil mural]

😩

[high magnet]

blight of contagion still the best

i thought

[fossil mural]

Its so you cant do archmage and shi

[high magnet]

or phys dot slightly worse

[fossil mural]

Day 1 numbers seemed worse than cf

[fast fiber]

Did Absolution just get giga buffed? Was it that bad before?

[high magnet]

phys dot then

but u have 2 mods that brick

[hexed mountain]

It was ok i think and yeah buffed

[dense rock]

was barely above troll pick before 😄

[hexed mountain]

Vaal absolution with vaal bloodline lowkey good

[brazen vector]

Absolution is a great pick for leveling :<

[dense rock]

You know what else is? Everything else and they most likely perform better 😄

[hexed mountain]

Idk how to do maths on vaal absolution due to shotgun but it deletes stuff

[brazen vector]

Flicker strike

[fossil mural]

Ward Shatter triggered by the Volatile Runes Bloodline Passive Skill now has 200% more Damage if Ward has not broken in the past 2 seconds (previously 80%). It now deals 160% to 240% of Ward as Base Spell Physical Damage (previously 250% to 300%), and has a Cooldown of 0.15 seconds (previously 0.5). Ward Shatter can no longer apply the Enervation Debuff to player characters.

I cope so hard

For this

[hexed mountain]

0.15 cd looks decent

[dense rock]

i lowkey would rather league start flicker than absolution after trying absolution once or twice...

[fossil mural]

Doesnt slow you down or block recovery

And you get more ward

I might click all 3

[dense rock]

One of these days i will make my dream build in to reality from meme. A RF flicker

[fossil mural]

Idk what ascendancy doe

[hexed mountain]

Sabo

[fossil mural]

Are triggerbots one point?

[hexed mountain]

Yes

[vital meteor]

is getting the filter from filterblade now, gonna also keep updating after the new league comes?

[fossil mural]

Yea unironically

Maybe

70% ward, ward on hit and do like giga scolds

Attack speed

Is there any way to hit yourself on hitting the enemy?

[elfin shale]

What was the name of the shrines while no flasks belt?

[vital meteor]

wdym maybe?? XDD

[icy zinc]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1rfz3ri/number_comparisons_for_int_acc_stacker_after_328/ holy xdd 4.5k int referenced

[fossil mural]

Not to you

[vital meteor]

mb

[gentle chasm]

man kinda wanted to go for the bloodlines but this seems good

[icy zinc]

to be fair shepherd one is super important

but ye absolution gud

[prime hill]

ngl I just noticed one of my early easy crafts got screwed

since fossils most likely gonna go nuts in price

[icy zinc]

ints and energy blade might be bottom tier for a long time now

kinda wonder what progenesis prices will be

[surreal musk]

❌

[prime hill]

half a mirror

[icy zinc]

so you tell me theres a price

[past rain]

did we hear which pinnable drops which gems?

[prime hill]

I genuinely think half or 3/4 of a mirror tbh

[past rain]

i didnt hear?

[tight plinth]

Mirage Warriors can apply on-hit effects and debuffs such as curses, withered, impale, ailments, or unique on-hit effects.

[surreal musk]

int stack kb is still gonna be one of the best builds

[past rain]

GL with 50% less ES

[prime hill]

if more people play life based builds

[fringe ermine]

yeah

[tight plinth]

so does mirage warrior inflict AND remove hallowing flame?

[prime hill]

I don't think we'll be having this many valdo runners again

and bossers gonna be less aswell

[fringe ermine]

I wanna start with KF ballista Glad but idk if it's good to farm expedition

[past rain]

pbod got nerfed right?

rip

[surreal musk]

exped wants dot dmg and explosions

so no

[past rain]

CF KB for expedition

[icy zinc]

So minion ie herald of purity has to hit mob to let me do 80% of phys as extra light?

Idk

[pulsar dune]

Hm, what if I just did frostblink mines.

[fringe ermine]

so, gonna start KF and gonna do another build later

[tight plinth]

well mirage warrior dont count as you, so im assuming it can remove the debuff

[icy zinc]

melee hit hmm

[tight plinth]

but at the same time it can apply the debuff

but then also benefit from the 80% phys as lightning

am i tripping?

[icy zinc]

oddball node it wants to scale both fire and light

theres support that also scales fire and light

i dont have issue with fire and light but man fire on its own is idk

[tight plinth]

so each gen cry mirage will hit, add a debuff and remove previous debuff giving them 25% phys as extra

[icy zinc]

scorch at best in alt ailments

[prime hill]

when

[slow rapids]

Can’t wait for mirage to drop so I can finally try introduce my friend to the game

[short prairie]

？

[icy zinc]

Wtf xd

[short prairie]

You can just introduce as is

[tight plinth]

and they also get the 80% phys as extra lightning

[past rain]

lowk

[short prairie]

Low key but high note

[past rain]

gotta play league while wait for youtubers to make starter builds

[icy zinc]

aight beethoven

monkey humper

[short prairie]

Don’t play lol not sure what u saying

[icy zinc]

wait how you got 3 infractions

lolo

[fossil mural]

Mods just forgot to ban him

[icy zinc]

6️⃣ 7️⃣

[elfin shale]

Is there anything like Ambush or Intimidating Cry for poison

[icy zinc]

Lol

[hexed mountain]

could just sadism

[elfin shale]

Thats funny but you want to upkeep 12 so you can get wither on hit

[tight plinth]

theres like wither everywhere

[fossil mural]

I think this works with low tolerance

[hexed mountain]

could get wither on hit timeless jewel and just go for triple poison sadism

[fossil mural]

If enemy is unpoisoned

[tight plinth]

unholy might on crit or someshit

[icy zinc]

yeah but new low tolerance

[fossil mural]

[worldly bridge]

Holy sweep jugg endurance charge stacking login

[fossil mural]

Still have 300% on mastery

[icy zinc]

oright

[elfin shale]

oh true it does

[fossil mural]

But if you want 12 stacks it dont matter

What skill would you use

[surreal musk]

none

[fossil mural]

Can you mamba with 2h?

[surreal musk]

that weapon is ass

[hexed mountain]

i'd just go for a setup that can keep hitting for 4 poisons a hit with sadism and get wither somewhere else

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[hexed mountain]

that weapon could be used on assassin with all damage can poison and then auras

quad poison on hit sounds decent enough

[tight plinth]

but then youre playing assassin with a shitty weapon 😭

[fossil mural]

And mamba

Sounds like a recipe for a shitpie

But then you just go for ashes

[hexed mountain]

with added chaos in links its not that bad if you consider quad poison on hit

[fossil mural]

And withering step

[worldly bridge]

Poe the only game where using things in their “thematic” ways is usually the worst

[fossil mural]

Gotta abuse the interactions

[worldly bridge]

Assassin poison with a skill named MAMBA

[fossil mural]

If you go with the flow

[worldly bridge]

Its not thst good 😔

[fossil mural]

It will be meh

[worldly bridge]

JUGGERNAUT INT STACKING

[fossil mural]

You dont need to go assa doe

Just ff

[worldly bridge]

Now that works with mamba

[fossil mural]

Or get the boots

With vines

Will suck massive dick for clear

I imagine

And your phys will still poison

So need no chaos flat and then convert phys

Sounds

Less than optimal

Or osin

But ugh

[hexed mountain]

man soul taker kinda is the coolest T0 weapon now no?

free soul eater for mapping is so fun

[tawdry olive]

But it’s supposed to just take souls, not eat them!!

[crisp obsidian]

no

lioneyes glaze or w/E

is the coolest

[tight plinth]

nah

[cosmic eagle]

My merc would have love that shit

[tight plinth]

binos is the coolest

[fossil mural]

Only one repeat

[crisp obsidian]

bino is L

[fossil mural]

Weak sauce

[hexed mountain]

soul taker : your physical damage can chill. Litteraly the coolest

[tawdry olive]

My favourite unique is probably Doryani’s Fist

Purely because they could have went with “Doryani’s Gauntlet” or something but no

It’s his fist

[crisp obsidian]

winterweave

[tight plinth]

wait its only soultaker who has it?

kingmaker doesnt inherit the eating of souls?

[worldly bridge]

Reminds me of the idea i had that gave your strikes seals based on + target

But it was daressos dueling glove

Because he was a duelist ya know

[rotund sinew]

do we know what happens with the already exisiting awakened gems in standard ?

[worldly bridge]

Only reminds me because its a glove

[hexed mountain]

they explode and die

[rotund sinew]

you are a funny one

[fossil mural]

And your pc explodes too

[hexed mountain]

yes

[tight plinth]

by the looks of it, eater and exarch share the same voidstone yeah?

[hexed mountain]

yeah

[tight plinth]

cortex is the top right?

[worldly bridge]

Elder shaper

[tight plinth]

thats bottom right

[fossil mural]

Its eater+exarch, maven, dread and uber elder or elder+shaper

You can either kill elder and shaper or do uber elder

[worldly bridge]

Eagon is top left, elder shaper are top right i thought, eater exarch bottom right, maven bottomleft

[fringe ermine]

it won't have an orb to reroll implicit on items ?

[worldly bridge]

Blessed orbs

[fringe ermine]

blessed rerolls maps

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/wIa2OdX.png rip my stone practice runs

[fossil mural]

They do both

[worldly bridge]

Guardians yes

[tight plinth]

wait wait wait

[frigid wedge]

whats it an image of

[tight plinth]

where does elder guardians reside?

[elfin shale]

Fleshrender Crushing Fist Poison

[crisp obsidian]

it was pretty obvious that ele will get gutted

[tight plinth]

do you choose which map?

[surreal musk]

ele still very strong i was talking about the reworked atlas progression

not worried about ele nerf at all

[tight plinth]

i guess instead of a waystone you get a waystone with the guardian and put it on any map

[fossil mural]

Ele nerf is almost insignificant

[fringe ermine]

nice

[fossil mural]

Feels bad early

But then you herald stack

[brazen vector]

They stay in standard, already confirmed as per qna

[tight plinth]

my poor elementalist lost 1.6k armor and 200 es because of the nerfs 😭

[fossil mural]

Lmao

I mean some regen dps and as too

[tight plinth]

true

[brazen vector]

Stack more primordial eminence

[hexed mountain]

stack heralds harder , we heralding now

[tight plinth]

its negligible, i didnt even lose damage

[fossil mural]

How the fuck

Did hive not get touched

[tight plinth]

over dot cap i suppose

[cerulean breach]

do we know what a Greater Shocking shrine does? I assume the new belt will have these

[hexed mountain]

its balanced imo it costs a ring and its purely clear

[proper rampart]

i just hope we the the monestary as a hideout love the place

[hexed mountain]

i mean the herald more damage is good too but thats more herald stack issue than the ring

[fossil mural]

It can do like a mil dps on a build that doesnt try to stack the damage for it

Thats enough for like

A lot

[hexed mountain]

on my elem my shield charge was dealing more than hive :^)

[iron birch]

any update on this?

[brazen vector]

0.1% drop from hive fortresses

[iron birch]

it will be once the new league launches

[proper rampart]

🤣

[sterile depot]

Someone with big brain: What if I spec the cryogenesis breach ascendancy and play a cold spell with both the frostmage and archmage support?

Nothing tells me those don't stack?

[frigid wedge]

archmage is unreserved

frostmage is reserved

[dense rock]

which dimension you gonna steal all the mana from? 😄

[surreal musk]

o wait frostmage is reserved

thats interesting

[dense rock]

reserve 50% and profit? 😄

[hexed mountain]

reserve all your mana then have 200 mana left and 1500 mana cost per skill

[sterile depot]

xD

[dense rock]

blood magic 😄

[sterile depot]

Bloodmagic maybe

yeah

[tight plinth]

the cost is also based on reserved iirc

[elfin shale]

BM means your reserved is 0

I guess you can lifetap

[cerulean breach]

do you guys believe echoing/acceleration shrine will be on the new belt?

[elfin shale]

But then you're chunking 5000 life a cast

[hexed mountain]

lifetap and pay 4000 life per cast

[brazen vector]

Blood magic removes all mana, you wont get any benefit

[gentle chasm]

if theyre not that belt is useless

[cerulean breach]

echoing shrine with the gull is 175% more attack/cast speed...

[hexed mountain]

could use the runegraft of witchmark and damage per cost bloodline

[elfin shale]

I mean Diamond is still pretty good

And you get a third ring with the belt

[gentle chasm]

no flasks tho

[frigid wedge]

crit guaranteed on belt slot is op as fuck

[brazen vector]

Everyone forgets blunderbore

[cerulean breach]

you can have flasks?

and tinctures

[tight plinth]

echoing is a bit dumb to have on it tbh

[cerulean breach]

you just can't have flasks with duration

[hexed mountain]

even without flasks the belt mogs mageblood and its not remotely close tbh

[dense rock]

mageblood stans on suicide watch

[surreal musk]

echoing shrine would be turbo busted i really dont think theyd put it on

[elfin shale]

Divine Shrine

[hexed mountain]

charge shrine makes you immortal + high dps boost

[cerulean breach]

resonating shrine is 100% on there since they nerfed it in the patch notes

[blazing spear]

hear me out: temu mb

[cerulean breach]

they changed charge shrine my dude because it'd be too strong

[tight plinth]

its not even temu

its better in some scenarios

[hexed mountain]

better in most scenarios if you got two solid shrines

[frigid wedge]

charge shrine got fucked in the ass

[native abyss]

lock in bro

[charred hornet]

They changed resonance shrine...wdym they wouldnt change other shrine?

[tight plinth]

its omega giga busted if it can roll echoing

[cerulean breach]

if they changed other shrines it'd be in the patch notes

[icy zinc]

Yeah why not

[blazing spear]

you use the new essence(30% flask effect) on the anointable belt, you make a big life belt or an es belt, or you synth it

[cerulean breach]

getting a good roll on the belt will be hard though

[stoic horizon]

echoing accel zoom zoom

[cerulean breach]

diamond/acceleration/echo (if exists) will be rare

[hexed mountain]

ah yeah , need to see how many max charge it gives

[blazing spear]

is this temu mb?

[cerulean breach]

most of them time you'll get lightning/freezing/skeletal shrine

[tight plinth]

there isnt really that many shrines

[gentle chasm]

good luck using movement skills with it

[charred hornet]

Tbh shrine have that good buff because its limited...now they itimized it,probably you gonna see alot of changes

[icy zinc]

charge shrine got more max ones thats neat but per charge power its rip

[hexed mountain]

like if its 2 max charge you could realistically reach 4/5 max

[frigid wedge]

temu mb is the hunter Stygian w charge on crit etc

[brazen vector]

Flask effect on fractured alchemist genius

[tight plinth]

there will be a lot of the good ones in the market

[icy zinc]

flickers loved having that shrine

[cerulean breach]

the patch notes are already out dude, we already know the changes

[charred hornet]

Flicker go brrrrr

[cerulean breach]

one, as stated in the patch notes

[short prairie]

Flicker mentioned???!

[blazing spear]

no synth or influ

[charred hornet]

Yes flicker enjoyer have new build path

[cerulean breach]

influence??

[hexed mountain]

eh so +2 max with shrine effect

[brazen vector]

Which synth beats alchemist genius

[cerulean breach]

what are you on about

[frigid wedge]

rem help, what build do i play to spam the living shit out of a projectile

xD

[blazing spear]

%attributes

[hexed mountain]

that's still decent if you cant divine it

[brazen vector]

Elder and shaper and hinter and redeemer and warlord and crusader

[cerulean breach]

on cluster jewels?

[brazen vector]

BELTS????

[frigid wedge]

hunter styg

[fringe ermine]

any thoughts on frost mage support

[fossil mural]

Its not as bad as it might seem

[hexed mountain]

i hope the annoint belt is not too rare , looks like an insane base until i get my hands on one of the three big belts

[brazen vector]

Alchemist genius is an essence mod on belts

[cerulean breach]

I thought we were talking about fracturing alchemist's genius then rerolling the cluster jewel

[fossil mural]

As rare as a simplex KEKL

[gentle chasm]

its not bad but people are really overhyping it

[hexed mountain]

it didnt drop from heist did it

it was a blight drop

[brazen vector]

We weren't

[fossil mural]

It can be as rare

And not drop

[cerulean breach]

...what?

[fossil mural]

From heist

[charred hornet]

Yes its blight drop

[cerulean breach]

if you have acceleration shrine you can just run my dude

[fossil mural]

Whats the point of echo then

[hexed mountain]

how many annoints can we even reach now with that? with annoint gear

[cerulean breach]

you can't have both echo and acceleration shrine

1 defensive + 1 offensive shrine

[surreal musk]

u think people are overhyping the dual shrine belt? even if its only the two shrines shown in reveal and no accel / echoing its still the new best item in the game

[fossil mural]

We dont know how ggg will categorize them

[cerulean breach]

obviously those are both offensive

acceleration shrine gives action speed and PROJECTILE SPEED

[hexed mountain]

we can reach like 10 annoints can't we with blight gear and the new belt

[tight plinth]

oh yeah its one defensive and one offensive

[gentle chasm]

did they say that

[cerulean breach]

(insane for spark btw)

[cerulean breach]

yes

[frigid wedge]

@brazen vector @blazing spear

[tight plinth]

if all shrines are available, there would be a lot of good ones

[charred hornet]

Idk abour hyping but i know those resonance shrine gonna be on the belt.since it got changed....only that matter as flicker enjoyer

[cerulean breach]

mate people never made this belt before they won't do it now either

[blazing spear]

how tf

[surreal musk]

pretty sure the 1 offennsive 1 defensive was some chatterman in zizarins stream saying he 'spoke to ggg' , no confirmed source

[cerulean breach]

divine shrine is obviously out, question is which others are out

[cerulean breach]

my dad is bill gates it's true

[frigid wedge]

theyre arguing over what is best knock off mb

[short prairie]

Flicker scion be going to the moon

[hexed mountain]

gloom shrine would be bad vs bosses but insanely fun for mapping

[brazen vector]

I could be argued with about the attributes but if youre not attribute stacking, flask effect + alchemist genius is better on the cord belt

[charred hornet]

Yes go flicker

[brazen vector]

And the charge on crit is a watchers eye mod too if you really need it

[tight plinth]

i counted 90 iterations total wthout divine shrine but i forgot its 1 defensive + 1 offensive which cuts the iterations by half

[brazen vector]

And even now, most high end attribute stackers use mageblood

[frigid wedge]

ye but u can just get flask effect anyway

[cerulean breach]

I mean let's just assume it's the belt they've shown, if you add a gull and a marylene's you're getting 90 allres, 85 to all resistances, ALWAYS crit (with zero investment), culling strike and +240% crit multi

[hexed mountain]

acceleration shrine would go so hard on spark

[cerulean breach]

it would

[brazen vector]

Don't forget blunderbore

More shrine effect

[cerulean breach]

why? it does nothing for the setup I mentioned

[frigid wedge]

alesia blunderbore has a 700 strength requirement

[cerulean breach]

you're already 90 allres

[brazen vector]

And?

[tight plinth]

there is no way all these shrines would be on there

[rough tulip]

supreme ostentation stonks

[cerulean breach]

I mean that's why I said let's assume the belt as shown

[cerulean breach]

we know this is real

you can still use a tincture and 4 instant life flasks as well

[tight plinth]

yeah i know, even that belt is absurd

[hexed mountain]

the always crit is hilarious damage wise when we consider that with a damn fishing rod surfcasters were already getting hilarious damage and you get to use actual weapons

[magic relic]

hey guys, I've enabled poe2 drop in twitch, but not seeing progress for the mirage effects in 'Inventory' tab. Did I make a mistake somewhere?

already shown as connected here

[rough tulip]

we might also assume that the belt comes from uber boss with stupidly low droprates

[tight plinth]

its not

its from the league mechanic boss

[hexed mountain]

its from league boss no?

[split maple]

surely its at lest 4% or smh reasonable

[surreal musk]

1 in 1,000,000 from league boss

[hexed mountain]

30% droprate GGG said let them have cake

[charred hornet]

Progenesis rate probably

[tight plinth]

considering its the main mechanic there will be alot of them belts

[rough tulip]

the more u talk about the belt here, the more likely it gets dropped to 1% or something

[hexed mountain]

we gave them keepers league last league they deserve shrine belt : 30% droprate

[split maple]

like progen/nimis drop rate would be pretty horribad, while smh like 5-10% ... would be comfy

[stoic horizon]

start watching any stream with drops enabled

[charred hornet]

I just hope its divineable

[split maple]

able to plan for it for week2 then

[gentle chasm]

yea but then realize you need acceleration on it and youre stuck with some other defensive shrine

else you slowly walk to mobs or use some mediocre movement skill

[surreal musk]

regardless of the drop rate, its kind of stupid how op the belt is

[brazen vector]

Acceleration is surely defensive already

[magic relic]

yup watching Palsteron stream for a while, but the progress haven't updated. His stream should've been drop enabled

[cerulean breach]

0%

[tight plinth]

its not

[gentle chasm]

how does that make sense lmao

[floral star]

question, does harmony of purpose prioritize shire effects you dont already have? or would it just refresh if it rolls one you got?

[bold scarab]

Temu mageblood

[cerulean breach]

it has projectile speed on it, it's offensive

[bold scarab]

No it does not

[hexed mountain]

i just hope you can divine it like shako

[rough tulip]

full random

[cerulean breach]

anyway if the belt is < 200d with an acceleration/resistance roll I'm rolling spark lol

[tight plinth]

im assuming defensive is the lightning, the cold nova, smoke bomb, life one, defense one, resist one and skeleton one

[magic relic]

nvm, it's updated now, but a bit late. Thanks

[hexed mountain]

will purely depend on droprate i guess

and if it can be divined

[gentle chasm]

nova shrines are offensive fr sure

[frigid wedge]

what are actual twitch drops rm

[dense rock]

mana stacker spark with accel/regen belt 😄

[hexed mountain]

it might make HH super cheap tho

[bold scarab]

Did they say it could be rolled?

[surreal musk]

inb4 shock/cold nova + smoke bomb are 9900 out of 10,000 total weight

[tight plinth]

even just the resist one alone is busted

[split maple]

is it even range or is it fixed res+diamond 😄

[hexed mountain]

nah

[stoic horizon]

echo shrine is surely defensive because you can cast more frostwalls

[split maple]

like i want res+diamond anyways, seems the most practical one if you can solve movement as ssf replacement for hh/mb early

[cerulean breach]

with a gull, spark gets 87% action speed, 140% projectile speed, 90 max allres, 85 all res from accel/resist belt

[split maple]

assuming sane drop rate

[hexed mountain]

i'd' keep res + diamond over mageblood lategame too

the damage is just too good to pass up

[undone gazelle]

I did try to guess it unless the others are also in the pool

Offensive
Lightning Shrine
Freezing Shrine
Skeletal Shrine
Acceleration Shrine (due to proj)
Diamond Shrine
Brutal Shrine
Echoing Shrine
Resonating Shrine
Gloom Shrine

Defensive
Shrouded Shrine
Massive Shrine
Resistance Shrine
Impenetrable Shrine
Replenishing Shrine
Divine Shrine (might not be in the pool)

[stoic horizon]

and you can still use tincture

[bold scarab]

If it can't be rolled it's worse than mageblood by a tiny bit cuz no movement speed to compensate for quicksilver ... If it can be rolled then I guess peak ... And if it can roll invincibility shrine double peak

[cerulean breach]

mate what the fuck do you mean divine shrine "might" not be in the pool

obviously "become immortal" is not an item they will ever print

[hexed mountain]

if divine shrine is in the pool they're just trolling xd

aint no way it is

[floral star]

personally looking at inpen/diamond for coc fr as a double damage belt

[bold scarab]

Corruption shrine

[gentle chasm]

yea and proj speed is a misc stat

[brazen vector]

they literally have a mod for the new mirage thing where youre immortal, so why not

[split maple]

can i get covetous+divine please

[gentle chasm]

does that make it a misc shrine

[split maple]

if possible on week1

[cerulean breach]

I doubt echoing shrine is in the pool either, 175% more attack/cast speed is just absurd

[rough tulip]

cause that one is only on the mirage area

[brazen vector]

imo more weighted towards defense

[bold scarab]

Echo bricks alot of stuff so I totally expect it to be there

[cerulean breach]

gonna just assume you're arguing in bad faith, ignored

[hexed mountain]

shame its one defensive one offensive , action speed + echoing shrine would be the most fun belt of all time

[frigid wedge]

accel might b defensive

[cerulean breach]

anyone who thinks "become immortal" is a line they ever put without conditions on an item is delusional sorry

[frigid wedge]

u gotta wait

[gentle chasm]

is movement speed also a defensive stat by that logic

[brazen vector]

"I dont agree with your opinion so I will just ignore you" okay

[brazen vector]

technically, yes

[bold scarab]

It's in the defense tab so probably

[cerulean breach]

as I said, it's delusional and a waste of my time to argue further

[tight plinth]

thatd be hilarious if its defensive

[fading tapir]

so. dawnstrider holy hammers?

[frigid wedge]

they literally put 'players in the league mechanic cannot be killed' in the reveal

[bold scarab]

It should be in the misc tab but hey

[grizzled lily]

that and charlatan blunderbore and the gull

[cerulean breach]

did you read what I wrote?

[hexed mountain]

if its defensive diamond + action speed is the target

[cerulean breach]

is that on an item, without condition?

no, it's a temporary buff not on your character but on the zone

[frigid wedge]

but also, no, divine shrine is ridiculous

[bold scarab]

Ye but like that only applies to that one mirage instance

When it happens

[hexed mountain]

is there even anything usefull we can do with our flask slots outside of 2 tinctures?

[frigid wedge]

worm

[tight plinth]

divine shrine can go infinite delve

[grizzled lily]

worns

[tight plinth]

ehp? inf

[charred hornet]

The worm flask....i forgot,its insta recovery too right?

[cerulean breach]

action speed by itself without even a second mod is already completely absurd, there is no chance they let you have another offensive mod on top

[hexed mountain]

oh its utility flasks that disable only?

[bold scarab]

Wonder if you can get the all stat booster shrine xD

[hexed mountain]

i guess then yeah

[elfin shale]

iirc belt's wording is flask effect, not utility flask effect

[bold scarab]

Also ... The red kalgur ones?

[hexed mountain]

yeah but to be fair action speed + resist shrine is just as dumb

[elfin shale]

So life/mana are out too

But you do get a third ring which is neat

[brazen vector]

also you have stuff on the tree making you immune to some kind of damage already, so its not too far off

[tight plinth]

theyre not really disabled, the shrines turn off when youre affected by a flask

[cerulean breach]

honestly I think in general once the content creators start their hype mill they will point out how ridiculous this belt is and they'll do another post-patch balance pass on the shrines

it's like kinetic rain from last league, this won't make it into the game

[hexed mountain]

yeah but then you dont slot them

[charred hornet]

Its not disable....you onky have shrine buff when you have no flask effect

So anything that linger on you will disable the flask

[tight plinth]

you can run 5 intant lifeflask

[cerulean breach]

4 instant lifeflask and a tincture

[tight plinth]

true

[bold scarab]

Proc shrines need to be deleted from the game ... That and the minion ones are Soo ass

[cerulean breach]

or two tinctures if you're a warden

[fossil mural]

I hope they nerf it so hard that mb is still better

[tight plinth]

or just get another ring

[brazen vector]

PoF sublime on CI makes you near unkillable too

[cobalt blade]

third ring only disables utility

you still go 5 life

[charred hornet]

Just nerf the shrine instead the belt

[cobalt blade]

Or 4/tinc

[tight plinth]

poggers

[bold scarab]

Like at least in poe2 the proc shrines give you a damage buff

[hexed mountain]

idk man might be the only patch where its somewhat available since its from the league boss , might as well have fun

[fossil mural]

That achieves the same effect

[bold scarab]

But in poe1 it's just the trigger

[proud gorge]

the belt is fine, it's very strong but requires you to give up all your flasks

[limpid prairie]

Get life flask and make them energy flask if you need

[tight plinth]

very strong is an understatement

[pulsar vault]

Nop, you still able to have instant life Flask or instant mana flask

[past rain]

its crazy op

belt

[charred hornet]

No it just a disguise from ggg so you can use ritual ascendancy for +1 ring

[grizzled lily]

you guys talk so much but i still dont have a clue on what to play this league, smh

[fading tapir]

third ring 💃

[haughty dirge]

Give em up for +1 ring

[fossil mural]

Bleed slam

[bold scarab]

Temu mageblood ... Or new BiS ... Not much in the middle

[past rain]

who cares about flask if u can get insane effect echoing shrine + accelration shrine

[surreal musk]

flamedash totems

[obsidian violet]

What is the name of that Holy Slam ability they showcased? I'm thinking of playing that, looks cool

[fossil mural]

Probably cant

[fossil mural]

Holy hammers

[grizzled lily]

i was thinking of holy hammers smth but idk what anymore

[bold scarab]

Holy handgrenade

[obsidian violet]

YEp, that one. Looks great IMO

[fringe ermine]

what starter build will be able to handle expedition?

[charred hornet]

Well some build probably have less armor/evasion too

[tight plinth]

i would bet 2 chaos orbs echoing isnt in the pool

[pulsar vault]

You can't, both are offensives shrines

[proud gorge]

and people saying "oh it's better than Mageblood plus three flasks" like no, it gives a lot of max res, but it doesn't even close to give as much res, so you'll need to build a bunch of res on gear, and other stats on gear, to make up for the losses from not having Mageblood, which is the entire point of Mageblood, that it covers all your res and other defensive stats on gear by itself

[limpid prairie]

Holy sweep

[obsidian violet]

But who knows if it will actually be good

Has to be considering it's a new one

[grizzled lily]

numbers are fine for it

[hexed mountain]

if you just want to exped probably blight of contagion

[bold scarab]

I would bet 3 that it is ... Just because it will brick your movement skill if you get it

[grizzled lily]

should be good

[fossil mural]

Why not? Its not like divine, or even explodey

[obsidian violet]

We have the numbers?

[grizzled lily]

i think so yea

[vale holly]

Are rare converstions back in this patch?

[pulsar vault]

It's not stronger than MB, people seems to forgot than you can have a lot of Flask effect

[prime hill]

mageblub good, yes

[fossil mural]

It doesnt brick anything, git gud

[tough cove]

80/220 i believe

[split maple]

same ones as rn, a few more maybe in 3.29

[tough cove]

for holy slam

at 20

[hexed mountain]

you get two shrines

[surreal musk]

if it can roll accel shrine or echoing shrine (doubt) its way stronger than mb

[tough cove]

the real question is can it shotgun

[obsidian violet]

Is that decent?

[fossil mural]

You can also have a lot of shrine effect

[hexed mountain]

single res shrine belt would be worse than MB

[proud gorge]

it's a very good belt, but it's more specific

[tough cove]

if it can shotgun yes

otherwise hell no

[bold scarab]

It's a meme belt for meme gull builds

[charred hornet]

1 offensive and 1 defensive....you cant get res shrine+ armour shrine for example

[hexed mountain]

the belt on reveal with res and diamond shrine mogs mageblood

[obsidian violet]

What is a "shotgun"?

[signal hawk]

Wait for gem 20/20 for numbers, remember Kinetic Rain?

[tough cove]

if its aoe can overlap and hit the same enemy multiple times

[icy zinc]

kinetic rain was hyped thus nerfed rofl

[obsidian violet]

Yeah I thought that has the potential to be really good but I don't know much about the game

[fossil mural]

If diamond had a scalable effect like crit damage...

[bold scarab]

Kinetic rain got screwed so bad ... And it didn't even get buffed this league

[elfin shale]

Yeah hammer's gonna be pretty crazy if you can get 6 hits

[tough cove]

some skills can (such as molten strike of the zenith), some cant

[obsidian violet]

It kind of did look like it can do that in the reveal

[proud gorge]

it's very good, but it has real tradeoffs to be good, unlike Mageblood

[tough cove]

at 80/220 i would expect that it can

[charred hornet]

Well the res shrine indeed give you +10 all max res....but it just +50 res,it doesnt cover the -60 res from story...you need res from other item

[hexed mountain]

like you can legit slap it on a slam skill use a marylene and x5 your damage

[limpid prairie]

If you are close to your target with a shotgun it'll hit more than one pellet

[proud gorge]

which has no tradeoffs and is also ridiculously good

[tough cove]

cause baseline slam is like 80/350-400

[bold scarab]

Time to play sweep

[hexed mountain]

you use the gull its +15 max res

[obsidian violet]

Sweep looked like shit to me

[bold scarab]

It is

[tough cove]

holy sweep for instance is 70/440

[elfin shale]

Sweep is gonna be decent i think

[ancient snow]

league challenge rewards??

[charred hornet]

Ofc but the gull now take you head piece too....so you still need res on your other gear

[elfin shale]

You get a sweep and two hammers with hydrosphere

[undone gazelle]

That new shock nova trans gem has good overlaps but I'll wait for numbers

[fossil mural]

And then 65% on the small hammer

[tight plinth]

every second

[grizzled lily]

armour

[obsidian violet]

Maybe but I think it looks bad as a spell. Holy Hammer looks so much better

[proud gorge]

like, I'm happy about this belt, because it's strong in exactly the way I hoped Mageblood would be reworked into, in that it's strong but also specific, and has build considerations beyond just "slap it onto literally any build for free stats"

[split maple]

isnt it less of an issue that folks usign mb + meldign have rn

[bold scarab]

Still waiting for physical tornados that can pick up lingering blades and swirl them like blade vortex

[split maple]

like it should be pretty nonissue

[grizzled lily]

holy sweep looked amazing and at good aoe it can full clear p much everyhting

[hexed mountain]

you're at 27 all resistance with the gull ( 65ish cold) you don't really need much else

[cobalt blade]

Ye its very much non issue you just fix it with jewel suffixes worst case

[charred hornet]

Some build like to have unique helmet like warcry slam for example

[obsidian violet]

I guess I should look at it again

[junior otter]

Yes brother believe in the sweep

[hexed mountain]

you can fix your res in a single ring

[split maple]

you need like 3 suffixes to cap

[tough cove]

shame that reliquarian lost howlcrack already

[split maple]

if using gull

[ancient snow]

orb regalia armour set..but did they show how it looks?

[cobalt blade]

that belt is completely fucked if it rolls action speed and you just go 3 ring slots to further offset the utility flask loss

[grizzled lily]

i played sweep slayer alr, this will just be inf better

[bold scarab]

Let me fix my res with a single item tho so I don't need the ring

[proud gorge]

yes but Mageblood requires zero additional res on gear

[tough cove]

which was like half the reason to play reliquarian based on what they showed in the first place

[ancient snow]

i swear to god if its another dark armour

[cobalt blade]

which already was worth going over mageblood for a handful of builds

[fossil mural]

3 rings is a an ascendancy notable still

[hexed mountain]

does mageblood give you diamond shrine and x5 your damage?

[spiral venture]

Are you fucking serious 😐

[split maple]

already diamond is pretty gg

[split maple]

bloodline

can fit anywhere

[junior otter]

I'm gonna be totally honest with you here I think it might actually be weaker than current sweep lmao

[proud gorge]

it does only one of those two things

[split maple]

just ff one of your nodes if you have 4 mandatories

[bold scarab]

Do you live under a rock

[fossil mural]

I mean it costs an ascendancy notable

[cobalt blade]

how many ascend do you really care for that 4th nodd

[rough tulip]

yeah guys, but think of whats gonna happen next time we get phrecia league and 99% of the playerbase rolls daughter of oshabi with this belt

[junior otter]

But it looks cooler so

[split maple]

ff

[proud gorge]

but also yes, it's a lot more offensively oriented than Mageblood

[tough cove]

anyone who didnt think keepers was going core was woefully ignorant

[spiral venture]

No, why

[fading tapir]

and how is that bad?

[obsidian violet]

HOw rare would that new belt be?

[fossil mural]

Hive stacker with guaranteed crit

[obsidian violet]

Do we know where it drops

[bold scarab]

They been saying that for like a week or 2 now

[proud gorge]

pretty rare probably

[tough cove]

also with atlas you can block or reduce the wall chance

[hexed mountain]

i mean diamond shrine with marylene on a non crit build is 500% crit multi roughly so

[tight plinth]

yes

[proud gorge]

the mirage league boss

[fossil mural]

I wish diamond shrine gave crit damage to scale

[obsidian violet]

Okay thanks

[brazen vector]

"Tree tree bad my early economy waahwaaah" and other arguments from keeper haters

[split maple]

does diamond already make explosions crit or do you need some base chance

it should right?

[cobalt blade]

yes

[hexed mountain]

it makes explosions crit

[scarlet jacinth]

Mhm kinda curious wether destructive play will be any good.. especially without anything too special coming from it now.

[split maple]

criting explos with grace of goddes instead of fuckign rod 😄

[tight plinth]

fucken ell

[cobalt blade]

it also makes heralds crit

[tough cove]

the best part is you can block breach if you hate it that much

[tight plinth]

crit explosions lmao

[fading tapir]

oh no im gonna get my 6link earlier waa

[brazen vector]

Ikr xD

[obsidian violet]

I saw that a Slam got nerfed. Bleed is still good right?

[bold scarab]

They bitch about necropolis because it was too hard ... They bitch about keepers because it's too good

[fossil mural]

Mandatory passives smh

[rough tulip]

they already said they "reduced" the rating tree items get, which knowing GGG means they probably nuked it

[obsidian violet]

I like breach, I just don't like all the others

[spiral venture]

Keepers is like one of the worst mechanics down the line that ever happened, everyone had and have very split opinions on about it's usefulness and profitability.

[gentle chasm]

aint nobody bitching that keepers was good LMAO

[hexed mountain]

talking about tree crafting i think

[brazen vector]

They bitch about affliction being too much loot, they bitch about keepers being too little loot too!

[spiral venture]

Keepers was the worst fucking league in recent times, 0 ground loot, 0 interest

[bold scarab]

I missed affliction sadge

[spiral venture]

The only loot we had in keepers was from Blight

[tough cove]

i mean, thats the way the atlas always has worked. most farm setups block 3 or more things already

[fading tapir]

item printer not profitable enough

[tight plinth]

goodbye then, cya when they remove it

[hexed mountain]

i had fun in keepers , cool new items

[brazen vector]

Not true

[cobalt blade]

Also a shrine people underestimate the power of is replenishing shrine % mana regen is not really a stat you can get easily in this game and it enables some stuuuupid shit

[proud gorge]

I mean, the argument with Keepers tree is that it's so good that it essentially removes a bunch of the crafting process of items, fully superceding a lot of existing crafting systems because it just shits out super well crafted rares. And yeah, they've very deliberately nerfed the tree to address this exact issue.

[split maple]

keeper had fun builds but boring loot

[gentle chasm]

tree deserved to get trimmed

[native abyss]

ground loot is SAVED

[limpid prairie]

I think ground loot is an overhyped issue

[spiral venture]

Affliction is the league that heavily split the community, economy dies on the 2nd-3rd day

[tough cove]

keepers isnt even in the top 5 worst mecahnics

[fossil mural]

Mana solved pag

[bold scarab]

The game didn't have any to begin with for the longest time

[cerulean breach]

does it? I'm aware it's flat and scales with %regen but people already could leech tens of thousands of mana / sec

[cobalt blade]

Like you could just fucking force in indigon if you properly balance your cast speed/mana regen

[fading tapir]

also they quite literally said they double the ground loot this patch so idk, you really need mental acrobatics to complain about these patch notes

[hexed mountain]

i must say this patch has one L tho : no toxic sewer

[tight plinth]

talisman?

[cobalt blade]

spells

[rough tulip]

twice of 0 is still 0

[bold scarab]

And besides you still slap bench crafts on your tree gear

[cobalt blade]

10% mana regen is a stupid statline

[split maple]

thats one heck of tripletap for rf - no harbs, nerf chief, nop toxic sewers

like why do rf now

[tough cove]

Talisman, net bestiary, old masters system, launch synth, archnemesis to name 5 real quick

[fading tapir]

if you have 0 then try pressing z

[proud gorge]

yes, they literally directly talked about that exact sentence you just said in the Q&A

[fossil mural]

Ultimatum but you dodge

[hexed mountain]

mana regen can be scale much much easier than mana leech tho

[rough tulip]

u stay in an ultimatum for 10 minutes

[tight plinth]

oh i got a taste of old masters system

[hexed mountain]

just mana regen on rings and stuff

[tight plinth]

before they replaced it in betrayal

or removed i mean

[cobalt blade]

pretty sure you could do your whole mana pool per second

[tight plinth]

follow haku or some non sense

[cobalt blade]

And im also pretty sure you can still do 100% mind over matter currently

[bold scarab]

Like the first true sense of crafting starts after you get like 20 fractures which you honestly will be in t16s before you even see 1

[cobalt blade]

With foulborns

[obsidian violet]

So it looks like Holy Sweep has Holy Hammers kind of baked into it? I don't like how much the character stands when using Holy Sweep though

[fossil mural]

Blunderbore and gull makes it 25% mana regen pag

[proud gorge]

the point is, loot drops is a very complicated system, one with an absolute shit ton of levers, any one of which could potentially break the whole thing, or do nothing, or destroy everything, etc. They said the whole "doubling ground loot" thing is just a bandaid fix for now, and if the league launches and things still feel really bad, the'll do a mid-league patch to buff it some more.

[placid inlet]

Did anyone take a hard look at the new juiced logbooks?

[cobalt blade]

Mana regen rate/mana recovery rate

[fossil mural]

What is there to look at

[bold scarab]

So ye early game crafting is literally just slap a mod from the bench when you need it and go about your day

[undone gazelle]

It that fled might replace rin/grav in transport to gamba for foulborns

[frigid wedge]

naca didn't u go to bed like 2h ago

[cobalt blade]

yeah but i couldnt sleep D:

[obsidian violet]

Is there a list of nerfed skills?

[placid inlet]

I mean, does it look like they are worth doing a lot of going forward, or are they not good compared to all the new map juice?

[fossil mural]

Am I the only one sad with awa scarab doing weird shit instead

[cobalt blade]

and now im doing the math for a 100% mom build that recovers a 10-15k mana pool every second in my head

[fossil mural]

No one can answer this but devs

[cobalt blade]

that belt has so much potential if it rolls shrines

[proud gorge]

yes it's called the Patch Notes

[dense rock]

rookie numbers, think higher

[bold scarab]

Wish trans RF burned mana instead of life ... Since it scales off of mana instead of life

[fossil mural]

Imbued harvest gone 😩

[tight plinth]

doesnt it?

[proud gorge]

it'd be ridiculously broken if it did though

[bold scarab]

Nope

[cobalt blade]

Ye you could get higher but its a decent chunk of invest to get 100% mon

[celest bone]

am i right in thinking this has a maraketh counterpart btw?

[tough cove]

mamba, pbod, eblade, earthshatter,

thats the 4 that i can see that got nerfed

[fossil mural]

That would literally be free then

[cobalt blade]

I think its from boss not from mirage mechanic

[tight plinth]

is the eblade nerf THAT bad?

[bold scarab]

It takes a % of your max mana ... And eats away at your life with that

[cobalt blade]

Enhance

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[proud gorge]

the current system lets you scale it off mana, a much easier to scale stat than life, but in exchange you need enough actual life recovery to cover for the burn cost

[tough cove]

its a huge nerf to surviability

[tight plinth]

its only 5% more es no?

[cobalt blade]

its a massive nerf

[celest bone]

i mean he is the main guy on the mirage league so surely

[hexed mountain]

You would enhance it and get much more ES

[cobalt blade]

Its a damage nerf too

[limpid prairie]

Sure? But think that maraketh counter parts have nothing to do

[cobalt blade]

The quality scaled your damage

[cobalt blade]

who knows

[celest bone]

ggg knows

[cobalt blade]

and then you did +2 support enhance 4 for an extra like 50 quality

[bold scarab]

Or have low mana that it's irrelivant burn on your life

[proud gorge]

no, the build's fine, eblade was played plenty before they added that quality line to the gem, people are overreacting. It's a definite nerf, and a significant one, but the build is still going to be perfectly playable.

[hexed mountain]

What would even be the counterpart of shrine

[cobalt blade]

and now its 35% less es instead of 50%

or whatever the math is

which is a direct damage up

[tight plinth]

damn i went from 10.4k es to 8.6k

[celest bone]

id imagne it might be affected when you have flasks active, no?

[tough cove]

yeah mamba and pbod are the only two that got hit significantly

[tight plinth]

thats pretty significant

[celest bone]

least thats how i see it

[tough cove]

mamba is completely dead

[bold scarab]

Mamba is in shambles cuz they screwed it in like 5 directions

[placid inlet]

Looks like they added a lot of dmg to.. Storm brand (name?)

[hexed mountain]

No way they do that. PF would break the game again

[proud gorge]

Mamba is a massive nerf though

[tough cove]

mamba caught at least 6 nerfs

[fossil mural]

They didnt hold back

[proud gorge]

it didn't just get triple tapped, it got quadruple tapped

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[cobalt blade]

it would be closer to a 3-4k es difference for that

Its a multiplier to your es

[elfin shale]

Its like 20%

[celest bone]

this is going to be a long fucking week

[placid inlet]

I saw someone do calcs on int accuracy stacker with mamba, 90% less dmg

[tight plinth]

yeah i tested it on my pob last last league

[tough cove]

yeah that sounds about right

[spice pecan]

chatroom, is storm brand copium

[limpid prairie]

Nice

[bold scarab]

I can already point to one of those nerfs that isn't because of mamba itself sadge ... That 3 poison sword screwed over the cluster jewel passive

[hexed mountain]

So 100M dps?

[cobalt blade]

Ya triple tapped still playable at higher budget but not worth the budget

[proud gorge]

I mean, the big thing they definitely wanted to nerf was using hit-based mamba for non-poison builds

[obsidian violet]

How is Kinetic Fusillade?

[cobalt blade]

10mirrors for 100m dps

[proud gorge]

that was the primary goal of the nerf

[hexed mountain]

Still OP

[fossil mural]

At multimirror budget

[tough cove]

the worst part is the 3 poison sword is dogwater

[dense rock]

fell below 100000000dps? 😄

[placid inlet]

Bino?

[tough cove]

at least the ignite sword has plenty of use cases

but the poison sword is just trash

[cobalt blade]

If your on a 1 mirror budget youll be in the range of 5-10m dps

[hexed mountain]

KF is the big surprise of the patch

[fossil mural]

It doesnt. Self ignite was nuked too

[placid inlet]

From 1.1b to 100m, yes

[elfin shale]

I have faith in the poison sword

[cobalt blade]

which is completely ass

[hoary scarab]

they didnt, it was just worded wrong

[bold scarab]

They did

[placid inlet]

How so?

[bold scarab]

Even if you word it right

[obsidian violet]

How? no nerfs you mean?

[proud gorge]

they did also nerf poison-based mamba, by a lot, but hit-based mamba was the main target of the nerf

[bold scarab]

It's still not good

[hexed mountain]

Yeah

[proud gorge]

poison-based was also quite strong though

[hoary scarab]

no, the "hits seperately" is wrong wording, they are gonna update the patch notes

[bold scarab]

Unless they just lied

Ok accident

[obsidian violet]

Is it easy to build it?

[bold scarab]

Oh

[placid inlet]

Poison mamba is the point of the skill, no?

[bold scarab]

Nvm

[cobalt blade]

surely

[elfin shale]

oh cool its still playable pog

[proud gorge]

yeah but it was kind of busted

[hoary scarab]

and the hit dmg nerf doesnt even apply to poison

[hexed mountain]

Yes. You can leaguestart it on totems then swap

[proud gorge]

you hit DoT cap ridiculously easily

[bold scarab]

We saved kek

[hoary scarab]

so poison mamba is mostly unchanged

[fossil mural]

Less attack speed doe

[placid inlet]

How does "hit separately" actively work?

[cobalt blade]

you swing twice

[bold scarab]

I ain't even playing it but thank god it's saved

[tough cove]

its a lot changed because 30% less attack speed is god awful on strikes

[elfin shale]

Every attack is two hits (kills mamba because you can only inflict 1 poison)

[cobalt blade]

how every other dual wield works

Except like ambi

[obsidian violet]

I'm thinking of starting with one of the holy skills or KF

[cobalt blade]

And a few other niche ones

[tight plinth]

how good is ultimatum without the gruelling keystone?

[tough cove]

like you have to have attack speed to make strikes feel decent in the first place

[proud gorge]

eh, the big nerf to mamba is that mamba only lets you poison once, so it hitting in two separate hits is a big nerf. Plus, Low Tolerance got a big nerf as well

[bold scarab]

Well the entire identity of mamba is you press it once and the prolif does all the work ... So it doesn't need to attack fast

[tough cove]

except theres an animation

[elfin shale]

You want to attack fastish for wither

[cobalt blade]

It still feels ass

[split maple]

allrite, what 3 rewards less? depends on how price of catalyzing will adjust

[bold scarab]

It does but like I see the vision kinda sorta

[tough cove]

and lower attack speed = longer animation

[fossil mural]

It doesnt say hit damage doe, it just says dealing 20% less damage?

[hoary scarab]

again, its not doing that, patch notes are wrong

[proud gorge]

only for clear, for bossing your goal is to synch up a high attack speed and a very low poison duration

[cobalt blade]

Nah mamba does enhanced withering step

[tough cove]

and also a LONGER window for the goddamn mob to walk out of your melee range and you to miss

because melee is stupid

[cobalt blade]

it doesnt bother with wither on hit

[hexed mountain]

If mamba still poisons with both weapons bino mamba is proba ly still a fun build with the new spread

[proud gorge]

so that every attack poisons, then the poison wears off by the time your next attack lands

[elfin shale]

Usually it goes PF wither doesnt it

[fossil mural]

That line nerfs the ring and nothing else

[tight plinth]

im assuming itll be pricier since cws chief got shanked

[cobalt blade]

It does that for wither effect

[elfin shale]

And Fleshrender

[cobalt blade]

It applies with withering step

[bold scarab]

ig

[brazen vector]

I just realised my golems are on the W, E, T, A keys

[split maple]

less folks running ulti

since a lot of folks wont adjust to new build

[tough cove]

also you want high attack speed because your fishing for master toxicology/chem procs

[elfin shale]

Also hitting in two separate hits halves Mamba's damage

[placid inlet]

= more profit for those who do?

[fossil mural]

Oh yea you can use mamba with 2h

[cobalt blade]

its just not worth scaling the atk speed to do wither on hit

[split maple]

yeah less demand for catalyzing scarb i am guessing

[fossil mural]

Thats supposed to be wrong wording

[split maple]

so easier to make dough

[bold scarab]

Should I just go blind for once

[elfin shale]

yeah but if it isnt skill deadge

[tight plinth]

i wanna go guardian start

[tough cove]

i suspect the skill is still deadge

[elfin shale]

I really want to make Fleshrender work, maybe Leap Slam of Groundbreaking?

[cobalt blade]

mathematically cws is still fine just higher budget

[fossil mural]

Have to actually play the game wow

[hexed mountain]

No essence draik buff btw. Guess the skill is viable and not Z tier

[tough cove]

mamba was a semi clunky skill carried by immense damage output in short interactions

[split maple]

whats needed 5 recoup jewels?

[fossil mural]

Ignore block + ruin instant dead

[split maple]

bigger issue is no block grueling ruin

[cobalt blade]

recoup rings afaik pretty much solve it

[fossil mural]

Cant afk grueling is one of the biggest nerfs

[elfin shale]

ooo what about shock nova of procession mines

[cobalt blade]

especially with suffix qual

[fossil mural]

Ig you can afk and watch at mods

[split maple]

oh yea dont need hateful accuser there

[cobalt blade]

But ye ignore block one is gonna suck for grueling they'll need to build evasion

ya

[tight plinth]

my question is, could you just walk in circles if you get the no block option? 🤔

[fossil mural]

You can

[bold scarab]

No

[cobalt blade]

No theres a ruin ghost that instants you without avoidance

[split maple]

ruin1-3 is easy, ruin 4 is a tad risky but doable

[tight plinth]

well balls

[fossil mural]

Ruin 4 is very fast and multihit I think?

[cobalt blade]

ye

and its ranged

or atleast one of them is

[tight plinth]

oh its ranged?

oh

[brazen vector]

damn thats cool

[charred hornet]

I mean i do ultimatum sometimes....the ruin is the problem,and that less recovery,it think its up to 90%

[frigid wedge]

?

[split maple]

i am so pissy i just bought the mob counter one

that new one is jsut better

[cobalt blade]

bramble valleys killed 0 mobs?

[timid scroll]

are small atlas nodes monsters have a chance to drop additional connected map changed?

[brazen vector]

can pin your alva bug kill records :D

[limpid prairie]

Are you in time for refund? Is that a thing?

[brazen vector]

its way way way better

[hexed mountain]

Probs just additional map

[fossil mural]

Ulti has no evasion ignore at all? Huh

But ruin mob still has spells

Psure

[charred hornet]

It has all attack hit from what i remember

[limpid prairie]

But what about the mirage Ultimatum

[charred hornet]

Or you cannot evade

[cobalt blade]

Oh also another thing to solve it is charge on hit flasks

[frigid wedge]

spell dodge

[cobalt blade]

With the recover 4% life on flask use mastery

[fossil mural]

75% is just not enough

[cobalt blade]

the thing budget cws builds do already without bloodnotch

[split maple]

oh that ghetto emiracles setup from day1

pls no 😛

[cobalt blade]

Ya

[tight plinth]

i wonder if destructive play with originator voidstone gonna be decent profit farming exceptional gems

[cobalt blade]

Its good recovery helps offset it alot

[fossil mural]

I saw that. Flask piano

[cobalt blade]

I mean you just use when full it and its fine

[prime hill]

less ultimatum rings posted in g1 will be good for mental sanity

[cobalt blade]

i remember the pf setup with 7 charge on hit flasks for that mastery

[hexed mountain]

Why are you in global 1

[limpid prairie]

They look pretty huge

[prime hill]

g1 is fun

[cobalt blade]

It sure as hell was balanced

[fossil mural]

Can still afk white map ultis for catals

[prime hill]

for early league

[split maple]

surely doubling currency weighting means i wont need to ulti at all

[spice pecan]

g1 is only to be used during late league

[split maple]

so no need to worry

surely

[tight plinth]

who hangs out in global

[runic terrace]

Who was having the next interview in a few days with the devs? Cant find the post

[frigid wedge]

mesa with 10 lightning warps per sec gonna go hard

[hexed mountain]

Global ssf is great tbh

[fossil mural]

They didnt double the weight

[prime hill]

g1 schizo's are fun

[cobalt blade]

inb4 catalysts only ulti like fossils to delve

[prime hill]

in early league

[fossil mural]

They removed weight by removing some shit

[spice pecan]

true, it's fun

[brazen vector]

HMM AH YES

[rough tulip]

wait, that new belt also means u can run 5 instant hp flasks right? LOGIN

[split maple]

first 2 weeks i dont rly like it, but late league its the best 😄

[tight plinth]

do you get at least one boss without killing mobs?

[fossil mural]

And a tincture

[frigid wedge]

tornado shit

[surreal musk]

i can run 5 divination distillites

[hexed mountain]

Yeah it gets better later but i still like the first weeks

[cobalt blade]

That has duration

[tight plinth]

idk what that means

[fossil mural]

Unequip it

After use

[hexed mountain]

Always nice info passing by and stuff

[cobalt blade]

the belt disables during any flask effect instants only

[frigid wedge]

asenaths mark triggered from tornado shot

[cobalt blade]

and now its ass to play

[frigid wedge]

to warp