1┃general

[proud gorge]

they're not "meta" sure, but they're extremely good

[pulsar dune]

Most strikes are ranged-ish, no?

[cobalt blade]

Same

[granite bloom]

ony melee skill i like is vol snaking lol

[barren river]

flicker is a semi meme

[pulsar dune]

Ambidex and molten

[proud gorge]

Strikes are the most melee a skill can get, because you have to bonk the enemy with your weapon

no projectile, no AoE slam, just you bonking them with a strike

[cobalt blade]

Last time i played ambi i had 70% screen coverage lmao

[granite bloom]

do you feel dizzy after flicker?

[barren river]

How?

[pulsar dune]

Siones ey

[barren river]

Nope, surprisingly

[cobalt blade]

siones anoint+strike targets

[proud gorge]

but yeah, there's some "less melee" skills that effectively require you to stand closer to the enemy than Strike actually does

like good old Splitting Steel Nimis

the "stand inside the enemy's ass" skill

[pulsar dune]

Spiral is pretty melee asw

EoW range is complicated

[barren river]

I wanted to play splitting steel

[pulsar dune]

But it's more close than far

[barren river]

Too bad it's ded

[cobalt blade]

its close because you want low proj speed to shotgun

[proud gorge]

but like, when people are criticizing PoE1 over "oh melee is only good if it's effectively just a ranged skill" what they generally mean is melee non-projectile strike skills, so not LS

[granite bloom]

many good skill is dead, like storm brand

[proud gorge]

Slams are also definitely melee but if you use that as an example people would complain about building gigantic AoEs

[ancient sorrel]

is helix still unplayble without 70% reduce proj speed amulet?

[cobalt blade]

I feel like these people dont understand strike range and how +1 non vaal strike works

[finite quail]

i haven't seen anyone play with helix in ages

[pulsar dune]

Nah, the DE is decent at a baseline after buff

[barren river]

Splitting steel is truly dead

[pulsar dune]

Just take -proj speed on tree

[cobalt blade]

and how you can very much get stupid range on most melee skills that arent cyclone

[barren river]

You can only play splitting steel with nimis

[granite bloom]

i saw a full sceen cyclone

[proud gorge]

like yeah, ultimately, melee is always going to be a less-than-meta build archetype because of the inherent fact that being able to kill enemies from a screen and a half away is really good and lets you clear maps faster

but like

[pulsar dune]

Well, that's the criticism, isn't it? That nothing is good unless it's near screen wide range

[proud gorge]

that doesn't make it bad

[cobalt blade]

It cant return anymore kek

[proud gorge]

that just makes it less than meta, which is still really good

[whole bluff]

Ngl, the melee problem isn't solvable I think, cuz the only way to make you really melee melee and still fast is flicker, and that has no control and some people get motion sick

[barren river]

Exactly

[cobalt blade]

but it's not hard to get so its an absurd complaint

Its like complaining why your hitting your foot with a hammer continuously

[silent leaf]

nah, you can probably make them like the rolling smash from poe2 tbf

[cobalt blade]

Ye requires alot of investment for cyclone specifically

[whole bluff]

I don't personally care to even define melee, nor do I care how anyone else does. But it seems clear some people want to shake the hand of every mob and still be efficient

[split maple]

like fundamentally is issue that its impossible to have skill that both feels melee and has clear, ignoring prolif

[barren river]

Also, @cobalt blade did you go ivory tower on boo manaman?

[cobalt blade]

no

[barren river]

cloak?

[cobalt blade]

I think i went ci with it late game

[whole bluff]

I guess cyclone is something some melee fans would like

[cobalt blade]

and was just mom defence early

[split maple]

so i really cba to think about what is true melee and at what point of clear some skill isnt melee anymore. if it has melee tag its melee fuck it

[proud gorge]

the "melee problem" honestly isn't even about range, because there's plenty of builds that actively want to crawl into the enemy's asshole to deal damage. The "melee problem" is honestly just the inherent fact that "hit enemies in really close range" is always going to lose out to "hit enemies in a massive radius" unless the higher DPS ceiling of the melee build is relevant

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[proud gorge]

and builds scale so high in this game that it's basically never relevant

[finite quail]

The good ol antman into thanos ass attack

aka molten strike

[cobalt blade]

average rf build says hi lmao

also theres the kinda funny fact that you tend to want to be close to bosses anyway regardless of your range

[whole bluff]

Either a player has a build that needs to shake the hand of every mob while wielding melee weapons etc, or a player has a build that can be good in poe, imo

[cobalt blade]

like most ranged builds do stay decently close to a boss so its easier to dodge

[split maple]

the throw brands blink into boss/guard wait for phase blink away loop

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I think it might also partially because of a combination of PoE2 players being used to a meta environment where the game is so overscaled compared to the builds that the weaker builds genuinely cannot survive, so you're forced to play meta. And partially just because their main exposure to PoE1 builds would be via youtube content creators putting out videos about how this or that build is broken and every other build is trash or whatever.

[split maple]

kinda hard to realize how much lower the cliff between meta and offmeta is in 1 than in 2 ig

[proud gorge]

Side note, I sometimes scroll Youtube shorts, and I have never once seen a PoE1 youtube short, but I keep getting recommended PoE2 youtube shorts

that game is apparently doing pretty well with the youtube short watching audience

[cobalt blade]

ive had a few zizaran poe1 ones recommend the times the short shelf decides to show itself after hiding it

[potent horizon]

I've gotten random arbiter and temporalis build shorts for poe2 but only Ben shorts for poe1

[split maple]

but like for 40/40 in 1 you basically need a 20div earthshatter (if even that), whats the equivalent in 2?

budgetwise

[proud gorge]

but yeah, this league alone, in my first build of the league, I ended up playing a build that is incredibly strong, easily meta-worthy, but just happens to not be meta this league because apparently FRoSS is just barely off-meta

sort of lingering in the sidelines

[pulsar dune]

I've been telling people to play fross all league

[cobalt blade]

15 of that div being getting your boss fragments/expedition books scarabs etc this leagues

its such a trivial 40/40

[wintry gull]

Hello I am new here

[split maple]

was very humane yeah, like the hardest part is rolling comp reports for doryani lol

[silent leaf]

the saddest thing, is that cyclone is that fucking description

[wintry gull]

Does anyone have issues with the POE loading temperature 80c ?

[silent leaf]

since its just a worse RF without CWS

[split maple]

tho i procrastinated my 40th for a month or so sicne i wanted to finish off challenges with pboder

[silent leaf]

and you run at the enemy at snail pace

[proud gorge]

my biggest issue with the challenges is just having to spam out maps

I'm not a big map spammer smh

[whole bluff]

Considering I found a mirror shard in ritual, I guess I should already have 40/40, but I really didn't like assassin, plus I didn't have much time, and then I played some poe2

[frigid wedge]

its called bad pc

[jagged raven]

huh what? is he being serious?

[proud gorge]

gotta do 60 defend the hands

[wintry gull]

Lol

[cobalt blade]

Yeah i got lucky enough to get 20 comp from the div card turn in and get it in 5 or 6 lol

[cobalt blade]

Yo the rare landmine

[split maple]

hella lucky madam i prolly rolled 100 😄

[wintry gull]

I have 9800x3d and 5080

[cobalt blade]

o7

[jagged raven]

all those maps in the background r white 16.5 for 1div

[split maple]

kept that comp reports node on all atlases for first month or so

[wintry gull]

Just problem POE 2

[proud gorge]

oh PoE2

[finite quail]

this is not the poe 2 channel

[cobalt blade]

80c isnt a problematic temperature btw

[proud gorge]

uh #2┃general they'd probably know more than us

-> 2

[wintry gull]

Both poe and poe 2

[whole bluff]

Not in here

[proud gorge]

have you updated your graphics drivers

[wintry gull]

Yes I did

[proud gorge]

then I dunno, turn down the graphics settings I guess

[wintry gull]

I don't have problems other game

[whole bluff]

Ah, now I get what you meant

[cobalt blade]

your pc is designed to run hot its like 90-100c you should be worried

[wintry gull]

I play arc raider 65c

[split maple]

doublechecked that your fans arent dusted and cloged to hell?

[jagged raven]

should be a thermal issue

try running some stress test

[proud gorge]

PoE isn't particularly graphics intensive

[wintry gull]

But who is using 9800x3d ?

[proud gorge]

I dunno about PoE2 though

[jagged raven]

blight?

[wintry gull]

When loading 80c and back normal 55c

[split maple]

should still be more cpu limited than gpu

[whole bluff]

Disassembling entire computer + then disassembling graphics card and then dusting all the parts can do wonders

[cobalt blade]

It can be with global illumination n shit on

[proud gorge]

I suppose yeah

which comes back to my point

[split maple]

oh rite what are your settings at

[proud gorge]

turn your graphics settings down maybe

[cobalt blade]

Its pretty likely generating the shader cache and hammering your gpu well doing that

[wintry gull]

Ya I did street 80c

[high path]

Your GPU can run at 80c. It's meant to do that. If it starts thermal throttling that's when I'd be worried, but your GPU won't throttle at 80 degrees

[cobalt blade]

once your in the map its generated so lower temps

[silent leaf]

y'all got more than 60c?

[whole bluff]

I used to have like 87c

[jagged raven]

u got water cooling or something?

[silent leaf]

no

[proud gorge]

I've been orbed

[silent leaf]

lmao

thats the temp while i am playing arc raiders

[whole bluff]

And then I recalibrated to not kill my PC by default on boot

[cobalt blade]

35-45c cpu under load and like 75-80 gpu (though my case fans dont spin until 50+ on the cpu which would giga cool the gpu)

[proud gorge]

I've been turned into those of those static orbs

that you touch

[potent horizon]

I am water cooled and stay at 35c and idle at 27c

[wintry gull]

I am aio cooler and stay 40c

[proud gorge]

now I kinda want to find a build that uses Maligoro's Restraint because I like this cool lightning ball character effect thing

[jagged raven]

r u playing in a freezer?
:)

[silent leaf]

no lmao

avg temperature in my country is 42C

lmao

[jagged raven]

jesus 42c! are u in sahara desert?

[silent leaf]

worse

[cobalt blade]

Fuckin roasting alive

[whole bluff]

It was 87c and throttling hard. I reconfigured and it wasn't enough. Then I disassembled entire thing and dusted all the parts but saw no effect until I reset the calibration to default (computer set itself to throttle at like 30% when I tried to fix it in settings, due to extreme thermal issues, then it was still doing that after dusting simply cuz I had told it to)

[silent leaf]

southeast asia countries

[jagged raven]

me too but 42c is omg

[cobalt blade]

low key think i would die of heat there 10-12c feels too hot over here lmfao

[proud gorge]

where the heck do you live that 12c feels hot

[cobalt blade]

Ireland

[proud gorge]

that'd do it yeah

[jagged raven]

12c is hot! bro thats winter for me

[whole bluff]

Could be that the cooling paste was just completely dead in my graphics card, or the copious amounts of dust in the case and on metal parts, but the difference between working cooling and not working cooling can be absurd

[cobalt blade]

lmao

[proud gorge]

I've been to Ireland, it's like being in a walk-in freezer the entire time

especially when you're up on the bluffs

[jagged raven]

im not even joking thats legit winter where i live

[cobalt blade]

Thats like -2 to +2 here

[split maple]

I wisht it was 12c rn there

-7 for a week now

[cobalt blade]

holy

[whole bluff]

I wish it would be 10c for 3 days with big amounts of rain, and then it could snow again next year

[proud gorge]

I'm fortunate enough to live about halfway between these two temperatures lmao

[split maple]

I am not used to it anymore, we had really lite winters for last 5-6 years or so

[whole bluff]

That's quite cold for southern/central europe (iirc)

[proud gorge]

currently around 15c mid-day, which makes it a bit warm for the winter

[split maple]

Someone needs to ramp up global warming a bit

[silent leaf]

15 chaos

[proud gorge]

exactly

[split maple]

Yeah by current standards, its would be kinda normal 10 years ago or so

[whole bluff]

Same in Sweden. When I was a teenager, there'd be snow-chaos at least once per year. Now it was only slush-chaos yesterday

[proud gorge]

oh hey, Maligaro's Virtuosity is at 0.4% usage rate

that's not bad

it's being used on, uh

Shrapnel Ballista + Frenzy Heirophant?

no wait those are the gloves

[whole bluff]

Prolly cuz bow nodes are nowhere near templar

[proud gorge]

I'm looking for Maligaro's Restraint

[umbral crag]

Whats winter guys

🥲

[scarlet jacinth]

That cold season with the slippery ice stuff

[proud gorge]

yeah, Maligaro's Restraint, unsurprisingly but also unfortunately, at 0.0%

on 10 characters

[umbral crag]

Damn thats crazy

[proud gorge]

alas my dreams of cosplaying as a human lightning orb

[whole bluff]

I checked the daylight cycle in Tromsø (Norway). That seemed absurd

[jagged raven]

does these help with the apothe and mirror card drop?

[scarlet jacinth]

The bane of my existence

[proud gorge]

no wait the Foulborn Maligaro's Restraint has 17 builds

[whole bluff]

I get depressed when it's dark early in the afternoon and long in the morning, but those guys lose days

[proud gorge]

that's an improvement

[umbral crag]

I know how we were talking about apoth drops being near impossible but

Just gotta keep dreaming

[proud gorge]

now who the fuck is running Foulborn Maligaro's Restraint on their builds

[jagged raven]

oooooh shiny

[umbral crag]

Welcome to my country. Summer all year round

[whole bluff]

I almost did

[jagged raven]

someday soon i will get a drop

:)

[umbral crag]

My first in erh 2 years?

[jagged raven]

omg

[scarlet jacinth]

Guess i should move then. Then i can stop paying for my car just to go use it in winter and some shitty days

[jagged raven]

i saw a post guy played 8k+ hrs and then he got a mirror drop

[umbral crag]

I hope you don't mind 99% humidity along with the summer heat

[split maple]

Basic currency one can drop mirr cards, while unique jewelry one can drop apo

[scarlet jacinth]

Nevermind..

[split maple]

They don't use map cards or scried cards

[proud gorge]

okay I have no idea why this build is running Foulborn Maligaro's Restraint

[split maple]

Just the full non-boss reward pool

[proud gorge]

it's a Doom Blast build

[split maple]

Got apo last leg from one of these, but lil fucker poofed

[proud gorge]

it doesn't have any lightning damage to convert

why is it using Conductivity for its doom blast

[jagged raven]

omfg

[pulsar dune]

People do doom blast with jiquanis

[jagged raven]

@umbral crag

[umbral crag]

Todays not tht bad actually

[pulsar dune]

Maybe they just didn't equip jiquanis yet

[jagged raven]

well um that was easy

[proud gorge]

why is it running Heart of Destruction on a Chaos Damage build

[scarlet jacinth]

Damn its like 9deg here

[proud gorge]

and Mastermind of Discord

those only benefit elemental damage

[umbral crag]

That ss is basically the coldest you'll see my country get HAHAH

[scarlet jacinth]

Geez it was like -4. 5 days ago

[umbral crag]

Pros and cons ig

[proud gorge]

oh wait, it's because this is, for some reason, a Doom Blast Ignite build

using the elementalist ascendancy to let their chaos damage ignite

[pulsar dune]

Ah, makes sense

[proud gorge]

so I guess the elemental damage scaling is to let the ignite deal more damage

still no idea why they're running Maligaro's Restraint

but ah well

[whole bluff]

This is what I play, it's not tuned but elementalist is strong, foulborn doedres scorn is good starting out, and it works quite well

[proud gorge]

I suppose that will remain a mystery

[whole bluff]

He prolly has all dmg shocks + minimum shocks

[proud gorge]

I assure you he does not

[whole bluff]

I can link mine, though it's quite far from finished

[whole bluff]

Ah, hmm

[proud gorge]

not one lick of shock chance

[whole bluff]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/Vinchova-6627/character/EleBestAscAnchovi

Meh

[proud gorge]

I guess his Tempest Shield can shock?

[frigid wedge]

shaper of storms shocks without chance

[pulsar dune]

It'd show up in calcs

[frigid wedge]

oh

lmao

[proud gorge]

yeah I don't think the Maligaro's Restraint is really doing a whole lot here

alas

[silent leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-car-meow-explosion-gif-13527070362113797677

[tawdry olive]

“I wish I had 12 ascendancy points” the ascendancy

[proud gorge]

this other builds seems to be at least capable of generating shocks lmao

205k PoB DPS Kinetic Fusillade build

with... Foulborn Null and Void to cleanse the self-shock I guess?

the deeper I peer into poe.ninja builds the more confused I get with some people

[whole bluff]

Ngl, I think maybe a lot of people aren't 100% serious cuz if you don't go meta, invigo blight is prolly too hard, and if you don't do invigo blight there's no reason to make a good char

[proud gorge]

I mean, depends what you mean by "good character"

I'd prefer a build that can reasonably beat Ubers without mirrors of investment lmao

[whole bluff]

On decent budget fighting feared, on a couple 100d fighting ubers, etc

[proud gorge]

which is an incredibly generous ask

[silent leaf]

||"I wish I had more notables to use"|| the ascendacy

[whole bluff]

I found nothing I liked in shadow doing that at least

[elder marlin]

how hard is it to get this with alt spam+recomb?

[silent leaf]

triple suffix t1

[elder marlin]

ye

[silent leaf]

prob takes 12 bases?

[elder marlin]

holy fk im gonna die

[tawdry olive]

Worth it alone

[elder marlin]

im not in the game atm but how much r frac orbs currently?

[split maple]

Just buy random ass feeders and isolate with predictable

Then use unpredictable to transfer to good base

[whole bluff]

Sounds like something I should do for some slot

Nightweave robe or something

And warlock boots

[elder marlin]

im sorry what?

[whole bluff]

Predictable recombs are so bad they're good

[split maple]

Buy some shitty tornado wand with that mod and random ass mods from trade

Then slap into recombi with profane with as common prefix as possible

Gives you 50-50 to isolate

[tawdry olive]

aight fr think about it tho, liege, primal aegis, heart of destruction branch are just generically good on their own for almost any build

[elder marlin]

like just get random base with the chaos dot and only click the chaos dot?

[tawdry olive]

why does she also get heralds

im dyin lmao

[split maple]

Only click the cdot and some t8 mana or something in second wand

[elder marlin]

does it have to be wand?

[split maple]

Yes

Cannot throw different basetypes into recombo

[lilac parcel]

what happened?why standard so full of people ?

[warm forum]

z

[silent leaf]

i pray 5 more bloodlines at least next league

[elder marlin]

these 2 together right? oh god my gold is gonna disappear after this craft if the odds r bad

[silent leaf]

you have the 3 goons from beyond, baldat, gore, kash
you have the 3 goons from abyss
black knight
atziri
harbing goes binted

dotcap:

you can even make sirus / cortex into bloodline

[elder marlin]

how r u getting 2b+50m dot dps?

[tawdry olive]

every node on sirus bloodline should just be a voiceline

How Boring and Small: nearby enemies have 50% reduced model size

[umbral crag]

your stride angle remains the same and hence a 50% reduction in movement speed

[proud gorge]

honestly I feel like Sirus's bloodline would probably have something to do with, like, Corrupted Blood? And also probably multi-elemental damage?

those seem like his main "things"

[whole bluff]

your /dance is now simply sitting down on a throne

[frigid wedge]

sirus bloodline: instant skills can now be bound to walk

you cannot use instant skills other than vortex

[whole bluff]

Vortex now looks like a deatomization storm

But ngl, we could use Ahuana bloodline (delve vaal boss), with some blind effects, or they could use his phys spell theme. Saqawal, Fenumus, Craiceann, etc

[proud gorge]

in actual actual all seriousness though, most of the Bloodlines are just Phrecia nodes, so what would Sirus's phrecia nods be? Maybe the Bog Shaman's ES to life node?

[whole bluff]

Ye this

[proud gorge]

maybe mixed with some phys spell and Corrupted Blood stuff yeah

[silent leaf]

All Damage inflicts Corrupting blood

[whole bluff]

Kurgal etc are even developed more conceptually in poe2

[proud gorge]

I mean, probably not lmao

[silent leaf]

50% of physical converted to chaos damage

[proud gorge]

I do think some way to inflict corrupted blood more consistently would be nice

but "all damage inflicts corrupted blood" is definitely too much

[silent leaf]

i mean

[whole bluff]

They could have a corrupting fever node

[silent leaf]

do we even have any corrupted blood

besides corrupting cry

[proud gorge]

Corrupting Fever and Corrupting Cry

[silent leaf]

yea and no one uses both lol

[whole bluff]

So you inflict a stack on hit, and then it's like a lvl 25 CF (CF needs even more and is still zdps right? Not talking corrupting cry which is tuned much higher), and a bonus to damage over time based on some attribute

[silent leaf]

or have all 3 transfigs notables into one notable

[proud gorge]

they're both, unfortunately, real bad

[split maple]

CF is kinda popular this league, no?

phys dot elementalist

[proud gorge]

is it?

[whole bluff]

Phys dot elementalist is good afaik, with foulborn rathpith globe

[split maple]

just 3404 people using it: https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/keepers?skills=Corrupting+Fever

[whole bluff]

Single target is vaal reap afaik?

Or just reap

CF should carry clear though

[proud gorge]

huh yeah, 3% usage rate

interesting

[split maple]

yea folks use reap for ST mainly

there was interesting poet pen setup with kblast used to proc poet pen for legstart legions

[whole bluff]

It sounded quite strong, for a CF build

[split maple]

phys dot is in rly nice shape rn yeah

[whole bluff]

Zoom zoom

[silent leaf]

imo

-All Damage inflicts Corrupting Blood

-50% of physical converted to chaos damage

• Transfig 3x

[proud gorge]

but yeah, here's my idea for a wack-ass Sirus node: When you deal damage of all three elements in one hit, it creates a small explosion dealing damage equal to the lowest of the three elements in the hit.

[whole bluff]

Imo like:

• "You have lvl 30 corrupting fever"
• 1% increased damage over time per 5 str, dex, or int (or some shit)

Since it's a 0L

[silent leaf]

we dont need anymore attribute stacking node

[whole bluff]

Of a zdps skill, it needs a strong second stat anyway

[proud gorge]

honestly yeah, while the ascendancy didn't see that much play, maybe it would be correct for Sirus to get some Aristocrat node

[whole bluff]

• You have lvl 30 corrupting fever
• "Damage over time effects deal damage 50% faster"

[silent leaf]

ignite players

[whole bluff]

Hmm

[silent leaf]

eating fucking good if that exist

lmao

[whole bluff]

Non-ailment?

[proud gorge]

that reminds me, clearly they need a Bloodline to get the Paladin nodes back in the game

what would be the best boss to have a Paladin-flavored bloodline?

[whole bluff]

Or maybe ignite needs the love anyway. I certainly wouldn't mind. Ignite and CoC are my favourite archetypes

[silent leaf]

wtf is paladin again

[whole bluff]

More broadly it's just caster

Which part of paladin?

[proud gorge]

Paladin was the dedicated support/aurabot ascendancy, with a focus on Link skills

[whole bluff]

He'd prolly only get like 3 nodes?

Maybe 4, maybe a multichoice

[silent leaf]

lmao we dont have any bosses that links anything

[karmic gust]

we have like 2 at least map bosses with that

[whole bluff]

But 7 options on one bloodline, I think that's something that should be split in 2

[proud gorge]

but yeah, definitely the Link node, maybe with the flask/curse nodes as a choice

[karmic gust]

actually 3

[silent leaf]

map bosses arent really considered right

only like league mechanics or pinnacles maybe?

[proud gorge]

all three Link-related nodes can just be one node

[karmic gust]

yea pinnacles

[whole bluff]

I want a bloodline based on Aristocrat lorewise

[silent leaf]

which boss have link?

[karmic gust]

i dont think we need more stuff forcing people to use links

[whole bluff]

Like "Oriath Bloodline"

[proud gorge]

then one node for the three auras, maybe? That was never really their best node, but it's appropriate

[silent leaf]

thats kinda weird

yknow the bird of judgement

[proud gorge]

and then the last notable could be Elemental Valiance, to summon Elemental Relics

[silent leaf]

"you didnt tell me your bloodline was weak"

[whole bluff]

Greust Bloodline

• Your voicelines are more angry.
• You have a spear.

Silk Bloodline:

• 100% less damage to spiders.

[silent leaf]

ok funnily enough

gruest bloodline died with him

[whole bluff]

Ye

[silent leaf]

silk bloodline got killed cause we killed the spider

[whole bluff]

But you can take up the mantle

[silent leaf]

that was carrying his child

[whole bluff]

Dominus, Piety, Malachai, idk

You could theme those as your character taking inspiration more than power

[proud gorge]

so I'm envisioning the Paladin bloodline as being:

1. Flask effect leading to Deep Connections, +5 levels to link skills, lose no xp when a linked target dies, non-unique utility flasks apply to linked target instead of you
2. Aura effect, leading to choice of Level 30 Determination, Level 30 Grace, or Level 30 Discipline
3. Life regeneration, leading to Elemental Valiance, 25% chance to Trigger Level 20 Summon Elemental Relic when you or a nearby ally kill an enemy, or hit a Rare/Unique enemy

[silent leaf]

tbh we can get the gods bloodline somewhere

like

idfk TOTA

[split maple]

When fight ends portal goes to hideout

[proud gorge]

the best character for Paladin bloodline would probably be Innocence, but we don't really fight him in the endgame as an endgame boss

[whole bluff]

1. Could just be flasks apply to minions instead of you, to be more accessible?
2. Needs buff
3. Should be different to Guardians

[proud gorge]

you can link minions, so "flasks apply to linked targets instead of you" would already apply to minions

[silent leaf]

kaom bloodline

50% of Damage Converted to Fire Damage
+2 Endurance charge
+15 max rage

[proud gorge]

and yeah, the level 30 auras are definitely the weakest of the three nodes, but I think that's fine

it serves the purpose that it serves

[proud gorge]

also huh, I did not realize Guardian had that node now

[whole bluff]

Bloodlines going core gives me hope for grafts

[kindred silo]

y?

[proud gorge]

lmao no, Grafts are definitely not going core

[kindred silo]

y would grafts ever be core

[proud gorge]

we know this for a fact

[kindred silo]

they r just temp power

[proud gorge]

they've outright stated it

[whole bluff]

Then they need to change the bloodline, but fair enough

[proud gorge]

yeah, the Breachlords bloodline is definitely either getting changed or removed

[kindred silo]

isnt it just 1 node

[whole bluff]

Yup

[kindred silo]

admittedly the only good node

[proud gorge]

I mean, it's also just the fact that the Breachlords themselves are pretty tied to the league mechanic

and people do not like the league mechanic

[whole bluff]

That would depend on:

1. Are the still equippable
2. Are they deleted when league ends

[kindred silo]

breach just suffers from not enough loot

[proud gorge]

yeah, I assume once the league ends the graft slots will just go away

[kindred silo]

otherwise people would likeit

[proud gorge]

like the pouch

the old wildwood pouch

[whole bluff]

Rework tinctures 😭

[proud gorge]

alas, poor wildwood pouch, we knew him well

[whole bluff]

Gimme old tinctures

Idols iirc?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, the most likely way they could preserve the breachlords and also the foulborn uniques after this league would probably just be to leave the Hivebrain Gland in the game as a drop from... somewhere

[kindred silo]

they would just get deleted?

[proud gorge]

and then the Hive Fortress is now just how you get foulborn uniques

giving it value

since obviously the tree would be gone

[whole bluff]

Unstable breach should remain and Lieutenant drop stuff too

[proud gorge]

I did my writeup for how I'd integrate the new Breach with old breach a while back

but it basically boils down to, keep the Unstable breach mechanic with the bar that you have to fill up by killing enemies, but bring back the multiple breaches per map, and ability to open multiple at once, as well as bring back the old 5 different breach varieties

and then when the unstable breach is stabilized, either spawn rares or the breachlord encounter that could always appear in map breaches but was just rare before

[split maple]

and make it possible to get multiple breach rings per map ffs

[proud gorge]

have all the breach loot drop around you like with unstable breaches, but bring back breachstone splinters and breachstones

and yeah, good old breach rings

the old breachstones were great content, I'd be glad to see them back

maybe with some adjustments

maybe add some grasping coffers along the path

that only appear when the breach is opened past them

[whole bluff]

One thing I hope remains is foulborn oppressor

That thing is sick

The double variant

[proud gorge]

I mean, presumably the foulborn uniques are staying

they're great content, they'd just have to be accessed via some method other than The Tree

which, again, probably just make them drop from the Breachlords encounter

and/or grasping coffers in the hive fortress

[whole bluff]

Or make breachlords drop a grasping orb

[proud gorge]

would give the Breachlords encounter some actual value

[whole bluff]

That fouls uniques

[silent leaf]

I'm predicting grafts will be only breachlord bloodline and their skills get hammered by 3/4

[whole bluff]

Sanctum had special relics

[proud gorge]

Breachlords drop a random foulborn, and then they add Uber Breachlords, which has a chance to drop double foulborns

[silent leaf]

I'm all for that

Kinda depends

[proud gorge]

all foulborns are now much more expensive lmao

[silent leaf]

How cancer it is to get the gland

[proud gorge]

who knows

I do prefer to have the foulborns be more accessible

[silent leaf]

Verymuch the same

[proud gorge]

the problem with the idea of a "grasping orb" that lets you foulborn a unique is that its price would be set at the value of the most expensive foulborn unique

[silent leaf]

I fucking want foulborns to stay esp certain belts

[proud gorge]

thus making the "lower value" foulborns extremely inaccessible

[silent leaf]

But GGG kinda hates that idea afaik? Since Scourge or crucible

[whole bluff]

You can drop the low value ones already fouled

[silent leaf]

I REALLY like that idea

For SSF players

Target farming specific unique foulborns

[proud gorge]

but yeah, I can imagine the situation just being: low value foulborns drop from grasping coffers. They technically have a chance to drop any foulborn unique, but they do use regular drop rate mechanics so the T0s are going to be very rare.

[barren river]

Hey everyone how’s it going

[proud gorge]

Breachlords either drop more or more valuable foulborn uniques, or maybe the grasphing orb but I doubt they'd go for that

still uses tiering, but much more likely to actually roll those higher value foulborns

[silent leaf]

If grasping orbs exist

They will get named Grasping balls

[proud gorge]

and then they add an "Uber" style Breachlord encounter that has the ability to drop double foulborns, but they're still very rare

[silent leaf]

Tbh

If they just make it guaranteed to drop double foulborn but keep the tiering

I'm all for that

[proud gorge]

I'm saying the way I imagine it would likely work, not the best/most convenient version of reality lmao

[silent leaf]

Some docshit uniques get some love

Cause they are common

[proud gorge]

more than likely if they did it like that, the Uber version would just have the double foulborns added to the drop pool

but would still follow standard drop rates

[silent leaf]

Some also common also very good like xoph heart or blood

Fucking soultether also pretty good +5 max res if you use abyss jewel

[proud gorge]

oh, I just realized

you know who would be perfect for the Paladin Bloodline

Izaro

[silent leaf]

You mean goddess of justice

[proud gorge]

make it come from beefy Izaro from the enriched labyrinth

[silent leaf]

eh tbf she IS linked with izaro

yea blue lab is kinda given

[proud gorge]

either Paladin or some sort of theoretical Emperor Bloodline

Lord's Bloodline?

[silent leaf]

theres actually another linked boss

which is in a league

the twins from heist

[barren river]

I'd rather not

[silent leaf]

ok its for link players

if you dont link then you are safe

[proud gorge]

nah it's fine, the Paladin link ascenancy means you don't lose XP if you die because your linked target died

you still die, but at least you don't lose xp

[barren river]

As in I don't want to see heist tied to a bloodline

[proud gorge]

ah

[silent leaf]

hmm

[proud gorge]

I mean, prolly yeah, the heist bosses are barely even "bosses" tbh

[silent leaf]

i kinda like the idea of getting 1 bloodline per league mech

tbh

[lilac parcel]

do we have shipping data for mirror shards ?> 50 mil transport or 30 mil transport ?

[proud gorge]

I have to assume they're deliberately not putting any bloodlines on the "real" Pinnacle bosses, as in, the uber-capable ones

[barren river]

We do not, though from anecdotal evidence, it's probably an avg of 2 shards from a 50m transport

[silent leaf]

atziri bloodline

||able to spray out 4 milk instead of 2||

[barren river]

it's redundant

IMHO abyssal liches should have a bloodline

[silent leaf]

yep

[barren river]

Or infused beachhead

[silent leaf]

so should beyond

[barren river]

But that map is so obscure

[proud gorge]

don't forget about Vaal Omnitect

that's a real boss

[silent leaf]

oh right

the roomba

[barren river]

Omnitect and Atziri are redundant

[spare ore]

the omnigooner

[barren river]

We have the depressed trialmaster to murder

[proud gorge]

but yeah, Amanamu, Liege of the Lightless

something something abyssal sockets

or something something abyss jewels

socket two abyss jewels in your eyes

that could be fun actually, two extra sockets specifically for abyss jewels that appear on either side of the helmet slot

each one you have socketed lowers your light radius a bit though

[barren river]

It should give 3 jewel sockets with "Socketed Abyss Jewels have 200% increased Effect"

[lilac parcel]

tujen is a bit unsure of the transport

[proud gorge]

where's the third one go

[silent leaf]

i remember having that suggestion

[proud gorge]

oh you mean on the actual bloodline ascendancy

[silent leaf]

also 200% inc effect kinda too good no?

if its 3

[proud gorge]

I mean it's costing you ascendancy points

[barren river]

Maybe he's wondering if you play DOTA

[silent leaf]

thats like what, 360 flat life on itself

[proud gorge]

for each one

[frigid wedge]

abyss bloodline but its just charms

[silent leaf]

oh

OH

so its basically 1 point per socket?

ok yea thats fair

[barren river]

*2

[silent leaf]

how does it look lmao

2 points for 3

like visual wise

[proud gorge]

like that one wildwood ascendancy probably

[barren river]

Yea

[frigid wedge]

notables replaced w sockrt

[silent leaf]

yea but its for 2 for 3 sockets

[barren river]

It's 2/socket

[proud gorge]

but personally I still like the idea of one of their notables just being "gain two extra abyss jewel sockets" and they appear on either side of your helmet slot

and lower your light radius a bit when socketed

don't say what it is, but it's implied

[frigid wedge]

u get those nodes like on scion where u allocate a circle and it gives 1 jewel with extrra benefit second on the tint

[silent leaf]

2 points for 2 socket?

[proud gorge]

that's my idea yeah

[silent leaf]

not sure if its a great trade even on 200% inc

then again voidforge players will go batshit insane with it

[frigid wedge]

what if it just gave u charm slots

[silent leaf]

im not familliar with the others besides murderous ig

[silent leaf]

GIVE ME BACK MY

+1 IMPALE

[frigid wedge]

as bloodline

[proud gorge]

anyways, let's see... previous leagues with bosses in them

[silent leaf]

GIVE ME BACK MY +2 IMPALE

I WANT IT BACK

[proud gorge]

Settlers had bosses, but I wouldn't want to have to do those for bloodline ascendancy

[silent leaf]

fuck no

[frigid wedge]

ok we take ur banners

[silent leaf]

settlers RNG bullshit

[barren river]

What bosses need a bloodline besides infused beachhead or abyssal liches?

[silent leaf]

ill go chieftain

[frigid wedge]

-1 impale

[silent leaf]

||DORYANI's MACHNINARIUM||

[frigid wedge]

no master of metal

[silent leaf]

meh ill live without it

[barren river]

[silent leaf]

no resistances is too good to pass up

[barren river]

It feels kind of wrong

Beyond bosses spawn in maps

[normal hedge]

deli aswell

[silent leaf]

actually 200% on 2 sockets abyss

[fluid harbor]

chat do i keep going

[frigid wedge]

beyond boases aren't important enough to have their own arena or location, they arent important enough for a bloodline

[silent leaf]

is a bit nuts

holy fuck

39% AS on a single jewel slot

[barren river]

go go go!

[fluid harbor]

its gone...

LOL

[barren river]

omfg I also use wee

[frigid wedge]

can we get a venarius bloodline

[fluid harbor]

i hate this game

i never win

[silent leaf]

what do you even use on that

or put

your character is now synth and cant go back to normal lmao

[barren river]

League boss, not pinnacle boss

[frigid wedge]

minions but specifically constructs

[silent leaf]

eh synth leagues

was a thing of the past right

[frigid wedge]

so is oshabi?

[silent leaf]

oshabi isnt a pinnacle tbf

[proud gorge]

before that...
Affliction is used already, Ancestor is not in the game, Crucible isn't in the game, Sanctum is used, Kalandra isn't in the game, Sentinel isn't in the game, Archnemesis isn't in the game, Scourge is in the game and has bosses without a bloodline, Expedition is used already, Ultimatum is used already, Ritual is... kind of used? I guess King in the Mist is botha Ritual and Affliction boss.

Anyways, Heist isn't used but it barely has bosses, Harvest is used, Delirium is used, Metamorph isn't in the game, Blight bosses aren't really bosses? But I guess, like Delirium, you could be awarded the Bloodline altar upon beating a blight-ravaged map or whatever it's called.

[silent leaf]

ok but what if

they added old league mechanics

[proud gorge]

Legion could also give a bloodline altar

[silent leaf]

for the sole purpose of bloodline

nah

[proud gorge]

it has bosses, but it also has 5-ways

[silent leaf]

legion with timeless jewels alrd kinda weirdge

[frigid wedge]

legion bloodline but it just sets light rad to 1% and u cant see screen past it

bc it blinds u irl

bestiary doesnt

[proud gorge]

Synth boss is a pinnacle boss so is disqualified, Betrayal is used already, Delve is used already, Incursion has a boss who could totally have a bloodline, Bestiary is used already, Abyss has a boss who could theoretically have a bloodline (even if he's quite weak), and Harbinger... technically has bosses?

[silent leaf]

problem is

[frigid wedge]

we have too many vaal themed bosses

[silent leaf]

we have too many vaal shit rght

yea

[frigid wedge]

harbinger has beachhead tho

[silent leaf]

tf is roomba gonna do

[barren river]

but that map is so dogshit

[silent leaf]

lorewise abyss is world ending no?

[barren river]

Scourge is world-ending

[hallow sky]

i wanna know the topic of discussion

[barren river]

What bosses would fit a bloodline

[frigid wedge]

meatsack bloodline when

[barren river]

[frigid wedge]

[hallow sky]

who would you like to see

[frigid wedge]

ym

[proud gorge]

Legacy isn't really a league mechanic, Breach has been replaced, Essence doesn't have bosses, Prophecy has been removed, Perandus is gone, Talisman has a boss, but he's now a map boss, poor Rigwald

[barren river]

Abyssal liches and beachhead

[hallow sky]

i hope we get rigwald in poe2

[hallow sky]

if abyssal gets a rework thatd b swell.

[frigid wedge]

i think the issue is if they add one for every league boss its an expectation of new leagues to add one to match

[hard cliff]

We have enough bloodlines

[hallow sky]

atleasstttt. the game sets a clear distinction between mechanics and their scale in a way

[frigid wedge]

but if they made a phrecia ascend themed on it there should be a bloodline

[hallow sky]

but yes the feature shouldnt checklist every bit of extra content

[frigid wedge]

eg harby

[barren river]

We need 2 more

Liches seem like an obvious target, and we can get the harbi from phrecia partially back from beachhead

[proud gorge]

Warbands are also map bosses, Tempest doesn't have a boss, Bloodlines doesn't have a boss, Torment doesn't have a boss, Rampage doesn't have a boss, Beyond has been replaced, Ambush doesn't have a boss, Invasion doesn't exist, Nemesis doesn't have a boss, Domination doesn't have a boss, Anarchy, uh, technically has bosses, it's just all the Rogue Exiles, and obviously Onslaught doesn't have a boss

[hallow sky]

also the talisman/rigwald stuff is alr fulfilled w the nameless bloodline bcuz of azmeri lore

[proud gorge]

so yeah, very few league bosses available to be bloodlined

and then of course there's Izaro, who isn't a league mechanic boss but would totally work for a bloodline boss

[hallow sky]

harb sounds most likely in my eyes but i dont think harb has enough stock behind it to warrant a rework for the sake of a new bloodline and heightened scale

[hallow sky]

emperor bloodline lel?

[frigid wedge]

wild speaker-> farrul
Daughter of oshabi -> oshabi
architect of chaos -> trialmaster
antiquarian -> olroth
harbinger -> ???
blind prophet -> ???

[hallow sky]

whos the blind prophet

[frigid wedge]

bloodlines felt like phrecia ascendancy stuff to me

[hallow sky]

ohhh

thatd be abyss then

[frigid wedge]

bc theres a lot of cross overs

[hallow sky]

yea. they also ported oover some notables to poe2 asc

[frigid wedge]

if we really wanna stretch it paladin ie similar to aul

but i dont wanna stretch too far

[weak scroll]

Hello!
im a "new" player and need a good map/strategie to lvling.
70 at this moment. Some advises?

[frigid wedge]

#1┃new-player-in-campaign-help

[sleek barn]

if you are at maps do maps

[hallow sky]

i want paladin asc stuff ported over to poe2's duelist it would be their equivalent of the tactician

[sleek barn]

if you can't do maps farm act 10 zones

[frigid wedge]

or #1┃after-acts-help

[weak scroll]

Nah, im already complete my map.
lvling a nes char.

[normal hedge]

huh

[weak scroll]

ty

[sleek barn]

if you want to make a new character and speed through campaign follow a twink character guide

[normal hedge]

id say a lv 70 character wont have enough to buy twink gear

[weak scroll]

Aklready did campaign, but want to learn to lvl a new char fast.

[frigid wedge]

but ye i feel like most of the bloodlines can be drawn back to phrecia ascendancies

[weak scroll]

I want a good next league play

[frigid wedge]

so harby and abyss make even more sense

[sleek barn]

doing campaign fast just comes with experience

[proud gorge]

so: viable targets for bloodlines:
Settlers bosses but it would suck
Heist bosses but it would suck
Scourge bosses but it would be weird
Blight but it would be weird
Incursion boss but he has a lot of thematic overlap
Abyss boss
Harbingers
Rigwald, Warbands, and Rogue Exiles technically, but would all be very weird to use
Izaro
Atziri

Also if allowing for "real" pinnacle bosses, then any pinnacle boss

[sleek barn]

and practice i suppose

[frigid wedge]

best way to campaign fast is to get used to the build u level with

[proud gorge]

also some previous league bosses that aren't in the game but could theoretically be reintroduced

but that's also kind of a stretch

[sleek barn]

personal preference but i enjoy holy relic on league start

switch off after i get the necessary currency

[weak scroll]

I think u misunderstud me.
I already did campaign relatively fast.
But I need to lvl my char on maps I think.
So I really think u guys have some strategie or prefered map for it

[sleek barn]

i just run maps

[weak scroll]

I have 10d for investments if needed.

[frigid wedge]

atziri and incursion dont work with trialmaster
scourge,settlers, heist, Blight and last list have nothing thematically accurate/mechanic Lacks a specific boss
lab is not out of the way enough to be considered relevant to bloodlines

[sleek barn]

you can do a 5 way ig

[proud gorge]

Abyss boss is possible but seems too easy and too easily accessible for a bloodline boss. Harbingers isn't really a boss at all, and Beachhead isn't at all a challenge and is also very annoying to reach. Omnitect and Atziri both suffer from overmuch thematic overlap.

I think blue lab for izaro would be fine

it's a challenge, requires some effort to access, and is sort of an endgame challenge

[sleek barn]

getting to 70 from like 62 is not hard at all just running maps

given an ok build

[frigid wedge]

oshabi and catarina are both a joke so that excuse doesn't work, and aul is a bitch to get to

[sleek barn]

just your standard alched map at the highest tier you can run without dying

[proud gorge]

my point is more that the abyss boss is accessible in like 30% of maps if you set up your tree for Altas farming

[sleek barn]

maybe shrines on atlas

[proud gorge]

maybe more

[frigid wedge]

bloodlines are more towards the thematic approach and the significance of a specific fight to a content type

[proud gorge]

Abyss just doesn't really have a real "boss" encounter, which makes sense, it was a while ago

it was before they really started doing "league bosses"

[weak scroll]

My build is "ok" now
but I have some issues with PoB.
My reference PoB if I equip only the weapon its give me 3m Full DPS.
On my own only 200k
Some help on this one?

[sleek barn]

try #1┃build-planning

or #1019646743299764255

[proud gorge]

they could theoretically do some sort of juiced up lich encounter or something

[sleek barn]

or if you post your pob in #1┃after-acts-help someone can help

as mentioned earlier

[weak scroll]

I will.
Ty

[frigid wedge]

the best way to summarise the question of it can be a bloodline is if ppl all say the same fights if u ask what the bose of a mechanic is

[proud gorge]

I still think the most likely canidates for a bloodline are Blue Lab Izaro, and of all things Blight from doing a Blight-Ravaged map probably

[umbral crag]

Nothing really.. just play and advance atlas is all

[frigid wedge]

blight has no actual boss tho

[proud gorge]

yeah but it's more of a challenge, like how Simulacrum is the "boss" for Delirium

since the actual individual bosses aren't really a "real boss"

[frigid wedge]

yes but sims still have 2 NAMED bosses

[proud gorge]

yeah but both are also map encounters

[frigid wedge]

so are catarina olroth etc

[proud gorge]

the Simulacrum is the "boss" for the delirium bloodline

[frigid wedge]

and oshabi is more of a pushover than kosis

[proud gorge]

no I mean the Delirium bosses will just sort of jump out at you while you're doing delirium like the beyond bosses lmao

the T17 map bosses don't disqualify characters because the T17s are deliberately "endgame-ish bosses"

they're deliberately shades of endgame bosses

[frigid wedge]

ok but trialmaster appears while ur dount ultis

u get warped in

but u can fight him from a scarab

but he is a named boss

[proud gorge]

if anything having a T17 boss shade is probably more of a qualifier than a disqualifier for being a bloodline boss

[frigid wedge]

ok, then we make the dude from heist no one has ever heard of from fort map a bloodline

[proud gorge]

yeah, but you understand how Trialmaster's encounter is very different from Kosis's, right? Kosis is just a guy who'll run at you sometimes and who you fight multiple times in a Simulacrum

[frigid wedge]

yes but they appear while doing their mechanic

in maps

[proud gorge]

if Kosis was a big boss who wrapped up the final round of Simulacrum as purely just a boss fight against him, then yeah, he'd probably be a bloodline boss

but he doesn't, so the Simulacrum itself is the "bloodline boss"

[hard cliff]

the game engine is the blight boss

[frigid wedge]

he gets a full screen boss bar

[sleek barn]

tbf i die to kosis in round 15 so

[proud gorge]

who doesn't these days

the full screen boss bar, that is

[sleek barn]

hes not a nothing boss

hes notable

but yes simu is a weird case for bloodlines

edge case if you will

[hard cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/gangster-mafia-boss-pet-owner-come-over-video-game-gif-14984894

[proud gorge]

sure, but my point is that notability isn't the key, it's the fact that the "boss" represents a significant "end of something" challenge

and Kosis isn't the "end of Delirium" challenge, the Simulacrum encounter as a whole is

thus, my point is that a significant enough encounter can itself be the "bloodline boss"

[sleek barn]

right

although Simu is an outsider they can introduce more outsiders to even out the playing field

[proud gorge]

and as a result, I posit that Blight-Ravaged maps and 5-way Legion encounters can be a "bloodline"

[frigid wedge]

if u can name a major blight boss i will stop disagreeing

[silent leaf]

Volume warning

[sleek barn]

5 way legion should be ok

[barren river]

Scree, the Infected

[proud gorge]

I don't even remember the name of the Delirium bosses

only reason I know Kosis is because you said his name

[silent leaf]

kosis

[sleek barn]

its just kosis and big sword man

omniphobia

[silent leaf]

lmao

[sleek barn]

i for one cannot see there being more bloodlines

what we have is enough

unless they switch some out

there are already a good amount of options and i don't really want more

[hard cliff]

Chat what do I need at dollar store besides milk and apple pie filling

[proud gorge]

I still think they definitely need to put in a Paladin bloodline, the Paladin ascendancy in Phrecia really filled a hole in the web of builds, that being "dedicated support ascendancy"

[sleek barn]

im probably biased against change in poe

[limpid prairie]

Is it an issue to have too many options

[proud gorge]

so having a dedicated support bloodline ascendancy I think would be a good addition to the game

[sleek barn]

i mean you have whichever bloodline gives you aura effect

[sleek barn]

in some ways yes

thats a me thing though

[hard cliff]

yes it makes everything pointless

[sleek barn]

for one its a pain to design the UI

for two my brain hurt

[hard cliff]

no class identity or structure

[proud gorge]

imo having too many options is only a problem if they're all uniform or result in the same or overly similar results

but that's not really an issue with "too many options"

that's an issue with oversaturation of the design space

[hard cliff]

it's like imagine if you're playing juggernaut and you could just get ci and energy shield without sufficient penalty for going across the entire tree

that would be awful balance and make the str class totally irrelevant

[proud gorge]

I mean, that's not "too many options"

[sleek barn]

i would be ok with the removal of bloodlines

[proud gorge]

that's overly broad access to things

[sleek barn]

im gettin old

i want things to stay the same

[hard cliff]

bloodlines are permanent part of the base game they aren't a keeper mechanic

[sleek barn]

yeah ik

[proud gorge]

I wouldn't, bloodlines are great, adding an extra angle for potential build opportunities in a very exciting way

[sleek barn]

this is true

[proud gorge]

but also don't force you to use them

[sleek barn]

im not saying its inherently a bad thing

[hard cliff]

can't be said in a pvp game

[sleek barn]

im just bad at making decisions

[hard cliff]

if a build is wildly more powerful than other builds it naturally forced you to play it or just feel penalised for not

[proud gorge]

I appreciate that they're broadly niche, so they're good for very specific builds that want to use their specific effects, but not so broadly powerful as to displace regular builds from the game

[hard cliff]

and in a pvp game like poe especially

well that's the lambs meow

[proud gorge]

lmao?

[sleek barn]

pve you mean pira

[hard cliff]

majority of people play trade

[proud gorge]

no Pira is saying that trade makes PoE a PvP game

which is very silly

[hard cliff]

thank you yewanchung

[sleek barn]

it depends how you view the game

[hard cliff]

it's pvp whether you like it or not

someone is always trying to fuck you over

[sleek barn]

i don't see other players as competitors

i do my own shit and call it a day

yes other players may affect what im doing but whatever

so be it

[limpid prairie]

If you get FOMO you are competing in PoE

[proud gorge]

yeah but I'd call that a personal problem tbh

[sleek barn]

im just blasting shit

getting my tinks

[split maple]

trade is only pvp when you have skill issues

[hard cliff]

this game is one of my personal problems

[pulsar dune]

The top end of trade is PVP to some extent.

But for most players it's largely irrelevant

[sleek barn]

i don't ever need to be at the top end of trade

[hard cliff]

you

[pulsar dune]

Yeah, that is for people who want to play 16 mirror builds solo

[sleek barn]

im happy with 100d in a league

[split maple]

idk man i dont have any problems with trade

[proud gorge]

it's aggressively a PvE game that just has trade in it, but it's an incredibly inoffensive trade system that doesn't act in a hypercompetitive way unless you're really trying to make it that

[pulsar dune]

Chad's trade gameplay is 100% PVP

[sleek barn]

hell i'd be happy with 0d in a league

[split maple]

except that it makes too easy to burn out quick

[hard cliff]

you have mirror gear when you play trade? In the first week?

[sleek barn]

who needs mirror gear if you're having fun with your shit gear

[split maple]

not rly, i think my fanciest trade builds ended at around mirr or mirr and half total

[hard cliff]

I'm asking @split maple who says he's beat trade league

[split maple]

i dont want to roll watchers for entire week1 fuck that shit

[limpid prairie]

Is MS grace watcher eye bad? Looks cheap

[sleek barn]

nice qol if paired with other good mods

[split maple]

its mainly used on heisters

[hard cliff]

hoosters

[split maple]

but yeah for most builds build needs to use grace and its just qol

[proud gorge]

me personally, I deliberately join leagues late, typically skip the first week, because I like playing in a more settled economy. Then I usually take my time climbing through campaign, maybe doing some rerolling, and then get to maps and play some decently consistent methods to build up a bit of money to get me into high investment mapping.

[split maple]

so kinda small market

[sleek barn]

its all about the build for me

not about the money

[proud gorge]

it's a very peaceful time

[pulsar dune]

Grace has better WE mod in the flat evade

[sleek barn]

if i have fun build i have fun thats about it

[proud gorge]

yeah

[sleek barn]

lo and behold the minimum

[split maple]

Pira i just kinda dont like how every few weeks you start a lil tirade about how trade is pvp, its impossible to make dough if you dont exploit market, hidden strats etc etc

[sleek barn]

i guess i would need a fun strat as well

[split maple]

it would be way more efficient to just chill out and play the game

[sleek barn]

im kinda getting tired of treasures blight though

[hard cliff]

I played a day late this league, made it to two void stones in trade with a very controversial sketchy build I enjoyed a lot. I dropped that and played e-blade which was so strong I got my first Maven kill with zero sweat. And then made two other weaker crappier characters after game bugs made my melee ignite Theory crafting impossible but I had fun so it's all good. Overall a good League far better than that trash necropolis but not as good as mercenaries.

[proud gorge]

but anyways, my point being, Bloodlines aren't generally generic power, and that's a good thing. One of the issues with Phrecia was how many of the ascendancies were just a ball of generic power, making them blend together and basically just making whichever one happened to generate the most generic power come out on top.

For the most part, the bloodlines are highly specific with what they do, and speccing into them is a choice, one with upsides and downsides

with, uh, one exception

the graft node

luckily that's getting removed at the end of the league

so hurray for that

[hard cliff]

yeah so true

[proud gorge]

it's also what I liked about the two more niche Wildwood ascendancies

speccing into them required specific builds, but changed how you built the characters and played the game

too bad there was also a third one that was just a ball of generic power

[hard cliff]

It's a very controversial addition adding all class ascendencies but they seem to be balanced in a way that it's just not realistic to take one as a full ascendancy . I think they could loosen up a little bit on the downsides it feels very Path of Exile too but besides that it was a risky Gamble but I think it generally paid off. I would like to see a few balance changes here and there but that's it

[sleek barn]

breach bloodline is kinda just generic power/defense

wonder if that'll change

[proud gorge]

yeah, it's easily the worst designed one

[split maple]

yea brechie needs to go

[hard cliff]

I made a typo writing descendancy now I think they should add those to the game for an extra challenge mode. Imagine playing Templar but he has memory problems cuz he's old so your spells misfire occasionally or taking Asthma as the witch so you can't use quicksilvers cuz you can't run that fast anymore.

[split maple]

it either directly competes with inquis or it gives too strong defence for like no opportunity cost

[sleek barn]

templar so pantless that he just can't use flasks

[proud gorge]

and that's probably honestly because, much like the wildwood generic power ascendancy, it probably exists entirely for the purposes of being generic borrowed power in this league

[hard cliff]

heiro and inquisitor still viable somehow

[pulsar dune]

Flask less inquis is a rip

[proud gorge]

like, that's the biggest reason I think the Breachlord bloodline is getting removed

[sleek barn]

needed the borrowed power

[proud gorge]

not because something something breach league, but because it's just generic power and that's not particularly in line with the design of the rest of the bloodlines

[sleek barn]

im not sure what i would change it to

if it were going to stay

[pulsar dune]

I do kinda like how breachlord bloodline makes you not use helicals

[proud gorge]

yeah, if there's one thing it could be changed to, it's an equipment restriction ascendancy, which it already sort of is

maybe tone it down a little bit, and change the graft one out

something something "when you have a breachlord-influenced item equipped"

and it's the uniques with a breachlord in their name

Uul-Netol's Vow stonks

[sleek barn]

login druid in poe1 where you transform into a breachlord

[proud gorge]

honestly having something where you take less damage of a type when you have a breachlord item equipped could be fine, because phys would be the most useful less damage taken to have, but the Uul-Netol items are very specific

though I guess The Infinite Pursuit and The Surrender are also uul-netol items, and they're a bit more broad

not overly so though

and giving up a shield slot on most builds would be pretty significant

[hard cliff]

LOG IN

🦌

[proud gorge]

actually the more I talk myself into this the more I like the idea

[hard cliff]

@sleek barn

I have an idea

for a mechanic

[proud gorge]

the legendary PDR build, running the "x% less damage taken of a breachlord's element for each breachlord item equipped" plus The Infinite Pursuit, The Surrender, Uul-Netol's Embrace, and Uul-Netol's Vow

stack that 4x less physical damage taken mod

[hard cliff]

X% of (damage type) you take is transformed into an aoe pulse around you every X seconds and/or x damage build up

I wonder if this exists

already

[pulsar dune]

Molten shell

[hard cliff]

kinda true

[sleek barn]

old vaal molten shell

was fun

[hard cliff]

what it do

[sleek barn]

it burst every time you took a certain amount of damage iirc

it was used in Jousis' forbidden sun build

or whatever it was called

cast on ignite loop that leveraged the fire damage taken as phys chest

[proud gorge]

I had an idea like that a while back, called it Shared Suffering

but in practice it would just end up being a more annoying RF

[sleek barn]

Shared Suffering is already a notable no?

[proud gorge]

is it?

[sleek barn]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Leper's_Alms

[hard cliff]

it's a big game

[sleek barn]

not your intended implementation

but the same name

[proud gorge]

oh hey, unique item notable

yeah that makes sense for something called Shared Suffering

my concept was on a belt called Martyr's Chains

but that's probably subconsciously copied off Martyr's Crown

[hard cliff]

multiple themed uniques are cool though

[unique silo]

how do u unlock these mfs?

[proud gorge]

but yeah, in the end the idea we came up with was, instead to change Martyr's Chains to instead deal damage in an AoE around you, scaling with the number of different ailments you were under

[hard cliff]

do we have any vector targeting skills in the game?

[limpid prairie]

We should have visual set items like it looks a bit different of you have a full set

[frigid wedge]

kill the boss in associated area

[proud gorge]

and maybe make it a body armour instead of a belt so that it could get links

[frigid wedge]

if u need lycia u need to finish a sanctum

[frigid wedge]

matching ur foils

[proud gorge]

the conclusion drawn was that a if Martyr's Chains scaled off number of ailments on you, you'd just play it with Fulcrum + Golden Rule, since those two uniques independently allow you to reflect onto yourself every possible ailment

[unique silo]

how do u know which boss it is?

[proud gorge]

the difficult part would be somehow inflicting onto yourself ignite, scorch, chill, brittle, shock, sap, and freeze all at the same time

but in practice it would probably just be to use tri-element to inflict scorch, brittle, and sap, using Skitterbots for chill and shock, and using that one unique that says all damage from hits can ignite you

or some other source of external non-reflected ignite

[frigid wedge]

because rhats what its called

[proud gorge]

then Vaal Arctic Armour to freeze

and golden rule for bleed and poison

boom, every possible ailment at once

[hard cliff]

wiki

[proud gorge]

is that the specific bloodline you need? Because yeah, that's Lycia's bloodline, she's the final boss of the final floor of the Sanctum

good luck

[hard cliff]

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Bloodline_Ascendancy_class

[unique silo]

ohh they are called bloodline. ty

[unique silo]

hopefully its not too bad. ty

[proud gorge]

just gotta learn the sanctum

[pulsar dune]

I don't think so

[proud gorge]

but yeah, if you're just running a generic sanctum, particularly a low level one, with a decent build, it shouldn't be too difficult

[unique silo]

working towards a build i saw on the tube. cast on portal. looks majestic

[proud gorge]

huh, now that's some jank

[plush gulch]

my game keep freezing and crashing

same in poe 2

it's been 2 months

idk whats happening

[proud gorge]

it's a CWDT build that doesn't loop

[unique silo]

we got till march. might as well xd

[proud gorge]

it just generates constant self-damage every server tick

[plush gulch]

here it is, it's gonna crash in a bit

[proud gorge]

like wardloop but instead of a loop you just hold down the portal key

very silly, but at the same time, I can see the vision

[unique silo]

maybe try different direct x

[plush gulch]

I tried them all and it doesn't change much, also some loading time are SUPER long

same in both game

my computer is not the problem

[ocean field]

Fellas in merc league I was able to clear 100% deli 5 risk t17, uber sirus, maven etc easily with 200% res shred merc and trickster sodjfor just 50 div + mageblood. Why did ggg remove mercs. 🙁 I miss my merc.