1┃general

[hexed mountain]

Ah yeah you are running a different setup

[proud gorge]

I've just realized that this build builds power charges, takes every power charge node on the tree even

but doesn't seem to actually have any way to reliably obtain them

[haughty gale]

isnt there a graft taht gives power charges?

[elfin shale]

PC on Crit support is free in that scenario

[steady elk]

any reason to go unyielding instead of unrelenting on boneshatter of trauma jugg?

[proud gorge]

its only sources seem to be 8% chance on kill and 40% chance on block

except it only has, like

22% attack block chance

and 48% spell block chance

[hexed mountain]

On charge stackers you run PCoC on main skill

[steady elk]

doesn't really seem like i need the additional elemental damage reduc per endurance charge ngl

[proud gorge]

yeah, reasonably you could run PCoC as the single support link in the helmet, and a couple of the builds seem to

but overwhemlingly they run Awakened Lightning pen instead

[elfin shale]

Are there any bow skills that fire like Eye of Winter

[sleek barn]

scourge arrow

[proud gorge]

you mean like, shooting out a projectile that itself shoots projectiles?

[sleek barn]

sorta

tornado shot LOOO

[elfin shale]

ya

[proud gorge]

Tornado

[hexed mountain]

TS or any skills that forks

[proud gorge]

like, regular-ass tornado

[elfin shale]

TRUE

[sleek barn]

tornado is not a bow skill

[elfin shale]

I gotta decide what skill to manaforge

[proud gorge]

people always forget that regular-ass Tornado is designed to work with bows

[elfin shale]

hm

Barrage of Volley Fire might be okay

[sleek barn]

im assuming you meant for the purposes of MFA

[elfin shale]

yeah

[pulsar dune]

There was someone actually playing volley fire as a DPS skill

[proud gorge]

ah, then yeah Tornado won't work

[elfin shale]

Volley Fire is legit

[sleek barn]

i use volley fire for CoC

[elfin shale]

Only because of this though

[pulsar dune]

It actually sheeted higher than TS on my strstack bower

[split maple]

I saw some mfa something coc tornado automations

As support for ehots/la

[sleek barn]

i feel like CoC tornado is kinda weird

oh wait

you mean the mfa triggers CoC

[pulsar dune]

Barrage support is a bit mid, but barrage the skill is actually strong

[sleek barn]

yeah that would work as utility

[split maple]

Ya

[hexed mountain]

Yeah MFA to trigger CoC id common

[proud gorge]

no wait nvm this build runs FF Unstable Infusion

that's where it gets its power charges from

[elfin shale]

Wait would Toxic Rain be kinda legit with this

[sleek barn]

eh

[proud gorge]

15% chance on critical strike

[sleek barn]

in general you will have a lot of hits so poison would be a move i suppose

[elfin shale]

Toxic Rain isnt poison

[sleek barn]

yeah i mean in general

you can do all the rains and get a source of all damage can poison

[elfin shale]

shrug im probably not gonna actually run this

but it is cool

[sleek barn]

blast rain toxic rain storm rain

lock in

artillery ass build

[elfin shale]

I think Storm Rain or Toxic Rain are the best skills

Since they both want volume

[cinder rock]

But there will be walls 😢

[sleek barn]

storm rain is very limited in its volume

never got it to work very well

actually i had a storm rain merc going and it was funny

but ultimately swapped it out

[elfin shale]

huge

god i hate you

[sleek barn]

can you still tap snipe then

ig you hold sometimes to get a tornado

[elfin shale]

yeah id hold single target

just tap to clear

[sleek barn]

morse code lookin ass build

[elfin shale]

Thats Stormbind

[sleek barn]

gotta put ensaring arrow and frenzy in some MFA utility setup

[elfin shale]

Doing toxic rain so dont need ensnaring

I think, we'll see

lol i think Toxic Rain is like the only skill that benefits from every one of these mods

[pulsar dune]

Thunderstorm lmao

[elfin shale]

POG

[soft perch]

thunderstorm antiquarian

log in

just gotta solve that u cant use replica alberons or crown of eyes

despairge

[elfin shale]

Is there a second breakpoint for Toxic Rain DPS thats higher

[tight plinth]

TR in 2026

[pulsar dune]

Oh also explosive arrow

[kindred silo]

ea cares about proj speed?

[pulsar dune]

Not for DPS, just for general QoL

[kindred silo]

u could say arcanist brand cares about it

[pulsar dune]

You'd need a spell that uses both proj speed and AOE, which isn't hard

[sleek barn]

essence drain

[soft perch]

toxic rain bog shaman sounds kinda fun

[elfin shale]

yeah if you play it normally (im doing bullshit)

[soft perch]

based

[sleek barn]

bullshit always more fun than not bullshit

[soft perch]

man i rly wanna play thunderstorm antiquarian

[sleek barn]

call me the bullshit man

[soft perch]

getting the pieces is not easy tho

2000 strength = 200% proj speed and skill effect duration

sounds hilarious

[elfin shale]

hmm

i think this is gonna be good but having to lifetap both mfas is annoying

You're basically firing Toxic Rains as fast as a Quill Rain but now you can use Widowhail

and losing on 2 links so maybe not better actually

[sleek barn]

you can get 6l on helm

if you really want to

[elfin shale]

Im already putting MFAs in my bow and chest

[sleek barn]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Assailum you can use this stupid item

kidding

it is garbage

[elfin shale]

You dont need to link Snipe to anything

Besides maybe faster attacks

[sleek barn]

infused channeling for uh

defense

[elfin shale]

Oh kinda true actually

Im doing CwC Tornado

wait thats useless with toxic rain

[spark bramble]

anyone knows the server for boss carries?

[stoic horizon]

tft

[proud gorge]

TFT probably

but that's an accursed place

[sleek barn]

you can also try

#trading

[hexed mountain]

why use snipe over scourge arrow which is faster tho?

[haughty gale]

Has there been any new info on the event yet?

[night bone]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[haughty gale]

damn

I need to know if the map mods apply to boss areas too 😭

[stoic horizon]

you may have not known that but this https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1341892448791691264 very useful channel exists

[haughty gale]

you may not know this but that channel doesnt contain everything

[stoic horizon]

if you mean reddit comments its in https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/294175535590932482

[whole bluff]

gimme

polytheist

buffs

teaser

[normal hedge]

i wish theyd just post the full patch notes already instead of dripfeeding us with daily teasers and small changes

but at this point anything works ig

[lean urchin]

we got dripfed? (unaware not being a dick)

[haughty gale]

I am glad we are getting something at least with how fast keepers was left to rot

and idols with async is admitedly pretty pog

[normal hedge]

yes, like 1st phrecia where they were announcing it one by one every day or when they keep changing a lot of stuff after releasing the first patch notes

[soft perch]

im so ready to do nothing but click ritual rerolls

[haughty gale]

ew

[normal hedge]

thats fun

[split maple]

a lil upgrade

[normal hedge]

and the rich keeps getting richer

mirror, 100% adorned, nice corruptions

what else

[split maple]

emm i got a second double fbl respite yesterday

[whole bluff]

you should name yourself "SSF but rich"

[plush gulch]

why does everyone going for this goes for divine flesh and self poison, can't you technically heal yourself from ignite with this

[split maple]

that would just jinx my rng

[soft perch]

ritual is genuinely really fun

[whole bluff]

"SSF but poor" then

to trick the game into giving more stuff

[frigid wedge]

divine flesh is just so other dots get lessened

and stuff like rf becomes heal

[split pagoda]

im half tempted to go ssf for this event

[plush gulch]

it wouldn't work to do self ignite ?

[pulsar dune]

Self poison is just because it's really easy to get hilariously enormous poisons on you

[split pagoda]

heard alot of good things about it once u get going with idols

[pulsar dune]

You could heal yourself with self-ignite, sure

[plush gulch]

scavenger has fulcrum and tainted pact

[frigid wedge]

if all ele dots turn 50% into regen then they cancel out, self ignite works but then u gotta deal with the 0 net recovery with divine flesh

[split maple]

yea today rng is gudge

[plush gulch]

if you get lower chaos resistance you heal more i think

[frigid wedge]

divine flesh will turn half into chaod and half stays as fire so net recovery is 0

[plush gulch]

🤔

I see i see

[frigid wedge]

sure but also poison is way easier to self afflict

considering golden rule just reflects them for the cost of 1 jewel socket

instead of ascendancy or weapon

[plush gulch]

I want to make up a tainted pact build, it's difficult to fully understand

so many mecanics

especially how to scale your dmg

while doing all of that

[normal hedge]

whats hard to understand about it

you self poison, overleech = giga heal

[plush gulch]

I saw a pob doing insane dmg but it"s flamewood totem

[sinful warren]

Hello I haven't played Poe 1 in like 5 years or so. I have about 2600 hours.

I was gonna play the new phrecia event since I missed the last one and was wondering if there have been any major changes to the core game (I assume yes). Is there a video guide or something? I found a zizaran video about league mechanics that should be up to date enough but am I missing something else that is crucial? Thx 🙏

[frigid wedge]

all the ascendancies are different(for the event), no quant on gear, a LOT of balancing, asynchronous trading, t16.5 maps, t17 maps, a lot of meta shifts

[plush gulch]

sure you pay justice to the number of different set up people can do

https://pobb.in/5IpEgrogBUAz it looks insane but it's flamewood totem

maybe in game it's cool but in video

it looks like the worst thing to use

[sinful warren]

I got everything covered then thx the async trade must be crazy. I mainly quit years ago because trading was ass.

[stuck phoenix]

Well, for Phrecia, it's pretty important to also mention no atlas tree :p

And also the enemy buffs

[golden phoenix]

Was there an atlas tree 5 years ago?

[frigid wedge]

theres a lot of little things

[sinful warren]

Oh yeah I know that I was wondering about the core game

[frigid wedge]

i imagine so considering its like a 15 yr old game

5 years is what, harvest?

[golden phoenix]

It's a relatively new development actually

[stuck phoenix]

Dunno, but there definitely weren't idols in its place

Though I guess the question wasn't entirely about the event

[golden phoenix]

Certainly a mix

[stoic horizon]

harvest was 6 years ago

[sinful warren]

I stopped playing the league they nerfed loot by like 90% on the top end and Chris said "they forgot to mention it in patch notes". In case anyone remembers when that was lol

[stoic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[frigid wedge]

close enough

[golden phoenix]

Expedition

[frigid wedge]

which time

[sinful warren]

A bit after Chris was doing all those podcasts for damage control

[earnest raven]

2021

[sinful warren]

Must've been around expedition ye

[stuck phoenix]

Ctrl right click to move all similar items at once
Ctrl shift to spam the same currency
Chance scour on bench, you can hold spam there too

[frigid wedge]

they have fucked w loot a lot recently

[hard cliff]

[plush gulch]

is this immortality

[earnest raven]

Nyes

[stuck phoenix]

Has it been 5 years? Honestly though, I played that league and it didn't feel different at all, but I do play casually

[stoic horizon]

yes most truly immortal builds revolved around this

[plush gulch]

i wanted to make a tainted pact build to avoid most of the mod in the game

but it seems cool also

[stuck phoenix]

It genuinely didn't deserve the attention it got though

It only got that attention because it hit the top end streamers hard

And a vast majority of the player base aren't at that level

A vast vast majority

[golden phoenix]

Atlas tree was introduced in 3.13, ritual league, very early 2021. Neat. That thing made my career I think

[sinful warren]

I think I finished the campaign and had like no loot. Stopped playing afterwards.

Then next league I did act 2 and was like nah I'm good

[plush gulch]

@stoic horizonthat's super popular lol

[stuck phoenix]

That's not top end

It's not even close

It's unrelated to top end changes

[sinful warren]

I know

I recall it was like 50% nerf to campaign or something

[stuck phoenix]

Honestly, doubt

[split pagoda]

that doesnt sound right but I could be remembering wrong lol

[sinful warren]

It's just the Chris comment of "we forgot to mention it in patch notes" really bothered me

[stuck phoenix]

He did

[frigid wedge]

chris isnt even lead dev anymore

[sinful warren]

Ik ik

[stuck phoenix]

He forgot one important thing in how many updates

What else should he say

[earnest raven]

Oh...New Dreamcore video dropped

[sinful warren]

Like I said I have 2600 hours I was already kinda burned out with half ass leagues and trading being so garbage

So many good games to play

[stuck phoenix]

Taking a break because you feel like you've played the game enough is expected to happen eventually

Or even quitting

[normal hedge]

so rn you'll have a game mechanic that shits out really good rares and 6l just by doing breach

[frigid wedge]

oh boy do i have news for you

[stuck phoenix]

But there genuinely wasn't any significant changes to campaign loot

If any at all

[frigid wedge]

the leagues rn are even more half ass

[stuck phoenix]

Subjective

[sinful warren]

It's okay Poe 3 will fix everything

[stuck phoenix]

Main issue was just settlers for a year

Breach 2.0 feels high effort

[stoic horizon]

you baited me

[sinful warren]

I just fundamentally hate that the first few weeks of league launches tend to have severe balancing/QOL issues but then they get fixed. At least they did back then dunno about now

[plush gulch]

i hate not everything being perfect at launch

[stuck phoenix]

Ez just skip league launch

But like

[ebon tendon]

[stuck phoenix]

How can they not

[plush gulch]

xD

[stuck phoenix]

How can they make things perfect at launch

[sinful warren]

I heard people saying it added like a FOMO thing when you have NPCs gather loot and you need to keep activating it daily. Is that true?

[stuck phoenix]

People are genuinely stupid

[plush gulch]

true

[stuck phoenix]

Basically

You get gold from killing enemies

You can spend this gold to use async trade

[normal hedge]

you can also skip it and invest your time in something else, gold has other uses

[stuck phoenix]

Or to generate loot at a delay

The town is intentionally made to be a gold sink where you can sink all your excess gold

[sinful warren]

So it's not a mandatory thing

[plush gulch]

@sinful warrenyou constantly didn't have enough gold unless you were running insane mecanic and it was a lot of money. And trading + the town oh god

[stuck phoenix]

But some idiots think that's a personal challenge to upkeep at max capacity constantly

[plush gulch]

when i mean insane like rogue exile or deli map T17 and stuff

[stuck phoenix]

It's literally there for you to throw in all your spare gold

[sinful warren]

Good

[plush gulch]

it's not as mandatodry now

because it took a step back for other mecanic i guess

which is as usual

[stuck phoenix]

It wasn't even mandatory to make actual effort in settlers for it

[plush gulch]

but it's still hard to justify not doing it, I don't do it I know im losing so much money and im stupid

it takes so much time, i don't like it so I skip

[stuck phoenix]

People just hated it because it took effort to rebuild and they did it 4 times because of two event leagues and 1 private league because settlers lasted a year

[sinful warren]

Name checks out heh

[plush gulch]

it settle

[stuck phoenix]

You're not losing money by not doing a farming strat

[cosmic reef]

gotta keep your farmers farming

[stuck phoenix]

Anymore than you lose on not doing something else

[stuck phoenix]

Not really

It's a profitable farming strat, but it's not, nothing else is even comparable

[plush gulch]

you are not earning money you should have for no upside

[normal hedge]

you can invest your gold in scarab flipping for example, it has better results than town by itself ( if your mappers dont bring you a mageblood/mirror etc)

[haughty gale]

I am happy for you but I dont understand you 😅 I like the combat but the window shopping I hate

[stuck phoenix]

It's time spent grinding loot

You just get the loot at a delay

Doesn't matter how you look at it

[lethal ravine]

are rogue exiles still a thing? almost done with act 7 and havnt seen a single one

use to see them every zone

[haughty gale]

I know the answer is 99.999999999999% likely to be no, but what if settler mappers benefited from the extra area mods?

[plush gulch]

regarless I dislike it, it's like you never have enough gold you are alwazs starved the second you try to invest in settlers

[vital bough]

For phrecia league, anyone have any idea how surfcaster's Within the tempest (Enemies you Kill are Shocked, Shocks you inflict spread to other Enemies within 1.5 metres) interacts with foulborn berek's respite?

[stuck phoenix]

It's a gold sink

It's there for you to toss in all your spare gold

It's not a personal challenge to you to upkeep

[haughty gale]

it can be

[plush gulch]

it's like saying you don't have to do your daylies in a mobile game

or lost ark

[haughty gale]

yeah you dont

[stuck phoenix]

It's not even comparable

[plush gulch]

you don't but people care about it

[stuck phoenix]

That is not the case at all

[haughty gale]

nobody is holding a gun to your head man do what you find fun

[normal hedge]

you deffo dont have to touch settlers

[plush gulch]

yeah don't worry im not forcing myself to do it

[stuck phoenix]

This is delayed loot

[plush gulch]

it was cool the first league

[stuck phoenix]

It's not a majority of your loot

And it's not "free" relative to effort

[haughty gale]

in keepers I forced myself to rush and be the 0.01% and while I succeeded I did not have fun at all and quit not even two full weeks in

[stuck phoenix]

You need to grind for it

[haughty gale]

I am taking my time in this event

[stuck phoenix]

And the grinding doesn't matter when

In mobile games with dailies those genuinely gimp your progress if you don't do them

[plush gulch]

but everything we do in the game is in the purpose of getting more money and getting stronger

it's kinda the same

[stuck phoenix]

No

Because the point you made

Was dailies

Compared to delayed loot

Which is not at all the same

And I'm tired of the stupid reasoning

[plush gulch]

btw when i talk about settlers I don't think you can handle mappers and shipping

maybe u can

idk

[stuck phoenix]

It's a gold sink

[plush gulch]

but doing the few shipment everyday

don't people do that

?

[stuck phoenix]

Not something you're supposed to upkeep

[plush gulch]

maybe they nerfed it

[stuck phoenix]

There's a whole bunch of different shipment strategies

[plush gulch]

and peopple don't do it now

[normal hedge]

you can sustain it

just gotta play more

lol

theres a lot of strats that gives you plenty gold

[plush gulch]

regardless I feel bad not doing settlers i know people come in everyday for divs and mirror shard or whatever

I don't remember even getting a mirror shard

in my regular mapping outside of phrecia

do you ?

[normal hedge]

its 2 mirror shards on average every 8 days

[plush gulch]

curious

[stoic horizon]

mirror shard strats arent really a daily thing

[normal hedge]

or 7.5 days

[plush gulch]

also i know I have lot of gold im happy i can do whatever i want, I feel like i should invest in settlers and weirdly enough it's a few hours after I need quite a bit of gold for trading

and have problem

like the universe is telling me ahah got u

[normal hedge]

early league a mirror shard is less than 15d, people just dont buy it

[plush gulch]

xD

self inflicted

@normal hedgeyesterday btw I watched an almoist 2 hour vod on tainted pact it's really complicated you've gotta to handle so many stuff

at least to me

[normal hedge]

the only time i've tried it i killed myself because a ultimatum monster had cannot leech

[plush gulch]

https://pobb.in/5IpEgrogBUAz

this build has some

conversion shennanigan

I can never dream of doing

to avoid ele pen

when I make a build I can barely handle T16

people doing crazy stuff

but It's cool seeing what people can do

[fringe panther]

so, I know at one point when elder was added(?) old shaper lore got retconned

is the current "standalone" shaper fight now noncanon with him seeming to be a villain?

[whole bluff]

why do you want your mom to do dirty things to hierophant

joke

bad joke

[fringe panther]

they want 95 other moms to do dirty things to a hierophant

[plush gulch]

it's a polytheist relationship

[whole bluff]

oh, not his mom

[plush gulch]

because it's phrecia

[whole bluff]

basically encouraging 95 milfs to hit up hierophant, that's a nice gesture

[plush gulch]

he is a gift from god

[fringe panther]

only milfs that have good balance though, they have to be level

[plush gulch]

what are the best dmg scaling(require less investment) you can get on scavenger

[whole bluff]

[whole bluff]

no idea 😅

[plush gulch]

i wanted to do a tainted pact scavenger build but it takes a bit of unique

no issue

[whole bluff]

maybe on league start you can do hyaons, or oros

with battlemage

[plush gulch]

I heard it's better I don't league start this

[whole bluff]

ah, fair enough

[plush gulch]

too much shennanigan

[whole bluff]

what's the end goal?

[plush gulch]

and poison need to be big enough

[plush gulch]

the goal is all my build sucks, im too bad at the game, im never able to make a build expensive enough or well built enough to survive endgame especially with the new mod we get

so i'll aim from the start

to avoid all mod

obviously if you get a 50 000K es tricskter you probably can tank anything

so hopefully i can chill

and not get steamrolled

[normal hedge]

but like if u're relying on poison it already cant avoid literally all mods

[plush gulch]

im scared of getting ele pen every map

[wicked dragon]

guys can fracture orb fracture essence mod? Or am i just omegalul unlucky 0/20 so far

[normal hedge]

yes you can

[plush gulch]

all I know they say it can run all mod beside cannot leech

they would have mentionned avoid poison

but they didn't

[cosmic reef]

lifestack

[plush gulch]

my dream build would be to make a immortal version of scorching ray totem

but not possible

I would have to play a real ability

[crystal talon]

why not?

[cosmic reef]

immortal lifeloop

[wicked dragon]

Welp 700div down for a 80div base on theory

[plush gulch]

b ecause ggg loves dot. you can't convert, you can't get ele pen, you can't leech, you can(t proc anything on hit

[brazen vector]

Did you do it on a 4 mods item?

[plush gulch]

so scaling is difficult

[crystal talon]

SR can hit good enough numbers last I looked for most content anyway

[plush gulch]

and when scaling is difficult getting tanky is even harder I think

[wicked dragon]

Yea all 4 mods

[brazen vector]

Rng giveth and rng taketh

[strong totem]

Who wants to hop on HC ruthless party play while we wait for phrecia?

[normal hedge]

next one you'll hit it for sure

[plush gulch]

yes but probably by sacrificng every defense

[wicked dragon]

0.3% of it to happen lol

[plush gulch]

I mean it's definitely playable

[pulsar dune]

That looks nice

[plush gulch]

I did it it was fun

but modern poe

[wicked dragon]

No more i bought out the market lmao

[plush gulch]

different beast

[strong totem]

SR + a million searing bonds

[plush gulch]

too bad I can't find my old attempt on pob

[whole bluff]

one day I wanna listen to an interview of other gaming studios roasting t17 mods, and drowning orbs in particular

or tbh it's not the worst, worst is no dmg

[dusty mesa]

scorching ray in the big 2026?

[plush gulch]

that's one of the most satisfying skill with totem 😎

crazy good time

[sleek barn]

hey hear me out

theres that one minion that uses scorching ray totem

[plush gulch]

i would have liked searing bond to be less ugly

im avoiding them

like I avoid bow buiild

:p

[dusty mesa]

I love bow build

[plush gulch]

i kinda made a bleed bow

though

it was cool

frenzy endurance stacker

extremely cool

[strong totem]

we can do green

[plush gulch]

is it really a bow build if you don't get one shotted at every hit though

[sleek barn]

hey question if you're a scavenger and you equip the unique item that your ascendancy utilizes, does it "stack" in that manner?

[plush gulch]

does it even count

[dusty mesa]

I have to figure out how to get 516% fire res, and thats not counting if I decide to add max res on top

[sleek barn]

aka cloak of flame 40% phys to fire and weaing a cloak of flame -> 80% phys to fire

im guessing yes

[brazen vector]

No

[sleek barn]

oh

thats so sad

[plush gulch]

are you sure ?

[sleek barn]

so void battery (notable) can't be used with two other void batteries?

[hard cliff]

it can

[hard cliff]

damn son

[sleek barn]

alright i suppose i will test it myself

[brazen vector]

I was wrong, yes you can stack them

According to the wiki

[plush gulch]

one of the coolest thing about sr is the look but if your screen is drowned in searing bond im sad

did you look at the SHAPER MTX

they should credit me for eachs sell

[sleek barn]

i don't like how base scorching ray looks

[plush gulch]

of this mtx they do

[sleek barn]

looks like a crayon

[normal hedge]

yes

[sleek barn]

i was looking for funky stacking opportunities with scavenger but none of them stand out to me

besides cloak of flame and void battery

but those are too generic

blunderbore is funny though

[plush gulch]

I had a very cursed idea

[soft perch]

@crystal talon thunderstorm strength stack antiquarian

[normal hedge]

then you have either fury valve or death rush

[crystal talon]

problem 1) thunderstorm

[soft perch]

how equip crown of eyes or replica alberons

[plush gulch]

with tainted pact people like going divine vessel and fully converting to one element, im thinking why don't people go doryani then

[crystal talon]

Problem 2) antiquarian

[soft perch]

look

[crystal talon]

Problem 3) ur british

[soft perch]

having no int is not that bad

[plush gulch]

you get 0 lightning res on your gear you might aswell reduce it a bit and scale lightning dmg

[soft perch]

like it is but its not

you know what i mean

[dusty mesa]

enmity's embrace gaming

[sleek barn]

fury valve the main line is the split line, which getting 2 of doesn't really matter

[strong totem]

i like stygian SR. I have some mtx that works well with it

[crystal talon]

That's exactly what any brit would say

[sleek barn]

the extra projectiles is nice ig

[plush gulch]

what do you think would be played with it in phrecia ?

[soft perch]

i think americans are winning on the no int side sir

[normal hedge]

its nice for a few skills like power siphon and pconc

[crystal talon]

we have all the int. it is just artifical

[sleek barn]

i think all in all i'll steer away from scav

[strong totem]

good question. I have not thought about this. Bog witch is my first assumption

[sleek barn]

scion start sucks anyways

[plush gulch]

brit don't need int they just need dexterity to wield a knife

we all know that

[brazen vector]

Its the best start, 3 free jewel sockets

[plush gulch]

same with raphtife and scaling life

malediction

[strong totem]

yup. You waste an asc point for 40% more dot dmg though

[plush gulch]

but you lose 5% life per second on a build already struggling to recover

[sleek barn]

yes i equip all 3 triple hatred watchers eyes that drop from hillock immediately

then campaign is free

[strong totem]

just hit cons ground

[brazen vector]

Silly you, you are only level 3 atp

[sleek barn]

not with that attitude

[plush gulch]

then how do you not die, totem no leech recovery needed

[split maple]

Them map mods in acts carrying hard

[brazen vector]

Fellow oni goroshi farmer

[strong totem]

consecrated ground flask recovers 5% life

[sleek barn]

uber uber hillock i am coming for you

hillock in shapers realm

[plush gulch]

@strong totembtw I checked the wiki the scaling falls off at lvl 30

so you never want to go higher

it's like cut in half

crazy

stuff

[frigid wedge]

what scaling falls off

pbod?

[plush gulch]

the scaling per level

[strong totem]

he means gem scaling on SR

[plush gulch]

of scorching ray

[split maple]

Spells in general

[sleek barn]

you should uh

equip two balefires

[split maple]

Most fall of at 30 if not all

[sleek barn]

20% increased scorching ray length!!!

[frigid wedge]

when my scorching ray is 20% longer but still has no girth

[plush gulch]

with squire probably not bad it's a 7 link

[strong totem]

I don't think 30 is a stopping point if you can easily keep going

[plush gulch]

sure

just opportunity cost

and stuff

after that

[sleek barn]

first world problems

[plush gulch]

what matter is not the lenght

is how fast you turn

[sleek barn]

motion of the ocean

oh

[frigid wedge]

helicopterin ma shit

[brazen vector]

Need shrivel acceleration

[frigid wedge]

what

end of channeling speed

mm

[sleek barn]

what affects scorching ray turning speed

[frigid wedge]

how good u are with ur fingers

i would say

if ur rlly good at swingin ur mouse

its better

[sleek barn]

i play on 3200 dpi

we are cooking

[frigid wedge]

can we get this shit irl, i hate the end of channel stunlock for pissing

[plush gulch]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Paladin

that's the sr totem ascendancy

found it

consecrated ground too useful

so hard to get enough regen for endgame

without it

[sleek barn]

so true at least let me use Infused Channeling at the urinal

[elfin shale]

Cast speed

[sleek barn]

i see

wiki says theres a cap which is quite sad

[proud gorge]

here we go, ES build levelling time

I have a policy of always levelling as as close to my final build as possible

but that does create some difficult early levelling processes when it comes to ES builds

[sleek barn]

usually its just hybrid -> transition when you're ready

unless you plan on using Eblade

or EE

luckily tree tree is generous with defense on armour

[proud gorge]

you can, yeah, but that's not the final build now is it

[plush gulch]

@strong totem scaling lifer with raphtite and this seems logic

[proud gorge]

but yeah, thank god for Coruscating Elixir being good these days, since you can get that active pretty early

back in the day, when Shavs was the primary method of doing low-life ES builds, I had the very real problem of not having Shavs until level 62 while still trying to level as ES

[sleek barn]

you can scavenger shavs

[proud gorge]

the only option was Solaris Lorica

which is, uh, not a very good ES chest lmao

[plush gulch]

don't tell me everyone know what is solaris lorica

[sleek barn]

chest plate

with uh

[plush gulch]

because i don't

[sleek barn]

light radius

it looks like a gladiator chest plate

[plush gulch]

that's why I always share screen when I talk about unique

but everyone here is a pro

[sleek barn]

i've just accrued knowledge from looking at uniques

[sleek barn]

since they're usually pretty important to my builds

[proud gorge]

who doesn't know about Solaris Lorica, it's been in the game since 1.0

[plush gulch]

this look like a very powerful piece of your build

[sleek barn]

-40 chaos damage taken

login

[plush gulch]

forbidden rite ???

wardloop ?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, it was at one point basically the only option for levelling as low life ES

even though it sucked

[plush gulch]

unkoly might boneshatter??

[proud gorge]

because it was a low life ES levelling armour with no ES on it

[sleek barn]

i mean how instrumental is ES to your build

[plush gulch]

how musical is it

[proud gorge]

the only other option was to equip ghostwrithe and just hope nothing with chaos damage tried to kill you

which I've certainly done before lmao

[plush gulch]

don't you think chaos res is a bit over rated

i find beside some poison pool once in a while

[sleek barn]

if its not instrumental then it wouldn't matter for "being as close as possible to the final form of your build"

swapping types of defenses doesn't mean much for my builds unless its how i scale damage

[plush gulch]

as long as you don't instantly die from a pool it seems alright

[proud gorge]

honestly, I did once level as low-life ES without "chaos damage doesn't bypass energy shield"

and it was fine until act 6

[plush gulch]

oh I did it in phrecia

I was surfcaster lightning trap

[sleek barn]

i must be blocked

[plush gulch]

I was doing juiced map

[proud gorge]

the midway point of Act 6 is where chaos damage really becomes a problem

[plush gulch]

and definitely not carried by svalinn

[proud gorge]

you're not blocked, I'm just talking

[sleek barn]

i see

[plush gulch]

i know you would never block your friend

[sleek barn]

glad i have not made another enemy

[plush gulch]

oddish

[proud gorge]

but also I disagree, if it's an ES build I'm building it ES

[plush gulch]

wait it wasn't me,

maybe im blocked

[sleek barn]

but what makes it an ES build

[proud gorge]

in the same way, if it's a CI build I'm grabbing CI basically as soon as possible

[plush gulch]

are build es+life bad ?

[proud gorge]

when I'm playing CWS I swap to CWS in act 4, the moment the gem is available

[plush gulch]

I rarely see people doing life + es mind over matter

I tried several time and failed

[sleek barn]

i simply do not block people unless they are fully evolved into Gloom

[plush gulch]

I only block disrecpectful people

so almost nobody

I think only one guy from here

[normal hedge]

but pokemon arent people tho

[split maple]

i did that this league on kboc early, following ben pobs

[sleek barn]

look at this guy

ugly

[split maple]

issue is its kinda annoying fixing all recoveries, es life and mana

[plush gulch]

he is the creepy uncle

alright

[split maple]

like it feels good to take ghost reaver until you get hit for chaos

[proud gorge]

EB MoM is technically possible, but a very weird setup, since EB reduces your energy shield recharge rate but it's fine because you can't normally take damage to ES, but by taking MoM you can once again take damage to ES, interrupting your recharge

[sleek barn]

thats why you go leech or ES on hit

[plush gulch]

I was trying soime aurora

with it

[sleek barn]

my manabond is MoM EB hiero

[plush gulch]

but then I had not enough life regen

[proud gorge]

but also yeah, it requires you to have good Life and ES recovery at the same time

[plush gulch]

because I was a fucking totem build

[sleek barn]

totem builds usually have regen

from the hiero node

[split maple]

and if your setup has that you prolly want corrupted soul instead

[proud gorge]

I'm pretty sure there's better ways of getting partial damage to life partial damage to ES anyways

[plush gulch]

what are those

[proud gorge]

than through EB MoM

[plush gulch]

I don't know at all

regardless I find aurora quite bad

[split maple]

oh i meant without eb, with eb i did inquis last leg

and that feels like rly fake max hit from mom

[plush gulch]

I feel that recover es/life on block is way stronger

[sleek barn]

dw my fake max hit is even more fake bc i have no mana

its all taken by manastorm

maybe i should fix up my pob

[plush gulch]

https://pobb.in/n5zuZW3jwVNW

[sleek barn]

the padding is unnecessary

[plush gulch]

look at this beauty

made myself

very bad

did my best

[sleek barn]

no it looks cool

you did well

[proud gorge]

Corrupted Soul is the main one, also The Burden of Truth

I thought there was something that makes it so that blocked damage bypasses and unblocked doesn't, but it seems not?

[plush gulch]

thanks a lot

mean a lot to me

because i always struggle

[proud gorge]

oh wait yeah, there it is

Emperor's Vigilance shield

[sleek barn]

doesn't hurt to get some positive reinforcement every once in a while

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Replica Soul Tether is fun

[wicked dragon]

Int/acc stacker enjoyer how do yall deal with monster block?

I dont have 6 points for attack mastery

[plush gulch]

oh I remember forbidden rite to trigger self chill and duration of aiment and lethe shade to get perma self chill

[proud gorge]

too bad it occupies the belt slot

[plush gulch]

from surcaster

was so cool

I was farming harbinger with this

[proud gorge]

if only there were some good way to get both Immortal Ambition and Corrupted Soul at the same time

[sleek barn]

block chance reduction support RAAAAH

[proud gorge]

and not Divine Flesh, that is

[plush gulch]

not gonna lie poe 2 style, vaal discipline is amazing

[proud gorge]

the only way to get Immortal Ambition and Corrupted Soul at the same time, as far as I'm aware, is Mahuxotl's Machination

and that removes a lot of the functionality of Corrupted Soul anyways

[plush gulch]

so difficult to use

such a cool unique

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Immortal Ambition + Corrupted Soul would be a great defensive layer, if only it were possible to actually achieve

overleech turns into ES, but half of all damage goes into ES and half into life

so you functionally can leech both ES and Life at the same time

[plush gulch]

ngl now can get a Huge life pool with ghostwrithe foulborn and get a shield recover %life%es on blocl

[proud gorge]

while "reducing" all damage taken to life by an amount equal to your excess leech

[plush gulch]

wuth eb

mind over matter

can't we ?

should be plenty enough

[proud gorge]

hmm, I guess that could work yeah

EB MoM with Immortal Ambition

oh, there's a fun one

[plush gulch]

immortal ambition seems very to add on any life build

no ?

easy*

whether you use divine shield or ghostrevaer

oh wait

i thought it was the

+5% max res

nevermind

it's everlasting

sacrifice

im confusing myself

[elfin shale]

Just run Soul Tether?

[proud gorge]

yeah, Immortal Ambition is the one that lets you "overleech" into ES

[plush gulch]

that sounds cracked

[elfin shale]

Or run Immortal Ambition + Burden of Truth, almost the same as Corrupted Soul

[proud gorge]

oh, good point, lmao, I was thinking "oh you can't run both Soul Tether and Replica Soul Tether at the same time, and you can't have two vaal keystones at the same time"

[elfin shale]

Lul

[proud gorge]

but yeah you could just run one of both, or better yet Burden of Truth yeah

Burden of Truth is great

[elfin shale]

Its my favorite belt

[proud gorge]

Supreme Decadence is great for the build

[elfin shale]

Was lowkey sad when i dropped a mageblood

[proud gorge]

just doubles the effectiveness of life flasks

[plush gulch]

😡

[elfin shale]

Well

1.6x or so

[elfin shale]

The Burden

(Of truth)

[proud gorge]

oh yeah the 30% less

but yeah, isn't there some Pathfinder build that gets its recovery from just mashing a life flask constantly

lmao

[elfin shale]

Thats every Pathfinder

[sleek barn]

thats what they call me

https://tenor.com/view/path-of-exile-poe-logout-gif-10657631706166814450

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the biggest issue with Immortal Ambition is just the fact that it doesn't give any natural ES

and you need some amount of max ES to determine your overleech threshhold

but any halfway decent source of "life as extra energy shield" should cover it

[plush gulch]

burden was created by ben

😮

[proud gorge]

since you don't need as much ES as life, you just need some

[elfin shale]

Could also run double Foulborn Voll's Visage

Though that has asterisks

[proud gorge]

I appreciate that the theme of Vaal keystones is just "doing fucky things with Energy Shield"

[plush gulch]

you could use the unique that give flat fire dmg per light radius

definitely better than oshabi

(joking)

[proud gorge]

ah, Abberath's Fury my beloved

if only it didn't suck complete ass

[plush gulch]

even battlemage is possible

[proud gorge]

poor Corona Solaris

gone forever

[sleek barn]

only time i used abberaths fury was for a cast on ignite (CWDT) build

was fun

[elfin shale]

Battlemage doesnt work with conditionals

[plush gulch]

oh thanks

definitely need to mist, look like a good use of money

[proud gorge]

I mean, Battlemage works with conditionals, but only if those conditionals say "Adds X damage (conditionally)", and not "adds X damage to attacks with this weapon (conditionally)"

[sleek barn]

funnily enough it was an option that was thought of quite often before league start this league

just because everyone was fawning over eclipse soliars change

[plush gulch]

nobody did try

because fugbun didn't go with it

i guess

gotta follow build

[plush gulch]

it's weird how everyone hyped

then

you hear nothing

Im excited for polytheist buff

ascendancy looks so solid already

it's almost there

[cosmic reef]

problem with immortal ambition is that you just use petrified blood and use pain attuinement

you would have to be on the opposite side of the tree and have no use to path to pain attuinement

like if your a slayer

but slayer gets overleech in ascendancy so

[whole bluff]

I hope I'm at fault for people thinking polytheist buffs and that it becomes a religion, so I would have achieved something with my life

[plush gulch]

oh not me at least

I always found it cool

I like the duelist one also

im realling excited for the patch

[whole bluff]

but they didnt actually confirm buffs I thought? we can only hope

[plush gulch]

they did, they gonne make a balance pass and everyknows there were too many under performers

even if you destroy ancestral commander

doesn(t change much for the bad ones

[whole bluff]

ah, nice

I think even polytheist looks currently playable with bloodlines, but I was just so giga disappointed in bloodlines that anything so good you with pick an ascendancy for it already looks exciting

[plush gulch]

i guess if I go tainted pact route

[whole bluff]

cuz most bloodlines are more like the odd fix or stat dump for your remaining points

[plush gulch]

maybe one of those would be useful

[plush gulch]

nothing that exciting on bloodline

it's so weird

[whole bluff]

Lycia herald stuff is I.N.S.A.N.E, the rest is... meh

imo

lycia herald stuff is like a build enabling unique

[plush gulch]

this seems to pair well with infernal blow

[plush gulch]

yeah

[whole bluff]

I guess Farrul hit the mark? but you need to keep a spectre alive...

[plush gulch]

you actually forgot

about the strongest one

how could you

[whole bluff]

I wouldnt say strongest one, the downsides are big

[plush gulch]

i was very sarcastic

[whole bluff]

ah

[plush gulch]

so bad

soso bad

😔

utility flask disabled

I think this one

you can probably make some weird stuff

[brazen vector]

Its whatever u til you get megabald

[whole bluff]

they made it either take mageblood, mageblood, or ammy

and mageblood is too strong and flasks are too shit without it

[split maple]

good for blight

[whole bluff]

true

[split maple]

and for poeninja numbers

[whole bluff]

that too

[golden garden]

hey guysy whats your favourite skill in poe1? i wanna play my first char and cant decide what build 😄

[brazen vector]

My starter wont use flasks

[brazen vector]

Flame dash

[split maple]

earthshatter and you will have fun

[plush gulch]

alesia is very mean

[whole bluff]

starting out I usually dont use flasks cuz I'm too lazy to fix them up

[brazen vector]

How am I mean, its my favourite skill, its used on all.my characters

[plush gulch]

lol

its a dash

[brazen vector]

And? Still my favourite skill?

[whole bluff]

some time, I should advice someone to play the builds I like, then I would get a white name

[split maple]

sorry Alesia this is a frostblink household

[plush gulch]

do you think you want to play melee ? something more laid back ?

[brazen vector]

Frostblinkers can stay outside, idm

[plush gulch]

i wouldn't avise my favorite skill x)

it's fun but bad

[whole bluff]

how about beacon of madness spellslinger CoC poison

[plush gulch]

this one seems very decent

[golden garden]

maybe a mage with spells fire or ice is what i like

[plush gulch]

the other node give 50% effect to auras

which is good too

[split maple]

you still in campaign right?

[whole bluff]

fire stuff is good in campaign

[brazen vector]

Aul is pretty good

[split maple]

rolling magma (bosses) + holy flame totems (clear) for first act or two, then armagedon brand

peak leveling

well peak first time you do it, gets tired in 2 or 3 runs

[plush gulch]

cold dot is good also

[whole bluff]

🐟 advice if you will take it, is elementalist is actually good, not just interesting

[plush gulch]

can take it into endgame

[brazen vector]

Sunder

[whole bluff]

with these skills

[meager chasm]

First time since trade came out that I can't go to the hideout of the player. Did I do something wrong? I've reset my search a few times, closed and reopened page ect. I can go to very limited peoples hideouts or whisper very limited people also. Or is this a bug going on atm

[whole bluff]

but there are other caster options too, mostly on templar imo

[whole bluff]

refresh page, login, etc

you're prolly in a weird state browser wise

[thick goblet]

sanity check, you're in pc playing standard?

[meager chasm]

Yeah it's purposeful @thick goblet

[brazen vector]

Could be banned accounts

[whole bluff]

I used to think they backpedaled on instant whisper a session a few leagues ago, turned out I was just somehow using the site logged out, which isnt really supposed to be possible anymore, but you can get it sometimes

in theory it should prompt that you log back in if your sessionID expires, but for some reason that didnt happen, I just lost account functionalities and had to copy whisper message

[plush gulch]

@golden garden for cool related cold/fire. Im not saying those are insanely good ability but people made build with them and should be usable you have stuff like tornado of elemental turbulence, volatide dead spellslinger, some mana stacker frost stuff, winterbrand cold dot, fire storm with some life stacking, ice spear cast on crit maybe, ice trap

there are probably way more

[golden garden]

oh thank you, i am gonna look all of those skills up 🙂

[plush gulch]

don't hesitate to ask us question

[golden garden]

🫡

understood thanks a lot

[plush gulch]

i'll try to check if I find good video that showcase the builds

but you'll have to follow something doing those with an updated build

if you want to do phrecia

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhtBTWnUGV8&t=679s

volatile dead spellslinger is quite cool

basicallly spellslinger allow you to cast spell when you attack with a wand

so you do attack doing zero dmg but it cast the spell

and you just scale the spell

[golden garden]

oh that looks quite fun

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEBQpw0kPmk you have this it's a trap build

just an exemple

when a mob get near the trap it trigger

so you just cast it on top of them

dmg is slightly delayed

personally I like it

love trap

[golden garden]

also quite interesting, i think i liked the one before more, because more spells were happening

[plush gulch]

btw have a category of build called cast when stunned basically you do nothing you get hit and it cast spells, it's extremely tanky

and i'll show you some

[split maple]

cws is very good workhorse for content its good at

dont expect it to do uber bosses and stuff tho

very cool build, made it 2x so far

[plush gulch]

he is a new player, he was looking for cool fire or cold build

[split maple]

if you go for that you need smh else for campaign and most of maps tho, kinda cannot do it early

[whole bluff]

RF is a thing I suppose

[plush gulch]

im not gonna bother a new player with rf

[whole bluff]

but that is more like just walking than flashy

[plush gulch]

stop scaling faster than a fly die

[whole bluff]

RF has the best written guide though

[plush gulch]

then they need to switch

[split maple]

how will you do cws then tho

[spice pecan]

what do you think ppl play before cws

[split maple]

earthshatter bers into respec?

[spice pecan]

lmao

[plush gulch]

i guess that's an argument

[bright viper]

Rf teaches them a lot purely because of the wiki

[plush gulch]

difference is he need to figure out how rf works and stuff

purely to ditch it

after

[spice pecan]

you get fire res and life

you turn on RF

[bright viper]

Also

[spice pecan]

you hold left click

[plush gulch]

i guess

[split maple]

it works by you using left click to move and wait for stuff to die

[bright viper]

Who says they're ditching it

Some people just live on rf

[plush gulch]

in any case i think he wants more spell caster kind of feel

[split maple]

farming harbs on rf is a vibe

[plush gulch]

and i felt cws you get tons of firer stuff

[golden garden]

yeah

[split maple]

and it also can use traps Brillanty, i thought you like these

[plush gulch]

on the screen

yeah I do

[split maple]

maybe check ignite reap on youtube

its strong elementalist starter, Manni has a guide on maxroll

[plush gulch]

not has flashy has volatile dead

as*

[split maple]

and its elementalist which is pretty fucking strong this league, so if it turns out you dont like that, there is a lot of other options to respec to without need for new char

[plush gulch]

yeah

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtTpfDZXuU4

do you think it's still

up to date

kinda ?

[split maple]

just take emiracles video

emiracles updated it

[plush gulch]

i was looking for the one that cast a lot of spells

rather than the one ignite poof one

[brazen vector]

One butt one

[plush gulch]

i'll check

[fiery marsh]

Vaal cold snap the rf, rf wishes it could be

[split maple]

he has cws in like all sockets lol

it fills the screen allrite

[plush gulch]

lol he is dedicated

[split maple]

tho this league gem setups is a bit less flashy than last one

[golden garden]

holy this looks insane cool 😮

[split maple]

since he went for flame wall and surge instead of bladefall of volleys and firestorm of pelting, so a tad less projectiles

[plush gulch]

but im warning you it's an afk build

if you mind

[fiery marsh]

My eyes

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmMQdca4_rM&t=386s

that's more up to date

[split maple]

^Erik that guide

[fiery marsh]

Don't get baited into cws

[split maple]

for leveling grab this tho: https://pohx.net/

[fiery marsh]

30min map boss fights

[golden garden]

oh well i dont wanna be afk xd

[plush gulch]

:p

[split maple]

why the fuck would you do bosses on cws

[plush gulch]

alright

[fiery marsh]

You do it on rf tho

[plush gulch]

it's not that you have to afk but you dont need to hit your keyboard to kill stuff

[split maple]

Plop it in simul, go watch TV, pick up dough

[plush gulch]

so you still move around and loot

[split maple]

Like why do bosses on that

[plush gulch]

and you have the possiblity to afk

me I was running T17 map with it

it was great

[split maple]

I also rly wouldn't boss on rf

Not even dotcaped scion rf

[plush gulch]

but I skipped bosses

[fiery marsh]

Skip 50% idols?

[plush gulch]

so he kinda wants flashy stuff with lot of spells on the screen

that's why I was looking for cws

[fiery marsh]

Just play fulcrum

[split maple]

Nineties are calling and they want their fulcrum back

[fiery marsh]

Like cws is original lol

[split maple]

It's not but it's at least a nice workhorse with a job

And a good guide

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vgN6-9ZX4

what is this unholy number of projectiles guys

[fiery marsh]

I can't hear you, I'm clearing 3 screens over

Cws is more expensive then rf too lmao

[golden garden]

my pc would explode lol

[split maple]

It needs two jewels and a bathrobe and it's month 3 in league

[plush gulch]

idk why you are arguing fulcrum maybe it's better but it doesn"'t matter if it not what he is looking for

[split maple]

Tho cws aint rly newb friendly so maybe aint a good choice for Erik at least

[fiery marsh]

We talking league start here

[plush gulch]

you can't say im looking for a fire build with lot of spells on screen well 'you should league start rf'

[split maple]

We talking Erik who Just starting to play

Not Phrecia next week

[fiery marsh]

Fulcrum it is