1┃general

[proud gorge]

not perfect, but it's very easy to access since it's a natural T16

[split maple]

is citadel

[proud gorge]

oh, is it

hmm, in that case

[frigid wedge]

dunes

drops fort

[split maple]

dunes isnt super good for deli tho

[frigid wedge]

and canyon

[proud gorge]

I do like Racecourse yeah, it's very short and fast

it's alright with Deli, in no small part because of just how short the map is

[frigid wedge]

mesa

[proud gorge]

so even if it's not the straightest, you make up for that with it being very short

[frigid wedge]

factory

[barren river]

also, why fortress?

[proud gorge]

it's the most expensive T17

[split maple]

Bc I run fortress

[barren river]

i like ziggurat more

[proud gorge]

and also the best one

[split maple]

Barels carry scarb farm

[barren river]

ziggurat and sanctuary

[frigid wedge]

if u go to maps of exile and select delirium mirror and fortress it tells u

[proud gorge]

there's also Channel, but Channel with Deli can be weird

but yeah

[barren river]

why not unending nightmare?

[split maple]

Because I need 250 simuls

And unending nightmare doesn't drop splinters

[frigid wedge]

so arcade, canyon, desert sprint, dunes are best

[barren river]

???

[frigid wedge]

he needs voices

[split maple]

I May have slaped voices in a funny pob

[barren river]

why do you need to torment urself

[frigid wedge]

bc he got a 100% adorned on ssf

[proud gorge]

but yeah, map of exile

[barren river]

oh...

[proud gorge]

it's of the opinion that Dunes and Silo are the best options

though obviously Silo has the issue of having a really annoying boss, if you plan to kill the boss

followed by Arcade, Canyon, Desert Spring, Port, Promenade, and Racecourse

[frigid wedge]

just do that

esm are u minmaxing ur kboc

u got the body mod

[split maple]

I won't say not to it if it drops

But rn we settling on noncaped crit

[frigid wedge]

ouf

just stay hiero and get pcharges for now

so can someone summarise the lightning conduit discussion

and ill make a pob later

voltaxic, light res stacking, necro, forbidden for shaper of storms, archmage, kitavas for corpse pact, 2 light masteries, dark ideation (one), 50% shock effect mastery

anything i missed

[proud gorge]

crit mastery probably

[frigid wedge]

for

wat

[proud gorge]

for the 50% shock effect from critical strikes

[barren river]

why necro?

[proud gorge]

it's a good amount of shock effect for a mastery on a wheel you're probably going to take anyways

though I guess it's not necessary if you have enough increased mana

but yeah, overall that seems good

[frigid wedge]

not enough to make elementalist worth it but shaper of storms is incredibly helpful and hiero mana nodes help lc less than other skills

[proud gorge]

LC just scales super well with shock stacking

[frigid wedge]

and archmage automates corpse pact rlly well

and mana regen from ess glutton

[proud gorge]

honestly Voltaxic Rift is the weirdest part of the build, but it's necessary for the shock stacking

[frigid wedge]

i think im willing to lose 2 jewels for ailment effect in middle of tree

[proud gorge]

oh yeah, you also do need to acquire 100% shock chance somehow

[frigid wedge]

crit

[proud gorge]

but I guess if you have 100% crit chance on orb of storms that covers it yeah

you probably do still want some AoE somewhere, if only because it makes the build way easier to play

but that should be pretty easy to cover

[barren river]

this build is really strange

[frigid wedge]

i can just slap arc of oscillating on with archmage

for clesr

[proud gorge]

I mean, not really, it's just Shock Stacking

unfortunately "shock stacking" basically just means Voltaxic Rift and lightning mastery and that's it

lmao

the easiest stacking build of all time

though in this case it's also mana stack

[split maple]

funny patch note

[frigid wedge]

we managed to make it into a multi mirror mana stacker

[proud gorge]

which is a lot more complicated

[solar smelt]

Is there a list of all the uniques you could possibly get from the hiest unique chests?

[split maple]

should be all global drop uniques?

if you mean sideroom chests and not curios

[solar smelt]

Yeah sideroom

So you can get tier 0s in the side rooms? I thought there was a limit to the rarity of the uniques

[proud gorge]

yeah, since previously Voltaxic was "your maximum shock effect is 100%"

[split maple]

yeah this section of pob is sadge rn, tho i will surely have more int than i dare to pob so hit chance wont be issue copium

[split maple]

well t0s are rare enough they dont need to be prevented by limit 😄

[proud gorge]

so the 3.19 change was both a benefit (actually letting shock stacking exist) and a negative (the base shock as though dealing more damage only applies to weapon hits, though in this particular build that's completely irrelevant)

[tight plinth]

morning lads

what we arguing about today?

[ocean field]

What skills have highest mapwide coverage like a fuckton of aoe. I want to do harvest but I need to find and activate the altars before it in jungle valley. So which are the best ones?

[upbeat trail]

anyone else experiencing ping spike issues in POE 1?

[split maple]

wands

[ocean field]

what skill

[split maple]

kblast, kboc

[pulsar dune]

Kblast is better than kboc in pure coverage usually

[split maple]

for sure yea

[ocean field]

I see

anything else

[frigid wedge]

we making chaos archmage conduit

[split maple]

how good coverage do you rly need for harvest rushing tho

[pulsar dune]

High end tornado shot can get up there, but wands are about as good as it gets

[solar smelt]

Fair enough lol, guess I'm gonna be famrinf brute force mission till I can land an iron fortress. I'm not purchasing a bricked one for a divine

[ocean field]

need to activate all the altars

so pretty high

[split maple]

like anyways you need to run into corners to force eldritch mobs to spawn

[frigid wedge]

if u have enough aoe everything has full screen clear w explode

[ocean field]

what

[split maple]

but imo i wouldnt bother too much with altars for harvest

[ocean field]

🙁

[split maple]

you want div/h not div/map

[split maple]

dudes arent targetable until you walk over them

then exarch ones fly down and eater ones burst from ground

[ocean field]

oh

fuck me then

[split maple]

and they are biased to be close to walls in lil nooks and cranies

[ocean field]

guess I should just rush harvest then

[split maple]

yea take exarch for chance for altar at map enter

and pick the 2-3 altars you accidentaly trigger while rushing

and just up up up your map/h

[ocean field]

ok

btw I thought of exploring rakiata dance

[split maple]

surely treetree should be reasonabler than rushing heist chest for that?

[ocean field]

invert resistances seems to be good

espicially in juiced maps

[split maple]

rakiata on trickster?

[ocean field]

yeah

obvi

[solar smelt]

Not really, but I just dont feel like farming ancients and blood

[ocean field]

it has no downsides to taking coiling whisper of not applying curses

even tho ephermal edge exists

[split maple]

its a 2hander so no shield

[ocean field]

yeah

[split maple]

and you lose es scaling dmg

[ocean field]

yeah but coiling whisper is now available

225% atk spd increase

[split maple]

if you want rakis just do slayer

[ocean field]

actually feels good to play imo

[ocean field]

yeah I know slayer prolly better for this

[solar smelt]

That being said I can control the drop pool easier that way by making sure the ancient is at the right level for the chestplate

[ocean field]

tbh might try slayer

since he was the first character I played in poe

[split maple]

how much are iron forts on console anyways

[ocean field]

tried witch this league a dissapointment

wasn't tanky

I think I will prolly just stick to slayer and trickster

only issue with slayer is no CI

I like CI

[solar smelt]

Lowest one is 90 chaos and its bricked because it's a four five socket with 4 links thats corrupted

The next cheapest is a divine and it goes up from there

[split maple]

1. you will farm 90c much much faster than t2 unique. 2. you can edit sockets and links with bench or tainted currency

even if its 10div its faster to farm 10div than particular t2 unique yourself

[solar smelt]

I dont farm beyond ugh lol

[ocean field]

might try inquis esm

[split maple]

so use benchcraft

and getting 2-4 tainted fuses dont take much beyond

[solar smelt]

Which bench?

[ocean field]

inquis seems to be good

[split maple]

has 6 sockets, has 6 links?

tho thats gonna be much more unreasonable cost than tainted currency

[split maple]

what sorta inquis

[ocean field]

eblade

or crit based idk

[solar smelt]

I wish the guardian was worth playing

[split maple]

that captainlance stuff?

[limpid prairie]

Bosses for beyond currency or endless tide?

[ocean field]

yeah that but I assume that is expensive as hell

[tight plinth]

guadian isnt wort playing?

[ocean field]

prolly too broke for it

[frigid wedge]

hes ssf

[tight plinth]

guadian isnt top tier sure, but its plenty playable

[pulsar dune]

Guardian works well in ruthless and other low budget environments

[solar smelt]

I mean it is i guess, but compared to the other two ascendencies it's super underpowered imo

[frigid wedge]

guardian needs forbiddens

[frigid wedge]

depends on rest of atlas

what u adding beyond for

[solar smelt]

Is the league having a mid league resurgence or something?

[pulsar dune]

The ascendancy nodes scale poorly with gear and scale gear poorly, but if you lack power in gear that makes it the strongest ascendancy

[pulsar dune]

(except for the one)

[tight plinth]

guardian is more like the i can do everything but not top tier kind of ascendancy

[split maple]

from leveling 98-99 harby beyond with bosses prevented, had more mythics but burned like 4 on jewels

[limpid prairie]

Oh they were talking about farming tainted fusing
And I was curious

[tight plinth]

low floor, low ceiling type

[pulsar dune]

Yea, and low ceiling in a trade league (or even ssf tbh) is not really acceptable.

[split maple]

Oh Guardian this leg sure looks like Nice ceiling

That sebk stuff

[frigid wedge]

bosses for tainted currency, endless tide for adding mobs to map

[pulsar dune]

Yes, you do have some stuff

KBoC manastacking

[frigid wedge]

sebk setup needs the forbiddens iirc

bc otherwise no aoe

[split maple]

Yeah for sure

[frigid wedge]

or spell dmg per inc mana

[split maple]

It's the most ssf-unfriendly ascend

[pulsar dune]

I'd expect there are some pretty brain off 4 stone guardian setups possible

2 stone for sure

[whole bluff]

Forbiddens I would honestly understand if they showed SSF people mercy on

[frigid wedge]

lemme ask if he has a pob for late hiero

[tight ore]

what site should i use for builds

[whole bluff]

Let SSF players sell an inventory of forbiddens to get an unwritten forbidden that they can choose the keystone on

[pulsar dune]

Maxroll is good, pohx.net

[split maple]

Make 200% ultimatum that requires sacrifice of flesh/flame and gives matching pair

Would be still rare as fuck enough

[whole bluff]

Ngl, that you'd need to sell 60 was a joke, but it would make it a lot easier

But more reasonable is prolly that if you vendor 20-30, you could pick a keystone? SSF only?

[split maple]

200% ulti is category in which mirror ulti and mageblood ones are. add to that requirement to first farm half of pair yourself and it feels kinda appropriate - like once per few leagues stretchgoal

[whole bluff]

Ah, damn

[split maple]

and wouldnt impact trade overly much, except maybe narowing the gap between fflesh and fflame in price which would be beneficial imo

[whole bluff]

You can't 3:1 or 5:1 forbiddens right?

[frigid wedge]

ive asked seb if he has a pob for hiero on the adorned setup @split maple

ill lyk when i hear back

or just how to use the adorned for kboc generally

[pulsar dune]

I don't think so, corrupted uniques can't be vendored like that

And you'd get the same item either way

[whole bluff]

Yeah

Idk, maybe they could make a poll for SSF players, but then an open poll wouldn't represent the SSF players most likely

I think forbiddens should be more accessible in SSF anyway

[silent leaf]

I think everything should be more accessible

In ssf

[frigid wedge]

ok guy who uses uniques in as many gear slots as he can

[silent leaf]

If it ain't broken don't fix it

[whole bluff]

I'm not fan of the idea of punishing trade, but forbiddens are just excessively non-content in SSF

[frigid wedge]

i think

forbiddens should drop from the other bosses

for eater and exarch

[silent leaf]

I mean many things are kinda not accessable if ur on SSF

[frigid wedge]

possibly with a limited pool

[silent leaf]

Festering, Progenesis

[frigid wedge]

are these just items u want for ur build

[silent leaf]

Celestial brace

[silent leaf]

Nah

Those are the 3 Ubers that are cancer to fight

[whole bluff]

They could tag forbiddens per notable and distribute them I guess

Make all pinnacle and uber drop some

[silent leaf]

If your build needs progenesis to function

It's dogshit

Let's be real like svalinn

[frigid wedge]

add them to black star and unending hunger fights

[whole bluff]

Ah, yup

[silent leaf]

They don't have 2% drops rifht

[whole bluff]

Considering the theme, yeah

[solar smelt]

I really wish the poe console discord was even semi active.

[whole bluff]

Ngl, forbiddens could use a prop in one slot

[split maple]

my short list of do not pob is basically progen, svalinn, stranglegasp, stasis prison, hateforge, ff pair

other stuff is kinda obtainable with enough grind

[silent leaf]

Svalinn is obtainable kinda fine imo

Not to the extent of the others

[silent leaf]

Celestial brace u forgot

[frigid wedge]

sooo

[solar smelt]

Aren't the settlers bosses ridiculously rare though?

[frigid wedge]

any rare boss drop

[silent leaf]

No

It's 2% droprate but "kinda" common for the fight if you just spam maps

[split maple]

svalinn is 1600 avg maps and its the only good drop from black knight. either he needs some in between rewards or some readjustments

that is with scarbies

[frigid wedge]

other rare boss drops are fine but items that are rare and have a roll range of like 190 modifiers and cant be divined is not ok

[silent leaf]

Isn't that kinda better than LoM that you want

Lmao

[split maple]

lom is 20 maps per nameless, 4-6 audiences per such map. 20% drop rate for any kind. much much more reasonable

[tranquil sedge]

lom is pretty doable compared to svalin i think

especially if you wanna farm beasts or something go pair it with that

[pulsar dune]

And ritual has actually useful loot

Unlike settlers

[silent leaf]

Settlers have divines

[pulsar dune]

IG shipments are not terrible

[tranquil sedge]

if ur targetting lom you'd just spam maps anyway not run every ritual

[silent leaf]

[split maple]

from crops

not from ores

[silent leaf]

Ngl

[split maple]

if you svalinn hunting its ores

[silent leaf]

I forgot

Both are blues

Lmao

[whole bluff]

What if they buffed forbiddens slightly, give them +5 all attri or some shit. Then they changed the text on forbiddens to:

Forbidden Flame:
"Allocates <ascendancy notable> if you have <Endless Hunger drop> or the matching Forbidden Flesh."

[frigid wedge]

nah

[tranquil sedge]

i dont like it only because f/f is iconic and i wouldn't want to see them change that

[split maple]

also for svalinne tbf, you only need to scout maps until you find crater or verisium, since you cannot have both in same map

[tranquil sedge]

can u run that along with ritual + beasts all at once then?

[frigid wedge]

literally just remove the corrupt from forbidden jewels

[split maple]

yea was doing that for last few days

[tranquil sedge]

what does that do 😮

[split maple]

2 craters in 100 ore scarbs ( 2 per map)

[frigid wedge]

it takes like 200 div to roll for a specific node anyway

[silent leaf]

5:1 them

[whole bluff]

Divining them would be neat

[frigid wedge]

lets u actually divine them to diff notables

[tranquil sedge]

they'd have to change how divining it works i mean then

[whole bluff]

Ye

[tranquil sedge]

removing corrupt would not fix it on its own

e.g. watchers eyes and timeless.

[whole bluff]

Still, they should do it

[frigid wedge]

functionally the same as shako divining or replica dragonfang

[tranquil sedge]

but you can 100% bet if they even remotely considered that, they will definitely consider lowering its droprate lol

[split maple]

thats my lil pain point - if we can beastroll watchers why is there not smh for bound by destiny ffs

[tranquil sedge]

do u rly think ggg gonna give us buffs for free xd

[frigid wedge]

just weight the Uber ones away from hidden notables

[frigid wedge]

yeah but u still only need 1 then

[tranquil sedge]

if its something like THIS then sure maybe but i don't see them ever letting us divine them randomly

not without some effortge

[frigid wedge]

wouldnt mind a beast craft that's like, morrigan+vivid watcher to reroll forbiddens

[tranquil sedge]

honestly would rather just see another 1 or 2 nodes added to tree to speed up rate of invitation farming ngl

[split maple]

question is if its good to change max price difference between shit fflesh and bis one to cca 200 div

since divining them would cause that

[frigid wedge]

wouldnt exactly do that

bc its still supply and demand

trade players get real scared to click divines on uniques and rares

[tranquil sedge]

the most expensive jewels would get cheaper
the cheapest jewels would get more expensive
average price would go up i think

[split maple]

more demand for good ones = more folks gambain on shit ones

[frigid wedge]

and theres a LOT of useless nodes for forbiddens

[silent leaf]

Assassin's

[pulsar dune]

I think in general POE should avoid situations where divining an item is efficient in trade

[frigid wedge]

prices wouldn't decrease but stuff would still be expensive

[silent leaf]

GLADIATOR'S ONLY USABLE ONE LUCKY BLOCK

[frigid wedge]

scion

[tranquil sedge]

yea i think if u just make it a little easier to get its better than letting u divine orb it

make farming invites a bit faster or something

make the droprate go up a teeeeny bit

that kinda thing better

[split maple]

200% ulti

[frigid wedge]

scion has 18 available forbidden nodes and 3 of them are worth more than 10c

[tranquil sedge]

especially when divine shards dont exist yet ffs

come on just update harbinger already ugh

we had exalt shards when ex were the main currency

now do divines

i dont get why that's still not a thing honestly

both from trade perspective and ssf perspective

[frigid wedge]

bc fuck you thats why

[tranquil sedge]

on that note ima head out for a bit brb later

[frigid wedge]

god do i actually have to make lightning conduit

[silent leaf]

Do it coward

[split maple]

they exist

[frigid wedge]

do what

[split maple]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/The_Fortunate

[tranquil sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-flintstone-barney-rubble-coin-flipping-flip-a-coin-the-flintstones-gif-23183277

[tranquil sedge]

u know what i mean lol

[split maple]

i am pretty sure i got more divine shards than frac shards when leveling with harby in dunes

[tranquil sedge]

still think harby should be buffed

with div shards

lower fortunate if u have to do but make the mechanic a source at least

rn its inconsistent

u can literally drop mirror shards but not div shards

[split maple]

little issue there is if we keeping div and ex same rarity

then if we keep div and ex shards same rarity

its kinda overbuff

[tranquil sedge]

why's that an issue

[split maple]

bc harbs do drop a lot of ex shards rn

[frigid wedge]

im just friends with srev

[silent leaf]

[tranquil sedge]

more than when ex was main currency?

[pulsar dune]

I'm down to make metamods cheaper ngl

They're too expensive rn

[tranquil sedge]

if that's the case fine ur just saying balance the droprates which okay sure do that

but they should be able to drop div shards

[split maple]

idk but if we introduce rn div shards at same rate as ex shards farming harbs in scoured maps will be giga dough. changing div to be different rate than ex irks me tho

[brazen vector]

[split maple]

but yeah cheaper multimods i could live with

but settlers already did a lot for that

[brazen vector]

Hehe

[tranquil sedge]

• its consistent with harbinger mechanic working with all those other currencies
• it makes harby a target-farmable source for them
• sanctum was nerfed, this compensates
• also benefits ssf as an aside

[frigid wedge]

glorp

[worldly wind]

i miss sanctum

[tranquil sedge]

ye prob adjust the card weight then i think

[tranquil sedge]

sanctum still there

[silent leaf]

They can just

Make ssf get 3x more droprate and disable being able to go back to trade

[split maple]

dont nerf my brag rights

[silent leaf]

Wym

You can now farm 1 stashworth of bragging rights

[split maple]

i rly dont want ssf to have distinct drop rates from trade

like it devalues it as challenge mode

[brazen vector]

People in ssf wont need 40+ sirus kills for a woke orb then, good idea

[frigid wedge]

lul

[silent leaf]

Eh true, but would just outright make this discussion kinda void

[worldly wind]

ssf is already challenging, you can't rmt in ssf

[frigid wedge]

its only 20+ now!! he is in fear

[split maple]

Ngl dominance orb almost broke me yesterday

And then the bloody lil fucker missed

[frigid wedge]

ouf

[tawdry olive]

Yea there’s 2 sorts of folks, the ones looking for a challenge and the ones that just don’t want to trade, the latter will be wanting something like CoF

I used to be in the camp of “I don’t want to interact with people” but async solved that

[frigid wedge]

im in the camp of if my build isnt progressing i will stop playing

[split maple]

the later category imo will have much better time in trade

especially since faustus, double especially since async

like rly there would be a lot less complaints if ssf was locked away for first playthrough like scion

[silent leaf]

Feared also needs dread

And that's true cancer to farm

[split maple]

just do uber dread

[tight plinth]

this cd from temp shield is just cd for when you can unreserve/reserve it right? not the arc on bloc

[silent leaf]

I rather do 5x Uber sirus

Than Uber dread

[frigid wedge]

just do norm dread

[split maple]

gatekeeping access to new pinacles behind tears is the most ridiculus thing

[proud gorge]

I just realized, while looking further into this LC build, that the guy took the "15% increased max life with no life modifiers on body armour" mastery

except they're running a rare chest

[silent leaf]

Farming sirus is one thing

Esp with warlord being

[proud gorge]

there's no way this build absolutely needs all three prefixes

[silent leaf]

"immunity phase princess"

Farming tears is just another beast

[split maple]

feed them maps to mapers

tho i run my conq maps myself for conq ex, shaper and elders go to mapers for sure tho

[silent leaf]

You assume I have gold to spare after spending it all on tattoos

[proud gorge]

they're just running 15% life mastery because they just happen to not have life on their body armour smh

[split maple]

blight man blight 😄

[silent leaf]

No

I'm stuck on old meta with Scout towers

Idm doing Ravaged blight but I need 3x -tower cost oils

[frigid wedge]

gross

[split maple]

but yea gold is kinda struggle if you run mapers, i am running mappers only on weekends for that

[proud gorge]

I mean, I guess they really wanted all that Evasion

[split maple]

cannot sustain them on workdays

[silent leaf]

Abandon your work

[proud gorge]

but I can't help but feel like T1 life would give more survivability than that flat evasion mod

[split maple]

if anything you can lose hybrid

[tawdry olive]

> me when i realize i need to feed the meatbag housing my soul

[split maple]

but like life rly dont make sense on body

whats the diff in eva/es and life if you swap life mastery for life instead of hybrid?

[proud gorge]

oh yeah there's stun and block hybrid on there

[split maple]

tho wait is that body armor from that mirrored pc ring build?

[proud gorge]

yeah

[split maple]

why is it only 21% qual lol

[proud gorge]

who knows

okay so first off lemme see what this armour actually has on it mod-wise

[limpid prairie]

Flat hybrid hybrid stun recovery suppress chaos res craft

[tawdry olive]

The kind of shit only poe players will understand

[frigid wedge]

whew

[silent leaf]

My honest response

[proud gorge]

okay yeah, it's got flat hybrid, percent hybrid, and percent hybrid plus stun and block

[frigid wedge]

dont like that bench mod

[limpid prairie]

:) do I get a cookie for that

[frigid wedge]

obviously

[brazen vector]

Is that a trickster chest?

[undone gazelle]

the only thing that allows em to use the armour

[frigid wedge]

༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ🍪

has cookie for u

[brazen vector]

Decline

[frigid wedge]

nimnoms

BLAZAR

[brazen vector]

[frigid wedge]

YOU ARE NEEDED

BY ME

[silent leaf]

Wat

[frigid wedge]

what uniques have good pdr/shit to sustain trauma

that arent a pain in the ass to get

[silent leaf]

Doppelganger?

Ah

Wym by pain in the ass

Like boss uniques or high tier

[frigid wedge]

ie i can purchase for like 2c or smth but they get the job done

i imagine u have a list as the guy who hates rares

[limpid prairie]

You can get charge duration and body armour endurance charges
Maybe that helps

[silent leaf]

Can't, doppelganger do that

[frigid wedge]

tryna get a build out of acts but it keeps killing itself

[proud gorge]

okay so the rolls might be slightly off, but this seems to be pretty accurate

and that's without removing the 15% mastery

[frigid wedge]

and means i cant map either

so like

having fun

really i should just go divine shield tbh

[silent leaf]

How much is Brass dome

[frigid wedge]

but effort

idk

[proud gorge]

so it seems to give a pretty minor decrease to dodge chance

[frigid wedge]

was considering just divine shield prosperos

with es body

[silent leaf]

You can

Yea

[frigid wedge]

yeah

[proud gorge]

but also I guess the max life increase also isn't that high

[limpid prairie]

Traitor and 2 armour flasks
Pretend armour does anything

[frigid wedge]

trauma without jugg is more effort than i considered

[silent leaf]

I mean it's kinda fine if you just run

Multistrike

I had to remember what's that name on top of my head

[frigid wedge]

yeah but i want the flat

[silent leaf]

You just can't exert it

[proud gorge]

honestly overall I'm not entirely sure why this build is running an Evasion/ES hybrid armour with super high defenses

[silent leaf]

Dur mastery

[frigid wedge]

maybe

[proud gorge]

the ES is Eldritch Battery, I guess?

[frigid wedge]

i am nearish to it

wait lemme grab the build pob

[proud gorge]

to it's to upkeep their spell casting costs?

[frigid wedge]

sorta pob

[proud gorge]

and the Evasion is... just generic defenses I guess?

[silent leaf]

My internet died and I'm on phone atm

[frigid wedge]

i havent been playing enough to actually deal with it

[proud gorge]

I mean it's definitively only Evasion armour so that it can roll suppress

[split maple]

if they using eldritch battery total es barely matters

[frigid wedge]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoTinCan
should probably have just run absolution to maps

[proud gorge]

yeah

[split maple]

since you have perma recharge anyways

[frigid wedge]

but i dont like absolution

[split maple]

prolly just grabed generic treetree chest without thinking

[proud gorge]

to be fair their ES recharge rate isn't high enough to cover their casting costs

they actually need a combination of EB recharge and mana regen

[split maple]

so slap on es leech and gg

[proud gorge]

even with the ES leech

[split maple]

whats the mana cost/sec?

[frigid wedge]

i do wonder if Insta leech would help me out

[split maple]

how the fuck are they having issues leeching 360/sec

thats basically a fart worth of leech

[proud gorge]

leech rate is like 215 somehow

[split maple]

what do the max hits look like if you just slap doppy on it?

[proud gorge]

oh it's just because their ES pool is very small

so their max es leech rate is very low

[split maple]

wait why is there no recharge line

[brazen vector]

You like this addition?

[split maple]

dont tell me they using ghost reaver or some shit

[proud gorge]

oh yeah huh

[silent leaf]

It looks like I'm shitting on rammus

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[silent leaf]

And internets back on

[proud gorge]

yeah I actually have no idea, it looks like it does have a recharge rate of like 430

but it's not displaying on the left

for some reason

[split maple]

so okay anyways spell is sustainable then

[proud gorge]

yeah

[split maple]

how does doppelganger look on it numberwise?

[proud gorge]

who knows, maybe they're planning to run MoM

[frigid wedge]

what build r u guys lookin at

[split maple]

that stupid lc pc mirror ring from yesterday

[proud gorge]

lemme find the link again

[brazen vector]

Yea exactly :D.
The next person to post gets fartbeamed on

[undone gazelle]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers/character/Krazzed324-5539/Krazzed_Shocking

[proud gorge]

that's the one yeah

[winter crater]

where do i write to migrate my poe1 and 2 acc to steam? im running linux on new machine and standalone is wacky

[proud gorge]

honestly MoM would actually improve the max hit by quite a bit

but so would not having EB lmao

[split maple]

MoM max hit is a bit fake in this sorta build

[proud gorge]

yeah

the MoM pool is entirely just the EB pool

[split maple]

i was doing mom eb on my pbod last league and yeah it works but sure as fuck does feel glass

[proud gorge]

since after looking at it there's no way they're using mana regen for anything

[split maple]

pathing to mom explains that one 10 str node tho lol

[proud gorge]

they have, like, 60 unreserved mana

or 5 with Enlighten 3

lmao

[frigid wedge]

oh right

[tawdry olive]

god i just love those random other stat pathing nodes, like half my builds in the past would break without them

[split maple]

funey

[frigid wedge]

is this guy crit capped

btw

[proud gorge]

yeah I don't think Doppel is the play

[split maple]

yeah he got 12 pc

he better be 😄

[frigid wedge]

fair

[undone gazelle]

if its just a random str then Physique would be fine, or get Alacrity and change the body craft

[split maple]

but wait thats not even trickster thats withc

why the fuck not twilight regalia

and just get rid of eb

[proud gorge]

Suppression suffix

[split maple]

he aint caped anyways

[proud gorge]

yeah but he's lucky suppress

that's, like, alright I guess

[split maple]

and doesnt have suppress corupt on ralas even

[undone gazelle]

he could with foul malachai loop

[frigid wedge]

the use of ice golem over safeguarding is hurting me

[proud gorge]

but yeah the EB is kind of necessary to cast spells

unless...

[frigid wedge]

level 2 awa unbound on orb

wtf

[brazen vector]

Didnt have beasts to level

[split maple]

if you can slap in lvl20 clarity you are almost covering the cost already

like heck even slap it on arrogance, getting rid of EB is still worth

[proud gorge]

yeah but the build is already pretty full up on auras

[frigid wedge]

mirrored ring

[proud gorge]

and also slots

[frigid wedge]

but too broke for beasts

[brazen vector]

All the budget

[frigid wedge]

obv

[split maple]

with eb he got 4.6k phys max hit. without eb and aroganced lvl20 clarity he got 6.8k phys max hit

[proud gorge]

no wait I forgot that this build only has two gems in its weapon

[split maple]

oh lvl21 clarity already covers mana cost fully

[proud gorge]

so there's just an empty socket

[split maple]

get rid of ice golem

[frigid wedge]

add safeguard

[split maple]

and does frostblink of wintry rly need pc on crit support

[proud gorge]

I mean, I assume it's for upkeep or something

but probably not no

there's definitely space

the real question is how the heck do we fit level 21 clarity in the reservation space

[split maple]

you arrogance it

-ice golem +stoneguarding, -pc on crit frostblink of wintry +arrogance +lvl21 clarity

like i rly dont want to arogance it

but its still better than eb lol

[undone gazelle]

hmm both the supports on fbowb could be dropped, at 6.26 its fast enough

[frigid wedge]

how tf is it at 9.6

[split maple]

its not

[tawdry olive]

More speed more better

[undone gazelle]

wait 6.26

[split maple]

5.54 if we drop faster casting which is imo good enough

tho we rly dont need to drop it

there is enough sockets

[proud gorge]

yeah

[split maple]

but like that build is rly peak sloppy

[proud gorge]

the one issue is this build uses RF of Arcane Devotion for more cast speed, but has no ES regen, but I guess you'd just use the ES pool as leech space or something?

but yeah, I'm trying to "fix" the build to be less sloppy

since it does seem like an interesting build concept

[split maple]

you can take zealot oath if you want

[proud gorge]

but man is it wack

[split maple]

and relly on life leech for chaos dmg recovery

it will be jank but its that kinda build

[proud gorge]

that could work yeah

but I'm not a huge fan smh

[split maple]

but also like dont click rf during maps

you have enough dmg

[proud gorge]

honestly it can probably drop RFoAD

but it's, like, okay "free" damage

[split maple]

tho okay that combo of rf + eldritch battery + a few weird path decision makes me think its just "sensible" shortterm respec to do a few ubers

like swap a few gems, toggle of eb and shite and you map

[proud gorge]

nah this is the form the build emerged as, fully formed

and it's never changed

except the addition of that single strength pathing node

I have to assume the person whose build this is just isn't playing it anymore, but occasionally logs onto the character long enough for them to appear on poe.ninja

for some reason

[split maple]

idk poe.ninja doesnt pull changes when you have gear item missing, maybe smh like that

oh they have like 4 chars in keepers

[proud gorge]

apparently there haven't been any build changes since 35 days ago, so yeah, they're probably just not playing the build

wait, Safeguarding doesn't provide the golem buff

so swapping onto safeguarding loses a bunch of defenses and life regen

can you run both regular and safeguarding Stone Golem at once?

I have to assume not, right?

if you can, then that seems very powerful

[undone gazelle]

ziz's lc leaguestart uses stone+safeguard so its viable

[proud gorge]

ah, then that definitely adds a lot of defenses to the build

[craggy zinc]

really surprised me lol

[proud gorge]

nice

congrats

[steel light]

oi wtf

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-car-meow-explosion-gif-13527070362113797677

[steel light]

don't get my hopes up

[tawdry olive]

thanks for helping me sell my lavish gifts

[tight plinth]

is blastrain of trarthas shit to play mechanically?

[craggy zinc]

thanks! Its been 1 month since i last played the game and surprised me XD

[tawdry olive]

i read that skill name so wrong

[tight plinth]

howd you read it?

[silent leaf]

thrarthus

[proud gorge]

blas train

[tawdry olive]

blast train of fartass

[silent leaf]

trarthus

[proud gorge]

bla's train of fartass

congrats everyone, we've done it

[tight plinth]

who tf is bla and why tf does he have a train

of fartass no less

[silent leaf]

[tawdry olive]

aight i just had a premonition...
they're gonna nerf block next league

maximum chance to block attack and spell damage is 65% by default

just like they did to spell suppress this league

[tight plinth]

tota next league 🙏

[silent leaf]

im calling it

[whole bluff]

[silent leaf]

next league is tane / metamorph

[whole bluff]

I wonder how much they keep of breach

And if they give any old stuff back

It That Fled deserved more

[silent leaf]

they fled

[whole bluff]

I guess

Maybe they're not Catarina food after all

[proud gorge]

nah, you haven't considered, the real solution to block. Just make it so that block doesn't block 100% of damage

max block chance is 100% but base block effectiveness is only 60%

now you need a shield with good Increased Block Effectiveness on it

[whole bluff]

But iirc there's some quote somewhere that implies Catarina actually uses the horns of the death god, main force behind the abyssals who are the source of all necromancy, to empower herself by destroying her underlings souls

[tight plinth]

please god dont bring back metamorph

theyre gonna do give it old archnem mods i swear and its gonna be overtuned to fck the first couple of weeks

[whole bluff]

I wouldn't be super surprised if we get an abyss update

They expanded the lore a lot in poe2, more than they did breach

[tight plinth]

idk about that, they just did that in 2, but i wouldnt be surprised

maybe more kalguraan stuff

[whole bluff]

Catarina calling the abyssal lords in t17 makes a lot more sense now

Meh, less than a year since the 1 year kalguur league

And in poe2 we also play act 4 in kingsmarch

[tight plinth]

oh yeah kingsmarch was kalguur

[whole bluff]

I want either more abyss, wildwood, karui afterlife, or something sorta new

Vaal would be OK

[tight plinth]

i dont mind another remake of a league mechanic, we do be having too many already

[whole bluff]

Harvest is a wildwood thing right? And ritual is wildwood

Main thing about abyss is it seems to either be broken UP or broken OP

Could use some developement

[tight plinth]

im back to my original prediction, heist 2

MORE doors

[whole bluff]

Heist isn't bad lorewise imo. It also really needs fixing and kinda always did imo

[silent leaf]

CULL LEMAK

and lycia saying BALD DAT

[proud gorge]

I gotta say, I do appreciate GGG making good on their tacit promise to add more sources of flat spell damage scaling to the game

Jiquani's is very powerful, but honestly it should be, it's competing with Archmage

and also EB Battlemage I guess

[silent leaf]

i dont appreciate GGG making the game revolve around CI lmao

[frigid wedge]

esm u around

[silent leaf]

at least the 8 mod + risk

[proud gorge]

Jiquani's is nice because it establishes a more life-oriented spell build

though granted, not a full life build

because even with it being Blood Magic the best way to play Jiquani's still seems to be ES-based

just with some unreserved life to cast blood magic with

ES is just ridiculously good

[whole bluff]

You can build jiquani around ES or ward with expedition helm or whispers of infinity

[whole bluff]

Ye

[silent leaf]

i also dont appreciate that marauder and duelist 4/6 of them are un-usable after day 3-7 lmao

[whole bluff]

It's just the nature of int, staff, spells, I think

[proud gorge]

we need that one Bog Shaman node in the game tbh

put it on Sirus bloodline or something

[silent leaf]

ok more towards 3/6 actually, the saddest part is 2 of them are CWS

the other one is MSoZ

[proud gorge]

ironically, if the Bog Shaman node were added to the game, it'd still make ES chests meta

they'd just be converted into life

[whole bluff]

At least slayer, champion, berserker, are all actually good for melee, and melee on average probably has more DE than spells now?

[brazen vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014986199615668255/1430740969715794072/cat.gif

[silent leaf]

yea at the cost of less range

[whole bluff]

And then there's glad that works kinda in a wonky way

[silent leaf]

glad still cant work on 8 mod + risk

and ignore everything like CI does

[pulsar dune]

Hey, jiquanis can actually use the while not on low life grasping mod

[proud gorge]

yeah, melee does extremely good damage, their lack of "meta" status is entirely just down to melee having worse clear, which is unfortunately not really something that can be resolved without changing what melee even is

[frigid wedge]

why tho

[silent leaf]

worse clear
worse damage
worse survivability
worse mod pool vulnerability

even on single target

[proud gorge]

Melee has the advantage of being way easier to scale damage on, and also having a much higher damage ceiling, at the cost of needing to get in close to enemies to hit them.

[pulsar dune]

Because coruscating sucks

[silent leaf]

i mean yea thats the joke

[whole bluff]

Better dmg, leech

[silent leaf]

play melee for 3-7 days

swap to CI

lmao

[frigid wedge]

i wanna play a chaos dmg life stacker

but like

idk

[silent leaf]

downside is not being able to farm 8 mod maps

[proud gorge]

on an even playing field, melee is naturally going to be less meta because it just has lower clear, that's just inherent to the class identity

[silent leaf]

without cherrypicking

[proud gorge]

the only way melee becomes truly "meta" is if it's broken strong

[silent leaf]

yep

[pulsar dune]

Very few builds can truly actually do any 8mod map

[proud gorge]

and at that point the balance of the playing field is thrown off entirely

[silent leaf]

cause some mods just outright

fuck over melee

[frigid wedge]

idk at what point I would have too many sources of added chaos based on max life

[whole bluff]

I don't really understand how spells would be better than melee vs mod pool yeah

[proud gorge]

eh, I'm not even talking about mods, I just talking about the inherent nature of melee not having screenwide super fast clear

which is inherent to it being "melee"

[silent leaf]

not spells necessarily

[tight plinth]

life stacking rathpith with osin

[silent leaf]

just CI

[pulsar dune]

Also, CI melee is kinda the meta

[silent leaf]

wanders / some attack skills still abuse that

yes

thats my point

[silent leaf]

^

[pulsar dune]

Tho does CI even help vs map mods

[silent leaf]

well

[whole bluff]

Melee vs CI is not really a comparison?

[silent leaf]

not the meta

there's wanders

[silent leaf]

marauder / duelist ur forced to go red ES

[split maple]

there are ci slayers, no?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, more lifestack payouts would be nice, as is there's, like, two options, Rathpith, and Blood Sacrament, and both are really annoying to actually use

[silent leaf]

most of the time

unless its specifically phrecia

[whole bluff]

Shadow you're forced to suck, Witch you're forced to elementalist, templar you're forced to stat stack or mana stack

[proud gorge]

there's so many ES payouts these days

[silent leaf]

necro wanders

[frigid wedge]

i meant sac support, runegraft, bloodline, dark pact

etc

[proud gorge]

meanwhile there's comparitively few lifestack payouts

and many of the lifestack payouts work with either life or ES, and so naturally become ES because you can just stack so much more ES than life

[pulsar dune]

Genuinely, I'm looking through the list and none of it really matters except like phys as extra chaos which is largely non-threatening.

[whole bluff]

At least melee can just attack, spells have penance brand and like 4 versions of generals cry but for spells

[silent leaf]

i just dont like the game being revolving around playing slammers and you are fucked on your current progression cap / unable to do 8 mod + risk unless you swap over to CI

[proud gorge]

again, I'm not sure what the CI part is

[pulsar dune]

CI isn't going to fix mod resistance.

[proud gorge]

there's downsides to melee, yeah, but what specifically is forcing melee builds into CI?

[silent leaf]

you arent

"your current progression cap / unable to do 8 mod + risk "

thats the only forcing part

you arent eable to do 8 mod + risk

if you dont care about that

then yea your happy with your melee

[proud gorge]

okay, and what prevents non-CI melee from doing 8mod plus risk?

[split maple]

how the fuck cannot you do that on non-ci tho

[proud gorge]

that's the question we're trying to answer here

[pulsar dune]

Frankly, most full on vaal temple farmer-tier builds are not CI

[whole bluff]

Why can CI do that better?

[silent leaf]

the ONLY ones i think that can do is Msoz or CWS right

that are life*

[pulsar dune]

Nah, hroc as well

[proud gorge]

again, what about 8-mod plus risk is forcing CI?

like, what mod

[pulsar dune]

And relic

[silent leaf]

not being tapped

[proud gorge]

what?

[split maple]

what bricks slamerino from doing 8mod plus risks

[silent leaf]

being tanky enough

[split maple]

like if nothing else

[proud gorge]

there's like barely any chaos damage mods

[silent leaf]

having 3x max hit

[proud gorge]

there's one that I can think of off the top of my head

[pulsar dune]

And some PF variants.

[proud gorge]

CI literally only raises your chaos max hit

[silent leaf]

you are kinda rewarded to not going into life, you arent going into that anyway

kinda wish we get rewarded that we dont go into ES

[whole bluff]

Leech, endurance charges

[proud gorge]

oh, so what you're saying isn't "CI is required", it's "ES builds are required"?

[whole bluff]

Fortify on tree

[silent leaf]

they have those too no? not leech besides trickster

[proud gorge]

because there's plenty of non-CI ES builds

[silent leaf]

eldritch implicit / EE

ok not EE

t0 now

[whole bluff]

Str part of tree gets the most max res, crit dmg reduction, fortify nodes, all the endurance charges, way easier leech

[proud gorge]

the biggest weakness of ES builds is phys max hit

[tawdry olive]

just get more ES baby

[silent leaf]

i rly wanna say thats good but having 15k ES is still better than 6k life

[proud gorge]

like, that's a real problem for any ES build, trying to manage their phys max hit

[silent leaf]

i REALLY

wanna say thats a downside

when you have 15+k ES

[proud gorge]

it is a downside yeah

[silent leaf]

its not rly a thing

[pulsar dune]

Nevertheless, there are plenty of options for life based 8 mod farmers if you accept some brick mods, and from ES builds you really don't get too many more.

[proud gorge]

ES builds take an extra brick in the form of Less Defenses

[silent leaf]

12k is on a budget right

[pulsar dune]

12k is non-trivial unless you're explicitly a stacker

[whole bluff]

8k is on a budget in my experience

[pulsar dune]

8k is more realistic, yea

[grizzled lily]

lie

[tawdry olive]

the real strength of ES is how stacking int basically stacks that ES for you and you just casually get to 20k+ without even really trying like the life stackers, thereby solving your phys max hit by itself, and better yet its not conditional (except less defenses mod)

[proud gorge]

that is their biggest weakness, yes

[split maple]

like lets not forget we lost shitload of explicit effect and that risk added mods aint scaled anyways

[grizzled lily]

no other weakness

[proud gorge]

you can say that you believe it's not a large enough weakness, but phys max hit is very much the main weakness of ES builds

[split maple]

like you rly dont need all that much for 8mod+risk

[whole bluff]

Except leech and stuff

[silent leaf]

i kinda agree that for t17 where the mods are tame

t16s however

[pulsar dune]

Yea, maybe if we had affliction levels of difficulty in the game now, there'd be an argument, but as is, nah.

[silent leaf]

i dont think reducing explicit does alot

[gritty epoch]

3k life with infinite armour have same phy max hit with 30k es

[split maple]

just get some life on block glad setup going man idk

[pulsar dune]

It does a ton.

[silent leaf]

-block

i WOULD

give them to mappers

but they expensive asf

[pulsar dune]

-Block also fucke nearly every CI build tbf

[proud gorge]

but yeah, have you tried running a Less Defenses 8-mod with super high explicit effect

[silent leaf]

i mean base is -40%

[proud gorge]

you basically lose access to ES

[silent leaf]

and its alrd enough to neuter block

[split maple]

idk my regex this league for t16.5 is "sca.*\d..%" on life build

[proud gorge]

Less Defenses is a true brick for any ES build

[silent leaf]

im a sca.*\d man

[grizzled lily]

biggest weakness of es builds is how easy you can get baited by it

[pulsar dune]

Nah, ES builds are actually pretty strong as a whole

[silent leaf]

also GGG please make gold drop 500% more and make trading 500% more expensive, so people can reasonably play kingsmarch

[silent leaf]

the saddest part is that ES has been the gauntlet meta for 3 leagues

and they actively

[proud gorge]

but yeah, an ES-stacker build that gets all their damage from ES stacking can hit 10-11k pretty cheaply, but a build that's trying to scale anything else and can't invest 100% of their build budget into stacking ES is going to be more like 8k

[silent leaf]

tried to neuter it by removing trickster

"lets play antiquarian instead"

[whole bluff]

Weren't you nr1 trickster hater or was that someone else?

[silent leaf]

i was yes

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, ES is basically unbeatable bossing wise, since big pool=good.

[silent leaf]

back then when trickster got buffed

after 3.25

[whole bluff]

How did they buff it?

[silent leaf]

40% global defenses

they tried to hamper the EE

[whole bluff]

Ah, everyone got that though

[pulsar dune]

326 trickster got hard carried by mercs tbf

[silent leaf]

but it aint enough

[pulsar dune]

That shit was zDPS as fuck

[proud gorge]

the distinction between ES and Life is supposedly that ES gets larger pool but worse recovery, while Life gets a smaller pool but much better recovery, but in practice over the years they've just made ES able to get ridiculously good recovery as well

[pulsar dune]

Except doryani prototype fixed it

[tawdry olive]

i feel like you're ignoring int stacking, which isn't ES stacking, but you get ES for free

[silent leaf]

yea and the only way to run Life on par with ES is either:

HRoC
CWS
MSoZ

[proud gorge]

I am yeah, because I'm talking about expected ES values on a budget

[silent leaf]

not sure what HRoC is but people mentioned it

[proud gorge]

and Int stack is very much not budget

[whole bluff]

And what do you run ES with?

[silent leaf]

FRoSS / etc no?

[tawdry olive]

budget life builds also get that phyx max hit easily invalidated by things like altar mods tbf

[pulsar dune]

Ehh, int stacking had terrible damage payoffs for the longest time

[silent leaf]

KB / Wanders ?

[proud gorge]

I mean, if you're taking into account altar mods that turn off phys mitigation then no phys mitigation matters

[split maple]

wanders are well known for acceptable single target indeed

[tawdry olive]

no but ES can tank it through raw hit pool

thats why i dont think its as clear cut

as you say it is

[silent leaf]

^

[proud gorge]

so your reasoning for why ES builds don't have phys max hit as an issue compared to life builds is "life builds can have their PDR turned off if they take an altar mod that turns off their PDR"?

[silent leaf]

ok i didnt mention altar

[proud gorge]

that's kind of a silly argument

[silent leaf]

i dont rly think altar was a variable

[proud gorge]

I'm talking to KohakuKen, not you

by that logic ES builds have terrible max hit because they could take a high explicit effect Less Defenses map

that deletes all their ES

[whole bluff]

I just find it sad trickster died for a sword, with the current state of spells

I guess pdot is doing unusually well, and elementalist now carries the torch, but it could have competed with trickster rather than laughing at trickster

[tawdry olive]

i was trying to take a more holistic view of the average situation youll encounter in the game. If we accept that usually an ES build is going to have 2x the hitpool of a life build
lets say a life build takes something that negates all their phys reduction, they now have 4k hit pool
ES build takes less defenses at maximum effect, that turns their 8k ES (really low btw) into 4k anyway,

[whole bluff]

Antiquarian should have been an indicator the sword was the problem

[proud gorge]

4k hp is also really low HP for a life build

that's, like, just got out of campaign hp

[tawdry olive]

thats fair since 8k ES is also real low, using budget comparisons

like i dont even think about switching to CI before 8k ES for example, though i guess you could get by

[split maple]

my slamer had 20k phys max hit before i respeced to cws

and that was with hcssf into ssf start

so not rly high gear situation

[proud gorge]

but yeah, there's very few things in the game that ignore pdr, and for good reason. Back when Overwhelm was a thing, it really forced ES builds due to not being able to reliably actually have phys max hit

[tawdry olive]

alright, i will accept that with all defenses up life builds (usually) get more sources of phys max hit a bit easier at low budgets, so if reductions are not taken into account and you're just looking at a normal POB comparison then you're right

[proud gorge]

don't get me wrong, ES is definitely ridiculously strong compared to life

[split maple]

this league life got a lot of new toys tho

fbl red dream

[grizzled lily]

es is broken idk what yall be yapping every time i had a good time in poe was with a CI build

[split maple]

molten xophgraft

like if accustacker wasnt broken it would be life build league

especially due to no content outside of valdos rewarding tank

[proud gorge]

I do find it funny but also sad that when they ported the life payout bog shaman node to a Bloodline, as Unlight Sillhouette, they also significantly nerfed it compared to Phrecia

[split maple]

even the fucking lifestacker relic of the pact became playable via bloodline

[tawdry olive]

honestly the real losers are the right side evade/suppress type lower life builds tbh, used to have phys taken as explicit mods to help the paper phys max hit

[grizzled lily]

at that point uust ditch uour phys max hit bro

[silent leaf]

That's the initial argument

[grizzled lily]

2k life no es bow build

[proud gorge]

I mean, Unlight Silhouette comes out to the same added flat damage value

but where in Phrecia it was "spells gain an added life cost equal to 25% of mana cost, and added damage equal to 80% of that life cost" for 20% of mana cost to damage, Unlight Silhouette is instead added life cost equal to 100% of mana cost, and added damage equal to 20% of that life cost

and it wasn't even that good in Phrecia lmao

but now you pay 4 times as much life for the same effect

[tawdry olive]

aight whats the next slam after earthshatter

if they nerf it we just do down the list

[silent leaf]

It's just

Sunder -> ES

If they gut ES I'm not even sure what's next

[proud gorge]

oh whoops I was supposed to take Alira

[grizzled lily]

sunder into cws

[silent leaf]

For runners, I don't use ES that often since Sunder - Perforate of Duality is my kind of jam

[proud gorge]

but I just autopiloted to kill her while talking about ES lmao

[split maple]

my current league was elementalist slammer -> bers slammer -> hiero kboc hybrid into hiero kboc ci -> respec chief to cws -> respec elementalist to brander hybrid

[tawdry olive]

its ok 20 regrets saved, take the pain now

[split maple]

like more of life builds than ci

[silent leaf]

What would Ben use for day 1 ubers

If Earthshatter don't exist

[grizzled lily]

boneshatter

[split maple]

bleedshatter

[tawdry olive]

bonezone is back baby?

[split maple]

it never left

[proud gorge]

I mean, I do play a lot of ES builds, but that's mostly because I like playing highly defensive builds where your defenses pay out into damage. And unfortunately, there's lots of those for ES these days, but very few for Life.

[silent leaf]

I still remember carn laughing his ass off when Imexile tries Boneshatter and needs more than 5 hits to kill a rare

[proud gorge]

and the ones that do exist for life keep for some reason requiring you to sacrifice enormous amounts of life every second

[pulsar dune]

Farm for march and flamewood it up.

[grizzled lily]

i watched the vod of ben doing ubers day 1, im still recovering

the messiah of poe

[silent leaf]

You mean snoobae?

The PoB messiah

[proud gorge]

that's my second biggest issue with lifestack builds, after there not being enough of them

[silent leaf]

Iykyk

[proud gorge]

it's the fact that they're all super awkward to play

[pulsar dune]

They need to buff armor and evastack defenses tbh

[tawdry olive]

armour stackers be like "yeeessss, yesssss"

[proud gorge]

every existing lifestack build is, like, Sacrifice + Rathpith with Unleash BV so that you don't have to pay out the enormous life cost constantly, or Dissolution + Rathpith where you just don't have real life

[silent leaf]

https://youtu.be/6k67K-_PXCA?si=ofh1KIyO6KN6MsLC

[proud gorge]

and those are all just super awkward builds to play

[silent leaf]

The real Poe messiah

[tawdry olive]

i feel like a lot of the times something in POE cannot be good because the curve is like: kinda shit -> someone stacks 10000000000000 of it -> its good and then now the devs are hamstrung by the "its good" part

[grizzled lily]

THE MESSIAH OF MAGIC FINDING now lowk i was watching him do some cool strats on mercs

his t17 deli farming

was kinda peak

[proud gorge]

meanwhile on the other side of the pond, you have EE build that just gets damage scaling with max ES. Energy Blade build that just gets damage scaling with your max ES. FRoSS build that just gets damage scaling with your max ES.

[grizzled lily]

i did it aswell, those clusters were so good

[silent leaf]

Ego complex wasn't it

[tranquil sedge]

weird streamers being weird