surely in 2hrs
#1┃general
ember goblet
opal ingot
damn
opal ingot
on a necrotic too
peak heron
wait what happened to global def did it get removed
pulsar dune
it's now 50%
opal ingot
wait what happened to global def did it get removed
it got cut in half
peak heron
ohhhh
pulsar dune
and 50% global def is not better than hillock attributes on most mirror chests these days
peak heron
most ones im seening are +1 int gems on it in TFT instead of global def
cosmic raptor
Hillcoc
frigid wedge
isnt hillock vs bench literally 2% diff
normal hedge
yes
frigid wedge
and thats better than global defence?
opal ingot
secret
cobalt blade
and thats better than global defence?
yes
your losing hybrid inc for global defence
and 2% attributes can bring you to break points for damage/less dmg taken from implicit
cobalt blade
on basically every stat stacker ive played the 2% att has been better
just comparing chests in pob
frigid wedge
fair
spare ore
opal ingot
i lied
native abyss
looking good
cobalt blade
comparing these 2 chests for example on my jugg (removed flask effect from skull and aura effect from gloom and both have dead suffixes in the form of RMR/reduced dmg from crits)
you can see how much better hybrid+2% att actually is
- you can get the chest with 13 flat all att instead of reduced extra dmg from crits if your already crit immune and that even more of a reason to go 8%
cosmic raptor
looking good
Looks like my man grok
native abyss
pause
cosmic raptor
Can't pause the grok
opal ingot
he's gonna summarize you
cosmic raptor
Xd
native abyss
bro
errant hatch
Animate Guardian: If I use the gem on one character, then move it to another, I'm guessing I have to resummon it with the items?
errant hatch
what happens if I take that gem, and move it back to the first character? I'm SSF so availbility is limited.
errant hatch
ah. ok. so it can go back and forth then.
opal ingot
ag ui when
cosmic raptor
4.27
cosmic raptor
That's when grok takes over the world
finite quail
ah. ok. so it can go back and forth then.
sure you can use the gem on both characters
but the actual gear you give to the ag is tied to the character
you cannot gear up your ag on one character and use that geared up ag on the other character
you'll have to regear him on the second character
errant hatch
you'll have to regear him on the second character
Cool beans. Uses all the same gear anyways between characters. that works. tahnks.
native abyss
golden phoenix
robust dew
where can i see the prices of uniques like day 1-2-3 etc?
i remember there was some site
normal hedge
poe ninja
tough anchor
are mutes in game automated or are they done by a moderator?
robust dew
does ninja show it?
normal hedge
does ninja show it?
ye
frigid wedge
why is usirus such a bitch
tough anchor
Its pretty stupid that i get muted ingame for a very easy joke and most other people are still at it and dont even get muted
opal ingot
<@547038621530587137>
whats up
modern zinc
Its pretty stupid that i get muted ingame for a very easy joke and most other pe...
had a guy post le toucan earlier today and he didn't get muted
GGG is finally seeing the light
frigid wedge
why cant i just like
enter the arena
why does he have to kill u trying to get there
adding sirus to the feared was worse than the removal of map mod effect
frigid wedge
@grok context?
me when she pulls out the toys
ok sorry
no uh
the cat bouncing car emoji
opal ingot
oh
frigid wedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1469387892588548128.webp?size=96&animated=true
that
opal ingot
i didn't know xd
i forgot gifs are autopaused in my account
wish i was as chill as that cat
farric taurus prices gonna be high next league xd
its funny
frigid wedge
we can ignore my original response right
opal ingot
when a poe vid gets 7k+ views, you know shit's about to go down
cosmic raptor
farric taurus prices gonna be high next league xd
League of legends?
opal ingot
we can ignore my original response right
sure
normal hedge
me when she pulls out the toys
and then what
frigid wedge
and then what
wha
modern zinc
I'm gonna play inquisitor RF next league
and I want it to be tanky and strong
I'm seeing people with 10k+ life and 3m+ RF dps in poeninja
I want to be one of those guys
frigid wedge
and then what
and then they get used id imagine
ember goblet
I'm gonna play inquisitor RF next league
no dont
fossil mural
farric taurus prices gonna be high next league xd
Guess whats not going to be profitable on leg start
fossil mural
I want to be one of those guys
Why not shoot higher
normal hedge
grok how is farric taurus creating unique maps profit in 3.28
frigid wedge
normally he would tell me you dont
unreal sand
for a 3m rf build in cost you can get like 50m on a decent build, lol
split maple
unreal sand
if you want a walking simulator, why not go minions or totems. you will actually kill bosses
split maple
does it have guide that tells me exactly what boots to equip in act3 tho 
frigid wedge
my build afks sims
herald of the hive has set a rlly low bar for afk
i have 18k ehp
normal hedge
how long does it takes you to kill kosis with 1m dps hive
cosmic raptor
3 groks
opal ingot
Guess whats not going to be profitable on leg start
Farric tauruses
normal hedge
thats prolly one of those things that work in every single league
frigid wedge
how long does it takes you to kill kosis with 1m dps hive
i see 1 frame of his health bar
normal hedge
i see 1 frame of his health bar
with herald of hive only?
opal ingot
I wonder if early beasts is worth it
Last time I checked in ninja early days beast prices are fucked
normal hedge
travic always farming beasts since day 2
frigid wedge
afk
opal ingot
Like they're priced like they're end of league stuff
normal hedge
but he saves some of them to sell later
frigid wedge
for pure hive
split maple
with herald of hive only?
you know eri has biggest dickest explosions on server
frigid wedge
i do!
opal ingot
but he saves some of them to sell later
Ah
normal hedge
not hive autobomber
frigid wedge
i afk sims
frigid wedge
i cba to click shit for those
normal hedge
it gonna be the same issue as cws
sometimes gonna kill the mobs and wont have nothing to trigger it
frigid wedge
this is aoe clusters
i be afk as fucc
i love this build xD
remind me tmr and ill show u a sim
pseudo axle
I absolutely hate buying eldritch invites
pseudo axle
PRICE THEM UNIFORMLY DAMNIT
frigid wedge
pseudo axle
ugh
opal ingot
PRICE THEM UNIFORMLY DAMNIT
Hahahahahha
normal hedge
sometimes gonna kill the mobs and wont have nothing to trigger it
i was just curious to see wave 15 kosis when that happens
cobalt blade
PRICE THEM UNIFORMLY DAMNIT
but then you wont fall for the one randomly listed in div spamming enter D:
cobalt blade
https://pobb.in/BUlh6m62xMV9
fossil mural
but then you wont fall for the one randomly listed in div spamming enter D:
Imagine getting landmined
icy zinc
any teaser
fossil mural
theres the odd person that still tries
There is an odd person that falls for it
cobalt blade
for sure
opal ingot
Bro I'd be screaming if they say ground loot is back
opal ingot
XD
cobalt blade
"historic quant bonus reintroduced"
finite quail
Bro I'd be screaming if they say ground loot is back
ground loot is back, now you drop twice as many transmutation orbs!!
native abyss
lets fricking go dude
fossil mural
ground loot is back, now you drop twice as many transmutation orbs!!
Would be good if rarity worked on currency
opal ingot
O ye of little faith
finite quail
Would be good if rarity worked on currency
No
It wouldnt
Why do you think quant got removed from gear?
opal ingot
No mf gear... Plss..
finite quail
Because you either mf, or you get less loot
split maple
i am still waiting for awakened item rarity support
1% increased damage per 1% iir mm
cobalt blade
i am still waiting for awakened item rarity support
what awakened item quant as uber maven only support similar to the exceptionals
only source of quant better spen 2 mirrors on it
frigid wedge
i was just curious to see wave 15 kosis when that happens
last 2 waves make me uncomfortable
golden phoenix
Lily spotted
I don't believe you
fossil mural
1% increased damage per 1% iir mm
Tbh they already added light radius stack
Might as well
frigid wedge
hi lily
livid quarry
finite quail
The JIGS UP LILY
golden phoenix
I do not consent to be perceived
golden phoenix
The same place your object permanence went
frigid wedge
lily rn
golden phoenix
So valid tbf
frigid wedge
iirc my oriaths is also like, 900% or smth
pseudo axle
"I didn't give you permission to drop nothing."
whole bluff
your UI is bugged I think
pseudo axle
time to kill some bosses
frigid wedge
are boots and gloves flipped
pseudo axle
controller has kept my fingers and wrists supple and young
frigid wedge
and why is trinket THERE
pseudo axle
where does the third ring slot fit
your third finger
frigid wedge
controller has kept my fingers and wrists supple and young
my ass is supple and young but u don't see me damaging my eyes for it
cobalt blade
theres no space for it on that ui
pseudo axle
well its a good thing I'm not going to test that
I assume its off next to the off-hand
theres a bit of space there
whole bluff
would be funny if it crashed the client
pseudo axle
I'd rather not brick my mirror tier character to test
cobalt blade
I assume its off next to the off-hand
that would be cursed
pseudo axle
that would be cursed
well where else do you keep your third ring?
cobalt blade
i mean itd take like 20 seconds to test in standard tbf
whole bluff
to the right of right weapon could work
frigid wedge
well where else do you keep your third ring?
pseudo axle
actually on this UI, technically speaking, our rings are nipple rings considering the placement of the gloves, wherein they imply we're on all fours
whole bluff
I feel like obviously the main hand is the left one somehow
whole bluff
discombobulated exile
pseudo axle
I'm assuming the dev team was forced to develop this at gun point, and they consider console/controller players to be inhuman
whole bluff
console player*
pseudo axle
I'm on PC, just playing with controller
cobalt blade
I'm assuming the dev team was forced to develop this at gun point, and they cons...
are they not
whole bluff
console player on PC*
pseudo axle
are they not
this is where the research is pointing towards currently
ember goblet
onion article
dreamy eagle
guys can we complete the challenges in 1 day is this possible i have no idea its my first time trying to do this and i have only 8 now
golden phoenix
Generally speaking no, there are several challenges that are rather grindy. You can probably get a lot of them, but not all.
finite quail
guys can we complete the challenges in 1 day is this possible i have no idea its...
Eh
Probably not
Some challenges require you to run multiple dozens of maps
past field
the fastes I saw so far was 32 hours or so I think?
frigid wedge
Generally speaking no, there are several challenges that are rather grindy. You ...
theres 2 in particular this league i has left that kinda suck
golden phoenix
Isn't one challenge literally called endgame grinds?
frigid wedge
Isn't one challenge literally called endgame grinds?
done that one iirc
pseudo axle
riddle me this, why can't uber-bosses have base loot as good as, say, your average equipment drop from a properly spec'd keeper tree?
split maple
goals was one of easier ones this league tho
golden phoenix
Grueling Game Grinds in Keepers 
finite quail
riddle me this, why can't uber-bosses have base loot as good as, say, your avera...
because thats not how unidentified items work
frigid wedge
missing jambie and the one for memory bosses
finite quail
missing jambie and the one for memory bosses
me with a j
split maple
like pinacles, modifiers, wombs are freebies
finite quail
pseudo axle
I mean, sure, but purely unid'd loot is dumb anyway tbh
finite quail
like pinacles, modifiers, wombs are freebies
kill argus 100 times
what were they thinking
golden phoenix
People like dogs??
finite quail
izaro's pitbull named princess
frigid wedge
me with a j
if you wanna make me miss you in some way ur welcome to try
karmic gust
who would ever kill the dog
well you cant cook it alive thats cruel wtf
frigid wedge
not too hard to get me attached
silk scroll
frigid wedge
u said u with a j
dreamy eagle
Some challenges require you to run multiple dozens of maps
dmn how xd
onyx adder
kill argus 100 times
I often do 100 argus in ssf if im shooting for 40
ember goblet
blunder
onyx adder
Some of the eggs in certain leagues are like
finite quail
dmn how xd
you just do it
over the period of the league
because its an endgame grind
not something you do in a day
onyx adder
50 ubers or some shit and i dont wanna farm that many t17s
native abyss
im not looking
golden phoenix
loud geyser
Lily
lucid gale
mu-mu-mu-multikatt
stoic horizon
theyre in sync
they arent 
golden phoenix
Hiding from you
stoic horizon
its weekend sir
native abyss
damn gottem
loud geyser
Noo
golden phoenix
-# I should probably avoid that kind of meming to be on the safe side
ember goblet
they arent <:UHM:891971918138314753>
sounds like your computer is broken
cobalt blade
seeing challenge talk here witnessing the remembered for this was the worst challenge imo
lucid gale
Everyone involved has cats lying on their laps and they do not want to disturb them. /j
cobalt blade
its so miserable looking for memory tears and hoping you dont low roll with blocks
stoic horizon
sounds like your computer is broken
its must be your fault
loud geyser
-# I should probably avoid that kind of meming to be on the safe side
When professionalism gets in the way of being fun😭
stoic horizon
ember goblet
can a ggg leak the date of the reveal yet
frigid wedge
<:kittyamazed:880653275072983110>
kbity
stoic horizon
can a ggg leak the date of the reveal yet
isn't it already known thou
native abyss
i bet ggg has more dogs than cats
whole bluff
its so miserable looking for memory tears and hoping you dont low roll with bloc...
phrecia helped, but for some reason secrets challenges are repeatedly very annoying
stoic horizon
i bet ggg has more dogs than cats
ggg has more kiwis
cobalt blade
phrecia helped, but for some reason secrets challenges are repeatedly very annoy...
secrets?
whole bluff
the new pinnacles from secrets of the atlas
lucid gale
frigid wedge
Chris wilson has more lands than people I think they can grab some pets from him
cobalt blade
literally just remembered
ember goblet
isn't it already known thou
the joke -> 🤸♂️
you -> 😵💫
cobalt blade
o7 can never move the kitty
lucid gale
I've had leagues where I had to sweat to do 40/40 in the whole league duration 😄
vagrant swan
everyone else waiting for QoL teasers/livestream/patch notes and I just want to know if we're still getting ruthless mode
stoic horizon
my dog likes to sit on me like this, he's an almost 40kg golden
vagrant swan
8/8 last league was fun
frigid wedge
o7 can never move the kitty
does this mean i can become an immovable object
pulsar dune
Why would ruthless go anywhere?
lucid gale
Stopped doing that after I realised that it dominated all spare time, affected fun and mood, and hurt the body 😄
whole bluff
ah those werent bad
I meant the currency challenge that made prices for orbs go from like 5-50c to 5-25d last weeks in mercenaries
ember goblet
orb of spending
whole bluff
as well as witnessing them this league
lucid gale
These days I play while it's fun and there's new stuff to see.
vagrant swan
Why would ruthless go anywhere?
the very fact it exists is basically a charitable act for an extreme minority of players (which I'm part of) atm
loud geyser
I've had leagues where I had to sweat to do 40/40 in the whole league duration �...
Not abuse broken insider builds crafted by GGG devs?
vagrant swan
doing ubers in ruthless felt like a much bigger achievement than anything I've ever done in regular poe
kinda got carried by defensive grafts and bannerman being OP though
frigid wedge
These days I play while it's fun and there's new stuff to see.
personally pick 4 i don't wanna do and get 36 for all mtx
silent leaf
Bannerman
lucid gale
Not abuse broken insider builds crafted by GGG devs?
That's the nice thing about not being into build making, I'm naturally immune to leveraging knowledge.
silent leaf
vagrant swan
banners are insane if you can deal with pressing an extra couple of buttons every so often
ember goblet
Not abuse broken insider builds crafted by GGG devs?
insider building sounds fucking awesome
you'd feel so cool and epic
cobalt blade
banners are insane if you can deal with pressing an extra couple of buttons ever...
so unplayable
silent leaf
banners are insane if you can deal with pressing an extra couple of buttons ever...
I too abuse it
vagrant swan
casual 200% ms 65/65 block 800+ life on block 100% suppression and like triple damage
just from banners
onyx adder
Stopped doing that after I realised that it dominated all spare time, affected f...
Tomorrow IGN article: PaTh oF eXiLe LiteRaLLy KiLLing itS oWn eMpLoYeEs
silent leaf
casual 200% ms 65/65 block 800+ life on block 100% suppression and like triple d...
Also -300 flat damage reduction from suppressed spells
loud geyser
insider building sounds fucking awesome
This is my schizo imagination running rampant but surely ggg has some secret tech they havent taught us
silent leaf
Let's not forget that
frigid wedge
vagrant swan
even if foulborn warcry cd axe goes core and I can get it in ruthless again I'm purposefully making myself not play banner again
lucid gale
Tomorrow IGN article: PaTh oF eXiLe LiteRaLLy KiLLing itS oWn eMpLoYeEs
Years before getting hired, btw.
frigid wedge
lmao
silent leaf
I played 5 bannermans this league
vagrant swan
onyx adder
Years before getting hired, btw.
My god its killing employees IN ADVANCE
onyx adder
How deep does the rabbit hole go
whole bluff
Stopped doing that after I realised that it dominated all spare time, affected f...
I feel like challenges have gotten a lot easier than like 10 years ago. Otherwise I wouldnt be going for 40/40 most likely
vagrant swan
bannerman will probably never get nerfed because it requires extra buttons which most zoomers are allergic to
frigid wedge
hmmm
onyx adder
Well there was the big step change down from 8/8 challenge leagues
Which were like
If u got 1/8 even u were pretty serious business
And 8/8 was like 3 ppl per league
vagrant swan
ruthless 8/8 this league was pretty hard (needed 3 ubers) but league mech was very OP so a bunch of people still did it
I got mine in just a few weeks
frigid wedge
https://tenor.com/view/pat-cat-pat-pat-gif-25250101
i will use this to sit in people's laps and they must hold me!
onyx adder
After that i think its been pretty much the same
whole bluff
Well there was the big step change down from 8/8 challenge leagues
definitely
vagrant swan
And 8/8 was like 3 ppl per league
this is basically what ruthless is like now lol
whole bluff
After that i think its been pretty much the same
I guess maybe I just got better at the game
onyx adder
40 probably got a bit easier
vagrant swan
aside from people selling carries
lucid gale
In "recent" history:
Scourge: 36, Archnem: 40, Sentinel: 0, Lake: 40, Sanctum: 40, Crucible: 16, Ancestor: 40, Affliction: 38, Necropolis: 16, Settlers: 15, Mercenary: 30, Keepers: 8.
vagrant swan
buying chally comp from carry is giga cringe though
onyx adder
36 i dont think has changed
onyx adder
In "recent" history:
Scourge: 36, Archnem: 40, Sentinel: 0, Lake: 40, Sanctum: 4...
Thats pretty close to me
cobalt blade
holy 40 in lake
onyx adder
Except i got 40 in settlers and like 10 in merc
Gigachad for seeing sentinel for the dogshit it was
frigid wedge
ok I'm going bed gn
lucid gale
Nothing about the leagues in particular, I krangled my arm and hand enough by mouse use that I had to use a trackball for half a year.
cobalt blade
ok I'm going bed gn
gnn
split maple
gngn
cobalt blade
playing poe with a track pad sounds cursed as hell
hexed mountain
idk i really liked kalandra tbh
cobalt blade
orwell ball
hexed mountain
but then again i loved synthesis
i would take a kalandra league over keepers any day of the week
onyx adder
I played all of uh
lucid gale
I beat all of the Quake 1 expansions with a trackball then, took a while to build up my aim 😄
onyx adder
Which league was lab released
2.2?
I did that on a microsoft surface
Not the surface pro
hexed mountain
i think incursion archnemesis exped and ultimatum were the only ones i skipped but due to IRL stuff
lucid gale
Not optimal for PoE but works alright if you have indirect damage like minions, brands or RF.
onyx adder
The OG surface with the 2016 mobile phone hardware
whole bluff
Domination: 1/8, Ambush 3/8, Beyond 1/8, Bloodlines 1/8, Tempest 1/8, not sure if that is getting far or not in your first few leagues, with current challengers hitting 5 is like nothing
hexed mountain
i kinda miss softcore and hardcore having different leagues with hardcore getting unfair rippy stuff like invasion
was so funny
judgement apparatus gaming
onyx adder
i kinda miss softcore and hardcore having different leagues with hardcore gettin...
Ppl would rage in 2026
whole bluff
it was kinda cool, I would appreciate it more today if HC wasnt so problematic for me, cuz afk on desecrated ground etc
onyx adder
Perceived unfairness snowflakes etc
But anyway i think the real reason ggg stopped doing that was dev time
whole bluff
yeah
onyx adder
GGG cant even balance 1 league at a time cant expect em to balance 2
whole bluff
yup
also, if they make content I want that content lmao
dont put it in half the game
hexed mountain
to be fair the leagues were often a lot smaller in content if you look at the events
hexed mountain
invasion didnt have endgame special bosses or anything it was just random 1 boss each map
onyx adder
More art
I hear art assets is the real bottleneck in this genre
Probably most genres of game lul
cobalt blade
i kinda miss softcore and hardcore having different leagues with hardcore gettin...
would be funny as hell if they gave only hc some giga loot league from said rippy content
whole bluff
how do they make art assets? like in some dev environment to design graphical models?
gritty garnet
beyond mobs was literally reskinned bandits last I checked
whole bluff
yup
vital canopy
I wonder if they got some new core supporter packs cooking for exilecon
ember goblet
will the next d4 expansion be goated
coral summit
ok after some googling i have made like
an actually playable earthshatter build at high aps
cuz earthshatter of fragility exists and you can go up to ~4.5 APS with it
as long as you run a 21/20 less duration support.
bold scarab
as long as you run a 21/20 less duration support.
As long as you sell your soul on a full moon on Tuesday at midnight while it's raining
coral summit
As long as you sell your soul on a full moon on Tuesday at midnight while it's r...
tbh it's not even that bad
lucid gale
how do they make art assets? like in some dev environment to design graphical mo...
Models, rigging and animations are all authored in Maya, hooked up with an internal suite of tools in a very modular way so that you can add attached objects, additional effect packs, particle systems, different buff visuals, materials, etc.
coral summit
it reduces the explosion delay from 1.5s to 0.62s
onyx adder
how do they make art assets? like in some dev environment to design graphical mo...
I think theres a exilecon talk
coral summit
and you still get 20% more damage for running it
bold scarab
Lol
coral summit
so you aren't sacking an entire link to make it functional
lucid gale
A lot of the shader proliferation is from these fundamental engine systems, essentially unbounded material variation requiring lots of distinct shaders.
onyx adder
cuz earthshatter of fragility exists and you can go up to ~4.5 APS with it
I played this exact build in settlers
coral summit
on top of that you don't have to worry about warcry cd staggering or general's cry on autoexert
onyx adder
Its good
coral summit
The problem I think is that you're pretty much linked to an impact force propagator?
onyx adder
Flown under the radar this whole time because snaking was easier to build
coral summit
because the +2 exerts is way too important
do u think its 100% mandatory @onyx adder or nah
bold scarab
Flown under the radar this whole time because snaking was easier to build
And alot funner until it gets screwed over
bold scarab
Useless stuff get nuked all the time
Usually because it uses the same mechanics as actually good builds
cobalt blade
idt it'll get hit lmao
all melee weapons now have 20% less phys
or nerfing some of the good slam nodes on tree
bold scarab
all melee weapons now have 20% less phys
The attack time of every weapon is lowered by .2
blissful zodiac
physical damage and chaos damage are fucking goated
onyx adder
It might take splash damage but it wont get directly hit because theres a perception that the skill is bugged
ember goblet
A lot of the shader proliferation is from these fundamental engine systems, esse...
i would expect the engine to be bindless atp?
onyx adder
Its not bugged but ppl think it is, its just how the skill works
cobalt blade
It might take splash damage but it wont get directly hit because theres a percep...
it was bugged at some point but fixed
blissful zodiac
(this statment was brought to you by slayer and strength stacker gng)
onyx adder
So it gets no play
crystal talon
cobalt blade
its in a patch note somewhere
onyx adder
Its still got an effective minimum duration because of its travel time
whole bluff
Models, rigging and animations are all authored in Maya, hooked up with an inter...
I guess it's probably an ecosystem of tools and ways to configure different parts with other parts in ways with differing degrees of modularity. I just dont know anything about stuff like making graphics though, so I'm completely lost xD
coral summit
the travel time is still only like half a second right
and the duration keeps going during it, so it just kabooms as soon as the travel time is done?
lucid gale
i would expect the engine to be bindless atp?
Probably is. You're still generating a lot of distinct shader code from graph noodle soup, both from structure and compile-time constants.
coral summit
if the duration is lower than the travel time
coral summit
neat, slapped this together in the meantime just to see how the numbers would look at endgame https://pobb.in/bTTFUznzcxfS
whole bluff
I think theres a exilecon talk
I might watch that, idk
coral summit
the only thing i think this is rly missing for good playability
lucid gale
Traditional games tend to be more into ubershaders or runtime branching, while PoE's back when I datamined was more about generating specialised shaders for each material seen; many of them offline but runtime combinations are runtime.
coral summit
is warcry speed and just a little bit of life recoup
ember goblet
Traditional games tend to be more into ubershaders or runtime branching, while P...
huh cool
coral summit
divine shield will ramp hella fast with high aps, but theres not really anything other than instant leech protecting life
onyx adder
neat, slapped this together in the meantime just to see how the numbers would lo...
Yea i played impale champ because i find echoes warcry to be quite unpleasant to play personally
This would be more damage
But again echoes warcry unpleasant
coral summit
It really depends on the content imo
if you do blue altars you're gonna get rekt by endurance charge/pdr altars
so with this you would prolly? do red altars
and just dodge -armor altars
and res altars
dusky urchin
Guys is 6 hr campaign good enough?
coral summit
can definitely drop the -22 allres on cogwork ring for recoup
modern zinc
if you want a walking simulator, why not go minions or totems. you will actually...
I'm not a big fan of minions because clearing feels so weird with them
coral summit
and that would make it feel super good
modern zinc
feels like i'm dragging 12 donkeys around that don't know what to do
plus I don't feel as tanky on a minion build as I do on RF
onyx adder
Guys is 6 hr campaign good enough?
Good enough for what
Good enough to win race events? No
tranquil umbra
plus I don't feel as tanky on a minion build as I do on RF
RF is the king of tanky starter builds so that's normal
onyx adder
Good enough to be tip top of league start econ? No
coral summit
The hunter mace is also what i would call a fucking bastard to craft is the problem lol
onyx adder
Good enough to play the game? Sure
coral summit
it's like a 1/8 slam
modern zinc
Good enough to be tip top of league start econ? No
is necro spectres more tip top than rf?
dusky urchin
stop dying
Ok
coral summit
and if you whiff, you have settle with reforging suffixes until you hit warcry cdr again>veiled orb 2/3 to not lose it>craft your last mod
surreal musk
only sub 3 hr is good enough
dusky urchin
Good enough to play the game? Sure
Thanks
onyx adder
is necro spectres more tip top than rf?
Uh i was talking to the 6 hour campaign guy
modern zinc
oh
onyx adder
Spectres have a higher ceiling than rf but theyve also got some issues
Primary one being forged frostbearer ai
That mob is braindead
Bring back syndicate EK mob
ember goblet
Some of the graphs from back when I did my own approximate shader compiler:
i hope alexander will give a talk at exilecon 26
modern zinc
Primary one being forged frostbearer ai
I was thinking about that blue crab from harvest actually
Primal Crushclaw
ember goblet
loved his gi talk and found his videos before even playing poe lol
modern zinc
they r tanky
onyx adder
Crushclaw is a utility spectre it hasnt done proper dps in years
whole bluff
"It's cool that this mob works as a spectre." - Zizaran 2023
"That mob works as a spectre???" - GGG 2023
"Syndicate Enforcer spectre has been destroyed." - Patch Notes, 2023
ember goblet
Some of the graphs from back when I did my own approximate shader compiler:
god i love custom engines this shit is awesome lol
onyx adder
Tbf syndicate spectre is super insanely unintuitive
ember goblet
i wish poe wasnt so mmo-y so i could reverse it without being bad
:(
custom engines are so cool
onyx adder
Idk what syndicate enforcer is the good spectre was syndicate operative
ember goblet
noita was a blast to explore technically
whole bluff
Idk what syndicate enforcer is the good spectre was syndicate operative
ah, I forgot
onyx adder
Yer
unreal sand
i wish poe wasnt so mmo-y so i could reverse it without being bad
do you mean live-service?
onyx adder
It was an attack spectre that u put spell echo on
lucid gale
god i love custom engines this shit is awesome lol
I forget which presentation it was from but peeps sometimes ask why the game isn't using a "standard" engine.
IIRC, back in the dark ages engine licenses were quite steep and early open source ones like OGRE were not really viable.
onyx adder
Most unintuitive mob in poe
lucid gale
To some extent, PoE is what it is because the bones enable it to be.
ember goblet
do you mean live-service?
yeah, moreso just multiplayer in general
whole bluff
Most unintuitive mob in poe
ah, I actually didnt know it was so messed up, just that it was wonky and GGG didnt know how strong it was
unreal sand
To some extent, PoE is what it is because the bones enable it to be.
"It is what it iiiiisss" 😂
Though now I am thinking of what if POE was more mmo'ey. Waiting for Hillock to respawn on the beach like its vanilla wow T_T
finite quail
Thank god its not like that
native abyss
hillock 40 man raid boss
onyx adder
Certain ARPGs do have world bosses
finite quail
You just kill hillock, log out, and wait like 15 mins for the instance to reset
onyx adder
Certain ARPGs are dogshit
lucid gale
I think the closest you might have to it is the rotating area mods of some event leagues.
unreal sand
40 man Delve KEKW
silent leaf
40 man Delve KEKW
That's alrd the actual number of ppl doing delve
unreal sand
Shoutout to Steve
dusty mesa
Certain ARPGs are dogshit
if said arpg actually gave loot on world boss, it would be fine
queen jungle
First Mirror!!!
modern zinc
honestly I would actually love world bosses on poe
onyx adder
if said arpg actually gave loot on world boss, it would be fine
Would it tho
unreal sand
First Mirror!!!
onyx adder
QQ top guilds camping azmodan killing in 3 seconds cant get loot when i want to get it QQ
U could hear the mald from orbit
modern zinc
lmfao
hexed mountain
idk world bosses in PoE would require to be basically perma invuln phases
because of the hilarious difference in dps there can be between "average" builds and some bossers
modern zinc
I thought it could be like
hexed mountain
or there would be groups be legit "no invit under 200M dps" because dealing with 30 people at 5M dps is just clutter for no damage
modern zinc
"hey this boss is available to be killed for 10 minutes"
and we would have multiple instances of 8 ppl
hard cliff
"hey this boss is available to be killed for 10 minutes"
bring back master missions
modern zinc
just open the portal and you'll be thrown into a random instance
hexed mountain
random?
modern zinc
maybe you'll get lucky and get a free kill if someone has 200m dps
hexed mountain
the 8 support players ending up in the same instance
i'd be for it if soloing the boss would give you 8 times the loot
imagine being SSF and soloing a world boss to get the same loot as the people who had an 8 man party with suppots : 
modern zinc
makes sense
honestly I wish PoE had a /players 8 command like diablo 2 did
I loved when mercenaries would give more loot to monsters as if it was a player in party
hexed mountain
i'm not a fan of world bosses tho , i play PoE to not have to deal with teammates
modern zinc
I wish I had someone to play Terraria or Stardew Valley with
hexed mountain
i have a cure for that
launch league of legends and start a soloQ , 20 minutes later you have no more longing for someone else in your videogame
modern zinc
oh no not league lmfao
hexed mountain
what would you guy say about PoE1 getting invocation skills too
if they worked like manaforge , not needing to be in main link ofc
i just pobbed a basic trans glacial hammer slayer for league start , lowkey it looks really solid with marylene and building it like a non-crit build just getting a 500% crit multi crit every 3 hits
its still a melee splash skill but on slayer its acceptable aoe especially with maces
finite quail
i just pobbed a basic trans glacial hammer slayer for league start , lowkey it l...
Do you run multistrike with it?
lucid gale
Whenever I hear world bosses I tend to remember GW2's, which pretty much became participation trophies.
You show up according to spawn tracker, you do some token contribution in a zerg and you get a reward.
finite quail
Cause that skill is good with ruthless
hard cliff
what would you guy say about PoE1 getting invocation skills too
how would that work
finite quail
but ruthless and multistrike dont mesh well cause you have to do 3 full instances of multistrike attacks for ruthless to kick in
hexed mountain
Do you run multistrike with it?
will depend on how it plays in game , for pob i did ruthless
could go multistrike if ruthless is too clunky for clear
dry tree
Whenever I hear world bosses I tend to remember GW2's, which pretty much became ...
World bosses don't work for this reason. If they're too hard they never get interacted with by most players. If they're not too hard they suck and are free loot
finite quail
Though multistrike and ruthless would be real nice since both damage multipliers apply
hexed mountain
for pinnacles sure you can probably slap both in
hard cliff
Whenever I hear world bosses I tend to remember GW2's, which pretty much became ...
The Final Fantasy raids where it was just like three 12-man groups or maybe it was like six I don't know it was a lot of people those were pretty decent. Once everybody started getting gear over the few weeks they became trivial but the first week was always fun because there was good chances of you team wiping if enough people couldn't carry their weight.
finite quail
second repeat deals 44% more damage, and ruthless deals 98% more damage on every 9th hit with multistrike
modern zinc
World bosses don't work for this reason. If they're too hard they never get inte...
that's why PoE will have 8ppl instanced bosses
it's not so many ppl that each individual participation becomes meaningles
dry tree
You're describing an MMO, not an ARPG
modern zinc
MMOARPG
hard cliff
24 people in ffxiv with a default party being six
dry tree
That's a weird acronym for bad
modern zinc
GGG can make it work
finite quail
Also I don't think most people want that
dry tree
Ggg can barely get poe2 to work
finite quail
Because it wouldnt be very good
lucid gale
There's some interesting effects on community cohesion and giving reason to play from occasional world events, like the hunts of XIV.
Gameplay-wise, they're in a weird spot.
hexed mountain
damage looks quite high, i used custom config to test just the third hit on ruthless and its getting 6.2M average hit with no damage on gloves and no jewels , 9.4M with tincture up
modern zinc
Ggg can barely get poe2 to work
wdym it's a great game
dry tree
Uh huh
onyx adder
or there would be groups be legit "no invit under 200M dps" because dealing with...
The other problem in poe is that one asshole playing wardloop and then nobody else can even zone into the instance without crashing
lucid gale
You're describing an MMO, not an ARPG
That's one of the things that I find fascinating about D4 - the open world model they have for an ARPG straddles the boundary.
dry tree
WTD it's simple you just turn on determination and wardloop breaks
hard cliff
damage looks quite high, i used custom config to test just the third hit on ruth...
how are you getting clear on gh though
hexed mountain
The other problem in poe is that one asshole playing wardloop and then nobody el...
yeah the sheer range of possibilities and scaling makes it a bit weird for stuff like that
dry tree
I haven't played enough D4 to fairly comment on it but my initial reaction was that the open world added nothing other than wasted time as you wandered around
karmic gust
I haven't played enough D4 to fairly comment on it but my initial reaction was t...
this applies in most games that add open world for no reason :d
hexed mountain
how are you getting clear on gh though
you're basically a non-crit build that hits a ruthless 500% crit multi blow every 3 hit , your non-crits are still 800K damage with +3 targets and slayer aoe
karmic gust
certain bordelands game comes to mind aswell
hexed mountain
so the clear should be very acceptable
onyx adder
Multiplayer open worlds are ONLY ever fun if people are doing interactive things in it
lucid gale
There's some interesting aspects that it brings. It enables world bosses and the PvP and organic collaboration areas have quite some possibility.
hexed mountain
slayer gives a lot of inc AoE and maces have a lot of AoE too
onyx adder
If ur multiplayer is just kill mobs together its always useless
onyx adder
slayer gives a lot of inc AoE and maces have a lot of AoE too
U playing trans gh
lucid gale
One of the things I liked about D4 was stopping for a bit and killing foes together with some rando without exchanging any words, and then continuing on my journey, or finding people to res out in the wild.
onyx adder
That build is ok i saw some pobs couple leagues ago
dry tree
Open world has only been meaningful to me when it "forces" pvp in certain aspects
onyx adder
One of the things I liked about D4 was stopping for a bit and killing foes toget...
See for me that is fun less than 10 times total per game
hexed mountain
U playing trans gh
yeah with +3 strike targets and 127% inc AoE it shouldnt have clear issues tbh
coral summit
mugged my old font build and swapped mageblood+earthshatter of fragility in, it's like 35% less damage but all flasks are actually perm uptime for everything so it's a bit less fake https://pobb.in/aDaW2hAhGbHA
hexed mountain
147% if using the mace base with 20% aoe
coral summit
the aps is still lower than i'd like but it should be pretty neat.
lucid gale
I'm a sucker for shared experiences and vibes.
onyx adder
So am i but imo killing stuff silently together is Not It
dry tree
I just think you can do shared experiences in a linear way
Large empty area devoid of content doesn't make me cooperative
onyx adder
I like mmo dungeonfinder dungeons, for example
lucid gale
Anyway, drifting a fair bit from PoE, I should do something useful.
onyx adder
They require at least basic communication usually
onyx adder
Anyway, drifting a fair bit from PoE, I should do something useful.
Hey the context is should this stuff ever go in poe
Thats related
hard cliff
you're basically a non-crit build that hits a ruthless 500% crit multi blow e...
+3 targets where every pack is 30+ monsters bro
how
onyx adder
Even if the answer is always that forced multiplayer in arpgs can get fed into a woodchipper
Its fun to have the discussion
hexed mountain
+3 targets where every pack is 30+ monsters bro
there's melee splash with 127+% AoE
i've played normal GH before with the one handed unique mace and inspiring dom blow , enough + targets and melee splash does the job
its not a full screen 360 AoE like some skills but its very decent
also the splash overlaps when you got good AoE
hexed mountain
well trans GH is a pseudo crit
hexed mountain
https://pobb.in/3CuYvOB3vNyi do not mind the dps its fake
i added custom config to only calculate the average hit for the 3rd hit
so on this gear its 6.25M average on 3rd and 9.4M if tincture is on
hard cliff
that looks good proof of concept
hexed mountain
random cryonic rings because i tried the bloodline but there's no viable curse to replace frostbite if you penetrate since you always crit
cobalt tulip
what builds can i try for leaguestart sanctum runs ?
hexed mountain
shockwave totem glasscanon still good i guess?
silent leaf
Hexblast :xdd:
hexed mountain
pbod good too , you just need more clusters and things to match before it gets going
silent leaf
Dead
hexed mountain
once it gets going its super good
surreal musk
all the tryhard sanctum rushers play pbod on day 1 with no clusters or anything
cobalt tulip
shockwave totem glasscanon still good i guess?
if this is viable I can try that
just fyi this will be my first time doing sanctum
hexed mountain
i honestly don't know the entry cost for a glasscanon build on sanctum
can probably snipe +3 shockwave totem necks early on for dirt cheap
dialla is probably the expensive item early on
coral summit
isn't day 1 pbod with no clusters kind of ass compared to most other stuff
tight plinth
if this is viable I can try that
just fyi this will be my first time doing sanct...
you should go to standard and make a shockwave totem build there with your old currency then run a few sanctums.
hexed mountain
isn't day 1 pbod with no clusters kind of ass compared to most other stuff
yeah its very bad before you get it going , thats why i suggested shockwave totem
tight plinth
sanctum is also about the layout knowledge
hexed mountain
it gets amazing when you got gear invested and good brand attachment range and cast speed
but before that its cringe
coral summit
I've done day 1 sanctum on earthshatter before, and it's still doable but I can imagine the swt/brand builds just don't have to think when they play it
cuz they can just offscreen the guards
cobalt tulip
you should go to standard and make a shockwave totem build there with your old c...
okay yeah good idea
coral summit
slams just skate on having so much early frontloaded damage it's insane
i'm gonna see if I can convert this build to dawnbreaker+enmity's instead of leadership's price
and double manifold
though losing a manifold means no giga tinctures >:U
and I have to figure out somehow how to fit 4 hunter items in here
which probably means amulet, 4th vow, gloves, and boots
hard cliff
hexed mountain
I've done day 1 sanctum on earthshatter before, and it's still doable but I can ...
yeah , also squishy sanctum runners can legit run double ming's heart
144% phys as extra chaos vs targets on 30 chaos res is an hilarious damage boost
(only pbod get the 2nd one though since you need astral proj i forgor i played pbod last time)
spice pecan
cant do it on shockwave totem ye
solemn relic
If kingsmarch is nerfed/removed I’m gonna crash out
finite quail
cooking up a diabolical build rn
finite quail
If kingsmarch is nerfed/removed I’m gonna crash out
its not dw
surreal musk
If kingsmarch isn't nerfed/removed I’m gonna crash out
finite quail
If kingsmarch isn't nerfed/removed I’m gonna crash out
it is dw
spice pecan
kingsmarch needs to get gutted or removed
surreal musk
MOBILE GAMEING
lean urchin
"if my afk, offline moneymaking is gone im gonna crash out"
spice pecan
tired of this mobile game bullshit where my mappers in kingsmarch get more out of running a map than i do
finite quail
It def does need a nerf
solemn relic
tired of this mobile game bullshit where my mappers in kingsmarch get more out o...
Then ground loot needs a buff lol
finite quail
I never understood why ggg didnt nerf it after settlers
spice pecan
Then ground loot needs a buff lol
it 10000000000% does
solemn relic
idk why ppl feel so forced to do kingsmarch, like I get that it’s rewarding but you don’t have to be 110% efficient all the time.
spice pecan
mappers in kingsmarch make more out of a map than i do with scarabs
solemn relic
like I run mostly alch n go t16s and im happy enough
spice pecan
that is fundamentally not good
solemn relic
so if manual mapping was buffed to be better than auto mapping you’d be satisfied?
spice pecan
yes?
spice pecan
it still injects a shit ton of money into the economy and you still lose out on not doing it
mappers + boats
i don't think it's healthy for the game as a whole, but personally I would be fine as long as fucking mobile game mappers didn't make more than I did actually playing the damn game
spice pecan
but i mean i get why a mostly alch n go player wants kingsmarch, it's really the only way for you to get divines
modern zinc
i don't think it's healthy for the game as a whole, but personally I would be fi...
honestly I kinda like those nerds
spice pecan
because ground loot/playing the game is so fucking terrible
modern zinc
I throw the worse layout maps at them
solemn relic
look bro, I didn’t wait a whole fucking year for kingsmarch to go core just for it to be made irrelevant/unavailable
modern zinc
I'd never do those maps anyway
cobalt blade
Arc, Winter Orb, Power Siphon, Kinetic Fusillade
VD homes
spice pecan
i'm so sorry you waited for that
hard cliff
Like
ok here's my idea
Hey @spice pecan
Does Trathus bladefall feed mana into sigil of power ?
spice pecan
i dont see why it wouldnt
but that skill also triggered scold's bridle so who knows how fucked up the code on it is
hard cliff
So wouldn't that mean you could just drop Sigil of Power on a mana regen heavy bladefall of trathus build and get INSANT RAMP with a full power sigil of power of power
Imagine the boss deeps
solemn relic
also remember that refilling mappers/boats takes approximately 2 minutes every couple hours, it’s not like it’s a massive hassle
hard cliff
Hoooly archmage tech
spice pecan
you only get so many stages per second iirc
spice pecan
i mean you could just charge it to max by like, doing normal stuff too
but you'd probably have to test this
hard cliff
Bladefall of Trarthus Archmage
cobalt blade
also remember that refilling mappers/boats takes approximately 2 minutes every c...
its longer than 2 minutes because you spend about 5 minutes looting the mappers a few minutes grabbing the maps (from 8 mod scarab or trade or rolling them yourself) and then the 2 minutes actually filling the mappers
hard cliff
it's real
I win
I invented this build
The fact someone else did it first doesn't matter cause i didn't know about it
I invented this build
and so did this guy
hexed mountain
in phrecia there was probably the strongest BF of thrarthus build ever
sad thing bogger isnt core
you could legit lifetap sacrifice 20K life when entering a map with BF of trarthus and it snapshotted for the entire map giving you 40M dps BF
solemn relic
its longer than 2 minutes because you spend about 5 minutes looting the mappers ...
Fine 7 minutes per few hours. But still. No reason to whine about setup time there. Idk if y’all remember but before kingsmarch there were years where you spent wayyy longer than 7 minutes setting up your maps
spice pecan
who was whining about setup time what
solemn relic
who was whining about setup time what
you
spice pecan
????????
hard cliff
Dude said bogger with the hard r
hexed mountain
mappers are nice but i skipped them in phrecia as they were legitimately not worth the god cost compared to conqueror idol gamba immo
spice pecan
the point of it going core is that you don't need to set it up anymore lmao
coral summit
imo the thing with mappers/ships is that they can take a resource that you otherwise just might not be using but are printing in extremely large quantities
and turn it into generated currency instead of flipped
solemn relic
????????
there’s no reason to complain about being forced to do kingsmarch other than having to setup boats and mappers
spice pecan
are you like, trolling
coral summit
if you're doing a mapping strat that shits out gold but aren't then spending time flipping on the market/doing a ton of recombinating
it's just sitting there piling up
spice pecan
like i get that you primarily play alch n go, and that kingsmarch is your main source of divines
hard cliff
Always comforting to see this in the build description
coral summit
so you just give a generous donation to kingsmarch and get even more money
spice pecan
again, not an insult, but just an indicator of the sad state of ground loot
coral summit
if you do divination scarab of plenty for example
you arent gonna get much raw currency drops
but you'll get a ton of scarabs/div cards
solemn relic
so is the problem the existence of kingsmarch or the lack of ground loot
spice pecan
you really think that people should be able to passively print dozens of divs and occasional mirrors for doing effectively nothing?
coral summit
the currency you actually get from killing eighty morbillion monsters comes from taking the gold they drop and giving it to the Kalguurans :V
spice pecan
like why can't the enemies in the maps drop the currency that the boats give
hard cliff
the currency you actually *get* from killing eighty morbillion monsters comes fr...
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
hexed mountain
lowkey scarab is raw currency , so many hilariously expensive scarabs from just selling them to NPCs for random scarabs
coral summit
And that's probably what people find problematic
spice pecan
why do we have to have this timegated passive bullshit
hexed mountain
must have gotten 20-30 400+c scarabs just in phrecia from selling to npc
spice pecan
when the enemies in the maps could just be dropping that loot in the fucking first place
jesus fuck
cobalt blade
Fine 7 minutes per few hours. But still. No reason to whine about setup time the...
my personal problem is that its an afk mechanic that encourages constantly logging on to refill them and i dislike that shit
and as for setup time its a whole lot different rolling maps for yourself than for an afk mechanic lol and it actually feels rewarding
coral summit
people dont want to have to go to the mappers/ships to do stuff when it has gacha type mechanics where u gotta go check back in every X hours
cuz that feels like ass
cobalt blade
like its just mobile game login to do your dailies shit
coral summit
ppl just want to kill eighty morbillion monsters and they drop currency alongside the other stuff
solemn relic
guys I’m not saying they shouldn’t buff loot
spice pecan
delete kingsmarch, add that loot to your maps, boom, now alch and go is much more enjoyable
it's not rocket science i swear to god
karmic gust
they are even trying to get rid of dailies in rs3, yet ggg is adding dailies instaed smh
hexed mountain
i just want the goddamn miners and smelters to be competent. if i'm not using the turn to bars scarab in just 30 mins they have an entire week worth of smelting
lean urchin
they are even trying to get rid of dailies in rs3, yet ggg is adding dailies ins...
they gotta fix their shitty combat first
hexed mountain
finish one settlers juiced map : see the smelters will take 20 hours to smelt the ore
spice pecan
also delete genesis tree while we're at it too, make the tree loot just drop from the breach
again, what a concept
haughty bloom
@johnathan look
silent leaf
delete kingsmarch, add that loot to your maps, boom, now alch and go is much mor...
Frfr
haughty bloom
he solved your game
solemn relic
or we could have all of those things be rewarding? so nobody loses out on mechanics they enjoy?
cobalt blade
also delete genesis tree while we're at it too, make the tree loot just drop fro...
i wouldnt mind it as only a source of foulborn uniques everything else hard agree
finite quail
nice
haughty bloom
nah foulborn unique should drop from breach boss
spice pecan
or we could have all of those things be rewarding? so nobody loses out on mechan...
if they moved tree loot to breaches then maybe people would actually like the new breaches
hexed mountain
the main thing i want is GGG giving us back the trigger skills dont cost mana. like i'm reserving 30% of my mana for that spellslinger why am i paying twice
spice pecan
because you know, they would be dropping 6Ls and foulborns and shit
cobalt blade
nah foulborn unique should drop from breach boss
i like the targetability of the tree for them
silent leaf
the main thing i want is GGG giving us back the trigger skills dont cost mana. ...
The main thing I want is GGG to bring back 3.14 loot
spice pecan
in its current state if you want to farm foulborns, you do the awful cursed coves strat for blood/gifts and then buy the rest of the gifts
and sit there spinning the slot machine on the tree
that's barely playing the game
silent leaf
cut me some slack okay
No
finite quail
huh
hexed mountain
in its current state if you want to farm foulborns, you do the awful cursed cove...
doing it for 10 days straight in SSF to get a mageblood : finaly some fun gameplay
finite quail
silent leaf
The pic is irrelevant I just wanted to repost it
spice pecan
i would lose what's left of my mind if i did cursed coves for ten days lmao
it's not as bad as the old mf culler bullshit at least
solemn relic
idk why we can’t just keep the town and the tree and also buff breaches and ground loot… it’s a win for everyone and nobody loses out on anything
finite quail
idk why we can’t just keep the town and the tree and also buff breaches and grou...
its to keep a good balance on the economy I guess
its not as easy as buffing everything everywhere
haughty bloom
just delete town, and make a good source of tattoos somewhere else... idk make them drop from ore nodes
spice pecan
you can't just buff everything all the time
finite quail
Because more drops means more quantity which means prices go down
because there's more stock for the same demand
surreal musk
because everything is relative to the economy if half of mirror shards come from kingsmarch then a dropped mirror shard is half as valuable
spice pecan
i dont remember the last time i was excited for a divine tink in my maps
cobalt blade
would say alot more than half come from kingsmarch
spice pecan
because i know im getting 3 from my stupid boat when it comes in
cobalt blade
harbies so rarely drop mirror shards
finite quail
I'm always excited for divine tinks
Cause I don't interact with kingsmarch
cant be bothered
spice pecan
Cause I don't interact with kingsmarch
it even affected me in phrecia where i didn't interact with km at all
finite quail
feeling like I have to go back and forth between maps and kingsmarch all the time feels like a huge fucking slog
because of the gold requirement for everything
So I don't bother
Plus its boring getting passive loot tbh
No effort
I'd rather farm everything myself
solemn relic
yeah exactly, nobody is forcing you to do kingsmarch. idk why ppl force themselves to slog thru mechanics they hate just to be the most “efficient”
spice pecan
because why would i run maps for a tink every 20 maps
finite quail
yeah exactly, nobody is forcing you to do kingsmarch. idk why ppl force themselv...
It doesn't matter why people do it
onyx adder
Efficiency is fun
finite quail
The problem is that people do it regardless
spice pecan
when i can get guaranteed tinks from the boat
coral summit
if you aren't flipping or recombinating, gold just piles up
haughty bloom
its more gold efficient to flip currency anyways kingsmarch is just degenerate gambling
lean urchin
why do you have awakend trade if u dont care about efficiency
just manually search items
coral summit
its more gold efficient to flip currency anyways kingsmarch is just degenerate g...
It is, but most people hate doing that
people both hate kingsmarch marginally less on average and flipping also doesn't outright generate the items while kingsmarch does
that's why people are pointing out kingsmarch is kind of a problem
onyx adder
Trade league is all about relative efficiency anyway
silent leaf
Gentlemen I found and easy solution
Increase Gold Drops by 500% and trade price by 500%
That's it
Kingsmarch is easy to sustain
And everything is back to normal
coral summit
because it's both the least ass way to liquidate your gold and the only gold sink that outright generates currency items
silent leaf
Everyone is happy
cobalt blade
technically the best gold sink that generates currency is flipping on faustus
onyx adder
I dont care about having to sustain kingsmarch
silent leaf
technically the best gold sink that generates currency is flipping on faustus
Card Flipping is better no?
cobalt blade
just flip mirror shards or smth that consumes alot of gold
coral summit
that's not generating currency though that's just moving it
cobalt blade
Card Flipping is better no?
depends
onyx adder
I care about having to remember kingsmarch exists
silent leaf
You find shit like Soultaker for Kingmaker for idiots who don't know the recipe
cobalt blade
grand spectrums are i thinka good card to flip
solemn relic
how bout we stop whining about mechanics we aren’t actually being forced to do and just have fun playing the fucking game? that’s what I do and I’m perfectly happy
onyx adder
Fuck that
coral summit
generating=adds a new item to the economy
flipping>moving your currency and reselling it for higher currency, no net currency has been added or removed
onyx adder
how bout we stop whining about mechanics we aren’t actually being forced to do a...
Nah ur on the internet whinging about whinging
U dont get to pretend ur better than anybody lmao
cobalt blade
generating=adds a new item to the economy
flipping>moving your currency and rese...
ay but as far as i care gold has been converted to currency for you for both
coral summit
I mean, yesn't and the distinction is important for the discussion, right?
cobalt blade
ye fuck kingsmarch
coral summit
because people ask "where did the loot go" in context of net total expected items generated from a player playing the game