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[opaque sphinx]

the helm gives u lvl 30

[karmic gust]

no i mean before that

[opaque sphinx]

with that and a vixen + unlight wand u blast ur way to t16s with nothing else

[karmic gust]

as cursed ground impending was fairly normal setup

[opaque sphinx]

wym u can use it at like lvl 30

[elfin spire]

Yeah... if you have it

[opaque sphinx]

so buy it

its 2c

..?

[plush gulch]

@opaque sphinxsorry earlier, i got a bit tired arguing with everyone and if I try to be like aknowledge poe 1 problem and poe 2 problem it's like im a full poe 2 glazer against full poe 1 glazer that get tiring pretty fast even if people in front aren't mean or anything

[restive nova]

if i die here then goodbye my character ?

[plush gulch]

a bit too late for me

[opaque sphinx]

i get u man dw about it

[lean urchin]

ye

[opaque sphinx]

it sucks to feel like the minority

[restive nova]

why does this even exist wtf

[lean urchin]

risk

[opaque sphinx]

was same way when everyone was hating on the game during kalandra and i was sitting here like "u all fuckin suck the game is good"

[plush gulch]

that's like if people keep attacking poe 2 in a way i may feel is wrong im forced to defend but myself I have lot of stuff i don't like poe 2

[karmic gust]

kalandra league was boring as shit

[plush gulch]

I wasn't here in kalandra but all I hear it sounded like a cool ass league

[silent leaf]

Cause its essentially a nothing affix if your build can handle the others

[plush gulch]

like mob with crazy modifier

sounds cool

[silent leaf]

It's basically taking up an affix slot

[opaque sphinx]

im not gonna lie it wasnt an amazing league, but by the end i was just so frustrated with everyone saying the entire game is shit that i just met any criticism with "fuck u fuck off im over it" 😂

[karmic gust]

kalandra was basically just rogue exile killing simulator

[plush gulch]

I agree i feel the same even on poe 1

[silent leaf]

Frozen for eternity simulator

[plush gulch]

something bad happen, jonhatan bad, because chris left

worst company

and im like wtf

lol

[opaque sphinx]

yeh lol that league and how ppl treated chris 100% cemented in my head i will never be a game dev lmao

[plush gulch]

but we all know jonhatan is behind all bad decision and Mark all the good one right

I mean everyone KNOWS that

[karmic gust]

i think you can blame jonathan and his interviews for that one :d

[plush gulch]

😂

[plush gulch]

ziz was pretty aggro

i didn't forgot

I ended watching like wtf

also he apologized in the end

I mean ziz too

[opaque sphinx]

bruh the amount of difficulty wildwood adds is obscene the fuck

[plush gulch]

all good

[silent leaf]

Ok at LEAST only PoM is the only popular people that got nuked

[gritty epoch]

I mean guy said stuff like Poe2 melee is underappreciated

[opaque sphinx]

i can melt 7-10 invig overlapped titanic blight bosses in less than 1 sec
but if i add wildwood its literally 10x longer at least

[gritty epoch]

1 year of boat league

[silent leaf]

I still remember Dslily in kalandra

Fucking using spectral helix and just attacking the rare for god knows how long

[gritty epoch]

Unban pathofmath

[plush gulch]

btw to retalk about the totem from earlier I feel like there is a big issue in poe 1 where it's functionally broken and you would always want to use totem but they sucks and you can't do a totem build without being a squishy bosser or squishy mapper which in current poe is complicated

[silent leaf]

And didn't get shit

[plush gulch]

so i feel like that's a problem

[opaque sphinx]

yeh it definitely has issues dont get me wrong

[gritty epoch]

Totems are just shit brands /s

[opaque sphinx]

i just think the needing charges part is beyond dumb cuz it forces ur totem build to do shit thats not totems in order to do the shit it wants to do

[plush gulch]

and wanting to make endurance more impactful than you ticking a box and you have perma charge all the time and it's whatever

sounds okay

[thick goblet]

brands are just shit brands

[plush gulch]

but I think the big problem is part of the combo feels bad

like in D4 you set up the cage then you hit with a spell

it's cool

in poe not as much

you just want the pay off

[opaque sphinx]

i just dont see why u couldnt summon totems normally and then use a 2nd skill to "eat" them and give bonuses to ur totems

[plush gulch]

but setting it up is annoying

definitely a way to improve it

[opaque sphinx]

that way u can still play ur totem build as a totem build and not a "something else build and sometimes i cast totem"

[plush gulch]

it will probably have iteration in the future

[elfin spire]

I unplugged my spectre gem when was changing armor and I can't get corpse of that thing to spawn in hideout again.
Is there like restriction on amount of resurrections or some corpse's have rare spawn rate?

[gritty epoch]

Pointless to argue but restarts topic /s

[lean urchin]

arent u aware, with totem this bad selfcasting is buffed

[plush gulch]

I find it complicated the how much do you make iteration on something vs putting new content

Im happy im not jonhatan or mark

taking shit either way anyway

[plush gulch]

he asked me earlier and I responded too harshly

i wanted discuss with him properly

i was impolite

anyway im going to sleep

bye guys

[lean urchin]

why cant we shoot spells on totems, then the totem upgrades skill and yeets it to enemies

[gritty epoch]

Like firewall?

Flamewall*

[lean urchin]

cooler than firewall

firewall is just dmg, imagine projectiles, fork, etc.

[gritty epoch]

Does fireball shotgun the totems?

[opaque sphinx]

[lean urchin]

something like that ye

copper totem

[opaque sphinx]

i always love spells/combos like that

[lean urchin]

essence drain stuff

[opaque sphinx]

"charge the battery" style, build it up up up and BOOM

[elfin shale]

I wish they'd add those Totem and Brand synergies

Make Runebinder have a downside for once

[lean urchin]

allocate runebinder, conversion trap kuduku, watch the world explode

zana gonna lock me inside a pob file or something

[elfin shale]

damn aint this a T0

[thick goblet]

idk if ur memeing or not

[elfin shale]

im legit i thought it was a T0

[thick goblet]

it's a t5

[lean urchin]

its shiny tho.

[elfin shale]

fuckin really?

How've i never seen one before

[thick goblet]

cause ur filter probably hides it

[elfin shale]

rng weird as hell

[elfin shale]

i have a minor habit of hitting alt whenever i hear a unique drop

[opaque sphinx]

run some blight and u will break that habit real fast

[lean urchin]

same. just in case neversink slips in some pranks

[elfin shale]

Only cuz hitting alt will crash my game

[opaque sphinx]

exactly

[silent leaf]

Cause its modeled look as one

Bloodseeker

[normal hedge]

T0 if ure a cat

[elfin shale]

fuuuck thats the bitch

[meager ridge]

Is it possible to fracture bench crafts such as multi mod?

[lean urchin]

i remember seeing that once, idk if it changed

(poe 1)

[elfin shale]

preeetty sure its possible still

yeah looks like

[tawdry olive]

multimod is such a disappointment speedrun for newbies lmao

"wait i can have 3 benchcrafts???"

"what do you mean the mod itself counts as one wtf"

[lean urchin]

it tells you which one asks first or which one just goes for it

[amber pond]

if im just tryna get into poe 1 whats a build that can comfortably play that is easy to make work?

[thick goblet]

!guides

[covert swan]

A short list of places to find builds for new players:

Maxroll.GG's leaguestarter buildguide section has high quality build guides

If you are more into video guides, a playlist by the youtuber Zizaran, he also has a bunch of other video guides for new players.

A collection of minion build guides created/ curated by GhazzyTV

You can also always find popular builds on the Builds section of Poe.ninja, but those aren't really guides, just snapshots of live player builds without any explanation for what makes them good or not good.

[tawdry olive]

the default answer is pohx.net purely because he has an answer to any question you might ever have if you read

[silent leaf]

Ask first btw which guides on maxroll

Cause there's bait

[stuck phoenix]

Wdym it costs two divine!?!? 😭

[tawdry olive]

"wtf are divines?"

[silent leaf]

Should've played a better build

[stuck phoenix]

...

[silent leaf]

That don't need crafting

[amber pond]

ty

[tawdry olive]

youtube algo just feeding me my echo chamber material

i dont even know who any of these people are

[silent leaf]

"far from over"

1 MONTH POE1
3 MONTHS POE2

[stuck phoenix]

I saw a YouTube video in my feed called something like poe1 golden age over poe2 now

[silent leaf]

I mean yea it's not wrong

[stuck phoenix]

I don't watch poe YouTube so I didn't watch it

[silent leaf]

PoE1 is getting shafted

[stuck phoenix]

Eh

[silent leaf]

If they don't make 1 month 3 month then I would change my mind

But from the looks of things it's very fucking grim

I just pray 3.28 won't have any game breaking bugs like using aelith's powers = goodbye instance

[hard cliff]

it's time to add pinball league

@silent leaf
you wanna blast some maps in ten?

[silent leaf]

No I just got out of the gym

And my body is fucking feeling like hell after getting those pepper spray that helps with muscle cramps

Since my entire torso + it's leg day

[tawdry olive]

bro tryna be a str stacker

get some regen to help with the recovery

[silent leaf]

My neck is the pain point rn

Sprayed too much and it's fucking inferno

[pseudo axle]

I wish we didn't have the crappy tower-defense style breach.

[silent leaf]

But yea kinda wish we got more

Ah that word is banned

Got deleted immediately

[pseudo axle]

I think if we had an Uul and Xoph encounter it'd have been better

[tawdry olive]

all they need to do is make the atlas have an option to turn it off, and another option to have multiple hand breaches at the same time, and its fixed

(all they need to do is bring back old breach)

[hard cliff]

LET'S GOOOOOO

[silent leaf]

I'm in pain

[hard cliff]

drink milk

make you strong

I need to hit the gym hard tomorrow

I just got back from work and ate a hamburger

now it's gaming time

[silent leaf]

Alrd drank protein powder

[hard cliff]

LET'S GOOOOOO

how much do you bench?

[silent leaf]

Rn 50kgs

[hard cliff]

not much but better than nothing

you got this

[earnest raven]

I skipped gym these past 2 weeks and ate more fiber. I bench 2 plates a side now

[silent leaf]

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/1LsIQr_4iSY

[tawny aurora]

why?

[lean urchin]

ever played minecraft? sometimes the caves does this

[stuck phoenix]

Gotta get enough time for midroll ads

[tawny aurora]

i could just go trough there

gotta get the steps in , i guess

[hard cliff]

@tawny aurora

you got this

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-goku-goku-angry-locked-in-dragon-ball-gif-7180579013206183425

[finite quail]

no thats very common

[finite quail]

cause delve is ass

[spice pecan]

damn, ggg stole your idea

[fickle glen]

This dude is a flat earther

[tawny aurora]

say that to JohnnyDepth

[fickle glen]

Hey anyone knows if Acrobatics is affected by “lucky chance to suppress spell damage”?

[spice pecan]

you arent suppressing spell damage, you're dodging

so lucky suppress shouldnt do anything

but also acrobatics is one of the worst keystones in the game rn

[fickle glen]

It’s working great for me

[spice pecan]

i think the steep cost of having to get 150% suppress, and the 25% chance to just get insta nuked by a spell feels bad to most ppl

[hard cliff]

Envoy is my fav npc

I love him just showing up and lore dumping in random ass map

[fickle glen]

Temporarily until I get more hp to feel comfortable tanking

[solar smelt]

So I guess iron will doesn't work on kinetic rain because it's not a spell...

[hard cliff]

you would prob be correct

but who knows

[solar smelt]

It doesn't

But it's clearly a spell, just not listed as one ugh

[undone gazelle]

at 150% suppress, lucky suppress mastery is redundant and would be changed to +3% suppress or just no mastery, You converted your 150% suppress to spell dodge so its already useless

[solar smelt]

Well at least iron grip works

[hard cliff]

jingle bells your butt smells

[fickle glen]

Got it ty

[solar smelt]

Now I'm wondering if the real true way to increase my dmg would have been to focus more on increasing projectile dmg

[fickle glen]

How much physical damage reduction would I get out of this evasion if I use iron reflexes?

[thick goblet]

good job increasing your life, another 1.5k to go

[fickle glen]

The life advice have been the best I appreciate you all

[finite quail]

no idea

spec into it and find out for yourself

[proud gorge]

man, LC is strong as fuck

this skill is wild

[finite quail]

LC?

[undone gazelle]

i feel like increasing life would be better than converting all of evasion to armour, converting it all would give you around 43k armour

[proud gorge]

Lightning Conduit

[finite quail]

lightning conduit?

I dont like conduit

I prefer lightning conduit of the heavens

[undone gazelle]

you made the build?

[finite quail]

much more fun

[pulsar dune]

LCoH is limited by number of targets tho

[proud gorge]

Lightning Conduit of the Heavens is a super basic skill, and there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's just a hit-based lightning spell skill, so it has no synergies beyond just that of any hit-based lightning spell skill

I played it on Surfcaster back in Phrecia, and it's nice as just, like, a generically good lightning skill that you don't really need to aim

but it's pretty replacable with literally any other lightning spell skill

[pulsar dune]

Ye, ppl run it with mjolner archmage.

[spice pecan]

regular LC is a 2 button build, and a relatively annoying one at that

[fickle glen]

I will, I might go for iron reflexes tho and combine it with spell suppression to tank those physical spells that I had the main issues with

[proud gorge]

regular Lightning Conduit, on the other hand, just does insane amounts of damage

it's such a ridiculously strong scaling skill alongside Shock Effect Stacking

[undone gazelle]

you could pseudo 1 button lc with lighting warp, but i forgot how it works

[hard cliff]

read this as Legion Commander I've been watching too many dota videos

She is annoying

[pulsar dune]

The shocked ground graft should work as well, but it's not very consistent outside of bossing

[proud gorge]

I'm only using the much lower 65% shock effect, but that already gives it a ridiculous 312% More Damage multiplier (alongside the 65% increased damage taken from Shock)

[spice pecan]

the amount of times i've had LC players try and play "jungle" in a game that doesn't have a jungler is way too fuckin high

[pulsar dune]

Jungle is viable-ish

[proud gorge]

but we postulated a very silly Voltaxic chaos LC build yesterday

[pulsar dune]

Probably not on LC

[finite quail]

wdym

[spice pecan]

jungling at level 1 in dota is actual griefing

[finite quail]

you have like 20 targets or something

[proud gorge]

which uses Voltaxic's 40% increased maximum shock effect mod

to get 105% maximum shock effect

[undone gazelle]

would the glowing silhouette one works better on bosses?

[finite quail]

i mean... okay

But isnt that like

A lot of investment to get there

for not much reward

[proud gorge]

for a ridiculous 504% more damage multiplier

[finite quail]

I mean, shock is just one out of many multipliers

[pulsar dune]

16, that's like, half a pack

[proud gorge]

alongside the 105% shock effect

[finite quail]

I don't see what the issue is really

With regular lc you have to shock them first anyways

[proud gorge]

it's not actually that much investment, with Elementalist

[pulsar dune]

Yea, but there are plenty of ways to shock a whole pack

[undone gazelle]

shock spread implicit is almost a need early game with lc

[proud gorge]

Elementalist gives you 25% base shock effect off literally any hit, so hitting 105% shock effect only requires like 320% increased shock effect, which is pretty achievable

nah, LC just uses Orb of Storms

with Chain

thus shocking every nearby enemy every time you cast a lightning skill near it

[hard cliff]

Is of the heavens not worth?

[pulsar dune]

It's fine, just a basic hit lightning spell

[proud gorge]

Orb of Storms has pretty much perfect synergy with Lightning Conduit, since every time you cast LC to consume the shock and deal damage, the Orb of Storms shocks all the enemies again

[pulsar dune]

Yea, it's the only reason LC is playable

[finite quail]

Its very fun

easy way to offscreen enemies

Fucks hard when you convert it to cold

[proud gorge]

LCotH is a fine skill, but it's just Arc but without chaining synergy

[undone gazelle]

ohh yeah forgot chain, i ran lc soul eater last league need to run temp chain + orb

[proud gorge]

it's just a completely average lightning hit skill, and there's nothing wrong with that, there's plenty of builds that socket literally any lightning hit skill

[hard cliff]

I'll never get the dopamine rush that arc eblade gave me

[proud gorge]

but like, it having no particular standout traits means that it's just "any lightning hit skill"

[hard cliff]

again

What's that one spell

[spice pecan]

siphoning trap

[hard cliff]

looks cool af but supposed to be horrible to play

[spice pecan]

uhh

voltaxic burst?

[proud gorge]

Divine Ire?

[spice pecan]

stormbind?

[hard cliff]

Absolution

[spice pecan]

absolution is fine wym

you just really need spell cascade overlaps if you are playing it as a hit skill

if playing it for minions then you dont

[pulsar dune]

The main pain I ran into with absolution is having to spam it to spawn the guys

[hard cliff]

I just saw some crazy YouTube guy make a video on it and said it's not worth

[spice pecan]

i mean yeah it's best used as a minion skill

but you technically can play it as a hit skill if you have overlaps + woke cascade

[hard cliff]

https://youtu.be/dIWua84cFl4

maybe this was it

[spice pecan]

probably, storm call also desperately needs overlaps with woke cascade

but you don't have to do reduced duration stacking on absolution which is a huge plus

[proud gorge]

oh man, this has reminded me of one of the most "interesting conceptually but absolute garbage to actually use" spells

Charged Dash

[hard cliff]

yeah I wanna play it but I'm not playing a league starter that needs a woke gem lol

[proud gorge]

Charged Dash is such a wild skill

[hard cliff]

ruthless skill that got lost

[spice pecan]

i mean you can technically make it work with regular cascade

[proud gorge]

it's so completely worthless for everything lmao

[spice pecan]

but like

at that point just play cold snap of power

[proud gorge]

they should just give Charged Dash the Cyclone treatment

rework it to just deal damage around you while you move by holding down the button

maybe leaving a trail of clones

but yeah, going back to my point here, Lightning Conduit is great, does busted levels of damage on very low investment

only real "downside" is having to drop Orb of Storms

but there's ways around that

[umbral crag]

how is it ggg still can't fucking attempt to fix any bugs this league is wild.

[proud gorge]

trigger wand, Kitava's Thirst helmet, any sort of triggered casting of Orb of Storms

in my case though I'm fine with manually dropping it every once in a while

especially since I'm stacking ridiculous amounts of AoE

so a single Orb of Storms covers an enormous amount of ground

[opaque sphinx]

frfr

anyboody wan sum dune

[proud gorge]

man, I just realized that this build is also running like 160 div worth of FFs

every time I look at this build it gets more wack

[opaque sphinx]

just get gooder

[proud gorge]

mirror perfect triple synth ring, expensive FFs, but also like, a random ground loot body armour?

unqualitied life flask

no alt-quality implicits on their wands

[spice pecan]

what is this mythical build

[proud gorge]

perfect double corrupt Replica Heatshiver but also 21% quality on their evasion/es stacking chest

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Krazzed324-5539/Krazzed_Shocking

it's a build that is simultaneously ridiculously funded but also incredibly sloppy and budget

and its passive tree is wack

[spice pecan]

this is certainly a build

[proud gorge]

I'm building a "less sloppy" version, and yet despite that I'm probably still going to end up with half the damage because I don't have that mirror triple synth ring

[opaque sphinx]

just use foul ramira

[proud gorge]

funny, but also this build gets like fully half of its Uber DPS from the double Synaptic Ring bloodline mod

also funnily enough this is one of the few builds where Foulborn Mageblood is genuinely an important upgrade lmao

since it gives you the 4 Foulborns for the +2 level of lightning skill gems

[opaque sphinx]

... thats cool i didn't want loot anyway

[spice pecan]

2 portals r0fl

[opaque sphinx]

waht the fuck dude

[spice pecan]

lmfao

[opaque sphinx]

fortress sucks

also fun fact

invigorated titanic blight bosses with more life + endu charges + enfeeble

can in fact tank a 1b dps build for like 15 secs

[bleak fable]

why is my CWS not triggering?

i dont have brine king

[opaque sphinx]

do u have mana

[spice pecan]

do you have energy shield at all

[bleak fable]

zero energy shield

[opaque sphinx]

pob

[bleak fable]

https://pobb.in/mCffzLd2wP7k

[opaque sphinx]

u have unwavering stance sir

[spice pecan]

lmao

[opaque sphinx]

unless thats getting converted

[silent leaf]

[spice pecan]

it is not being converted

[tawdry olive]

ayy lmao

[bleak fable]

bless bro

thanks kings

[fickle glen]

How do you get those jewels with the circles? I am lvl82 and have not seen any yet

[spice pecan]

some unique jewels have a radius on them

the fancier looking circles are specifically timeless jewels, but other unique jewels with a radius have the blue circle, or two in the case of thread of hope

this is one i'm using rn

my aurabot had many circles, the one on the left is thread of hope

and the blue circle inside of the white timeless one is from an impossible escape jewel

[ocean field]

what are the ways to get block on trickster if u have rakiata dance

[spice pecan]

uh, you aren't blocking with a 2h sword

[ocean field]

oh

[barren river]

just tank

trickster is giga tank

[ocean field]

This enough

[steady otter]

Just kill them before getting touched

[ocean field]

yeah with rakiata and inverse resistances it should be possible

[barren river]

you can also tank

[steady otter]

Yeah it's called 6 portals tanking

[ocean field]

I guess

[opaque sphinx]

i need a new map strat

smth with tanky mobs that i dont need to ramp or herd

blight is ass

[steady otter]

I was about to say blight

[opaque sphinx]

too much bs to go along with blight

[spice pecan]

uhh, you could do the strat where you put a shit ton of div cards on the map boss

[steady otter]

That too

[ocean field]

for quanitity other than sacfrice of dawn, dusk for 5% etc and mortal fragments for 10% is there anything else that gives more

[spice pecan]

dont think there is, for just straight up quant

besides risk scarab

[ocean field]

btw all azteri fragments is 5% right

and all mortal fragmnets are 10

right?

[spice pecan]

normal atziri frags are 5, ubers are 10 yes

[ocean field]

oh

I didn't know mortal fragments were uber azteri

[spice pecan]

they are

[ocean field]

good to know

[spice pecan]

oh thats funny

i don't think we have literally any incentive at all to kill atziri or uber atziri this league

since she got booted from feared and there's no challenge for her it looks like

she's been powercrept way too hard

[opaque sphinx]

need to freeze bosses so i can kill regular mobs so pc doesnt freeze
need to herd the bosses to most overlaps without killing them
need to not die while doing this
cant die at all while setting it up or u lose petals (u will if bosses arent perma frozen, which they wont be cuz theres too many in one lane for one tower)
cant build too many freeze towers or u cant afford enough invigs
some maps/lanes/layouts are just ass and unusable
proxy shields are whack dude

yes im bitter

ive ran like 50-100 maps of this strat and all i can say is i hate invigoration so fucking much

just let me juice the bosses from the start that strong instead

[spice pecan]

nvm there's exactly one reason to do uber atziri, and zero for normal

[opaque sphinx]

pilfering right?

[spice pecan]

i believe thats the one yeah

i know you can create literally undamageable entities with it

[opaque sphinx]

do u do this with containment still

ah shit

[spice pecan]

i don't remember, possibly

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, it's done with containment

Can't get enough divination boxes otherwise

[spice pecan]

div boxes are so fucking rare though

like 95% of boxes i ever did in t17s were just normal ass boxes

[pulsar dune]

I had like 2-4 a map, yeah

[spice pecan]

i had one every like, ten

[opaque sphinx]

this is using like engine orbs too

isnt it

[spice pecan]

uhhhhh

maybe?

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, you roll the div boxes

And exalt them ideally

[opaque sphinx]

is it trolling to not

[spice pecan]

i just remember seeing empy do it and managing to create a boss that literally couldn't be damaged lmao

i guess you could run vaaled boxes instead

but idk if it's significantly worse

[pulsar dune]

Kinda yeah, the mods on the div boxes matter a lot

[opaque sphinx]

idk what to farm

[pulsar dune]

Otherwise you may as well just run normal containment

And take arcanist box chance on tree

[opaque sphinx]

maybe feared i guess

[spice pecan]

are you not bored of sirus yet

[opaque sphinx]

i dont mind doing it for feared cuz its broken up with other shit

[spice pecan]

true

[opaque sphinx]

i think idk maybe i will be mad after 2 runs

do i just do regular containment

[spice pecan]

if you want to be permanently angry yes

[opaque sphinx]

wait why

do u roll them too now or smth

[spice pecan]

you drop your 50th attribute changing jewel and you start to question who would be stupid enough to do containment

at least that was my experience

[opaque sphinx]

[spice pecan]

i personally just fucking hate boxes

[opaque sphinx]

but its fast

harbi i stand in place for 10 mins

blight whack

[spice pecan]

i mean you could do some 100 deli type shit

[opaque sphinx]

meatsacks apparently bad unless u do the one specific strat where they are good 1/5 maps

[pulsar dune]

T17 boss rush?

[opaque sphinx]

100 deli just feels bait i have never seen a loot increase

[proud gorge]

oh hey my FF sold lmao

[crisp plinth]

man i need an idea for a pivot into another build AW is kinda annoying and chains of command didnt work well in ssf

[spice pecan]

t17 boss rush shirley has to be too wasteful, no?

[spice pecan]

ranged AW?

[opaque sphinx]

i think with price of frags its not even worth it

all are like 30c or less besides maven/eater

[pulsar dune]

I haven't looked at league economy in like a month

I mean, maven/eater are pretty consistent

[pulsar dune]

I think

IG if über frags are cheap may as well just do Ubers

[crisp plinth]

yeah doing that atm but i want more speed/less buttons ideally

[thick goblet]

hroc

[crisp plinth]

hard to get cdr in ssf

[opaque sphinx]

thats what i was doing

[spice pecan]

isn't ranged AW a one-button build with just a janky gem swap for pinnacles

[opaque sphinx]

i ran 300 uber lonely guy, over 100 uber sirus

[pulsar dune]

IG ssf ashes is giga cope huh

[thick goblet]

you can do intersting stuff with foulborn united in dreams and foulborn vis mortis

[opaque sphinx]

eater/exarch as uber just make me mad cuz they are worse than normal versions

which is stupid

[crisp plinth]

sure if i had foulborn uid itd be dope

[pulsar dune]

Yea that's pretty dumb.

[crisp plinth]

and no its quite a few buttons for me

[proud gorge]

Containment is great what do you mean

I make so much per run, and it's super peaceful

since all the enemies are in boxes

[crisp plinth]

maybe i get lucky with breach unique rings tho got 2 more fights and just need 1 more then i could do some herald memes

[opaque sphinx]

exiles is for rarity farming only right

[spice pecan]

i would get like 1 in 5 maps would drop 2-4d or 2 puzzle boxes

and the other 4 out of those 5 dropped legit nothing

[proud gorge]

what maps are you running?

[spice pecan]

i was running t17 fortress in 3.26

did a few other t17 layouts in there too

[opaque sphinx]

feared should drop uber maven frags if u kill all bosses as uber to witness it

[proud gorge]

I was running 140+ currency + scarab 16.5s, fully rolled and 30 quality, but I was only really hitting every other run, though I did hit decently. But then I swapped to running 160+ currency + scarab Fortresses, and even at 0% quality I'm hitting big on average every map

sometimes multiple times a map

it helps that my build can run No Regen, so I get a lot of cheap highly-rolled 8-mod Fortresses

[opaque sphinx]

XDDDD

[spice pecan]

lmao

no one wants garb of the ephemeral anymore

[pulsar dune]

Damn, time to level lmao

[opaque sphinx]

wait yeah maybe i just spam uber cortex

400 nebulis

huh echo of rev is like same price as uber now

160c vs 125

why even run uber

[opaque sphinx]

thanks past me

[spice pecan]

[opaque sphinx]

we skip it this time

[barren river]

[opaque sphinx]

i

fucking

didnt click maven for reverence

[spice pecan]

[proud gorge]

man, the most annoying thing about the new Breach is that they replaced the Breachlord invitation with the Memory invitation

[opaque sphinx]

[proud gorge]

and it's super annoying to actually get

since you have to run three full memory threads

and hope they happen to be the right ones

[crisp plinth]

united in dreams soon surely

[spice pecan]

are you collecting every foulborn

[crisp plinth]

until i run out of space and toss the duds i guess

kinda funny i got 3 12% int claws and one 12/12

[spice pecan]

no megabald tho smh my head

[crisp plinth]

all i want is united in dreams with quality mod

[thick goblet]

i got mine from hive boss

[crisp plinth]

neat

got 3 more so i just need to pull it right 😄

[barren river]

Funny story: i thought that the +500 to Accuracy Rating/-2 Accuracy Rating per level will 0 out at 100

[spice pecan]

[proud gorge]

You know, it just occurred to me that Elementalist not only makes gearing for LC way easier, it also gives you really convenient QoL for clearing regular mobs lmao

since it makes your Frostblink of Wintry Blast shock

so for regular mapping you can just blink around and then kill with LC

[opaque sphinx]

yes

[proud gorge]

and save the Orb of Storms for targets that take more than one LC to kill

very convenient

[opaque sphinx]

ele is BiS for LC

manaman bait

[proud gorge]

especially since I'm going to be getting buttloads of AoE

so my Frostblink should be a very convenient "clear" skill

[visual stream]

i would rather use lightning warp than frostblink tho

[spice pecan]

yeah but then you have to do reduced duration stacking

which is annoying and anti-qol

[visual stream]

just put less dur support on it

its fine for me imo

tho i still have a bit of struggle using Oos since few boss keep teleport around

[pulsar dune]

Could you fit BFoT into the LC build for clear?

[visual stream]

BFoT ? what is it

[proud gorge]

the solution is just to get a ridiculous amount of AoE

my build runs double Foulborn Void Battery

[visual stream]

joke on u im using storm brand

[proud gorge]

plus eventually the Occultist node for even more AoE per power charge

Bladefall of Trarthus maybe?

[visual stream]

oh u doing charge stack stuff

[pulsar dune]

Bladefall of trarthus

[visual stream]

i hadnt test that one

probarly will try it out latter

[proud gorge]

yeah, I'm basing it on this one build I found on PoE, the exactly one person running power charge stacking shock stacking LC

it's kind of a sloppy build, but it's also weirdly ridiculously well funded

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Krazzed324-5539/Krazzed_Shocking

[visual stream]

im not really a fan of charge stacking im using ages and go ES block stuff

[proud gorge]

good damage, but its gearing is all over the place and its passive tree is wack

[visual stream]

its more tanky i dont really enjoy being a wet paper agains stuff

[proud gorge]

I mean fair enough yeah

this build should end up okay amounts of tanky, since we reworked the above build to remove EB

since turns out EB wasn't at all necessary and was lowering the max hit a lot

the thing is, I've already got an omegatanky build and a decently tanky high damage build this league

so I wanted to go a bit out of my comfort zone and deliberately build a very high damage build for once

[visual stream]

i mean i would do that but incase of LC the Oos aoe pretty small and try getting more is abit of pressure on other stuff in my case

so i just use storm brand most of the times

[proud gorge]

and it's honestly not even that squishy, the modified version is rocking like 7k phys max hit, which is very low for my typical preference but decent for the amount of damage its dealing

[visual stream]

yah LC scale quite insane

when they said adding living ligtning i thingking maybe i dont have to use Oos anymore but then the stat of those thing is straigh up garbage

[proud gorge]

but yeah, with some extremely minor changes I've managed to adjust that linked build from 100m dps 31k ehp 4k phys max hit to 126m DPS 41k eHP 7k phys max hit

though again, my version of the build is probably going to do a decent amount less damage

due to my not having that particular triple synth mirror ring

[undone gazelle]

show pob?

[visual stream]

my build hadnt even hit that much dps tbh

[crisp plinth]

no united in dreams still no sundered will and will of tul game is blueballing

[proud gorge]

here's the modified version:
https://pobb.in/1Xx6Y6gT3p5Q

oh wait I forgot to socket Stone Golem of Safeguarding

well PoB doesn't show that anyways

but suffice to say that improves the max hit a lot

[visual stream]

its only agains melee hit tho

most boss dont even have that move

[proud gorge]

yeah, but those are pretty significant

[undone gazelle]

do you still need pcoc on fbowb?

[proud gorge]

especially in high level mapping

eg Strongboxes

[visual stream]

fair

[proud gorge]

you don't, that's probably what I'd drop for the Stone Golem of Safeguarding

I assume it's just there to mildly improve power charge uptime

when moving between packs

but it's very droppable

but yeah, my version will probably not have that ring

lmao

[deep crater]

Hello

[proud gorge]

heyo

[deep crater]

Just like to ask. I just did my aspirant trial and I'm at the divine font

What would happen if I don't use the font now

[spice pecan]

you would have to run lab again to get it

[deep crater]

Ah

[spice pecan]

same with if you forget to click the altar of ascendancy

[proud gorge]

Divine Font is just a reward for completing the lab

same as the strongboxes in the reward room

[undone gazelle]

you could possibly drop some dps, re anoint ammy for ash frost and storm, opens up the right jewel socket for something

[deep crater]

So the gem will be randomized right

[spice pecan]

yes

[deep crater]

Ah

[proud gorge]

what does Ash Frost and Storm do though? I considered pathing over to the power charge and jewel socket, since it's only 4 points, but it seemed that every other annoit it just worse than those 4 points

the build is already hitting max (65%) shock effect without Ash Frost and Storm

and doesn't need the shock chance

oh wait you dropped the 20% from Elemental Focus notable

[visual stream]

i only annoint ash frost and storm when doing boss tho

mapping is kinda what ever

[proud gorge]

I mean, this build doesn't need that much effort to hit max shock chance

and the +1 max power charge annoit is incredibly good

[visual stream]

yeah but boss have reduce damaged on them so u cant hit cap 65 everytimes

[proud gorge]

it is also just straight up the furthest away notable that the build wants

you can yeah

[visual stream]

oh yeah i forgot if u have huge chunk of dps its not matter

[proud gorge]

Shaper of Storms gives a guarenteed base 25% shock, so you only need 160% increased shock effect to get a guarenteed 65% shock

on any hit

Orb of Storms deals like no damage so you plan for base shock effect

it's nothing to do with the DPS, since LC can't shock anyways

[deep crater]

Last few questions. So I can put in any random blue color gem and hope to get a gem I can use .

[proud gorge]

any blue skill gem yeah

it'll give you a choice of three random transfigured gems

[deep crater]

Ar

[proud gorge]

btw for future lab reasons I recommend keeping one or two Frostblink gems in your stash

[deep crater]

So I might be able to get summoning skill gem

[proud gorge]

one of the Divine Font results you could randomly get at Lab3 or higher is "turn a gem into a random transfigured version of itself"

and Frostblink only has one possible transfigured version, Frostblink of Wintry Blast, which sells for a decent amount

there's better theoretical hits, but everything more expensive than Frostblink has two versions

so you'd be at the whims of rng

[proud gorge]

but yeah, in case you weren't aware, shock effect scales the 25% base shock effect from Elementalist, so you can get guarenteed big shocks on any hit

and on an LC build you should definitely get it up to your max shock effect on every hit

[proud gorge]

hmm, okay so by dropping a few nodes, I was able to grab a few extra life nodes on the tree

[ocean field]

HOW TF does one even achieve this

[proud gorge]

bringing the phys max hit all the way up to 7.6k, at the cost of dropping the DPS down to 114m

[spice pecan]

its a bugged item that has existed in standard for years now

[proud gorge]

you don't, that's genuinely a glitch

[split maple]

Very simple, you pay the mirror fee you get it

[spice pecan]

it's extremely hard to mirror it unless you go to j*nebu and mirror the worse one

[ocean field]

oh so one guy has the original

damm

[spice pecan]

there's technically two

the better one, and the j*nebu one

[ocean field]

oh

who has the better one

and what even is the better one

[thick goblet]

bugged item that dropped years ago that the owner kept hidden for years till empy did an end league project using it, and they crafted it up

[ocean field]

oh

[spice pecan]

the owner apparently bought the original for like ten ex

[ocean field]

damm

[spice pecan]

the one not owned by jenebu

[ocean field]

I am suprised it is not patched

[spice pecan]

people keep saying it will get patched/deleted, but it's been known for years now

[thick goblet]

yeah normally ggg fixes them but ig it was already so old by the time they found out about it that they didn't care

[tight plinth]

its in standard anyways

[ebon tendon]

surely deleted next patch

[thick goblet]

also it was generated by accident, not manufactured by an exploit so that probably also helped its case

[proud gorge]

there we go, 8k phys max hit, 13k chaos max hit

114m dps

[thick goblet]

pbod gaming?

[proud gorge]

nah, Lightning Conduit

[thick goblet]

holy

pc stacking or what

[proud gorge]

yeah

[spice pecan]

standard players seem somewhat divided over that chest

some ppl think it hard restricts what builds are good or aspirational or w/e

[proud gorge]

I found exactly one guy playing Foulborn Void Battery LC on ladder, wearing a mirrored triple synth ring, but also with a wack ass passive tree

the build is incredibly well funded but incredibly sloppy

so I've been sort of adjusting it

the original build was 100m DPS, 4k phys max hit

so with some relatively minor passive tree adjustments I've doubled its max hit while also improving its DPS

I was at one point able to get it up to 126m dps, but with only 7k max hit

well, 6.9k

and I don't really think the extremely minor difference between 126m dps and 114m dps is worth the max hit penalty lmao

[smoky nymph]

just about to start poe anything ti know

[proud gorge]

I highly suggest using a build guide, preferably one that's designed for new players. PoE can be intimidating to start, because it sort of throws a lot of systems at you at once, so working with a beginner-friendly build guide can help a lot to ease you into those systems and teach you the lefts and rights of the game.

If there's one thing PoE would benefit from, it's a more in-depth new player tutorial or something

honestly, that could be a fun idea, a sort of "tutorial" mode that suggests passive tree selections and skill links, that adjusts based on your class and what skill you're playing

so if you have Fireball socketed, it'd guide you towards the fire spell damage nodes

or if you have Raise Zombie socketed, it'd guide you towards the minion nodes

[spice pecan]

the campaign is the tutorial, if you finish it, ggg owns your soul

[proud gorge]

maybe make a variant that sort of guides you into a super simple "build guide" for each of the skill gems you get upon entering Act 1

since most of them are perfectly solid skills

with, like, minor variants for later skills that fall under a similar archetype but would need minor skill tree swaps

[tight plinth]

my advice, play the game, get stuck and come back here to know why youre stuck

[proud gorge]

If you want to go without a build guide, here's my other piece of advice

PoE is a game that rewards specialization, and investment. As a result, typically what you want to do is pick some damaging skill, and then invest fully into that one skill.

With any other skills you pick up existing primarily as support for the "main skill"

same with the passive tree, you want to pick passives that invest into that particular skill, whatever it happens to be

The mistake I most often see with new players getting into the game is trying to socket and use like 6 different main skills at once

the most common version of this tends to be a player picking Witch, and then running with both a main spell skill and also zombies

that'll be alright early on, but very quickly whichever is less invested in will fall off in terms of effectiveness, and if trying to invest into both you'll usually just end up with neither being particularly effective

[spice pecan]

gonna overload the poor guy

[opaque sphinx]

read gem

gem make sense

use gem

300 life per act
30 res by act 4
60 res by act 7
use grace or determ
click stuff that do dmg

enjoy poe

the fuck happened here

[undone gazelle]

someone undercutting the price? check the competing prices?

[opaque sphinx]

11-17

the whole market on them just crashed

[umbral crag]

Wait what

Sadge

[opaque sphinx]

granted thats not a lot of stock

but still

wtf

i never even found out what fuckin strat used this + pandemonium

[spice pecan]

<@&174997701513969665>

[opaque sphinx]

<@&174997701513969665>

ah dman

sorry

[proud gorge]

isn't it just map farming

guardian map farming, that is

[opaque sphinx]

is it?

[umbral crag]

Did pandemonium crash too?

[opaque sphinx]

how is that even profitable guardian maps are like 5c-ooooooooooooh

[proud gorge]

that's what they were used for in previous leagues yeah, and T17 farming

[opaque sphinx]

i see why

pandem 50c

[umbral crag]

Ded

[gentle chasm]

[umbral crag]

Guess i shoukd just give up farming and quit the league

[opaque sphinx]

ty bo7

[opaque sphinx]

but there's still so many upgrades to do

[umbral crag]

Thats such a massive drop in scarab farming profitability tho

[proud gorge]

I mean, farm something other than scarabs then?

[opaque sphinx]

thats all that drops moni

[umbral crag]

Week by week the league dying more and more than ever

[proud gorge]

most of my money from Containment farming has just been raw currency and div cards that drop raw currency

also valdos

though the scarabs are nice to get sometimes yeah

[opaque sphinx]

my entire league is held up by containments,awakenings, invigs, catalyzing and pandem + terrors

[umbral crag]

Are you not using the invigs yourself? Or u doing only harby beyond haha

[opaque sphinx]

i was but blight has pissed me off so much lately

[proud gorge]

but like, you could follow the cash if you wanted. If terrors and pandemonium are down, it means guardian maps are down. If guardian maps are down, it could mean guardian boss rushing is profit.

[umbral crag]

Same

I've faced that stupid ore bug and ggg refuse to comment anytjing about it

Including all the other bugs that this league is plagued by

[proud gorge]

if guardian fragments are down, it could mean bossing is profit, and I know Uber Shaper is profit

it's just also entirely held up by a single drop

[opaque sphinx]

even without the bugs lmao i went on a mini rant earlier

[umbral crag]

Hmm? You doing boss lane?

[opaque sphinx]

yeh titanic

[umbral crag]

Ah

I doing bloodline

[opaque sphinx]

i felt like my pc would just crash tryna do it

[umbral crag]

Hate it when it happens and waste 2d + 10min of my time

Actual cancer

[opaque sphinx]

frfr

[ocean field]

spellblade does not work with ephermal edge right?

[opaque sphinx]

titanics are at least slightly cheaper but i waste more time than money cuz of all the stupid ass setup and managing overlaps

[umbral crag]

And ggg being silent and not doing anything about a single bug this league

[opaque sphinx]

too busy making poe2 affliction league

[umbral crag]

Not gonna lie the lack of respect from ggg to players this season for poe1 really killed a lot of the game for me

[umbral crag]

Doesnt work no

[opaque sphinx]

i still love the game but im getting more and more salty about it lol, the teasers for poe2 3 weeks into poe1 league absolutely floored me

was like they finally gave us a league again and then immediately went "but haha look at the real game instead"

[spice pecan]

i mean it's really stupid to not release anything during the holidays

so i get it from a financial perspective

but yeah, feels real fuckin bad for us

[opaque sphinx]

then do a poe1 league

event

if u kill off half the hype of ur own league by teasing ur other game its like what

[ocean field]

league would have been lowkey better if they kept the mercs after slightly nerfing them

[proud gorge]

I just realized, we're the D2 players complaining about D3 lmao

[ocean field]

at least we could experiment with different stuff

[spice pecan]

at least d3 didn't kill d2

or attempt to

[opaque sphinx]

ish, dif situation tho as d2 was never promised equal attention or to be ran alongside d3

[proud gorge]

yeah

[tranquil sedge]

bro poe2 is at what like 25-30 hotfixes rn

which is fucking wild

[spice pecan]

close to 20 and they've had FOUR letter patches

fucking FOUR

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[opaque sphinx]

right? they have more patches in week 4? of their fuckin league than we do in the entirely of ours

[spice pecan]

hotfix 26???

wtf?

[tranquil sedge]

[tight plinth]

i mean, do you count that as a good thing?

[spice pecan]

hotfix 13 was the fucking incident

[tight plinth]

their game is more broken that ours

[tranquil sedge]

it means they're still caring about the state of the game

needing 30 hotfixes is a different issue yes

[proud gorge]

just noting that this is the situation where the 2 entry of a game gets mainstream success, so a lot of people know the game only through the mainstream sequel, meanwhile a lot of people are still playing the original and consider it way better

[tranquil sedge]

but at least they're getting them

[proud gorge]

except in this case the games are sort of being co-developed

[opaque sphinx]

we still have broken shit too, theirs is just getting fixed lol

[proud gorge]

and the company keeps trying to shuffle people into 2

[spice pecan]

the funny thing is is that they still haven't re-enabled merit of service in poo2

[tranquil sedge]

^ like would it it have killed them to throw a few pity un-nerfs/buffs back into 3.27 when the playercount was tanking

just to try and salvage it a bit?

[spice pecan]

but they deliberately fixed the bug with the item

[tranquil sedge]

nah can't have developer effort not going towards fixing poe2 instead

[proud gorge]

most such examples of a game with a dedicated fanbase getting a sequel that gets mainstream success are at least cases of a franchise revival after a long time

like Baldur's Gate 3

or Diablo 3

this is, uh, not that

[opaque sphinx]

poe didnt need a revival tho it wasnt dying or even on the decline

it was still king of the castle

[tranquil sedge]

those examples you gave didn't try to actively split the fanbase, promise on development timelines they couldn't deliver on, and didn't have game directors who literally say they dislike one of the two games they're working on

[proud gorge]

that's what I'm saying yeah

those are cases where a game that ended development like a decade or more prior got a franchise revival

[spice pecan]

nah dont lock their gear lol

just make it so they cant have negative resistance

[tranquil sedge]

there were a lot of issues to mercs not just doryanis

[ocean field]

yeah smt, releasing on of the boring league built on a previous mechanic after possibly one of the best league mechanics in the game's history is lowkey reason for the falloff imo

[tranquil sedge]

i imagine he means their resist would be game-capped not stop using the gear

like u can wear all the negative res u like, you still are capped at -200%

but yea doryani was just the most explicit broken thing

theres probably other stuff too

they were way too tanky so u could gear them in basically whatever you wanted

you didnt have to manage resists or attributes or raw life pools etc for the most part

[ocean field]

no u still needed the amulet to make them tanky against shotguns

they got gangbanged easily

[tranquil sedge]

very much depended on the content u ran lol
i was running juiced high %explicit t17 harvest maps with all mods and my merc was fine in perquil's toe

[spice pecan]

eh, my armor stacking blade trapper was basically immortal without dod

[ocean field]

I was running the same merc was getting banged lol

[tranquil sedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice pecan]

but that thing had a mirror chest so

[tranquil sedge]

anyway point is they were busted is hard to deny

even if we like em i dont think we're getting them back realistically

[ocean field]

I mean everyone and their mother was running harvest t17 since prices were 1000 per div

[tranquil sedge]

maybe we can prayge for an animate guardian update instead

[proud gorge]

again, as has been discussed many many times, do you actually like mercs or do you just like how overpowered they were

[tranquil sedge]

mercs

i like being able to use cooperative gear

[ocean field]

merc

[tranquil sedge]

i dont care if its weak for the effort it takes

i just like having more playstyle choices

[ocean field]

same

[tranquil sedge]

mercs could have been 10% of the power they had would still have enjoyed it

[ocean field]

exactly

[opaque sphinx]

neat

[proud gorge]

that's the issue with any mechanic that people say they really like, it'd difficult to divide between "actually liked the mechanic" and "I liked that it made me super overpowered"

[ocean field]

I like a slave following me around lowkey

[pulsar dune]

It is honestly kind of nice to be able to use at least some uniques that normally have too high an opportunity cost at a baseline

[proud gorge]

the problem is, most of the mercs power was just getting to equip support items for free and thus be super overpowered

[spice pecan]

mercs making a bunch of shitty uniques actually playable was cool

[ocean field]

yeah

[pulsar dune]

Garb being 11d was awesome

[ocean field]

like no one was using doryani

[tranquil sedge]

there were a lot of uniques that we got to play with that otherwise would never see the light of day i think

[pulsar dune]

First time in history Uber cortex was profitable

[ocean field]

legit

doryani was pretty much unheard off unless in group play

[proud gorge]

like, that's nice, but realistically that's not so much "I like having a merc" as it is "I like having 10 extra equipment slots"

[tranquil sedge]

i liked having more reasons to craft gear, more reasons to try new unique items, being able to wear synergistic gear, and having the ability to either have or play as an aurabot as a solo player

[pulsar dune]

Nah, doryani was played.

[proud gorge]

doryani's is played a lot yeah

particularly on minion builds

it's the most powerful spectre build

[spice pecan]

doryani has always been the budget armor stack option, and it was super popular in 3.25 because of LS

[tranquil sedge]

doryani is one of the items people do use

[spice pecan]

also you can't run doryani in 6man play anyways

[opaque sphinx]

yeh doryani always used

[pulsar dune]

It's a good item, just was insanely overpowered when it didn't eat all 3 of your rings and half your defenses.

[spice pecan]

banners and aurabots will kill your negative res

[ocean field]

I see but the price now is like 95% cheaper

was upwards of 1 div

during league

[tranquil sedge]

looking at prices right now is pointless

[pulsar dune]

Yes, obviously it was a lot less niche during merc league

[tranquil sedge]

you literally cannot compare them meaningfully

[spice pecan]

sure, it's not expensive, but it IS played

[proud gorge]

but yeah, like, would you still want a merc if you couldn't equip them with gear? The answer is obviously no, because in practice mercs were just a free extra 10 equipment slots

[ocean field]

Oh I see

[pulsar dune]

And it's a T2 unique, so it'll always be pretty cheap

[opaque sphinx]

well yeah it went from an item u have to build around to an item u can use for free dmg on a massive chunk of builds

[ocean field]

Well I don't have too much knowledge on minion builds but I guess it is very good for them

since u act as the slave

[opaque sphinx]

nah

its used on armourstacker and LC

[proud gorge]

almost no builds actually treated the merc like a companion, they just treated them as extra free equipment slots for aura-type effects

[ocean field]

yeah duh

[spice pecan]

nah i played aurabot

my merc was my ride or die

[pulsar dune]

Merc aurabot was awesome tbh

[spice pecan]

god that build was so fuckin fun

[proud gorge]

yeah, that's the main build that actually treated them as a real "companion" character

[pulsar dune]

Genuinely one of the most compelling archetypes in the game.

[ocean field]

yeah ggg gave us friends then killed them 🙁

[spice pecan]

40/40, afk farming ubers, actually being able to run valdos

shit was so cash

[opaque sphinx]

my merc existed to apply wither and give me envy zealotry w/ inc effect

[ocean field]

GGG I want my friend back

[opaque sphinx]

she was like that robot from rick and morty

what is my purpose

u stand there and look pretty

[proud gorge]

but that's my point, the "merc" isn't so much beloved for the mechanic of having a companion, but rather for being a free "support" that's just 10 equipment slots

but also one that's somehow more powerful than even real party play because they'd just never die

and had no real downsides

[pulsar dune]

Nah, mercs were hilariously weaker than group play

It's not really close

[proud gorge]

I mean, they were weaker than a fully specced-out aurabot yeah

but the opportunity cost is a lot lower

[pulsar dune]

Even a partial aurabot

There are still 1bil DPS non-zHP ~20d duo setups in the game

[opaque sphinx]

just combine mercs and mappers
instead of paying for mapper i recruit merc, gear them and send them on maps, or pull them out to map with me, but if they die they dead and their gear is dead like old ag

[tranquil sedge]

brother just combine mercs into animate guardian just buff that useless thing lmao

[pulsar dune]

Deleting gear could be compelling tbh

[opaque sphinx]

yeah but i wanna train an army

[tranquil sedge]

give it a proper UI and a couple more equipment slots and ur done

[pulsar dune]

Gives more value to some uniques at least

[opaque sphinx]

[proud gorge]

yeah, Animate Guardian has, like, actual investment needed to be good

but is basically just a merc anyways

[opaque sphinx]

imagine u get bored and swap to a new build, so u throw ur old build on a mapper and have them map for u

or they come join u

[tranquil sedge]

the other day when we were talking about it
this is pretty much what i was getting at lol the whole time

animate guardian is just mercs if they were ass levels of weak

which is what 'balance' would look like

[pulsar dune]

AG should get Merc UI, yeah

[tranquil sedge]

paper thin and potato weak unless u use opportunity cost to make them tanky or strong

[opaque sphinx]

merc stronger than AG tho

?

[tranquil sedge]

well yes thats the point

[opaque sphinx]

oh

[proud gorge]

that's the biggest issue I have with mercs, they're completely free, require zero investment, so every single build in the game just runs whatever the most overpowered setup is and gets stupid amounts of free DPS

[opaque sphinx]

i misread

carry on

[tranquil sedge]

they're completely free, require zero investment
yea those are the things u have to fix

but it is possible

[opaque sphinx]

sorry i need to do sirus for feared again and my braincells immediately died

[pulsar dune]

Eh, not really, you changed builds to account for the Merc being there

[tranquil sedge]

tho i do think effort needs to be put into AG first instead

that already exists

[opaque sphinx]

fury of the cosmos

[proud gorge]

every single build needed to become Doryanis because it just gave you ridiculous amounts of free damage

[tranquil sedge]

it was still pretty free man

i didnt play doryani at all

[opaque sphinx]

nu uh

catmines

[ocean field]

any mfs here watch jjk

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, it was one of the more powerful borrowed power sources we've seen

[tranquil sedge]

i just found a merc with a couple big dick auras and threw some generic gear onto him with aura effect implicits and perquils for lucky and a kaom's for 25% phys as fire

[elder marlin]

Whats the best way to move a fracture mod from 1 base to another?

[tranquil sedge]

didnt adjust my build more than like 5%

[tranquil sedge]

you cannot.

[opaque sphinx]

why resist

[pulsar dune]

Is it really out of line as league borrowed power in this state tho?

[elder marlin]

Wait really?

[worldly wind]

exile, do something

[opaque sphinx]

yeh they killed that

[pulsar dune]

They only got outrageous if you actually built for their presence.

[tranquil sedge]

never said it was out of line
but if they hypothetically went core it would be too strong lol as-is

as a temporary league mechanic sure whatever

[pulsar dune]

Oh yeah, that for sure

[tranquil sedge]

yh frac is locked to base
(and it can be lost too)

[opaque sphinx]

wow no way a crismon jewel

[thick goblet]

just give mercs even worse ai to balance them /s

[proud gorge]

but yeah, comparing mercs to party play is a good comparison to make, because on the one hand, yes, Party Play is also "free" and gives you a shit ton of free stats and damage, but on the other hand there's a good reason why only a small minority of players actually do aurabot party play, and that's that it requires you to coordinate with another human being and get them to aurabot, it creates friction. If you could just load up an aurabot at any time you wanted with no friction, then yeah, unsurprisingly every single build would center around the assumption that you're running an aurabot at all times.

[pulsar dune]

The difference between a Merc giving you generic buffs and a Merc replacing entire components of your build is enormous.

[tranquil sedge]

wat buffs would you give to AG if they took inspiration from merc for it

[worldly wind]

bringing back mercs = i sleep
bringing back that which was taken = real shit

[pulsar dune]

Awful take

[opaque sphinx]

wtf rational doctrine is 3d

thought this shit was like 18

[proud gorge]

I mean, honestly minion builds can already get "aurabots" in the form of perfect spectres, so the big change would probably be letting you link an attack to your AG to let it actually use that attack skill

[pulsar dune]

Hey let's put more generic power mandatory on 60-90% of builds unique jewels into the game

[proud gorge]

or I guess a spell

just some way to give the AG an attack/spell skill that they actually use

[eternal hill]

That would just make AG mandatory

[tranquil sedge]

UI is not the same as mechanical changes?

[eternal hill]

or rather, even more mandatory than it already is to maxxing out

[proud gorge]

nah, AG requires investment to actually be usable, like, at all

[tranquil sedge]

UI as in literally just the interface