1┃general

[manic thorn]

I mean the temple in the style of poe2. right now it's a bit different

[finite quail]

You legit shouldnt think that

[viscid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-emoji-gif-20670145

[finite quail]

No thats not coming to poe 1

[tranquil sedge]

that node is for the dot version so its not a big deal yea, dot cap keeps it in check
its hit mamba that's busted

[soft perch]

why not

[manic thorn]

I hope so...

[soft perch]

theres a ton of blank frames on this teaser

[finite quail]

Because its unlikely

[finite quail]

I hope not

[soft perch]

imo

[split palm]

1_Infraction be upon ye buddy

[viscid ruin]

was mamba nerfed?

[soft perch]

its more likely than scav going core

[viscid ruin]

and what about venom gyre?

[opal ingot]

srev give me one fun fact about viper strike of the mamba

[short seal]

didnt even know hit mamba was a thing lol. you would happen to have a pob or something i could look at for it?

[soft perch]

why would they show all those blank frames on the passives

after the screen flashes

i dont think its overthinking it

[finite quail]

Its way, way, way more likely for the character with one ascendancy to get one new ascendancy compared to every other character with three ascendancies

[tranquil sedge]

big dick damage effectiveness if you play as hit

super tanky if you got the dot version

[cosmic eagle]

no map effects means another box league, it dont matter if they buff other content to drop shit if the atlas map effects are still missing it's still shit

[soft perch]

but its not tho

[tranquil sedge]

sure, any int/acc stackers from this league
lemme get you a pob

[soft perch]

think about the vibe of the video

[finite quail]

But it is tho

[soft perch]

'there is still so much to learn'

https://youtu.be/rproexuBug4?t=10

[fringe ermine]

I think Scavenger is going core, and a few nodes will be replaced to normal ascendencies and others to bloodlines

[soft perch]

there are equal blank frames on the nodes

[finite quail]

Yes I already watched

you dont need to link it

[soft perch]

as there are to filled frames

[finite quail]

I already saw

I still disagree with you

[opal ingot]

grok can you summarize this for me

[finite quail]

Scav going core is more likely

[soft perch]

its not more likely lmao

dont be dense

[short seal]

scion has always been weird since its only had 1 acendancy. I think you are right and she'll get a second (maybe third as well??)

[manic thorn]

i don't understand why they don't add dodge to this game

[finite quail]

It is

[soft perch]

the video is deliberate

u are learning new nodes

[opal ingot]

good facts though

[finite quail]

You can keep your opinion to yourself

[soft perch]

why would they show the blank frames and the flashes

[finite quail]

and I'll keep mine

[soft perch]

its not an opinion

[short seal]

this league as in phrecia or keepers?

[soft perch]

think please

[finite quail]

It is an opinion

[native token]

maybe they remove async cheating

[soft perch]

why would they show those frames xd

[finite quail]

Keep your opinion to yourself

I will keep mine

[soft perch]

jesus christ

[cobalt blade]

technically dodge

[tranquil sedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers?skills=Viper+Strike+of+the+Mamba&sort=dps

peek at some of these 😄

these numbers are obviously an extreme scenario enabled by foulborn hand, but the point remains about its damage effectiveness

[opal ingot]

because we have tons of dodge already

[tranquil sedge]

both, linked u a poe ninja above

[finite quail]

PLEASE accept the fact that other people think differently than you

[tranquil sedge]

foulborn unique is the main thing

[opal ingot]

iirc mamba has the highest damage effectiveness out of all strike skills no?

[peak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/your-not-a-sigma-sorry-you-ain't-him-bro-is-not-him-gif-14261336311648900928

[soft perch]

yep the screen flash into nothing

is for no reason

opinion!

[finite quail]

because poe 1 was never designed for it

[tranquil sedge]

fellas

[soft perch]

my opinion is that i ignore things

[fossil mural]

but what about the teaser suggests scav going core?

[tranquil sedge]

you'll find out in 10 days

[soft perch]

yippie

[tranquil sedge]

just set up a remindme or something

[manic thorn]

not the dodge. We have something different in poe 1. When i start a new pg i feel the difference

[limber lance]

Yeah, the word was even highlighted. New leaguemechanic probably offers some kind of new ascendancy progression

[soft perch]

i agree

it very clearly points to more than scav going core

otherwise it wouldnt have so many deliberate parts to it

[tranquil geyser]

you will be able to put any unique weapon you want. from some unique pool I think

[icy zinc]

need a ggg dev saying its not sekhema again or smth

[cobalt blade]

worse than smite

[elfin shale]

What if you need to use Starforge on Scavenger while wielding Voidforge and get an Echoforge to drop from Maven for a new unique

[cobalt blade]

just claws cant use smite

[fossil mural]

I dont see how anything suggests scav is going core

[soft perch]

i think it suggests something like scav is going core

[opal ingot]

you know a lot of things, can i turn you to a chatbot so i can ask you anytime

[icy zinc]

yeah the boxes are fading out

[soft perch]

but the blank nodes really points towards cube

imo

[cobalt blade]

💀

[soft perch]

and the theme of the video is learning

[short seal]

guessing mamba just to dodge the AS reduction then? kinda forgot viper stike and mamba bonk with both weapons

[finite quail]

That phrecia is ending and there is still so much more to learn implies that something from phrecia will be coming to the base game, and it showing Scavenger and her tree implies its that coming to the base game. THINK, why would they show nodes that HAVE BEEN CHANGED if they werent going to add the ascendancy?

[tranquil sedge]

its because it hits with both your weapons ye

[limber lance]

Hey guys its G from GGG, and the 15 second video means trials of sekhemas is replacing acts 1-10. you were all fooled

[cosmic eagle]

hold your hype people, wait for the patch notes, if they double down on no atlas map effects again it will be another boxes league again

[tranquil sedge]

it makes its damage effectiveness really high for a hit

[crisp obsidian]

ye but smite has 85% attack speed

[finite quail]

I have not done a box strat for like the last 4 leagues bro

[crisp obsidian]

while mamba is 100%

[finite quail]

I do not care for boxes

[crisp obsidian]

so that's why mamba is superior

[fossil mural]

They arent showing nodes getting changed doe

[cobalt blade]

reg viper strike has 30% less attack speed and 20% less damage while dual wielding

[icy zinc]

hooooly mamba non poison

[short seal]

they did a reddit post saying no sekhemas

[finite quail]

bro, go look at the nodes on the video, and then look at the scav nodes we currently have

[icy zinc]

[crisp obsidian]

probably strongest strike skill xdd

[grizzled lily]

hi are we getting the scavenger ascendency?

[finite quail]

good job missing the joke

[fossil mural]

And "something" from phrecia doesnt mean scav

[finite quail]

nothing is confirmed

[grizzled lily]

thats sp cool

[finite quail]

except we ARE LITERALLY SHOWN SCAV

[icy zinc]

yeah cause it doesnt require extra sht like frenzy strike of onslaught with frenzy ralakesh since every hits on frenzy strike of onslaught removes frenzies

but still

[fossil mural]

and the scav tree is the only thing that gives you uniques bonuses without uniques themself

[soft perch]

yea theyre also showing scav with blank nodes

💀

[cosmic eagle]

surely yall enjoy another containment boxes league again

[soft perch]

💀

💀

[cobalt blade]

ay but thats offset by the double hit of smite most of the time

[soft perch]

the screen flashes and the nodes go blank

like cmon

[finite quail]

I'm sure you will

[cobalt blade]

+yknow smite is jus a funner skill

[finite quail]

I don't play with boxes tho

[crisp obsidian]

mamba uses both weapons so it is DEx2

[limber lance]

New league replaces all ascendancy points with t17 mods

[finite quail]

[icy zinc]

the screen flash is reference to epilepsy awareness

[grizzled lily]

if we get scavenger ill be hyped

[fossil mural]

and nodes disappearing is an ode to getting dementia

[cobalt blade]

ye

[cosmic eagle]

the screen flash of emptiness means the maps will have no loot again

[finite quail]

omg... delirium 2.0...

[golden timber]

its always no loot untill a week passes and suddenly too much loot and "inflation"

[icy zinc]

pillars of arun was showed because it gets deleted, fk that map no offence!

[fossil mural]

scavenger as a bloodlines sounds sick - scav going core sounds like pretending to add new content

[cobalt blade]

monkey paw curls and arun is getting deleted because moveskills are

[tranquil sedge]

i love how active the chat became after the teaser dropped

teaser season is hype af

[soft perch]

based

[latent cedar]

Make scion great again

[tranquil sedge]

i also love just how many arguments break out so fast

10/10 ggg please keep it going

[cosmic eagle]

wrong, every gamers who played phrecia 1 wanted scav to go core

[finite quail]

PLEASE GGG

MORE TEASERS

[cosmic eagle]

it took them phrecia 2.0 to do that thing

[opal ingot]

im liking the new ascendancy

[soft perch]

based

[dusky void]

does automation and steelskin can prov guardians spell block if spell casted recantly?

[fossil mural]

reverting area scaling nerfs

[cobalt blade]

tailwind on hit but it just gives mobs tailwind

[signal hawk]

What fuck does that mean GGG?

[finite quail]

automation doesnt cast spelsl

it triggers them

[opal ingot]

lmao

[tranquil sedge]

triggers are not the same as you casting

[cobalt blade]

nah i still prefer reg ascendant

only upside imo of scav is low life node

and im hoping its both and we can steal that with forbidden jewels

[finite quail]

+3 additional projectiles to all monsters

[normal hedge]

just missing the other ones

[finite quail]

trickster nerfed again

[opal ingot]

:)

[finite quail]

NACA

NACA

IMAGINE

IMAGINE IF WE GOT PHRECIA FORBIDDEN JEWELS

[cobalt blade]

exactly

[finite quail]

OH MY GOD

oh my god

god imagine the possibilities

[cobalt blade]

shavs would be so broken on 2 jewel sockets for a spell aura stack ascendant

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sniff-gif-3199815179106739551

YES

[fossil mural]

poo2 moment

[finite quail]

https://giphy.com/gifs/god-of-war-kratos-6o5IfRXmf2tNi6tZkB

GGG PLEASE

PHRECIA FORBIDDEN JEWELS

MAKE THEM DROP FROM MEMORY BOSSES

SO THEY ARE SCARCE

[opal ingot]

lmao

[signal hawk]

Announcement will be Phrecia 3.0 Krangled Tree

I'm putting 4 alteration orbs in it

[cobalt blade]

remembered only drop

[opal ingot]

will they revert remembered invitation

[cosmic eagle]

hear me out, the theme for 3.28 is hourglass, the trailer feels like it was made back when chris wilson made his house as ggg office

we going back in time, we gonna play old leagues, we gonna play lake of kalandra

[soft perch]

quote me when its not scav going core

[finite quail]

legacy league 2

[soft perch]

so i can feel very smug about being right again

[fossil mural]

lake and all the nerfs happen again

[opal ingot]

or am i gonna keep using this

[finite quail]

Path of Exile 1 CLASSIC comes out

[fossil mural]

so its just tile loot

[cobalt blade]

cochth

[fossil mural]

why are the arrows like that

[finite quail]

why bother with arrows, just color the names

[cosmic eagle]

everyone knows scav going core already bud

[finite quail]

[cosmic eagle]

that has been the number 1 request ever since phrecia 1 ended

[normal hedge]

now release druid

[fossil mural]

by whom

you?

[soft perch]

watch this space buddy

[fossil mural]

[soft perch]

ur getting cube

[cosmic eagle]

everyone in reddit and in this server lmao

[fossil mural]

D3 good?

[cosmic eagle]

[normal hedge]

d3 is really good

for 1 or 2 days

then u're hitting 500b dps

[opal ingot]

d3 has a place in my heart

[cobalt blade]

wtf do you mean that slike hour 5 of d3

1-2 days your in the trillions

[fossil mural]

diablo is a game where they got multiplier for multiplier for multpliers

gotta love that

[finite quail]

d3 is alright

Played it for quite some time before I got to poe

[soft perch]

yea bro i wonder what we're learning

could be anything

[finite quail]

never played anything beyond my whirlwind barb cause making new characters was such a slog

[crisp obsidian]

I want to see the crashout when those blank notables have no meaning

[tranquil geyser]

to learn any mod from unique items you want. that's why they are black. you can fill it with your choice

[finite quail]

TRUE

[crisp obsidian]

in d3?? it is so easy lul

[finite quail]

cant wait to tell em I TOLD YOU SO

[hard cliff]

Bro I wanna play a rage vortex one day

[cosmic eagle]

you will learn how they made that trailer coz the quality screams 2011 trailer

[finite quail]

yes exactly

[cosmic eagle]

[finite quail]

it is very easy

[hard cliff]

Can you imagine

[cobalt blade]

surely it means we can destroy uniques to put them on nodes totally not copium

[finite quail]

But its so unfun and such a slog to get through

[hard cliff]

I guess no infinite rage node like phrecia would brick it tho

[crisp obsidian]

slog means it takes a long time

or slow pace

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/girl-swamp-nastay-TeLeXhrNeoZAk

He's slogging it out

[opal ingot]

every minor node is "can't use X slot"

[fossil mural]

oh no, the s-word

[hard cliff]

Slogga

[pseudo axle]

uber maven sure does have some jackpot outcomes

[soft perch]

despair

[opal ingot]

how much is that

[dark sequoia]

60% scion play rate league?

[pseudo axle]

40 div minimum

[opal ingot]

that's crazy

[pseudo axle]

gonna sell it for a bit under, prob 38-37 div

[opal ingot]

yeah you better

[pseudo axle]

the woke fork support is 11 div

gonna sell for 10

[crisp obsidian]

99%

[narrow yoke]

was that a new class or just ascendency?

[finite quail]

It was a slow pace for me

[opal ingot]

im part ofthe 1%

unless that scavenger has some shit that makes ts great again

[frigid wedge]

yey

is slower again

[finite quail]

doomfletch node replaced with a Widowhail node

150% increased bonuses gained from equipped quiver

[hard cliff]

[opal ingot]

oh god

[finite quail]

That would be so big

So busted too

[soft perch]

scavenger except ur actually scavenging for unique affixes

peak

[crisp obsidian]

w0w mageblood as ascendancy w0w

[crisp obsidian]

?

[finite quail]

I've been seeing this recently on new ytb vids

for like

no reason

[crisp obsidian]

you need to verificate your age to see comments

[cosmic eagle]

scav nodes gonna be foulborn versions instead

[opal ingot]

i have an idea

[finite quail]

It doesnt happen with old videos though

[opal ingot]

you consume a unique item and have a chance to randomly select an affix, smaller chance to select multiple affixes

then when youconsume a mageblood, you only get "Magic Utility Flasks cannot be Used"

[cobalt blade]

id sac 5 magebloods to hit if that was a thing

[opal ingot]

yeah youtube been werid lately

even shorts says "cannot play this video" and you have to refresh to get it

or the comments being disabled or the description even

until you refresh onceor twice

[finite quail]

found the youtube shorts user

[pulsar dune]

there is a fair bit of broken bullshit if you can pick and choose unique affixes

[opal ingot]

i try to take it off but i just can't help it XD

even got an extension for youtbue pc but my phone has it

it's poison

[crisp obsidian]

youtube shorts are atleast good

[fossil mural]

theyll probably get giga nerfed if thats the case

[opal ingot]

so i went so far as to uninstall/disable youtube

[finite quail]

oh get rid of the youtube app on your phone

get mozilla firefox

and then add adblockers on it

and shorts blockers

[opal ingot]

and if i want to yt, i go to browser (and end up watching shorts there sometimes anyway)

[opal ingot]

ah nice

[finite quail]

voila, mobile youtube without ads and without additional slop shit added ontop

[opal ingot]

i was using brave for phone

[finite quail]

If you dont want shorts on pc, get the chrome Unhook addon

[opal ingot]

its fine, i dont shorts for that, but htanks anyways

[finite quail]

oh

[cobalt blade]

the obvious ones are loreweave skin of the lords/loyal and apostate to me +ofc belts

[fossil mural]

why wouldnt I want them? there is so much gооning stuff there

[opal ingot]

no way it gets added

if it does, then...

i dont know

[peak heron]

https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-3136629546574604277

[finite quail]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

What did you say?

[soft perch]

mewgenics into poe1 league combo

we eating good this february/march

[split maple]

whats the div card for t1 move speed?

on flask

[opal ingot]

cheater? cheetah

forgot

[soft perch]

cheetah

[opal ingot]

SHORTCUT

[split maple]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Shortcut

[opal ingot]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Shortcut

[split maple]

oh nice ty

[hard cliff]

if they want my drivers license to be able to talk to people in this discourd I am DONE

[soft perch]

wait im cooked it is shortcut not cheetah

[split maple]

"The Shortcut has restrictions on where or how it can drop. Drops in Vaal side areas and Labyrinth Trial areas of area level 80+."

why the fuck

[opal ingot]

cheetah the name of the flask

[hard cliff]

How I walk into the gym slamming a shitty energy drink

[fossil mural]

most commonly asked question in poe

[icy zinc]

[native abyss]

thats me off the goop

[opal ingot]

i love energy drinks

[soft perch]

it makes sense

[opal ingot]

(only 1 brand i like)

[soft perch]

theyre like a side alley

[soft perch]

based

[opal ingot]

the rest feels like they just slammed sugar on it

[icy zinc]

@hard cliff like this

[cobalt blade]

i wonder how many people have even gotten it outside of a stacked deck

[hard cliff]

I'm trying to replace energy drinks with coffee

[soft perch]

nothing feels better than ur morning ice cold red bull

[hard cliff]

GOTTA GO FAST

[icy zinc]

bonk atomic punch

[opal ingot]

cobra energy drink my beloved

[soft perch]

https://tenor.com/view/scout-scout-tf2-start-running-scout-fact-steam-gif-24660136

[opal ingot]

i tried monster, it's WAY too sweet

i heard the white monster is less sugary though

[worldly bridge]

Scion rework please

[icy zinc]

oh sh

[worldly bridge]

I want a reason to play her

[opal ingot]

i wonder why ggg hasn't sold animations yet for attacks/idles and whatnot, have they done that?

[soft perch]

ngl

i miss tf2 so much

[spring glen]

Wtf is that new poster

[soft perch]

scout is peak movement shooter

[spring glen]

New scion ascendancy?

[opal ingot]

scout my favorite too

even though i suck at it

[fallow viper]

Mana doesn't prevent melee attacks? No way that's gonna be permanent right? That sounds broken af lol

[tranquil umbra]

oh yeah new server banner tf

I mean

[spring glen]

Not really, at cost if half ascendancy its actuslly weak

[tranquil umbra]

you can achieve 0 cost attacks

relatively easily

[split maple]

isnt that already influenced mod

on chest iirc?

[spring glen]

It is

[split maple]

or was it two hander

[tranquil umbra]

you can also just

crafting bench rings

with -cost

[split maple]

like i remember flicker strike using that

[spring glen]

But how the fucj would you reach the right side of that ascendancy

[hazy kiln]

we've talked about stuff like this in the past, basically because the PoE1 character rigs are so old and because each character has completely separate rigs/animations, we generally avoid making new animations for them

[tranquil umbra]

that's a "pick one of many" node

[split maple]

idk if any non-slam build can justify tree investment needed for actual 0 mana cost tho

[fallow viper]

oh wait it's 2 travel nodes... Yea that makes more sense lol

[opal ingot]

ohh got it. thanks for taking the time to answer my curiosity :D

[tranquil umbra]

well the ascendency is exclusively for melee skills

[hazy kiln]

this interview touches on this stuff a bit as well IIRC

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3911213

[spring glen]

@hazy kiln well you start from center and end up at right side, you need 9 nodes

[crisp obsidian]

so with the new character rigs this might be a possibility in future?

[opal ingot]

neat

[tranquil umbra]

count again

[soft perch]

@hazy kiln when are we getting fortnite dances as mtx

[opal ingot]

wtf

is he filipino

[tranquil umbra]

I'll play fucking eblade if scav goes core

[hazy kiln]

if we ever bring the PoE2 character rig back to PoE1, sure. I'm not sure whether that will happen, you'd probably know more than me if you've been keeping up with interviews

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/pinoy-pride-philippine-flag-philippines-gif-20327958

[crisp obsidian]

last time I heard they will be coming after all mtx is done for poe2

[tawdry sparrow]

where is the #spoilers chat does it no longer exist?

[crisp obsidian]

the poe1 transfers I mean

or poe1 mtx

[spring glen]

8?

[worldly bridge]

Inly reason to take the insufficient mana is to reserve all of your mana

[tranquil umbra]

yes 8

[crisp obsidian]

it gets hidden after league is out, mods have to bring it out iirc

[tranquil umbra]

so you have to pick between whether you go bottom or top

[crisp obsidian]

so go dm modmail I think

[fallow viper]

Part of the reason poe2 actually became a separate game was because doing all these news rigs was so much work that they might as well make a new game. So I don't see it happening anytime soon. Would be a lowburner project over the next 2-3 years and maybe it's discussable then

[split maple]

didnt they also say that rigs are required for wasd

and that wasd will be coming at some point

[crisp obsidian]

well this was talked in some of the Q&A's, jonathan or mark said that the rigs and wasd should be coming after they have transfered poe1 mtx to poe2

[fallow viper]

they want new rigs, sure. It's just a lot of work that would either take away from league content, or take a very long time

[crisp obsidian]

they didn't want to do that before the mtx is done

cause then people would be losing access to them

[cobalt blade]

if only we still had old battlemages cry

couldve done indigon memes with it smh

[crisp obsidian]

now I don't remember the exact words

it could been just a possibility

but it was talked about for sure

[frigid wedge]

old battlemages was crazy

[soft perch]

cant wait until GGG adds the 67 emote

[fallow viper]

That's probably when they'll start working on it yea, but then remember PoE2 is gonna launch late this year or early next year and even then not all mtx will be transferred yet. So that'll give you a timescale

[cobalt blade]

it was fucked up with warcry buff effect lmao

[crisp obsidian]

well we have no idea what their teams have been working on

[cobalt blade]

v balanced warcry

[tawdry sparrow]

so we can talk about the new league in here or nah? seems kinda weird to tell us not to talk about something then not give us somewhere to go. or does it specifically mean concrete spoilers not predictions/discussion

[crisp obsidian]

there is always the small possibility that wasd comes this league

[fallow viper]

No, because no rigs no wasd and they definitely haven't been making new rigs this league.

[crisp obsidian]

it means spoilers yes, you can discuss the teasers here freely

[crisp obsidian]

you never know!

[fallow viper]

We know what's physically possible though

[crisp obsidian]

anythings possible!

we(the humans) literally do not know what's possible physically yet

so anythings still possible

[odd fox]

I don't wanna learn

[fallow viper]

Keep huffing the good stuff man 🥲 I won't get up my hopes though

[solid laurel]

Just saw the teaser...is it highly misleading or am i tripping, they're wearing the uniques regarding the nodes, but the vid shows the text disappearing from the scav nodes meaning....it won't be those?

[cobalt blade]

one thing ive been curious about is the scion rig or do they all share one rig in 2

[hazy kiln]

hey are you implying we're not humans

[fallow viper]

PoE2 has custom rigs as well, just built way better from the get go

[crisp obsidian]

nonono, I meant the human race!

[solid laurel]

Unless the scavenger is wearing the uniques from the ascendancy because they're removed in 3.28 scavenger?

[cobalt blade]

yes but it doesnt have scion

[tawdry sparrow]

I'm a goldfish 🐟

[fallow viper]

Yea, and on that account idk what it's gonna look like either :p It's a good question though. Guess we'll find out when it launches.

[cobalt blade]

ya :3

[hazy kiln]

PoE2 characters share the same rig/animations. there are a few animations that are specific/tweaked per class and some other tech that alters appearances slightly (especially for larger vs smaller characters)

[cobalt blade]

oh interesting i see

yeah that does sound alot easier to work with lmao

[hazy kiln]

indeed 😅

[hazy kiln]

there's also just way more animation loading/playing tech on PoE2 that we'd presumably want to port back to 1 if we ever brought the rigs back

[dusky void]

WTF is that video they uploaded there is still so much to learn????

[solid laurel]

Scavenger will be 100% changed i think

[finite quail]

you missed the entire discussion

[dusky void]

ascendant getting a rework? scavanger going main

[solid laurel]

Unless whoever made the video is giga baiting by having the ascend names/text disappearing

The nodes are slightly different to 3.27 phrecia

wait

[soft perch]

i think its d3 cube

[solid laurel]

they're the same as 3.25 phrecia lmao

[slow sonnet]

I definitely noticed that. I wish the team had kept the unique animations and rigs like in PoE 1 but, well, I suppose it is less work this way

[solid laurel]

yeah, my thoughts are either kanais cube or scion ascend but for phrecia ascends

[soft perch]

i think cube is like, a rly dangerous thing to add, so its probably very combed through like foulborns were

scavengable uniques or some shit

[tight plinth]

are we getting an alternate ascendancy for scion in base game

[soft perch]

maybe im overthinking the screen flash into blank nodes but it seems deliberate

[hazy kiln]

it's basically an efficiency consideration. by having animations shared between the classes it lets us do a lot more cool stuff with animations because the workload of adding extra anims is so much lower.

as an example, something like PoE2 Hollow Palm would never ever happen if it had to have dedicated animations per class. but it also just means it's feasible for most skills to have their own dedicated animations, whereas PoE1 skills can't reasonably do that and end up sharing a lot.

[fallow viper]

Whatever it is it's gotta connect with sands of time (prince of persia league?) and Maraketh lore.

[solid laurel]

it could just be that the person making the video is a dumbdumb 😛

Its giga bait if its just scav and nothing changed

[fallow viper]

I don't know a whole lot about Maraketh lore, but prince of persia was a rewind system

[soft perch]

well theres like equal frames of blank nodes to full nodes

[slow sonnet]

The advantages def outweigh the disadvantages

[soft perch]

i think its so unlikely its just scav

[solid laurel]

yeah, i wouldn't put it past them still though 😂

[soft perch]

the teaser seems so ambiguous on purpose lol

otherwise theyd just say

'scav coming as scion ascendancy'

[solid laurel]

even the values in the video are from phrecia 1.0 and not phrecia 2.0

[soft perch]

instead theres stuff like 'theres so much left to LEARN' in highlighted letters

[crisp obsidian]

I hope they drop another "guys calm down it's not actually X" twitter post

[soft perch]

its cryptic for a reason

[pulsar dune]

Scavenger is supposed to be learning, so some changes to her would make sense

[solid laurel]

The learn part suggests kanais cube the most

[soft perch]

agree

[solid laurel]

Scavenging uniques

[pulsar dune]

Scavenging uniques would make sense, yeah

[solid laurel]

okay i know what i think it'll be

[soft perch]

i think its gonna be like foulborns or the poe2 version

where specific items can get scavenged

and not all

[slow sonnet]

TBF a new main ascendancy is big

[soft perch]

i also hope its a bloodline and not scion specific

[solid laurel]

6 armour uniques, 6 melee/ranged unqiues, 6 caster weapons, 6 jewelry uniques, you "scavenge" up to 6 and can switch them out

[slow sonnet]

It would be really hype

[whole bluff]

ngl, I hope it's a league mechanic

[slow sonnet]

And a big anouncement

[soft perch]

i think it is

i think the whole league is related to ascendancies in some way lol

[dreamy charm]

i would love it if they made a class like scav that you 'socket' uniques would make and ssf journey really nice

[brazen vector]

Keepers of Phrecia of Kalguur

[crisp obsidian]

another ascendancy related league mechanic? ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[soft perch]

what was the last one buddy

bloodlines? that core game mechanic?

[crisp obsidian]

...?

yes

[soft perch]

ohhh

the one that isnt a league mechanic

i see 🙂

[crisp obsidian]

Xd

so what was the league mechanic in 3.27?

[fallow viper]

breach 2.0 was 3.27 mechanic

[soft perch]

keepers and foulborns?

[slow sonnet]

Weren't ascendancies introduced in 2016?

And we haven't had any new (main) ascendancies since

[soft perch]

if it is actually scavengable uniques

i bet this is a test for poe2 to solve the issue of low level uniques not ever being used in endgame

that is like a very common complaint in that game

[solid laurel]

Yeah if its not a form of kanais cube ill eat my shorts

[crisp obsidian]

okay true, let me rephrase; another league in a row with global ascendancy stuff? ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

[solid laurel]

The more i look into it the more im sure

[soft perch]

i think the teaser is just too deliberate for it not to be

[solid laurel]

Yeah, after you pointed out the learn bit being highlighted

it kinda clicked

[soft perch]

and i think a library of possible items makes sense after getting a poe1 and poe2 league with a similar mechanic

[opal ingot]

poe1: dust fodder
poe2: ascendancy fodder

[slow sonnet]

Don't you mean chance shard fodder

[opal ingot]

so many underused uniques having more value now due to dust xd

[slow sonnet]

/gold fodder

[soft perch]

u mean underused rare uniques

most still stay on the floor

[opal ingot]

yeah that

[solid laurel]

could be like max one mod per unique

to save them configuring every unique

[opal ingot]

fodderize mageblood and get the only bad line

[solid laurel]

if its random too it'll be lmao

[soft perch]

itll be like foulborns

[fallow viper]

How does kanai's cube work into sands of time though?

[soft perch]

where theres a bunch of them and theyre all done by hand

[solid laurel]

does it have to?

[fallow viper]

Well yes, can't just select a teaser and run with it

[solid laurel]

Well yes they can

[soft perch]

sands of time = clearly a reference to poe2 sekhemas which is poe2s version of lab trials

[fallow viper]

it's both gonna have to make sense somehow

[solid laurel]

and have, for over a decade

[soft perch]

and u get ascendancies from lab trials

[fallow viper]

they already debunked that

[soft perch]

and this teaser is about ascendancies

no they didnt

they said poe1 isnt getting trials of sekhema

they didnt say its not related in some way to ascendancies

[fallow viper]

Yes so why is sekhema still on the table?

[soft perch]

which it probably is

cuz its not specifically that?

[solid laurel]

because sekhema != trials of sekhema

lol

This teaser doesn't need to relate to the 3.28 expansion mechanic stuff

could be separate, the same way they can do both atlas expansions and league mechanic stuff

[soft perch]

well it is pillars of arun which is quite sandy

so its probably related to the teaser

[sterile depot]

Just cook a good league mechanic please ggg.

Poe1 neglected for years

[native abyss]

create your own poe

[fallow viper]

Could be separate from the league mechanic sure, but then it wouldn't be a cube would it? Then it'd just be ascendancy related or something

Introducing a cube as a core mechanic off the bat I don't see that happening, so either it's a mechanic for 3.28 or I don't buy it

[lucid gale]

With blackjack and stuff?

[soft perch]

absolutely insane comment on my post

what the fuck

[native abyss]

I do like to gamble...

[soft perch]

is this guy saying he wants to shove a hamster up his butt

[gentle chasm]

if the hamster has good stats

[fallow viper]

Well don't do that... That hamster still has to keep our servers running

[finite quail]

Zao spotted

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-mr-fresh-fresh-gif-4714710619997780774

[lucid gale]

Geronimo?

[finite quail]

Hello Zao

[native abyss]

blackjack but with div cards... you visit lilly roth at a special hideout and sit down at a table with her to play

[opal ingot]

unlimited possibilities only for us to follow a streamer build

or me

[soft perch]

or hamsters up his butt apparently

[lucid gale]

Just saw the teaser, kind of love these vague ones.

[sterile depot]

[finite quail]

Quite vague indeed

[soft perch]

its purposefully cryptic which is why im so sure its not just as simple as scion gets a second ascendancy

[solid laurel]

i don't think its even that vague anymore

[soft perch]

well everyone disagrees with me so

[solid laurel]

Isn't it as clear as clear can be

[soft perch]

well everyone thinks its just scavenger

[solid laurel]

Stresses the word learn*, shows scavenger, shows the unique nodes text being made into an empty slate

[split maple]

Wait a sec - can one of New scav nodes pls be crown of eyes

[soft perch]

whisperer time

[split maple]

So we can do indigon funsies in core yea

[hybrid harness]

holy fuck just saw teaser. scion is pregnant

[soft perch]

i vote we dont indigon everything

[fallow viper]

blasphemy

[lucid gale]

Just popping in before heading out for the day, see what reactions and theories you peeps came up with 🙂

[icy zinc]

indigon wander

well it doesnt rly work now

but

[split maple]

Indigon wander is a build

Indigon flicker strike mfa tho

[soft perch]

indigon boring

[finite quail]

I'm guessing its eithe Scav added to the main game, or all phrecia ascendancies being added to the main game

[split maple]

Pls give me that crack in core so I can do funsies for 4 months

[finite quail]

Only scav being added being more likely

[split maple]

Instead of for 3 week events

[opal ingot]

no theories here

just hope

[soft perch]

i want to click fulcrum and then also click damage

scavenger doesnt let me do both

[pulsar dune]

How much damage do you get on league MFA?

Still gotta be like 100m

[fallow viper]

It would be kinda fun to be able to "socket" uniques into an ascendancy tree though :p I don't wanna begin to look for how many things that would break but it does sound fun

[pulsar dune]

what's the most broken pair there actually

[solid laurel]

presumably its 1 armour, 1 weapon, 1 jewelry

[unkempt lava]

The phrecia scavenger ascendency is real

[pulsar dune]

hm, also, is scavenger actually scion?

[opal ingot]

is harvest profitable first week of a league? im assume with the harvest options it is ??

[summer zenith]

So scav is coming core most likely?

[solid laurel]

in current scav, first nodes are all armour items, top and bottom are caster at the top, melee+ranged at the bottom, far right is jewelry

[split maple]

Seven league steps and actual boots

[solid laurel]

so presuming it is kanais cube it'll be a weapon/armour/jewelry

[pulsar dune]

hm, fair

50% MS would be a really good ascendancy node

[split maple]

Mageblood and headhunter 🤔

[stray sedge]

The surfcaster had 30% (now 23%) and it was a must grab for first lab lol

[pulsar dune]

mageblood soulthirst

IG that's kinda worse HH

[split maple]

Nimis would be kinda Nice choice

4 rings total

[solid laurel]

4?

[soft perch]

i still think itll be a curated list

[fossil mural]

Itll be 25

[soft perch]

if its the case

and toned down to appropriate power levels

[pulsar dune]

yea almost certainly

[soft perch]

itll be similar to foulborns

[pulsar dune]

I have a vague memory of combos that'd make you actually immortal.

[solid laurel]

inb4 its only foulborns they allow, and its only foulborn mods

[fallow viper]

foulborn mageblood then :p

[split maple]

Foulborn choir hmmm

Without using ammy slot

That would slap hard

[fossil mural]

Its profitable. As long as you dont mind the profit being horrible But awa scarabs are pretty cheap, and at that point you dont care for which lifeforce to go, so almost no maps feel bad

[normal hedge]

yes you reforge chaos amethyst rings and craft -7 mana and sell it for 5d

[fallow viper]

Wasn't there a way to get 3 ringslots already? Or am I confused with another arpg now? If that's poe1 having a socketable ascendancy ring would make 4.

[split maple]

Yea king of the mist bloodline

Nasty downside tho

[fossil mural]

Poe2 has it as well

[fossil mural]

Megablood is weakness

Reject megablood

[pulsar dune]

Flasks without further investment are fake anyway /j

[brazen vector]

gaming

[split maple]

I have mixed opinions about mageblood since I respeced from hh

[fossil mural]

I liked the 5 red flasks builds

[split maple]

Like zoom is more consistent but lower highs

[split maple]

No shroud walker is kinda a big win

[fossil mural]

Some people like it

Oof

[hard cliff]

GGG please fix Tectonic Slam of Cataclysm not consuming Endurance Charges so I can league start a melee ignite chieftan

and keep all damage ignite dydamn dawn

[pulsar dune]

I think it's fixed in one of the letter patches

They just said the visuals got fixed, but I assume it's just correct now

[solid laurel]

oh mb i thought it was a phrecia ascend not a bloodline

[hard cliff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/shocked-surprised-chf1dz-Rn1xAN5CeRJUwlQjMy

[whole bluff]

No, thats ritual bloodline

[fossil mural]

Leg starting a foulborn build?

[pulsar dune]

Avatar of fire and run phys weapons IG

[split maple]

At that pace tomorrow teaser will alude to foulborns both staying and being removed at same time

[hard cliff]

[whole bluff]

Ritual bloodline has a huge cost, but people use it over other stuff so it's hard to say whether the cost is too high?

[hard cliff]

---

Tectonic Slam of Cataclysm + Dyadan Dawn all damage can Ignite ++ purity of fire + fire max res chieftan

Cloak of flames

Herald of Ash + herald of purity

Purity of Fire

enduring cry manual cast walk up

Automate warcries

Big axe

Here's the build skeleton

[fossil mural]

People use it for memes

[split maple]

Imo ritual is poeninja padding rn

[fossil mural]

Like ninja numbers

[split maple]

Like yea you get high int

[hard cliff]

I guess I can use avatar of fire

[split maple]

But lose so much ergonomics

[whole bluff]

I blame mageblood

[fossil mural]

Mageblood is truly the magebane of poe1

I hope they remove hh from poe2, so a belt slot actually has useful stuff in that game

[split maple]

At least we now have 3 OP belts

[fossil mural]

Since its a lost cause in poe1

[soft perch]

belts also just suck ass in poe2 so

[solid laurel]

whats the 3rd

[fossil mural]

If everything sucks... then no one sucks

[split maple]

Arkhon tools

[soft perch]

tides of time

[solid laurel]

ah

[soft perch]

eh

arkhons is much worse if ur not a trapper/miner

[split maple]

Shit is lowkey broken for some builds

Yea it's not universal

[soft perch]

i think tides of time is an op item because of progenesis

[split maple]

But it's only belt I could imagine some build seriously using over MB/hh

[soft perch]

i honestly think tides is better than mageblood if u have progen

[frigid wedge]

afking sim

what we doing atm

in here

[soft perch]

its main downside is mageblood is so necessary for valdos cuz of the stupid ghosts turning flasks off

[fossil mural]

Tides has hard time having full uptime on bosses unless crit no

[soft perch]

and tides being only for life/hybrid builds

[fossil mural]

What are top 3 strongest belts in the game

[crisp obsidian]

removing doesn't make other stuff useful lul

[frigid wedge]

hh mb tides

[opal ingot]

belt of the deceiver

kaom's bindings

dyadian dawn

[split maple]

Magnate still bis in DPS padding category

[normal hedge]

darkness enthroned, dyadian dawn and stygian vyse

[crisp obsidian]

that ghost has to go

ruining my PF adventures everytime

[soft perch]

i fuckin hate it

[frigid wedge]

im afking sims in hh rn

xD

[crisp obsidian]

it's probably the worst ghost mod

I can't think of a worse one atleast

[soft perch]

legit

[onyx adder]

I agree they should remove that one and bring back old tormented martyr

That'll learn ya

[stuck phoenix]

Mb hh foul hh

[soft perch]

bro

[crisp obsidian]

what that do

[soft perch]

makes mobs dd when u kill them

[crisp obsidian]

that's ok

[soft perch]

it was not ok

[crisp obsidian]

I could care less

[onyx adder]

The touch was an instant dd that oneshot everyone

[opal ingot]

what happens if you have skills that delete corpses when you kill them

[crisp obsidian]

flask ghost just disables my entire ascendancy

that is not fair

[frigid wedge]

flask ghost is stupid ye

[crisp obsidian]

but that's fair

flask ghost is not fair

[whole bluff]

What if ritual bloodline gave: Numerical effects of amulet/belt are 75% less effective/3 flask slots are disabled

[soft perch]

the ritual bloodline already gets used

[onyx adder]

The solution to both is just dont get hit scrub

[soft perch]

3 flask slots being disabled for an extra ring is op

cuz of the traitor

[whole bluff]

Yeah, I guess

[opal ingot]

just do it in poe2 fashion

[split maple]

Make it 2 flasks slots :p

Can sustain 3 often on traitor

[opal ingot]

"does not interact with traitor keystone"

[normal hedge]

nah

remove one ring for 5 extra flasks

[whole bluff]

Lul

[frigid wedge]

based

[opal ingot]

[soft perch]

holy

[opal ingot]

haahahah

[soft perch]

that would be useless unfortunately

[frigid wedge]

pathfinder reportedly deals 8x more dps

[opal ingot]

now i can use foulborn ming's heart with 5 extra flasks

[crisp obsidian]

I'll scrub you all over the floor 😠

[crisp obsidian]

based mb buffs

[normal hedge]

yep

[split maple]

That's called ful uptime on what 3 unique flasks with balbala

[whole bluff]

Delete mageblood, add 15 flask slots as a homage to d2

[opal ingot]

oh i know

[worldly bridge]

how dare you correctly predict what GGG would do

i dont like you

[frigid wedge]

now i can use atziri flask taste of hate, life flask, every res flask, quicksilver, silver, bottled faith and the eb flask

[opal ingot]

an ascendancy that gives you 10 more flask slots, but instilling orbs are disabled

[worldly bridge]

i play enough osu that i dont need more keys to press

[modern zinc]

I wish PoE had charms tbh

[frigid wedge]

holy based

[stuck phoenix]

We did have charms

[split maple]

Is 7 empty flask slots enough for full uptime on progen, dynig sun, bottled faith

[crisp obsidian]

that would just make mageblood more op

would need to disable enkindlings too

[worldly bridge]

mageblood is only 4 flask

[opal ingot]

yeah do that

[normal hedge]

progenesis, tincture, wine, atziri, the one from catarina, triple res flask, silver and quicksilver

[worldly bridge]

it keeps the same amount of power

[opal ingot]

holy

[split maple]

Oh forgot wine

[worldly bridge]

GUYS HEAR M E OUT, if we had INFINITE flask slots

would that bee too strong?????

[split maple]

Is 6 empty flask slots...

[worldly bridge]

idk it sounds pretty balanced

[crisp obsidian]

mageblood doesn't disable unique or life or mana flasks bro

[normal hedge]

bees die after they sting once so not really

[opal ingot]

and then have a totally legit perfect time recasting of flasks

is 2 simplexes no rings better than 1 simplex 2 rings on my kf

let me check

[frigid wedge]

lmfao

[opal ingot]

ah wait, my kf wouldn't function

[frigid wedge]

very

[opal ingot]

would FOUR rings no simplex be better than 1 simplex 2 rings on my kf

[crisp obsidian]

four rings?

[solid laurel]

scavenger, ritual bloodline

[pulsar dune]

I'd be surprised, the inc on simplex is really big

[solid laurel]

actually you cant hit scav+ritual bloodline

because its 8 points to reach the jewelry side of scav

[crisp obsidian]

I can see why your name has noob in it 😎

[split maple]

Well if scav goes core

Just ff it

[solid laurel]

?

I'm not the one who said 4 rings, but the person who did was definitely referring to what i said 😛

[crisp obsidian]

😎

[split maple]

Oh wait a sec if scav goes core

Maybe some ascendant FFs will finally be usable

[opal ingot]

ok i lose 18% dps

[worldly bridge]

you have no amulet +1 ring

four rings

[solid laurel]

you can't get 4

scavenger takes 8 points to reach the jewelry

so you can't spend the 2 on the bloodline

[crisp obsidian]

FF it

[solid laurel]

highly doubt it'll be an option

[crisp obsidian]

booooooo

bad ggg

[solid laurel]

well, maybe

[normal hedge]

if its going core it prolly will

[solid laurel]

It depends on the implementation

[split maple]

If it's ascendancy in core

[solid laurel]

presuming it is actually kanais cube

[split maple]

It has to be

[hexed mountain]

we dont know how it goes core though

could replace asc or be a second scion asc

they could swap ascendant to phrecia instead

if they dont phrecia 3.0 will have a new scion ascendancy

[normal hedge]

dont think theyre swapping it

[split maple]

Nah they aint replacing asc, them two armorstackers and rfers in corner would go mad

[solid laurel]

i hope they drop 2 new scion ascends, one being the scav-kanais cube stuff, the other being scion, but for phrecia ascends

[hexed mountain]

imagine 3 scion ascendancy each based on one type of things (ascendant for other ascendancies, scavenger for uniques , 3rd ascendancy gemling something for jewels?)

[opal ingot]

ok i found the most dps for my 4 ring no amulet setup

and it's a 6% dps loss

[hexed mountain]

that's a good plan tbh

[modern zinc]

no reason not to use Kitava's Thirst at this point I guess

[hexed mountain]

phrecia is a free content league without much work

it would be interesting to have community votes for ascendancies

like put the 3 core and 3 phrecia ones and the top 3 goes to the core league for this league and the 3 others go to phrecia

[mental nova]

wait so is scavenger going core?

or is ggg just being a tease

[hexed mountain]

but at the same time i like warden and it surely would get outvoted by whisperer/wildspeaker

[solid laurel]

not in its current form, but seemingly yes

[fossil mural]

@stone wing would you quit the game if they removed current scion

[solid laurel]

ive always been a scion enthusiast i'd cry

[spice pecan]

i would consider

but there's no way they rework it

[hexed mountain]

scavenger is a lot more interesting than asc imo

[brazen vector]

why would they delete regular scion, stop dooming

[spice pecan]

they know it's a balancing nightmare, so adding scav which is a lot easier to balance seems fine

[mental nova]

that sounds really cool, honestly hope its till good, could be a really really fun ascendancy to play if they cycle the nodes each expansion

[pulsar dune]

ascendant is somewhat unexciting ngl.

[hexed mountain]

they can put ascendant to phrecia and just rework it lightly next phrecia

[ember goblet]

can they delete scion and jugg and epementalist already

[solid laurel]

scav is gonna be kanais cube with foulborn mods

1 armor 1 weapon 1 jewelry

[pulsar dune]

jugg???

[spice pecan]

i think ascendant is very interesting but yeah

[cobalt blade]

so we cant steal shavs on an aura stack ascendant smh

[fossil mural]

@soft perch you got followers already

[spice pecan]

getting some war flashbacks with this one ngl

[fossil mural]

In your minecraft cult

[hexed mountain]

i woudl totally be for changing the jewelry wheel tho , so many builds are basically "guess i'm taking adrenaline everything sucks on my build"

[brazen vector]

because that FF would be affordable to the general public x3

[ember goblet]

dont play d4 its so much worse

[normal hedge]

yeah delete jugg

ds ascendancy

[solid laurel]

i do think its the most realistic option right now though

[ember goblet]

and elementalist

[cobalt blade]

yeah i dont personally care about that bit though

its farmable

[normal hedge]

elementalist is the best ascendancy in the game

[fossil mural]

Nah, cap the attack speed bonus at 20%

[ember goblet]

😨

[spice pecan]

i wonder if they would actually add scav FFs

[pulsar dune]

I do think the issue with ele is more that other ascendancies are not general enough than it being too generic

[hexed mountain]

meanwhile assassin litteraly reworked in 3.27 and still getting no playtime :

[fossil mural]

It would be a bloodline so no

[hexed mountain]

ele got too much going on tbh

[pulsar dune]

yeah, zHP poison is just not real.

[fossil mural]

Well, they added 0 defences there

[ember goblet]

put shit in get shit out

[hexed mountain]

idk why they doubled golem buff stats

[fossil mural]

And didnt make elusive feel good

[normal hedge]

elementalist having generic damage and 3 defensive nodes is healthy for the game

[hexed mountain]

people would legit pick elementalist even if it had only dogshit nodes outside of herald/golems

[pulsar dune]

I think it'd be more interesting if every ascendancy were maybe slightly less generic than ele

but instead we get fucking inquisitor

[hexed mountain]

inquisitor needs a lil rework too

when is the last time we saw ANYONE use the fanatic charge thing?

[spice pecan]

inq doesn't have to play coc

[brazen vector]

We got my bf 36 challenges today, he had 6 or so when we started today

[pulsar dune]

noice noice

[cobalt blade]

ive seen people try use it but its always just clunky

[fossil mural]

I tried so hard to theorycraft it in 3.27 lmao

But then its just worse than not using it

[hexed mountain]

its like the heartstopper node

[fossil mural]

That has a place in hc

[modern zinc]

it's either coc or rf

[hexed mountain]

those things just shouldnt exist , halve the stats , make it always up

[fossil mural]

I believe people ran it in delve

[hexed mountain]

i mean yeah technically you could cheese with it

[pulsar dune]

slayer is good across a wide slew of builds, ditto for ele and deadeye. Now just gotta bring the rest of the ascendancies up to par

[karmic gust]

golem respawn should just be notable or minion mastery or somethign, golems being completely useless outside of elementalist is pretty stupid

[spice pecan]

rf inquis has been dead for a while

[modern zinc]

what do YOU MEAN

[cobalt blade]

imo a support gem

[modern zinc]

it's my fav rf variant

[pulsar dune]

totems need to completely recooked as well

[hexed mountain]

agreed , the golem wheel for 2 golems and golem buff would make golem a very strong choice on any build in the area

[fossil mural]

Glad to see ggg still making certain parts of the game ascendancy exclusive

[crisp obsidian]

yes more stuff for PF

I likey

[spice pecan]

worse than chieftain in every way, or worse than hiero if playing mana rf

[karmic gust]

yea hiero is also big issue for spell totems not being playable anywhereelse

[modern zinc]

I blame the explosions

[spice pecan]

blame 90 all res too

[karmic gust]

they did ballistas rly well idk why they didnt do anything with spell totems after

[spice pecan]

and setting enemy fire res to -20

[hexed mountain]

i usually grab the golem wheel for the campain and early mapping on any build in the area because two golems and golem buff effect is insanely strong ... but then yellow/red maps arrive and the golems get blasted every pack

[fossil mural]

And self ignite

[pulsar dune]

IG they don't want totems to be strictly better than selfcast, but like... mines already are

[karmic gust]

they even did bunch of asc reworks like tha tbefore because they know design like that is dumb

see old necro

old necro was basically what current elementalist is for golems

[hexed mountain]

i'm glad they're changing the bottom scavenger wheel tho , i dont think i've seen any build using that wheel

[spice pecan]

i love spell totems, i don't really mind that they're only playable on hierophant but it'd be cool if they were playable elsewhere

[hexed mountain]

old necor bone offering was hilariously unbalanced yeah

[spice pecan]

i very much dislike ballista builds

[hexed mountain]

have you tried KF ballistas?

[karmic gust]

not bone offering

bu necro had straight up minion type nodes

before

like skeleton and zombie nodes

[spice pecan]

i dont like how ballista support works, the summon range is ass

[pulsar dune]

ballistas not having placement range is sad

[fossil mural]

Id play that, but its just worse than self cast

[karmic gust]

and the skills werent playable without necro

[hexed mountain]

it has its advantages : mainly being able to not have to facetank and being leaguestart viable as you dont need any unique to get the gatling going early on

[soft perch]

inquis was quite popular for giga setups in merc league

the crit node does a lot of carrying

[karmic gust]

ballista placement range doesnt rly matter you are meant to spam them

[spice pecan]

until you turn a corner and get stunlocked and die because you can't summon them around corners

[hexed mountain]

i'm probably starting KF ballista warden in 3.28 if nothing new catches my eye then transitionning once i get good gear into self cast warpslinger

[spice pecan]

but im just way too used to spell totem playstyle

[pulsar dune]

nah, it feels bad compared to spell totems which can just go wherever

[fossil mural]

Imagine stun immune

[soft perch]

ele hit slayer leaguestart very likely for me

[crisp obsidian]

you just abuse wilmas on ballistas

[karmic gust]

i mean idk who plays like that but sure

[crisp obsidian]

and don't care about anything

[pulsar dune]

yea, ballistas are rly strong numerically

but it's way more annoying than spell totems gameplay wise

[spice pecan]

there's also just not really any interesting skills to play on ballistas, KF is not particularly interesting to me

[left obsidian]

dude that teaser made me tear up, feels so 2010s beta vibes 👏

[spice pecan]

i dont like the idea of playing a skill that wants to stack reduced duration, on totems

[hexed mountain]

ballista feels a lot more viable on no gear than totem tho (and doesnt require to be top left to grab ancestral bond)

[karmic gust]

idk if the ballista and spell totem stuff were swapped then spell totems would be actually broken

[pulsar dune]

oh yea

[karmic gust]

currently spell totems are just garbage

because the placementspeed is terrible, the limit is terrible

[pulsar dune]

spell totems are very mediocre compared to ballistas

[spice pecan]

you can do 2stone naked on 4 link storm burst

[karmic gust]

the mana costs are terrible

[spice pecan]

it's very funny

[spice pecan]

all of that is solved by hiero and only hiero unfortunately

[hexed mountain]

yeah you need to be around ancestral bond as i said, some setups are nice

[karmic gust]

even with hiero its still a lot worse than ballistas

[hexed mountain]

warden KF ballista gets beyond illegal levels of dps as leaguestart too

[spice pecan]

yeah i dunno, i feel the opposite

[karmic gust]

but yea hiero node just to make it playable is pretty bad

[pulsar dune]

I still think there is a ton of potential in trarthus ballistas

[spice pecan]

but the last ballista build i played was ps archmage hiero

[crisp obsidian]

well this is just a general issue of spells atm

mana is just fucked

[soft perch]

bow/wand ballistas are very strong

[hexed mountain]

like palladin ballista was already very high damage on leaguestart but warden is just warden

[soft perch]

not a warden lover personally

[hexed mountain]

KF oath of spring synergy is insane

[soft perch]

tinctures are annoying and its squishy

[karmic gust]

yea but theres like no benefit behind the mana drawback

[fossil mural]

Surely keystone jewels soon

[karmic gust]

you have less totems, the totems do less damage