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hexed egret
Bro this PoE2 league is so fucking wild, not even Affliction was this wild
Never was there a league where people were paid in PoE1 for just existing in a mechanic
I was paid 22d just for being in a temple
Like that is so wild
hexed egret
Was there a PoE1 league like that
Like people were paid to just tag along
I know Affliction was loot galore
onyx adder
Are u asking whether ppl were ever paid to provide quant bonus
hexed egret
It was a great league
onyx adder
Answer is yes obvs
hexed egret
But in such a large scale?
onyx adder
I dont know, because comparison of scale requires me to talk about poe2
hexed egret
Like I see many many groups advertising for people to join them
onyx adder
Which i dont want to do in poe1 chat
hexed egret
Man I want to talk about this in like PoE1 terms
onyx adder
That requires this chat to care about a poe2 league tho
hexed egret
True but I was hoping there was someone who played both lol
thick goblet
people would join pl, campaign skip, migrate to trade
proud gorge
Okay, I get that people don't like running campaign repeatedly, but what do you think the alternative is? Do you think Campaign Skip would also give you 70 levels?
opaque sphinx
buy private league
campaign skip 1 of each ascendancy
migrate to league
close private league
????
profit
proud gorge
you'd still need to level your character
in level-appropriate zones
and that means campaign
So your idea for a campaign replacement is to instead run through "maps" which span the entire level range from 1 to 70, in which you run through the zone killing enemies to level up?
there's no difference
okay what difference
? You still have to go into campaign zones and kill a bunch of enemies in the zone
so the benefit here is... not talking to NPCs a couple of times?
rancid peak
He isnt wrong tbh, the only difference would really be just no npc interaction
rancid peak
Wouldnt say quicker, would still be about the same
proud gorge
again, the slowest part of "campaign" is levelling up, which is why campaign speedruns end the campaign massively underlevelled
proud gorge
again, I think people have constructed this idea that "mapping" is inherently "more fun" completely regardless of any other context
rancid peak
Sure Mapping is more fun, don't think a majority would disagree with that, but it doesnt mean it would necessarily be faster
proud gorge
remember that, among other things, you wouldn't get the Atlas Tree
or, like, basically any other benefits of "mapping"
that make it not just functionally a campaign zone but with inconsistent layouts
stoic horizon
rancid peak
If you could, it would most likely limit you being able to do proper mapping content until 60-65
proud gorge
like, maps are basically just campaign zones with inconsistent layouts, but you also have to spend an item to enter?
that's, like, two negatives and no positives
rancid peak
oof, you get unlucky enough to not drop a map and you're cooked 🤣
We NEVER said campaign was more fun btw
thick goblet
lvl 1 is going to feel the exact same no matter what the tileset looks like
proud gorge
the only real benefits of maps over campaign is a) ability to benefit from atlas tree, b) ability to benefit from scarabs, and c) ability to be rolled with currency that you don't have at low level
rancid peak
Again, do you have ANY proof of this?
thick goblet
so you just want more xp?
proud gorge
It sounds like you don't want campaign skip, you just want much faster levelling
which is fine to say, just don't pretend that's what campaign skip is
people have postulated about a theoretical "infinite delve" as a replacement for campaign levelling, since Delve is pretty good density even at low level
but just trying to replace campaign zones with maps doesn't actually, like, do anything?
thick goblet
im confused, what does ramp faster mean if it's not faster levelling
like genuine question
rancid peak
"You do not need faster levelling"
Meanwhile:
proud gorge
even rolling these theoretical "campaign maps" wouldn't serve much purpose because the main benefit of rolling regular maps is increased quant and rarity
in return for higher difficulty
stoic horizon
so you are implying you'd only get better layouts?
proud gorge
and like, I don't think rolling "campaign maps" for higher quant and rarity in exchange for higher difficulty is particularly useful
for levelling
rancid peak
Yes, we all know about Blood Aqueducts lil bro, relax
proud gorge
Again, there's actual campaign speedruns, and they end up massively underlevelled because turns out you can run through zones massively faster than you can level up in them
rancid peak
Me 🤣
proud gorge
walking through zones is very much not the limiting factor in terms of "campaign speed"
unless you're really bad at layouts I guess?
rancid peak
So you dont even want to do maps, you just want multiple straight areas with mobs to kill
proud gorge
you can yeah, but again, the main thing that makes campaign "slow" is having to level your character up from 1 to like 65 or so
the actual "running through zones" is very much not the limiting factor for campaign speed
thick goblet
i dont think you can say that's in the framework ggg would agree, when they've said they dont want any form of campaign skip
rancid peak
He's right, Literally only feels slow because of how low level you are. As soon as you hit act 3/4, it gets pretty quick
tranquil sedge
you mean running shitty maps with zero loot? yea nobody is going to do that either
they'll just complain about that instead
stoic horizon
no matter if you are in a "map" or on the beach
tranquil sedge
zero juice zero difficulty zero loot
tulip junco
Hello everyone I have a serious question
rancid peak
Wouldnt change anything. No movement skills, barely any skills and supports, would barely make a difference
proud gorge
side note, xp penalties are very much a thing, the speedrun is taking hard ass xp penalties by the end of campaign, because there's significant penalties for fighting significantly over leveled enemies. The only reason this is less of the case in maps is because enemies in map levels have a deliberately much lower "effective level" for determining xp penalties
so no, you would not be running massively overlevelled campaign maps for xp
proud gorge
you get the most xp from fighting enemies at around your level
tranquil sedge
do you think your campaign loot is even worth a dozen chaos?
proud gorge
which, guess what, the campaign nicely funnels you through
tranquil sedge
ur lucky if u get 20c by the end of campiang in value lol
you can run red maps on 20c of gear
that doesn't make it 'loot'
proud gorge
leaguestart builds are designed to run red maps on like 5c yeah
tranquil sedge
thats still trash
stoic horizon
bro spends 24h in ossuary
tranquil sedge
running maps for a few hours to get 20c ?
proud gorge
but the reason people complain about campaign is that they want to make big bucks in maps
tranquil sedge
that is zero loot
tulip junco
Ranger * Default attack* if I upgrade Projectile passives the default attack do More dmg?
tranquil sedge
if you have nothing to say you want to end the convo
yes, the common exit of the idiot
proud gorge
Ranger * Default attack* if I upgrade Projectile passives the default attack do ...
it should yeah, default attack is a projectile
well, bow default attack
not sure why you'd want that though
literally any bow attack is just default attack but better
tranquil sedge
you can't find a coherent way to reason why people would run maps to get effectively almost zero loot for a few hours over running a campaign for a few hours which also effectively gets almost zero loot
and when people call you out for your bullshit you wanna end the campaign
that loot is worthless
its not even worth calling 'loot'
spring axle
"I can not talk to people who don't agree with me"
tranquil sedge
^
tulip junco
it should yeah, default attack is a projectile
Oh great thank you
tranquil sedge
one red map makes yo more money than the entire campaign
hell one yellow map with harvest already makes more
rancid peak
Look, I think a majority of players would prefer a campaign skip of some sort. I would love if Alts would instant be 65 and in maps, I make like 15-20 characters a league, It's just that your idea sucks 👍
tranquil sedge
of course its worthless
you think we consider value based on how much we make in campaign?
the only purpose of campaign is to reach maps
proud gorge
the point being made is that when people talk about "juiced maps giving loot", a single juiced map gives exponentially more loot than you get in the entirety of the campaign
tranquil sedge
no
campaign is zero div per hour
of course its your point because you responded to me saying if u ran maps instead of campaign for 4 hours you'd get almost no loot
you want to run maps instead of campaign zones
rancid peak
The XP WOULD BE THE SAME
tranquil sedge
im saying why would anyone run them
maps are fun because they give loot
maps without loot are no different to existing campaign
rancid peak
There's probably more mobs in the campaign zones than early maps
tulip junco
literally any bow attack is just default attack but better
I use projectile and I use and attack dmg passives and tried to find the better on that’s why I’m asking
tranquil sedge
did you run out of coherent arguments again
rancid peak
Wouldnt mind that tbh
proud gorge
the point is that you're trying to insist that somehow replacing campaign with "mapping" would make it automatically better, but the main benefit of "mapping" over zones is that they make way more loot in endgame with a highly invested atlas tree and scarabs. And if you have neither of those things, then mapping is just running campaign zones but with inconsistent layouts
tranquil sedge
yea
im saying that we already do that and its better than the half-baked idea you came up with
rancid peak
Mate you will too. You'll run it, bitch about it, and still complete it like a good boy
stoic horizon
ayy finally
proud gorge
yes
drowsy eagle
me
spring axle
Me
rancid peak
ME
sand glen
its easier just to leave lol
stoic horizon
i dont need to see him anymore very convinient
proud gorge
It's wild that some people think only about surface level labels and no deeper
spring axle
Id screenshot your messages in that case but i cba
proud gorge
maybe that's why he immediately turned to base insults
stoic horizon
bro had very hard arguments for someone whos comments were on b0b5 vid in the rue drama 
tranquil sedge
bro had very hard arguments for someone whos comments were on b0b5 vid in the ru...
he probably played diablo 4 once and decided lets try to cram some ideas from that here instead
proud gorge
"mapping" must be good because it's called "mapping" and not "campaign"
zero further thought
tranquil sedge
ironic he's talking about campaign skip especially with that poe2 tag on his profile lol
as if poe1 is the game that needs a skip to begin with
proud gorge
oh man, did you hear they made poE2 campaign even longer
tranquil sedge
oh man, did you hear they made poE2 campaign even longer
just wait till all 6 acts are out 😂
proud gorge
I guess they didn't like people calling campaign the tutorial, so they really wanted campaign to be "the main game"
drowsy eagle
can someone give a good opinion for me to say so this guy would block me?
proud gorge
no matter how long it is
tranquil sedge
can someone give a good opinion for me to say so this guy would block me?
ask him why we dont make 5 div an hour in campaign
rancid peak
poe 1 campaign is simple asf. league start im finishing that in 8-10, alts 2-3 (Still wouldnt mind Alts being able to be instant 65 though 🙏 )
tranquil sedge
clearly that's what he took away from the conversation
tulip junco
not sure why you'd want that though
I got some items from old player who helped me and I have too much attack speed and try to maximise default attack for fast relaxing farming to explore maps that why I’m asking for Projectiles dmg and Attack dmg
tranquil sedge
poe 1 campaign is simple asf. league start im finishing that in 8-10, alts 2-3 (...
Still wouldnt mind Alts being able to be instant 65 though
they'll never do that for a bunch of reasons
but at least your second run will be like half ur leaguestart time
my leaguestart times are about the same as yours too
8-10h depending on focus
stoic horizon
basic attack
relaxing experience
sure
soft perch
whats the tea for people malding again
proud gorge
I mean, mana really shouldn't be an issue, particularly for an attack build, even with very high attack speed
gentle ice
poe1 definitely doesn't need a campaign skip it in fact i don't even want it in poe1, but i would 100% take it on poe2 tho 🤣
soft perch
oh right
stoic horizon
whats the tea for people malding again
campaign skip comvo yet again
proud gorge
a single mana leech node should cover mana costs entirely
rancid peak
Yeah, but when im making 15-20 characters a league, I'd REALLY love insta 65 for alts 🤣
soft perch
i think campaign is pretty satisfying in poe1
rancid peak
Well
soft perch
the pace of progression is fun
thick goblet
Yeah, but when im making 15-20 characters a league, I'd REALLY love insta 65 for...
how many character slots do you have
proud gorge
yeah, what people want isn't so much campaign skip as it is levelling skip
stoic horizon
mald of the day is campaign
join the "blocked by traplord" gang
soft perch
u can feel ur build coming together
rancid peak
I might dial back on the amount of characters Imake now
proud gorge
which is understandable, but also there's no way they're giving us that
rancid peak
how many character slots do you have
The base 24. I delete character in standard except for 1
tranquil sedge
yea we'll sooner get a combat dummy in hideout to test dps before we get that lol
proud gorge
u can feel ur build coming together
yeah, personally I really enjoy running campaign for exactly that reason, the sense of very real progression as your character comes together
tranquil sedge
The base 24. I delete character in standard except for 1
you remove the gear tho right
rancid peak
I only started playing in 2024, so I was still learning the game and making multiple characters to learn
rancid peak
you remove the gear tho right
ofc, I usually give my stuff to a friend who plays solely standard though
spring axle
yea we'll sooner get a combat dummy in hideout to test dps before we get that lo...
Didnt they mention smt like that? Or was i dreaming?
rancid peak
Tiny Text
tranquil sedge
Didnt they mention smt like that? Or was i dreaming?
i dont remember exactly
but i know its not an uncommon suggestion from players
spring axle
I agree
rancid peak
You were the ONLY one bitching... WE had to go through it, not you 🤦
spring axle
i dont remember exactly
but i know its not an uncommon suggestion from players
Feel like they've mentioned smt like it on one of their streams but i guess i could be wrong
tranquil sedge
the only reason ggg stopped communication for a long time is coz chris wilson had a bad take in kalandra league and got downvoted to negative thousands of votes and then they cried about it lol
stoic horizon
torchlight has a dummy with a dps counter and its fun
rancid peak
You were on the side of complaints and giving ideas, which people do TO GGG, not from their viewpoint
tranquil sedge
community is a pain in the ass but lets not pretend ggg dropped the ball at times too
-# miss bex tho
stoic horizon
-# miss bex tho
i wonder how the game she does community managing now for will go
cuz afaik its not out yet
proud gorge
always find it hilarious what people go "everyone is disagreeing with me, this means I'm right and literally everybody else including experienced community members with thousands of hours of experience is wrong"
tranquil sedge
also even now their communication is pretty lackluster
that phrecia post fails to address severall points lol
- why did it start so late
- why is it ending so early
- when is 3.27 ending exact date relative to phrecia
- what date will the patch notes come
proud gorge
must be isolating to see the world like that
tranquil sedge
must be isolating to see the world like that
it wouldn't even be such a big deal if he could actually reason out his argument and justify his stance properly
but he can't even do that
stoic horizon
also even *now* their communication is pretty lackluster
that phrecia post fail...
i think phrecia will just be an end of the league event like we often get, like they used to do krangled tree or infi delve
rancid peak
Hes definitely the type of guy to type Sigh on instagram 🤣
tranquil sedge
i think phrecia will just be an end of the league event like we often get, like ...
its important coz it affects how people will play in the event, or if they'll play at all tbh
tulip junco
Another serious question
tranquil sedge
like this is just low effort on their part
rancid peak
Another serious question
Shoot
tranquil sedge
it does not respect players' time whatsoever
100% would bet they rushed that post out
thick goblet
-# miss bex tho
feel bad for her, she left to be cm at riot's mmo, but the entire project got scrapped and restarted
and now she's cm for some mediocre top down br
tulip junco
If I use sockets on armor for bow attacks it’s the same like I use this socket on bow?
rancid peak
I will say, I feel like they have MANY more ascendancies locked away, I thought we'd see some new ones
tranquil sedge
feel bad for her, she left to be cm at riot's mmo, but the entire project got sc...
unlucky yea
stoic horizon
feel bad for her, she left to be cm at riot's mmo, but the entire project got sc...
surely the mmo will release eventually 
tranquil sedge
If I use sockets on armor for bow attacks it’s the same like I use this socket o...
in general it does not matter where you socket your gems except when modifiers or whatever specifically say that it should be in a particular place.
proud gorge
man, I need another source of Blood Magic other than Malachai's Simula to bridge the gap from level 44 to 61, but I don't really want to have to corrupt all my gems
but I think that might be the only option
thick goblet
i think phrecia will just be an end of the league event like we often get, like ...
an annual phrecia would be pretty cool
also i really wish they did krangled properly, as in everyone has unique passive trees and respecs are completely free
everyone having the same one makes like only two builds viable
tulip junco
in general it does not matter where you socket your gems except when modifiers o...
Great I have a robe with 6 sockets and I use my socket items in that with supports
tranquil sedge
Great I have a robe with 6 sockets and I use my socket items in that with suppor...
having a 6 link in your body armor is the same as having a 6 link in your bow, for example, most of the time
unless say the body has a line that says 'socketed gems have -15 to mana cost'
now it matters
tulip junco
having a 6 link in your body armor is the same as having a 6 link in your bow, ...
Great thank you
tranquil sedge
the other situation would be if you were using triggers then the order of the gems matters
but again, whether its on a boot or helm or glove or body, just depends on the items
stoic horizon
an annual phrecia would be pretty cool
also i really wish they did krangled prop...
true, but also random per person would create some issues as well, ppl would be mad they got a bad tree and someone else got a cracked one
proud gorge
I think CWDT is the only one where trigger order actually matters
tranquil sedge
like there was an ascendency in 3.23 affliction that let u benefit from not having gems in your body armor
i think that's what it was?
proud gorge
since CWS just rolls every gem independently
tranquil sedge
so then ppl tried to benefit from that by using other rings and stuff
tulip junco
i think that's what it was?
Understood Ofc
stoic horizon
I think CWDT is the only one where trigger order actually matters
i think it also matters with the trigger craft
tranquil sedge
I think CWDT is the only one where trigger order actually matters
arcanist's brand applies in order too right, not that it would matter all that much?
proud gorge
ah yeah, fair enough
thick goblet
desecrate/offering is a commoncase
tranquil sedge
and yea it matters for the socketed gem trigger craft on weapons
proud gorge
but those are internal to a link
I think CWDT is the only case of trigger order mattering over multiple different items
and as a result which link you socket into which item matters
tulip junco
One more serious question and thanks everyone
In 6 sockets if I use 2 skills and 4 support. It’s fine?
tranquil sedge
One more serious question and thanks everyone
u dont have to keep saying that u can just ask as much as u want lol
yes, that's the same as having two 5-links in the same gear
both skills will be supported by the same 4 supports, if all the sockets are linked.
*and the supports are applicable
a common example is corrupting fever + reap builds
proud gorge
well, assuming both gems can be supported by all the supports
tulip junco
both skills will be supported by the same 4 supports, if all the sockets are lin...
Understood
thick goblet
i dont know what that means
thick goblet
Understood
proud gorge
he's just saying buzzwords lmao
thick goblet
the game isn't even out yet, there's no comeback to be made
tulip junco
u dont have to keep saying that u can just ask as much as u want lol
Just want to draw the attention cause everyone discussing over here 🤓🫡
soft perch
unironically less interesting than just going through acts
tulip junco
also <#509514642826199063>
I’m not talking campaign I’m talking about sockets and skills
stoic horizon
hes at it again?
proud gorge
new player help is for helping new players
stoic horizon
bro cant take an L huh
thick goblet
I’m not talking campaign I’m talking about sockets and skills
that channel is for any questions new players might have
proud gorge
regardless of the question
thick goblet
also i didnt realise they changed the channel name again
proud gorge
oh, wack
thick goblet
ew
tulip junco
that channel is for any questions new players might have
I got the help I need anyway thanks
thick goblet
I got the help I need anyway thanks
np, just in the future if your questions get skipped here if people are discussing other things
they'll be answered in that channel
proud gorge
so what, the moment a new player finishes campaign they kick them to the curb?
stoic horizon
so what, the moment a new player finishes campaign they kick them to the curb?
then theres after campaign help ig
proud gorge
oh it's because there's now "after acts help"
stoic horizon
god damnit discord fix your mobile bugs
thick goblet
so what, the moment a new player finishes campaign they kick them to the curb?
basically the point of the channel separation is how much assumed knowledge the askers have
like in new player, we assume they dont know the basics of the game at all, like how links work, that you need life/res, etc
if you've completed the campaign before, but still have campaign questions you're encouraged to ask in the other channels
since you're familiar with all the basics, and people can skip to the high level stuff when answering
proud gorge
I suppose cases of people not knowing how links work but having finished campaign are probably relatively rare
extant but rare
tranquil sedge
oh it's because there's now "after acts help"
(after acts has been there for a long time btw)
proud gorge
still not a huge fan of the rename to "new-player-in-campaign-help" since it implies that new players who aren't in campaign can't get help on basic things, but ah well
hybrid harness
should just be a single new player help channel lol why split it up, ppl who can help with acts can prob help with endgame too
thick goblet
I suppose cases of people not knowing how links work but having finished campaig...
there was someone a league or two ago who reached act 3 with a white bow and default attack
we were all amazed they stuck it out for so long without asking if it's normal to do zdps
tranquil sedge
should just be a single new player help channel lol why split it up, ppl who can...
coz the level of detail and knowledge assumption in the responses varies
onyx adder
should just be a single new player help channel lol why split it up, ppl who can...
It used to be like that
tranquil sedge
and also the kind of solutions offered to problems
onyx adder
Ppl got confused with responses too much and the channel got clogged
tranquil sedge
asking how do i fix my sockets in act 1 and in red maps is a wildly different question
onyx adder
asking how do i fix my sockets in act 1 and in red maps is a wildly different q...
Nonsense
The answer to both is ur build is shit reroll
stoic horizon
there was someone a league or two ago who reached act 3 with a white bow and def...
we had a guy here ask if proj modifiers work on bow basic attack cuz he wanted to do "basic attack relaxing gameplay" just today
tranquil sedge
-# said guy literally just asked that a few minutes ago and im sure he's here right now lol
-# you might as well use his name 😂
barren river
BASIC ATTACK?
onyx adder
What a champ
earnest raven
we had a guy here ask if proj modifiers work on bow basic attack cuz he wanted t...
Chad
stoic horizon
-# said guy literally just asked that a few minutes ago and im sure he's here ri...
ngl i dont remember the name already
tranquil sedge
hey if empy and group can make a default attack project
he can make his default attack build
-# it won't be good but still
stoic horizon
yeah
proud gorge
man, the interaction between Rolling Magma and Sabo's 50% to return is very funny though, and quite frankly would somehow be less good if it were 100% return
barren river
hey if empy and group can make a default attack project
it was an armour stacker
it doesn't count
proud gorge
the magma balls just bouncing around everywhere randomly
barren river
basic attack with replica dreamfeather
tranquil sedge
basic attack
i rest my case
barren river
it had 3 1p voices iirc
frigid wedge
hey at least it was in league
tranquil sedge
frigid wedge
yes but at least it wasnt in std
barren river
and it used smite for clearing
i will eat my desk if someone can kill ubers with default attack and they don't use an armour stacker
frigid wedge
also:
obviously expensive project to minmax dps
used expensive items that let it minmax dps
nah it doesn't count its expensive
tranquil sedge
and they don't use an armour stacker
whaddya got against armorstackers huh
thick goblet
i will eat my desk if someone can kill ubers with default attack and they don't ...
someone did uber elder default attack if that counts
tranquil sedge
barren river
> and they don't use an armour stacker
whaddya got against armorstackers huh
the archetype is too good
pulsar dune
I mean, literally this league int/Accu would do it no problem
frigid wedge
yeah
tranquil sedge
its really fucking expensive for how much you get out of it
just coz it has a huge top end doesn't make it an easy suggestion to pick
pulsar dune
Wasn't the armor stack default attack setup group play even?
tranquil sedge
straight up can think of multiple other skills better off playing for the most part
tranquil sedge
Wasn't the armor stack default attack setup group play even?
it was
frigid wedge
i love that u care about smite clear bc its not default attack but it having 6 ppl required for the dps is fine
pulsar dune
Then armor stack is probably the most efficient choice
Groupplay arm stacking is numerically absurd
split maple
Groupplay arm stacking is numerically absurd
already duo is enough
barren river
if someone uses an int acc jugg to kill uber sirus with default attack, i will eat my desk
mark my words
split maple
i remember herro's duo trickster armorstacker from some pl last league
shit was cracked
silent leaf
@brazen vector
tranquil sedge
no takebacksies
frigid wedge
@opaque sphinx
split maple
if someone uses an int acc jugg to kill uber sirus with default attack, i will e...
@opaque sphinx someone threw a glove
frigid wedge
come make her eat the desk
pulsar dune
already duo is enough
Duo->trio is supposed to be a major power spike, tho that's merely hearsay
frigid wedge
it is tbh
bc the main dps doesnt have to spend 99% of their points and gear slots on aura effect and res eff
u can just get a gracebot
and use double overcap
opaque sphinx
<@194583068680519680> someone threw a glove
i did it
frigid wedge
show us
opaque sphinx
ah ffs
frigid wedge
@barren river go get the camera
barren river
i'm genuinely concerned
stoic horizon
remember that wood can be edible if prepared properly
opaque sphinx
split maple
Hopefuly it's some soft plywood or smh
frigid wedge
lmao
stoic horizon
Hopefuly it's some soft plywood or smh
that wouldnt be good ngl
frigid wedge
remember the dude on reddit who said if x happens ill eat a book and he fully recorded a vid of him blending a book and eating it like dry cereal
stoic horizon
at least in long term
split maple
that wouldnt be good ngl
Better for teeth than hardwood
stoic horizon
if we ignore the consuming lot of wood part
split maple
Or fuck these old Glass tables
pliant hamlet
Better for teeth than hardwood
oooi esm, Didn't phrecia suck in ssf?
opaque sphinx
remember the dude on reddit who said if x happens ill eat a book and he fully re...
better than the guy on osrs that bet on getting hot coffee poured on his butthole and followed thru
stoic horizon
Better for teeth than hardwood
i dont think wood glue should be consumed
pliant hamlet
I'm debating between playing trade or ssf during phrecia 🤔
split maple
oooi esm, Didn't phrecia suck in ssf?
i did trade last phrecia so dunno
opaque sphinx
that was a weird watch and i still have reservations
spring axle
there's only like 3 weeks so, i'm defo going trade
pliant hamlet
I played ssf but I also only played for half a day
proud gorge
if you're not sure, you can just play Trade and not trade lmao
spring axle
that said i never did non-trade so it was an easy choice
split maple
i am overoptimistic but i am planning to somehow squeeze out half decent beast and blueprint idols
then bust my ass off to get a quad of fully revealed bps and 50 mors for keepers
pliant hamlet
if you're not sure, you can just play Trade and not trade lmao
I'd rather play ssf so I can fill out a bit more of my ssf standard collection
I still need kalandra's touch and mb
split maple
wdym mb is just 5 wretched cards
pliant hamlet
lmao
barren river
time to eat my desk :(
spring axle
that said div boxes were crazy last phercia
pliant hamlet
It's more of I haven't played SSF since MB came out because GSF
spring axle
might do it again unless they bring some fancy new strats
pliant hamlet
been in a lot of 1-10 man GSFs over the last 2 years
pliant hamlet
trade is the place where stuff that takes a week to farm is 1c and stuff that's easy to farm is multiple divines lol
It's a strange place
split maple
trade is the place where stuff that takes a week to farm is 1c and stuff that's ...
indigon prices make me fall of my chair yea 😄
stoic horizon
trade is the place where stuff that takes a week to farm is 1c and stuff that's ...
mostly because stuff thats hard to farm gets less hard to farm when there is thousands of people
split pagoda
I heard good stuff about idols for ssf once you get going
pliant hamlet
Indigon being 160c is wild lol
split maple
Indigon being 160c is wild lol
it will be divs on legstart weekend
maybe even double digit divs
split pagoda
Like it's rough first little bit but pops off hard eventually
split maple
yea the only issue is 20 days timelimit
stoic horizon
with whisperer existing yeah indigon will be money
pliant hamlet
I heard good stuff about idols for ssf once you get going
there any good unique farming strats in phrecia?
spring axle
think it was only like 4-6d day 3ish of keepers
pliant hamlet
Hmm, wonder what I'd need to be ruckus ready 🤔
Strong box setup means infinite scarabs at least
Blightheart is always pretty good for gold / gamba
split maple
i am going to be humble and settle on some nice helicals and magic jewels, dont even need rare ones 🙏 pls game grace me with them morigan idols
frigid wedge
@barren river pls ping me when u eat the desk
pliant hamlet
lmao "settle on some nice helicals" is wild
spring axle
i wonder what new idols wil be coming
pliant hamlet
last 2 leagues someone in our gsf did over 2k wings before seeing their first helical
@wheat sinew
spring axle
split maple
lmao "settle on some nice helicals" is wild
you can print fully revealed bps with idols, so prayge in that week after phrecia i can run enough wings to be reasonable
otherwise cogies will make me happy too
want to yolo mist one, then if mist bricks gonna mirror the other ring
pliant hamlet
yeah we had a ton of every other ring
This league we had much better luck, multiple of all of the t0s ignoring the ultra rare item
the replica baited breath
frigid wedge
lmao "settle on some nice helicals" is wild
ssf moment
split maple
got a hateforge?
pliant hamlet
There's a replica hateforge?
split maple
nah i mean the basic ones
pliant hamlet
What's it do?
split maple
oh you mean heist t0s
pliant hamlet
Ah, yeah just talking about heist
soft perch
i want phrecia reveal of ascendancies
barren river
<@456226577798135808> pls ping me when u eat the desk
I tried to do it
pliant hamlet
why are you eating a desk lol
soft perch
i might log in and do uber sirus on my guy
spring axle
lost a bet 
soft perch
i think my character was worth like 10 mirrors 2 months ago
barren river
Default attack
pliant hamlet
lol
spring axle
i can never stick around long enough to get that much
split maple
i rly need to fix that section 😄
spring axle
when the upgades are like 1mirror for like 2% i kinda just stop upgrading
pliant hamlet
top end builds can hit like 5m+ dps on default attack, even trade league stackers can get over 2m can't they?
What was the bet? uber sirus or something?
split maple
Remi said you cannot beat ubers with default attack on non-armorstacker
Kira has nice accustacker
pliant hamlet
lol That's wild. Got a vid? I'd actually like to see ubers taken down on 2m dps
that sounds like pain
pliant hamlet
ah
split maple
what you starting in phrecia Iks?
barren river
I will not play Phrecia
pliant hamlet
I'm thinking doedre's scorn harbinger
thick goblet
iks what was your old profile picture, something blue/green ish? i cant remember
pliant hamlet
a penguin in a wizard outfit?
thick goblet
ok i have no memory of that
pliant hamlet
haha Had a friend make something for her stream overlay
told her to make it as fast / bad as possible
soft perch
its 2m tooltip
logged in and my basic attack tooltip is 4.2m without aspect of carnage
peak
pliant hamlet
basic attack on a top end acc stacker
he actually has 90.3 aps lol but no multistrike obviously
soft perch
yep very balanced
barren river
I forgot to say non-accustacker as well
stoic horizon
backing off now huh
thick goblet
too late
stoic horizon
the desk wont eat itself, go work on it
pliant hamlet
yep very balanced
I mean, tbf you pump 20+ mirrors into a build, it better be good lol
soft perch
i think id instakill uber sirus with basic attack lol
hybrid harness
whats auto attack called in pob anyway
thick goblet
get desk eating
barren river
I tried
pulsar dune
Does strstack get enough numbers? Probably right?
rancid peak
Im stuck between PBoD Surfcaster or KBoC Herald
pliant hamlet
whats auto attack called in pob anyway
create a new gem slot, put no gems in it, select it.
pulsar dune
Yea
rancid peak
herald ascendancy is ass
Im thinking Golems to replace Auras, Triple heralds, maybe even quad or quin if I can get Poison and Bleed
pliant hamlet
I think any stacker on 5+ mirrors of gear can hit stupid levels of normal attack damage
tranquil sedge
soft perch
Im thinking Golems to replace Auras, Triple heralds, maybe even quad or quin if ...
golems will die instantly
hybrid harness
mine is at 20mill apparently, easy ooba though seeing how u stay alive easily
rancid peak
golems will die instantly
Yeah, thats why im thinking of it as a second character and farm for Elementalist FF/FF Golem
soft perch
not even worth the gem slot
pulsar dune
What do the greater harbingers do btw?
pliant hamlet
...?
pulsar dune
Oh wait herald
pliant hamlet
100% inc hex area and cdr is amazing
soft perch
100% inc hex area and cdr is amazing
uhh
barren river
herald is awful
soft perch
wrong ascendancy
pliant hamlet
I mixed the 2 lines Lol mb
soft perch
and yea impending doom harb is ok but i think its worse than occultist
barren river
what asc do you use for penis brand herald stacking?
nocturne saddle
fuck
pliant hamlet
I think it's better 
not sure though yet
nocturne saddle
I"m sick
soft perch
eh
pulsar dune
what asc do you use for penis brand herald stacking?
Surfcaster
split maple
what asc do you use for penis brand herald stacking?
idk rly what to use for hive that wont be just worse than elementalist
soft perch
cdr isnt that good honestly, you need quite a lot of cast speed for it
nocturne saddle
sick of this BULLSHIT
pliant hamlet
you get action speed with decent uptime
soft perch
surfcaster wont use hive probably youd just use bereks with shock prolif
its only 10% action speed
its pretty meh
pulsar dune
That's good
rancid peak
Surfcaster is probably stilll the go to this league for most spellcasters
pliant hamlet
wait, made me recheck occy, where are you getting cast speed from on occy?
stoic horizon
doesnt surf also get inc dmg and less dmg taken from self chill?
soft perch
wait, made me recheck occy, where are you getting cast speed from on occy?
ur not, my point was about cast speed for cdr for impending doom
rancid peak
But this league will be dominated by KBoC Blind Prophet or Scav
soft perch
doesnt surf also get inc dmg and less dmg taken from self chill?
was talking about the harb action speed buff
split maple
why would you do kboc on blind prophet
soft perch
which is like a bad tailwind
split maple
instead of whisperer
stoic horizon
was talking about the harb action speed buff
ah
barren river
and yea, I did try to eat my desk
spring axle
surely kboc would use whisperer
rancid peak
why would you do kboc on blind prophet
Free Nimis
split maple
Free Nimis
you rly dont care about nimis, return projs is good enough
pulsar dune
KBoC isn't even good with nimis
soft perch
its probably better than whisperer
stoic horizon
surely kboc would use whisperer
going anything else is trolling
soft perch
imo
soft perch
going anything else is trolling
its not
split maple
i can see a case for surfy for sure, for blind for sure not
spring axle
barren river
kboc has built in convert
pulsar dune
kboc has built in convert
Wdym?
split maple
what
soft perch
surfcaster has the esh chest mod as a node, the chill stuff is ridiculous and whisperer offers no speed
theyre both good
barren river
And you use the whisperer for the convert node
soft perch
for different reasons
pulsar dune
IG surfy if you don't want indigon huh
soft perch
whisperer for high end pob warrior
soft perch
IG surfy if you don't want indigon huh
u can use indigon on surf as well tho
pliant hamlet
btw how do you make ID work w/o vixens?
pulsar dune
Yeah, but then you're just worse than whisp since you have less mana, no?
pliant hamlet
It's cursed ground right?
soft perch
btw how do you make ID work w/o vixens?
u dont
spring axle
can you even use kboc with fishing rod?
pliant hamlet
There's definitely some strat to make it work
soft perch
Yeah, but then you're just worse than whisp since you have less mana, no?
no, u have other benefits
barren river
If anyone's wondering, I genuinely tried to eat my desk
frigid wedge
I tried to do it
proof?
pulsar dune
can you even use kboc with fishing rod?
You don't click fishing rod
spring axle
oh right
soft perch
i think surfcaster wander is probably the best starter build lol
spring axle
surfcaster without fishing rod just didnt make sense to me ig
pliant hamlet
stoic horizon
If anyone's wondering, I genuinely tried to eat my desk
https://youtube.com/shorts/wU6oIyJ7hO8?si=6T-mBVQTYKoZaSiS
turn it into cookies
pulsar dune
Oh yeah starter for sure
soft perch
u just spellsling forbidden rite for the easiest self chill ever
get a bit of leech and u are omega chilling
soft perch
foulborn choir and then u have a pretty crazy build already
pliant hamlet
vixens it's really hard to get the cast speed to make the cdr matter
soft perch
whisperer is a bit pob warrior imo
like its obviously strong but man idk how id give up the speed
spring axle
idk, i've played kboc whisperer in last phercia n kboc guardian in keepers
soft perch
also sea legs is genuinely crazy in a 3 week league
spring axle
if nothing changes it'll be broken
pliant hamlet
Can kboc boss decently day 1/2? I always sleep on wands because I think their bossing is awful
spring axle
then with whisperer you can ff ricohet
barren river
with surfcaster, a spirit gives you the bad touch
spring axle
might be a bit overkill at that point tho
with buffed Grace of the goddess, atk sped per dex mod on chest
pulsar dune
Can kboc boss decently day 1/2? <:ScuffThink:982924933107687474> I always sleep ...
Should be adequate enough tbh
split maple
Can kboc boss decently day 1/2? <:ScuffThink:982924933107687474> I always sleep ...
yea with bugged squaling tulgraft (+1 tornado works on spellslinged tornado) you get at least 5-6 overlaps on bosses in open area
spring axle
game will crash insta with too many proj
split maple
like once you get indigon its ubers in seconds
before indigon its good enough for uber elder so good enough to get indigon
spring axle
or you can ff oath of winter to freeze entire maps
feel like oath of winter is slept on
pliant hamlet
I don't think I've ever had a functional pair of f/fs lol
soft perch
i do genuinely think surfcaster is the better option cuz the league is so short itll be hard to actually get the dex chest mod and shit
and sea legs + foulborn choir is just so fuckin good
split maple
i think its kinda bait to lean into dexstack early too much, just do conventional manastack even on whisperer
soft perch
yes
split maple
and just grab like 500dex
soft perch
this is another reason why i think u just click surfcaster
pliant hamlet
we know all / there is more just feels so good no?
spring axle
yeah i guess with runegraft of refraction there's less reason to go whisperer for the awk fork now
split maple
I can see the point Ig, like with refraction runegraft in the game whisperer feels worse than hiero for kboc
Which is why mfa is much more interesting to me
Since that's really distinct from base game
soft perch
antiquarian thunderstorm dude login
proud gorge
oh hey, I appreciate that the flask uptime calculator has a special result for "stable enough for pretty much any realistic use case"
soft perch
(ignore the fact u cant equip crown of eyes and replica alberons)
its good bro trust me bro
proud gorge
"if you need more than 30 minutes of uptime on a boss you have bigger issues"
pliant hamlet
If I did anything wand related though, I'd just want to be blind prophet
Don't get to play with nimis much
spring axle
how do u even have flask uptime of at least 30 mins?
pulsar dune
KBOC has one projectile, so random directions are a bit rough
soft perch
how do u even have flask uptime of at least 30 mins?
flask regen stuff
pliant hamlet
is kboc so overtuned it's the only viable wand skill?
spring axle
that would mean you're edging the fk out of it no?
pliant hamlet
if so that kinda sucks
soft perch
is kboc so overtuned it's the only viable wand skill?
no
pulsar dune
Nah, you can play KBlast as well
soft perch
fusillade and bolt are both excellent
kblast is excellent for clear but quite a bit worse for single target
spring axle
can kbof too
pliant hamlet
I saw some fusillade totem stuff
pulsar dune
Fussilade idk how it interacts with random directions
pliant hamlet
also sea legs is genuinely crazy in a 3 week league
damn no kidding
that's kind of insane
unique silo
Hello,can I curse and mark an enemy at the same time by default?
proud gorge
how do u even have flask uptime of at least 30 mins?
it's a calculator for flask uptime with Traitor or other sources of flask charges per second
pliant hamlet
Surfcaster looks nuts
unique silo
marks are counted in the curse limit
Dang it. Thanks
pliant hamlet
sea legs, tormented, reverse chill, shock spread for explody setups, perma-freeze, etc. so many good options
soft perch
Surfcaster looks nuts
ye i think people are overhyping whisperer a little compared to it imo
proud gorge
it was quite helpful, since I was worrying about needing at least 25% increased flask charges to actually round up to 1 extra flask charge per slot per 5 seconds
but turns out you earn fractional flask charges
soft perch
like yes surfcaster was a bit weird last time
opaque sphinx
uber sirus final phase done with basic atk clip uploading now
pliant hamlet
Whisperer feels like a stackers dream, Surfcaster seems insane out the gate
Are they both shadow?
soft perch
no
split maple
is kboc so overtuned it's the only viable wand skill?
Kboc is what you can do on day 1
pliant hamlet
rip
spring axle
whisp ranger
split maple
But other options also good
soft perch
whisperer is ranger
proud gorge
Surfcaster is fun, but has the issue of being an all-in offense ascendancy
opaque sphinx
soft perch
Surfcaster is fun, but has the issue of being an all-in offense ascendancy
this is false
opaque sphinx
just wait 15 mins 
spring axle
soft perch
surfcaster is very strong defensively
proud gorge
is it?
spring axle
can u even upload that?
soft perch
yes
pliant hamlet
Brine Bound is insane
split maple
Im starting ehots wildspeaker into mfa whisperer and I am not getting fucked on legstart trust
soft perch
glacial wave sir
opaque sphinx
nitro lets u up to 500mb
proud gorge
fishing rod build
spring axle
i thought it was 100mb
pliant hamlet
you just perma freeze the map. Glacial wave makes you super tanky
spring axle
goddaym
upper knot
I hope we will be getting the updates they are making for Phrecia before Thursday. Ideally later today or monday.
soft perch
enemies deal 15% less damage, you take 30% reduced damage
proud gorge
fair enough
soft perch
because the effect is reversed on you
proud gorge
I mostly saw Surfcasters doing fishing rod meme stuff
spring axle
i've been meaning to try crackling lance surfcaster
soft perch
ye fishing rod shit sucks
proud gorge
with is a very fast but very squishy build
pliant hamlet
You do have to make choices though
spring axle
with the crest of desire helmet
pliant hamlet
You can't be ghosted, have sea legs, have reverse-chill, freeze the map and take less damage.
barren river
oh shit
soft perch
You can't be ghosted, have sea legs, have reverse-chill, freeze the map and take...
u drop the ghost or wear winterweave
pliant hamlet
So if you want to be all in on offense, you can be lol
yeah pretty sure you always wear winterweave and take stormy seas/glacial wave / sea legs + 1
soft perch
well sea legs isnt worth it unless ur doing foulborn choir shenanigans
but if you are then its cracked
split maple
I think a lot of plans folks got currently predict large enough playerbase for healthy economy
Fingers crossed for yall
pliant hamlet
I don't think you're picking if you're not
spring axle
either way i prob wanna wait until they release patch notes before i figure out what to play
pliant hamlet
I don't think torment touched / storm's gift / cold damage can shock / brine bound is enough to make you want to pick surfcaster
If you're not using fishing rod or sea legs, I feel like you pick something else
umbral crag
I think a lot of plans folks got currently predict large enough playerbase for h...
Whats ur plans for phrecia
split maple
Ehots wildspeaker into mfa whisperer around end of week1
Also pobed lategame ehots if whisperer nerfed too much
pliant hamlet
Was behemoth ever tested out? Or did people kinda give up on it before phrecia came out
soft perch
im going surfcaster spark cuz its funny
umbral crag
Kek
proud gorge
some people tried Behemoth yeah
opaque sphinx
Was behemoth ever tested out? Or did people kinda give up on it before phrecia c...
i played frostblade of casablanca behemoth
onyx adder
I don't think torment touched / storm's gift / cold damage can shock / brine bou...
I agree especially as surfcaster has no smalls which makes ur early league worse
proud gorge
it's not terrible, but it is just strictly worse for attack builds than pretty much any other ascendancy
opaque sphinx
stoic horizon
RIP katabasis
opaque sphinx
yeh dps is like 13m now if u use katabasis still
pliant hamlet
I agree especially as surfcaster has no smalls which makes ur early league worse
It has no smalls? Yeah you have to really want to leverage the big nodes then
proud gorge
the biggest issue with Behemoth is that the lack of spell skills prevents you from running most forms of defense, so getting lots of fortification is largely irrelevant
pliant hamlet
https://pobb.in/CtVzMM8DwsGk
That's pretty impressive. Did it feel squishy?
onyx adder
Surfcaster smalls are some fishing shit
tranquil sedge
RIP katabasis
got hit so hard lol
stoic horizon
they really want it as cold dot
split maple
Share pls
https://pobb.in/N-KXcOC2Z_Gt hopefuly config isn't too padded, I tried to make conners reasonable. Probably second Leech wheel isn't needed and prolly needs to take Master Fletcher somehow
opaque sphinx
That's pretty impressive. Did it feel squishy?
not really, the recovery was kinda mid if not leeching but otherwise ok
tranquil sedge
That's pretty impressive. Did it feel squishy?
you have massive range so try to kill things before they kill you
soft perch
I agree especially as surfcaster has no smalls which makes ur early league worse
glacial wave is really really really strong though
pliant hamlet
I was considering gencry bflurry or rbov behemoth
I feel like the kit really lends itself to rbov
opaque sphinx
i honestly think there is potential with HP behemoth with the uber chest
777
w/e the fk
teachings
umbral crag
https://pobb.in/N-KXcOC2Z_Gt hopefuly config isn't too padded, I tried to make c...
Ill check pob in pc ltr but pobbin looks good
pliant hamlet
Taht chest feels so weird to build around
opaque sphinx
tranquil sedge
https://pobb.in/N-KXcOC2Z_Gt hopefuly config isn't too padded, I tried to make c...
where are you getting 50 rage from ignore
umbral crag
Im still trying to reaccustom from stupid pob numbers just now kekw
pliant hamlet
You always waste 2 or 3 stats on it
opaque sphinx
proud gorge
point yeah, there's a lot more lifestack stuff than last time
opaque sphinx
soft perch
bog shaman is going to be unbelievably broken this phrecia
proud gorge
so maybe Behemoth could finally be the best user of that one lifestack axe
pulsar dune
Yea, that's a build I'm definitely considering
tranquil sedge
https://pobb.in/N-KXcOC2Z_Gt hopefuly config isn't too padded, I tried to make c...
you may want to consider a bow mastery for 100% increased mirage archer duration btw
spring axle
screenshaker
tranquil sedge
it makes the build feel a lot nicer to play personally imo on single target
(and even sometimes when mapping)
pliant hamlet
hah nice
proud gorge
personally I believe that any melee range build should be basically invincible to damage to justify being in melee range
but that's just me
opaque sphinx
@frigid wedge @split maple @barren river finally uploaded
split maple
you may want to consider a bow mastery for 100% increased mirage archer duration...
Another angle for Master Fletcher yea
Need to tinker a tad
pliant hamlet
any of the phrecia ascendencies lend themselves towards life stacking?
thick goblet
bog shaman on witch
proud gorge
aggressively Bog Shaman yeah, it's the lifestack ascendancy
pliant hamlet
I feel like grey wind has to be puppetteer
soft perch
bog shaman is completely utterly ridiculously overpowered
pliant hamlet
Marionettes is just so good
soft perch
pretty sure nightblood lets u get hundreds of millions of penance brand dps on like 10 div of gear lol
just gotta get a pool big enough + a sustain engine
stoic horizon
energy blade animate weapon of self reflection could work well on puppeteer
with the catarina node for specters giving es
opaque sphinx
pliant hamlet
I'm thinking greywind on me + greywind on AG + Self reflection + the rest of the build life stacking
frigid wedge
<@617762343962673163> <@1172237022740615199> <@456226577798135808> finally uploa...
rem its ur turn
spring axle
they tried and failed apparantly
stoic horizon
we dont take fail as an option
pliant hamlet
bog witch looks like a poe2 ascendency lol
spring axle
buy one of those miniature desks, blend it up and drink it 
pliant hamlet
-20% all ele res for positive effect, 40% more damage over time but lose 5% life/sec when hit for 4s, -3 max life per level for benefit, etc.
barren river
I only bit it
spring axle
yeah you gotta eat at least a little
stoic horizon
mmm scrapped wood finish my fav snack
frigid wedge
hey she's the one who said she do it if someone did something very achievable
frigid wedge
hm?
stoic horizon
check pins
proud gorge
get some graham crackers and some marshmallow fluff
assemble a graham cracker desk
get a nice glossy finish with some tempered chocolate
and working desk drawers
frigid wedge
deleted user
spring axle
final owl
mans was convinced he was reading PoEs obituary
spark bramble
anyone knows when stash tab sale?
stoic horizon
poedb
spring axle
btw is there a website where i can take the ctrl+c format of an item and it gets converted into the ctrl+alt+c format version?
barren river
oh shit
civic kelp
Guys which build to use for mapping ?
Lightning Arrow Deadeye or Archmage Ice Nova Hierophant
stoic horizon
la
tranquil sedge
Guys which build to use for mapping ?
Lightning Arrow Deadeye or Archmage Ice No...
both can be doable
barren river
i have to do it
tranquil sedge
i have to do it
video proof of course
final owl
isn't ice nova heiro kinda derd
tranquil sedge
Lightning arrow probably has the stronger raw clear just from being a bow build
if u build it fast and zoomy and squishy but big dps
ice nova was nerfed yea but i imagine u could still make it work
frigid wedge
i have to do it
she is a woman of her word everyone
soft perch
might play surfcaster wander just to prove a point
past mantle
deleted user
Didn't eat his hat, just deleted account.
stoic horizon
coward
nocturne saddle
bro fuck the vram and ram prices, I'mma play dwarf fortress
last mesa
guys is it fine if i yoink an old LS blind prophet pob?
tranquil sedge
bro fuck the vram and ram prices, I'mma play dwarf fortress
doesn't dwarf fortress benefit from fast memory too tho
big boi cpu and big boi memory are nice if ur hitting game limits
nocturne saddle
doesn't dwarf fortress benefit from fast memory too tho
it can run on a rasberri pi
tranquil sedge
it can run on a rasberri pi
im sure i mean if u push worlds to their limits
nocturne saddle
im sure i mean if u push worlds to their limits
define limits... it's not a spiffing brit playthrough xD
tranquil sedge
triple digit dwarf count on a long playtime world ig
tranquil sedge
games like factorio or rimworld or dwarf fortress are sim games so ultimately fast cpu and fast memory are the bottlenecks if u go far enough
but for casual playthroughs yea it'll run on whatever
stoic horizon
what does accuracy stack do overall
has other stuff that scale off accuracy
like jugg giving attack speed
onyx adder
Man imagine if all acc stacking did was make u REALLY REALLY likely to hit
stoic horizon
and boots giving flat lightning dmg
potent horizon
ah i see
onyx adder
Five thousand per cent chance to hit
potent horizon
thats what im sayin
onyx adder
No other effects
potent horizon
i was sure i was missing something
onyx adder
Would be lit
stoic horizon
Five thousand per cent chance to hit
200% accuracy = hits twice 
potent horizon
someone really just need to hit their enemy
whole bluff
Always > 200% 
potent horizon
damn i just made a 5th char am i really about to do a 6th
i hit 80 and swap everytime i have a problem
some of them arent even 80
past mantle
what does accuracy stack do overall
Many ways to get accuracy, very many this league specifically and then they give.
Attack speed from juggernaut at 1% per 150 accuracy.
Damage at 1 to 6 flat lightning per 200 accuracy.
Crit chance if you wish with gloves at 2% attack crit chance per 200 accuracy.
But this makes an okay build at best.
Big reason it's good is that you can stack accuracy and intelligence this league with foulborn hand of thought and motion and get even more damage while also getting defence, which is what accuracy stackers usually desperately lack.
potent horizon
yeah i was looking to see what skill i wanted to use with these claws
past mantle
Grafts also provide some big juice.
potent horizon
just figuring out if i want to do jugg which i dont have or just use my elementalist
crystal talon
You very much would want to do jugg if you wanted to play acc stack
past mantle
If you're accuracy stacking you want to be jugg or be able to flesh/flame Undeniable.
Random build I pulled up from poe.ninja.
potent horizon
what skill am i leveling with poe has me by the balls
whole bluff
If you're accuracy stacking you want to be jugg or be able to flesh/flame Undeni...
Can we see a 10m item in a 3 week league? Fuck around and find out in Legacy of Phrecia 2!
proud gorge
Undeniable is, like, the main payoff for accuracy stacking yeah
past mantle
Can we see a 10m item in a 3 week league? Fuck around and find out in Legacy of ...
Yes, definitely.
Will anyone but 3 people be able to afford it?
Different question. 👼
past mantle
what skill am i leveling with poe has me by the balls
I just did Ele hit with brightbeak this league and it was very smooth.
whole bluff
People sitting on half in a bid war. That would be fun
whole bluff
Damn
past mantle
I do love misted gear.
I should get rich next league and actually interact with it for once. 
proud gorge
you can interact with misted gear on low economy as long as you need a lot of one stat and don't care what you sacrifice to get it
lose 30 life on hit? easy
past mantle
True but not the kind of interacting I'm looking for.
whole bluff
Proper misted rings are like Mount Everest. You've never seen it IRL, but you'd be sad if it disappeared
past mantle
Saw very many good misted rings in the wild during mercs.
Never dropped a single mist to this day tho. 
whole bluff
Same, iirc
past mantle
I've had like 500 of them by now and estimate rate is 1/100.
I do have 10 mirror shards on settlers. I really gotta put that money to use before we move onto 3.28.
barren river
Proper misted rings are like Mount Everest. You've never seen it IRL, but you'd ...
I was close to making 2 perfect Doryani rings
potent horizon
ele hit is funny you were right
barren river
Rings can get like minus 170 res right?
How?
split pagoda
Ya can defo get to around -170
proud gorge
Does mist sum with catalyst and helical?
split pagoda
past mantle
How?
Lightning res and all ele res can both roll.
It's going to be very painful to make.
proud gorge
Mist applies multiplicatively yeah
split pagoda
With all ele res you can get even lower than -170
past mantle
-222% if that rolled correctly.
split pagoda
I like current state of doryani, interesting and strong enough to be worth considering on certain builds
whole bluff
So what you're saying is we just need 25% gem lvl quality on simplex
proud gorge
hmm, disappointingly, apparently Rain of Arrows of Saturation somehow deals less damage than regular Rain of Arrows even if you get all of the arrows to hit the same target
pulsar dune
Makes sense IG
whole bluff
Ngl, they should make a misted version of ichxel
proud gorge
what's the point of Saturation then? What really needs those extra hits regardless of damage?
past mantle
I like current state of doryani, interesting and strong enough to be worth consi...
Same. Return of Phrecia does mean that Doryani flicker is back.
whole bluff
Ixchel*
past mantle
Maybe Wildspeaker gets buffed somehow and the build gets better. 👼
pulsar dune
what's the point of Saturation then? What really needs those extra hits regardle...
Gain on hit stuff
MFA manastack runs it
whole bluff
what's the point of Saturation then? What really needs those extra hits regardle...
You saturate your hit requirement for CoC ETC, almost immediately
If there's a few frames and you have an available cooldown on hit, you get it
past mantle
God I miss this build.
proud gorge
You saturate your hit requirement for CoC ETC, almost immediately
yeah, I guess I'm mostly just disappointed that you can't really use it as a main damage skill
past mantle
Filling 90% of your life each time you hit and instant leech making your ES fill immediately.
🥲
whole bluff
I love it
proud gorge
because it's just strictly worse than Rain of Arrows for actual damage dealing
whole bluff
I don't care about if it does dmg though
proud gorge
I do smh
pulsar dune
It's nice that at least one of the trans gems isn't an upgrade dps-wise over the cis version
proud gorge
clearly we need some sort of hit-rate payoff support gem or something, focused fire support or something. +1 damage for each time the enemy has been hit by this skill in the past second
just fill the air with arrows
proud gorge
both are also capped extremely low for a true "hit rate support" type thing
Vile Toxin caps out at 8 poisons
which is wild
Controlled Blaze is better, but still caps out at 26 hits in 4 seconds
pulsar dune
There's also HoAG IG, but that one's pretty easy to cap in practice.
proud gorge
but yeah, in practice something like +1 phys damage for each hit in the past second would probably mostly benefit already really strong builds, like MS Zenith, or the Accuracy Stack build
rather than the intended target, Saturation or Barrage of Volley Fire and such
whole bluff
If woespike had "impales on enemies you hit become 10% stronger"
proud gorge
lmao, now that would get out of control very quickly if it triggered on every hit
whole bluff
Maybe maximum 200%
whole bluff
lmao, now that would get out of control very quickly if it triggered on every hi...
Yeah
proud gorge
honestly, the biggest issue with most of these super high hit rate skills is their super low damage, which most solutions don't really address, and even the theoretical +1 phys damage for each hit in the past second is limited by the skill's very low DE
Woespike is probably the best "high hit rate payoff" so far because it actually just adds flat damage completely regardless of the skill's actual damage or DE onto every hit
pulsar dune
Yea, some DE independent stuff is in the game, but since you can get genuinely absurd amounts of hits in the game, they have to be capped
If woespike wasn't limited to melee it'd genuinely be the strongest item in the game by a wide margin
proud gorge
yeah
disappointing for my dreams of max damage Saturation/Volley Fire builds, but ah well
maybe I'll try Woespike at some point though
there's not really any melee skills that I feel like really evoke the same "fill the air with arrows" of Saturation though
frigid wedge
disappointing for my dreams of max damage Saturation/Volley Fire builds, but ah ...
rain of arrows of saturation?
proud gorge
yeah
proud gorge
you can, but like I said turns out even with every arrow hitting the same target it's worse damage than regular Rain of Arrows
proud gorge
I just like the idea of Saturation and its ridiculously over-the-top number of arrows
frigid wedge
saturation is mostly for on hit effects
proud gorge
yeah
proud gorge
okay let's see
frigid wedge
oh
frigid wedge
Decay doesn't stack with itself
smth with an independent dmg ailment then
idk what
but a stacking dmg ailment
maybe also good for assassin poison
proud gorge
every Rain arrow is 0.60 DE, its base is 22 arrows, and it gains 0.2 arrows per 1% quality, so each 1% quality is 0.12 DE
Saturation arrows are 0.35 DE, its base is 33 arrows, and it gains 0.4 arrows per 1% quality, so each 1% quality is 0.14 DE
RoA is 15.6 DE at 20/20, while Saturation is 14.35. That's a gap of 1.25 DE. To make up for that, you would need 62.5% added quality
so, a bit much
things get very slightly easier if you're looking at level 21 gems, and in fact the higher level the RoA gem the more Saturation gains comparatively, due to Saturation getting twice as many arrows per quality but gaining more than half the extra DE per level compared to RoA
but you still do need very high quality to make Saturation even match base
but yeah, the key issue with Saturation is just that it has way way too many hits for absolutely everything, unless it's uncapped
at 20/20, it generates 41 arrows per attack, and has no attack speed penalty or anything
proud gorge
the point is that there's not really great ways to abuse it outside of, like, life gain on hit and such
fickle glen
Yo I just got disconnected in the eternal labyrinth, does this mean I lost the offering of the goddess?
proud gorge
with an extremely mediocre attack rate of like 6 attacks a second, that's 246 arrows a second. That's absolutely miles above absolutely every single cap on everything that's attack speed based
pulsar dune
Yo I just got disconnected in the eternal labyrinth, does this mean I lost the o...
Yes, rip
proud gorge
Yo I just got disconnected in the eternal labyrinth, does this mean I lost the o...
yeah, unfortunately