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[pliant hamlet]

not like we're going manastorm behemoth

[pulsar dune]

rvob without snapshotting?

is that even worth doing?

[frigid wedge]

smh no warcry exert

not rlly

[pulsar dune]

you do ambush, not warcries, no?

[frigid wedge]

depends on setup i believe

[pulsar dune]

well, IG half the snapshot stuff is spell

[remote sparrow]

Brass dome is meh tbh, I am going poisons so crit immune anyway idk just a large es pool you heal up with es on hit watchers maybe...

[pliant hamlet]

I mean.... if you have 80-115 rage, and you can't manage to clear fast enough to maintain rvob for... 8 seconds...

I think there's a very different problem here

[frigid wedge]

rvob increases in cost based on how long its been up

[pliant hamlet]

Yes, which is why it'd be very impressive if you managed to chew through all 80-115 of your rage in 8 seconds lol

[night bone]

Well supreme ostentation has the nice benefit of tatting the crap out yourself, could still do that with es, but yeah you'd drop the dome

[pliant hamlet]

When I referred to not snapshotting, I meant you didn't need to use swap shenanigans like manastorm builds do w/ the 12l setup

[pulsar dune]

ostentation with ES is quite rough

[pliant hamlet]

You'd still use normal stuff either ambush or warcries

[frigid wedge]

between packs?

[pliant hamlet]

ah can't use ambush

[night bone]

I don't like poison tho, since duration is one of the ways to scale it and the more duration you have the more "ramp up" time you have to get to full dps

[pulsar dune]

a solid portion of your % is int

[remote sparrow]

Oooh wait you can get a SHIT ton of life on prophet by going abyss jewels ya get 5% max life per jewel and can get flat life on each jewel aswel.... mmmmmm

[pliant hamlet]

bruh what is your movespeed that you're so concerned about between packs

are you clearing maps with -80% movespeed or something?

[night bone]

even with that ms, you could still go fast-ish with flame dash or leap slam

[frigid wedge]

no but ur relying on rage on hit and 20% more per second scales p fast

esp consider some packs wont put u at max rage

[pliant hamlet]

my experience on rvob builds have been clearing maps in under 30s

[frigid wedge]

bc its 15%

[pliant hamlet]

1m on "slower" maps

[pulsar dune]

it's 35 if you go admirals arrogance as well

[night bone]

it actually would be a fun and interesting challenge to see how quickly you could full clear a t17 with -80% ms

[frigid wedge]

ig but its still gonna happen bc of rage on hit cooldown

[pulsar dune]

yea

[pliant hamlet]

I mean sure, it'll happen occasionally. You just hit your 2 - 4 warcries and hit the button again

btw you can't ambush

it's a spell lol

[night bone]

like that guy who beat ubers with graft skills only

[frigid wedge]

yeah that means u need warcry speed

which takes away from rest of build

[pulsar dune]

it's probably fine tbh

[frigid wedge]

its clunky af

xD

[pliant hamlet]

rvob always has a little clunk, but with enough speed / damage, I think it'd be fine

Idk if this build can get said damage tho

[frigid wedge]

not gonna touch rvob without at least 30s of sustained vortex without hitting for the sake of comfort

icl

[pliant hamlet]

idk how tf you're scaling this lol

[frigid wedge]

str stack

[pliant hamlet]

That seems wrong, but idk why

[frigid wedge]

str stack with uh

replica dreamfeather

[pliant hamlet]

wait, why dreamfeather?

[frigid wedge]

u get % and flat armour from str on behemoth

[lilac parcel]

does map pack size apply to blight spwans ?

[frigid wedge]

bc power of purpose w mana per str

and armour mastery

wait he already has that dmg per ar

paradoxica

[pliant hamlet]

We're armor stacking on a character who can't use determination

Maybe with an aurabot?

[frigid wedge]

check in pob

[pulsar dune]

do you have enough points to take all that

IG you don't click armor applies to chaos

[pliant hamlet]

tbh, if I play behemoth, it's going to be Tireless frenzy + Sheer Fury

[pulsar dune]

yea that one is the obvious choice

[pliant hamlet]

or drop tireless frenzy for aul

[frigid wedge]

isn't RV scaling kinda bleh w attack speed

or u just want max fort

[hard cliff]

No fort

[whole bluff]

ngl, behemoth is looking quite juicey, I just wish there were other ways to automate warcries than eternal apple

[pliant hamlet]

if you want it to be good you're probably playing manastorm 12L RVOB on whisperer w/ we know all

[whole bluff]

and I'm not playing melee without autoexertion

[frigid wedge]

yeah but fun times

w behe

[pliant hamlet]

actually looking at this is disgusting lol

[frigid wedge]

what is

[pliant hamlet]

rvob whisperer would be a monster

[frigid wedge]

sebk did it before

[pliant hamlet]

How expensive are 12l swords usually?

I might try to do that lol

considering playing trade for the first time in ages

[frigid wedge]

https://pobb.in/2R2rIm3l7W70

[hard cliff]

no spells and free mana

is this supposed to be some kind of sick joke!

[frigid wedge]

0.7 to 2mir

[pliant hamlet]

hmm, Mirrors are a lot more obtainable now

Might be worth going for that

[potent horizon]

are there any decent spell damage packages for boots and gloves any cool interactions so i can freely stack light radius on all other parts

[frigid wedge]

ye here is rvob whisperer

[potent horizon]

tryna make giga AOE with light radius

[pliant hamlet]

did you use 12l sword on swap?

[potent horizon]

not sure what skills might do glacial cascade

[frigid wedge]

but i wouldnt touch whisperer ever bc it bricks as soon as it hits league

personally

[pliant hamlet]

haha

fucking hell those glvoes are disgusting

[hard cliff]

y'all are keeping your phrecia charecters after league??

[pliant hamlet]

ikr lol

whatever im making is bricking the day after the league ends

[normal hedge]

my eyes its bleeding

[pliant hamlet]

am I crazy or is bog shaman broken if you can overcome the downsides?

[pulsar dune]

it's up there, yea

big numbers

[pliant hamlet]

yea

[normal hedge]

the downside is having 20k cost for giga dmg

[remote sparrow]

Mmm Idk I really want to do something with FF trigger bots but all the shadow ascendancies kinda feel meh

[pliant hamlet]

blind prophet coc f/f trigger bot

[quaint sky]

L linux

[pliant hamlet]

w/ sightless + directionless + careless

[pulsar dune]

yea FFing on blind prophet seems decent

since you don't want to trigger rolling magma etc from far away

[pliant hamlet]

Blind prophet seems the most braindead "This is very good" ascendencies if random directions doesn't fuck you

[pulsar dune]

apparently zomber recaller is good on the minion ascendancy

[pliant hamlet]

+2 proj 50% nimis 12% base crit is crazy

[pulsar dune]

yeah, it's just deadeye but crit instead of mark effect

[remote sparrow]

Ya I was working on somthing but trying to work in new dagger

[pulsar dune]

and return instead of chain

[pliant hamlet]

It enables soulrend day 1 which is cool

bog shamna wins when you can get a nimis obv but

nimis is like 600% more damage on soulrend of spiral

and it can be played coc

[pulsar dune]

600% more is compared to not linking returning proj, right?

[pliant hamlet]

Yeah I think so? I forgot the math on it but

it's a huge multi, and the random directions is also good

[remote sparrow]

Well %300 seems decent lol

[frigid wedge]

iirc its: spell for manastorm, swap, click warcry, rage vortex, swap back

[pliant hamlet]

yeah, I wanted that setup

never got a squire that league

[frigid wedge]

ur offhand is a 12L SWORD with squire

SWORD

[hard cliff]

why is this a bad idea?

[pliant hamlet]

4 magebloods, 0 squires

I was so upsetti lol

[frigid wedge]

rv is buggy and doesn't work unless ur weapon swap has a specific weapon

offhand has to be a sword

[pliant hamlet]

yeah, I used paradoxica in my mainhand and some like 7l sword in my swap no squire

[frigid wedge]

ye fair

[pliant hamlet]

it had 119m dps so it was enough for everything but

[frigid wedge]

i should play an rv build

[pliant hamlet]

I really wanted squire lol

[frigid wedge]

what ascendancy?

[pliant hamlet]

Hiero, this wasn't phrecia

[frigid wedge]

hiero one gets that high?

[pliant hamlet]

because zombos suck 🙁

[frigid wedge]

i gotta play an rv build man

[pliant hamlet]

hiero one tops at like 1.5b?

it gets stupid high

[frigid wedge]

i was debating an eternal apple berserker

at one point

with vengeful

[pliant hamlet]

problem is it's so janky like

[frigid wedge]

but i don't think it can fix the clunkyness without constant clicking of a second skill for either battlemage trigger or fr itself

[pliant hamlet]

Nobody plays it lol

[remote sparrow]

Ok am I baiting myself by wanting to include this dagger into my build for CoC blind prophet and is it probably just better to go on hit damage based?

[pliant hamlet]

the build is also fairly squishy

like it has high pob numbers but

[frigid wedge]

festering remnant is bad

[pliant hamlet]

you don't have mana regen

[frigid wedge]

unless cws

[pulsar dune]

yea, I don't think any of the projectile skills you'd want with blind prophet benefit enough from it

[hard cliff]

[keen veldt]

I kinda wanna play spiders for phrecia, it gonna be any good?

[remote sparrow]

Why though like id think rolling magma would trigger it a ton idk

[pliant hamlet]

hard to beat day 1 spiders. We lose pops though

[frigid wedge]

i wanna play rvob something eventually

[pulsar dune]

soulrend you can just play as poison without the dagger, magma and blazing salvo would probably be a dps gain, but I doubt it'd be better than getting a defense offhand

[keen veldt]

do you think it’s value as a starter will be diminished bc I’m on Xbox? Our economy takes a couple days to fill up with basic league start uniques, unfortunately

that’s the main thing I try to be conscious of with my starters. No t2+ uniques, so overpriced first few days

[remote sparrow]

Mmmm the opportunity cost of a good shield is probably main reason

[frigid wedge]

wait

is there any spells that i could abuse with rage

[pliant hamlet]

you don't really need anything. Cruel labs gives you your spiders. Then it's just a minion build

[pulsar dune]

unliked spiders?

[pliant hamlet]

for day 1? they're strong

[pulsar dune]

fair fair

[pliant hamlet]

Pick up fang and drop broodguard later

[frigid wedge]

i wonder

[pulsar dune]

don't think there's anything too remarkable rage+spells can do outside of the uber helmet

[frigid wedge]

how effective CoC rvob could be

as an autobomber

[pliant hamlet]

You can also just play envy

enyv minions is insane and you get that in normal lab lol

[remote sparrow]

Mk also does anyone know why cobra lash isent used as a CoC applicator seems good on paper

[pliant hamlet]

Poison SRS, Poison Skeles, etc.

[pulsar dune]

cobra lash probably doesn't hit consistently like cyclone, nor fast enough like lancing steel of spraying

[hard cliff]

getting poison chance from abyssal jewels sucks balls

[remote sparrow]

I would think it's decent allways gritting for long time

[pliant hamlet]

yeah why aren't you just playing lancing steel

[pulsar dune]

would coc rvob snapshot the spell links?

[pliant hamlet]

if you're asking about coc, it's always "why aren't you just playing lancing steel / cyclone / bow shit"

[remote sparrow]

I wasn't because I wanted to try force the poision dagger

But if I drop that then lancing just better

[pliant hamlet]

Could use bladeflurry ig

[pulsar dune]

what would be a good ranged trigger attack with a dagger

[frigid wedge]

probably not

but i think itd be fun

to figure out

how to run

[somber sundial]

Is Uber Sirus or Uber Maven or Uber Uber elder easier

[remote sparrow]

Cobra lash was only thing I could think of

[split maple]

uber uber elder easiest of these

maven hardest prolly

[somber sundial]

Ok

[pliant hamlet]

Depends on the holes in your build

[hard cliff]

cobra lash is sexy

[split maple]

i rly dont like waiting for sirus

its psychologicaly demanding

[somber sundial]

Only hole I have in my build is stun

[bitter hound]

Help me decide between lunar paladin portal skin or maven portal skin

[somber sundial]

I’m a sim build, Frost blades, frenzy stacker

[pliant hamlet]

Uber Maven is imo the easiest uber as long as you're not a slow melee

if you are, she's one of the hardest

[somber sundial]

I attack 12 times per second

[hard cliff]

https://pobb.in/uYEsbnJTw2Hh

here's my awful minion Herald axcedasny build idea

[split maple]

memory games tho

[pulsar dune]

(one thing to consider with dual wield attacks for triggers is that unless both weapons have the exact same attack time, you will likely miss triggers since the weapons will alternate rather than avg out)

[remote sparrow]

Oooooh ya ok ewww

[pliant hamlet]

UUE is really hard if your sustain sucks balls, otherwise just run around the edge lol

[hard cliff]

I do this irl

[pliant hamlet]

you can just make laps forever and never die

[somber sundial]

I leech 2k per second

[frigid wedge]

i do this irl

[pliant hamlet]

yeah uue isn't bad then

[somber sundial]

Ight

If I have 200m without my tincture on, is that enough damage

[frigid wedge]

yes

[somber sundial]

Ok

[pliant hamlet]

oh then uue will be one of the hardest and they're all trivial lol

[remote sparrow]

Ok I guess im back to either lancing steel or go straight up bow build now

[frigid wedge]

@somber sundial ive done every uber on 11m dps

[pliant hamlet]

you'll insta-nuke the rest of the ubers

[somber sundial]

Wait what

[pliant hamlet]

uue has invul phases so you have to do mechanics

[somber sundial]

Normal Sirus bullied me

[frigid wedge]

so does maven

[somber sundial]

Because I suck at mechanics

[frigid wedge]

200m doesnt instaphase maven

[pliant hamlet]

It..should?

[frigid wedge]

i dont believe it can

[hard cliff]

are there any slam builds that phrecia enables that aren't just worse than real game?

[somber sundial]

I have 400m with tincture on

[pliant hamlet]

200m dps is 60m uber dps

[somber sundial]

Tectonic slam of cataclysm

[pulsar dune]

manastorm unarmed dominus slam whisperer, but that's not that real.

[pliant hamlet]

as long as you wait the 16s that should basically insta-kill her

[somber sundial]

Oh

[pulsar dune]

tec slam is still bugged, no?

[frigid wedge]

cataclysm doesnt work

[somber sundial]

Gotcha gotcha, tyty

Oh it doesn’t

[pliant hamlet]

either way, you definitely have the dps to do any uber

[frigid wedge]

for endu charges rn

[somber sundial]

Rip

[hard cliff]

is that the one that takes ten minutes to blow up?

[somber sundial]

Okay

[pliant hamlet]

glgl!

[frigid wedge]

no thats eq of amp

[somber sundial]

No idea

[pliant hamlet]

Who can abuse the int/acc stacking claw in phrecia?

[frigid wedge]

tect slam is the one with endu charge bonuses (not cons path) but none of them work

[somber sundial]

The gloves I need are up for 350div, please shoot me

[pulsar dune]

ancom probably

[somber sundial]

I wanna do 70 sims

[pliant hamlet]

the fuck is an ancom

[hard cliff]

[frigid wedge]

antiquarian, behemoth and ancestral commander

[pulsar dune]

cons path of endurance works, no?

or did they also break that one

[split maple]

ANcenstral COMando

[somber sundial]

Oh yeah that work

[frigid wedge]

but undeniable is gonna be like 300d again

[somber sundial]

No it work

[pliant hamlet]

Lol I do not know these well enough, ty

[somber sundial]

Tectonic slam removes your endurance charges, consecrated path does not

Big

[hard cliff]

[pulsar dune]

makes sense

[pliant hamlet]

wtf, ancom has +3 max endu charges

[somber sundial]

Yeah

It’s stupid

15 endurance charges easy

[pliant hamlet]

Why would it be good at acc stacking tho?

[split maple]

its either the most broken or second most broken phrecia ascend

[split maple]

coz it can ff juggie

[hard cliff]

ancom is prob why we can't have phrecia private leagues

[pulsar dune]

you literally just need to FF the attack speed node

[somber sundial]

I think it’s endurance charge stacker not accuracy

[pulsar dune]

that's the int/accu build

[pliant hamlet]

ssf man talking to me about f/f

:<

[frigid wedge]

the only reason the int claw is strong is because of undeniable

[pulsar dune]

there is also a path where you drop one claw and run the weapon with the attack speed per accu

[frigid wedge]

without undeniable theres no point

[pulsar dune]

which does also hit real DPS

[split maple]

i am doing a humble broke-budget mfa thank you very much 😛

[pulsar dune]

but it is a fair bit weaker

[pliant hamlet]

Antiquarian is super interesting

not for int/acc stacking but rather ward shenanigans

[frigid wedge]

antiquarian is just ward stacker tbh

[hard cliff]

ward antiq gonna get nerfed

trust

[pliant hamlet]

"you have no int" is kinda funny lol

[frigid wedge]

oh heavens

[remote sparrow]

We also get the new boss ascendancies aswell this time yea?

[frigid wedge]

im clicking that node

[pulsar dune]

hm, replica trypanon+antiquarian HCBE

idk where I'm going from there

but that's step 0

[remote sparrow]

Because the bonus ward stuff with wars stacking going to be insane

[pliant hamlet]

Ydna's gonna be 100d

[remote sparrow]

With the ward belt

[pliant hamlet]

Gonna overtake mb lol

[frigid wedge]

hell naw

[pliant hamlet]

they made that stupid belt so f'ken rare

[bleak wharf]

What's a good tanky mage build to start with? League or no league

[pulsar dune]

RF I guess

lightning conduit ele can also get pretty beefy

[pliant hamlet]

I still say RF is a B or C ranked build with a SSS ranked guide

[pulsar dune]

yea

[pliant hamlet]

but would you call RF a mage?

[remote sparrow]

Firestorm + armageddon brand for leveling into actual build

[pliant hamlet]

Anything hiero is pretty tanky

big mom

big mana regen

[sleek barn]

thats what they call me

big mom

[empty bronze]

didnt luffy defeat you?

[pliant hamlet]

My old friend dan - aka big mom

[remote sparrow]

Archmagoo build likely best "tanks mage"

[hard cliff]

yes

hot mage

[pliant hamlet]

I still think one of the best generically good builds are Blunderbore / Oblit / Death Rush aristocrat

Like it's just...really good for everything

[remote sparrow]

Rf is the Beef mage

[pulsar dune]

archmage would work, yea

[bleak wharf]

Hiero is something I haven't played yet (only finished the story mode a dozen times), so that sounds nice.
Any guide aside from RF you can recommend?

[sleek barn]

!guides

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[bleak wharf]

Played rf so much

[sleek barn]

well i suppose these aren't for the new phrecia league

[hard cliff]

you mean obliteration wand?

[pliant hamlet]

I mean obliteration the node

enemies you kill have a 30% chance to explode, dealing a quarter of their max life as chaos damage

It's just a node artistocrat has lol

[elfin shale]

Scavenger

[remote sparrow]

Ohhhh whats a good Bow Coc attack is it still just tornado shot?

[pliant hamlet]

scavenger! my bad

[elfin shale]

Aristocrat is a Duelist subclass

[sleek barn]

scav

yeah

[pliant hamlet]

Wait, scion isn't the aristocrat? Lol

[pulsar dune]

I think ppl do bow coc with blast rain or roa of saturation

[pliant hamlet]

Isn't scion literally an aristocrat

[sleek barn]

blast rain

[hard cliff]

Scavenger cause she's a goblin

[pulsar dune]

not anymore, on the account of the murder

[sleek barn]

idt TS was ever a CoC skill

[pliant hamlet]

who tf is aristocrat? I guess anyone but duelist would make sense

[elfin shale]

Yeah thats why she doesnt have to take it as her subclass

[pliant hamlet]

duelist and witch

[hard cliff]

fencing and swords are a pretty popular rich people hobby back in the day

[pulsar dune]

yea

[pliant hamlet]

lol it is duelist

[elfin shale]

The idea with duelist Aristocrat is he was so good at dueling they gave him a cool hat

[pulsar dune]

aristocrasts would definitely feasibly be good at dueling

[bleak wharf]

Thanks!

[pliant hamlet]

I thought duelist was a sleazy poor guy

who killed some rich guy in a duel

[elfin shale]

Im pretty sure he was a slave in the Theopolis Arena and won a duel he was supposed to throw?

its been a while

[pliant hamlet]

Yeah, that's about what I remember too

[hard cliff]

---

Legacy intro
"He had it coming. Was I supposed to bear such insults with inaction, simply because of his high birth? That lord sang a different tune with six inches of steel in his guts. Now they call me a criminal for defending my honour. I'd do the same again to anyone who crossed me.

I care naught for riches, little for friendship. The duel is all I need. I may be an exile, but I will carve a road back to Oriath, one foe, one victory at a time. Ill fortune may have banished me to Wraeclast, but I will live to hear them scream my name in the great arenas again."

---

[pulsar dune]

I think the phrecia ascendancies aren't the class characters.

[sleek barn]

Having killed Piety: "Sorry beautiful, but someone had to put a stop to all this ugliness."

thats pretty funny

[elfin shale]

Maybe not a slave then, i might be thinking of Daresso

[pliant hamlet]

He slept with piety didn't he? lol

[hard cliff]

Duelist is the most normal exile tbh

[pliant hamlet]

Pretty sure it's either explicitely told somewhere or heavily implied

[elfin shale]

A lot of the lines from that last scene with Piety are funny as fuck

[sleek barn]

thats crazy

i'll see if i can find it

[hard cliff]

No but she clearly says he could have hit it during her lines in act 4

[pliant hamlet]

Ahhh

[sleek barn]

Piety, the Abomination, in the Belly of the Beast: "Oh Duelist, you're so cute when you're bewildered."

[pliant hamlet]

I don't play duelist much and usually when I roll flicker I'm in full twink gear lol

[tight plinth]

duelist went from slave killing a noble to god killer destroyer of maps

[hard cliff]

I don't think he was a slave

[sleek barn]

uh hold on

piety says

I want that fine arse of yours to be the last thing I see.

WAHAHA

[pliant hamlet]

Haha yeah

[grizzled lily]

she a freak

[pliant hamlet]

Aristocrat is a pretty interesting ascendency

[elfin shale]

75% increased omniscience pog

[pliant hamlet]

30% attributes is crazy high

[elfin shale]

90% i guess

[elfin shale]

Thats my GOAT dude

[pliant hamlet]

It has fuckall else lol

[elfin shale]

Dont be rude to my passive points

[pliant hamlet]

+1 level of all gems, +3 non-exceptional supports and 15% quality of skill gems are all terrible

[pulsar dune]

I wish they buffed the quality at least

[steel light]

she's into being impaled too

[sleek barn]

make it 30%

or 50%

[pliant hamlet]

so 8 skill points and 30% to some attributes, and immunity to up to 2 of shocked, ignited and frozen

[elfin shale]

They should put that onto a select one of three thing and make it like +3 levels, +5 supports, +40% quality

[pliant hamlet]

maybe 5% inc dmg per 5 of your lowest attributes

[sleek barn]

hell do -3 to level of all gems and +100% to quality

[pliant hamlet]

that'd be so interesting

what breaks at stupid high quality

[elfin shale]

EBLADE STONKS +100000000000000000000

[pliant hamlet]

firestorm comes to mind

eblade too

[elfin shale]

With +100% im pretty sure Eblade can start giving you % More energy shield lol

[sleek barn]

i gotta remove eblade from your brain Munin

[pliant hamlet]

lmao

[sleek barn]

no more eblade for you

[pulsar dune]

you'd need 200 quality

which would be attainable actually

[pliant hamlet]

yeah I was just thinking that lol

[pulsar dune]

idk what skill you'd click that'd benefit from that much quality

[elfin shale]

Less since the debuff goes down with levels

[sleek barn]

absolution of inspiring

bodyswap of sacrifice

[pulsar dune]

it doesn't afaict

[pliant hamlet]

Viper strike, absolution of inspiring, eblade

[pulsar dune]

oh wait, heavy strike of trarthus aristocrat

[pliant hamlet]

+(2-40)% more Damage with Poison```

[elfin shale]

huh i thought for sure it did, oh well

[sleek barn]

wait hold on

the portal gem

login

[elfin shale]

Now we're cookin with gas

[sleek barn]

300% increased cast speed on portal

[pliant hamlet]

it'd be funny if they gave us just broken af numbers in phrecia

just doubled the power of every ascendency lol

[pulsar dune]

ideally you'd want something that goes to zero with quality

[elfin shale]

And some of them would still be dogwater lol

[pliant hamlet]

hah

[sleek barn]

you get five additional zombies with +100%

uh

[elfin shale]

Discharge

Discharge

[tight plinth]

ms of zenith is kinda insane too

[pliant hamlet]

oh discharge is a fun one

[hard cliff]

[sleek barn]

conversion trap gets 20 seconds of additional duration!

[elfin shale]

And you're a duelist so you can FF Slayer node

[pulsar dune]

explosive concoction of destruction could be interesting as well

but that one wants levels

[elfin shale]

I want to run that skill at some point

[pliant hamlet]

kinetic bolt

would go insane

[pulsar dune]

oh yea, that's probably better than heavy strike of trathus lel

[sleek barn]

stormbind would get some crazy stats per improvement

[pliant hamlet]

powersiphon of archmage too

[night bone]

ware phrecia buff/nerfs

[sleek barn]

i am now aware

[elfin shale]

Yeah this'd make 18 overlaps reasonable to get

[night bone]

well make me ware too

[elfin shale]

Which is a nuclear fucking bomb

[pliant hamlet]

Lol Frenzy of Onslaught, 12% more attackspeed per frenzy charge * 12 frenzy charges

so useless but would be funny

[sleek barn]

you can make flicker strike of power self sustainable

way over actually

so not worth it

[pliant hamlet]

Reave gains stages per 10 quality

[pulsar dune]

voltaxic burst would be decent as well

[pliant hamlet]

you could return reave to its old school aoe range

[pulsar dune]

at 200 qual flicker self-sustains

realistically you'd need way less than 200

[sleek barn]

raise zombie of falling gets 100% chance to deal double damage

[pliant hamlet]

you could make chain hook of trathus hit everything on the screen

EQ of amplification!

10 minute long EQ when

[pulsar dune]

oh storm burst would be crazy

[sleek barn]

LC gets 24% more damage per 5% shock effect, so at 80% shock you get 1920% more damage

wait

i mathed wrong

384%

[pulsar dune]

at 80 quality it's 100% more over 20 quality

[elfin shale]

I should do LC sometime

[pulsar dune]

IG that's not that good

yea I'm scheming LC, but it kinda needs ele shock

[elfin shale]

Dan did you know you can scale Elementalist forced shock with % inc effect of lightning ailments

[sleek barn]

i did

[pliant hamlet]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Dominating_Blow_of_Inspiring

[elfin shale]

Its fucked up

[sleek barn]

its kinda low base though

so i'd rather do like

shock nova or crack lance of disintegration

oh shit

crack lance of disintegration gets +60% to maximum shock

lmao

[pulsar dune]

ooh, nice one

is there anything with max chill in quality

no

no immortal build that easily

[elfin shale]

Petrified Blood

[pliant hamlet]

pyroclast is boring but absolutely absurd

[sleek barn]

quality on pyroclast just makes it easier to hit max no?

[elfin shale]

Its more projectiles

[sleek barn]

oh

[pliant hamlet]

yeah

[sleek barn]

im thinking of sabotage

and old of sabotage

[elfin shale]

Its still more projectiles

lol

[sleek barn]

wtf

oh you can do triple offerings and get insane offering effect

[pliant hamlet]

Manabond is pretty crazy. 50% of missing unreserved mana at 100q

[sleek barn]

golems...

[pliant hamlet]

ooo

yeah golems are pretty crazy

[kindred silo]

why r we looking at aristocrat's unplayable side

just bloodline 2 nodes

[pliant hamlet]

the discussion was if they buffed the quality a lot

say to 100%

what would be the best user lol

[kindred silo]

oh

wut if they made it affect all gems

[sleek barn]

i wouldn't touch aristocrat to begin with

bottom of the tree is untouched for me

[pulsar dune]

all gem quality huh

[pliant hamlet]

are tehre any really powerful support qualities

[sleek barn]

support gems don't get that much from quality

[pliant hamlet]

Isn't archmage good

[pulsar dune]

infused channeling makes you damage immune at 2000 quality lel

[kindred silo]

i remember a couple being really good

[split maple]

all gem qual would be pretty handy for leveling enlightens and shit in 5ways

[sleek barn]

yep lets get to 2000 qual

login insane % increase

[elfin shale]

wait kinda hype actually

[pliant hamlet]

pcoc is good

[pulsar dune]

ancestral call would be hilarious

[sleek barn]

is this still +100% or just +15% to all gems?

[kindred silo]

we get chance to flee up to 100%

[pliant hamlet]

iir

[kindred silo]

basically immortal

[sleek barn]

guys block chance reduction support so exped is playable

[pliant hamlet]

if living lightning support is ever playable, qual on that ones good

[pulsar dune]

less duration gets really really good with quality

[signal hawk]

I'm thinking about doing Harbinger for Phrecia but after looking at the wiki it does not look the greatest

[pine ruin]

I got a dumb question. Are you able to remove quality on armor

[sleek barn]

good question

[kindred silo]

maybe like 40%

[sleek barn]

if it is corrupted you can use tainted armourers ig

[pliant hamlet]

tainted armourers I think?

[sleek barn]

to get as low as possible

[pine ruin]

Unfortunately it is not corrupted

[sleek barn]

i would be down

[split maple]

yet

[pulsar dune]

chaining range on chain support seems kinda interesting

[sleek barn]

esm joins your party and steals your item to corrupt it

[pine ruin]

I did too many blacksmiths, and the quality went up and it raised the main stat it's where i'm unable to get it without sacrificing skill points

[sleek barn]

what now

[split maple]

what?

[pliant hamlet]

what?

[pine ruin]

The thing that raises the quality on armor

[kindred silo]

it would have to be a number that is not generically strong, but good in specific niches

[split maple]

quality doesnt change requirements?

[pliant hamlet]

I might have just questioned if I knew anything about this game at all

[sleek barn]

what does it have to do with skill points?

[pliant hamlet]

quality doesn't impact stat requirements

[pine ruin]

Well, for some reason, it did and it locked my gear

[crystal talon]

Why are you guys talking about quality on support gems

[split maple]

show screenshot or something

[pliant hamlet]

bored

[sleek barn]

buff for aristocrat trust

[split maple]

prolly you removed some item and lost item requirements

[pliant hamlet]

or it gave stats itself

and you took it off to qual

[split maple]

and now you cannot equip it since you didnt satisfy its own yeah

[pliant hamlet]

and now you can't re-equip it

[pine ruin]

It gave itself stats yes and now i'm unable to use it.

[split maple]

so swap ring/ammy to smh with lots of stats

equiip it

[sleek barn]

you can equip something that gives the corresponding stat temporarily

[pliant hamlet]

Just toss on ring/amy with stats

[split maple]

then swap ring ammy back

[sleek barn]

or spec into some attribute passives temporarily

[pine ruin]

I'm probably going to have to spec because I don't.I need both rings unfortunately

[sleek barn]

its just temporarily

[pliant hamlet]

swap rings, equip weapon, swap rings back

[pulsar dune]

ooh, swiftbrand quality is really good

[pliant hamlet]

or whatever slot you can find some +whatever stat you need

talk about a support I've never used lol

[pulsar dune]

it's apparently really damaging to the pvp meta

[pine ruin]

I literally just was able to use all the gear and was excited started raising the quality of it.And then it's like, oh you can't use it anymore

I don't know why. The main stat increased

[sleek barn]

im glad you're well informed ab the pvp meta

someone has to be

[steel light]

told ya guys poe is unnecessary too complicated for most players

[pulsar dune]

are you sure you are talking poe1?

[spice pecan]

swiftbrand is?

[pulsar dune]

yea

[sleek barn]

please send a screenshot

[pulsar dune]

makes brands offscreen too fast with no room to react

based on 1 forum post

[pliant hamlet]

lmao nice

[spice pecan]

the only brand i could see being good in pvp is wintertide

[pliant hamlet]

I would call you out on sample size but

[spice pecan]

because it doesnt hit

[pliant hamlet]

who tf pvps 😄

[pulsar dune]

that 1 forum post is like 10% of the pvp playerbase, yea

I assume they have some ruleset that makes it not just about swinging your enormous mirror cock

[pliant hamlet]

idk how tf you would pvp in standard. People have such insane stats

[spice pecan]

but wtb just doesnt do enough damage to actually kill a player

[steel light]

tbh, most likely is the gems on the gear that's fucking him up, just need to remove gem 1st before equipping gear, then put the gems back

[spice pecan]

though it doesnt trigger block nor recoup

[pulsar dune]

in standard foulborn choir should be warping the meta pretty hard

[spice pecan]

and iirc swiftbrand is like bad with wtb

[pliant hamlet]

should be?

How would it

They don't have it yet 😄

[steel light]

those that lost their #1 spot and got sent to the void

[sleek barn]

voided is voided though

[pulsar dune]

should be as in in the future

[pliant hamlet]

yeah voided isn't standard

[sleek barn]

oh I suppose you mean like in vengeance

[spice pecan]

ruthless hardcore solo self found void league of spraying

[kindred silo]

well i doubt its expensive in hc so u can just suicide it

[spice pecan]

is the only league worth playing

[pulsar dune]

not anymore

[spice pecan]

you can't rip items from hc to standard now

[pliant hamlet]

They don't go to standard anymore

[spice pecan]

thank god

[sleek barn]

HC death goes to parent league

[split maple]

16 bloody rings since last synaptic

ffs game

[kindred silo]

wait wut

since when

[sleek barn]

yeah

[spice pecan]

they changed it this league

[sleek barn]

since like

[pliant hamlet]

they changed it this league

[sleek barn]

this league apparently

[spice pecan]

hardcore players were fed up as fuck over ppl ripping items out in 3.26

[kindred silo]

oh

[pliant hamlet]

tbf it is lame af

[kindred silo]

wasnt that suppose to be a bug last league

[pliant hamlet]

ruins their already tiny economy

[spice pecan]

one guy in standard with like 14 azadi crests listed by week 1

hc players were like "bro"

apparently there were multiple days where no azadi crests were even on trade in hc

last league

and that item wasn't even rare

[pliant hamlet]

I'd like to say they're easy to get but...mercs were so f'ken dangerous

I can't blame HC players for avoiding them

[spice pecan]

yeah, shield charge mercs would onepiece you

[pliant hamlet]

yeah

and he's the one who had the shield lol

[spice pecan]

still kinda funny that ppl thought they should just start hc now

and didnt realize that atlas prog, etc. doesn't transfer over to sc when you rip

[pliant hamlet]

I always suggest the same thing: start in SSF

Get a free respec when you finish your original climb

but now we have 3 trees who cares

[stoic horizon]

solo self funded

[spice pecan]

ssf atlas prog doesn't transfer either when you migrate tho

[pliant hamlet]

It does

[pulsar dune]

you can click migrate all

[pliant hamlet]

You have to click migrate all

[spice pecan]

i never click migrate all

because it fucks up everything that isn't your stash

heist/expedition locker, mercenaries, all of that in tradeleague gets deleted and replaced with your ssf garbage

[pliant hamlet]

back in the era of 1 tree, it was a good strat to get your 4 stones then transfer out to trade w/ migrate all

you transfered on day 2 or 3

[spice pecan]

yeah i dont doubt that

[pliant hamlet]

if you no lifed it

[spice pecan]

thank fuck we have 3 trees now

[pliant hamlet]

Yeaaah no reason to do that degen shit

[spice pecan]

and even ssf still has to snort orbs of unmaking

[pliant hamlet]

Nah just use gold

especially this league, no reason to gamble

we have tree

[split maple]

you can refund your atlas for like 250k gold all points

[pliant hamlet]

yeah

[split maple]

and you never refund all

like its virtually free

[spice pecan]

using gold to respec past level 90 in league is extremely inefficient

also yeah never click refund all

[split maple]

char respec yeah

atlas respec is constant price

[pliant hamlet]

That's your char, it's very expensive yeah

use regrets past 90

[split maple]

full char respec is like 3mil or so, full atlas is 250k

[pliant hamlet]

or more like past 95

[spice pecan]

oh huh i thought atlas scaled with league max level too

[pliant hamlet]

1-2m gold is fine

when it goes over 5m

fuck that

[hexed mountain]

Even if you dont need tree its better to start ssf and migrate

Because there is significantly less people in ssf town

[split maple]

its better to not migrate tbh

[spice pecan]

who cares about who is in town

[pliant hamlet]

if you care about your speed you do lol

you lose 10+ seconds everytime you go to town in trade

[spice pecan]

why and how are you guys getting fucked by load times in town lol

[hexed mountain]

Less stutter at leaguestart when town is full

[spice pecan]

are you playing on IDE drives

[split maple]

its not so bad since they lowered number of folks per instance league or two ago

but its still bad

[hard cliff]

I like playing with people in campaign though

[split maple]

mtx fucks you in the as

[spice pecan]

mtx literally doesn't extend my load times at all

i have the same load times going to town in ssf versus leaugestart trade

[split maple]

idk man you live nextdoor to main server or smh?

[pliant hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[spice pecan]

and i've timed it bc ppl make a huge deal about it

[hard cliff]

still funny to be everyone routes through texas whether they want too or not

[pliant hamlet]

Just due to how much MTX I own I increase my load times by a fair bit.

[spice pecan]

load time into town is more based on how fast your machine can render shit, has very little to do with ping

[hard cliff]

might as well just stay on texas globally

[hexed mountain]

There is no downside tbh

[spice pecan]

install the game on an m.2 drive

[split maple]

honestly as long as you arent routed via frankfurt you prolly ok

[spice pecan]

and enjoy having consistant loads

[split maple]

german isps fucking over entire europe

[pliant hamlet]

I'm also on a M2 ssd

[crystal talon]

I need build ideas so I don't have to replay my last phercia char. 😔

[hexed mountain]

Manaforged whisperer

[spice pecan]

then your issues aren't mtx

hate to break it

[pliant hamlet]

I will say I don't think any game is as p2l as poe lol

[spice pecan]

brother

[hard cliff]

Wildspeaker farrul cats + spectral wolves scourge claws forest minion maxing

[stoic horizon]

pov me having all closest servers across Germany

[spice pecan]

you have never played a p2l game then

[pliant hamlet]

There's a reason speedrunners use no mtx accounts

[spice pecan]

they use no mtx accounts because they have to change accounts anyway if doing a run beyond a10

i am a speedrunner of many steam games, i know how and why this happens

[hexed mountain]

Even if its just slightly slower it is slower idk why we trying to argue

[hard cliff]

name three speed runs

[spice pecan]

100 meter, cross country, and the mile

[pliant hamlet]

? I'm talking about the fact that the game loads your full cache of MTX everytime you load into a new zone

[spice pecan]

it's already cached unless you clear cache

[pliant hamlet]

and accounts with more MTX inherently have longer load times

[spice pecan]

that's the entire reason a cache exists xd

i dunno, it's weird, but in my testing i haven't ever seen load time discrepancies between how many ppl are in town/how much mtx they have

[hexed mountain]

Have you considered people have different setups?

[spice pecan]

i am aware, which is why i asked if homie was playing off an IDE drive

[pliant hamlet]

You're the only person I've seen claim that more populated towns do not add lag

you said you did testing; do you have proof?

[hard cliff]

I've got an nvme I have no idea what the difference is

[spice pecan]

nvme/m.2 is the standard nowadays for fast drives

[hexed mountain]

Before i bought a new PC last year the difference between ssf town and trade town in league town start was like 10 seconds

[spice pecan]

let me check my video folders rq

[spice pecan]

i don't get 10 second loads literally anywhere, even when connecting to some hideout on the other side of the planet

[pliant hamlet]

I wonder how hard it'd be to get mathil to try loading a zone on a fresh acct vs his acct

because I think he has the most mtx of anyone

[hexed mountain]

Yeah i have no long loadings anymore too

[spice pecan]

loadscreen discrepancies nowadays probably max out at +/- 2 seconds tbh, outside of teleporting to seller hideout

[hexed mountain]

And on a shit pc people who enter town make you stutter its actually annoying

[pliant hamlet]

between frame loss and loading times I think I lose about 4s on standard vs private league in populated towns. about ~2s on loading time, and the rest in frame loss

[spice pecan]

well frame loss is a cpu problem

though particle effects obv will cause your cpu more stress, but if your cpu is that old, then that's a different problem

[pliant hamlet]

I'd argue it's an engine or optimization problem personally

[spice pecan]

that's fair to say in something like blight

but your cpu should have way more overhead than what's needed to process particle effects, dynamic lighting, etc

tho poe really does need to offload that onto the gpu i agree

[hexed mountain]

Im just glad i dont have to deal with the betrayal BS anymore

[pliant hamlet]

Either way the point was more people in a zone inherently makes it take longer to load and takes longer to traverse it

[spice pecan]

speaking of blight, shoutout to the composer of the blight music

[hexed mountain]

Betrayal worked fine in betrayal league and then for a while every intervention encounter would freeze for 5 seconds

[spice pecan]

that 7/8 track is a fucking BANGER

[hexed mountain]

Idk what they changed but it was legit making HC impossible

[pliant hamlet]

Betrayal during Betrayal was so bad for 50% of people lol

[spice pecan]

as if intervention didn't murder hc chars enough LUL

[hexed mountain]

Like to do a race event for the box i played a max block minion build just so minions could fight the intervention encounter during the freeze

[tight tundra]

Any bets on info today so we can theorycraft over the weekend?

[pliant hamlet]

hah

That's awesome

[hard cliff]

Lag defensive layers

[hexed mountain]

Yeah, glad i have an actual PC now

[pliant hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/@KamilOrmanJanowski/videos

if you ever wanted to listen to some of his music, had to hunt it down

[spice pecan]

🔥

[fallow fern]

can i use this as a budget int/str stacking amulet

[hexed mountain]

No its forbidden

[pliant hamlet]

I prefer astramentis as the budget option, but that looks fine? Compare it to astramentis. if it's better, use it? lol

[fallow fern]

i am just not sure if a high attribute amulet would be better

[elfin shale]

You only need ~500 base attributes to beat astramentis

[fallow fern]

i have 800 each atm

[elfin shale]

Greatwolf is a great budget option

[pliant hamlet]

Not having to worry about dex is so comfy

[hexed mountain]

Only annoying part is annointing

[fallow fern]

i have double 35% effect all attributes clusters

[elfin shale]

Astramentis does buff your off stats though, which is nice

[fallow fern]

i have too much dex

[pliant hamlet]

as long as you have >500 base str/int, that amulet will be solid for ya. If you're ivory tower too, the crit is very nice

since you're super under the crit cap with that

[hard cliff]

bought more RAM before the price is spiked and I recently bought a external cheap 1 TB SSD and now prices are about to spike on those. I'll let you guys know my next electronic purchase so you can get in beforehand.

[pliant hamlet]

sounds like the lion's share of the AI Market is going to collapse in 1.5 - 2 years if nothing changes, sooo...hopefully everything will go back to normal after that.

[fallow fern]

i really wanna buy ram atm but i dont even know if its worth it

[lean urchin]

ask ai if its worth it

[fallow fern]

true

[pliant hamlet]

DDR5-6000s went from $200 to $950 over 5 months :<

[worldly bridge]

why am i watching a video where someone is talking about the atlas tree for phrecia? I thought atlas tree was disabled

[elfin shale]

Buy broken laptops pls i have so many

[pliant hamlet]

it is

[worldly bridge]

ok i just misunderstood what he was talking about

[lilac parcel]

if you do strong boxes and altars ? can the scarabs be douped by the altar mod ?

[spice pecan]

man's typing a book, or his cat slept on his keyboard

[crystal talon]

[hard cliff]

thank you cats

[spice pecan]

[hard cliff]

Facebook messenger has that bug and it drives me nuts

[crystal talon]

I can not find good enough build. I guess it is horker life for me

[spice pecan]

my ex recently messaged me on FB and he was like "you've been typing for 3 days are you okay?"

and in the box was a capital J

lmao

[hard cliff]

lmao

[spice pecan]

i eagerly await the book @tranquil sedge is typing

[split maple]

srev you ok? should i call someone?

[tranquil sedge]

smh my head

[spice pecan]

LMAO

actually laughed irl

[shadow socket]

i imagine you typing 1 letter every minute

just focusing as hard as possible

[tranquil sedge]

m.2 is just a form factor/shape (the one that looks like a stick of chewing gum)
sata and pcie are interfaces
nvme and sata (again sata yes) are communication protocols, think of it as the sdd 'type'

when ur buying ssds nowadays, its basically just choosing a valid combination of those

earlier ssds, those larger ones that looked like a thicker credit card shape, used the SATA ports on your motherboard (the same ones your hard drives use), over the sata interface to connect and read/write a faster than a hard drive but still not at modern ssd speeds

later came m.2 drives, that plug into a m.2 slot, and they can either be nvme (using pcie interface) or sata based (if the same m.2 port is wired for sata connection as well, depending on motherboard compatibility)

most modern consumer ssds are nvme m.2, and the 'gen' on the label (like pcie gen 3, gen 4, gen 5) is an indicator of how fast they are

and until recently (the whole bullshit memory shortage) prices were pretty cheap

[shadow socket]

AAAAAAAAAA

[spice pecan]

HOLY

[eternal hill]

GET DOWN

[tranquil sedge]

i was typing him an explanation lol

u nerds

[split maple]

new pasta just droped

[bitter hound]

When do sales reset? In three or two hours?

[eternal hill]

nah, that'd be bullying

[tranquil sedge]

i am not so easily bullied

[spice pecan]

wait srev was actually typing

i feel bad now lmao

[tranquil sedge]

yes lmao

[eternal hill]

https://tenor.com/view/goblin-troupe-path-of-exile-poe-mtx-gif-10719513272554826496

[spice pecan]

im so sorry

[tranquil sedge]

normally i prep messages in notepad so i don't accidentally hit enter

i also wasn't planning on typing that much but idk it just happened

[spice pecan]

man published his book before it was ready cuz of me

[sleek barn]

you gotta let srev cook his messages

they're fully formatted college thesis essays

[shadow socket]

go bother george rr martin pls

[hard cliff]

thanks for the long explanation

good read

[tranquil sedge]

welcome

[spice pecan]

i thought it was srev's cat cooking up an HHHHHHHH+++++++J8901293

type of thing

[split maple]

ffs game

does any reasonable build ever use that?

[sleek barn]

i remember when bloon just typed [[[[[===========//// or something like that

[tranquil sedge]

lole

[hard cliff]

@spice pecan
you read it now

[sleek barn]

it was promptly deleted

[spice pecan]

cwc deadge

[steady elk]

tldr buy the cheapest SSD you can find that's nvme

[spice pecan]

FUCK i missed it

god dammit

i'm unreasonably sad

[tranquil sedge]

yep pretty much
and dont fill it to 100%

[sleek barn]

cat on keyboard is the worst debuff known to mankind

[shadow socket]

this one is especially funny because it legit does shit all

[eternal hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J---aiyznGQ

[split maple]

i never checked but these eagon mapies actually have pretty interesting card selection

[spice pecan]

i got timed out in zfg's chat because of cat

[eternal hill]

o'mayo'cans

[spice pecan]

and i scrolled up and chat immediately was like "cat message"

[shadow socket]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Mayo

[spice pecan]

make longer COCKA

[tranquil sedge]

im still on win10 lol

[spice pecan]

i just realised my 512gb ssd has 3gb free

and 200gb ish of that is poo2

lemme just fix that real kwik

[tranquil sedge]

if ur using it as rarely accessed storage its probably whatever

[spice pecan]

it has my OS

and like, poe1/2

[tranquil sedge]

if ur using it for anything that'll write to it, like an os or games, yea free up some of that space

clean it down to 'just' 90% used or something idk and call it a day

[spice pecan]

used to have ff13 on it till i stopped speedrunning that game

[potent bramble]

I remembered the last Phrecia enabling some immense shenanagains with min/maxing into a specific mechanic, but I couldn't remember the specifics... just cooked up an idea on the Idol Planner from last time, and realized/remembered that between Idols and Scarabs, we can have 25 boss Harbingers with 120% CDR and a chance to drop currency as items. Plus the currency duplication, for anything that doesn't get turned into a full item. Per map.

I am once again hyped.

[spice pecan]

the immense shenanigans you're referring to was rogue exiles

[tranquil sedge]

full map of boss harbingers was a popular strat last time yes

[spice pecan]

printing >100d/hr

[tranquil sedge]

and the shenanigans was rogue exiles ^

giant rogue exiles

with wisps

and deli

[crystal talon]

[tranquil sedge]

it was a big dick gamer strat
u needed a strong ass build to clear and expensive ass idols and per-map investment was high

but the reward was commensurate

[spice pecan]

what if i am the only person on the planet that's going to full send tormented spirits

[potent bramble]

But presumably that's going to have been nerfed b/c it was too strong. While Harbs weren't really too strong b/c the actual drops weren't scaled. You just got more

[split maple]

rogues already got massive loot penalty

[spice pecan]

well giant exiles were nerfed because of ritual

[tranquil sedge]

i mean it already got nerfed ^

[spice pecan]

but yeah

[split maple]

and no uploads to rituals anymore

[spice pecan]

the upload-download strat of exiles in ritual got gutted in 3.27

[tranquil sedge]

it might still be a viable strat in phrecia tho

[spice pecan]

dont think so

[split maple]

ruckus can compensate, but it wont be close to as ridiculus as it was

[spice pecan]

ritual respawned mobs get something like 80% less IIR and IIQ

[tranquil sedge]

but only coz idols might be able to make up for the gutting of exiles through sheer quantity of exiles instead, and map effect

[split maple]

you do still get 40 unique mobs per map

that is something

[tranquil sedge]

forget the ritual part for a sec

[spice pecan]

and the entire reason it worked in the first place was bc the giant exile would split, then you'd kill the small ones

which werent affected by ritual penalty

[tranquil sedge]

they did wat

big exile became little exile?

i didnt even notice it lol

[split maple]

yea srev when you kill giants you get lil bros

[spice pecan]

it became like 10 little ones, yeah

and those were not ritual tagged

[split maple]

and lil bros didnt count as ritual

[spice pecan]

so the loot would drop instantly

[split maple]

it was beautiful

[shadow socket]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Anarchy_Scarab_of_Gigantification

[tranquil sedge]

tbf i only ran a handful of maps at league end so iiwii

[hard cliff]

Holy crap

[tranquil sedge]

anyway even if we set aside exiles for a sec

harbinger is going to be popular

harvest is going to be popular

wat else

[spice pecan]

TORMENTED SPIRITS

alkLFG

[split maple]

ulti was 40div/h when i was running it in phrecia

[tranquil sedge]

deli farming strat, that'll be popular, the one that used a buttload of 1x1 idols to get faster reward bar progress

[spice pecan]

(dont steal my strat it's bad)

[split maple]

you could force currency rewarding inscribeds, so you printed 8div dupers like almost per map

[spice pecan]

ima be ghostbusting on wintertide brand

[tranquil sedge]

yea ultimatum's gonna be popular

[split maple]

maps were 2div or so invest each, but idols were like free since folks were buying wrong ones

[pulsar dune]

the current legion ghost farming setup should be feasible on idols IG

[true falcon]

Lost caches is going to be my starter strat

[spice pecan]

idk i want to run a strat where idols arent 20c for a 1mod

[tranquil sedge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1j4wsga/41_idol_strats_overview_and_setup_poe_1_phrecia/

oh here we go i was lookin for that video lol

[split maple]

like who the fuck cares about number of rounds when running cata+inscr 😄

[spice pecan]

tbh

[potent bramble]

In addition it also has 13 corrupted/rare strongboxes/map with 280% increased chance for Arcanist, duplicated currency/map/div card drops, and +60 int for a random Safehouse. Assuming, of course, that the relevant modifiers aren't nerfed

[true falcon]

Because clicking them is fun

[tranquil sedge]

it would be really fucking funny if they nerfed the things ngl

so lame that it becomes funny

[true falcon]

Inb4 GGG forgot to put Settlers on Idols

[split maple]

they said in announcement they making these explicitly

i am just hoping revealed bps can still be printed

and morigans per map pls

[potent bramble]

If you went Marauder -> Ancestral Commander you can make your warcries open chest 😄

[true falcon]

No AC, only Antiquarian

[elder marlin]

Grueling has 3 extra round=3 extra cata rolls

Each roll r abt 7-10 cata

[split maple]

i mean the bribing idols, like rewards as if you completed extra round

[true falcon]

I want my 8k ward life for 2 ascendency points

[pulsar dune]

yea idk what those do in regular game ngl

[stoic horizon]

3% chance to turn currency into crops

[pulsar dune]

ppl were discussing running just one in global at some point

[pliant hamlet]

what is your pfp

[true falcon]

Bloodlines help so many ascendencys that had like 1 good thing and things you don't want to click

[elder marlin]

Hydrapple

[stoic horizon]

ngl most of the time im trying to find an useful node in bloodlines for my build i fail

[tranquil sedge]

they're pretty neat to do that but bloodlines prob need some more buffing to a bunch of them that don't see much use

[stoic horizon]

there are some cases where you truly benefit from these but lot of time there arent any good ones

[tranquil sedge]

and also it highlights which ascendencies need buffs too directly lmao

[true falcon]

Too many bloodlines are like "get a minion"

[stoic horizon]

like catarina was extremally good on my dark pact

but any time i made other build i couldnt pick anything good

[split maple]

Farul bloodline prolly needs a nerf or two

[hard cliff]

top tier nu pokemon

[split maple]

It's kinda op compared to other ones

[stoic horizon]

the specter node?

[spice pecan]

i think they need to consider %chance to avoid bleed/poison/impale mod as a brick mod

because atm, its not looking like a good idea to run a bleed/poison build

[tawny garnet]

is it crazy that the most profitable strats are beast farming and harvest farming, which have low build requirements? whats the point of having giga dps if bossing doesn't give better profit than these?

[split maple]

Farul kitties are a lot of speed and crit early, while lategame that bottom node that gives you action speed immunity and shite while having spectre

[hard cliff]

it's one of the few good ones man

[pulsar dune]

this league or in phrecia?

[elder marlin]

Nah its dogsht, this pic is from pac tho

[tawny garnet]

this league

[split maple]

Farul is op, trialmaster and aul are interesting, the other ones kinda need a buff imo

[hard cliff]

what the hell how is it dogshit

[spice pecan]

didn't exploud recently get banned from NU

[true falcon]

I calced 160 hits/second on lancing steel of spraying. Hope that's enough for 5% regain ward chance

[spice pecan]

i saw the reddit post

[elfin shale]

Blight:

[pulsar dune]

isn't it either the weird ghost legion thing or blight

[elfin shale]

or yeah ghost legion

[spice pecan]

ghosted legion probably isn't compatible with phrecia

or at least won't be like giga juicy

[hard cliff]

don't care about any of that competitive crap I'm just commenting it's a cool Pokemon because it looks like a cool pokemon. Pokemon are about being friends and doing your best not autistic min maxing in some kind of a strange competition.

[split maple]

Lateleague harvest and beasts tend to beat juicers

[elfin shale]

And even then im pretty confident you make more profit bossing than beasting

[pulsar dune]

beasts if you have a really fast build are probably up there tbh

[split maple]

Since who wants to run that

[spice pecan]

idols fall off kinda hard when you start doing more than 1 mechanic

[pulsar dune]

huh, IG this late it's possible since we're shifting to standard pricing

[true falcon]

.125s average ward recovery with an upper limit of 1s. Surely that's enough