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[wooden reef]

[grizzled lily]

lowkey starving for mercs going core atm

[crisp obsidian]

oh it's a t*t user

no wonder

[elfin spire]

when is phercia end?

[opaque sphinx]

do u want the entire meta to be lightning dmg

[wooden reef]

idk what that is

[opaque sphinx]

cuz thats how u make the entire meta lightning dmg

[tranquil umbra]

I think if they don't nerf doryani's when mercs go core, heads will roll

[opaque sphinx]

concept of merc was cool
but it really just boils down to
"cool use doryani"
or
"cool i have a couple auras for free and slightly more dmg for free, and nothing about my gameplay actually changes"

[tranquil umbra]

that's weak aura

[native abyss]

i mean free auras though

[stoic horizon]

didnt they say that mercs will eventually return

[tranquil umbra]

the strong aura is "I can build an aurabot without interacting with people"

[opaque sphinx]

i just don't see the point, u can have the literal exact same effect by just making rme more accessible or buffing auras

[grizzled lily]

YESSSSSSSSSS

god how i love my dmg to skyrocket

pobb numbassssss

[opaque sphinx]

just play int acc jug and do it urself

[grizzled lily]

but thats just greasy

no?

[pulsar dune]

Imagine jiquani with doryani mercs

[humble basin]

I just watched this scion thingy and realised one thing, next leauge going to be sand theme and I have feeling everything going to be monotoned again. We had blue leauges, gray leauges so time for sepia one

[crisp obsidian]

how do I delete empty remove-only tabs

[grizzled lily]

they remove themselves when u relog

[crisp obsidian]

uhhh

but the tab was empty when I logged in

:o

[grizzled lily]

xdd

[glass elk]

https://maxroll.gg/poe/build-guides/ice-trap-trickster-league-starter
anyone have any idea why he takes raise specter in the progression part?

[crisp obsidian]

in what part of it

oh

it's for this

so you get this aura for "free"

[glass elk]

so i need to kill something summon specter then cast zealotry?

[crisp obsidian]

reading the guide and googling helps

but dark marionettes are corpses you get from ritual(you can buy them from other players through trade)

[glass elk]

i coujldnt find the specters part i looked guess im just blind

[crisp obsidian]

it's in the build information part

scroll down on it

[glass elk]

yep right there lol

missed it ig

[crisp obsidian]

it's ok

we are poe players

we can't read xdd

[glass elk]

so i should buy 2 of them?

[crisp obsidian]

yes

[glass elk]

never even seen these things before

[crisp obsidian]

you can buy any tier btw

doesn't have to be perfect or normal, can be the worst one too

afaik

idk if there is a price difference

[glass elk]

they are like 4/5 c

would i need to buy them everytime i log in then>

?

[crisp obsidian]

no

they also respawn by themselves

so you just need to press zealotry

[glass elk]

ok

[crisp obsidian]

and if it ever goes down just press it again

[glass elk]

alright

thank you

[finite night]

for those who have played both poe 1 and poe 2 which on is better for newer players atm?

[crisp obsidian]

poe2 probs, but poe1 is gonna have a new league sooner

I mean it depends

poe1 takes more time

and is better with more time

so if the new player has time

I suggest poe1

poe2 is better casually

and campaign etc a lot better feeling

[finite night]

okok poe 1 has more depth in customization right?

[crisp obsidian]

I would say so yes

[glass elk]

can only summon 1 at a time any idea why./

[crisp obsidian]

too low level spectre gem? iirc

[glass elk]

i dont see anything anywhere about getting more

ahhh

tysm

[vale compass]

A LOT MORE, and also in terms of polish poe1 is way ahead, poe2 still being rough around the edges and constantly changing (we are expecting big overhaul of endgame in the next patch)

[spare ore]

way way more

[whole bluff]

yay, tree tree just dropped me a ca 80d chest

[opaque sphinx]

i mean this poe1 league is literally an endgame overhaul as well

[whole bluff]

perfect t1% Eva&ES, perfect hybrid defence & stun recovery, perfect ES flat

perfect base percent

not fractured

[vale compass]

we'll see, but it wont be anywhere as drastic as poe2

[bold scarab]

Poe1 is unpolished as heck ... That's why the people who like it are so cultish about it

[whole bluff]

open suffixes

[vale compass]

holy gg

[bold scarab]

In terms of polish poe2 is already more polished ... Poe1 just has more stuff

[opaque sphinx]

30 qual?

[whole bluff]

unfortunately not

[opaque sphinx]

might genuinely be better to triple split if so

oh

[whole bluff]

then it would have been a couple hundred div I think

[opaque sphinx]

yeh

prob like 150

[whole bluff]

since ES is actually perfect, and I hit heist 8% enchant in like 3 tailoring

[opaque sphinx]

fair but at 30qual i genuinely dunno if it'd be better to trip split

thats hot af

[whole bluff]

true, but it's just good rolls on t1 with 20q

[opaque sphinx]

disgustang

[severe pivot]

do i still have time to rush to lvl 90 from act 2

[opaque sphinx]

gimme

[vale compass]

split 30% twilight regalia alone is around 100d

[whole bluff]

yuppp

twilight regalia would prolly be better yeah

[opaque sphinx]

eh

necrotic still nasty for all ranger\

[whole bluff]

this thing isnt on the market 😭

[opaque sphinx]

beats my chest

[opaque sphinx]

finish it 4head

[whole bluff]

uninfluenced non mirror service this high ES

meh no

I want munz

[opaque sphinx]

its just eldritch chaos till done

thats how u get munz

u have 2 days nobody wants to buy a chest thats not done

[whole bluff]

but what if someone with a ton of dough wants to make a shaper influenced necrotic with as high ES as it gets before giga price hike

[opaque sphinx]

then they would start with suffixes

[whole bluff]

rip

do you wanna finish it? I dont need full price if so

[opaque sphinx]

for dex/int % u need to slam deemer/crus
and then preflock slam slam scour repeat

easier to get suff done first then do that method for ES cuz the weightings are much better

[opaque sphinx]

i aint got no money left i think

maybe 20d

u can have that to finish it if u want

[whole bluff]

ah, hmm

nah, I wanna sell

putting it at 75d for now

[opaque sphinx]

glgl

[whole bluff]

cuz idk what to do with my in league stuff, but I dont wanna burn the remaining time finishing that when I have a challenge left

[opaque sphinx]

it'd take like an hour tbf

tops

[whole bluff]

nah, I dont have the funds

[opaque sphinx]

fairs

[whole bluff]

so I'd need to farm eater and get lucky which can be 20 min or 5h

[brazen beacon]

Decided to roll a witch in keepers since i skipped initially and want to homebrew a build as a challenge but kinda at a loss of what skill to even main. Maybe something that synergises with ignite ele or maybe profane bloom. Any suggestions for a skill that’s relatively easy to scale for a newbie homebrewer?

[opaque sphinx]

any phys spell

bv ek reap exsang

[brazen beacon]

Ty, why phys spells specifically? Just so I understand the thought process behind it

[opaque sphinx]

gain as extra is very very strong and phys spells can double dip on a lot of scalers

[brazen beacon]

Thank you! Makes perfect sense!

[gritty epoch]

U have to play elementalist tho

[brazen beacon]

Im good with that!

[pulsar dune]

wave of conviction ignite is pretty straightforward, also a phys spell.

[opaque sphinx]

tried and true starter set is hrimsorrow for 100% phys to cold
heatshiver for 30% cold as fire
and hatred for phys as extra cold

[pulsar dune]

and you dont need to bother converting

[opaque sphinx]

3 1c items gives u 60% more dmg

[opaque sphinx]

occy works too

[brazen beacon]

Thanks for suggestions, will look at each skill and decide which one looks like fun

[gritty epoch]

1. stack phy as extra
2. stack +all +phy
3. stack clusters for DoT multi

Select spell with highest hit per cast eg woc

[opaque sphinx]

yeh u can do dot or hit, got plenty options but yeah gain as extra will be ur best friend, easiest way to get super high scaling without knowing a ton of mechanics

[pulsar dune]

if you want to breeze through campaign, cremation, while miserable, is broken for single target. Can just throw it on a 4l

[opaque sphinx]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bored-alice-in-wonderland-meh-ZXKZWB13D6gFO

[normal valley]

Anyone know what happens to the phrecia chars? They go to the bin or standard?

[vale compass]

merged into keepers

[dreamy crane]

im confused are breach fortresses gone?

they only mentioned the hive and unstable

and the breach colony were you fight the boss

gone?

[whole bluff]

standard would be the bin but they go to keepers first

[elfin spire]

which command is for checking if i missed some rewards(points, mainly) through campaign?

[hazy kiln]

/passives

note that it only tells you ones you've missed once you've already finished the campaign

before that it will only show ones you've got

[vale compass]

a bigger bin than void

[elfin spire]

i finished, it just showes only one's i finished
i mean, i maybe got all of them

[whole bluff]

the bin that never stops growing

[opaque sphinx]

wait viper can i ask this one

[hazy kiln]

there are 24 total available so if it's showing 24 (or 23 if you sided with a bandit) you're all good

[elfin spire]

yep, it's 24

[opaque sphinx]

is there like an actual verifiable lore that the storywriter/lore guys like fall back on and look at? like do they actually know how everything is connected and whatnot? like what the overall story is?

or are even they lost and just kinda winging it

[hazy kiln]

there are obviously extensive internal lore docs. I don't know exactly what they contain and couldn't tell you if I did

[opaque sphinx]

yeah sorry that was still a bad way to phrase that lemme think

[normal hedge]

Why something similar isn't a thing in poe2? Looking the icons is actually pretty hard sometimes

[hazy kiln]

my understanding is that there improvements planned for this in the future and it's likely just a UI time/priorities thing

I can't comment on what those improvements would be or a timeline though

[opaque sphinx]

im more wondering if the story is everevolving, like they have a general storyline and just fill in specifics/blanks as they go?
or is more like literally everything is planned out? like they wrote about arbiter etc 7 yrs ago?

[frigid wedge]

how i gonna be sat all week

[normal hedge]

I see, thanks

[frigid wedge]

until like Monday

[opaque sphinx]

i guess thats still not a great question, idk im just kinda curious on the process of how the story is developed

[hazy kiln]

it's a mixture of both. that's about as much detail as I personally know though, you'd have to ask an actual narrative person that question

[opaque sphinx]

if you don't mind, who is that? I would love to ask them stuff and pick their brain

i kinda always default to you cuz idk any other ggg staff besides zao really

sorry

[hazy kiln]

no one in this server I'm afraid

[opaque sphinx]

damn

next time u see them in the office can u tell them i will send them feet pics if t hey lemme ask some questions

or like my undying affection and gratitude cuz uh

thats more normal

and totally what i meant

i can buy them a coffee

[hazy kiln]

I don't really remember the contents of this talk cause it's been ages, but I would bet this talk would touch on this topic to some degree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB_7p7Vm6V8

[opaque sphinx]

ouuuuuuuuuuu

tytyty

will watch that now

[spare ore]

disgusting

[ember goblet]

i hope theres more technical talks at this novembers exilecon

[opaque sphinx]

bro i need to know poe1 lore

and in order to do that i must play bad poe

[spare ore]

nice excuse

[ember goblet]

watch a playthrough

-1 excuse

[opaque sphinx]

literally nobody in the history of ever has read the lore during a playthru

[ember goblet]

i have

[opaque sphinx]

do u have it posted on yt

[ember goblet]

no

[opaque sphinx]

well how does that help

[native abyss]

where do we rank

im on the left

[opaque sphinx]

idk put me a solid 30% of the way there

[lean urchin]

in this talk im veteran

[cobalt blade]

in the void

[crisp obsidian]

PoE lore is not real, y'all are hallucinating it

[ember goblet]

im all the way to the right and anyone smarter or better than me is cheating in some way

hello?

[lean urchin]

the echo in your head making noise?

[ember goblet]

echo of loneliness

thats one of the sota boss frags right

[lean urchin]

ye

[ember goblet]

yeah that

guys

choose your friends wisely

[civic charm]

So breach tree is going core. That likely means we'll have some foulborns that also go core

Int stacking jugg here to stay

[stray sedge]

there is so much more to learn

[gritty epoch]

No grafts it's over

[inner prawn]

claws nerfed to oblivion

[runic raptor]

I love traps

[crisp obsidian]

Yeah but clearly not today smh where teaser ggggggg

[opaque wing]

They could be on the every other day schedule of teasers.

[civic charm]

It didn't need the graphs to work this lol

Just the acc on claw

[tight plinth]

booooo, no teasers today

[gritty epoch]

Iirc grafts are more than half the damage

[civic charm]

? You get all the flat from the boots and claw

[pulsar dune]

Lucky is like 40%, and Jolt is broken as well

But those work on more or less every relevant high end build, so I don't think losing them would shift the meta that much

[gritty epoch]

The %melee per int iirc give a huge chunk

[pulsar dune]

Oh those exist

Yeah that's a huge one

[cobalt blade]

nah

remember that you have simplex for damage scaling and this pob has lightning dmg clusters

its like 20-30% damage

the main thing is losing the +1 strike which is kinda annoying to get a source of

and its still at more than playable numbers w/o those grafts lol

[opaque sphinx]

nah

even without grafts u can have over 500m easily

i still don't have grafts on my 2.5b one

[lean urchin]

yall feeding ggg with nerf-options

[opaque sphinx]

i mean the build needs deleted

its disgusting

but so is and so does tree

[cobalt blade]

For sure my non doryanis inflated one has 470m without grafts although it would prob lose another 30-40m getting +strikes

and that ones got only like a 1.65?x helical 3mod and def passes 500m with a 2x

or if it runs a damage anoint over siones

+if it does somehow live im sure you could make up the damage loss with whatever the next borrowed power system is (assuming there is one)

or if they bring back mercs without stopping them using doryanis and your now dealing billions of dps without losing half your defence

[tight plinth]

id be surprised if fb hotm survives the nerf hammer

[cobalt blade]

same lol

way too efficient scaling

[tight plinth]

they gonna double tap that thing, probably make it 1% accuracy every 30 int

which would probably still be decent

oh thats too much maybe 2% per 30 int

[cobalt blade]

alternatively make it per dex so you can't double dip on flat acc from mastery+shapers touch and you dont get defence scaling

(no gruthkuls flight since stormriders)

[tight plinth]

true

[cobalt blade]

but instead you get a bunch of extra flat from weapon since double dex mods

Would be funky

[unreal hatch]

hi , does POE 2 have the challenge 40/40 or trophy for its league? like POE 1

[gritty epoch]

Just tested pob online it's from 500m to 400m so you are correct

[cobalt blade]

Dyo mean for the graft implicit

If so yeah i literally just opened my own pob to check it

[whole bluff]

time for the 40th challenge

finally found chambers of impurity

[gritty epoch]

Not currently

[tight plinth]

idk why they dont tbh, theyre technically calling it a league

i guess theres not much content to do challenges? idk

[whole bluff]

yay

[tight plinth]

anyone have a pob for bannerman league start or youtube link

[pseudo axle]

its getting harder for me to care about playing since the league is ending :s

cheap invitations have vanished

uber elder fragments are almost impossible to buy now

[normal hedge]

search this

and you'll find a few bait pobs

[tight plinth]

thats the guy?

[normal hedge]

thats blazar

hes not a content creator, just a banner enjoyer

[tight plinth]

i thought the build would be tankier

oops nvm, its all magic items

[hard cliff]

@whole bluff

Congeragukgaulationagaognasdoas nsa

YOU'RE THE GOAT

THE GOAT

THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT

@tight plinth

How did your Phrecia go ?

[whole bluff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/VFZDuY0nePXry

[tight plinth]

got to 90, got bored and played osrs instead

[hard cliff]

My gf in highschool had goats they were so funny

I love them

[hard cliff]

I'm at level 89 and playing dota 2 turbo

[whole bluff]

they seem like such weird creatures

[spice pecan]

im so sorry you're playing turbo

[hard cliff]

The real game makes me angry this is just the fun part

I was suprised I like it so much

If I win the game I am without fail (I only play support)

the most deaths but also the highest kill assists in the game

I just play total unga bunga it's all I know

[spice pecan]

turbo always makes me anxious when trying to buy shit from shop

[normal hedge]

turbo the goat

[spice pecan]

ability draft the goatoat

[elfin spire]

second hour in a row losing 1/3 on annuls

[normal hedge]

games with 1h 20min+ isnt fun to me anymore

i like ability draft but the queue in my country is like 30 min

[spice pecan]

oof

i mean even in na its still kinda long

[hard cliff]

You right

[tough cove]

sadly theres such a small ad crew

[stuck timber]

holy shit

just in time to see 67

[final owl]

I feel like 67 is a poe2 thing.

[spice pecan]

very much so

[final owl]

aka.. dumb.

[ebon tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/826623965031956521/1469208815437090933/trash-garbage.gif

[karmic copper]

Teaser soon

[elfin spire]

what to do if price checking by apps doesn't help me?

[final owl]

price check manually?

[spice pecan]

its just about learning which mods are good on which items

[final owl]

it depends what your issue is. if it's "there are no items up for sale with the exact affix combination I have" there are ways

[elfin spire]

i'm doing it by app
i'm not trying to put every checkbox, it just that some items are weird

[final owl]

maybe it's worth saying what the item is

[elfin spire]

i'm relaunching to get english interface

[runic raptor]

Rip the goats horn also im speedruning

My worst roll yet on one

Oh the vid didn't record the last 15 seconds of the breach I did

[final owl]

we can probably guess what the item is even if it's not in english? but ok.

[elfin spire]

it's not some crazy item ofc, but at this point i'm just curious

[final owl]

ah so is it the corrupted implicit that is tripping you up

[elfin spire]

good luck guessing cyrillic, lmao

[elfin spire]

not only it

[final owl]

I mean we would know it's an amulet eh?

[spice pecan]

none of the explicits are particularly worth anything

[final owl]

it's a nice corrupted implicit, but generally a nice corrupted implicit is only interesting if it also comes on an item with affixes you definitely want / need

[elfin spire]

it's incursion + corruption, i didn't knew it can drop that way

[runic raptor]

Resistances + any life and mana that adds to your maximum mana is important and some damage mods

[final owl]

amulet slot is probably one of the most contested item slots these days

honestly not sure if there is any particular build that combo of affixes is great for, and a few of them are relatively low tiers anyway

[elfin spire]

can't use liquids on already corrupted item, i guess

[final owl]

need tainted oil

which is a bit $$

[spice pecan]

you can, just need tainted oil

[elfin spire]

not worth it

[final owl]

yeah not really, you'd only bother on an amulet that was genuinely good

[spice pecan]

it is if the amulet is good, which this one kind of isnt

worth it on something like this

[final owl]

34%. chonky.

[spice pecan]

yeah, it's a 15% roll sadly rather than a 16

[final owl]

is the tree any good at pooping out decent amulets. I've never really tried

[spice pecan]

no idea, belts and rings all day baybee

[tough cove]

alot of the valuable craft amulets are all influenced

or heist bases

[final owl]

i asumed it would only be good for early maps level gearing, not late game

[vale compass]

problem is tree cant poop synth or heist bases so largly useless for late endgame, otherwise yeah you can get decent jewelery from it

[tight plinth]

68 increased attributes

[umbral scarab]

no teaser today?

[elfin spire]

didn't thought that one day i'll say that, but i need search with proper regex in this game

[final owl]

you can search with proper regex

[elfin spire]

would've saved much time at chaosing stuff

[elfin spire]

is it there?

[final owl]

https://poe.re/

[elfin spire]

[final owl]

well you can't have everything 😛

[elfin spire]

that's not proper regex if i can't have that

it's regex by name, i see

[final owl]

why would you need to regex cluster notables anyway. are you chaosing 100 clusters and hoping a regex will just highlight when you've made profitable combos

[elfin spire]

i'm crafting for myself
there's just 1 out of 2 suffixes and at least 1 out of 2 prefixes i want

[runic raptor]

Is there a mod on a graft that grants added fire damage?

[final owl]

sure. I mean. I just alt / aug clusters myself.

[tight plinth]

Thats not added though

Oh im blind nvm

[elfin spire]

i was like "sorry, misunderstood" already

[final owl]

you can deffs get flat fire

[elfin spire]

i'm trying to get Prismatic Heart(optional), Cold to the Core in prefixes and Doryani's Lesson or Disorienting Display in suffixes

[final owl]

sure, thats pretty normal for medium clusters.

rolling them is a pain in the butt, but not that bad

[elfin spire]

i would've had it like hours ago if i didn't missed every single 50/50, every 1/3 and every 1/4

[final owl]

the worst is getting your two and a third notable, but in the wrong order :I

[elfin spire]

wdym medium?

[final owl]

a pretty normal medium cluster setup wants 3 notables, 2 you actually want and a third that is at the back of the wheel you won't use

[elfin spire]

i will use all 3 if i get that roll

[final owl]

well, you have slightly more flexibility in that case then because it doesn't matter what order the notables are in

[elfin spire]

yep

problem is getting Cold to the Core

[final owl]

some of the notables have annoyingly low weighting I guess

[elfin spire]

more so - every time you get non notable in prefix - anything else doesn't matter, you have to start from scratch

i mean, thats true for any 3 notable clusters, but when 2 out of 3 notables you want are rare - especially

[final owl]

yeah i tend to just alt until I have two and cross fingers for a regal.

the occasional annul if i have a good combo, just in case

[elfin spire]

thats what i'm doing for last couple hours
4-5k alts, 50 or so regals, couple annuls and exalts in

[final owl]

rough. the only cluster i had to roll for phrecia took me less than 1k

[cobalt blade]

feel like its worth asking is your cluster at the right ilvl

[elfin spire]

yep, every one of those notables are from ilevel 68, and i do see them

[cobalt blade]

is it above 68 or exactly 68

to cut weight from other mods like t1 mana/life

[elfin spire]

73

[cobalt blade]

ah yea thats fine then no exta tiers between 68-73

[elfin spire]

i bought specifically between 68 and 74 to cut stuff i dont want

[cobalt blade]

yeye

[sleek barn]

i rolled mine in less than 50

oops i was scrolled

super lucky this league with 35% minion cluster

[tight plinth]

where are my teasers

[spare ore]

i ate them

[sleek barn]

does pack size affect exped

non-map pack size

lineage

[austere sparrow]

Hurray! My strength-stacking puppeteer finally broke 1 million dps in PoB!

[sleek barn]

hurray!

brutus lead sprinklers?

[austere sparrow]

Oh yes. I'd started with the plan of stacking ES and using energy blade but I didn't want to do Presence of Chayula and Ghostwrithe.

[steel light]

every map multiplier affects expedition

[austere sparrow]

According to a quick google search and an EmpyrianGaming video from 2022, yes.

[sleek barn]

i think eblade is the meta choice, but i really did want to do brutus lead sprinklers

[steel light]

all these affects expedition mobs

[sleek barn]

good on you for trying

maybe i do invest into t16.5s for exped

[cobalt blade]

yes

[sleek barn]

it'd be funny

i can't do archaeology though

fuck if only my build was actually good

im fully juiced for exped

[steel light]

everyone does this to save time, unless it's logbooks

[final owl]

having to actually use brain to place all 5 is what makes me not bother touching expedition mostly

[proud pebble]

yeah you put big boom, check mods by mousing over the thing at the bottom and go

then die like 3 times to insanely juiced revnantns

[tight plinth]

just dont die 4Head

[austere sparrow]

It's feeling decent. 8.6k ES, 2k life, foulborn Esh's Visage for chaos protection, but energy blade stacking with ghostwrithe and Chayula's does seem to be the better option, though that's less strength stacking and more life and conversion to ES stacking.

[tight plinth]

anyone done the new axe? life stacking

[steel light]

whoever design this just want to watch the world burn

[tight plinth]

does recovery rate also affect recoup?

[steel light]

no

[austere sparrow]

Some people have, yeah. Looking at the builds on poe.ninja, it's mostly Daughters of Oshabi and Bog Shamans but there're some variety other than those two.

[steel light]

🫡

[tight plinth]

i know bog has the life stacking node but everything else doesnt seem to fit animate weapon 🤔

[austere sparrow]

Oh hey, where did you find that?

[final owl]

I've been trying to find Aul just for the hell of it but I think I am bored of not finding him already :I

[finite quail]

poedb.tw

[steel light]

https://poedb.tw/us/ useful site

[sleek barn]

i am aware

i have the unique idol

i do exped all the time, i just never cared to juice it

every once in a while i juice it to the high heavens and then perish immediately

i realized i can swap to caustic ground zombies to have a better time

around 12m dps

[austere sparrow]

OH! Animate reflection life-stacking axe! Sorry, I thought you were asking about builds with the axe in general.
Hmm. I'm not sure animated weapons get that much life... Lemme see... hmm. 😯

There's a single build with animate reflection using the Grey Wind axe on poe.ninja.
It looks decent enough, 2.8 million dps.

Puppeteer.

[sleek barn]

is it 2.8 mil per minion

[austere sparrow]

Oh god no, with 14 weapons up.

[brazen vector]

Rookie numbers

[austere sparrow]

We're talking about a very niche build that's publicly viewable, there's no way on earth it'd doing busted numbers.

[sleek barn]

alesia just wants to flex her chains of command

[tight plinth]

i think the person is mistaking how the weapon works

it scales off player life not minion life

[brazen vector]

Id never do that

[sleek barn]

oh does it specify player's life?

thats pretty cool

[austere sparrow]

Oh dang, you're right! That means it might actually be good.

[tight plinth]

yeah its like eph blade but life

[austere sparrow]

It'd be an interesting test anyway. We still have a couple of days left in Phrecia 2. Anyone willing to have a go?

[cobalt blade]

recovery rate yes regen rate no

[brazen vector]

Omg hiii naca

[cobalt blade]

hiiiii :3

[brazen vector]

[cobalt blade]

[finite quail]

[brazen vector]

My megabald sold

[brazen vector]

Woke multistrike time

[tight plinth]

interesting, pob is scaling it off minion life

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/hellooo-cat-cat-meme-kitty-black-cat-gif-3944595165325169081

[tight plinth]

thats weird 🤔

on animate guardian it scales off player life

[cobalt blade]

i think if your set to show minion stats pob sometimes uses the minions stats where it shouldnt

[opaque wing]

Yeah the Life stacking AG build doesn't work in PoB out of the box, you have to disable the life mod and do math for the flat fire it would actually do

[cobalt blade]

tho i also didnt realise grey wind works like that for self reflection that might be an interesting thing for next league

[opaque wing]

PoB needs to update to fix it to look at player life like rathpith and EE. But no one also has made that issue post to their GH so its unlikely to get fixed any time soon

[tight plinth]

it might be funner to slap it on a merc

[cobalt blade]

nahhh

id personally flame link to a merc over doing that

[brazen vector]

Why not both

[cobalt blade]

youd get more oout of giving it either replica dream feathers with life stack scaling(from your link) or paradoxica for double dam

[brazen vector]

Makes sense

[earnest raven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hPLuj1DueW0?si=SD5QWo8sPA-p3g4K

[full lava]

question i did the ascendancy trial and i wanted the elementalist class but it gave me the opposite of it is there a way to change that?

[final owl]

what is the opposite of elementalist supposed to be

it should give you 3 options to choose from

[finite quail]

there is no opposite

there are three options

if you want to change your ascendancy to one of the other two, click on the ascendancy plaque again

if you specced your ascendancy points, you will need to refund them first

[tight plinth]

if you havent allocated any ascendancy nodes, you just need to do the trial again

[full lava]

wdym there is literally elementalist ascendancy

[finite quail]

There is no opposite ascendancy

[undone gazelle]

are you on phrecia or keepers, check top right

[finite quail]

that would imply there would only be two ascendancies for the witch

[full lava]

phrecia

[finite quail]

oh, you're fucked then

[tight plinth]

there is no elementalist in phrecia

[final owl]

phrecia has alternative ascendancies

[finite quail]

you gotta make a new character

in the correct league

[full lava]

.....................

[finite quail]

phrecia doesnt have base game ascendancies

they get replaced

[tight plinth]

i think you can migrate to correct league

[full lava]

the phrecia is ending right? should i js wait?

[final owl]

that's like.. half of it's whole thing. Idols and alternate ascendancies and gauntlet mods in the case of 2.0

[cobalt blade]

ends in 2 days yea

[cobalt blade]

i dont think you can

[full lava]

should i js wait and do the triail again?

[finite quail]

You should be able to migrate your character from phrecia to keepers

[tight plinth]

2 days is a long time, getting level 30ish takes like an hour

[undone gazelle]

how early are you? if its your first trial then it might be fine just making a new chara

[final owl]

you can only migrate at the end of phrecia though right

[elfin spire]

2 day's to get last 3 level's to 90💀

[full lava]

mannnnnn

breh

i have like a lvl 80 on phrecia

[tight plinth]

you got to level 80 before realizing youre in the wrong league?

[full lava]

whats the difference i thought theres no dif

[finite quail]

at lvl 90 you get another free mtx box

[finite quail]

why would there be no difference if it was a separate league

[full lava]

bro it was litereally recomended

like what u on

[finite quail]

[full lava]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-empty-head-moron-spongebob-gif-11976325420190756370

[finite quail]

Brother do you have a dent in your head

[elfin spire]

Yeah, I also think that it's weird

[undone gazelle]

keepers - main challenge league
phrecia 2.0 - event league with gauntlet mods

[tight plinth]

but how are you level 80? did you just ascend now at level 80?

[full lava]

im js gnna ignore this guy this dude doesnt help

[elfin spire]

When you create new char, it defaults to phercia.
New player's WILL get stuck.

[finite quail]

[full lava]

i made a new aacount

i mean a new char

i have a dualist thats lvl 80

[undone gazelle]

just get that to lv90 for the free mtx box

[tight plinth]

okay so you have level 80 on phrecia first then wanted to make a new one on old league?

[full lava]

i thought all the league r same \

since it was recomended

[final owl]

phrecia is literally the only one that is fundamentally different

[sleek barn]

!leagues

[covert swan]

In Path of Exile 1, challenge leagues last approximately 4 months, contain a unique new mechanic and do not allow players access to their existing characters and items. Most players play the temporary leagues.

Standard is the permanent league and has been running since Path of Exile 1's launch. There are many more items in the economy, deflating their value. The population is lower than the temporary leagues. If you can only play a small amount of time per week and want to go very far in the game, this can be what you want to play in, but still not where you want to start.

If you are a new player, it is strongly recommended to play in the current temporary league.

For details on what happens when a temporary league ends, see https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2091028

The current challenge league, Keepers, started:
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This information was last updated on 12th January 2026. The above should show in your local time if you have the right timezone set with your discord account.

[full lava]

i guess imma js wait till the event ends

will it get rid of my account or is it gnna automatically move to the orig league?

[final owl]

you could just look up a build for the ascendancies available to you in phrecia

[tight plinth]

did you not notice you have items in your stash when you made the new character?

[elfin spire]

I think devs shouldn't be making event league's like phercia a default option.
People who understand what it is can choose it by themselves.

[full lava]

exaclty

i made 2 account on it

[final owl]

it should at least pop up a warning about it being a challenge league with alternate ascendancies

[full lava]

what yall recommend?

[elfin spire]

Have fun, idk

[full lava]

question tho once the event ended will it get it of my character?

[final owl]

moved to keepers

[elfin spire]

Which is current active league

[final owl]

won't have access to the phrecia ascendancy though

[pseudo axle]

its basically a bad time to start poe until new league tbh

[opaque wing]

Depends on your goals but it is a rough spot

[final owl]

it depends what your goals are. i'm sure keepers is fine to run currently

[full lava]

i did try that buttt it wont let me.

says theres no league to move or sum shit

[final owl]

not a choice you get to make. once phrecia over it's characters will automatically be rolled into keepers

[elfin spire]

I started like month ago at best, it's ok.
At least ok if you're moving from Poe 2 to Poe 1.

[full lava]

ooooh

this is like my first poe first time playing

lol

[final owl]

but losing the phrecia ascendancy may potentially brick your build, so no garauntee your phrecia character(s) are particularly usable in keepers

[full lava]

i js grinded the campaign thats why i have lvl 80

and maps and shit

[cobalt blade]

all the aristocrats losing all the % inc damage

[full lava]

i never like fucking search on yt whats the dif

[cobalt blade]

and 8 passives

[full lava]

but ig ill js try to have fun

itll end in 2 days anyway

ill js lvl it up

[pseudo axle]

alright, back up to about 70~ divs, nice, nice. Now what to gamble/farm...

[final owl]

I don't think my oshabi KF is gonna do well in keepers though I am sure a reroll to a standard ascend is viable to some extent

[elfin spire]

I mean, it will be in keeper's league afterwards.
All campaign progress and level's including.

[cobalt blade]

wouldnt it jus be a deadeye respec

get inc damage from clusters instead

[final owl]

yeah pretty much. i'm sure it's doable. more a question of, do i want to

[cobalt blade]

yeah thats fair

[final owl]

I already have a much bettter geared flicker in keepers

[undone gazelle]

with the stuff you have equipped, just turn it into a deadeye kb

[full lava]

sweet thanks big bro thats good to know should u reccomend me not doing the ascendancy trial and js wait 2 days and then do the trial?

[cobalt blade]

prolly just gonna let my shit fall to standard

[elfin spire]

F to my architect of chao's.
No ascendancy is -3 to main gem lvl and also x4 to it's CD

[final owl]

yeah. I'm pretty done with keepers too really, it's probably poe hiatus until 3.28 times or something

[cobalt blade]

vaal cold snap?

[elfin spire]

Yep

[cobalt blade]

nice that builds neat

[elfin spire]

I just wanted something with vaal

[spice pecan]

i think vaal coldsnap glad is still playable

lance did a video on it before phrecia

[cobalt blade]

its playable but not incredible damage afaik

more defense oriented char

[spice pecan]

its cold rf

[elfin spire]

I mean, it's probably also more expensive to build.

[cobalt blade]

you need foulborn shield and thats the only real expensive thing

rathpith for double life inc damage scaling spell/dot

[spice pecan]

i mean it's also an apostate character afaik

so there's that whole thing

[elfin spire]

I have bad damage even inside phercia.
Things going to be rough afterwards.

[cobalt blade]

yeah but tree

that shits cheap to get going

[spice pecan]

thats assuming we think tree will still be good for that

[cobalt blade]

and apostate itself is not expensive

isnt this for keepers rotation talk

/migration

[spice pecan]

i mean sure yeah it goes both ways i guess

i just meant that vaal coldsnap will still be playable after phrecia at least

[cobalt blade]

in a new league it would be mor expensive :p

yee

[elfin spire]

Ok, chaos bloodline has some stuff that kinda looks like architect of chaos ascendancy

[spice pecan]

architect of chao?

[elfin spire]

Yeah, famous asian architect

[empty bronze]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1r68otf/ive_increased_brightness_in_the_teaser_to_reveal/

[thick goblet]

holy login

[gritty epoch]

Not sure if meme post or real at this point

[full lava]

where can i see list of builds?

[umbral crag]

Erh...?

[elfin shale]

Okay so first, gain omniscience

[full lava]

isnt there like list of build for new players?

[umbral crag]

If you're looking for guides as a beginner maxroll is an option

[coarse prawn]

Its a valid question but hard to answer

[finite quail]

maxroll.gg

[elfin shale]

Labyrinth runner stonks UP

[finite quail]

https://maxroll.gg/poe

[gritty epoch]

Maxroll leaugestarter, content creators. Tytykiller's list, ds lily list, zizaran

[final owl]

poe.ninja is the best for finding builds but you do need to have some idea how various skills work to make sense of them I guess

[gritty epoch]

Or hop in this channel a few days before launch and steal ppl's builds

[final owl]

thats where the freshest bait is caught

[coarse prawn]

No matter what everyone say, dont play minions or totems

[gritty epoch]

Ask for a build in this channel and mention that you don't want RF

[cobalt blade]

cant forget the pohx for rf

lol

[tight plinth]

RF

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254758

[gritty epoch]

Saying RF everything someone ask for a build is getting boring... Just like RF /S

[final owl]

I mean, minions are fine in my limited experience. I just don't want to play them cos i find it a little boring. unarguably strong though

[gritty epoch]

GGG should delete RF so the poor man pohx can finally let go /s

[finite quail]

the /S stands for /Serious

[cobalt blade]

just delete chieftain so hes forced to play it as the ascendant setup for an actual char

[gritty epoch]

Delete chieftain so cws players don't have to suffer

[spice pecan]

they'll suffer even more

[cobalt blade]

i think theyd just migrate to ele

[spice pecan]

they'll roll glad and then reddit will be flooded with "why does my cws glad suck at simu????????"

[gritty epoch]

[cobalt blade]

feel like ele into shaper of flames+steal profane would be the way

or just playing no explode ele

[spice pecan]

i feel like people downplay how expensive profane bloom jewels are

[cobalt blade]

oh no i would expect them to be 100-200d each if the cws players go for it

[gritty garnet]

there's also chaos clusters explode & foulborn witchbane?

[cobalt blade]

but they can make do with oriaths early

oh ye foulborn witchbanes prolly staying that would also work

[finite quail]

wdym?

there are cws witches?

[cobalt blade]

^

i think its the most likely class for them to migrate to if that for whatever reason happens

[finite quail]

Ah

[cobalt blade]

either that or glad

[spice pecan]

you can play anything on elementalist i guess

[finite quail]

Inquisitor, perchance

[spice pecan]

and i'm still p sure they'd go glad with oriath's or something

[finite quail]

Yeahhhh for how expensive profane bloom is, its not super worth it

[cobalt blade]

im working under the assumption of defence from ele+golems helping with the early damage

shaper of flames is not too bad for phys

glad just seems miserable damage wise as a start

[spice pecan]

probably would just be another chief vs ele RF type deal

[cobalt blade]

yee

[onyx adder]

Golems need another nerf

Fite me

[spice pecan]

i will not fight you

i want to play wintertide occultist over ele anyways

[onyx adder]

I would love to play anything occultist without feeling bad about it

[cobalt blade]

true

[onyx adder]

This is currently very difficult

[tight plinth]

occu rework is overdue

[final owl]

mental note, play golems in 3.28 if they dodge the nerfbat.

[spice pecan]

didnt they just rework occ in 3.26

with the block node and shit

[tight plinth]

eh?

[split maple]

Kinda funny how different build ladder is this league for trade vs ssf

[tight plinth]

they added one line of text, thats hardly a rework 😭

[spice pecan]

i thought they also added the stun/freeze immune stuff

idk

[onyx adder]

Vile bastion has given stun immune since like 2015

[cobalt blade]

that was already there

was just the vile bastion change which was a good one but it needs more lol

(to compete with ele* ascends still good in a vacuum)

[onyx adder]

The fundamental problem with occ is that its one of the only ascendancies that gives no speed of any description

[tight plinth]

they gonna change the more cold damage to phys as extra cold like they did hatred

[onyx adder]

This means that if ur not playing a build that is naturally very quick it always feels dogshit

And profane bloom doesnt help much on most builds since its hard to make the explosions chain properly and often you dont scale it super high

Profane bloom secretly one of the most overrated explodies in poe

[spice pecan]

your only option for explode chaining is like poison right

and that's not even real

[cobalt blade]

glad and heiro also dont

[cobalt blade]

or stealing shaper of flames

but ye

hoag for global poison chance and jewels for global poison

[onyx adder]

They give at least attack/cast speed

Occ doesnt even do that

So u run slow and u use ur skills slow

[split maple]

Bloodlines compensate a tad there no?

[onyx adder]

One thing bloodlines are pretty bad at is giving u speed tbh

[split maple]

Farul

[cobalt blade]

i would argue for the early stun immune/freeze/chill offsetting this

[tight plinth]

has occultist always been tied to cold damage?

[cobalt blade]

lets you go soul of lunaris for 4-8% move speed while mapping

[spice pecan]

cold and chaos pretty much always iirc

[cobalt blade]

instead of being forced into brine king early

also just fuck stun

[final owl]

I mean very evidently ggg is reluctant to add significantly more zoom to either poe

[empty bronze]

the best minion is Summon Reaper of Eviscerating

[onyx adder]

This is pretty copium but i will concede the point on technical grounds

[onyx adder]

Yea sure the point im making tho is if u have actual 0 zoom it feels bad

Even with natural explodies

[cobalt blade]

i dont understand how when you basically always play brine king early

[final owl]

I mean I just ran frostbearers iirc. I know nussink about most minions

[tight plinth]

best minion is spectre of transience, because its the spectres we made along the way

ill see myself out

[empty bronze]

Summon Reaper of Eviscerating is actually a self cast spell

the minion attacks whenever you cast it

[onyx adder]

The radius on lunaris nearby is kinda bad iirc

Its like 30 or some shit so its not up a lot of the time

Not running brine king is nice but more for the DR than any other benefit

And occ is alrdy fine defensively its just slow as shit

[cobalt blade]

was p sure it was in the 5-6m range for the nearby

[spice pecan]

nearby is nearby of course

[cobalt blade]

could be .1m could be 8m who knows

[onyx adder]

The only nearby that u dont need to test is if its on an ascendancy

Theyre always 60

[cobalt blade]

bloom and master toxicism are around the 1.5m-2m range as a small correction

6m bloom would be nuts

[onyx adder]

Bloom doesnt have nearby text, but sure yea master toxicist is the one exception

[spice pecan]

maybe because it's nearby to the enemy and not to the player idk

[cobalt blade]

true but i could point out atleast one other off the top of my head that i know from void valdo farmers

born in the shadows is a bit less than 4m

[onyx adder]

Huh thats true

[cobalt blade]

dunno if theres another one tho

[onyx adder]

I didnt even know

[cobalt blade]

p sure for master toxicist its just because 6m prolif would be absurd

thats like 65-70% of a 16:9 screen

[tight plinth]

prolifing poison from enemy in front to the enemy behind

[final owl]

shame mechanics like prolif are problematic because they are prettty fun

[spice pecan]

imagine if ggg gave us lightning dot and it was like THE prolif dot

[onyx adder]

Pathfinder prolif unfortunately is unscalable so less fun

[final owl]

i mean if there was going to be an OP dot it would be lightning based i guess

[onyx adder]

Most other explosions u can make very large

Nearby is always nearby

[cobalt blade]

almost certainly because of doryanis

[solar smelt]

So how we feel about the tree going core?

[final owl]

well, true. But also just because GGG seems to love having lightning skills be the OP ones

[cobalt blade]

theres so few sources of things that scale dot actually getting mobs to -200 res is massive lmfao

[tranquil sedge]

dislike the idea immensely
but its been decided by ggg so it is what it is

[cobalt blade]

i hope its shot

[tranquil sedge]

hopefully as with all things going core, it gets super nerfed

[cobalt blade]

and just for uniques

[solar smelt]

Why do you dislike it?

[tranquil sedge]

both wombgift droprates and tree nodes

[final owl]

yeah i hope it's nerfed hard tbh, I don't want to feel like I have to run it, though i suspect that might be how it pans out

[golden timber]

Why do you hate it? Is it because of early gear being super easy to get?

[final owl]

any mechanic being so much better than others just means you feel compelled to use it. which kind of sucks from a player choice perspective

[golden timber]

Sure I understand that but is early gearing the reason? Why is tree so op

[onyx adder]

Im not suuuuper worried about it balance wise

[solar smelt]

I actively only use the mapping part of settlers cuz I cant be assed to do the other stuff

[tranquil sedge]

for relatively obvious reasons

devalues expedition (rog mainly, tujen to a lesser extent), legion (ornate incubators are a large chunk of early legion), harbinger (less value of bubblegum, less value of frac orbs), ground loot (bases, fractures, overquality), and affects any strategy that used to beused to farm uniques (exiles, etc.)

[onyx adder]

Since tree scales like crap

[final owl]

it really makes most other previously favoured league start mechanics irrelevant for a start which isn't great. Not convinced making early gearing as trivial as tree does is great either.

[tranquil sedge]

early gearing was made easy before tree with gold vendors since 3.25 anyway

[golden timber]

I seeee it just dips it's toes in too many pies

[onyx adder]

I mean i dont think its going live with current power level lul

[tranquil sedge]

far too much impact on the rest of the game

[final owl]

getting that raw div drop and spending it on a semi decent 6L used to be a high note on a league progression, now it's just kinda whatever

[tranquil sedge]

its fun as a seasonal mechanic

but it doesn't belong in core

[onyx adder]

Not unless they give league-to-core balance to the intern again and we get harvest

[solar smelt]

We don't even know what the tree will require since graftblood is being removed, so it could be that unless you invest heavily into breach the tree is useless

[tranquil sedge]

its not that the tree cannot be balanced

im sure with effort you can balance it

the question is, will it be?

[final owl]

it would be easy enough for them to bring it in line with other mechanics. the question is will they, and in typical GGG fashion they are leaving out a lot of important details at this point

[onyx adder]

Honestly i want kingsmarch nerfs even more than tree balance

[tranquil sedge]

this is ggg my guy

content usually gets neutered when it goes core but who the fuck knows anymore with this company dude

[onyx adder]

Even if tree is still op

[tranquil sedge]

eh
kingsmarch is less offensive ngl

[onyx adder]

It wont matter

[tranquil sedge]

like, a lot less

[onyx adder]

U can just afk boat

[solar smelt]

The issue here is that people are too hellbent on trying to min max everything by doing the best possible solution instead of just doing what they want

[onyx adder]

Kingsmarch is horrendous wym

It gives u piles of shit for not playing poe

[final owl]

I mean I feel relatively fine with not touching kingsmarch at this point, even if i might send a handful of early shipments fishing for divs or tats / grafts

granted ships are the only reason i was as wealthy as i was in keepers

[tranquil sedge]

ill be a little more clear

yes i also don't like that it rewards progress when ur not playing the game either it feels like a fucking mobile game
BUT
the math on boats works out that 50m shipments are less than 0.5div/hr, at most if you're super lucky on tattoos and shards you might push that to 1d/hr with 1k+ mirrors

[final owl]

as i did 2 shipments that netted over 140d each iirc

[tranquil sedge]

and how many days did that take you lol

if those were 50m that was a minimum of ~15 days after getting farmers to begin with, assuming you bought all dust

[onyx adder]

Yea but that hour is hours ur not necessarily playing or taking any ingame risk

[solar smelt]

You have to actively play the game to maintain enough gold to keep everything running, not to mention needing to run the ore nodes and actively refine stuff to get the dust. It's not afk at all unless you farm it with the intent of asking it

[cobalt blade]

afaik this is based on week 1-2 mirror shard prices

[tranquil sedge]

You have to actively play the game to maintain enough gold to keep everything running
nah this argument loses water pretty fast

[cobalt blade]

and also excluding runegraft of the angler since we arent sure how rare it is exactly

[tranquil sedge]

when you realize you only need 300-400k gold a day to keep farmers going

especially if you just buy one gold rota for 10 minutes then ur done for 1 week lol

[final owl]

more or less the size of it. I know the time invested can make more money via other things.. but with shipping I can do whatever I like and still expect to make decent money over time

[terse sleet]

I hate kingsmarch… and just don’t do it

[tranquil sedge]

im assuming this in the best case scenario lol

with like 1k div mirror prices

[solar smelt]

Which is as it should be if you hate a mechanic

[tranquil sedge]

i dont like that kingsmarch exists as it is
but the only reason i dont shit on it as much as i shat on tree in keepers is coz its not that overpowered

like, if i skip doing shipments for one league i wont beat myself up over it

[cobalt blade]

math on boats is slightly better than that on 400-500div mirrors afaik though

[final owl]

i mean big rewards from shipping do mostly require large amounts of time and faff investment

[tranquil sedge]

in raw div/hr bigger mir price is nicer
but in purchasing power (economy wise) earlier is better ye

[tranquil sedge]

the main argument is that this isn't active time

[cobalt blade]

ye

[tranquil sedge]

and the 'investment' is just gold (which you get anyway) and dust (which you can buy and have the cost covered even if ur shipment fails)

[cobalt blade]

personally tho fuck kingsmarch its just a chore to do

[tranquil sedge]

like a 50m shipment will get u some divs (or even many divs if ur lucky) in tattoos and like 10-15 raw div

[final owl]

sure, and i agree. seemingly i can just be patient for a couple of weeks, but I struggle to invest the same degree of effort into running mapping strats or whatever. I get distracted easily

[tranquil sedge]

also

the fact that it gives raw mirror shards when you send 50m is actually a good thing

coz mirror demand will never decrease

[final owl]

in keepers at least it just came down to eventually having enough gold that i just thought i may as well

[onyx adder]

Be real brother the amount of gold and mats u need to set up kingsmarch farms is like 2% of ur time

Ok but thats just balance lul

Doesnt make sense to shit on balance that u dont know what it will be at all yet

[cobalt blade]

imo they should increase mirror shard drop rate from harby if their willing to let ships print so many

[tranquil sedge]

mirror shards are probably one of the few things it could have rewarded like that without actually screwing the economy

[cobalt blade]

:3

[onyx adder]

Man discord failure

[tranquil sedge]

lol wtd did you have an internet issue xd

that came so fast

[onyx adder]

Post 5 mins of messages at once

Anyway core point is balance is hard to talk about atm

[cobalt blade]

its been taking me about 2-3m gold to do full t5 farmers shippers mappers and disenchanters every league

[onyx adder]

Design is easier because its not like ggg will completely change that

[tranquil sedge]

that sounds correct

[cobalt blade]

ignoring the whole ore part

[final owl]

oh i don't bother with mappers even though i have the impression they mightt be better value / gold

[cobalt blade]

so yeah its not alot of time to get going but its just annoying as fuck

[tranquil sedge]

i mean

if micromanaging kingsmarch is part of why someone dislikes it

then mappers are far worse than shippers

[cobalt blade]

its good/okay div/hr if you toss guardian maps into them

[onyx adder]

Yes

[tranquil sedge]

whats a ballpark estimate on that

[final owl]

yeah thats part of it. I don't like feeling the need to pop into kingsmarch every 15 minuttes

[onyx adder]

For me its that it is largely passive rewards

[tranquil sedge]

its more like every some hours

[onyx adder]

So its almost definitionally inefficent to not do it

[cobalt blade]

depends on the league but you practically always get 100% completion on white ones

[tranquil sedge]

i think 3-4h? but ye thats relatively often

[cobalt blade]

so whatever fragment price is

[tranquil sedge]

theres no way ur putting white maps in heck

[final owl]

i am only being mildly hyperbolic

[tranquil sedge]

sir alch and vaal that shit

[onyx adder]

And i dont like it when its definitionally inefficient to do things that are supposed to be optional

[tranquil sedge]

ur failure rate will always cap at 1%

[cobalt blade]

for guardians i do white

[tranquil sedge]

why

[onyx adder]

Especially when i fucking hate em personally

[tranquil sedge]

that's fair

[cobalt blade]

cos fragments are consistent

[tranquil sedge]

ya but its not gonna lower ur fail rate

[cobalt blade]

and they dont give one if they get less than 100%

[tranquil sedge]

oh

nvm

[cobalt blade]

yep

[tranquil sedge]

ur right

[cobalt blade]

for defiled i alch n vaal though

full 8 mod

[tranquil sedge]

i did run a shitton of excess guardian maps in the mappers

honestly the maps are cheap enough that i didnt care if it gave frags or not
but fair enough

[cobalt blade]

ye i just like dumping them in there since fuck running elder guardians

[tranquil sedge]

best loot i got out of a couple weeks of mappers was 1 hinekora's lock i think that was my luck for the league there

[cobalt blade]

run the elders sell watchers eyes

[tranquil sedge]

those are my favorite thing to run LOL

[cobalt blade]

horrid

[tranquil sedge]

elder guardians ftw

[cobalt blade]

its too much down time

[hard cliff]

@tranquil sedge @cobalt blade
hug 🤗

[tranquil sedge]

i get a little time to relax at the boss without being inefficient

[final owl]

so much hopping through poopy portals

[tranquil sedge]

and since other people don't like it as much, my profit margins are higher

[cobalt blade]

[cobalt blade]

ye fair enough

[tranquil sedge]

why does 🤗 look like the emoji is about to grope you lol

[onyx adder]

Thats the psycho creeper hug emoji

🫂

[tranquil sedge]

yep

[onyx adder]

This is the good one

[cobalt blade]

reminds me of gachi handsup now that you mention that lmao

[tight plinth]

pira smells

[final owl]

doesn't everyone

[tranquil sedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sniff-nose

[ocean field]

why do people use imperial skean instead of the the other 2 for cast on crit

[cobalt blade]

atk speed

[spice pecan]

attack speed

[ocean field]

is that the only reason

[final owl]

tis fast

[ocean field]

tf

[cobalt blade]

you want to reach 7.57~ if you have a bit of cdr

[ocean field]

how

[cobalt blade]

1.2 aps is a pita to do that on

[final owl]

bigger number more easy for multiply

[ocean field]

yeah but is it better than the 0.5 crit

and 20% more global

wild

[cobalt blade]

yes because you can crit cap and that inc crit is additive with all your other inc crit

[onyx adder]

Yes, and by asking the question this way u have sentenced urself to reading coc guides until u get it

[final owl]

idk. reasonable to suspect at least some of the users have pobbed the truth out of that.

[ocean field]

fair

[tranquil sedge]

20% global crit chance is nothing compared to that much more local attack speed

[ocean field]

yeah I guess

[tranquil sedge]

local mods set the base value that everything scales, you generally want to prioritize those where possible

[onyx adder]

Man said 20% more global

Who wants to ackshually

[tranquil sedge]

well 50% is 20% more than 30% 🤓

[cobalt blade]

and +.3 base aps is way more valuable than the local crit

[tranquil sedge]

we all know what he meant 😄

[onyx adder]

Well i mean when a person incorrectly thinks option A is WAY WAY better than option B

[cobalt blade]

technically its 67% more and i fucking hate that its that

[onyx adder]

And they use more instead of increased

[tranquil sedge]

pff

semantics

[cobalt blade]

30+67% is 50.1 or smth

[onyx adder]

One possible explanation is they think its actually more

[full lava]

is it better to go keepers? compare to phracia

[tranquil sedge]

phrecia ends on 19th feb

keepers ends on 2nd march

what do you think? 😄

(yes, if ur playing now, go keepers)

[final owl]

phrecia ends in 2 days and your character will at least need some rejigging to work in keepers. at this point keepers is the obvious choice i think

[onyx adder]

Or alternatively practice ur 36 hour no sleep uber runs

[tranquil sedge]

unless you can finish your goals for phrecia in 2 days

[full lava]

okay thanks

[tranquil sedge]

or just want to get the free box (i think there's one?) and quit

[cobalt blade]

group play uber rush practice

[ocean field]

just wait for next league bro

[final owl]

2, @ 50 and @ 90

[onyx adder]

I got the worlds ugliest portal

[final owl]

haha i got an ugly portal too

[ocean field]

I got the default one bruh

[final owl]

and some crappy gloves. sadge

[cobalt blade]

i got the spynx cat from one and the crystal level up explosion effect from the other

[final owl]

but it's the opportunity to be blessed by our lord and saviour, gamblor that we are really chasing

[onyx adder]

This is why ppl shouldnt play for the free box unless they live in zambia or something

It works out to be actual copper mine naked slave money per hour

[final owl]

we know we will get crap, but it is the potenttial to get something good that works as a nice carrot

[spice pecan]

not everyone can work but yeah

[cobalt blade]

just play the event cos you find it fun over for box

who gives af about cosmetics in games anyway

[spice pecan]

but tbh the length of the event is what screwed it i think

[final owl]

i saw so many people whinging their way to 90 on phrecia. like. what are you doing. it is impossible for the 2 mystery boxes to be sufficient reward for doing something you are hating for hours.

[spice pecan]

i think if it were longer, ppl would have put actual time into it rather than just hitting 90 and bouncing

[onyx adder]

One presumes that even the terminally unemployed can find more productive things to do than one tenth of three bucks of pixels per hour

[cobalt blade]

i wish they started it a month or so before they did

[spice pecan]

like i wasnt really able to play the first week or so, so with only 2 weeks might as well play a little bit

[onyx adder]

Which is why i tell ppl if ur not gonna have fun dont play

Ppl actually play for the box and complain the whole way

[spice pecan]

playing for the boxes =/= not having fun, at least in my case

[onyx adder]

Its psychotic

[spice pecan]

yeah, i had fun doing it

[final owl]

oh, it was an awkward combination of length of event, combined with surprise gauntlet mechanics that turned a lot of people off sure

[onyx adder]

Yer

[spice pecan]

i just didn't want to go past 90 because of the amount of time i had to play

[cobalt blade]

gauntlet mechanics werent a surprise though it was in the post theyd be adding stuff to campaign