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[finite quail]

I hated that

[tranquil umbra]

they will come with classes

[blissful zodiac]

whoops

[fossil mural]

shadow is like never getting launched ngl

[whole bluff]

Good enough to live the gamers dream, I think

[tranquil umbra]

?

[fossil mural]

having 2 weapon types and one of them is traps

[blissful zodiac]

@fossil mural

[finite quail]

bold of you to think shadow is going to be in 2

[dusty mesa]

yea its just dumb imo. It was a really weird move to release early access without at least somewhat of a base (I know they were heavily pressured influenced to release it fast though

[fossil mural]

I mean

2 more ascendancies

and the game will have like

400 skills

KEKL

[dusty mesa]

like this is repeated a ton around here, but the poinst stands: what arpg doesn't have swords on release

[blissful zodiac]

also fuck evasion all my homies hate evasion

[fossil mural]

ggg hate evasion too

[blissful zodiac]

we do ci around this ho

[surreal kite]

Wake up, Exile

[whole bluff]

For the record, I don't agree with all of Marks points. But my guess is he is a having a big positive impact on both games

[fossil mural]

does anyone even play traps in poe

1

[pulsar dune]

yea

[blissful zodiac]

unless for bossing

[fossil mural]

like what was the last time it was at least semi popular

[blissful zodiac]

no

[tranquil umbra]

Fire Trap RF

[finite quail]

rarely but yeah

[fossil mural]

tru

[dusty mesa]

ice trap occy is still semi popular

[normal hedge]

true

[blissful zodiac]

@tranquil umbra didnt they nerf fire trap

[finite quail]

Traps are quite mid though, except for maybe bossing

[blissful zodiac]

its like

[tranquil umbra]

they still use it

[stable hawk]

explosive trap was/is decent ithink

[normal hedge]

yes but they dont mind if they take 5 min to kill a map boss

[pulsar dune]

oneshotting bosses with ice trap, early game bossing with sunblast memes on explo

[blissful zodiac]

why the fuck would you use traps

[fossil mural]

its a mindboggling skill type to make feel good in a game like poe

[pulsar dune]

sunblast

[blissful zodiac]

when you can use mines

[fossil mural]

at least mines you manually detonate

[blissful zodiac]

double damage mines are fun as hell

@fossil mural not anymore

[finite quail]

The only way to make it feel good is to make it punchy

[normal hedge]

?

[blissful zodiac]

cause u got automation

[fossil mural]

yes

[finite quail]

!

[fossil mural]

thats manually

detonating

[normal hedge]

thats deffo not manually

[fossil mural]

you dont wait for the dude to step on it

[finite quail]

No, automation is literally automatic detonation

[tranquil umbra]

I'm fairly certain they will add mines to poe2 at the same time because not doing so would be fucking stupid

[finite quail]

Manual detonation is pressing the detonate mins button yourself

[normal hedge]

manually = press D

[fossil mural]

mines are confirmed to not exist

in poe2 lore

[blissful zodiac]

you really on manually detonate mines anymore unless you need some burst dps

[fossil mural]

[tranquil umbra]

ah right we don't have mines but we have guns

[fossil mural]

bruh you all know what I am saying

[fossil mural]

xbows that work like guns

[blissful zodiac]

that poe 2 still needs more time in the kitchen

[fossil mural]

excuse you

[blissful zodiac]

otherwise it can be fun

[tranquil umbra]

mfing grenade launchers

[dusty mesa]

for the record, spears are fun af

[blissful zodiac]

until u get to endgame blah blah we already know the rest

[fossil mural]

😂

[blissful zodiac]

beating a dead horse shitting on poe 2 atp ngl

actually not even that

pulling a whole ass kid buu on poe 2

[fossil mural]

no swords shit gaem

[blissful zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/personally-i-wouldnt-have-that-i-wouldnt-let-that-slide-let-that-slide-kid-buu-menace-gif-26077684

[fossil mural]

btw poe1 2d art for swords is fucking

who made it

[pulsar dune]

yea, it's kinda rough ngl

[blissful zodiac]

listen

you cant lie

experimental 1 handed sword base art goes hard

[dusty mesa]

they need to take notes from terraria calamity mod

[blissful zodiac]

2 handed one is ugly tho

[fossil mural]

tbh

actually

infernal swords

is so ugly

or like lion sword

[dusty mesa]

where's my ark of the ancients in poe

[fossil mural]

vaal actually looks good

[blissful zodiac]

poe 2 lighting strike when salty

[fossil mural]

we already had an ls meta

it deleted frenzy charges from the game

idk what the next one will do

[dusty mesa]

this makes me think of how they purposely added TS in poe2 and completely changed the skill to say "its not returning"

and it was really brutal to me ngl

[tranquil umbra]

what is ts

[fossil mural]

ts?

[tranquil umbra]

tornado shot?

[dusty mesa]

tornado shot

[tranquil umbra]

yeah that's on you for playing ts in big 2026

[dusty mesa]

I haven't played TS in 2026 or 2025

[normal hedge]

still the best bow skill

[dusty mesa]

I am considering it though

[tranquil umbra]

no that's kinetic ra-

[normal hedge]

thats a wand attack

[fossil mural]

kinetic rain will be a spell in poe2

PAG

[dusty mesa]

I'm so mad they made KR and said "hey this is gonna suck when it comes out btw"

[split maple]

Anyone got some minimum viable pob for ts?

[dusty mesa]

I was actually so hyped for that skill

[split maple]

Like lets say some iir and can do t17 level of viable

[fossil mural]

why does it have a delay AND zdps

[dusty mesa]

ironically your best bet is going to be omni and I don't like saying that

[normal hedge]

prog, hh, +2 proj phys bow, +1 quiver

[dusty mesa]

it looks so cool too

[normal hedge]

99% convert + ff/ff oath of spring

[fossil mural]

also +1 proj corruption

[split maple]

Yea someone in ssf global is doing some low Life omni

Looks coolio

[pulsar dune]

probably strstack with widowhail spinehail

well, idk actually

[fossil mural]

I want omni back

it was so simple

[brazen vector]

[dusty mesa]

I was working on a meme with the fire pen ring

[modern zinc]

I'm working on a lifestacking inquisitor build

[pulsar dune]

+2 arrow bow is really really expensive, spinehail is pretty okay

tho in SSF probably still kinda annoying

[tranquil umbra]

ngl I really want to play a build with starcaller

[dusty mesa]

TS's most annoying problem? Attack speed

[karmic gust]

issue with TS is that there is no chance you are getting any defense on it so you just die to t17 mods

[dusty mesa]

TS's actual problem? You aren't getting a secondary proj anymore

[brazen vector]

yea

[pulsar dune]

yea, there is no global source of intstack flat

[sour wadi]

you need beyond oppressive screen clear

and you still die lol

[pulsar dune]

so intstack ts is just way too expensive

[sour wadi]

intstack anything

[dusty mesa]

I've never heard of someone int stacking TS

[karmic gust]

ppl did it with synth bow before

[pulsar dune]

I've seen some POBs

[dusty mesa]

that sounds wild

but I'd do it

[karmic gust]

its not very good

[split maple]

this looked hella interesting to me, idk if he has any loadout by ts on poeninja since he swaps gems daily almost 😄 https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepersssf/character/dezzle_mane-6141/rippp_bowzo?i=0&search=name%3Dbow&timemachine=week-12

[sour wadi]

they should make replica oskarn only make it crit multi and not crit chance. and make it super rare

[finite quail]

the glorpmaster

[pulsar dune]

what else could work, manastack ts with weaponswapping to manastorm on ocasion

[sour wadi]

someone win a race for me and submit that idea

[pulsar dune]

but that doesn't really fix defenses

[dusty mesa]

you probably just do zdps and play slayer TS or something

[pulsar dune]

TS kinda needs deadeye to even get clear, no?

[crisp obsidian]

It oneshots ubers

[dusty mesa]

it definitely wants the +2 proj

[dusty mesa]

that's wild

[dusty mesa]

but also, you probably just solve clear with awa fork

[pulsar dune]

fair fair

a bit high budget, but that'd also work

[dusty mesa]

so instantly +20d budget to start

[pulsar dune]

oh it's just 20

should've bought it smh

[dusty mesa]

depends on the league

[finite quail]

solve it with the awa awa awa

[dusty mesa]

I think I paid 25 for mine

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/owaowa-gif-20047218

[finite quail]

that's not a oneshot

[crisp obsidian]

And you aren't a shaman

[finite quail]

Correct since phrecia is over

[tranquil sedge]

fight fight fight 🍿

[finite quail]

We are both right

[normal hedge]

incorrect since phrecia isnt over yet

[finite quail]

[finite quail]

yeah but I won't get to play it for the rest of today

[crisp obsidian]

It is not yet you still aren't one

[finite quail]

So phrecia is over for me

So not a shaman anymore

[crisp obsidian]

Never were

[modern zinc]

without Kaom's Heart or The Apostate, it seems that the max life you can get is around 12k

[dusty mesa]

Like if I didn't need an attack speed cluster to make TS feel playable again, I'd probably league start it

it has me over here considering a thicket bow

I guess I could berserker TS

[crisp obsidian]

atleast 28k

[signal hawk]

God I feel like the patch notes are going be real small this next league

[crisp obsidian]

nvm 24k

[pulsar dune]

what's the most life a character can get in town?

[modern zinc]

with blood magic maybe

[crisp obsidian]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Scythi-1350/Teg_Keepers

[modern zinc]

I'm not gonna copy these people because they're strength stackers

I want a more normal gameplay

[crisp obsidian]

huhhh

what is normal gameplay

[modern zinc]

rory shit

[steel light]

pain and suffering

[modern zinc]

not having mirror tier gear

[modern zinc]

not even strength stacking either

I am wholly impressed

[crisp obsidian]

what do you count as mirror tier

cause mirror tier gear for me is gear that would be worth mirroring

[modern zinc]

sht like this

[crisp obsidian]

that's not mirror tier

[modern zinc]

every mod is high value and fits in the build

how is that not mirror

[brazen vector]

@split maple how do people even look for vaal side areas with the atlas, the 16% chance for one is like VERY low :(

[modern zinc]

can't you just put a vaal fragment in the map device

and it'll spawn a vaal side zone

[normal hedge]

not even 30% qual

[coral summit]

mirror tier items are specifically ones that are universally bis or very close to actually bis for a popular build

[brazen vector]

wont work for lucid dreams

[modern zinc]

rip

[umbral crag]

Hows that mirror tier tf

[crisp obsidian]

not high qual, not high tier base, not a hard craft

[coral summit]

only 20q, most builds don't use flat max life, resists usually get solved via other means and unless a mod isnt obtainable otherwise like % attribute craft on chest

and it's a low lv base

so you'd need to start from 30q sacred chainmail on armour/es base

[modern zinc]

not a hard craft wtf

[karmic gust]

the aoe is essence mod btw? first time i see it

[coral summit]

and not just go for triple t1 vanilla prefixes

[modern zinc]

I could play a whole league and not see a piece like that

[umbral crag]

Thats a you thing kek

[modern zinc]

you guys are on another level

[pulsar dune]

is the %life mod obtainable on normal items

[crisp obsidian]

yeah

[coral summit]

i promise you its not that bad

[crisp obsidian]

hysteria

[umbral crag]

That doesn't cost more than like 20-40div tops to craft at best

[pulsar dune]

the implicits are more than that alone P sure

[crisp obsidian]

the craft? yes

[pulsar dune]

the veiled mod it's diluted from

[karmic gust]

if i knew i would've put it on ele hit smh

[coral summit]

straight up the most expensive stuff about that item is the double t5 implicits

[umbral crag]

Mirror tier as specifically things you mirror with mirror of kalandra coz its impossible for normal mortals to craft. A mirror is usually 500-1000d. A 40d armour does NOT qualify for mirror tier lmao

[karmic gust]

actually thats prefix right

[pulsar dune]

idk if it's unique-only, not a betrayal mod at all etc

[coral summit]

mirror tier items are things that legit cost on average 4-5 mirrors to make

[crisp obsidian]

suffix

[karmic gust]

oh pog

[tranquil sedge]

it doesnt have to cost any specific amount

[coral summit]

it wasnt meant as a hard qualifier

[crisp obsidian]

see it's not that we are on diff level, it just means you have lots of stuff to learn(which is always nice and good!)

[modern zinc]

ok what about this

[coral summit]

just as an example and it doesnt go into stuff like bases

[modern zinc]

this item is literally mirrored

it's for RF's fire trap

[pulsar dune]

triple elevated lmao

[coral summit]

that is mirrored because it's triple elevated

[modern zinc]

this is mirror tier right?

[pulsar dune]

yea that's mirror tier

[crisp obsidian]

yeah that's a triple elevated helmet

[modern zinc]

alr thank god i'm not that blind

[coral summit]

triple elevated items have rng HELL involved

[tranquil sedge]

to call something 'mirror-tier', it just has to be more than 1 mirror to craft on average, or at lesat annoying/difficult enough that even if it costs less than 1 mirror people will still copy it

[pulsar dune]

tho I think the max life is the annoying bit here

[karmic gust]

big

[coral summit]

especially since you cant just smash them together

[tranquil sedge]

yea just mirror this from someone else who makes it

[dusty mesa]

so yea that's definitely mirrored, but also just this isn't an "always correct" statement. Items can drop mirrored

[finite quail]

beeeeg

[pulsar dune]

I don't think anyone has ever used a dropped mirrored item

[tranquil sedge]

if it looks fancy and it has a mirrored tag and the rest of the pob doesn't look cheap
good chance it was a copied item lol

[crisp obsidian]

how much of a difference did it make

[pulsar dune]

outside of mist

[karmic gust]

0.2 radius

[crisp obsidian]

sheeeesh

[karmic gust]

from 4.1 to 4.3

[dusty mesa]

I have a couple times early because I farm strongboxes a good bit

[coral summit]

you can have shit like this that's expensive to make but still not mirror tier

belt slot not being a good example

[dusty mesa]

but yea, that one is obviously a mirrored helm lol

[coral summit]

because mageblood exists

[tawdry olive]

... ive put on some nasty shit before

[dusty mesa]

this isn't that expensive to make btw

[crisp obsidian]

I have, a pair of boots with really good stats(perfect for me back then) and sockets so I just sold the real one for more

[dusty mesa]

like 4d max

[karmic gust]

stygian in 2026 holy

[coral summit]

the expensive part is specifically the req of veiled attributes

[umbral crag]

Normal phreci things kek

[coral summit]

and that's because of niche stupid bullshit im doing

[crisp obsidian]

is this even that expensive

[split maple]

get that map/h up up up

[coral summit]

where it actually needs that last 10 of both

[split maple]

tho this league i didnt get adorned side area not even once

[coral summit]

and still wants life cata instead of attributes

[crisp obsidian]

oh it's veiled

nvm

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

its not cheap but its not mirror tier ye

[dusty mesa]

fossil craft elder or hunter stygian and boom

[coral summit]

you can fossil craft it and get like 90% of the way there

[umbral crag]

The ppl doing the alva beyond strat, what kinda map are yall even looking for? Scarabs? Currency? Pack size?

[coral summit]

UNFORTUNATELY I am doing a build with leadership's price and paths to basically no int nodes otherwise

so I need literally all of my int off 3 rare items xdd

and still need some dex.

[brazen vector]

[frigid wedge]

alesia chill

[coral summit]

(i could sack two small life nodes for 20 dex/int but that would be not taking life nodes on a build with grey wind and is thus heresy, despite it also making it easier to accuracy cap xddd)

[brazen vector]

no chill here :<

[brazen vector]

THE FLESH DEMANDS

[frigid wedge]

damn why

[crisp obsidian]

just lower your str and int requirements ez

[errant hatch]

Excuse my ignorance, but this, orb of transmute, regal, slam with exalts hoping I get lucky? (ssf standard on T10 maps)

[coral summit]

unfortunately the int requirements can only get 4 lower

at most

more than that and it loses 90 max lightning res :>

[crisp obsidian]

why

[brazen vector]

dms

[coral summit]

purity of lightning

i think level 19>20 is 1 max res?

yep

[crisp obsidian]

just get a +1 somewhere

[coral summit]

its not that starved for jewel suffix space mind at the end mind you, but early in the builds life it would be

cuz it still has to take random tree shit

instead of clusters

[brazen vector]

I noticed today that my movement skill has enough dps to clear the maps on my relic of the pact character

[coral summit]

and str requirement cant go below 159

thats the actual gate

just off gems

so having to match the 2 for leaderships is basically alr there since dex doesnt need to be above like 90

[crisp obsidian]

can I see this pob

[coral summit]

hang on

lemme go grab an earlier version of it instead of the goofy current one i have

it was the font of thunder/fourth vow thing i was working on yesterday if u were around for that

[crisp obsidian]

nah I wasn't

[coral summit]

ah

ok hang on then

https://pobb.in/toxMS1Yr6Kcj this one is an earlier version of it that wasnt super optimized/going into goofy item corrupts or w/e
https://pobb.in/lhpxpD3iKDaD this one is a dumb version of it that tries to optimize more and gets into "spending money for fun instead of on a way better build" territory

[grizzled lily]

okay

so

blazing salvo hierophant

how bas does rhat sound

i think its p neat

[coral summit]

the first one also i discovered cant rly craft the manifold ring with two essence mods because I discovered wed on rings is super low weighting and if you want it specifically you have to fracture it xdd

[split maple]

okay thats ridiculus

hive can clear alvas itself

[coral summit]

whats the plan to scale it, self-cast archmage?

cuz bs isn't bad, it's just kinda awkward to do without coc early on

for scaling raw speed

[frigid wedge]

hive can do everything that requires solely explosions

[coral summit]

...unironically since herald of the hive asks you to inflict ailments

would leadership's price be a not terrible idea

or do they ask for a different amulet already

OH it can't inflict ailments itself

rip

[crisp obsidian]

https://pobb.in/Q-gtw-LY2VBv there it's fixed, you can even drop some accuracy now!

[grizzled lily]

yea

[peak heron]

slams are always fun

[crisp obsidian]

no

[grizzled lily]

theyre comfortable

[coral summit]

lmao yeah i was wondering looking at that if the answer was just drop 2 smalls for that dex/int node

[crisp obsidian]

it for sure is

lmao

[coral summit]

it makes acc rolls easier too

[crisp obsidian]

and gives you %ms

which you desperately need

[steady elk]

I try a gorillion builds every league just to go back to some kind of melee jugg/berz

[coral summit]

yeah to be fair that build was not trying to build specifically to be a giga map blaster

it had an original build premise which kinda spiraled from there

[crisp obsidian]

yeah but even if you aint blasting maps you want to have some speed

having only 30% w/o qs is oof

[coral summit]

"how to not instantly die to div scarab of plenty mobs" which do phys/lightning/chaos

i mean normally I would have just leap slam/faster attacked

to not have to care that much cuz zerker could NORMALLY do that

but grey wind is a 1.3aps weapon

and unfortunately theres not really a way to get a better 1h weapon than that

or at least i couldn't figure out a way to scale a better rare 1h axe

and most other unique 1h axes are... not great

[tight plinth]

i can smell teasers incoming

https://tenor.com/view/catsniff-catsmell-smell-cat-gif-25675708

[crisp obsidian]

yeah poe2 teasers

hf

[coral summit]

I think the problem I run into if I'm actually able to drop accuracy from a ring or glove is like

what do you even do with that suffix space

[signal hawk]

do teasers exist?

[crisp obsidian]

abyss jewel

you can get completey rid of the accuracy on it

[signal hawk]

will GGG add anything new to the game?

[coral summit]

because the build doesn't actually need suffix space but does need gem sockets

really

really badly

o true

[signal hawk]

3.28: Actually just standard league

3.28: Desert League, you will have to dig the sand to find drops (there is none)

[crisp obsidian]

3.28: Desert League, you will have to dig the sand to find teasers (there is none)

fixed it for ya

[coral summit]

ig theres not much to replace suffixes with on other than like, crit multi on kill recently for tougher maps/overcapping lightning res more

or chaos res

[crisp obsidian]

you just need to find the next stat you can replace

[coral summit]

but going out of the way to proof it against red altars seems like a very large task that can be solved by just leaving the -chaos res altars alone lol

[crisp obsidian]

and keep replacing forever

that's how you get into the pob loop

[coral summit]

thats how i ended up with megalo

the funny thing i actually found that exact megalo on trade and there's a few other variations of it with born of chaos that i'd use

(brb 1s)

but yeah 2 mod megalos arent hard to find, just finding one with a useful 3rd mod that gets into "have a live search ready to go" territory

and praying nobody else is also on the market for the same kind of thing

and to be fair, i don't think that many builds use divine flesh anymore that also wouldn't try to find a way to run everlasting sacrifice to just get 5 max chaos res from there

lord knows if it wasn't sacking 40% more damage or huntleader i'd consider that

[fossil mural]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-air-quotes-gif-18226933

[coral summit]

i cant tell what part of the sentence that's a response to lol

[frigid wedge]

herald stacker

:3

[coral summit]

cuz at least for me the big mod is born of chaos>second mod is either fettle or gladiator's fortitude

and finding one or the other combo on just 2 mod for those isnt usually that in demand

it's trying to fish for born of chaos with both of those or prismatic carapace/mob mentality/warning call

actually prio would be mob mentality+born of chaos first

finding a good life notable after that is what's way way harder

[bronze falcon]

I gots dog boogers on my glasses 🙁

[tight plinth]

i gots glasses on my boogers 😥

[peak heron]

i glass boogers on my dog 🥀

[crisp obsidian]

Why

[bronze falcon]

Dog kisses

This is the perpetrator

[modern zinc]

what a cute little dog

[frigid wedge]

dawg

[fossil mural]

dogs eww

[tight plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-wtf-gif-21288373

[past mantle]

Do you have one good take?

[frigid wedge]

what would you prefer

[fossil mural]

they belong to the streets back yard

[past mantle]

Or do you collect the bad ones like badges.

[frigid wedge]

suggest an alternative

[fossil mural]

a birb

[frigid wedge]

i probably have a picture of a bird but i have so many memes about being lonely or smth that its gonna take a while to find

[fossil mural]

not concerning at all

try therapy but whole

[frigid wedge]

has a shield bug

[frigid wedge]

wdym but whole

[bronze falcon]

try finger...

[frigid wedge]

nty

[tawdry olive]

try fracture but whole

[native abyss]

oh hell yeah

more dogs

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[bronze falcon]

Do you like dags?

[native abyss]

yeah that’s what i said dags

[icy zinc]

tree fiddy

[brazen vector]

good bye idolas

[tranquil hamlet]

now slap kulemak on it

[tranquil umbra]

two hours until teaser surely

[tranquil hamlet]

good, we get atlas rework anyway in this expansion

you didn't hear it from me though

[tranquil umbra]

mods

burn his oriath

[brazen vector]

to shreds you said?

[signal hawk]

I just want a new gem so I get baited into building arround it

[tranquil hamlet]

mods can't burn me

[tranquil hamlet]

there will be several new gems as well

we are back

[tranquil umbra]

the kinetic rain incident

[tranquil sedge]

best we can do is 5% increased cast speed for spells

[signal hawk]

I played with Kinect Rain until yellow maps btw

[crimson hearth]

i crafted this helm after like 20d

[tranquil sedge]

im just kidding
you're not getting even that

[signal hawk]

Then I opened Ziz channel and played Earthshatter

[crimson hearth]

problem with build tho

[normal hedge]

i tried it in one t17, it felt horrible

[tranquil sedge]

yea thats a settle/done moment for certain there

nice craft

[crimson hearth]

i needa change all my gear

[fossil mural]

did keepers add any new skills btw

I dont remember

[frigid wedge]

ye

[brazen vector]

yes

[tranquil umbra]

Kinetic Rain

[normal hedge]

conflagration, windburst, kr, kf

what else

[frigid wedge]

wall of force

[normal hedge]

something shell

[tranquil umbra]

also yeah KF was 3.27

[frigid wedge]

somatic shell

[brazen vector]

somatic shell

[tranquil sedge]

keepers patch notes sections about skill gem updates were actually good for once

[frigid wedge]

living lightning support

[fossil mural]

bruh I thought those were all old

[tranquil sedge]

like they actually did a lot of minor incremental buffs, and cast speed was given a pretty large buff too

if 3.28 keeps it up

[fossil mural]

except rain

[tranquil sedge]

that part at least may be promising

[frigid wedge]

nah

old ones were just bolt and blast

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-cute-cat-good-morning-gif-2439150466884791828

[tranquil umbra]

they are nuking KF in 3.28 because it was actually played sadly

[hard cliff]

I slept for 9 hours

[frigid wedge]

kf was kinda giga tho

so that's fair

[fossil mural]

wands are just going to get obliterated into nothingness

and be forgotten about again

[normal hedge]

wands are fine tbh

[tranquil umbra]

they are just going to delete wands actually

[split maple]

they should buff bows to wand levels

[fossil mural]

make all wand attacks spells

[tawdry olive]

they're gonna ctrl+f this very discord channel and nerf everything mentioned as good 😔

[split maple]

except stuff that is from:Esm surely

[normal hedge]

nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams nerf slams

[tranquil umbra]

wands deleted, all kinetic spells are now for bows

[fossil mural]

grok, give me a list of every skill #1┃general thinks are good

[normal hedge]

fire ball, rolling magma, blazing salvo

[coral summit]

tbh im fine with them nerfing earthshatter by like 25% as long as they also buff most other slams by like 30-40%

[fossil mural]

isnt rolling magma actually okay?

[coral summit]

(not sunder tho)

leave sunder alone, -25% on earthshatter, buff literally every other slam by 30-40%

[tranquil umbra]

revert the vfos nerf

life good

[fossil mural]

also blazing salvo has playrate higher than 0.0% on ninja - therefore good

[tawdry olive]

they're probably gonna nerf it, and either autoexertion or overexertion for no reason just to be thorough, thereby cancelling out whatever meager buffs they give to the other slams

[coral summit]

overexertion doesnt even need nerfs

its a playstyle most people find tedious as shit

past like day 3

unless you stick all 5 warcries on autoexert which is 75% reservation

[fossil mural]

self buff buttons have to be the worst shit to press

in an arpg

[split maple]

wdym only 5 😄

[fossil mural]

and then you still have to self cast like 2

[split maple]

but yea reduce mana cost on zero and you only self cast ralying

you drop enduring once you get med clusters

[coral summit]

i mean if you use generals cry

yeah

[tranquil umbra]

who tf

[split maple]

i dont

[signal hawk]

I just don't want to play a dot build

[fossil mural]

its a week till stream right

[coral summit]

but i dont use it cuz too much socket/mana reservation

[split maple]

herald of purity for ralying

[tawdry olive]

they can do a really funny and make warcries 20 mana with autoexert instead of 10, thereby forcing triple elreons

[split maple]

general autoexert just for earthshateer spikes

since low cdr

[coral summit]

i've been playing with 3 selfcast for awhile

[tranquil umbra]

yeah herald of purity is great with rallying

[coral summit]

and it's fine

you can drop herald of purity for huntleader

on farruls bloodline

[split maple]

ooh thats smart

i just slaped breachlord -phys on mine

[coral summit]

it also usually pushes your aps high enough that it's not good damage to take rite of ruin/crave the slaughter

[tranquil umbra]

isn't that on crit

[coral summit]

it is yeah

[tranquil umbra]

crit on slama

[coral summit]

you self-cast battlemages cry and get like

one runegraft of the warp

[tranquil umbra]

miss me with that shit

[coral summit]

and you usually run out of exerts by the time you run out of duration on it

[gritty epoch]

i dont mind buttons or whatever but designing such that u have to basically "pick these mandatory wheels here", only one way to play slams then redesign an entire ascendency on slam

[tawdry olive]

if you do hits cant be evaded on your weapon and can scale crit, it actually becomes pretty good

[ocean field]

assuming your build is immortal what is the best way to earn exp??

[tranquil umbra]

if I have to manual cast any warcry other than rallying I am ending it

[normal hedge]

nerf earthshatter and buff tec slam of cataclysm

[coral summit]

legit if you're playing a half decent slammer you only need to recast warcries like

once every 3-4 screens

if even that

[crimson hearth]

guys can i poste my pob and you tell me what to change i got the endgame helm , i have cogwork and lost unity but cant equip cuz attribute problem needa redo the whole build bassicly

[normal hedge]

sure

[fossil mural]

I am sure you dont need to redo the whole build

[tight plinth]

buff glacial hammer

[opal ingot]

Lost unity?

[fossil mural]

to fix attributes

[tawdry olive]

spam breaches bab-- oh wait....

[opal ingot]

Oh nvm

[coral summit]

still spam breaches

[crimson hearth]

wait nvm i js had to remove old bv

[coral summit]

we'll probably be able to get multiple breaches in a map in the future

[fossil mural]

lmao

[ocean field]

I am on standard btw

[normal hedge]

bugged alva

[ocean field]

so got the old breached

[opal ingot]

I thought you lost your unity xd

[coral summit]

im betting we'll have like

[ocean field]

??

[coral summit]

hive breaches cannot spawn>up to X unstable breaches can spawn

for old breach enjoyers

[normal hedge]

2x evolving shrines = 25% per map at lv 98

[ocean field]

whatttttt

[coral summit]

and for weirdos who want to do hive breaches

[ocean field]

how

[normal hedge]

check fubgun's video

[coral summit]

unstable breaches can spawn>x% more monster density in hive breaches

[ocean field]

ok still working??

[normal hedge]

yup

[ocean field]

thanks

[normal hedge]

after grabbing 2 evolving shrines dont kill any monster til you start alva
otherwise it wont work

[fossil mural]

you need not density, density in hives is already basically a mob on every spawn tile

its the wave frequency

that sucks

[coral summit]

so faster wave frequency?

[fossil mural]

add a scarab that spawns all waves at once LULE

[normal hedge]

it needs something like ritual where they spawn instantly

[fossil mural]

or make them way faster

they spawn almost offscreen

[coral summit]

it really depends on the tileset too

[fossil mural]

and then take a buisness day to run to you

[opal ingot]

Man I still can't believe I made the shittiest transition to another build and It paid off

[fossil mural]

you mean walls

[coral summit]

cuz since we can choose to spec into it you can just run it on like, dunes/canyon/whatever

[fossil mural]

ACTUALLY

yea

add full wall destruction

[coral summit]

and it usually would spawn the purple dots close

[fossil mural]

on hives too

[coral summit]

so you hit one and it deletes like half the walls nearby

[tranquil umbra]

I think they should make it so unstable breaches spawn indestructible walls as they expand

[fossil mural]

they spawn off screen

so you need to clear all walls

not the ones close

[fossil mural]

and make them permanent

[tranquil umbra]

no

[coral summit]

i was running strands and usually it would spawn the purple dots close enough that you ping one and it clears like half the walls>ping next cluster and it was good enough

it's the stupid cells/dungeons/maze bullshit layouts

that it's fucking terrible to run them on

[ocean field]

btw I think they should add more challenging content which gives better rewards rn t17 is ok but realistcally it is pain in the ass to run. T16.5 was good so something similar or just increase risk scarab count to 3

[fossil mural]

and buff trickster so you can run all those risk scarabs? LUL

[ocean field]

yes

[tranquil umbra]

the most likely endgame change they will do is with t17s

[ocean field]

exactly that is the plan

[fossil mural]

they said t17s will get changed

like

[tawdry olive]

that one guy who loves playing the sirus maze: yes!

[fossil mural]

its all but confirmed

[tranquil sedge]

risk scarabs dont fix your underlying issue anyway lol

[ocean field]

yeah saw the stream

[ocean field]

true

I think more brutal mods are needed tbh

[fossil mural]

move uber frags to t18s

[tranquil sedge]

yea that also won't fix your issue

[fossil mural]

and make them like launch t17s

[tranquil sedge]

biggest t17 issue by far is the uber fragment gatekeeping behind them

[tranquil umbra]

they should make it so every map has one guaranteed tink by turning on ruthless mode

[ocean field]

true

[tranquil sedge]

even the mod effect on t17s was nerfed in 3.27

[fossil mural]

and quant was nerfed on t17 mods

[tranquil sedge]

the actual benefit to gonig 8mod t16 > t16.5 > 8mod t16.5 > t17 is pretty incremental only now its not a cliff

[ocean field]

yeah t17 is kinda pain due to layout

[tranquil sedge]

t17s are like 30-50% more profitable just from uber frags

if you run the good uber frag layouts

[coral summit]

they just gotta move uber frags somewhere else

[tranquil sedge]

moving won't fix it

you need additional sources

coz theres 2 issues at the same time

[coral summit]

make it so the normal bosses drop uber frags

of that boss

[tranquil sedge]

correct

[tranquil umbra]

uber frags can now only be obtained from sanctum

[tranquil sedge]

that needs to happen

[ocean field]

remove uber mfs from t17

and make better map layouts

[tranquil sedge]

if you only move uber frags then t17s become fine but it won't really fix the secondary issue of uber boss entry price

[tranquil sedge]

the layouts dont matter at all coz t16.5 exists

except citadel

fuck citadel i guess

[fossil mural]

also removing uber frags from t17s makes their bosses pointless

[tranquil sedge]

if you need good layouts for a strat t16.5s basically handle that

[fossil mural]

no one is going to suffer 5 katarina phases

for 2 rare items and a chaos

[tranquil sedge]

if uber frags came from normal bosses as well

t17 profits will crash up to like 30% easily

[tawdry olive]

make uber trials for the fragments: exarch fragment needs you to do ball phase, maven frag needs you to do memory game

10 times

[fossil mural]

and then everyone whines there is no juicy endgame farm

[tawdry olive]

🚪 🏃

[split maple]

Best part of ubers rn is that they are easier to access than like ue, dread, cortex

For feared and shitr

[tranquil sedge]

nah

[ocean field]

make a harder t18 with harder mods

[fossil mural]

no, do boss rush

[split maple]

So it would be kinda annoying if you had to first obtain access to them basic ones Just for ubers

[tranquil sedge]

t17 uber frags are just hiding the underlying issue

endgame lacking is just partially made up with the profit from frags

doesnt mean it doesn't suck

[split maple]

Like running dread instead of Uber dread for feared is total ass

[tranquil sedge]

well for one thing we'd not want normal bosses to be the only soruce

[split maple]

And that's coz ubers rn are way more accesible than like half of pinacles

[tranquil sedge]

just an extra source

also those normal fights are ass to encouter lol

[split maple]

Yeah that would be allrite ig

[tranquil sedge]

they need fixing regardless

like why the fuck is remembered invitation so aids

[fossil mural]

make strand bosses fully target farmable

remove the chance

just make

[tawdry olive]

yall know the worse tragedy? I think that one memory boss atlas point is staying...

[split maple]

Dread and other memory bosses, cortex, Uber elder are all more annoying to get than Uber versions

[fossil mural]

"never spawns this dude"

[tranquil sedge]

make it so you can have all 3 memories going on at once dude

then u can just force one to spawn at any time by only running that one

and make it so memories always spawn the next map or at least buff it waaaay the fuck up, if you don't have an active one

[split maple]

Also it's prolly faster to get Uber sirus than sirus lol

Since t17 drop more than conq maps

[fossil mural]

lmao

[tranquil sedge]

its just funny all over the place

[fossil mural]

I felt that

I did the hideout spawm with conq map chance

in phrecia

and they like

dont drop

at all

[tranquil sedge]

alright well hows everyone's optimism levels for patch notes?

on a scale of 0% to 100%?

[ocean field]

50

[tawdry olive]

69

[tranquil sedge]

i think im at around 40%

[split maple]

Base chance for conq is ass

So even with Phrecia scaling...

[split maple]

100% cannot get worse

[ocean field]

They gotta bump up the quant or modifiers loot is trash

[tawdry olive]

im actually serious btw

[tranquil sedge]

you really like tempting fate huh

[tawdry olive]

[ocean field]

or atleast add more mods smt

[split maple]

Except if they only remove blight and Alva 😄

[ocean field]

atlas nerf was too much

[tranquil sedge]

purely objectively

[split maple]

T17 mod nerf hit t16.5 more than t17

Shit is like impossible to roll now

[tranquil sedge]

3.28 should be one of the easiest leagues to make feel good in fucking ages

like, a dunce should be able to make it feel good if they had balance control over the game for 3.28

[split maple]

I don't want to have to exalt to get 140% scarb cmon

[tranquil sedge]

that is how easy it should be

so....lets see how it goes

[dusty mesa]

Surely ascendancies get some love

[earnest raven]

Patch notes are gonna be ass. Were probably not getting loot back

[ocean field]

ah peak hopium

[tranquil sedge]

with how loot starved 3.27 is if 3.28 isn't a fucking banger amongst players

you'll know these people really have lost the plot

[split maple]

Can I get build meta of 3.27 with loot of 3.25 please

And not totally ass mechanic

[ocean field]

it is a way to burrow into our very minds to make us play poe2

[earnest raven]

One can hope

[coral summit]

i will not play poe2

[tranquil sedge]

hahahahahaha

[tranquil umbra]

you will get the build meta of 3.26 doryani mercs with the loot of 3.27

[split maple]

Tbh even if it's total ass of league I will play for 4 months so why do I even hope

[tranquil sedge]

D:

i would argue this is why they can get away with it but ah hell there's no fucking competition

can't blame players ffs

[tawdry olive]

hey i tried, i played last epoch for a few hundred hours

[tranquil sedge]

and i like talking with the people who play even if im not playing a league so i guess im a bit of a hypocrite too

[tranquil sedge]

yea but its not like poe is it

[tawdry olive]

[tranquil sedge]

like, there's really nothing that replaces poe

[split maple]

Like its the only game for me that scratches Both the chess itch and the slots itch and I am too burned out of chess and cannot afford slots

[tawdry olive]

maven feet pics league

[tranquil umbra]

"play D4 if you are tired of the PoE league"
yes Blizzard
"$60 per expansion"
no Blizzard

[hybrid harness]

It genuinely amazes me how such a big company who also charges a fuck ton, is able to deliver such dogshit

[tranquil umbra]

fr

[hybrid harness]

ggg is a godsend

[ocean field]

thank god I have never play any other arpg other than poe

this is my first

and will be my last

[tranquil umbra]

same

[tawdry olive]

large companies are just massive behemoths, there's like an "inertia" to everything

its honestly counterproductive for games

[split maple]

I am still coping they Will somehow fuck up the poe2 vision enough to land a fun game in the end

[ocean field]

Management boiiii

[hybrid harness]

yea but surely one of those big boys just end up being the good guys at some point and actually start caring

[split maple]

Like Tempest flury stat stacker was proper poe1 style crack

[fossil mural]

yea please keep that contained to the inferior game

https://tenor.com/view/devious-cat-gif-6063409939592131780

[tranquil sedge]

you dont have to cope

its not all wishes and dreams

[split maple]

Also that twin herald la deadeye

I miss that

[tranquil sedge]

they will roll that game's vision back step by step over the coming months and years

until its actually playable

[split maple]

Archmage Spark? Heck that game had some fun builds

[tranquil sedge]

they've been doing it since day 1 dude

[split maple]

Idk what they fucked up last few patches

[tranquil sedge]

just that jonathan takes time to accept the losses

i can imagine poe2 will be fun for at least one proper playthrough in a few years time

[fossil mural]

https://streamable.com/9y34kq

[tranquil sedge]

like i want to play that game at least once
but only after it has time to become fun

[fossil mural]

weakest poe1 build

[tranquil sedge]

so probably like 2028, maybe 2029?

[peak heron]

2029 prolly

i cannot see it becoming good for at least a few years of trail and error

[tranquil sedge]

@hybrid harness @tawdry olive this 'large company' is singlehandedly pursuing the vision of like 2 people

it has nothing to do with the size of the place

[fossil mural]

poe2 doesnt need to become poe1 to become good

[tranquil sedge]

the driving factor for poe1 and poe2 is game director vision

[fossil mural]

KEKL

[peak heron]

the main thing they need to fix is pricing or div drops the market in poe2 is so inflated compared to poe 1

[tranquil sedge]

no it just has to become good to become good

[tranquil umbra]

one thing poe2 has is a lot of its action in the campaign
and I will say the campaign is VERY good

[tranquil sedge]

just be patient for that

[coral summit]

the problem is literally just that there's no sink for divines

[tranquil sedge]

the only reason their league hyperinflated is because there's no divine sink

after a few years who knows, maybe there will be

[coral summit]

there's exalt sinks and chaos sinks

but no divine sinks

[tranquil sedge]

even in affliction, poe1's inflation league, we didn't have such hyperinflation

[whole bluff]

arent you the one implying all the time poe1 should just die and poe1 players go to poe2?

[tranquil sedge]

coz divines sunk constantly

[tawdry olive]

we were talking about blizzard there
and it actually does affect things, because the larger it gets, the more layers removed that driving vision guy and especially the executives get from the lower rungs, and that's where things really start going to shit

[fossil mural]

no I am just saying drop poe1

[coral summit]

like, straight up only mirror crafters are using divines in poe2

and theres just

[tranquil sedge]

my bad for not reading

[coral summit]

not that many mirror crafters

[hybrid harness]

poe2 has been going against their og vision recently no? I feel like reaching poe1 level of greatness is bound to happen it will just take time

[coral summit]

when everyone and their mom figures out how to make rares shit out stacks of divine per temple or whatever

[tranquil sedge]

well yea obviously

[crisp obsidian]

Then why are you here

[tranquil sedge]

their og vision isn't a 'fun' game
its 'their' game

[fossil mural]

and jewels

[tranquil sedge]

so ofc they have to walk it back

step by step

[fossil mural]

jewel divining is very common

[tranquil sedge]

hence my reasoning to give them a few years to try it out

[tranquil sedge]

i could happily point out the lessons they failed to learn from poe1 crafting

but to be fair, mirror crafting by definition will only ever have a few players doing it

that part is normal

[tranquil umbra]

I mean still they won't walk it all the way back
the game will still be slower than poe1 whether you like it or not

[tawdry olive]

bet when they released poe2 they were thinking "ha! now all will finally align with our grand vision! the poe1 players will jump on board, and soon we will be able to sunset poe1 support" *cackles

[tranquil sedge]

not saying it will become a nicer looking poe1
but i can hope it becomes 'fun'

[fossil mural]

there is even fewer "mirror" crafters in poe2 because sanctification exists

[tranquil sedge]

also that yep u have a point there

but thats sorta similar to corruption innit

in that you can't mirror a sanctified item?

[fossil mural]

yes

[tranquil sedge]

right

[fossil mural]

and you dont divine sanctified items

well

before sanct

[crisp obsidian]

If there is no teaser for poe1 today then the future of GGG is truly doomed

[fossil mural]

so even if you make technically a mirror item

you dont need to divine it before sanct

[tranquil umbra]

you'd have to be a rock to think people actually want to change their overarching playstyle

[tranquil sedge]

teaser 1 - scion walking with swaying hips to the right
teaser 2 - cassia walking to the left instead
teaser 3 - zana walking straight off into the distance

[crisp obsidian]

I would be fine with that

[tranquil sedge]

amen

[crisp obsidian]

Like I said earlier even one word is enough

[fossil mural]

gotta get them zzz players in poe1 am I right

[tranquil umbra]

teaser 3 will be templar's neck extending to the heavens actually

[tranquil sedge]

they're big enough that they don't have to care about it

they have the resources to do whatever they want

[tranquil umbra]

that is true

[tranquil sedge]

and they, as expected, sold the shit out of poe2 on launch

like i've seen that argument so many times

'poe2 launch numbers 0.1 was so high!!! poe1 ded!!!'

[tawdry olive]

its because their philosophy actually really works...
if you're developing a single player one and done campaign sorta deal

[tranquil umbra]

I mean isn't that why poe2 is still early access anyway
they have the option to fuck around and find out

[tranquil sedge]

like no shit it was high they marketed the 'poe sequel made by ggg' and a new generation of arpg and all that

[crisp obsidian]

Did they? Didn't like 85% of the players get free access from poe1 purchases xdd

[tranquil sedge]

but ultimately holding on players is what matters

[fossil mural]

it was 450 bucks

I doubt 85% of players spent 450+ bucks

on poe1

[tranquil sedge]

i can try to find the sources if i need to but i think they said they made a lotta off it?

[tranquil umbra]

yeah they spent 1000+

[crisp obsidian]

Ah that's good to hear

That was the part I was worried off

[tranquil sedge]

ill try to find it later anyway just coz im curious now too

[crisp obsidian]

Nah no need to

I trust this once

[tranquil sedge]

but tbh if i pretend that they only gave access to poe1 players for a second

[fossil mural]

jiji? not asking for source?

[tranquil sedge]

that feels even worse LOL

[tranquil sedge]

i definitely am checking now

[shy furnace]

wow still no more news

[tranquil sedge]

https://youtu.be/-iFva8e6PhA

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah but

[tranquil sedge]

they didn't explicitly state sales, you are right

just total redemptions

[crisp obsidian]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

but poe2 also launched on steam

hmm

is there a way to find steam sales of a game

[tawdry olive]

steamdb

[tranquil sedge]

just actual sales numbers?

[tawdry olive]

oh wait no, you mean like actual sales

not like, discounts

[tranquil sedge]

yes

[tawdry olive]

[tranquil sedge]

idc discounted or not

but whether ppl actually spent $ to buy it

owell even if i ignore that
its still a fucking wild launch number

[crisp obsidian]

All I can think of is product received for free reviews vs normal reviews

[tranquil sedge]

the single highest launch number for poe1 was 3.25 with 229k concurrent

[crisp obsidian]

But idk if that works for poe2

[tranquil sedge]

so with some really fucking sketchy math they still made hella sales

[hybrid harness]

wdym free, like getting it from someone who bought an expensive pack that had multiple?

[crisp obsidian]

500+ spenders

[tranquil sedge]

there was a minimum spend threshold that got a key to redeem

[crisp obsidian]

Giveaway winners

Etc

[tranquil sedge]

idrm how many keys

[tranquil umbra]

and this was the league with like
the longest patch notes ever?

[crimson hearth]

anyone know a budget pbod guide

not endgame

[tranquil sedge]

3.25 was the buildup of multiple leagues of momentum dude

[hybrid harness]

that makes up for less than 1% of players though no

[crimson hearth]

even tho i have like 3 endgame stuff

[hybrid harness]

less than 0.1 maybe lol

[fossil mural]

for normal game

[tranquil sedge]

look at esm's profile and see his bio, he's a reddit thread linked there talking about his ssf progession

[fossil mural]

or phrecia

[tranquil umbra]

yeah ik

[crimson hearth]

normal

[tawdry olive]

then they killed all of it

[tranquil sedge]

sorry i hit enter early by mistake
but yea

[crimson hearth]

sure ya

[fossil mural]

I think its long neck with battlemage

[tranquil umbra]

lol all good

[umbral crag]

In keepers there's also the manni version for budget

Tho thats more an autobomber style pbod

[tranquil sedge]

overall poe2 has been a financial success, like nobody can deny that
and ggg is a business at the end of the day

just sucks to be a player sometimes

[crimson hearth]

im tryna do herald stacker pbod tho

[umbral crag]

Manni one is the herald stacking pbod...

[crimson hearth]

oh ok

on yt?

[umbral crag]

Not sure who came up with it first but his version is the most popular one

[tawdry olive]

think there's a mobalytics guide he made?

[umbral crag]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/planner/lyeh80yl

[hard cliff]

they got the fortnight audience

[tranquil sedge]

they got the hype audience 😄

[umbral crag]

This one @crimson hearth

[tawdry olive]

oh it was maxroll

[ocean field]

@normal hedge is it this one for the exp farm?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXeRpFoW0Q

[umbral crag]

Prices are not exact since this is end league so take it with a grain of salt

[crimson hearth]

ohh ok il check it ut

[umbral crag]

But u can probably still get a budget version going

[crisp obsidian]

Ewww bug abuser fubgooner

Idk how he isn't banned yet

[crimson hearth]

ya i could farm like 25d maybe

[hard cliff]

It's so weird how opinion has shifted on Path of Exile 2 over the last few months. It's gone from everybody saying it's never going to be good to even regular players wishing they could quit one and thinking maybe they will one day soon. I like this game but it's a sign of the times it doesn't have a lot of life left for it

[crimson hearth]

i owe someone 20 tho somehow

[ocean field]

yeah but on another note is this the one

??

[coral summit]

its literally the end of the league lmao

[umbral crag]

Just make sure to follow his excel spreadsheet for further crafting guides too.

[coral summit]

ggg doesnt care

[crisp obsidian]

Idk

[tranquil umbra]

because if he gets banned the playerbase will get halved sadly

[ocean field]

bruh

[crisp obsidian]

Xdddd good meme

[fossil mural]

people just ragebait

[ocean field]

can someone let me know which exactly is the bugged alva farm

which video

??

for exp

[tranquil umbra]

the one you posted

[coral summit]

ggg will fix the interaction and not say anything else

[normal hedge]

yes

[ocean field]

oh ok

[umbral crag]

This one, but kt has never been about exp?

[tranquil sedge]

buddy whats weird about it

[coral summit]

now if they were doing this early in the league and not saying anything

[umbral crag]

Lol

[hard cliff]

Who is rage baiting?

[coral summit]

that would be a league ban

[tranquil sedge]

like the changing opinion on poe was the most expected trend in the world lmao

[ocean field]

gng I am on standard

[fossil mural]

everyone

[tranquil sedge]

any poe1 player with a working brain coulda seen this xd

[umbral crag]

Kek welp

[crisp obsidian]

The person you replied to, no one else really ragebaits here

[ocean field]

wait does this not work in standard??

[hard cliff]

I'm not your buddy

[ocean field]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tranquil sedge]

ok budd

[umbral crag]

No idea, give it a go

[blissful zodiac]

back in my days

we called it trolling

[hard cliff]

ok pal

[steady elk]

POE2 is garbo? whod've thought

[hard cliff]

true

[blissful zodiac]

well not excatly

[tranquil sedge]

tbh the title of troll has been diluted over the years

[normal hedge]

why it wouldnt work in standard

[tranquil sedge]

real trolls are classy

ragebait is easy

[blissful zodiac]

to be hourly

[ocean field]

idk

[hard cliff]

if you ain't getting arrested you weren't trolling hard enough

[ocean field]

but how has this not been found till now

[umbral crag]

Rmb, poe2 doesn't have to be a good game. It just have to be the better game. They're doing a damn good job at making poe1 the worse game slowly but surely kekw

[fossil mural]

"poe2 isnt fun"

said the ragebaiter

[umbral crag]

Idt anyone can deny that fully.

[coral summit]

honestly the biggest problem with poe2 imo is that if they're this intent on not having people be able to turbo zoomzoom forced ruthless no movement skills they have to address half the tree just clicking every movespeed and -ms penalty node while the other half of the tree has neither of those

[steady elk]

the real master baiter's victim would not know they've been had till well after the perpetrator has exited the discussion

[crisp obsidian]

That's not a ragebait, it's a subjective opinion

[coral summit]

cuz right now the power ceiling for content is so low that literally every build if it is able to will just path to the right side of the tree

for move speed

[crisp obsidian]

Flashbang

[steady elk]

poe2 is not fun

[tranquil sedge]

haven't you been recently (at least) mentioning quite a bit how you want poe1 to just end, in the poe1 chat

not sure that puts you in much higher standing 😄

[shy furnace]

poe2 is fun when u make 1000d an hour

[ocean field]

where are you bro