1┃general

[proud gorge]

Pubg definitely came first

[hard cliff]

It's a baby game

[lean urchin]

fortnite is a super popular advertisment board

[worldly bridge]

yes i know

im not worried about specifics

[candid moon]

I highly disagree

[proud gorge]

Fortnite was originally just a co-op shooter, then they added the Battle Royale game mode during the start of the BR boom, and that really catapulted things

[hard cliff]

https://i.imgur.com/KqgTyYL.png

I'm just playing tf2 lol

😎

[proud gorge]

also yeah, we know what "Fortnite but if it had more serious gunplay" looks like, and it's the new Call of Duty, and it sucks ass

[candid moon]

I was waiting for their promised free co-op for months lol

[hard cliff]

Apex legends had potential and was fun at times

Besides the whole "loot for 10~ minutes and die" gameplay loop

[proud gorge]

oh I was talking more about the Skin/costmetic loop

[candid moon]

Fortnite in the early times was great, building flowed very well with the game - thats why it got so popular

[proud gorge]

which the new CoD is trying really hard to copy from Fortnite

[hard cliff]

That sounds horrendous

[proud gorge]

it is yeah

[hard cliff]

They wanted a phone number (creeps!) so I never got to try it

I have a steam account if that ain't get enough go away

[worldly bridge]

im still sad that i didnt get the chance to experience titan fall in its hayday

titan fall crumpled so apex could SPRINT

[hard cliff]

Titan Fall 2 is one of the best single player and multiplayer games ever

which is insane to say

but it

is true

[worldly bridge]

i have it just, no interest anymore

because who else is playing it lol

[hard cliff]

Extremely sweaty people last I tried

[candid moon]

My hardware wasnt the best during apex boom, probs the reason why it didnt hook me

[hard cliff]

Terrible lol

[candid moon]

https://www.callofduty.com/store/bundles/5614

I had to check, its real

[hard cliff]

I liked playing the gay amputee, the sneaky mexican and the sassy teenage rambo

Sneaky mexican got me a lot of wins

[candid moon]

Ive watched a couple hours of cod tournaments and idk why is the game still as popular as it is

Probably people playing the same game every year

[worldly bridge]

normie be playing normie shit

[lean urchin]

it feeds you with the +X XP things, and killstreaks

[worldly bridge]

we're over here autsim'ing out over +1% inc attack speed divine roll

[hard cliff]

Yeah I've played CoD on free weekends

it's an arcade game disguised as a serious game

which isn't outright bad but it's interesting

at least black ops 2/3/infinite

[worldly bridge]

its gotten a lot less dedicated to keeping that serious cover

[hard cliff]

so maybe it's been awhile

[worldly bridge]

form what ive seen

[hard cliff]

I didn't wanna pay forr it but if I got one of those blops free or very cheap I'd probably have put a good bit of hours into it

[candid moon]

Bf6 more of my jam

[lean urchin]

my pc struggles with bf6

so i refunded

[hard cliff]

I played battlefield 1 for awhile but the setting sucks so hard

(ww1)

[lean urchin]

bf1 is like THE battlefield

[hard cliff]

I prefer ww2

[candid moon]

Ive not played other bf games, bf6 is set in 2027 or smth

[hard cliff]

I thought about playing the new BF battle royale but it wants kernel level anticheat

so no lol

[candid moon]

I wasnt a fan of it at all ngl

Well, I'm not in to BR's anymore to begin with

[elfin shale]

i still have no idea where Black Ops 4 - 6 came from

I blinked and we had 3 more than we should've had

[lean urchin]

they need their yearly bag

[elfin shale]

I miss Advanced Warfare

[hard cliff]

yeah overall i did not enjoy my time in the genre

Rather have objectives

or big death match

[elfin shale]

If i wanted to play a Battle Royale id go out and try to buy a pizza in town

[candid moon]

Youre describing bf6

[hard cliff]

True

[worldly bridge]

so what do i do to quell my arpg needs

keep struggling ythrough levelling (in either poe game, i have an edc lich and a fb warden) or anyone got something else

[hard cliff]

I'm getting high and watching the dota cartoon

you'll have to make your own choices

[worldly bridge]

graaa

i cant get high smh

have work and stuff

[thick goblet]

that show was a fever dream

[steel light]

Players are Cursed with Vulnerability · Players are Cursed with Temporal Chains · Players are Cursed with Elemental Weakness
for this map mod if i'm at least 100% reduce curse effect i'll be totally unaffected right?

[hard cliff]

It's something so far lol

[worldly bridge]

should be yeah?

i think thats how it works

[steel light]

well it's poe, i can't be too sure

[fierce ferry]

hi so im coming back to poe last time i played it was in 2023, im wondering should i play poe or poe2?

[lean urchin]

i like poe1. i havent tried poe 2. so imo, play poe 1

[elfin spire]

Yeah, sometimes "100% reduced" is 100% out of 10%

[elfin spire]

Just play both

[worldly bridge]

Uh

Id recommend whichever youre feeling first

Both are good experiences

[elfin spire]

You'll be kinda out of content in PoE 2 after 2 months, so other 2 months can go into PoE 1

[worldly bridge]

Poe is just as satisfying as its always been

And temple in poe2 can be super juicy of you want affliction level of loot

[normal hedge]

if you wanna build a snake play poe2

[worldly bridge]

Actually i think i wanna make another character in trade, maybe ill finally get arpund to an armour stacker for the first time hehe

Or rf scion

[thick goblet]

depends on what kind of gamer you are, if you're a more casual player poe2 is the better product
otherwise id suggest poe1

[fierce ferry]

i see im installing both 😭 just to get a feel i mean i know what to expect from poe1 i just hope poe2 doesnt disappoint

[hard cliff]

Hello new friend

[fierce ferry]

hello

[hard cliff]

Favorite animal ?

[fierce ferry]

bunny

[hard cliff]

Good choice

[worldly bridge]

Bnuy

More of an ouppy person myseld

[hard cliff]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Cara_de_quem_caiu_do_caminhão..._%28cropped%29.jpg

[tight plinth]

Thats a big rat

[livid iron]

yo chat is this worth it?

288 divs

[elfin spire]

Wrong chat and game

[livid iron]

oops

[elfin spire]

Also, only +1 to spell's for over 200 divs? Lmao

[livid iron]

yea true

[normal hedge]

thats like

3 temples

[worldly bridge]

Poe temple supremacy

Incursion the goat

[hard cliff]

he's just a baby

[elfin spire]

3 good temple's that not every player has

[final owl]

i will probably genuinely never bother to try and set the temple up properly

[elfin spire]

You can run temple for entire day and if you're not lucky, you'll end up with less room's than you started.
Building it after nerfs not most interesting thing to do.
But if you don't do temple - you're pretty much out of trading(and crafting).

[final owl]

not entirely true but also i don't care

i play until i get bored / getting further requires more effort than i can be bothered with

trying to properly build temple in it's current form will always be more effort than i could be bothered with

[candid moon]

Wait till 0.5 comes out and reddit cries because "poverty league"

[final owl]

i wasn't really intending on playing this "league" at all tbh, but the talisman weapons retained my interest for longer than i expected

[wintry lily]

If you're not equal to richest league, you're in poverty league

[candid moon]

Affliction be like

5 minute crafts +100d a pop

[final owl]

necropolis was kinda like that too tbh

[candid moon]

Not rly

[final owl]

assuming you cbf dealing with the layout spreadsheeting

and had 43 quadtabs

[candid moon]

It just made items more available

Affliction was something else

I despised necro crafting ngl

[final owl]

oh i hated it oo

[wintry lily]

If you were somehow not cbt'd by necrocrafts, you'd find it great

[candid moon]

Item editor with extra steps

[final owl]

but it's also what made me buy all the quad tabs i have

[wintry lily]

If necro had current trade, it'd probably be well liked by more people

[candid moon]

I did buy 2 quads for necro

[wintry lily]

barring UI/UX being literal shitter

[candid moon]

Yeah trading for coffins was ass too

[urban monolith]

my spectres just disappeared, i dont have discecrate, i was in hideout and they were there and i got disconnected, after loggin in they are missing

[candid moon]

To the point where I didnt interact with the mech much

[wintry lily]

I think most people were literally put off by the trading.

Since target farming corpses wasn't feasible

[candid moon]

The profits from necro werent stupid high either

I mainly used it for very specific crafts

Idk why they kept in recombs tho, feels bad asw to me

[wintry lily]

Eh they're whatever to me

[urban monolith]

is it gone forever ?

[candid moon]

Recombs feel equal/worse than alterations

Its just annoying to print lots of bases to get the giga items

Which invalidates lots of other crafting angles because recombing is just that much cheaper

[final owl]

are they not in your desecrate or whatever

oh you don't have desecrate

how / why

[dreamy charm]

they should remove the old recomb and just keep the new one where you pick only 2 explicits

[urban monolith]

now i just bought them, raised, i went to take my food order, came back and saw i am in characte selection, then went back to my hideout and nothing

[final owl]

granted minions / specttres have changed a bit since i last played them, but how do you run a spectre build without using desecrate at all

[worldly bridge]

mfw everyone is farming temple so omens are 70 div

uh anyway

poe1

how bout that

never payed necropolis

i saw the game in my library but wasnt super intruiged

[final owl]

I just hope they don't mess up another mechanic and make it more annoying like 3.27

[worldly bridge]

keepers was chill

you think it was annoying?

[final owl]

it should be impossible to make me dislike breach

but they did itt

[worldly bridge]

you issue tbh

i think all the forms are pretty alright

the worst part is having to stand still

and thats like, it

otherwise its free

[final owl]

and guard some idiot who is standing still?

they made breach worse and more annoying and it breaks up mapping flow more

[worldly bridge]

base breach is way better

[final owl]

i just stopped doing tthe defend ones entirely early on

[worldly bridge]

the ONLY bad part is hacing to guard ailith

do you agree?

[wintry lily]

The walls made certain mechanics worse

and some skills unusuable through it

[worldly bridge]

walls were wack yeah

but i havent had issues with them

[wintry lily]

Defense is regularly the most hated breach

atm

[final owl]

well sure, the tree is fine. the bosses are.. a waste of time. Normal breach is fine because it didn't change. Defend breaches suck

[worldly bridge]

unless i didnt clear an obvious path

hives are p cool

24 wave

lots of loot from them

[final owl]

i imagine they will add scarabs to avoid the defend breach variants if they don't straight up just remove themn

[worldly bridge]

while i dont find standing still the most engaging either

[wintry lily]

"50% less chance to have defense breach"

[worldly bridge]

i thi8nk the option to spec in to the 24 wave dfense would be nice

[wintry lily]

"Limit : 1"

[worldly bridge]

yall are so doomer lmao

theyll get it right

im sure

[wintry lily]

I've been burnt by ggg enough times

Im not holding any hope

[final owl]

ggg are generally loath to actually drop parts of new content they make just because people dislike them 😛

[worldly bridge]

bluds still in the discord

[warm musk]

What are the best skills that goes well with oni-goroshi in the campaign. Ik it can easily clear on its on but what would be good contenders other than smite/smite of judgement?

[worldly bridge]

LS is always a good choice

even after nerf

[wintry lily]

Other than having friends to mess around in chat with? PoE is still the better arpg. No reason to leave unless they fully decide to fuck shit up

[final owl]

anyway tree was good to me and i had a pretty good league overall, even if my second build was pretty whatever

[wintry lily]

And they still haven't, they occasionally fix it. And occasionally abandon promises

rip melee fix

[final owl]

the "melee fix" is poe2

[worldly bridge]

ehh

[wintry lily]

PoE2 melee makes me want to self flagellation

[worldly bridge]

ive seen them delete things enough to trust that they arent malicious

or sadistic

well ok maybe sadistic

but not like, wanting us to have a bad time

[wintry lily]

Easily the worst melee experience in any game I've tried

[final owl]

i wouldn't use those words

[worldly bridge]

they do genyinely care abt the game

[wintry lily]

I would

[final owl]

but i can understand being attached to things you have spent time creating

[wintry lily]

Its that shit fucked to me.

[worldly bridge]

but i can see that they want to try new stuff and its like a 5050 wether it works out or not

poeo2 isnt melee fix

it was an attempted redesign that didnt go over well

so itll get tweaked as we go on

[wintry lily]

I dont mind trying things out, but they often times don't fix it later when people already hate it

[worldly bridge]

and everyone knows that about poe 2 now

no one is holding on to the ruthless vision

[wintry lily]

then sometimes they change it for the worse.

[final owl]

a big part of the reason poe2 exists is because the animation rigging systtem for poe1 is terrible, and that has it's biggest impact on.. reworking melee skills

[worldly bridge]

Correct

[wintry lily]

just make siones base kit

smh

[worldly bridge]

I dont have a rebuttal

You can have whateever opinion on that because how i see it

Idk what they want to and dont want to spend tome on

So if they dont remove something i don’t necessarily hold it against them

[final owl]

idk. if they eventually backport the animation rigging changes they made with poe2 to 1 you might see a meaningful melee rework

[worldly bridge]

Except for some weird stuff

[wintry lily]

also the biggest forgotten promise

poe mobile

[worldly bridge]

Like harby still requiring sixty clicks a pop

Why cant we have stacking loot

Or vaccum

Gotta feel that weight of rsi

[final owl]

but i suspect that poe1 is just going to continue to pretend melee doesn't really exist outside of slams

[worldly bridge]

Things have just been really turbulent

I think we woll see melee rework

[wintry lily]

i still won't ever like slams because of how they feel to me

[worldly bridge]

But

Poe2 just needs to be released

They need time to settle in their schedule

[wintry lily]

but they got love over strikes

[worldly bridge]

Etc

[wintry lily]

so it's something

[worldly bridge]

Also poe2 inherently has a higher ceiling

Come back when the major kinks are dealt woth and everything is gonna be great

[wintry lily]

now please just make hexblast a good self cast skill again, i beg

[worldly bridge]

In both games please

[final owl]

why does self cast almost entirely have to be bad even

[wintry lily]

ggg decided it should have a 2s cd

[worldly bridge]

I tried HB wfter the cd nerf in poe2 and its so abysmal man

[wintry lily]

because of miners

[worldly bridge]

An unsupported essence drain does more damage than fully supported hexblast

At least when i first unlocked it

Around lvl 40-50

As for poe1 idk, but they nust dont like hexblast it seems

It sucks in both games

[wintry lily]

it was okay in kalandra

[final owl]

i don't really understand their balance approach tbh. how do they not have a full damage emulation setup where they can just tweak skill numbers until they are appropriately usable

[wintry lily]

it got better when it could be used on mines (worse for me)

[final owl]

why do 1/3 skills have to languish in "completely unusable" category for so long

[worldly bridge]

Im sure they have some way of testing numbers

Theres no way they dont

After 13 years

[final owl]

I'm sure hey do too. They can't just be flying by the seat of their pants

[worldly bridge]

The 1% chance they dont have emulation and somehow have been spitballing balance

[potent horizon]

I'm tryna find a balance of a truly decent skill with good looks and it feels like you gotta dump Hella currency for off Meta to make it viable

[worldly bridge]

Rf

Chieftan

[wintry lily]

I mean, for all we know, damage sim could just be smacking a no ai shaper

[kindred silo]

wut looks r u looking for?

[worldly bridge]

Wouldn’t be the worst test all things considered

[thick goblet]

because their mindset is that unplayed skills are not played because of some mechanic/feel issue, and that tweaking numbers won't fix the inherent issue

which i think is complete bs, people played dsoa which is basically default attack just cause the numbers were good

[worldly bridge]

What is dsoa

[thick goblet]

dual strike of ambidextry

[kindred silo]

double strike of ambi

oh dual

[potent horizon]

Not entirely sure I want something that'll rip and can give me mega juiced crop rotation but I didnt enjoy kinetic blast. I liked winter orb but it's inconsistent so I'm not sure what I'm looking for this is my first league I'm prepping for Mt second

[final owl]

yeah doesn't make sense to me. all skills should be "viable". doesn't have to mean "good"

[wintry lily]

it does depend on the skill, strikes have some leeway often times

[final owl]

i had to use DSoA this league D:

but only for specific bossing

because flicker

[wintry lily]

and just upping numbers on those tends to fix part of the problem

[eternal hill]

That just doesn't exist in eyes of most players

[kindred silo]

well strike r weird in that half of them r basically the same thing so wut is even the point of balancing them

[eternal hill]

It's either the best option or no option

[wintry lily]

but skills like Hexblast (when doom was a thing) is mechanically just bad

[potent horizon]

I was thinking of pumping up cold dot by using vaal cold snap instead of righteous fire thats more up my alley

[wintry lily]

or channelling skills pre any channelling stuff got added.

[eternal hill]

Poison hexblast 07

[tranquil sedge]

you can take most skills to t16 maps at least sure but some are disproportionately harder than others

partly because some of them are undertuned

[kindred silo]

oh cold dot will be a bit tough to make feel good for harvest

[tranquil sedge]

partly because when ggg nerfs op skills they do it very harshly and kill them outright

[wintry lily]

ggg killed vortex

[thick goblet]

the classic triple tap

[wintry lily]

in one move

[final owl]

yeah i know. but in poe1 getting to T16 maps is where a league begins, not ends right

[tranquil sedge]

yep triple tap nerfs all day long

[wintry lily]

and I'll never forgive ggg for that

[eternal hill]

Cold dot is kinda back with Elem aoe

[worldly bridge]

Ywah cause if they dont nerf it hard enough, a lpud enough vocal minority will scream about no diversity

[tranquil sedge]

if you understand that then you understand why people consider a lot of skills not viable

[eternal hill]

Looked pretty strong

[worldly bridge]

Thats why i think at least

[potent horizon]

I have an elementalist and winter tide brand seems interesting

[tranquil sedge]

i just think if they wanna weaken shit do it gradually lmao not bonk bonk bonk

[tranquil sedge]

no its really just ggg is very slow/bad at balance

[eternal hill]

Mega bonk bonk bonk

[tranquil sedge]

its not one standalone incident

[final owl]

of course. I am not confused about why people think a lot of skills aren't viable. I am confused by GGG does not make more of them viable.

[tranquil sedge]

like that is just the norm for them

[tranquil sedge]

oh then i misread your first message ig my bad

yea we wanna know that too

i mostly found 3.27 patch notes negative for example

BUT

the one section i found outright positive?

the small buffs across the board to a lot of skill/support gems

that is the kind of change they need

buff things nobody is playing

[wintry lily]

the expedition patch

[tranquil sedge]

and SLIGHTLY nerf the things everyone IS playing

they tend to not do the first enough
and they tend to go overboard on the second

[kindred silo]

vfos xd

[final owl]

like surely after the game existing for so long having a compregensive damage scaling test setup for skills is something.. they have?

[tranquil sedge]

bro i dont fucking get it at all

vfos got a 33% nerf and its still playable

[wintry lily]

and gggs favourite "nerfing top end"

[tranquil sedge]

meanwhile splitting steel got deleted

[silent leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393762031546532010/1456964114051109042/PZRZXJVPXEEA8OUI3.gif

[worldly bridge]

Snaking was a league started that one i dont get at all

[tranquil sedge]

'projectiles cannot split' is so funny

in a sad way

[worldly bridge]

Why nerf a starter like that god

[tranquil sedge]

oh sorry not vfos i was thinking msoz

u right yea vsoz got clapped

lmao

[final owl]

all they would have to do is snapshot popular builds used every league and swap in worthless skills and tweak the numbers until they didn't look like worthless garbage. how hard can that be.

[tranquil sedge]

dont forget frost blades of katabasis - fbok

[worldly bridge]

I started snaking last leafue and it was chill

[tranquil sedge]

it went from playable to pointless

in one patch

[kindred silo]

and ya ss not returning was such a weird decision

[worldly bridge]

Eh, the skill is still useable

Tbh

[wintry lily]

mfw i cant play hit ek still cuz it sucks

[worldly bridge]

Everyone focuses way too hard on the proj of FB, its still fine all things considered

[elfin spire]

Funniest thing is that ggg tend to nerf some random 1.5% usage rate skills, but leaving alone something like lightning sparks that people we're running for last 5 league's

[tranquil sedge]

coz thats the best way to build it, as a instant shotgun build that deletes packs up to almost offscreen

[kindred silo]

like ss was always kinda mid even after nimis as added

[tranquil sedge]

3.25 saw fire trap of all fucking things get included in nerfs

[worldly bridge]

Or just play it as strikes…..

[tranquil sedge]

and only the rf players use that shit lmao

[wintry lily]

rfers cried that night

[tranquil sedge]

that is playing it as a strike im not sure what u mean

[worldly bridge]

Idk i dont see why fb js played as a budget LS by most people

[worldly bridge]

Just play ls

[kindred silo]

wasnt it always just considered the worse version

[tranquil sedge]

now u see why that nerf was so dumb xd

because yes if someone goes fbok most of us will now just say exactly that

'just play ls'

or normal frost blade

[gritty garnet]

it's the new-player friendly version because freezing enemies prevent you from dying

[worldly bridge]

You misunderstood

[final owl]

lightning is the only ethical damage type obviously, it is known

[worldly bridge]

Im saying people build frost blades, even post nerf, toplay like ls with the projectiles

If you want the proj that bad just go play ls i say

[wintry lily]

phys dot committed some kind of sin

[tranquil sedge]

ye but now its just better off playing normal frost blades instead

if u wanna go fb

[worldly bridge]

Yeah this Was so strange

[tranquil sedge]

also like

its just the sheer magnitude of the nerfs happening at once

like take ls for example right, it got a 50% nerf

seriously what was wrong with just maybe considering 25% in one league

[worldly bridge]

Nerf FT just to buff scorching ray a little bit

[tranquil sedge]

then another 25% next league if needed still?

[worldly bridge]

And everyone STILL uses ft

[tranquil sedge]

im not saying ls didn't need nerfs
just...take it one step at a time dont leapfrog smh

or vfos - why was it hit that hard lol

or even this one lemme get a pic

look at TS changes in 3.24 lol

attack speed nerf, quality nerf and a little cherry on top with mana cost

all at once

went from everyone plays this shit to hello elemental hit of the spectrum

[wintry lily]

TS players stopped existing overnight

They dont even exist now

the time it shows up in ninja is when someone does some automated shit with it

and only because there's no other skills left to slot in

[tranquil sedge]

ye like everyone knew tornado shot would get a nerf it was expected and deserved
but its just how far it goes every time

hatred nerf in 3.25 didn't help the ts players either

[umbral crag]

GGG new philosophy is take away fun from poe1 one league at a time i swear

[final owl]

poe1 is most fun when it gets really silly imo. they should lean into it, server / player performance issues aside

[wintry lily]

rip gloomfang morb my beloved

[final owl]

rip alva evolution shrines

[wintry lily]

my eyes go unseared

double threshold jewel gloomfang morb was funny to a different level

[jagged raven]

will golems get nerfed next league?

[worldly bridge]

probably

[final owl]

nobody knows. as usual, the answer is 50/50

it will or it won't

[silent leaf]

^

im betting on no

[worldly bridge]

they hate strong levelling

[silent leaf]

if they do, its likely the cluster and not the ascendacy

imo

[worldly bridge]

but add breach crafting tree

[silent leaf]

but all we can do is speculate

[final owl]

yeah i doubt also but who knows.

[jagged raven]

oh what about the tree?

[final owl]

ggg works in mysterious and inscrutable ways

[silent leaf]

I WISH IT FUCKING STAYS

RAAAAAAH

[jagged raven]

tree giving six links

[silent leaf]

I DONT NEED TO CRAFT 900 PDPS AXES ANYMORE

FUCKING LET IT STAY

[worldly bridge]

the tree is op as balls yeah

[silent leaf]

I HATE CRAFTING

[final owl]

i doubt tree stays

[worldly bridge]

it prints fractures

[jagged raven]

same

[silent leaf]

ok but that only hurts harbing players

so no one got hurt

[worldly bridge]

yeah

so

me

[silent leaf]

i did say no one

[final owl]

i reckon we get scarabs for new breach, tree is gone and replaced with new league mechanic

[silent leaf]

[worldly bridge]

fractures were below 2 div

its so sad

at least you cant fracture higher i level bases !!!

haha

with tree i mean

[eternal folio]

ngl i hope it all goes core

atlas node to remove the walls

[final owl]

a league mechanic never goes core in it's entirety

[eternal folio]

rip

i hope foulborn items stay

they look cool

[umbral crag]

Heavily nerf the gear part of the tree and it'll be fine

[gritty garnet]

you can only have 1 graft but it deletes half your glove

[worldly bridge]

one graft per finger

[silent leaf]

didnt exped go fully core

i remember they delete nothing and just keep as is right?

[gritty garnet]

wombgifts become incubators and can only be redeemed while the tree is visible during collapsing breaches

[final owl]

my memory isn't that good honestly. but it's still mostly true

[silent leaf]

AFAIK only exped

it goes downhill after lmfao

[eternal folio]

take all of keepers away but give me 10 graft slots and no way to get grafts

[silent leaf]

we got what, scourge, that shit got nuked

archnemesis got to stay for 2 leagues was it

sentinel's system got removed, archnem was roaming rampant

kalandra's map got removed and archnem was the HC player's nightmare

sanctum idk i didnt play
crucible got nuked
ancestor got nuked
affliction got nuked
necro got nuked

settlers got resized to 1-5 levels
mercs got nuked

[gritty garnet]

rampage got turned into gloves lol

[silent leaf]

i wasnt there

onslaught league also was there i heard

got turned into a fucking flask

lmao

[potent horizon]

3.28 they should drop all that content again and called it resurgence and see how chaotic that league can get 3.29 they take it all away again

[final owl]

can you imagine if they just added setttlers 100% without change after a solid year of it

[silent leaf]

yea i kinda can

i just dont interact with it

[final owl]

I'm still mildly annoyed i feel compelled to do any settlers stuff tbh

[silent leaf]

same

[final owl]

but shipments are just too good for lazy play

[silent leaf]

i just do shipments for tattoos and runegraft

cause its fucking mandatory for any decent build

well not mandatory, high qol

[gritty garnet]

settlers could've been a guild thing

[worldly bridge]

i think affliction being added back in to the game would break everything

i would be excited to try crucible again though!

now that im actually a concious human being

it was my first ever experience with poe, i remember being in high gate with dual strike and being so fucking lost

came back in tota with a skele mage necro and loved it

took another break now im fully addicted

[livid quarry]

i came back during affliction

was pretty noob

didnt know how to use kirac

but got mirror that league

[worldly bridge]

god???

affliction mirrors dont count

from what ive heard

[livid quarry]

welp mirrored item still feels good

[worldly bridge]

culturally, literally speaking theyre real

what did you mnirror

[livid quarry]

oh i got 2 mirrors

bow and arrow

quiver

was playing tornado shot

feels bad such a good skill was held back and now nerfed

[hard cliff]

[worldly bridge]

imagine having to craft your arrows

[livid quarry]

had to not kill abyssal spires

[hard cliff]

Holy shit

[livid quarry]

so i couldnt just spam

welp at least i got to peak in poe before poe2 came out

[fickle glen]

Cat won’t let me play what do I do

[livid quarry]

play with cat

[hard cliff]

post pic of cat

[final owl]

my guy decides it's time to sit on the keyboard or the mousepad

[fickle glen]

The blonde cats are at it

[umbral crag]

I can finally buy my simplex 🥲

[hard cliff]

very cute thanks for sharing

[tawdry olive]

> Painstakingly roll each individual arrow for 4 good mods
> consume all in one T17

The vision

Then some mf gonna come up with arrow recomb NNN tech and make 10 mirrors from tornado shot players

[fickle glen]

Running on ammo in this game would be difficult

[final owl]

just imagine how meaningful each shot would feel though

[hard cliff]

They should make a poe class that let's you re sharpen your weapon mid combat

ohhh wait

[haughty ermine]

no thanks

[worldly bridge]

Smith!

Slayer will have this

For sure

In poe2

[nocturne saddle]

RF builds are basicly someone looking at the sun and going "aight, bet."

[worldly bridge]

The vaal and chieftan: 🤝

[wintry lily]

Projectile skills like TS use more arrows per shot

Skills like molten strike require farming pieces of rock

[silent leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393762031546532010/1456964114051109042/PZRZXJVPXEEA8OUI3.gif

[worldly bridge]

You need to wait for dannig to smelt your ore

[silent leaf]

dannyG

[worldly bridge]

Wanders require dust

[silent leaf]

[worldly bridge]

To attack

[wintry lily]

Foolish person, you need to make your own furnace

furnace has 40% chance to break, with every item inside gone

[worldly bridge]

It breaks on insertion

Destroying the item placed inside

[wintry lily]

it also breaks when taking out

[worldly bridge]

Returning a corrupted white item

[wintry lily]

too much value

You get a scrap

cannot be used for anything

[worldly bridge]

One wisdom frag smh

[wintry lily]

still too much

You don't have the Vision™

[final owl]

is this PoE being reimagined as a survival game?

[wintry lily]

if ggg made one perhaps

Would make GTNH look like a babies chore.

[umbral crag]

Sounds like v rising

[tawdry olive]

Intentional preparation support
> projectile skills deal 20% more damage
> you now need to reload before each shot

The combo gameplay we all dreamed of 🔥

[worldly bridge]

Gtnh is automation hell, path of survival would be management hell

Different types of pain

[wintry lily]

Timing the reload gives you a 30% chance do deal 10% increased damage

[worldly bridge]

10 too much

+1 flat phys

[wintry lily]

Thats with max tier projectiles

[worldly bridge]

(1-1)

[wintry lily]

You mean 0-1

[worldly bridge]

Right!

On top of accuracy calculations!

this will be meaningful

[wintry lily]

You know for a fact ggg will let automation into their survival hell and make it both

[worldly bridge]

This is why i always laugh when people complain about a game not being realistic enough

The wider gaming audience doesnt want realism

They want arcade

Theyxjust dont realize it

[wintry lily]

Realism to a point is fine

[worldly bridge]

People often forget how much real life sucked up until a few hundred years ago

[opaque sphinx]

[wintry lily]

dead league

[worldly bridge]

Get to farmin boy!

I still got people buying my 17’s on merchant tab

Fairly quickly too

Not entirely dead

[opaque sphinx]

yeah its me buying them trying to farm scarabs

[wintry lily]

tbf, a league will never truly die

It'll just be empty as shit after some point

So certain more common loot becomes rarer

[worldly bridge]

The real money peeps will stay playing all league

But no one talks abt that

[wintry lily]

The upside is by that time no ones really going to start fighting you to snipe that 1div gear that remains

[worldly bridge]

Merchants really help with that

Longevity is amazing with them

[steel light]

i have 3 mappers group and one got kidnap, the other 2 stop and went on strike

[final owl]

can you make mappers attempt voided valdos

[hard cliff]

congrats

[wintry lily]

Imagine if they fail, the entire map device gets voided

That would be funny

[split maple]

They cannot into valdos sadly

[wintry lily]

Man, why doesnt poe mobile exist yet

[steel light]

cause they know that not everyone have phone

[final owl]

can you imagine the run of mobile phones catching on fire in peoples hands

[wintry lily]

I have done worse to my phone

[worldly bridge]

i wish they could valdos

they can run 17s right

[steel light]

can mapper get lab frac other than offering to the goddess?

[final owl]

they should allow mappers to go into valdos just with 0% chance of success. Just so you can be evil.

it's not about the loot

it's about sending a message

[wintry lily]

Just sac the guy who keeps throwing a tantrum

[worldly bridge]

i remember the one time i saw ziz's mappers come out with a trial master unique

that means they beat 6 man trial master

[split maple]

Yeah, if they 100% complete map you get ufrag

[worldly bridge]

and an ultimatum encounter

[split maple]

They also bring sacred lifeforce sometimes, idk how they portal to oshabi from map

[worldly bridge]

sshhhhh

they actualy just portal to their own hideout

and then /kingsmarch

[split maple]

And ilvl84-86 clusters from t16 somehow

[worldly bridge]

its like physics, dont think about it too hard

it hurts

[steady elk]

besides currency what other stash tabs would i need?

[opal ingot]

!stashtab

okay worth a shot

!tabs

[covert swan]

Stash tab sale when?
Generally, stash tabs are on sale every three weeks starting the second weekend of the league - the subreddit has an estimated stash tab sale day in the sidebar

How do I get points?
Purchasing the First Blood starter pack is recommended, as it has 200 points, a stash tab, and a weapon effect
||https://www.pathofexile.com/purchase#FirstBloodPack||
Alternatively, supporter packs are more cost effective than individual points, and give you extra stuff too.

Which ones do I get?
Recommended first tabs are:

• Currency Tab
• Upgrade to Premium (easier to list your items for trade)
• Map tab (after finishing the campaign)
• Fragment tab (after finishing the campaign)

_ And then what?_
If you're focusing on something specific eg. essence farming, picking up the essence tab might be a good investment. The same goes for the divination, and other specialized tabs, like delirium or delve. However, you may find you can handle things with a combination of regular tabs or a quad tab (and the extra storage space doesn't hurt either)

[final owl]

maps is pretty convenience imho

[opal ingot]

ok

this recommend is kinda crazy

definitely go fragment first

then map last

[final owl]

idk it kinda grinds my gears there are so many things that still don't have an affinity associated with them

[split maple]

And swap prem to merchant

[opal ingot]

currency -> MARKET TAB -> fragment -> map

[split maple]

And wait for sale in 10 days 😄

[opal ingot]

or be like me

dont buy during sale and buy the day after

happened to me 3 times already

ggg has their magic spell on me

[split maple]

Flexing that wealth tctctc

[steel light]

these good for nothing mappers need to bring me a

[opal ingot]

im anything but wealthy

[wintry lily]

Tbf, iirc the recommendation was made a while ago, and generally speaking I still agree with it

[opal ingot]

map over fragment?

[wintry lily]

Juicing with scarabs isn't a thing a newcomer would do instantly, not horde as much scarabs yet

[steady elk]

ty fellas

[split maple]

They Will still drop scarbs

[wintry lily]

But thats my personal opinion

Yeah and I'd just sell em if I needed the money

[opal ingot]

i survived a league i believe without map and i can definitely say fragment is more important

[split maple]

And maps stashtab is Just QoL for easier atlas completion

[opal ingot]

but its just my personal opinion

[steel light]

for starters currency, fragments, maps, essense, div card and trade are good

[wintry lily]

Do keep in mind tho

frag tab used to be infinitely worse than what it is now

[opal ingot]

ah, true

hmm that strengthens my case then, right?

[steel light]

this is frag tab

[wintry lily]

I think it'll depend on the person

[steel light]

it's all the frags, it saves u tabs

[wintry lily]

my pov is that map tabs are slightly more important than fragment around t1-t10

[steel light]

except breach this league

[wintry lily]

Pre juicing

then more important to have frags when you start juicing

[opal ingot]

true...

yeah im seeing it now

if they're newer map wil boost them up until they get a shitton of frags by being in the late endgame

adn by that point if they still want to play buy the frag

[split maple]

Shame maps tab is so smoll per map

[opal ingot]

where it will be more relevant

[steel light]

64?

[wintry lily]

But again, my own pov and opinion, someone else might see it differently and in the end, you do want all 4 of them anyways

[opal ingot]

nah im seeing the vision now

[split maple]

Yes, like 2 maps Worth of farming maps

[wintry lily]

Its 64 per map, but you keep more total maps in one tab

[opal ingot]

huh. i thought it was 72

[wintry lily]

If you're map farmer tho, its easier to just toss the rest into merch tab

[steady elk]

oh that's neat

[wintry lily]

and the ones you want to run elsewhere

[opal ingot]

yeah haha

[steady elk]

i got a divine in act 6 😭

[opal ingot]

GZ

[split maple]

Yeah but the issue is also if you want to roll maps in bulk abd stuff like that

[opal ingot]

i got mine i think in act 9

[split maple]

But yeah not in first league

[opal ingot]

first divine

[steel light]

i only get 11 max on 60% deli 110% quan and 150% map fortress with singular focus

[opal ingot]

it was 220c back then, so i thought i was rich

[wintry lily]

You can keep the ones you need to roll on a plain old tab no?

[split maple]

Like lategame you rly don't care about being able to store 72 burial chambers

I sure care about 200 strands

[wintry lily]

Yeah map tab value drops the later the league goes

[opal ingot]

oh

how about quad

i think its really important

[split maple]

Yeah that's why I think maps is Just QoL for atlas prog

[wintry lily]

pmuch the case I made

[opal ingot]

after map/frag definitely go quad

it made doing sets of map much much easier and more convenient

then essence/blight/deli whatever

[wintry lily]

nah

not even ess tab unless your brain cant handle the messy placements

I own pretty much all the tabs barring unique tab

Ess Blight Deli tabs are pretty useless compared to a regular ol tab

Unless you hate cassia in your hideout

Ess tab lets you easily upgrade essences, but realistically, most people filter them out if they're not even worth picking up

[split maple]

You can Just vendor upgrade esses anyways

[wintry lily]

deli orbs and maps you'd probably sell them like hotcake to have any large amount to hoard

[split maple]

Like ess is rly low value

[wintry lily]

Blight tab you "can" store blighted maps on it and oils

But again, oils you can just filter or vendor upgrade

[split maple]

I kinda like how deli/blight stash tabs pull blighted and delied maps to them instead of random ass tabs in maps tab

[wintry lily]

and blighted maps are still maps

[split maple]

But also rly low value

[wintry lily]

Ye

They're just good for organization

value wise they're like piss low

[opal ingot]

mb

[wintry lily]

Same for unique and flask tabs

At least for ssf/collectors on standard there's a case for them

[split maple]

Unique is kinda broken in ssf and pissass for trade yea

[wintry lily]

Specifically unique

[opal ingot]

besides trickster and jugg, what non-bloodline ascendancy gives action speed immunity

[split maple]

None

[opal ingot]

ah

[nocturne saddle]

I did

[opal ingot]

i think this was kinda overnerfed

make it 100%

plz

htat -10% less action speed is anti fun

[wintry lily]

Fun detected

[split maple]

Yeah Just compare it to jugg node

It looks sad

[wintry lily]

Next league.

[opal ingot]

true

you can even go other major pantheon with jugg

[split maple]

Instead of brine?

You Just tattoo stun immune on tricky

[opal ingot]

hmm

[opaque sphinx]

have u heard of our lord and saviour 5c gloves

[opal ingot]

🥹

1 months ago

[umbral crag]

@split maple i finally can afford my simplex 🙆‍♂️

[split maple]

Yoo big

[umbral crag]

Only reason why i could afford lmao

[split maple]

attack crit shaperinos?

[umbral crag]

Yeah, 0.78% near max

Bummer i didnt use it myself but simplex more impt

[ocean field]

Where is this passive

[haughty ermine]

over there

[stuck phoenix]

Bro

Why'd you call it a passive

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Delirious_Bloodline#/media/File:Delirious_Bloodline_skill_tree.png

I was hoping that'd embed

Oh well

[stray sedge]

[stuck phoenix]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/File:Delirious_Bloodline_skill_tree.png#/media/File:Delirious_Bloodline_skill_tree.png

Bro this one said it should

I was lied to

[ocean field]

sorry gng

that is why I said passive

[stuck phoenix]

Ok imma just reupload it

[stuck phoenix]

Ok you got scammed

Fair enough

[haughty ermine]

probably because it’s a passive

[frigid wedge]

there any sources of "your physical damage cannot be converted" or something similar? curious if u can use smite w facebreaker without half ur flat going bye bye

[stuck phoenix]

It's not a base passive skill though

[haughty ermine]

still a passive

[stuck phoenix]

And if someone says passive I will assume they mean on the regular passive tree

Not on an ascendancy tree

[stray sedge]

Your only realistic option is to convert the other 50% with Physical to Lightning support

[haughty ermine]

an ascendancy passive

[stray sedge]

and scale that way vs phys

[stuck phoenix]

No

[haughty ermine]

still a passive

[frigid wedge]

facebreaker is just for phys

[stray sedge]

derp, too used to the other one. Hollow palm or whatever

[stuck phoenix]

I don't see what's wrong with facebreaker smite though

[stray sedge]

wait no

[frigid wedge]

i swear its the entire reason that half the game lacks unconditional flat physical

[stray sedge]

if you convert it should work just fine??

[frigid wedge]

yeah but u lose half the flat damage

[stuck phoenix]

Yes

[stuck phoenix]

No

[frigid wedge]

no?

[stuck phoenix]

It's the other way around

[frigid wedge]

dont u miss out on the damage bonus

for all the dmg thats converted off

[stuck phoenix]

The game lacks flat phys since it's so easy to scale by converting it

[frigid wedge]

oh right

[stuck phoenix]

Because then you can run inc/more phys and inc/more whatever you converted it to

But also phys as extra ofc

It's hard to justify pure phys facebreakers

[frigid wedge]

i meant like abyssals have no global flat added phys and a lot of flat phys is conditional to weapon types

they used to

as a sidenote does flat for claw attacks work for unarmed w rigwald ammy

i assume not

[frigid wedge]

rn most facebreaker builds are ice crash of cadence

or cyclone

[gritty epoch]

Facebreaker is cope rn

[frigid wedge]

why

it got buffed to 1000% and u can make it 1200 with bound runegraft

[steel light]

is this for aurabot or something?

[zinc stump]

Its for nobody

[clear lodge]

Anyone have a good grasp on kinetic blast and how the damage works? Im sort of newish and am looking at pobs and guides for it and people are saying the damage in the pobs aren't the actual damage you'll be doing because of multiple hits or explosions or something

[frigid wedge]

damage is from explosion overlaps

[clear lodge]

I just want to get a better understanding of it so I get how the damage works

[frigid wedge]

which is why more projectiles is more damage

ppl in pob very often configure the pob to assume every explosion hits, when in reality their aoe doesnt allow it unless under very specific conditions

[clear lodge]

So when a guides pob says a projectile does 800k damage, how would I roughly be able to figure out how much actual damage id be doing?

[frigid wedge]

and other ppl just assume 1 projectile

[frigid wedge]

depends on the aoe

if u wanna be safe for most situations there will probably be ~2-3 projectiles with the same mob in radius

but its dependent on how much inc aoe u have

also depends which kinetic blast bc clustering is a bitch to calculate

norm is more consistent to calc

[clear lodge]

The build guide i was looking at for kb the endgame damage said 800k, which seems low for the endgame version of the build

And it's regular kb

[frigid wedge]

whose build is it

if its a headhunter setup it doesn't rlly matter what pob says

[zinc stump]

Kb generally don't hit high numbers

[clear lodge]

It's the ds_lily guide on mobalytics

https://mobalytics.gg/poe/builds/dslily-elementalist-kinetic-blast

[stuck phoenix]

Ice crash is indeed 0% phys

Cyclone can be whatever, would need to look to know if they run pure phys

But they probably aren't

[zinc stump]

Cyclone is

[frigid wedge]

ye i realised as i said it

[zinc stump]

They use the unarmed chest

[frigid wedge]

all of them do

bc its crit

and better solution for crit than rigwald

[zinc stump]

But ye uh cyclone is pure phys afaik

[brazen vector]

And its more swagalicious

[zinc stump]

Poe ninja is cancer on phone so source is trust me bro

[frigid wedge]

id rather just be able to throw skills into the setup tho instead of dealing w pen etc

be more fun

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its fine im not playing rn anyway

[frigid wedge]

why have u become marauder simp

[brazen vector]

You have merely adapted the marauder simp but I was born a marauder simp, molded by it!

[frigid wedge]

:/

[fickle glen]

How does this bow work if it doesn’t have base damage?

[brazen vector]

What's wrong with it

[frigid wedge]

it didnt say marauder simp last week

[brazen vector]

Base damage

[brazen vector]

Youre right

[stuck phoenix]

Ez just run wsoe
Actually does wsoe work unarmed

[fickle glen]

Hold up I thought base damage was physical

[brazen vector]

You thought wrong

[fickle glen]

BUT I THOUGHT!

[stuck phoenix]

Based

[brazen vector]

Can't argue with that, still wrong

[fickle glen]

So I’m assuming it scales only with elemental skills? Or am I assuming wrong

[stuck phoenix]

Skills don't have to be elemental or physical

They don't have to be tied to any damage type

The only relevant assumption to make is that scaling elemental damage is useful and that scaling phys damage is useless, with it

[stuck phoenix]

So, no. You are assuming wrong

[frigid wedge]

wat

[stuck phoenix]

Wild Strike of Extremes

[frigid wedge]

oh

bleh

[fickle glen]

And it seems to be cold damage so I have to use cold skills?

[stuck phoenix]

Xddd

[frigid wedge]

wild strike be so boring

[stuck phoenix]

Another incorrect assumption

[frigid wedge]

also using a skill like ws with only melee dmg

[stuck phoenix]

Have you looked at any cold skills

[frigid wedge]

ew

[fickle glen]

This game…

[stuck phoenix]

Actually when you say cold skills what do you even mean

Passives?

[brazen vector]

Also elementalist with x damage can chill exist too

[stuck phoenix]

Or skill gems?

[fickle glen]

Skill gems

[stuck phoenix]

Ok so go read some skill gems with the cold tag

And tell me if you think they care much if your weapon is base phys or base cold

[brazen vector]

You said the r word, scary

[stuck phoenix]

Watch me say the

The

[brazen vector]

https://tenor.com/view/the-meme-when-the-gif-21470450

[fickle glen]

This is the only cold bow skill I can find

Seems to scale off of physical

[stuck phoenix]

Yeah so see how its only cold boost is how much chill you do

And it has 60% phys to cold, which becomes 100% at the cost of 1 passive

So it doesn't really care if your base is phys or cold

[brazen vector]

Don't need to convert if the base is cold already

[stuck phoenix]

Indeed

In a sense

The phys conversion is wasted

So it's a waste to run this if you're already doing cold

[fickle glen]

Then this bow makes no sense

[brazen vector]

This is a weapon for a build that deals chaos damage

PoE is weird like that

[stuck phoenix]

How so

[fickle glen]

It does cold damage but shouldn’t run cold skills

According to you

[stuck phoenix]

I didn't say you shouldn't use cold skills

I just said it doesn't really make that skill tempting

[fickle glen]

in a sense you did

[stuck phoenix]

You should pick a skill for a good reason

Such as for example how it hits

Not because it gives more chill

[fickle glen]

If this weapon have multiple base damages which one of them do your skills scale off of?

[pulsar dune]

All of them, you can deal any number of damage types at once in poe

(tri-ele is one of the strongest attack setups in the game due to all the ailments you apply and uniques that scale off of those ailments, but this weapon is actually for a poison build, read the implicit)

[fickle glen]

I am just mostly confused on these skills scale with damage is all

[pulsar dune]

With attacks, they just deal whatever damage is on your weapon

[fickle glen]

See how this says 280% base of which is huge

[pulsar dune]

If you equip a weapon with Cold and lightning damage, burning arrow would hit for cold and lightning damage.

The element of an attack is usually irrelevant

[fickle glen]

That’s actually helpful

[wintry lily]

Me when I use fire skills to poison my enemies

[brazen vector]

Generally its easier to see in PoB

[brazen vector]

MSoZ time

[fickle glen]

What is that?

[brazen vector]

Path of building, the game we all play

[wintry lily]

Tbf, there's nothing stopping a person from using those daggers for a generic attack build but with poison application for other unique effects, then again I don't recall people using golden rule as of late

[fickle glen]

I play path of exile dude

[pulsar dune]

True, you definitely could play tri-ele.

[brazen vector]

Not a dude, but check out path of building when you have access to a pc

[tranquil sedge]

you know how you share pobb.in links? yea we all open those in pob if we want to view more info on it
there's no way you haven't seen people talking about pob or screenshots of pob at least once in this discord lol

[stuck phoenix]

He's only been here for like 2 weeks

[crisp plinth]

You have to account for the 70% of base attack speed though

It's always a balance

[tranquil sedge]

dam
feels like longer

anyway yea download and install path of building

sooner you get used to using it the better tbh

(if you have a pc)

[brazen vector]

Closer to 3 weeks

[wintry lily]

70% isnt much of a downside here over that you're playing burning arrow.

[fickle glen]

I understand the reason of slowing skills but making them hit hard

I am only having trouble understanding the scaling like when a weapon have multiple base damages does that mean it’s considered multiple shots in 1 go?

[crisp plinth]

No

[pulsar dune]

No, a single hit can do up to all 5 damage types

[crisp plinth]

Your attack has multiple parts/types of elements

Or rather can have

[pulsar dune]

I can hit for 300 cold, 500 fire, 1000 lightning in a single hit

[crisp plinth]

Then there's generic boni which work on any attack or specific ones like cold only

[pulsar dune]

And it'll add up after each type is resisted by the enemy as appropriate

[fickle glen]

So base damage % on the skill increases the skill itself or the base weapon stats when using the skill

[tranquil sedge]

it affects base and added flat damage of hits

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Damage_effectiveness

[pulsar dune]

Base damage being what's on your weapon, and added damage is everywhere else

[fickle glen]

Mind you I looked at the wiki about this first but couldn’t get a satisfying answer

[wintry lily]

Hit based burning arrow ballista when @crisp plinth

[brazen vector]

Damage calculation:

Damage = (Base_Damage + Added_Damage) x Increased_Damage x More_Damage x Hit_Rate x (Critical_Strike_Damage x Critical_Strike_Chance)

See how its just called "base" damage?

[opaque sphinx]

smh it tried

[pulsar dune]

Where DE?

[fickle glen]

Yeah I see

[wintry lily]

grog feel dumber

[tranquil sedge]

burning arrow does not have any built-in flat damage, so all its base damage will basically come from your weapon (bow)

and the effectiveness of added damage it will apply to any extra added flat damage u give it from any source, that includes things like other gems, gear like rings, etc. etc.

[brazen vector]

Thats in added damage

[tranquil sedge]

e.g. these ring prefixes

[wintry lily]

Yet another victim of ggg's arbitrary buffing. Rather lack of.

[granite shard]

Jest ktoś może z Polski ?????

[crisp plinth]

As soon as it gets anything interesting

[tranquil sedge]

most attacks don't i think?

like its mostly spells that tend to have inbuilt flat right

[wintry lily]

Oh wait no, it got nerfed

It HAD base fire

[tranquil sedge]

and attacks mostly get it from ur weapon as base?

[fickle glen]

That tells me that skills like that deal huge damage with added damages

[wintry lily]

but only to ignited targets

[crisp plinth]

It also got compensation with higher base attack % I think

So it's better now practically

[pulsar dune]

280 is indeed quite high as far as bow skills go

[wintry lily]

It is what it is I suppose, its still burning arrow tho

[tranquil sedge]

280 is the low end of the range

goes up to 420 at lvl 20

[pulsar dune]

Damn, even better

[crisp plinth]

Well any 30% less ias gem just feels bad

[wintry lily]

It doesn't really compete with something like Scourge arrow when it comes to abusing flat dmg

[tranquil sedge]

yes, it tells you that they will benefit more from added damage than other skills with less damage effectiveness

but note - it does not automatically mean the skill will suddenly hit giga high if you give it an extra bit of flat damage

[pulsar dune]

Yea, that and it being default attack make it not great

[fickle glen]

Yeah that’s insane

[tranquil sedge]

^ this damage equation - all this 'damage effectiveness' stuff is only affecting one part of this equation

Damage = (Base_Damage + Added_Damage) x Increased_Damage x More_Damage x Hit_Rate x (Critical_Strike_Damage x Critical_Strike_Chance)

[tranquil sedge]

see my comment above this message