i still do self-damage with echoes of creation too
#1┃general
coral summit
hexed mountain
if you could just cycle two tinctures everyone would be doing that on melee builds , a tincture is a lot more value than a flask for a melee
cobalt blade
i think this is what the group players do for sap
so they can get 100 mana burn for that faster
coral summit
do i even need to run clarity with echoes+10% mana recoup?
cobalt blade
probably its still flat regen
coral summit
i get 75 mana recouped over 4s for each attack
so 150 per 4s>37.5/s from that
aspect of carnage actually makes that better.
peak ore
hi im currently trying imexile's earthshatter zerker build trying to do my 4 watchstones myself for the first time. im at ~1 mill dps and 4k hp. Is this too low to try to do maven with? What would you aim for? I am elemental resist capped as well but bad chaos resist
coral summit
maven doesnt do chaos damage
but you're definitely on the squishier/lower dps side of it
peak ore
what would you recommend
split maple
Like 3mil or so?
coral summit
3mil and try to get to like 4.8-5k life
gentle ice
it's fine if you're not doing the gauntlet version of it 🤔
peak ore
thanks all ill try and aim for that
stoic horizon
the more dps you have, the more room for skill issue
split maple
Should make it doable by dying to third memory game a few times
civic charm
I can't do gauntlet maven with 3m Dps 😭
peak ore
ive only ever done the 2 watchstone bosses
civic charm
Memory game op
coral summit
what's your current axe look like
cuz you should definitely be able to get your hands on a better axe
split maple
1mil sounds kinda low low for zerker
peak ore
im using an uul netol's kiss
civic charm
3rd phase gauntlet maven was op
gentle ice
had to make a character with TON of dps to do gauntlet maven 😭 , i never really had that much issue with normal maven
peak ore
im only lvl 77 but planned on trying to fight her tomorrow or tonight
hexed mountain
i failed her just once : the random mod was you're huge and i couldnt fit through the openings 🙁
coral summit
ok yeah then definitely try to get a better axe
pulsar dune
I'd try to get a couple more levels for sure
modest depot
hi im currently trying imexile's earthshatter zerker build trying to do my 4 wat...
4k life seems pretty low with access to gear from the tree
split maple
Why aren't you Just using a decent rare then
coral summit
uul netol's kiss vanilla is fucking terrible cuz of its low action speed
split maple
Like smh with 900 pdps is free from tree
nova plank
so league ended, how long till my character is available in normal ?
peak ore
i just got to maps on this character like 30 min ago
coral summit
yeah get to like
split maple
So finish atlas or smh dude
modest depot
also uul netols kiss 🤮
coral summit
yeah
modest depot
you could make a 3rd character in the time it takes you to attack
coral summit
go for levels and an ~800pdps axe
an easy patch if you arent running impale is uhh
the kaom axe
is super op on berserker early on
split maple
Just rare this league
hexed mountain
the 500% warcry thing is really good if you go bannerman route tho
split maple
Tree shits them out
coral summit
well yeah this league it's tree axes
but if hes doing it for later kaom's primacy should be a huge upgrade
peak ore
im tryin to get an axe but havent gotten a good one yet from th etree
split pagoda
i wouldnt put on kaoms primary personally just too slow
modest depot
u end up with a lot of axes that could be good if x happened. generally i use the tree to get recomb fodder
and every time u get triple t1 phys its gonna be a sword
split maple
I mean reduce attacks boost phys and speed and 900pdps is Just matter of time
coral summit
its way better than uul netols kiss
split pagoda
you want a fast axe for earthshatter?
yeah faster = more fun
split maple
You don't need more
split pagoda
and generally more dps especially on zerker
modest depot
if you are zerker i would use an axe with like 1.6 aps
gentle ice
elemental hit gauntlet maven was pretty meh i was not able to do it with it personally because you had to get close to attack and these beams were annoying ... (my dps was not that great either), i've made an arc stats stacker that destroyed it in few seconds 🤣
modest depot
void axe is really nice
coral summit
slightly faster than uul netols and you get like
70% of phys as extra fire+culling strike
at 47 rage
runic terrace
Pherica ended ueah? Chars migrated yet?
coral summit
i mean if he's doing impale then yeah
coral summit
literally everyone who leaguestarted zerker was buying it back in the vfos league
split maple
Brutality is a lot of dmg
split maple
literally everyone who leaguestarted zerker was buying it back in the vfos leagu...
Vfos is fire convert
modest depot
vfos is not earthshatter
coral summit
or even on earthshatter
split maple
Eartshatter is not
coral summit
hes playing zerker, with hoa+herald of purity and kaoms your damage by volume is already like
more than half fire without converting
just taking lava lash+40% convert gets you pretty good results
split maple
Way Lower than what you had if you droped herald of Ash for more autoexert
And used brutality
And fast rare axe
modest depot
@coral summit the issue is you don't have good supports to replace brutality
and to change your tree would be to nerf your build by more damage tahn its worth
like i would literally just spam black market axes for 500-600 pdps before i use a kaoms
willow moth
whats league migration
coral summit
with brutality neither ele mod matters
so second one just out the box would be better
split maple
Are you only looking at 6l ones or smh
peak ore
5 link
split maple
Well dont
6l in body
Axe whatever
Like you can fit autoexerts into helmet, boot, gloves
And use runegraft of jeweler
native abyss
wow didnt know you could sort
modest depot
@peak ore here is example ssf setup i used recently. https://pobb.in/5QXCjWgJAS4y
i voided my character so couldn't import it
but killed an uber in 25 hours of play time and i think you could cut that down by a lot
tardy knoll
How long does it take to be able to migrate your character?
modest depot
you want to minimize socket pressure in weapon so you can comfortably upgrade axes as you receive them
peak ore
<@1395787632977383435> here is example ssf setup i used recently. https://pobb.i...
ty
i have a 5 link of auto exert battlecries + vulnerability in there rn
modest depot
yeah just run 2 4 links
modest depot
clarity 
modest depot
holy
gotta put new skates on my mouse but if u need any help/have questions on zerker u can ping me @peak ore
class and skill is busted
coral summit
https://pobb.in/ayCh7VVSwLYG 6l kaoms primacy with barely any config
tawdry karma
migration working yet?
coral summit
can prolly drop herald of ash and fit in determination but maven doesnt do any phys damage
and theres some room to just fit some max res instead probably
its not even close to optimized just a ten minute "if you want to kill maven with a cheap as shit unique axe and earthshatter that's how you get dmg numbers" thing
loud sundial
alright ya boy is done with the league and i have 34 divs left, what should i gamble this on for shits and giggles?
coral summit
how expensive are immortal cards
loud sundial
23 div
coral summit
hmm
bit too much then for it to be really fun
cuz 50% it just poofs on first click lol
loud sundial
would be funny after i get over the sting of it tho lmao
assuming i dont win big
fuck it, we gamba
coral summit
but yeah theres a bunch of other stuff you can use too if your goal is just kill maven>don't die to ele damage on her
ignite immunity, max cold/fire res
native abyss
classic
loud sundial
it be like that sometimes
elfin shale
Should i sell my FBMB and gamba cards or just keep it as a trophy in standard since it dropped raw for me
coral summit
unfortunate
loud sundial
id keep it as a trophy personally
tranquil geyser
what is that chained ball?
peak ore
oh man this feels way better after switching the axe
tranquil geyser
she has the manacles and shit
she?
coral summit
that's varashta in the trailer
the sekhema that in poe2 got trapped in the trials by zarokh
bold scarab
Sus
coral summit
slammer zerk
finite quail
wait until patchnotes
coral summit
it is basically impossible to screw up
bold scarab
wait until patchnotes
True oof
finite quail
it is basically impossible to screw up
unless its giga nerfed
bold scarab
they wont nerf the entire archetype
You say that but they have done it before
coral summit
sunder's shockwaves might get collateral
but other slams arent exactly overperforming
bold scarab
They deleted spellslinger from the game for multiple years
coral summit
outside of league start scenario
bold scarab
They screwed over aura minions for no reason
Saying they don't attack archetypes is insane
OH AND DONT FORGET ARCHMAGE
coral summit
i mean they do, but it would be stupid as shit to do it
cuz they only just buffed it in 3.25
coral summit
its just that it's been so goddamn long since 3.25 was a seven month league
modern zinc
millions of dps
coral summit
earthquake is like 850% damage effectiveness if you get both hits
bold scarab
earthquake is strong af boi
If it wasn't it wouldn't be worth playing
coral summit
that is higher than most slams
but nowhere near earthshatter or even perforate
earthquake is also clunky as fuck
peak ore
do the other slams play differently from earthshatter
bold scarab
You gotta understand ... Nerfing a melee skill or even a fake melee skill is a death sentence cuz they already suck
peak ore
are they more clunky like sunder sorta
coral summit
that can shotgun big enemies
peak ore
i like that earthshatter feels smooth
coral summit
most other slams are just big one-hit bonks in various shapes
bold scarab
Do people even use tectonic slam anymore?
coral summit
no
bold scarab
Gg
coral summit
because tectonic slam's damage effectiveness is shit and it eats your endurance charges
bold scarab
Lol
lucid gale
what is that chained ball?
World's largest tea infuser? 😄
coral summit
cataclysm has some niche uses
it gets the single biggest bonks in the game by a lot
peak ore
what are other tanky league starters that arent RF
coral summit
and you can use it on general's cry to some effectiveness
bold scarab
RF
coral summit
but the majority of slams are in like
bold scarab
what are other tanky league starters that arent RF
Maybe boneshatter but I haven't seen that in years? Get alot of passive Regen on jug through the self damage
coral summit
the 450-650 damage effectiveness range
onyx adder
what are other tanky league starters that arent RF
Maxblock glad
coral summit
earthshatter is out there cuz it's like 900%ish with two overlaps and it can get up to 4-5 on really big bosses
peak ore
seems like its hard to get a build thats tanky but does ok single target in this game on low investment
onyx adder
Lacerate is an ok starter and personally it makes me want to kill myself less than RF does
coral summit
or if the boss stuffs itself in the corner
if you get all overlaps it's like 1800%
which yes is like three times higher than most slams
onyx adder
seems like its hard to get a build thats tanky but does ok single target in this...
Seriously thats just lacerate glad
It scales like crap but its fine for pinnacles and for mapping
peak ore
i always play pure mappers and wanted to try to do bosses
coral summit
but to me thats less an indicator of earthshatter being busted (overtuned yeah, busted idt so) and other slams being undertuned
cuz even if earthshatter did like 25% less damage
it would still be better clear mechanically than basically any circular aoe slam
ice crash/earthquake/etc
peak ore
lacerate
onyx adder
Eh its slower than all of those so its not strictly better
peak ore
is that like a bleed glad
onyx adder
Yes
coral summit
earthshatter has slightly more stuff involved in it but because it's also a shotgun skill it benefits way way more from certain mechanics
instant leech, ailment applications
if you wanted to use leadership's price for example you arent using it on most slams since they just oneshot most packs already
but you would use it on earthshatter or volcanic fissure (normal, not snaking)
or perforate in bossing.
but as i mentioned ytd perforate sand stance is the most dogshit skill imaginable for clear
because it literally misses monsters
with the shape
peak ore
lol
elfin shale
Just get explode 5head
peak ore
are a large percentage of skill gems just not used in this game?
coral summit
(if anyone at GGG is reading this, please do something for that skill in sand stance, whether it's shockwaves on hit like sunder or it can explode enemies)
elfin shale
are a large percentage of skill gems just not used in this game?
There's like three dozen skills played by 70% of the playerbase (which skills depends on league)
coral summit
(coolest skill that would see any amount of playrate if it wasn't just mechanically awful in its mapping mode)
three dozen
lmao
try like one dozen on the first 2 days
elfin shale
Im being generous so people dont uhm akshually me but i guess i just got uhm akshuallied
opaque wing
are a large percentage of skill gems just not used in this game?
There's a defined meta, but I wouldn't say that large segment of skills go 100% unused
often they just lurk until their next relevant point
uneven compass
Bro why no migrate is possible yet phrecia is over for already hours
elfin shale
Most skills are 100% playable
coral summit
theres only a handful of literally unused gems because of actual mechanics
peak ore
often they just lurk until their next relevant point
thats not so bad i thought it would be worse
coral summit
but theres definitely a lot of skill gems that just like
are mechanically inferior
to other skills in their same boat
elfin shale
I played Stormbind and got 4 voidstones this league for god's sake
That skill had 7 players this league, including me
grizzled lily
well 99% of trans gems are not used for sure
coral summit
ice crash for example
the only thing that it's good for is technically having the largest on-paper aoe radius of any slam not named vaal ground slam
peak ore
prolly really old skill
coral summit
but it's mechanically terrible
elfin shale
prolly really old skill
Which?
coral summit
because it has the three expanding radius that do less damage the further out it goes and has fixed time between circles that can't be modified
elfin shale
Its not that old i dont think
grizzled lily
ice crash is really op
coral summit
because it means anything outside that range will just kill you
elfin shale
Its not that old i dont think
Every skill looks old cuz of how long Settlers lasted lol
coral summit
it also has 100% convert out the gate which is like... okay
but it has to compete in the same sandbox as ground slam/VGS, earthshatter, even earthquake which does the same gimmick but manages to be better+can be converted to other elements more easily
elfin shale
Ice Crash of Cadence tho 
coral summit
if you're playing a slam basically you want things to be dead on the kaboom, not frozen is what im saying :V
grizzled lily
are these messages AI generated?
peak heron
are these messages AI generated?
yes we are not real people
elfin shale
Nobody here is real actually
coral summit
dead internet theory
nimble bay
Wild Strike is in need of some slight TLC as well. Great eye candy skill, but tough to make efficient on a budget.
elfin shale
Wild Strike is in need of some slight TLC as well. Great eye candy skill, but to...
Youll run WSoE and like it
elfin spire
ain't no way devs expect us to move maps from temporary chest section to normal. One by one. It's 700 items for me
nimble bay
I invested roughly 80div on a Wild Strike build just to run T17s a couple leagues ago.
coral summit
But yeah, my thesis on most slams is that they should probably all be brought up around the 800-1k% effectiveness mark, which sounds insane comparing it to strike skills but they're harder to scale properly into the endgame since they mostly revolve around warcry scaling
grizzled lily
wild strike of extremes with warp
elfin shale
I invested roughly 80div on a Wild Strike build just to run T17s a couple league...
We got Prismatic Hue this league which is massive
grizzled lily
really op
coral summit
which means unless you forgo overexertion entirely
theres kind of a hard attack speed limit you hit before you start running out of intimidating cry exerts
nimble bay
We got Prismatic Hue this league which is massive
Somehow I havent heard of this.
elfin shale
Somehow I havent heard of this.
Brittle is stonks
coral summit
it also doesn't lock out freeze to inflict brittle
which previously you could only do iirc with hatred sublime vision
and that's a really big sacrifice to make
elfin shale
Oh hey for the first time you can actually get every simgle ele ailment at once this league i think
coral summit
you could do tri ele+double prismatic and a sapping shield
but idt that's very good use of gear
sick ocean
Can I do anything with ithe idols from Phrecia in Keepers?
sick ocean
They're in my stash
opaque wing
They didn't in phrecia one
grizzled lily
they dont get deleted im p sure
coral summit
what are they even for then
grizzled lily
i have them in standard still
sick ocean
They're in my remove only stash
grizzled lily
legacy items
coral summit
are they just trophy items at that point
opaque wing
YEP
coral summit
well there u go
sick ocean
Trophies!
elfin shale
you could do tri ele+double prismatic and a sapping shield
Foulborn Doryani's Fist or Wrath Sublime Vision are other options
elfin shale
Arkhon's Tools or Prismatic Hue for ignite+scorch
coral summit
wrath sublime is kiinda bad tho lol
onyx adder
(coolest skill that would see any amount of playrate if it wasn't just mechanica...
The other problem with perforate is that blood stance is unplayable against moving targets
elfin shale
wrath sublime is kiinda bad tho lol
Oh yeah its awful
onyx adder
The aoe is bad and the delay means u constantly miss half ur skill
coral summit
Most bosses don't move that much if at all tho
which is basically what it exists for
elfin shale
The aoe is bad and the delay means u constantly miss half ur skill
But imagine the PoB dps
onyx adder
The damage on perforate of bloodletting is actually legit it just feels terrible to play
coral summit
it also interacts very very poorly though with lion's roar
which is otherwise a good early unique flask
onyx adder
Most bosses don't move that much if at all tho
Maven and sirus are 💀 with perforate
Maven especially
elfin shale
Maven doesnt move much does she? She teleports a lot but only inbetween every move which is plenty of time to get some hits in
coral summit
she only teleports every 4-5 attacks
onyx adder
Dodge beams get within nose-to-asshole distance because its got no range swing once get off half the spikes and maven tps again
Its the actual nut low
coral summit
sirus is the motherfker
that will iframe you>poke>die beam have to dodge>iframe again
elfin shale
Is there a reason GGG hasnt given players lightning DoT yet or do they just hate me specifically
lucid gale
Oh hey, migration seems up.
coral summit
theres like, six lightning damage over time sources total in the game
that I can think of
elfin shale
lightning dot is just very rare in general in the game.
The weirdest shit is Shaper beam deals tri ele DoT
Legacy of the Rose? Fire Cold only
coral summit
baran runes, mana donut, eater of worlds minion explosions, shaper beam, sirus storms
opaque wing
Is there a reason GGG hasnt given players lightning DoT yet or do they just hate...
Technically they have! Legacy of the Rose, Shaper's Ire
elfin shale
Technically they have! Legacy of the Rose, Shaper's Ire
Its fire and cold only
I thought
Ill double check
coral summit
that one map boss
pulsar dune
In-game it's all 3
elfin shale
In-game it's all 3
Wikis wrong?
coral summit
any other lightning dot sources i'm forgetting about?
opaque wing
Wiki is wrong on this source. It is tri-elemental dots
elfin shale
Dam
I feel like half the reason is just the burden of adding sources of Lightning DoT Multiplier to items and the tree
Though maybe they could balance around it only getting Generic multipliers outside of uniques
opaque wing
You can make it work just via aggressive golem buff scaling as an elementalist, its just a shame that, that chassis can make anything work so its not unique.
pulsar dune
On wiki it's just 2 IIRC tho
onyx adder
Wiki is wrong on this source. It is tri-elemental dots
Rule of thumb is if wiki doesnt have a footnoted source it might as well not exist with how often its wrong
opaque wing
The wiki is just made up of volunteer editors, its not always wrong. But its just the classic case of trust but verify that one should do on any 3rd party information.
nocturne maple
we don't get lightning dots because we would just put on prototype and instantly dot cap
onyx adder
The wiki is just made up of volunteer editors, its not always wrong. But its jus...
Some articles are really good, sure
Some are just ppl saying random shit
I always recommend independent testing
elfin shale
we don't get lightning dots because we would just put on prototype and instantly...
Oh true
steel light
fuck i forgot pher ends, i bought chaos too early and it crashes now
full tide
What are the chances pconc gets nerfed? I never kept up with 3.27 so was it popular?
split pagoda
Pretty low id say
elfin shale
What are the chances pconc gets nerfed? I never kept up with 3.27 so was it popu...
Non-0%
Well
Cis Pconc id say basically 0%
Pconc of Bouncing maybe like 5 - 10% chance
shy furnace
mirage eh
full tide
Its the only thing ive practiced and i dont have much time going into the week before 3.28 to practice anything else
elfin shale
If im using Legacy of The Rose and spend 2000 ES, do i get 10 remembrance or do i have to do 10 separate casts
shy furnace
i did my practice in phrecia haha
opaque wing
If im using Legacy of The Rose and spend 2000 ES, do i get 10 remembrance or do ...
You get all 10 in one cast, I did it with a 50% Aura spell totem to get it all at once
elfin shale
You get all 10 in one cast, I did it with a 50% Aura spell totem to get it all a...
Oh aura totem is smart i was thinking Manabond
full tide
i did my practice in phrecia haha
All i did in phrecia was waste time trying to keep up with economy that ruined every setup i made
shy furnace
lol i just got to 90
full tide
Didnt even get a mageblood 🙁
shy furnace
didnt need or care about no economy
elfin shale
You get all 10 in one cast, I did it with a 50% Aura spell totem to get it all a...
Which skill did you use?
full tide
didnt need or care about no economy
Thats the smart thing to do
opaque wing
I liked the ball, but you had to do way too much work because it has 0 base crit
I tried both beam and balls, but not slam
full tide
Idols meant so many things changed every day, my 2 mod harvest setup which made 50-80c per map after 1 day lost 100c per map
tight plinth
aaaaaaah shiiiz, we gonna get genies and shit
modern zinc
If I have 9k life, 5 endurance charges and 4k regen
do I really need a shield?
as a spellcaster
opaque wing
I mean, no, but you will appreciate it if you're trying to build major defense
steel light
If I have 9k life, 5 endurance charges and 4k regen
pdr and elemental/chaos res?
spice pecan
are you using tempered by war
modern zinc
this is dual wielding sceptres btw
modern zinc
are you using tempered by war
no
no no this is just pob
i'm not playing poe anymore
elfin shale
I tried both beam and balls, but not slam
How was the beam cuz thats what i want to run
steel light
how can u promise u can fix the res when u're not even playing? 
coral summit
hmmm
opaque wing
How was the beam cuz thats what i want to run
It wasn't bad, I'd even say it was decently good, but it was very clunky.
modern zinc
i'll fix it next league when I start playing
coral summit
okay question, you can still move over stuff like delve/breach mods to other bases right but only if they're unfractured?
opaque wing
okay question, you can still move over stuff like delve/breach mods to other bas...
Correct, and as long as other exclusive mod restrictions are followed
spice pecan
no
ah, my resistances are almost exactly the same but i take 60% of ele as fire and 40% as phys
coral summit
ok i think then the route is instead of flat max mana
I try to move over an increased max mana delve mod to a manifold ring, fracture it
and then reflect it
since I can get lower max mana that way
elfin shale
It wasn't bad, I'd even say it was decently good, but it was very clunky.
The clunk is in my blood
opaque wing
I try to move over an increased max mana delve mod to a manifold ring, fracture ...
That's a fun process, did a similar one with life reservation eff. Be aware you're going to eat a lot of bases that way so be aware of the vendor recipes.
elfin shale
Wait so does Aura Totem also work with stuff like Indigon?
coral summit
because nearly nobody uses them
the actual problem is that I can't go below 100% reduced max mana
er, more than*
cuz i have no inc max mana on my tree
so it means I need to both fracture like 12-13% and hit a high roll
opaque wing
Wait so does Aura Totem also work with stuff like Indigon?
As far as I'm aware, it should, its just not very useful in other contexts.
coral summit
fracture that, pass the 1/10* reflect and highroll it
elfin shale
As far as I'm aware, it should, its just not very useful in other contexts.
Thats neat
Prolly worse than just using Arcane Cloak in Indigon's case, but neat
coral summit
it also means that it makes rolling for wed way more painful
might have to also settle on added fire damage to attacks
elfin shale
It wasn't bad, I'd even say it was decently good, but it was very clunky.
Howd you scale the beam? Ele golems?
opaque wing
Howd you scale the beam? Ele golems?
Ele golems, its the easiest way to get a lot of generic dot multi and generic %increased
elfin shale
Yeah thats fair
elfin shale
Would Doryani's Prototype be real or bait
opaque wing
I'd say bait, because tri-elemental is effectively 3x the damage of just trying lightning
elfin shale
Fair
On the other hand though youre looking at ele weakness as your only notable curse
Assuming the enemy has like 50% res, Prototype is more damage even if you ignore cold+fire i think
But them im playing Prototype which is questionable in a vacuum
opaque wing
I mean, or you go excessively hard, hunter curse chest, whispers anoint, and corrupt your unique amulet for +3 curses and do all 4
elfin shale
I mean, or you go excessively hard, hunter curse chest, whispers anoint, and cor...
Just use Anathema lol
opaque wing
That's easier yeah, but you do lose the power of a reflected multi ring then
dry tree
I wouldn't want to go through the effort of applying that many curses unless there's a compelling reason
elfin shale
Ylfeban's Trickery Hex Master
Still gotta be the most.bait thing i ever added to a PoB
coral summit
ok nvm the flat dmg is like 10% less damage than fractured wed
guess i still gotta go with lucent+pristine fossil spam and not fractured % mana
fracture wed fossil spam for the double t1 and pray to annul properly lmao
There's gotta be the world's most jank grey wind+scales of justice build involved here
tight plinth
its 2026, its edwa not wed 😡
coral summit
im not typing the one extra char
spice pecan
i still type rmr instead of mre
crisp obsidian
its 2026, its edwa not wed 😡
Wed wed, happily wed
modern zinc
i still type rmr instead of mre
meal ready-eat
golden moat
I feel like i should do a scion run before they change the ascendancy to the phercia version
shy furnace
well, we dunno what they doing still
golden moat
sherlock holmes entered chat
shy furnace
oh, allysa lui won
golden moat
they teased phrecia scion ascendancy in the trailer, its highly likely
opaque wing
They'd almost certainly only do additively a new one, not replace the old one.
tranquil umbra
bored enough to actually test my leaguestart for 3.28
surreal musk
https://i.imgur.com/NkmhVeA.jpeg fastest 2stone run ive done by ~1hr 😄 ssf fresh start no tree use
https://pobb.in/mT36zQxGa_TZ
tranquil umbra
god damn this skill has no damage early 😭
opaque wing
Its not a bad item, it was better back in older years, and has mostly lost a home now.
nova plank
i see tyvm
golden moat
https://i.imgur.com/NkmhVeA.jpeg fastest 2stone run ive done by ~1hr 😄 ssf fres...
exarch took you an hour to kill? jeez
surreal musk
exarch took you an hour to kill? jeez
no like 2min, i was saying t hat it was 1hr faster than my last 2stone run
onyx adder
724 is good for 2 stones
golden moat
shy furnace
surviving for 1hour is great
civic charm
7:24 2 stone is tudah level
If they make an ascendancy that could get built in shevrons wrappings. I'd be pumped
Ivory tower stonks go up
spice pecan
what if i told you that scavenger has that
spice pecan
seems like it might be in real poe sooner than later
civic charm
Hope
full kraken
Im really hoping one of two things
A: Breach 3.0 doesnt go core
B: Breach 3.0 goes core but I can block it on my tree
I'll take either or, not picky
spice pecan
breach 2.0 is core
civic charm
Both are true
opaque wing
Im really hoping one of two things
A: Breach 3.0 doesnt go core
B: Breach 3.0 g...
You're a bit late, its B
spice pecan
and is blockable by atlas/scarabs
full kraken
You're a bit late, its B
I'll take it
civic charm
I like breach 2.0 I don't get why everyone hated it so much
full kraken
thank fuck for no more stupid breach walls no one asked for
spice pecan
the walls/wave defense is really annoying
void oasis
guys in the karui fortress is there a rule for where that boss spawns that gives you the eye of conquest? like you can approximate where she spawns basedo n any landmarks? tryna learn to speed run campaign
spice pecan
guys in the karui fortress is there a rule for where that boss spawns that gives...
i think it's like top right or top left
civic charm
You just run past them and they disappear?
surreal musk
guys in the karui fortress is there a rule for where that boss spawns that gives...
near nessa
and u can see nessa on map
full kraken
I like breach 2.0 I don't get why everyone hated it so much
every other map having annoying walls that add a tonne of visual clutter and slow you down was an actively terrible decision to add to the game
void oasis
near nessa
tysm i thought so, had to confirm
civic charm
But how do they slow you down if you walk into them and they vanish?
blissful zodiac
when you gotta take a mad shit
spice pecan
You just run past them and they disappear?
and you cant see shit the entire time but if you actually want to DO the breach you have to run around and clear all of them otherwise you lose mobs
full kraken
But how do they slow you down if you walk into them and they vanish?
when you have even kind of high movespeed, you smack into them and they physically stop you and you get substantially slowed down
blissful zodiac
but they lock the men's bathroom and not the woman's bathroom
full kraken
like around ~+150% ms or so it starts to become pretty notable as a slow down, you keep smacking into the walls and have to wait for the animation of them dissolving
civic charm
Ah
full kraken
what get in the w ay
they dont physically stop blocking you til their animation plays
civic charm
Also if you hit the purple dots a whole section explodes
full kraken
you can just skip them anwyas
you realize content can spawn in and amongst the walls right
spice pecan
they're exceptionally annoying if you actually want to do the breach
civic charm
It was super fast making them disappear
U get the little balls and a whole section explodes
spice pecan
yes we know
full kraken
It was super fast making them disappear
When you can run an entire map in like 1 minute, the walls become a very huge annoyance as they turn 1 minute maps into like 1 minute 20s maps
shy furnace
when there are walls you just stand by ailith and aoe stuff as they come
full kraken
when there are walls you just stand by ailith and aoe stuff as they come
actually doing breach wall encounters
lol
shy furnace
maybe u quit first week before they made them all explode
spice pecan
when there are walls you just stand by ailith and aoe stuff as they come
you lose the vast majority of the mobs in the breach because they get stuck
full kraken
maybe u quit first week before they made them all explode
no, I did not
even with the explosion "fix" they continue to physically block you til the animation finishes
spice pecan
so you either run around and clear all the walls and THEN sit there for a wave defense, or you skip the breach and the walls still fuck with your movement/other league mechanics
spice pecan
i feel like people defending walls literally never did the wave defense breach lol
or have no idea how it works
full kraken
maybe u have 500ms
closer to +800% with some of my builds
golden moat
are foulborn uniques staying...
spice pecan
tree is staying, so i assume foulborns do too
golden moat
i hope claw isnt nerfed
opaque wing
are foulborn uniques staying...
Probably, otherwise Breach has no unique rewards to specifically play the content for.
golden moat
sad if they nerf this, want to try the acc stack jugg
tranquil geyser
sad if they nerf this, want to try the acc stack jugg
they will nerf the weight chance
not the stats themselves
civic charm
They gonna make it ever rarer
golden moat
not the stats themselves
hope so, they did nerf EE tho as well as weighting so
tranquil geyser
hope so, they did nerf EE tho as well as weighting so
remember that every league has a borrowed power. most likely Mirage related items will have that power
warm musk
Does this even work as intended? https://pobb.in/0XBtE1_waqcH
shy furnace
wonder if mercs will return
golden moat
remember that every league has a borrowed power. most likely Mirage related item...
maybe a new acc stack jugg item true, but claw is big for it
signal hawk
Mercs will return, as a Mirage, and they will do nothing
shy furnace
oh women won gold in hockey too
signal hawk
which women?
shy furnace
usa
shy furnace
did japanese chick fall or someting, how did allysa lui win
shy furnace
just need to be rich, and have money to ski all the time
errant flower
I had to google to see what that was
shy furnace
shes a cute white/chinese girl who won gold medal in figure skating
errant flower
no I meant men's giant slalom
shy furnace
skiing thing where u dodge poles
signal hawk
GGG Winter League when?
signal hawk
looks like Brazil won?
yeah first Brazil medal in winter olympics
trim sleet
i mean poe is good but d4 is a more complete Arpg
dapper parrot
xddchatting
signal hawk
i mean poe is good but d4 is a more complete Arpg
I gonna bite it, why?
tranquil geyser
are those letters in the circle?
ember goblet
are those letters in the circle?
IRAQ?????
ember goblet
IT SAYS IRAQ
peak heron
ember goblet
it is from the video
okay but it says IRAQ
coral summit
man, I wish scales of justice was actually playable
peak heron
OIL???? BLIGHT REWORK????
coral summit
it's legit 6% of the lower of life/mana added as fire
if it was like 20% then maybe a hybrid life/mana stacker would be playable
but its also really hard to scale both at once
pseudo axle
IRAQ LEAGUE
This just in, I'm told that respected bi-partisan Holden Bloodfeast is hosting his first Twitch party for the new league launch.
ember goblet
OIL???? BLIGHT REWORK????
the reason Johnathan isnt here is that hes on tour!!!! and like iraq is a desert so it fits with mirage
surreal musk
oil league
trim sleet
jonathan was a ranger iirc
trim sleet
dapper parrot
finite quail
can we finally get some shawarma
trim sleet
ember goblet
maybe Johnathan is gone because of ramadan?
finite quail
ai dogshit
dapper parrot
its real!
finite quail
trim sleet
surreal musk
jonathon gone cause he dont give 1 fuck about poe1
uneven compass
Bro what happened to items and currency tabs after migrate? Everything disappeared lol
uneven compass
Lol
finite quail
Bro what happened to items and currency tabs after migrate? Everything disappear...
goes to remove only tabs
shy furnace
they go to a hidden tab, u prob ha ve it set to hide
errant flower
Go to settings > uncheck "hide remove only tabs"
uneven compass
No it doesn’t they are gone
I already unchecked that
On forums you have more people having this happened
shy furnace
are you looking on stantard or league
wanton kernel
Nice migration complete, woot woot!!!
errant flower
Mine are fine, I had it hidden and was confused for a second as well
nimble bay
https://tenor.com/view/jonathan-rogers-poe-path-of-exile-ggg-poe-2-gif-144654198...
Is this real
peak heron
bodycam been off since POE 1
nimble bay
bodycam been off since POE 1
Did this actually happened
peak heron
YES
nimble bay
Lol damn
trim sleet
all true moonFace
he is what you call a 'gun specialist'
in NZ is kill or to be killed
ember goblet
jonathon gone cause he dont give 1 fuck about poe1
no its because hes in iraq
its even in the teaser
hybrid harness
ember goblet
@grok this is awesome
pseudo axle
jesus this REALLY got out of hand quickly
bold scarab
Oh hey I was gonna be good about it uwu
harsh flame
What if Jonathan is missing from the reveal because he's what we will see in the mirage.
Uber Jonathan pinnacle boss.
bold scarab
Jo is a prefix
harsh flame
Yes, now you're getting it
bold scarab
XD
bold scarab
Wait mirage league ... Mirage archer and dancing dervish rework incoming?
Imagine mirage league is just the mayhem event but for a full league
worldly bridge
uh oh im missing a single piece of lore for no stone unturned
do i just give up until next league
viral mantle
trim sleet
and chris willson released a video today,, meaning prob he is to make a return
maybe fighting with jonathan in a new unique map
ember goblet
@grok random bullshit go
spice pecan
the ai psychosis is real
ember goblet
scroll up
spice pecan
yes
harsh flint
im bald
final owl
big if true
worldly bridge
still sane exile
im sure i have the vaal side areas
so idk what im missing
afaik you cant brick this one like you can "all ears"
final owl
I'm either getting the achieves naturally via playing or I aint gettin em.
worldly bridge
you aint never gettin all ears naturally
final owl
or this one. I knows it
opaque wing
I mean, functionally brick no, practically brick, yes, as your current solution is to click all of them again.
worldly bridge
you can so easily lock yourself out of dialogue
yeah no stone is just tedious
if you miss one
but all ears?
you can literally brick it
final owl
Good thing I am not one of those people who feels the need to 100% achieves
worldly bridge
because some NPCs become unavailable if you do things in the wrong order and dont listen
back to act 1 yippeeeee
spice pecan
afaik you cant brick this one like you can "all ears"
i assum a5 courts can brick once they become the torched courts if there's anything in the pre-torched version that you need?
also the very first area of a5 before you get to town maybe, since you cant go back
opaque wing
Well you can have someone get you back into a5 zones
spice pecan
a5 pre-torched courts maybe, but not the zone before town
or maybe you can actually
but does that work for the achievement?
worldly bridge
i assum a5 courts can brick once they become the torched courts if there's anyth...
oh way sooner than that
act 1 even
as for world lore no
stray sedge
Its only 140??
stray sedge
Almost there
west pasture
uhm, all Phrecia 2.0 stuff (currency etc) is gone?
opaque wing
Do you have remove only tabs hidden?
bold scarab
I wish you could delete remove only tabs
I have some empty tabs that just clutter all the other remove only tabs
dapper parrot
or if they collapsed the remove only into like a folder
worldly bridge
if you group your tabs into a folder before migration the resulting tabs will be in a folder
someone in vc told me that th eother day
bold scarab
Well the point is also to seperate the empty remove onlys from the ones that still have stuff in them
west pasture
Do you have remove only tabs hidden?
I unticked it, still not seeing Phrecia tabs
worldly bridge
if a tab is empty it will not appear as remove only
as there is nothing to remove, and is thus pointless
bold scarab
If I empty it personally it does
worldly bridge
just relog
coral summit
huuuuh.
worldly bridge
it goes way when you log
finite quail
uhm, all Phrecia 2.0 stuff (currency etc) is gone?
trasnferred to keepers
ascendancies are gone though
coral summit
thoughts on using a micro-distillery belt with 4flasks+1 tincture over a stygian vise?
finite quail
so are idols
worldly bridge
doesnt update in "real time"
bold scarab
it goes way when you log
Oh I didn't check kek
coral summit
30% increased effect on progenesis+bottled faith seems pretty good
finite quail
thoughts on using a micro-distillery belt with 4flasks+1 tincture over a stygian...
I don't see the point if you're not stacking flask effect
Through other sources other than just a belt
spice pecan
was phrecia supposed to auto migrate or do i have to clean my keepers heist locker and shit before migrating
finite quail
was phrecia supposed to auto migrate or do i have to clean my keepers heist lock...
contracts are moved to remove only tabs
spice pecan
interesting
finite quail
And it does auto migrate afaik
spice pecan
when i migrated ssf to trade in 3.26, it overwrote my heist/expedition/etc lockers
west pasture
Faustus shop - all gone, all tabs (incl Currency) - all gone
character was migrated but anything from Stash and tabs is missing
opaque wing
I unticked it, still not seeing Phrecia tabs
Then I suspect you're still waiting for the migration, or you have to press the manual migration on the character menu.
finite quail
Imma check my acc
west pasture
Then I suspect you're still waiting for the migration, or you have to press the ...
I migrated the character, it's in Keepers league, I log in - all stuff is missing (only my OG Keepers stuff is there, nothing from Phrecia)
finite quail
Oh
coral summit
how do ppl even craft funni stygian vises anyways, just pristine+prismatic fossils?
finite quail
Looks like it doesnt auto migrate
finite quail
how do ppl even craft funni stygian vises anyways, just pristine+prismatic fossi...
Usually yeah
coral summit
i saw a 30sec that also recommends sanctified but those seem
very expensive
and also I would want chaos res which means I can't use prismatic
would have to do like, abberant+pristine
west pasture
anyone else is missing Phrecia stuff after migration?
worldly bridge
and im free (for now)
finite quail
anyone else is missing Phrecia stuff after migration?
I'm not missing anything
Don't forget to enable remove only tabs showing up bro
peak ore
is it the bottom middle node?
finite quail
ember goblet
is it the bottom middle node?
yes
peak ore
thx
lucid gale
If you have migrated each character from a league rather than "migrate all", the >> button on the character select screen lets you migrate the league state.
worldly bridge
i was missing a vaal side area!
it happened to show up while i was doing sceptre of god again
and i was like, lemme just check this to make sure
i remain sane 😌
finite quail
i remain sane 😌
ember goblet
https://tenor.com/view/are-you-insane-poe-insane-insane-poe-gif-1582208904246138...
Are you shocked? ✅
worldly bridge
does anyone have a conduit character in standard to get me 15 charges
spice pecan
why did hh go to 14d from 8d
its still 14d
change your awakened poe trade from phrecia to keepers
west pasture
Don't forget to enable remove only tabs showing up bro
it's not ticked, I am not seeing my Phrecia tabs 🙁
pliant hamlet
prophecy 2?
spice pecan
did you migrate all
livid quarry
finite quail
it's not ticked, I am not seeing my Phrecia tabs 🙁
finite quail
it's not ticked, I am not seeing my Phrecia tabs 🙁
migrate all of the characters
west pasture
ah, that did it
dreamy charm
yall think next league will be prophecies 2.0?
tawdry karma
void stones disappear after migration?
pliant hamlet
talk to kirac
pliant hamlet
yall think next league will be prophecies 2.0?
haha that's the first thing i said
tight plinth
what was the league mechanic in prophecies?
pliant hamlet
pay coin, get mechanic in an area
tight plinth
i know the prophecies from navani before
pliant hamlet
You can hold up to 5 prophecies iirc
tight plinth
i dont quite understand, so like the map device ones?
pliant hamlet
Map device didn't exist but
thick goblet
yall think next league will be prophecies 2.0?
yeah that's my guess, i hope they just straight up copy last epoch's prophecy system ngl
pliant hamlet
For example, you'd get a coin that says something like "Rain of Frogs are coming" or something, you'd go into an area
and then you'd have a ton of frogs everywhere
final owl
so this will have some equivalent of "rain of divs is coming"?
pliant hamlet
I'm not sure, but the endgame ones were the pale council bosses
Some of them were super annoying to spawn so you could easily get all 5 of your slots locked out
and just not have a league mechanic for a few hours lol
pliant hamlet
the tempest circle ones are one of them yeah?
here's the list
This is where we got prophecy uniques, too. Like doomfletch -> doomfletch prism
finite quail
prophecy was such a shit league ngl
lucid gale
The best thing about Prophecies was when you accidentally used an expensive crafting one.
pliant hamlet
Lol yeah
lucid gale
This is where we got prophecy uniques, too. Like doomfletch -> doomfletch prism
"Fated"
pliant hamlet
yeaaah fated uniques
I actually really liked that mechanic
I wish we didn't lose it 
It had a lot of flavor
tight plinth
i was around when fated uniques was still a thing
lucid gale
A bit of an annoyance to know which 1c uniques actually had value when you found them, but otherwise cool indeed; breathing new life into old things.
silent leaf
i was around when fated uniques was still a thing
same
i really kinda wish one of the fated uniques stayed
pliant hamlet
Eh, flavor comes with annoyance, just an acceptable tax imo
tight plinth
i really liked fated uniques tbh
finite quail
Fated uniques are basically half replicas
pliant hamlet
I liked the prophecies in theory, and I kinda wish we had a map mod that was like
"Your maps are fated" and it picked a random prophecy every map
but boy did the prophecy mechanic suck lol
Nothing like sitting at navali for 2 hours rolling all your silver coins
silent leaf
"Johnathon"
tight plinth
i wonder if frostferno would be good for current poe 
pliant hamlet
i wonder if frostferno would be good for current poe <:marauderthinking:28003258...
frostferno was the most overpowered early game item for the entire time it was in the game
elemental hit exists
post-buff, it always found a home
finite quail
frostferno was the most overpowered early game item for the entire time it was i...
early game how
it was level 60
pliant hamlet
it was a 1c unique
tight plinth
was it?
pliant hamlet
if you made it yourself it was
pliant hamlet
I know because I made ele hit totems every league lol
worldly bridge
so
tight plinth
i made 2 ele hit toons with frostferno, i liked those toons
worldly bridge
all i have left is the hardcore challenges (leveling to 100 and also lab), aul, all ears, 15 charges, 9 zombies, and CAPTURE THE FLAG
tight plinth
6 link for clear, 4 link on helm for single target
pliant hamlet
it wasn't uncommon to buy a +6 frostferno for under 2 or 3 exalts
tight plinth
oh that would go crazy now with mfa or totems
worldly bridge
oh i als0o need to farm for onigoroshi on the beach
tight plinth
oh i als0o need to farm for onigoroshi on the beach
done that, wasnt worth it 
pliant hamlet
did it twice. first time was fine, 2nd time was AWFUL
tight plinth
oh gl then
pliant hamlet
You'll get like 9ish uniques before seeing onigoroshi
worldly bridge
o
pliant hamlet
Lol I really liked coc, so I did that a lot too
pliant hamlet
Pretty much
pliant hamlet
glgl
tight plinth
it probably wouldnt be as bad as you think it is
pliant hamlet
inb4 first kill
Also if you're not planning to quit soon
you'll get it eventually
tight plinth
is scion still the go to character?
lucid gale
Nothing like sitting at navali for 2 hours rolling all your silver coins
I hear her voice in my head reading this.
pliant hamlet
LOL
tight plinth
wouldnt ranger be better with momentum support?
pliant hamlet
ENGRAINED
lucid gale
What is the one!?
pliant hamlet
I've honestly played with my game muted
since that league
because of that league
silent leaf
I've honestly played with my game muted
~~ who doesnt~~
cobalt blade
wouldnt ranger be better with momentum support?
scion destroys hillock faster
spec throw be broken
worldly bridge
oh my fucking god
tight plinth
lmao
worldly bridge
honestly the luck has been kinda crazy tn
i got the vaal side areas done in like 5 hours
for no stone undturned
tight plinth
i dont think its that rare to get a unique at beach
pliant hamlet
it really isn't
pliant hamlet
you'll get like 1-2 /hr farming it
lucid gale
I both dev and play with sound - but my builds tend to be less bananas than most.
cobalt blade
same but 3-4k hours
worldly bridge
so now i save this helmet
cobalt blade
tho only 2-4 characters a league so dont spend much time on the beach
spice pecan
~~ who doesnt~~
i'm the type of autistic where i absolutely have to hear game sounds otherwise everything goes to shit
silent leaf
spice pecan
i can't play games with other music on
spice pecan
yeah i can't do that anymore
spice pecan
i generally have a youtube video going but that's a bit different for some reason
cobalt blade
i leave it on ontop of whatever music is in whatever streams open
pliant hamlet
if you don't care if the character's functional
worldly bridge
i do not
pliant hamlet
just equip baron and a ton of str gear
tight plinth
so i guess i roll a necro and try to get 9 zombies tn
monarch helm thingy and you good i think
final owl
yeah I need game sounds. I can't be playing silent games.
cobalt blade
you can also use enhance/ashes for more
pliant hamlet
or 2x midnight bargains
lv 20 is 6 + monarch is 12 with just 2 items lol
how many zombies can you get now...
cobalt blade
technically 200 if you use raise zombies of falling and break it so they dont die on the fall
i cant remember the method to do that but i know its doable
finite quail
What is the one!?
Five for one. But what is the one?!?
pliant hamlet
sounds right
cobalt blade
you just grab some char in standard and do it
pliant hamlet
actually you just need a level 11 gem lol
I wonder who owns the bugged queen's decree
tight plinth
whats the bug on it?
pliant hamlet
I wonder if GGG tracks bugged items in standard at all
cobalt blade
actually you just need a level 11 gem lol
level 1 +enhance+ ashes also works :3
lucid gale
Five for one. But what is the one?!?
Yep, that's the one. Completely forgot that was a distinct prophecy.
worldly bridge
level 20 gems are like 10 c on standard anyway
pliant hamlet
whats the bug on it?
+2250 raise zombies/skeletons/spectres
tight plinth
what in the fu...
finite quail
Yep, that's the one. Completely forgot that was a distinct prophecy.
That damn sound when the prophecy completes
tight plinth
do they work or is it just a visual bug?
finite quail
Can't ever forget that
tight plinth
lmao