1┃general

[spare ore]

ur makin me angry

[neon veldt]

and has 0.7 attack speed or sth

[peak heron]

because im correct

[hexed mountain]

he seems to be slamming the ground to start the wave of hammers , probably is a slam and can be exerted too

[spare ore]

: (((

[tranquil geyser]

good for clearing. bad for bossing

[steel light]

can they unnerf vfos for slam league?

[spare ore]

true

[gentle ice]

holy!

[spare ore]

make vfos great again

[normal hedge]

hey guys here my earthshatter holy hammer build

[raw cove]

The league mechanic itself is never really teased outside of the name reveal trailer. Otherwise it's usually just small qol or new skills/supports

[steel patrol]

melee looking sweet this league

[steel light]

hate this anti climax guy here

[gentle ice]

that looks interesting 🤔

[violet osprey]

usually theres qols and small insights to core changes, but weve had pretty much nothing so far

[raw cove]

cimex*

[neon veldt]

nah, nerf it even more tbh

[steel light]

u're being an anti climax now

[violet osprey]

nah GGG is being anti climax

[spice pecan]

feels good to be back ngl

[fringe ermine]

I hope that wont be a slam patch

[spice pecan]

lmao

[heady forge]

Holy hammers? Looks cool but its ANOTHER GODDAMN SLAM like come on...

[tight plinth]

whenever i see belakay post all i can think of is this

https://tenor.com/view/blake-substitute-teacher-key-and-peele-coroca-gif-18565139

[opal ingot]

wow foulborn lethal pride

what timeless jewel is that

[split pagoda]

we had slam league for 2 years alrdy pls nerfs this time around

[spice pecan]

for when i need to blast some blunts

[tranquil geyser]

9 hammers from the sky. maybe this number can be scaled further

[opal ingot]

oh lmao

[shrewd arrow]

Not supporting poe1..let it die please and work on poe2

[vocal pier]

poe 1>poe 2

[tight plinth]

1/10

[spice pecan]

#2┃general i think you're lost

[peak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-this-man-kill-lebron-lebron-james-lakers-gif-4353540203327218976

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry4-nero-punching-gif-26661061

[heady forge]

Like why couldn't it be an attack where you'd slam a holy hammer onto something and it'd reverberate a holy explosion behind the monster

Why did it have to be a slam

[violet osprey]

rage bait used to be believable

[raw fable]

I heard you like slams

[heady forge]

I don't

[hard cliff]

Smite exists

[raw fable]

https://tenor.com/view/harrypotter-harry-dumbledore-gif-25590564

[ember goblet]

poe2 ahh attack

[vocal pier]

damn guy deleted his tag

[ember goblet]

holy slow

[empty bronze]

ice shot

[opal ingot]

did u know the transfigured version of holy hammer is called holy hammer of divine judgement

[empty bronze]

thats just ice shot

i need skills that orbit you

[violet osprey]

still waiting for the day GGG makes an actual good skill thats new

[empty bronze]

like hammerdin from last epoch

[violet osprey]

kinetic rain was dead on arrival this league

[dry wedge]

NERF SLAMS.... HOLY this shit is unreal

[raw fable]

BV exists

[empty bronze]

ball lighting of orbiting should orbit your character

[fossil mural]

what

[opal ingot]

kf

[empty bronze]

and ggg are cowards for not doing so

[empty bronze]

yeah but thats got a cap

:(

[heady forge]

They have. Just not an attack skill

[empty bronze]

also projectiles that orbit you are cooler

[spice pecan]

kinetic fusillade

[dry wedge]

so fastest speedrunner prob get faster.. FUCK slams build

[spice pecan]

kr of impact is okay, the rest are ass, but kf is gucci mane

[heady forge]

Melee attack*

[warm musk]

If they nerf kf idk anymore

[opal ingot]

you're gonna idk in a week

say your prayers

kf is getting an orbital strike

[spice pecan]

dont worry you weren't faster than anyone anyways

[normal hedge]

ggg dojnt even know howKF works

they'll be too busy nerfing tornado shot again

[empty bronze]

fun fact

[signal hawk]

Lightning Holy Hammer Inquisitor

[empty bronze]

hidden blades was bugged

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3504319/page/8#p26574081

[warm musk]

pls noooooo

[heady forge]

I'm really hoping PoE2 will actually have good dedicated melee skills for daggers. Because everything about melee daggers in 1 just sucks.

[spice pecan]

yeah, we saw mark's post on hidden blades

we've known for a while that something was fucked

[opal ingot]

please ggg, no more atk speed nerf..

[spice pecan]

mamba and coc cyclone builds use daggers

endgame rf also uses a stat stick dagger

[opal ingot]

lets play mamba together

one last time

[steel light]

@spice pecan come to the dark side

[hexed mountain]

no nerf for KF you read it here first , its weak and requires bad jewelry to even work , pissbad skill should be buffed GGG

[spice pecan]

i fucking hate ultimatum

[empty bronze]

ggg should buff chaos dot skills

[opal ingot]

i agree

[empty bronze]

iirc they kinda suck

[spice pecan]

the only time i have less fun than ultimatum is setting up a betrayal board

[shrewd arrow]

I hope so. It has 15 years of support. Yeah let's give equal time to our 15 year old game and our NEW game is EA. 🙄

[hexed mountain]

x2 essence drain base dot and it might be playable

[opal ingot]

you need websites to calculate and it's only 10% as effective as a good skill smhsmh

[heady forge]

That's not what I meant by melee. CoC cyclon isn't melee. Mamba is just poison and rf is rf.

I'm talking an actual melee strike that is meant to be a melee strike

[empty bronze]

i would love wasd movement even if its janky

[hexed mountain]

(lowkey i would LOVE essence drain viable its such a comfortable skill to play)

[nova leaf]

Could not be any less hyped for 3.28

[empty bronze]

like i dont care if it makes me stutterstep

[normal hedge]

mamba isnt just poison

lol

[spice pecan]

mamba was defs meant to be just poison

just like fbok was meant to be cold dot

[rare heron]

is the holy hammers thing a mtx or an actual gem?

[empty bronze]

actual gem

[hexed mountain]

i'm scared my beautiful mamba pf is getting nerfed because of these heathens hit mamba slayers

[lucid gale]

The Hidden Blades explanation was neat to read.

[heady forge]

I doubt they'd make a teaser for an MTX like that

[rare heron]

thats a massive trailer wtf

[empty bronze]

i dont think theres any skill that behaves like that

so its gotta be new

[rare heron]

bleed slam 2.0 coming with holy this time

really excited

[civic charm]

I think I found my skill

[silk scroll]

they wouldn't do a random teaser like that for a mtx

[steel light]

vfos died for lesser sin

[rare heron]

i might run RF chieftain ngl

[empty bronze]

its like a slam barrage

[heady forge]

All complaints about melee aside I'd play the holy slam

[civic charm]

Was gonna be KF but that looks great

[hexed mountain]

do remember that if you play holy hammer on any class that isnt inquisitor you're a heathen and you will be hunted down by the spanish inquisition

[rare heron]

sick AOE ngl

[heady forge]

But only if I can do it on templar

[spare ore]

https://tenor.com/view/devious-cat-gif-6063409939592131780

[empty bronze]

wait

it might give power charges

[rare heron]

good league starter bro what

i hope its like bleed slam

fast

and good mobility

whatever build is coming

[opal ingot]

no it gives holy charges

[empty bronze]

no charges then charges, or its just two clips spliced together

[hard cliff]

HOW

[rare heron]

i dont think there are charges

[vale compass]

Imagine new skill has restriction - only usable with war staves

[rare heron]

would be silly if they didnt showcase that too

[spare ore]

that's that unc league starter

[hexed mountain]

holy hammer strength will probably depend on its behaviour with AoE , if inc AoE doesnt help damage overlap it might just be good for clear (depending on numbers)

[tight plinth]

two clips i think

[rare heron]

aoe gem with that would be insane ngl

[normal hedge]

lets assume inc aoe bricks the skill

[heady forge]

Or well, maybe he just has some charges on kill or something like that

[hard cliff]

Gorgeous boy

[rare heron]

u reckon u can offscreen with this

with aoe perk

[dreamy charm]

so we playing pohx rf 🆗

[hard cliff]

May I know his name ?

[normal hedge]

and it speads the area instead of overlapping

[rare heron]

gem*

its kinda slow

should be instant

[hexed mountain]

lowkey the number of "bounces" could be like pconc of bouncing and be increased by additional chains tho

[empty bronze]

any idea what gear they are wearing?

[heady forge]

Yeah I was already considering reduced area of effect but I wonder if it shotguns

[empty bronze]

i see the slam unique helmet

the funny looking one

[hard cliff]

Increased by STR

[empty bronze]

?

[rare heron]

strength stacker build?

[hard cliff]

WRONG PERSON

[rare heron]

if this is a gem, there shud be a vaal version no?

[empty bronze]

no

not every gem has a vaal version

[rare heron]

sucks

slam gem, would be nice if it does

like bleed slam

[tranquil geyser]

vaal version is a circle around the exile

[empty bronze]

they might

but we dont know

im not a big fan of bleed

[normal hedge]

mirage gems login

[rare heron]

yeah i know im saying there should be one

i played bleed slam last szn its really fun

and OP

[tight plinth]

why?

[tranquil geyser]

I hope so

[modern zinc]

holy hammers? holy shit

[rare heron]

cant wait for fubgun to play it so the items get inflated to oblivion

nice !

[violet osprey]

key word shit

[grizzled lily]

holy hammers

[modern zinc]

jejejejejejeje

[tall ice]

Never know. It could be the shit.

[native token]

The by far strongest league start archetype gets better

I love it

[rare heron]

is there gonna be a new class

and is there any info on what the mechanic is gonna be

[violet osprey]

its going to be shit unless they give it better numbers than earthshatter

[tall ice]

what is this, poe2?

[rare heron]

I lowkey havent caught up at all

[rare heron]

😭

[zealous yarrow]

Farm and sell whatever he uses, infinite money glitch off of the goobers

[tight plinth]

lance scaling slam aoe all of a sudden, he knows something

[tall ice]

earthshatter was popular.

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-1251875630135871970

[rare heron]

yeah gonna do that i think

[native token]

It's op

[surreal musk]

without fubgun HH would be a 10d item

[grizzled lily]

holy hammers kinda op

[tranquil geyser]

3x3 matrix

[modern zinc]

this video got recommended to me as well lmao

[zealous yarrow]

I was selling crafted wands and bows and I was done with keepers in roughly 2 weeks

[hexed mountain]

without shroudwalker HH would be a 150d item

[rare heron]

i was done with it in 2 weeks aswell, got really lucky w my crafts

dont show the trailer to fubgun

[empty bronze]

Coronal Maul and echoes of creation equipped

not sure what else

[native token]

Didn't fubgun baited everyone in the second best slam skill ?

[vale compass]

he already seen it

[zealous yarrow]

W, I was tempted to farm the hundreds of div for a slightly better doppleganger but decided it wasn’t worth it lol

[rare heron]

gg

[rare heron]

It sucked tho, i wanted to enjoy it more, after i was done w the build i was kinda bored ngl

[empty bronze]

is holy hammers actually just slam Artillery Ballista

[rare heron]

so i quit for the szn

[vale compass]

hes coping bows will be buffed

[surreal musk]

abowba

[rare heron]

Copium

[empty bronze]

i have an idea

[native token]

But why do we get new skills in poe1 when it's supposed to be shut down in couple of leagues

[empty bronze]

holy hammers is a minion skill

raise zombie of falling but its hammers

[modern zinc]

wdym shut down lmao

this game is gonna last forever

[opal ingot]

cuz they want to milk us players

[floral charm]

i hate that i wanna play this game again bc i enjoy pd2 and apparently poe1 is most like pd2 then poe2

[empty bronze]

its not shutting down?

this feels like bait

[native token]

Poe2 community telling me poe1 will be shut down soon since poe2 is the future

[empty bronze]

payday 2?

[zealous yarrow]

Bows will always be relegated to tornado shot till the end of time nowadays

[empty bronze]

ggg has said it wont

[zealous yarrow]

Trust

[empty bronze]

so

[floral charm]

project diablo 2

[modern zinc]

sure bro, and brooms are going to be discontinued because cleaning bots are the future

[empty bronze]

ok i was super confused

[opal ingot]

its true. we have to pack it up

[empty bronze]

neither poe1 or poe2 are anything like payday 2

[rare heron]

we need to buff kinetic blast for fubgun

[zealous yarrow]

Yeah, and fishing rods can’t catch fish

[rare heron]

poe2 the future my fucking ass

downloaded it, started the game and closed it asap

[floral charm]

yeah porject diablo 2 is a mod for diablo 2 that gives it new skills and stuff and new endgame, and i recently played it bc im burntout of poe 2

[empty bronze]

porject

[empty bronze]

the neat thing about poe is you can stop playing and come back later

[modern zinc]

I can't stop playing poe

[floral charm]

i need more build variety in games and pd2 made me realize i kinda like watching everything on the screen explode and instakilling bosses, i liked poe2 for the fact its more slow combat, but pd2 made me realized fast paced isnt all that bad

[empty bronze]

i think there are poe2 builds that can do that

[zealous yarrow]

Poe 1 and 2 are two sides on the same coin of slop and bad decisions tbh

[sage falcon]

let's not

[empty bronze]

poe2 is genuinely making old poe1 mistakes sometimes

[floral charm]

I hated poe 1 because it was so fast that i got bored of everything exploding u just spam tp and wipe maps in second but, pd2 made me realize it isnt bad and i might play ruthless lol

[empty bronze]

like the crafting at launch was just old poe1 crafting

[zealous yarrow]

Poe 1 is still making Poe 1 mistakes 😭

[floral charm]

because i still dont like spamming movement skills

[zealous yarrow]

^

[vale compass]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-hot-sweat-sweaty-nervous-gif-14910963750902183937

[empty bronze]

see in poe1

[opal ingot]

i heard that mirage league mechanic is going to be a boss rush

[empty bronze]

you can do stuff like this

[modern zinc]

what I don't like in poe 2 is how you have to dash all the time

feels like i'm playing dark sould

[empty bronze]

no you didnt

[opal ingot]

after you gain enough dust points,you can spend it to fight an uber version of a map boss

[empty bronze]

you heard somebody say that

nobody knows what the league mechanic is gonna be

people are just saying stuff and hoping its true

[opal ingot]

then two choices appear in front of you. one is a mirage and one is not

[tight plinth]

I heard the league mechanic involves doors

[surreal musk]

i heard mirage league is gonna be liberating the maraketh for their oil

[tight plinth]

A lot of doors

[empty bronze]

mirage is gonna be the csgo map

[opal ingot]

if you pick the mirage, it's going to disappear

[vale compass]

its a boat league trust

[tight plinth]

And walls

[opal ingot]

yes i did

[opal ingot]

i applied for ggg so i heard one of the employees talk about it

i overheard it

[empty bronze]

@opal ingot

[empty bronze]

yeah and my dad owns microsoft

[zealous yarrow]

No mine does

[tight plinth]

Your dad is steve jobs?

[zealous yarrow]

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

[empty bronze]

he used to be called hans

[opal ingot]

"i heard x"
"no you didn't, you heard somebody say that"

[native abyss]

my dad works at blizzard

[modern zinc]

the voices in my head told me so

[empty bronze]

i trust this guy

tell us what the voices said

[zealous yarrow]

Chud behaviors abroad

[grizzled lily]

if that skill is a slam, it can easily becomes vfos 2.0

look at that clear dude

hopefully its not vigilant strike cf

[empty bronze]

vfos?

[grizzled lily]

cd*

[opal ingot]

trapped behind an attack speed only a mother could love

[empty bronze]

+1.3 second attack time

so you cant even reduce it with attack speed

[modern zinc]

I miss sseth review videos

[zealous yarrow]

Poe 2 warrior attack speeds broseiden

[surreal musk]

cooldown can be bypassed by spending 10 rage

[grizzled lily]

holy tourist hahaha got it?

[tight plinth]

You pay 10k gold per use of holy hammer

[fossil mural]

10k is way too low

[modern zinc]

poe doesn't really starts until you get 4 voidstones tbh

[zealous yarrow]

At least 25k, there’s not a point going too high, the rich in gold mfs are going to have the gold anyways

[opal ingot]

i like it

it gives the feeling of a "super attack"

[fossil mural]

cant generate rage 10 seconds after using the skill

[surreal musk]

on tuesdays

[grizzled lily]

charts will say otherwise lol

thats when the playercount plummets

[empty bronze]

no

[modern zinc]

wtf

[zealous yarrow]

Erm actually it starts when I press play

[empty bronze]

poe starts in act 1

[modern zinc]

that's when you start doing valdos and t17s

and voids

why would it plummet

[zealous yarrow]

Mhm

[grizzled lily]

holy larp

talking ab valdos

[opal ingot]

✋ ✋✋ no thanks on the valdos

[zealous yarrow]

I go glad (:

[empty bronze]

can you talk like a normal person or go away?

[zealous yarrow]

Better floor for void farming

[grizzled lily]

wtf?

[normal hedge]

sage can you gift me this

[zealous yarrow]

My mageblood came from a valdo I’ll have you know

This league at least

[empty bronze]

volcanic fissure of snaking

[zealous yarrow]

I gambled with the car strat last league

[empty bronze]

you couldnt have just said

[zealous yarrow]

xd

Honestly just say snaking tbh

[grizzled lily]

weirdo

[empty bronze]

no you

[opal ingot]

i dont know if that looks cool or not

[whole bluff]

they should name the skill Hammerfall

[empty bronze]

i play this game a lot but i cannot for the life of me keep all the acronyms in my head

[whole bluff]

and get copyright strike, still worth it

[opal ingot]

try pming him and say "offer 800 divs"

[normal hedge]

the other one is ugly af

[whole bluff]

tbf, I have no idea what songs Hammerfall made

[opal ingot]

if u use a dagger, it turns to daggerfall

[whole bluff]

but it sounds like a good rock band

[whole bluff]

more blade skills give

[tight plinth]

Is that a new strike skill?

[solemn relic]

I’m back to try again to convince y’all to let kingsmarch stay in the game

[whole bluff]

it should be

[hexed mountain]

dagger only skill when

[tight plinth]

Silences enemies

[whole bluff]

they should release a new weapon named Metallica, a slam named Hammerfall, and a strike named Copyright Strike

and a shield named Iron Maiden, claw named Nine Inch Nails, etc

[grizzled lily]

dont we have

[opal ingot]

we dont have anything

we dont have ground loot

[grizzled lily]

the puppet mistress

[whole bluff]

we are exiles in a lootless world

[grizzled lily]

master of puppets

hehehe

[opal ingot]

my only refuge is harvest

[spice pecan]

i wish there was a command to just insta delete all contents of a tab tbh

[empty bronze]

?

[rough tulip]

its ok, they said we will get an endgame and scarab rework this league so it surely gets fixed

[whole bluff]

I guess that works if you consider the names analog... anologous... animalous? same

[empty bronze]

kingsmarch went core a while ago?

[opal ingot]

unironically im excited

[rough tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/summer-child-my-sweet-summer-child-old-nan-game-of-thrones-gif-5580217

[opal ingot]

full of hope, joy and whimsy

trust inggg

[empty bronze]

deletes all the scarabs

[opal ingot]

you faithless mongrels

[solemn relic]

does anyone remember when dropping an exalted orb (when they were the trading currency) was actually rare? ppl complain about ground loot now but forget that making 15 ex/hr was basically unheard of a few years ago

[rough tulip]

if we wanted that, we would be playing ruthless

[empty bronze]

you can add sacrifice fragments to your map device for 5% item quantity per fragment

fun fact

[hexed mountain]

loot bad (also we're farming a mageblood in 10 hours) loot bad tho

[vale compass]

GGG should get blind guardian to make something wreaclast themed

[empty bronze]

if you put a single sacrifice fragment in your map device you can open up a vaal side area

[opal ingot]

you know what else was a few years ago

affliction

[simple oyster]

Loot IS bad for basically everyone but the 1%

[hexed mountain]

the release of morbius the best movie of all time?

[spice pecan]

I CANT SEE SHIT

FUCK

[simple oyster]

Just like in real life.

[solemn relic]

yeah and ppl made like 100 Div/hr in affliction lol

[empty bronze]

glaucoma

[hexed mountain]

deserved for selling 1c items

[opal ingot]

why would you let that poor man buy yellow beasts in market 🥹

[spice pecan]

i've had 60 yellow beasts for 1c in that tab for months

and now that i added more, suddenly someone wants to buy them all

wtf?

[opal ingot]

180k gold wasted on 60 yellows

[vale compass]

popped up first in the search

[spice pecan]

nah, yellow beasts for chisels pop up first

[vale compass]

but yeah yellow beasts are a gold void

[spice pecan]

unless they specifically searched for chaos

but yeah

[opal ingot]

i ethically sell my yellows on bulk listings

because i care for my buyers

[spice pecan]

yeah i was going to bulk sell on tft if they got unlocked and didn't sell

[opal ingot]

you are just funnelling money to big faustus when he already has billions of gold

[spice pecan]

i didn't really expect them to sell but whatever, +120c i guess

[blissful zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/dreamybull-gif-2667384851633282250

[spice pecan]

also pro tip

never run legion on abomination

this shit ASS

[opal ingot]

xd

[whole bluff]

big faustus already has a chokehold on the market that he wont ever let go off

[opal ingot]

i haven't run a legion strat since 3.24

[whole bluff]

we already lost

[solemn relic]

hot take but ground loot isn’t actually that bad, ppl are just so used to insane drop rates from recent leagues. Also kingsmarch and the genesis tree being better for loot definitely doesn’t help lol

[spice pecan]

it is very bad

[vale compass]

well eventually ange pries his cold fingers of the market

[fossil path]

From recent leagues?

[whole bluff]

no, that is just faustus with a wig

[spice pecan]

in ~200 eternal conflict legions i only recently dropped my first divine from the mobs themselves

[opal ingot]

if they keep genesis tree equips , theyre definitely gonna nerf the modifiers on the gear stuff

[vale compass]

ooo I see so he faked his death and made himself new identity - smart man

[whole bluff]

yup

[grizzled lily]

loots been cooked for 10 leagues now buddy, this is the 2nd kalandra league

[whole bluff]

so he could get more gold

[spice pecan]

i think if you haven't played pre-kalandra, your view of ground loot is perhaps not accurate

[solemn relic]

I don’t believe that lol, I dropped a divine and a valdo box today from running like 15 alch n go t16s

[spice pecan]

i'm sure you got lucky

[vale compass]

scrudge has nothing on piles of gold faustus must have accumulated

[fossil path]

I mean, it doesn't even take playing pre-kalandra to see the difference between normal mobs and the single juice mechanic in any map.

[whole bluff]

I just want other players to play and buy my tile loot ngl

[spice pecan]

200 plus giga juiced 8mod eternal conflict legions with nothing but bubblegum currency as ground loot until just now says otherwise

[whole bluff]

idc about ground loot much

[spice pecan]

also, what dropped the valdo and the divine?

[opal ingot]

i miss the days i kill a rare and the fucking sun just shows up

[solemn relic]

I’ve been playing since 3.13, and even shit like nemesis 3 didn’t drop as many raw exalts as most strats do today tbh

[spice pecan]

like what did you click on to get them

[opal ingot]

fuckton of good gilded scarabs

or tinks

just shining on my face

[grizzled lily]

bro before kalandra the loot was there no matter what, ever since then every juiced mechanic was just combination of mechanics tapped together to drop anything, tormented spirits, alva beyond before and the one now that got gutted into people finding a new bug for it

[whole bluff]

I like to make a lot of profit per market investigation

[solemn relic]

like random magic mobs, exarch mobs etc

[whole bluff]

that's what I have against ground loot

[fossil path]

If you think "ground loot is bad" means "there's no loot anywhere" then you are mistaken

[spice pecan]

you sure it wasn't from like clicking an expedition box or something

[solemn relic]

I’m certain

[spice pecan]

congrats, you got lucky then

[civic charm]

Is slam any good for blight?

[spice pecan]

anyways, t17 legion is F tier

[solemn relic]

Maybe but that’s about my average. Maybe 2-3 tinks per 10-20 maps

Not even including scarabs etc

I also dropped like 3 tink scarabs today

[whole bluff]

I'm erratic enough to make my life hard without needing to price check and have most spells randomly suck

[cobalt blade]

how many of those come from loot tiles ex an arcanist box

[solemn relic]

and I’m not targeting them

[civic charm]

Legion was always bubble gum right?

[solemn relic]

I’m not doing any tile stuff

[spice pecan]

it's bubblegum but with eternal conflict you CAN drop decent shit from the mobs themselves.. sometimes

again, in 200+ eternal conflicts i literally dropped my first raw tink from the mobs today

[civic charm]

I mean people qqing about ground loot. The only way they'll make ground loot better is by removing scours like in Poe 2.

[solemn relic]

I’m only killing regular mobs, map bosses, exarch mobs

[civic charm]

And then ppl will QQ about crafting

[spice pecan]

this is 1x officer, 1x eternal conflict, 2x legion, 1x horned nemeses on 8mod t16 maps

[cobalt blade]

exarch altars are loot tiles (albiet would only apply to some scarabs/div cards)

[whole bluff]

legion used to have good chances for bigger currency afaik

but that would be tile

to my understanding

[cobalt blade]

(like drops carto scarabs altar or smth tho that might be eater)

[civic charm]

Ground loot in Poe 2 is good/decent. But rn we have no reason to identify anything on the ground in Poe 1 because you can just get a base and craft on it. Past day 2 that's what you will do.

[spice pecan]

bring back the og divination scarab

for the love of god

so we can at least always do something

[cobalt blade]

yee id love to actually be able to juice div cards again

[spice pecan]

div cards being fucking dogshit rng is so ass

[solemn relic]

That I do agree with 100%, Div card farming is pretty impossible atm

[civic charm]

Why is it impossible atm?

[grizzled lily]

holy hammers

[spice pecan]

even if you juice the boss with pilfering it's still a random grab bag of cards

[cobalt blade]

its not impossible its just bad

[civic charm]

Ppl farm cards all the time?

[spice pecan]

we used to

[grizzled lily]

they farm stacked decks or

[spice pecan]

back when div scarab existed

[cobalt blade]

you can no longer get 300% card quant of the cards explicitly in that map its just loot boxes from diviners boxes

[spice pecan]

no, cloister used to just be div scarab

[grizzled lily]

they farm the boss with cards

these days

[spice pecan]

there was even a scarab that let you pick 10 maps of div cards and those would only drop

[grizzled lily]

no more card farming

[spice pecan]

even this is terrible

[cobalt blade]

curation was fucked up

[whole bluff]

Wdym, divination cards come in random showers from boxes of global div card pool giving target farmable loot in specific maps. I see no huge contradiction in this

(current way of farming div cards defeats the purpose of div cards)

[grizzled lily]

what if, if youre in a specific map, and you open a stacked deck DROPPED from that map, you only get map related cards

like crimson prison becomes 10 times easier

[cobalt blade]

that would be broken

[grizzled lily]

that would be cooltho

[whole bluff]

nah, theyd need to store data on decksä

which might make decks not tradeable

[grizzled lily]

no cause

if you leave the map

[spice pecan]

tl;dr:

vertical scarab progression is ass; you go in the map, do the mechanic, and leave (maybe clear for altars but the mobs dont drop shit anyway)

maybe implement something that rewards you for completing multiple different league mechanics within the same map that juices the other mechs per mech you have completed

[grizzled lily]

they become normal stacked decks

[whole bluff]

at least on faustus you cant sell beasts cuz they have mods

[spice pecan]

that is the only answer i have

[whole bluff]

I guess that could work

[grizzled lily]

like a mechanic where you have to open them

on the spot

and not trade them

like a prick

[neon veldt]

i never traded breach hands, everything i self farmed

[spice pecan]

like a staircase mechanic where you think about which league mech you want to start with to juice others and then end up at whatever it is you want to actually DO

[grizzled lily]

breach hands never sold

anyways

only corrupted ones

with strike skills etc or

smth smth tornado

[opal ingot]

breach hands?

grafts?

[grizzled lily]

grafts

yes

[opal ingot]

lol

[spice pecan]

like, you complete an abyss - +x% quant/rarity to all the other league mechs, then you do breach, same deal

[grizzled lily]

in phrecia some of mine sold

[spice pecan]

and then you arrive at the mechanic you actually want to do

[grizzled lily]

only because they had inc life

[spice pecan]

which is giga juiced BECAUSE you did everything else

maybe the other mechs dont drop anything, but you're at least doing them for some meaningful reason

[cobalt blade]

max res ones sold uncorrupted as well

[spice pecan]

that's at least a step in the right direction

[whole bluff]

I could see this as a keystone, or inherent to certain mechanics

[spice pecan]

but that would require an entire scarab rework

i just want to full clear maps man

[grizzled lily]

i stopped making grafts after my designated stash tab filled

[empty bronze]

i hope this league adds cats

[spice pecan]

i dont want to go in, do one thing, and fucking leave

that shit is lame as fuck

[grim herald]

+1

[whole bluff]

defeating a beyond boss should buff the rest of the map

[cobalt blade]

ye i stopped doing breach entirely at some point

was not worth the time

[spice pecan]

you get the opposite currently, it turns off all beyond

[whole bluff]

yup

[spice pecan]

good thing they let us block beyond bosses i guess

[grizzled lily]

harvest farming be like, find harvest, press 4 buttons every map, leave in 50 secs

[spice pecan]

this is why i dont like harvest farming

[grizzled lily]

it smoothens your brain but it fills your pockets man

the balance is in balance

[cobalt blade]

what if they go back to making all beyond monsters unique

[whole bluff]

I count cards on stuff like Harvest, Alva, Jun'

gives me some stimulation where the map would be very slog

[whole bluff]

were they that at some point?

[errant hatch]

I'm doing a series of maps with a memory thing. are those affected by my atlas? or they like the Kirac maps where you're free range?

[cobalt blade]

before it got folded in with scourge yeah

[whole bluff]

I thought it was just the bosses?

[pseudo axle]

time to run another batch of Exarch invites

[whole bluff]

Na'em, Abberoth, Haast

[pseudo axle]

lets hope for some gg flames

[grizzled lily]

if it lets u change your atlas page or put a map encounter it surely does

i think?

[errant hatch]

I think so too.

[grizzled lily]

i dont do aegon anymore

[whole bluff]

you could get a ton of beyond bosses in the same map, but it was after several portal mergers in the same place

[grizzled lily]

aegon was so cool at the start but it became just a boss rush

[whole bluff]

so you could get chased by 3 haast etc

[errant hatch]

I'm on SSF Standard just putzing around. meh

level 85, but want to hit 90 so I can start using my expedition mats.

[whole bluff]

I forgot 3 beyond bosses names rip

[opal ingot]

i have a giant sphinx cat, did you also get one during the phrecia league

[whole bluff]

Tzeosh? Bameth...

idr if I forgot fire or lightning

[cobalt blade]

tzteosh ephij and bameth

[onyx adder]

Haast ephij

[hard cliff]

@opal ingot CAT

[whole bluff]

ah, Ephij

[cobalt blade]

its the same as the mod tiers for items

[whole bluff]

ah*

laptop on stomach writing

[opal ingot]

let me guess

[whole bluff]

keyboard 3cm from face lul

[cobalt blade]

but yeah it is more accurate to say it summoned alot more unique ig

[opal ingot]

nvm

[cobalt blade]

over just a bunch of shitty magic/normal mobs

[opal ingot]

💯

[onyx adder]

I dont miss old old beyond

[neon veldt]

is beyond even worth past week1?

[cobalt blade]

not really outside of evolving shrine shenanigans with alva currently but its prob gonna get fixed

[onyx adder]

Having to run in circles for a sec whenever boss spawns because bameth dd would randomly delete ur ass otherwise

Man i do not miss bameth

[cobalt blade]

its too much investment for how bad it is

[cobalt blade]

tank the unique dd's smh

[whole bluff]

I like the idea of finding the old beyond bosses but with updated models and cooperating with them against scourge

taking quests or summoning them

as tribute

[whole bluff]

Bameth was annoying, DD + chaos

[hard cliff]

I love real sphinx cats

life goal is to meet one

[whole bluff]

Na'em was also tricky on some chars

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/alltimelow-all-time-low-sleeping-in-sleepinigin-jPBRHsZFaNVLlASZd3

they're so cute

little babies

[onyx adder]

Oh i didnt notice the teaser

How cute

[sand glen]

its dr. evils cat

[onyx adder]

Brb putting it on totems

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/wrinkles-sallystrose-cat-drinking-49svvzEEfiTPkkibv8

[whole bluff]

though his projectile pattern became very dodgeable with practice

[onyx adder]

I miss that build

[neon veldt]

my previous neighbours had a pair, they were very spooked of everything tho, so i barely saw them

[onyx adder]

Sphynx cats too annoying to look after

So many skin issues

[whole bluff]

the only sphinxes I know of are supposedly a pair where 1 is giga dumb, and both are giga attention seeking

[cobalt blade]

ngl bameth abaxoth and haast are the onlyones i remember what they did

[warm musk]

Foulborn Ngamahu's Flame + Nightgrip = MsotZ Ward stacker?

[errant hatch]

Weirdest cat I have ever seen was this slow moving cat. had demon or something in the name of it. freaky as hell looking.

[neon veldt]

we currently have a siamese cat and a void

they hate each other tho

[worldly bridge]

NEW SLAM LOGIN

[whole bluff]

they were all quite resistant to their element iirc, Tzteosh was SRS and flameblast spam, Ephij idr, Na'em leap slam + rampages proj nova with phys

[worldly bridge]

SLAYER BUFFS INCOMING

SLAMS ARE ETERNAL

[errant hatch]

Ah! Devon Rex.

[sand glen]

flash bang

[cobalt blade]

ah

[errant hatch]

Woman had one at a trade show.

[onyx adder]

I have a new theory regarding pets and poe

[cobalt blade]

LOGOUT

[worldly bridge]

Weak

[onyx adder]

French bulldogs are the wardloop of pets

[worldly bridge]

Its not even a flashbang

[errant hatch]

I have a pug.

[hexed mountain]

of all the things that won't happen this won't happen the most

[onyx adder]

U see them on youtube and ur like omg this is so funny and cute

[worldly bridge]

Extremely incorrect buzzer

[whole bluff]

I got an excessively black cat

[cobalt blade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1248486718265360405.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

[whole bluff]

I enjoy the thought people would think he's the devil

[onyx adder]

And then u try it and its super fragile and has heaps of issues and if someone walks past it with the wrong aura it just fucking dies

Frenchie = wardloop

[cobalt blade]

as a wardloop enjoyer that just sounds like a skill issue smh

make your looper tank ubers

[neon veldt]

yea, my void is spicy too, she bites me cuz i pet her for too long, but then 2 hours later begs to sleep on my lap

[onyx adder]

Oh yea also its super expensive

Thank you for adding to my analogy

[whole bluff]

sounds nice

[onyx adder]

Perfect

[whole bluff]

black cats are cute

[cobalt blade]

actually currently tis cheap as hell

[finite quail]

[cobalt blade]

since its so bad compared to what it used to be

[cobalt blade]

:3

[neon veldt]

my goal next league is to farm a mageblood but then not quit 2 days after like i usually do

i need to think of another goal

[worldly bridge]

My goal is to paly the game for another 1k hours

[stray flax]

Busco amigos para jugar la nueva temporada 😄 soy nuevo en el poe!

[empty bronze]

naur

[tight plinth]

My goal next league is to reach yellow maps

[dawn aurora]

nice

[gentle ice]

my goal next league is to not get bored a week in 😩

[pseudo axle]

I wonder if they'll add map/currency/scarab multis to base maps to help bridge the gap between them and t17s/16.5s

obviously not as much as tier 17s and 16.5s, but some

idk

another batch of 50 exarchs done, 4 flames this time and 2 dissolution of flesh

lets see what the flames end up being

ugh they all seem awful

[pastel zenith]

how long before the league are the new cosmetic packs added?

want to buy the big of the next one but waiting for it to come

[pseudo axle]

pretty sure when the livestream reveal happens in 3~ days

[urban kiln]

this league lookin like a bust im callin it

[elfin shale]

Theyre added when the stream runs

At the end of it

Also fuck if that new skill is actually good i think ill run it

[fossil mural]

Anyone can recommend a good ele hit spectrum guide

[worldly bridge]

Adding this then not changing 17s results in no real “fix” basically

And it only serves to inflate things more

[pseudo axle]

oh I wasn't suggesting this as the only change, far from it

god no I want sweeping changes

[loud geyser]

I keep rewatching the teaser

[worldly bridge]

I want loot multipliers removed from 17’s

[thick goblet]

just look up LA guides, half of them swap to ehots anyways

[loud geyser]

there has to be a secret

[vague storm]

After doing HC 2.0 I imagine the next league will feel like a cake walk

[loud geyser]

I wish i didnt miss out phrecia 2

[worldly bridge]

They should go back to being a source of frags

[loud geyser]

Seems like it popped off more than phrecia 1

[vague storm]

2.0 was HARD. and I play exclusively HC leagues

[opaque sphinx]

what part of it was hard

[vague storm]

I think like 90% of the players quit HC 2.0 on the beach when Hilloc had Maven interference

[opaque sphinx]

it was basically just maven

[vague storm]

Maven with early game resources was fairly difficult on HC.

[fossil mural]

Yea but I wouldnt know if they are bait or not

[gentle ice]

he was also leapslamming you 🤔 which is pretty hard to avoid with a melee character

[dawn aurora]

what are the odds that GGG launches the next league the same week that WoW midnight launches? :/

[normal hedge]

its pretty simple, snoobae/havoc = bait, fubgun/proplays = based

[fossil mural]

Lmao

[thick goblet]

we know the launch date

[dreamy charm]

whats good with wow i just saw housing that boring

[errant hatch]

I was doing Delves. meh

[hexed mountain]

that was just the gauntlet tbh and gauntlet was HC only

if anything phrecia was easier than gauntlet

[fossil mural]

Does the lifetap manaforge thing still work

[hexed mountain]

yeah

its still solid until you get the -mana cost going (or your mana cost setup with indigon idk i didnt play that version)

[dawn aurora]

Do we? All i see googling it is "early march"

[opaque sphinx]

click announcement tab and read

[dawn aurora]

Oh it is there

[opaque sphinx]

[dawn aurora]

wow i can't believe they'd launch the same week

seems uh like a bad decision

[gentle ice]

why, nobody is playing wow anymore 🤔

[surreal musk]

wow doesnt actually start until 2 weeks after midnight launches

other than leveling for a day

[errant hatch]

That was a chore on an 84 in SSF. These little white spermy things kept one shotting me. =[

[vague storm]

Well yeah that's the point. HC leaves no room for mistakes.

[hexed mountain]

that depends on your build

[final owl]

a WoW expansion is not GTA6 nobody cares about launching alongside it

[hexed mountain]

outside of pinnacles HC is less about mistakes and more about not being dumb

[vague storm]

I haven't played WoW since frozen throne

[errant hatch]

I resub once a year. play for a few weeks, meh

[vague storm]

Large difference in your build on HC

[errant hatch]

Healing. I freaking LOVE healing. Its the only game that has that nailed.

[onyx adder]

Thats true in general with poe

I always say 99% of deaths in poe occur in pob

[fossil mural]

Only wow players play wow, and wow players dont play anything else

[hexed mountain]

yeah if you have to mechanically avoid stuff (outside of pinnacles) there's a problem in your build or you decided to run a map you cannot run right now

stuff goes too fast its unrealistic to "just dodge" mapping

[gentle ice]

i'd definitely make an healer in PoE if that existed even tho it would be worthless... 🤣

[errant hatch]

oh hell yea

[hexed mountain]

healer would be usefull. Until act 2 or 3 :^)

[vague storm]

Guardian is kinda like a healer

[normal hedge]

only in ruthless if they ever delete leech

[vague storm]

Just not for yourself

[bold scarab]

wish there was a good bleed/phys dot bloodline ... if you wanna play bleedbow glad right now there are only 3 passives that actually do anything and the rest are completely useleszs

[normal hedge]

slayer ff/ff phys explosion

[vague storm]

Run impale instead, WAY better imo. I'm doing it as my next HC league starter

[normal hedge]

like everyone does since ff/ff released

[neon veldt]

what about taking some of the boss ascendancies?

[worldly bridge]

Wait what

Wdym

[normal hedge]

and corrupt fever golem abuser

[worldly bridge]

Only three passives

Thats 6 out of 8 points

[bold scarab]

ye

4th lab gives nothing

[worldly bridge]

That isnt that bad

We have bloodlines now

[tight plinth]

You get breach ascendancy

[worldly bridge]

Just take farrul for attack speed or smth

[bold scarab]

andf all the bloodlines suck for this specific case

[worldly bridge]

Cat

[worldly bridge]

Likely reworked as it required grafts

Ignore breach until we have Notes

[vague storm]

Delerium Bloodline has THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, which is really the most OP survival notable there is IMO

[worldly bridge]

Id be shocked if literally zero of the bloodlines were useful to bleed bow glad

[bold scarab]

cuz ye bleed explode works ... aggravate bleed works ... attrition works

the rest give you nothing if you use a bow

[surreal musk]

its good in hc / ssf

not good in sc trade

[bold scarab]

melee its fine

but bow its pain

sst technically gets to scoot under the radar being the only ranged skill that works good

but ye

sst has also been dead since crucible ended

the only bloodline that could be decent is probably the one that gives you an extra ring

maybe

but the downsides are oof

[neon veldt]

which extension gives you the dust value?

[coral summit]

the problem with the deli bloodline is that it shuts out the most powerful scalers of basically any build

unique jewels are way too strong

[normal hedge]

check if its that one https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/lmmjicanpdjejcoikdmklalcgejobgpe

but i'm also using tft's

[coral summit]

they should redo the downside for it tbh

idk what it should be

but turning off all unique jewels basically deletes part of what usually makes some build function

[neat flower]

John pork is calling..

[thin leaf]

Holy hammers look cool

def a sound off skill tho or I'd go deaf

[coral summit]

i hope the hammer fall speed isn't a static value

[neat flower]

Trading cyan star sticker

[coral summit]

make attack/action speed make the full attack happen faster

otherwise it's kind of doa

or skill duration

[bold scarab]

holy hammer just vaal smite

[neon veldt]

bruh, bee swarm topic in PoE server?

[neat flower]

@tidal rune

[errant hatch]

What map is on the walls with the big bird at the end that flops ontop of you?

[coral summit]

channel, I believe

[fringe ermine]

lmao I need more teasers

[neat flower]

John Park is calling..

[worldly bridge]

Im gonna league start holy hammers no matter what

[neon veldt]

I'm gonna be boring and go pohx RF unless one of the new skills looks pog

[thick goblet]

even if it's somehow a retaliation skill

[fringe ermine]

I hope they don't nerf my starter

[worldly bridge]

Even better

I can do the self retaliate glad withguarenteed crits

Well not like

[torn kindle]

Holy Hammers do be looking pretty cool. Day -1 nerf incoming for sure

[worldly bridge]

Overall better

But it definitely changes the options into something ive never played

[neon veldt]

if ziggyD even says 1 word about them it's gonna be nuked before we even get to touch it

[final owl]

patch notes are still at least a week away. le sigh

[fringe ermine]

after livestream

I need to survive until Thursday wtf

[cobalt blade]

3 days away wdym

[sand glen]

nerf it before we see numbers. watch the masses cry

[sage falcon]

he says the masses as if he is not also a member of said masses

[sand glen]

i dont wanna play it

[subtle forge]

😒

mfw the Delve zones with spell suppression

[final owl]

I am a beautiful unique snowflake and certainly not part of any masses. ew.

[ember goblet]

can we get Spell Suppress Suppression Support?

[potent bramble]

It might just be me, but honestly that hammer skill didn't make me all that hyped. I'm sure it can be good, but my gut says it'd take a lot of investment into attack speed and probably AOE

[opaque wing]

Its probably the first lightning damage slam, so its novel in that way

[final owl]

you can't reasonably get hyped about anything in PoE without knowing all the details

[fringe ermine]

do I need accuracy if the monster cannot evade the attacks from my totem?

[potent bramble]

From the video, it looks like it's going to feel slow and clunky to target, which doesn't fill me with excitement

[sage falcon]

zdps incoming

[ember goblet]

yes you can lol

[fringe ermine]

?

[sage falcon]

no, as long as you are confident that is applying

[final owl]

Sorry no I checked. Definitely illegal

[fringe ermine]

it is the champion ascendency

[potent bramble]

If it's zdps and it's slow and awkward to target, I'd fully expect it to be completely ignored outside of the people who want to try every skill once

Assuming that I'm correct in thinking that zdps is the bad end, z as in zero. Never actually been 100% confident on that

[sage falcon]

are you taunting

totem hits dont count as you hitting

[sage falcon]

could be zillion

[fringe ermine]

that's sad

so it only has one good node that is fortification

[potent bramble]

Nsantos, I'm confused by what you're describing

[sage falcon]

Enemies Taunted by you take 15% increased Damage
Enemies Taunted by you cannot Evade Attacks
Taunt on Hit

they have this node and presumably some ballistas

[fringe ermine]

the build is kf ballista

[surreal musk]

https://i.imgur.com/ONenEcf zdps ue is pretty fking hectic in the last phase xd

[cobalt blade]

im personally expecting it to be a skill with a CD and that'll be why it sucks

[cobalt blade]

totems inherit this and it works btw

[potent bramble]

It was the 'attacks from my totems' part, because if the enemy has 'cannot evade' I think that's global, but if you have 'enemies cannot evade your attacks' or w/e then it's specific to your attacks.

And either way, if totems work like minions (which they probably don't) then they don't have accuracy at all any more, they just always hit

[cobalt blade]

Totems use your accuracy

[potent bramble]

I mean that can be at least partly resolved with CDR but that's still another reason to stick with the classic Cyclone of being STRONK

[sacred bane]

i just need a few done like getting "the remembered" done with 70+ item quant that i dont wanna rng spam to get the invite
honestly just need to complete that invite then i can grind the rest

[cobalt blade]

yeah but thats less investment into raw damage so prolly worse than smth else

[fringe ermine]

because if I played champion I will only have two good nodes, (taunt and fortification)

and bloodline sucks

[hazy kiln]

@fringe ermine@sage falcontotems do taunt with the champion node, and they do apply the cannot evade/extra damage when they do so

[fringe ermine]

lmao its Kinect fusillade they hit hard

[sage falcon]

oop, mb

[fringe ermine]

I hope it works

[tight plinth]

hey viper, is exarch ball phase considered exarch spells/attack for the purposes of proximity shield

[umbral crag]

You mean exarch's ball phase?

[tight plinth]

thats what i said

[umbral crag]

Suss

[hazy kiln]

as in, you're asking what happens in ball phase if you have a prox shield spectre or something?

[tight plinth]

yes

[cobalt blade]

its a spell(tho not affected by suppression) and the balls damage is considered with the balls position over exarchs so ignores proxy

(probably not exactly how it works for that last bit but i have tried that outta curiosity)

[steady elk]

i get the vibe that this league's gonna be a lot more paladin type theme focused

[fossil mural]

From just one skill

When its maraketh league

[steady elk]

and the armor

[fossil mural]

You cant make this shit up

[steady elk]

[gritty garnet]

pocket sand hammer sh-sha

[cobalt blade]

pocket sand

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/shaw-silksong-shaw-mewing-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-hornet-gif-10701033448015821325

[steady elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879801181302583376/1393261430370992239/twitter_1943513922214023447.gif

[potent bramble]

Something something Crusader league

You thought they were talking about time like time travel? No no, it's time as in Time to push back the... I dunno, rhoas, or something

Admittedly this worked a lot better in my head before I started trying to actually make the joke. But here we are

[errant hatch]

I somehow looted an eight mod corrupted Vaal Temple. Spec'd boxes and used all my box scarabs. good god man

[tight plinth]

so whatd you get?

[potent bramble]

3c and a corrupted tabula

[errant hatch]

lots of currency. few corrupted things

had to make a few trips back and forth to get all the stuff.

[potent bramble]

Not a bad haul then, in all seriousness

[errant hatch]

maps. tons and tons of maps

[crisp obsidian]

Damn we will never have good spells again

Sadge

[normal hedge]

wym

they just buffed VD and WORB

[coral summit]

daily petition to either buff the damage of slams that arent earthshatter to within like 20% of its average or at least make the ones that are both weaker and slower base aps at least match its speed per attack :>

[normal hedge]

arent you happy with that?

[coral summit]

why is vanilla earthquake like 20% weaker and slower than earthshatter :<

if ur gonna make me wait twelve business days for it to hit things at least have the audacity to make it do more damage

[cobalt blade]

alternatively nerf earthshatter below their level

[celest skiff]

The wiki just flashbanged me with the generic white wikipedia template.

[cobalt blade]

and then have them still worse than earthshatter from generic slam nerfs

[coral summit]

I mean the problem with other slams is that they basically all suffer from still just being mechanically bad for interacting with things like leech/ailments

holy hammer depending on how it works might actually be the most/second most cracked slam

if it can multihit on one enemy

[cobalt blade]

wasnt ice crash a p good ignite skill for a while

as an exception to ailments#

[opaque sphinx]

i cant move my sc char to standard early can i?

[cobalt blade]

no

[normal hedge]

no

[opaque sphinx]

mad

[coral summit]

ice crash got to take advantage of big cold to fire stuff

and thats not rly the problem, I mean more for non-damaging ailments

[cobalt blade]

ah fair

[coral summit]

most slams only have one, maybe two hits

if you're lucky

[opaque sphinx]

was gonna make the ultimate WI outta all my stashes but i cba buying 2nd simplex

[celest skiff]

EQ gets to run vaal EQ on the side but that doesn't benefit from any exert stuff you've invested into

[coral summit]

so if you want to use alternate ailments like brittle

brittle is just not good for real dps on most slams cuz you're only hitting the average monster or rare monster once or twice

[cobalt blade]

gotta go for the legacy one in standard

[coral summit]

earthshatter gets to hit them like 3-7 times depending on how fat they are

[cobalt blade]

26% all att instead of 19%

[coral summit]

perforate would be included in this list if it wasnt the worst skill in the game

[celest skiff]

I was once able to do brittle on a lead sprinkler EQ build by forcing a blizzard crown into the build.

but I'm sure crown of eyes builds do 30x the damage

[coral summit]

like as far as im concerned having done a decent number of pobbing for slams

[cobalt blade]

yea its something yu can only maybe do with brittle boots at the cost of making slams feel even worse to play

[coral summit]

either you're playing pure phys/impales, or full fire conversion with enmity's embrace

other conversions are just like

[cobalt blade]

full chaos osin

[coral summit]

im not gonna say objectively incorrect cuz theres probably someone tucked away with something I have yet to see

[tight plinth]

where do HC characters go now when they die? to sc equivalent of the league?

[cobalt blade]

sc equivalent now yea

[umbral crag]

Ye

[cobalt blade]

they used to goto standard though

[coral summit]

but any mechanic that requires high hit rates on any slam that isn't earthshatter

just does not work

(unless you play perforate, with everything that skill entails.)

[cobalt blade]

osin str stacking slammer :p

brutus lead sprinkler and alb boots

or a str stack crafted rare

[coral summit]

brittle to ramp up to max stack quickly? earthshatter. full chaos for wither stacks? earthshatter.

[tight plinth]

damn, i want to test some foulborns but i cant be arsed to level up a marauder

[coral summit]

the problem I run into with str stacking slammer is "why are you not just using smite instead" because smite can innately double hit and has way better scaling vectors :V

[steel light]

planning for league starter, which beast nodes do i take, 1 or 2 more?

[coral summit]

volcanic fissure can also multihit, actually!

I forgot about that skill entirely

vanilla VF

[celest skiff]

calling it now, random pebbles will stop holy hammers circles from spawning

[cobalt blade]

ye the correct route is to go like msoz smite or dual strike of ambi

[steel light]

cause it got nerfed hard that everyone plays earthshatter instead

[cobalt blade]

but str stack slammer is funny

[coral summit]

naw not snaking

[cobalt blade]

theyll hit next to the pebbes and los

[coral summit]

normal VF fires.... seven? projectiles and I think it'll usually hit with four or five

[celest skiff]

and they wont let you use the skill with facebreaker because of the word hammer

[cobalt blade]

mob is 1 pixel behind a pebble doesnt get hit

[coral summit]

the problem that skill runs into is even lower base damage values (344 main slam, 172 per projectile) and that melee modifiers do not work on the projectiles

so you dont get to take either of the nice little generic crit multi wheels on the left/bottom left side

and you get forced to path to point blank as a matter of course

[coral summit]

which does mean you can take lethality which scales both but like

[celest skiff]

they'll probably find some loophole to prevent it from being used on generals cry

[coral summit]

yeah

with the usual passive point demand slammers have it asks you to make some really long pathing choices for a still subpar slam

[cobalt blade]

"cannot be triggered"

[coral summit]

especially since it's also literally just like

bigger but worse molten strike.

[karmic gust]

well its a lot worse molten strike because it has different behaviour with returning projs

[celest skiff]

making slammers aim is step one to making them hate a skill

[karmic gust]

ngl looking at base volcanic fissure numbers and base molten numbers if you want to make volcanic fissure slam build you might as well build molten strike as a slam instead :d

[coral summit]

lmao

yeah

like, sure your aoe will be tiny but you just solve it with strike targets

and now everything you hit generates balls!

which is an axis of scaling VF doesn't get.

you just get 7 balls per attack before modifiers.

you lose seismic cry, but you get ancestral cry instead

which is also arguably one of the strongest warcries in the game normally leashed behind strikes not usually wanting you to play exerts.

[karmic gust]

well thats axis that molten strike doesnt rly get either the balls are split between targets anyway that you hit at same time

you generate some extra balls because of some issue i think (e.g main attack hit and then extra strike hits after) but rest should be split between targets

[cobalt blade]

then they return to you from return proj and all shotgun the tanky rare or w/e

[karmic gust]

sure, but you dont rly get more than 2 instances of the projs

[cobalt blade]

you get extra proj equal to your number of strike targets

[karmic gust]

no

[cobalt blade]

yes

every mob your ancestral clones hit generate a source of proj

[karmic gust]

go test it and count, i did it a while ago it doesnt work like that pretty sure

[cobalt blade]

i can tell you it does from doing it in delve

[karmic gust]

that was one of the molten strike nerfs in 3.7

[karmic gust]

yea and did you counted if you get more projs or if they were just split between the targets?

im pretty sure i had screenshot somewhere but i cant find it

[hexed mountain]

someone knows if the chaining range on tree works for wildstrike? it should right? just asking because its on a proj wheel

[coral summit]

it splits if it can

if it can't, they just land randomly in aoe

so if theres only one mob it still shotguns pretty nicely esp with lower proj speed

[final owl]

I wanna try wildstrikes at some point

[hexed mountain]

its sounds kinda wonkey but inc range lightning only wildstrike would be super easy penance mark abuse no?

[karmic gust]

you dont even need inc chain range for penance mark

[onyx adder]

Chaining range is a generic stat it works on any skill that can chain