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[cobalt blade]

Not at all

[tranquil sedge]

ur not doing it for other attributes

ur doing it for the int that it also gives

[cobalt blade]

since ye this ^

[minor mantle]

u just use str int str dex split peronality

bro already has 500 dex

he will be ok :)

[cobalt blade]

My dude has like 500 str/600 dex off entirely clusters lmao

[cobalt blade]

Nah you go int acc

[tranquil sedge]

if u have open prefix then u can just lock suff reforge life or defence depending on ur build and then ur kinda done with the amulet

astramentis is easier but gets outclassed quickly

[minor mantle]

oh yeah fuck

this funny acc stack

[tranquil sedge]

@solar smelt we're not making fun of ur build but these are a lot of obvious things that come to mind to fix it

[barren river]

and for boots, you make double elevated tailwind

[tranquil sedge]

so dont take it the wrong way if ur just seeing a ton of criticism lol

[cobalt blade]

i dont think console has enougn resources for this

[tranquil sedge]

they're just all easy fixes
-# well relatively speaking

[cobalt blade]

Ngl

[solar smelt]

I'm not taking it the wrong way lol

[barren river]

TBH, that build felt like a meme

[cobalt blade]

that shit is difficult to essence spam into on pc and you can 100% buy out Faustus essences on pc by this point in the league just trying to hit tailwind lmfao

[tranquil sedge]

also why do you only have 6 out of 8 ascendency points

finish ur 4th lab

[solar smelt]

I hate following build guides and while I know I'd have an easier time doing thatfor this specific build I value the freedom to make what I want and put my own spin on things

[solar smelt]

Survivability lol

[minor mantle]

izaro scary lol

[tranquil sedge]

then these are the sort of things u wanna keep in mind ^ if ur going solo

always establish generic baseline of skills, auras, flasks and gear and then u narrow down from there based on ur vision

you skipped a few steps so gotta go back and fix those

[barren river]

for auras, maybe you do the wrath discipline combo?

[cobalt blade]

wrath sucks

[tranquil sedge]

you can probably find better grafts too i think

[cobalt blade]

flat lightning dam when you have acc stack boots

[solar smelt]

Oh the grafts are shit I'm aware lol

[barren river]

nvm

discipline and maybe purity of elements?

[cobalt blade]

Also precision since its not sublime

[barren river]

do you have a l3 enlighten?

[solar smelt]

The biggest Issue i'm facing at the mo is getting the survivability to get to level 84 so I won't be locked out of high tier gear.

Nope

[barren river]

they're 1d cheap

[cobalt blade]

does console have cheap lower than perfect bases you can spend a few chaos on?

[solar smelt]

I got a decent helm I believe for like 50 chaos just now

[cobalt blade]

prob worth it just to get to 84

[solar smelt]

Currently working on the chest plate

[barren river]

go for a 1.2k es t1 int twilight regalia

[gritty garnet]

you know how to craft es gear with the tree right

[cobalt blade]

gotta go for that unveiled 8% too

[solar smelt]

Yeah, issue is getting the wombgifts from ilvl 84 maps. I get merced immediately

[barren river]

tree shits out good es gear. if you get something with at least 1150 es, you can throw eldritch chaos and prayge t1 int

then, you bench 6% all

[solar smelt]

there's a bench mod for 6%

[cobalt blade]

you get it in i think ivory temple this league

[solar smelt]

Ah

[brazen vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/859205894499074079/890782693418217502/GIF-210723_195038.gif

[solar smelt]

What's the mod I need to search up a twilight regalia with 1.2k es?

[cobalt blade]

armour filters

Just set it to 1200 min or more likely 1100

[gritty garnet]

you want 86 for max tier % es but remember tree also has +itemlevel

[tranquil sedge]

hey what happens in standard league if you 'convert maps' from a remove-only map stash from a past league?

it deleted all the maps in that tab, gave me a new empty map stash for current league

but where are all the old maps?

[cobalt blade]

your non remove only map tab

[solar smelt]

yeah the only twilight regalia on console that has t1 int and the at least 1.2k es is a mirror

[tranquil sedge]

looks like this, these are maps i placed from inventory into it manually
i can't find the rest of them

[gritty garnet]

so go lower dude

[tranquil sedge]

so aim for less

[gritty garnet]

1k is fine

[tranquil sedge]

t2 int, 1k es

[solar smelt]

Because it's kinda a perfect chestplat

[cobalt blade]

uuuuh its meant to place them there atleast

[tranquil sedge]

i clicked yes through this warning, i didn't think it would delete them?

i thought this is conversion not deletion

[barren river]

wheeee

[cobalt blade]

yeah it should stop if it cant convert

[steel light]

won't wealthy exile shows them if u sync account?

[tranquil sedge]

uh

i guess i can try that

[cobalt blade]

Idt it likes syncing hundreds of standard tabs

[tranquil sedge]

brb

[brazen vector]

Farm harbingers, roll t1 % or flat yourself and fracture, spam dense for double t1, funky currency for t1 int

Easy mirror on console then

[barren river]

or tree

[steel light]

oh standard? 👀

[brazen vector]

Or tree

[stuck phoenix]

It is conversion. They're in your regular map tab

The one that isn't remove-only

[tranquil sedge]

(also doesn't sync remove-only )

[brazen vector]

What if regular is full?

[tranquil sedge]

let me check again

[stuck phoenix]

Then it won't let you

[tranquil sedge]

bro i couldn't even find my regular map tab lol

[cobalt blade]

oh funky did not know that

[cobalt blade]

It stops

itll convert until it hits a map thats full

[barren river]

tree makes giga items, so getting one isn't a problem

[tranquil sedge]

okay well i have another tab that's remove-only

i can try to convert this let's see what happens?

[stuck phoenix]

You used to be able to list from them but that was removed a while ago

[cobalt blade]

Vendor 1 go manually convert it

[stuck phoenix]

It won't let you

[cobalt blade]

And then use tab affinity jump

[tranquil sedge]

conversion is in progress

[cobalt blade]

Maybe see if it brings you to the tab with the others

lol

[stuck phoenix]

Do you have two map tabs?

[tranquil sedge]

i don't think so

let this finish and i'll see wat the heck happened i suppose

[steel light]

not every maps can be converted

[stuck phoenix]

How are you not sure

[solar smelt]

I wonder if it would be easier to just get a couple of ilvl 80 wombgrafts and farm up some blood to roll for plates hmm

[tranquil sedge]

i do not have two map stashes*.

[cobalt blade]

not with that attitude

[stuck phoenix]

Maybe it lets you if there's enough space

[tranquil sedge]

it would be easier if you do wat they said and spam a few dense fossils on a fractured int base
even t2 or t3 int is fine and settling for 900-1000 es is also fine

(assuming ur going the es route)

[barren river]

900 is doo doo

[tranquil sedge]

still better than what he has now

[tranquil sedge]

point is to get his build functional right

[cobalt blade]

^ many times better than 3k life int stacker

[cobalt blade]

holy do you actually clean your standard tabs

[tranquil sedge]

the maps from this second remove-only tab conversion are getting added to the empty map stash i found after tryna convert the first remove only tab

i tried clearing standard for a couple leagues after that i mostly just chuck tabs into a folder for that league lol

[cobalt blade]

i just gave up on anything that isnt divs/mirrors/expensive uniques lol

[barren river]

or if you feel facetious(or like pain), you make a frac chayula mod twilight regalia with double t1 and roll for t1 int

[cobalt blade]

nah you fracture 8% att unveil

chayula mod is worse than +2% int

[steel light]

i only started league 2 weeks in, when i lost all dusts to recomb and couldn't farm gold/uniques, i know which atlas set up that let me do it now, gonna stay in standard if next league sucks like this

[cobalt blade]

Ah fair enough new player makes sense

chayula one is global def

[barren river]

global defences

[steel light]

my 5/6 months old vfos is a lot weaker than my league cws now 🤣

[barren river]

mostly because vfos is awful

[steel light]

not last league, i just didn't have as much knowledge as now

[barren river]

Also, I did not notice something: WHY SHIELD?

[minor mantle]

cus dyinc sucks

[barren river]

why not double claw?

[minor mantle]

cus dying sucks

if u have enough es to not die anyways claw is great ig?

most people use double claw

[barren river]

and why dawnbreaker? seriously?

[minor mantle]

oh is this the 500 dex jug from above lol

[cobalt blade]

claw is more es less dying

(over dawnbreaker)

[minor mantle]

is this the 500 dex jug?

[cobalt blade]

ye

[minor mantle]

i thought u meant people were using shields on poe ninja or smth

[barren river]

yea

[opal ingot]

where poe1 news 🥹

[spice pecan]

not for at least a month lol

probably more

[opaque sphinx]

3 in 5 kills ez gam

[spice pecan]

massive. perhaps colossal, even

[tight plinth]

can you taunt the simulacrum bosses?

by taunt i mean redirect who theyre targetting

[leaden marten]

why cant i put stuff for sale in my merchants tab

[spice pecan]

log out and back in

[leaden marten]

didnt work

[thick goblet]

is it currency? cause you have to use faustus for that

[leaden marten]

no its any item its grey out and i cant put it in

[undone gazelle]

if its a stackable item try again in the currency exchange

[leaden marten]

its a flask

[pliant hamlet]

lol the EB CI MoM build is finally real, crazy times

[zinc stump]

Foulborn dod?

[pliant hamlet]

normal conversions to all lightning damage, foulborn mind of the council, foulborn Inpulsa(not sure why this was mandatory, skimmed the post) and aylardex

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1q91jkj/on_327_merge_we_can_use_100_mom_with_every/

you can do it in league apparently

[opaque sphinx]

damn bruh

[spice pecan]

I think that's the last build i'll put together in league if i can afford it but it's probs giga spendy

[opaque sphinx]

all teh drops at once

[pliant hamlet]

https://pobb.in/FPYtUvraynON

[cobalt blade]

foulborn inpulsa's isnt mandatory just makes reservation easier

[pliant hamlet]

honestly looks easy enough?

and ahh I see

[spice pecan]

you need 101% MoM tho right

[steel light]

can i get infinite spawns and exp if i'm doing ultimatum / stand in stone circles while i'm outside or there's an enrage timer?

[cobalt blade]

101% dmg conversion not mom

[pliant hamlet]

boy do I have a story for you

but no lol

Someone did that before and ate a 3 month ban 😄

[spice pecan]

he doesn't know

7 people ate a 3 month ban

but no, they fixed that

[pliant hamlet]

https://youtu.be/fPm8VXl3hoc?t=612 If you were curious

This is what it looked like 😄

[steel light]

*worth

[zinc stump]

Was an interesting read iks

[vital ice]

I have a problem i can't swap off Ephemeral edge trickstar I've been playing it for so long

[steel light]

"You're allowed to think outside the box but not the circle"

[pliant hamlet]

haha, the reasont hey were banned though is sharing the exploit with other people

also

some...choice quotes from empy lol

[zinc stump]

Hey i mean it sure was a quote

[spice pecan]

reddit reddited a bit too hard + the stress of constant nonstop hate for like 9 hours

[pliant hamlet]

9?

More like 48

[steel light]

different from what i meant, i mean if i just don't complete the objective

[pliant hamlet]

That was not a good first 2 days lol

[spice pecan]

i mean from league launchn up until the time he said what he said

but yes

nonstop hate in chat bc priority queues

[pliant hamlet]

mobs stop dropping loot / giving xp eventually

[spice pecan]

if you dont stand in them i think you can fail?

[steel light]

no timer from what i see, just mob spawns

[zinc stump]

Correct

[spice pecan]

idk i fucking hate ultimatum and avoid it at all costs

[steel light]

cause it's timer bar in middle bottom that increases if u stand in the circles

[zinc stump]

Can only fail by dying or leaving

[pliant hamlet]

Yeah you can stay there forever

but like every other infinite respawning mob thing, eventually they stop giving loot and xp

[zinc stump]

And quite fast

[steel light]

yea don't see myself dying unless it's ruins, was thinking did they include enrage timer

[zinc stump]

Nop

[opal ingot]

its killing me

[jagged raven]

guys whats the most complicated build in poe

[worldly wind]

flicker strike

[meager ridge]

why can I not active this?

[split maple]

prolly one of the builds in #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help with 15 damage skills

remove unwavering vision from atlas

[meager ridge]

ty

[cobalt blade]

prob some form of looper

[split maple]

Kira was cooking some wardloop based on deli flask debuff a short while ago

that looked complex af

deli ascendancy -> 90% less flask effect -> olroth flask

idk if it can work practicaly

[opal ingot]

16k ward holy moly

[tranquil sedge]

dat do be big

[opaque sphinx]

that was fun to work on, figured out some techs that make it possible but i couldn't get the budget under a mirror

[tranquil sedge]

as self-appointed treasurer of your project i am increasing your budget to 2 mirrors

feel free to go nuts

[opaque sphinx]

u can use a 6l setup with srs in the chest to drop all the "to dusts" which lets u go pretty hard on jewels and frees up a lot of options

drop the main dagger and add in squire

[split maple]

Got any more complete pob?

[opaque sphinx]

uhh gimme a sec to double check, just finished 100 uber sad guys and was writing down the loot

https://pobb.in/5IiRag2h92bt

think that was the furthest i ended up with it, not a ton further

was just messing around with skills mostly

[crystal pendant]

anyone playing Phox league?

do we still need to get approved to join?

[opaque sphinx]

never went back to it after learning the srs tech, but a guy i was talking to had a good pob for it

https://pobb.in/-ATGN9SiKfvI

this guy had one in settlers

[devout widget]

can someone help me with market place error? it doesnt show any filters and after 2 seconds gives me 'Operation timed out' error

[tranquil sedge]

screenshot

[devout widget]

Nothing shows up on the market search

no filters, nothing

[opaque sphinx]

7k chaos profit from 100 uber sad guys

48.5d

[tranquil sedge]

tried testing myself in standard league, same thing happened to me

dunno 😮

[devout widget]

im in POE 1 help 1 chat

[opaque sphinx]

thats also if u sell the bound Unid'd

[devout widget]

it works fine in standard for me, just not in this league

[opaque sphinx]

however im not going to do this cuz im dumb

[spice pecan]

wardloop, or other loopers that need to care about server ticks/networking choice etc

wardloop is the most complex build that most people would know about

[jagged raven]

is it worth playing though?

[opaque sphinx]

yeh its prob some jankroan build

[worldly wind]

flicker strike is worth playing

[spice pecan]

wardloop is not worth playing after the 3.25 nerf

[jagged raven]

oh

[opaque sphinx]

i recommend catmines

[jagged raven]

i hate flicker

[spice pecan]

if you can find a looper that somehow doesn't get bricked by temp bubble mobs, then i would say yes

[opaque sphinx]

https://poe.ninja/poe1/builds/mercenaries/character/LocoCocoa-1921/SecretOftheCatsIsMine?i=1&search=skills%3DSoulrend%2Bof%2Bthe%2BSpiral%26class%3DSaboteur

[spice pecan]

not even a 52% cdr looper can break temp bubble

and 52 is already a very unnecessary breakpoint lol

[jagged raven]

wardloop seems like a cool build

[spice pecan]

it is, but it's a lot squishier after the nerf to olroth's resolve in 3.25

[opaque sphinx]

u can do lifeloop easy too by ff assa shadowed blood

[spice pecan]

i wouldn't really wardloop for anything other than like random chill t16 walking simulator stuff

and at that point literally just play RF or DO lol

i loved my wardlooper but it has almost a thousand deaths at level 93

[opaque sphinx]

surely int

we already opened 10 and didn't hitt

so like it has to now

[split maple]

whats the odds, 1 in 18?

[opaque sphinx]

ye

[split maple]

glgl

[opaque sphinx]

no int

[split maple]

the state of unique farming

[opaque sphinx]

2 shaper cdr ones and that

[split maple]

[opaque sphinx]

hot

[opal ingot]

F

[opaque sphinx]

back to blight so i can buy more frags to go agane

i think i have ran almost 200 uber sad guys

[bold anvil]

This might be a weird question for item drops but I'm just curious; does the game roll rarity before rolling mods, or does it roll mods first then attach rarity based on how many mods are on the item?

[split maple]

1. is unique? -> select unique tier (how rare unique it is) -> select unique inside tier all same likely. if not, 2. what sort of item it is? scarb, currency, gear? -> 3. can selected category have rarity? if yes, pick magic, rare or normal. -> 4. select item base -> 5. roll it

https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Rarity

[bold anvil]

This is very useful, thanks

[spice pecan]

ghosted life regen mana donut enrage essence mob

didn't need atlas completion on this map anyway i guess

this is the tilting part about bleed bow

charge a 6 stage snipe and you lowroll on something like this = you're fucking dead

[dapper fractal]

anyone experienced with cold convert ts?

need help crafting my gloves

[opaque sphinx]

surely annul action speed

sad

[split maple]

rolling t16.5 is so ass since mod nerfs

so so ass

[opaque sphinx]

every scarab mod sucks ass dude

[split maple]

i burned 1k chaos from yesterday to today for like 10 maps with my entire regex being "!efe" "sca.*(1[1-9].|[2-9]..)%"

then exalting and prayge acceptable scarb quant -.-

[spice pecan]

you could not pay me enough mirrors to blow an exalt on some shitty ass map

[brazen vector]

poor spotted

[split maple]

blight rly likes well rolled maps

but yea prep is pain, burn like 50-100c then burn exalts then deli orb into bestiary corrupt for 30% qual

then run volatile cores on 3fps since you cannot get aynthing close to scarbs without that mod

[spice pecan]

spending 50x the time prepping the game versus playing it, is what that sounds like tbh

[split maple]

its inventories of scarbs per map

and you cannot sustain nemeses

[spice pecan]

i mean pob exists but yeah

[brazen vector]

youd not have liked alva temple farm map rolling xd

[spice pecan]

i'm on a 4060 with an r7 5800x on a watercooler that hasn't been changed in 10 years

i was not about to run alva, ever

I don't have a kidney to sell for another pc lmao

[brazen vector]

I wouldnt either in the current day and age of AI scalpers increased RAM prices

[spice pecan]

im just glad i upgraded to 32gb ram from 16 like, 8 months before the RAM crisis

[crisp plinth]

think of all the ai tools you get tho

i kinda expected itd be easier to farm the unique breach rings

but i only get gloves and axes now

[split maple]

its smh like 8% per ring

so 40% overall

dupes are the fun part

[crisp plinth]

[brazen vector]

ESSENCE WORM SPOTTED

[tight plinth]

can we get next league already

[tawdry olive]

imagine putting your finger through that

[brazen vector]

imagine putting your.... nvm

[tight plinth]

imagine putting your..

[split maple]

[brazen vector]

[spice pecan]

[crisp plinth]

i should probs finally swap to AG

[split maple]

Best part of the game is farming uul netul ammy

[crisp plinth]

but i still want a 21 gem first

[split maple]

Some Guy already finished 50 hive rings without it

[brazen vector]

in ssf?

[split maple]

Yea

[brazen vector]

damn

[split maple]

Some items rly make me happy I am not serious about unique item collecting

[whole bluff]

300 xesht?

Lieutenant*

Wait, uul'netol ammy must be worse than that?

Unless it's RNG

[opaque sphinx]

kek had 7 cards

[whole bluff]

I was looking for ignite foulborns, and all I found was the xoph bow

Which when you think it through doesn't seem better than a rare bow for BA

But the numbers still look comparable to spell. Which doesn't inspire hope

[opal ingot]

this thing is so dang rare that when i looked at currency exchange when the league was still very much alive, there were 0 sell orders

[whole bluff]

I thought div cards worked poorly with Faustus though, prolly because of bloat?

My feeling when thinking div cards and thinking Faustus is just "that's dreary"

I might be biased cuz I don't like gambling though

I wouldn't be the in early adopters in getting over the "there's just too many" threshold

[crisp plinth]

damn first soulwrest at 95 kinda thought itd be more common too

[whole bluff]

Damn

I got several of that this league iirc

And I didn't play much. Got a 6L from tree lul

[crisp plinth]

just ssf things

[whole bluff]

Yup

[crisp plinth]

got like 4 12 int acc stack claws too

[whole bluff]

Damn

Poe could really use more target farming

[tawdry olive]

The temple calls

[crisp plinth]

yeah a bit more target farming would be dope

[whole bluff]

It's giga neat that endgame is so wide and nuanced, and then there's the state of uniques...

[frigid wedge]

poe has a lot of target farming, just only for very specific items

[whole bluff]

Would feel more like a world if the uniques were nuanced too

[whole bluff]

Mostly expensive orbs, but also boss uniques I guess

[frigid wedge]

what unique tier is iron fortress

[crisp plinth]

something begin target farmable also doesnt say how accessible it really is

finding a mjölner shouldnt be a meh experience imo

[frigid wedge]

meant like, temples, beasts, timeless jewels, etc

very specific things

[whole bluff]

Yeah

[frigid wedge]

what unique tier is iron fortress btw

is it t1?

[whole bluff]

No idea, but my guess would be t2 or t3

[frigid wedge]

fair

[whole bluff]

Or t0 is the squire tier?

[frigid wedge]

kinda wanna start an ssf strength stacker

[whole bluff]

Then t1 or t2

[frigid wedge]

its def not t0

[crisp plinth]

finding t2/t1 shouldnt ever feel meh imo should make you want to roll a char

[frigid wedge]

and while i should just go for a rare body with % attributes i want dps

but i think itd be funny to play str stack kb on ssf

[whole bluff]

I know captain lance did a like 60d str stack chest craft, looked at the difference to iron fortress, and concluded it was a mistake, maybe in 3.20

[frigid wedge]

and it's all content viable anywayd

the str stack body armour is way tankier and a lot less dps

[whole bluff]

Especially with unexciting runegraft iron fortress seems giga

[tawdry olive]

i always choose tank when given the choice

[pseudo axle]

are people actually using bino's kitchen knife???????? why is it 300c?

[whole bluff]

With block above 50%, unexciting is better than normal block

[frigid wedge]

dusting

[whole bluff]

Dust

[frigid wedge]

its t0

[pseudo axle]

ah ok

[frigid wedge]

so high dust

iirc its either 1.2m dust or like 3

[whole bluff]

When iron fortress downside even has become an upside with a runegraft, it seems even more appealing vs rare chest

[frigid wedge]

yeah with unexciting graft it becomes a tiny bit harder to decide bc u get 40 block at 2k str

[pseudo axle]

I got chaos damage corrupt on it and I saw it was listed as 100d and I was like "TF!?" I knew there was no way that was real

[frigid wedge]

but crit immunity and 11% less dmg taken kinda crazy

[whole bluff]

I suppose yeah

[frigid wedge]

it might be, but implicits add more dust value

[frigid wedge]

plus u can get es and go divine shirld

so if i did it the choice would basically come down to whether or not i wanted to go for rare or try to farm blight or smth for a fort

[whole bluff]

Since people who dust binos make it rare, if someone actually wants that corrupt they suffer, and you might set the price, even though it might suck

[tawdry olive]

tbh even with a rare chest and POF sublime doing T17s on my str stacker, some of the builds i had in the past with capped block/spell block felt tankier. Block is just absurd, there's so many things you think cant be blocked but can

[frigid wedge]

yeah but theres no reason i couldnt go block anyway

[pseudo axle]

wait so you're saying I should just list it at some absurd price and hope someone buys it

[frigid wedge]

bigger question is what i would go for before alberons

[frigid wedge]

decrease it in price incrementally every 2 or so days until it sells

[frigid wedge]

like, impale maybe?

but that seems eh

[tawdry olive]

i tend to be the guy who just undercuts the lowest real listing by like 30% so my shit instantly sells and I move on

[frigid wedge]

theres no flat fire per strength wand mod with influences

if i dropped abberaths hooves i could go fire convert ig

is esm around

i feel like he would know

im poor at making low end for stuff

[gritty epoch]

You forgot increasing price by 50% each time someone whispers for trade

[tawdry olive]

"how to never sell your shit, a comprehensive guide"

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[gritty epoch]

Shit like that got us instant trade so I'm not complaining

[tawdry olive]

fr id rather deal with SSF than getting blueballed by trades that dont actually exist

[tight plinth]

ever had a guy whisper you after offering you the original price after increasing it and nobody whispered him anymore?

[frigid wedge]

wat

[gritty epoch]

Did u buy it tho

[tight plinth]

hell no

even if he said it was half off

fck that guy

[gritty epoch]

Lol

I would make fun of him and offer half

[tight plinth]

ive had to sell my shits for pennies on the dollar because i mislisted

[crisp plinth]

play it once then decide

ssf is extremely different and imo got worse the more stuff we got thats locked behind specific things you need to do

[tight plinth]

i wish i had the patience for ssf, the drops just hits different

[frigid wedge]

listed a stormshroud for 3c yesterday and just about managed to catch it

[tawdry olive]

sorry i think i gave the wrong impression here, i have only ever played SSF, all the way until this patch

i played trade purely because they introduced async

way back when i took a look at the trade system for the game and went "nah its ok"

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[frigid wedge]

crop rota?

[restive nova]

Blue then purple or purple then blue to buff yellow? or it doesnt matter ?

[restive nova]

yes

[frigid wedge]

cheapest one first

then next cheapest

then yellow

[restive nova]

thank you

[tawdry olive]

but yea now that ive actually experienced trade optimizing itll be hard to go back to SSF, trade really is how this game is balanced

in SSF i could only dream of using the right FF combo

[frigid wedge]

i feel like forbidden jewels are completely unreasonable from an ssf pov

[pseudo axle]

I'm gonna viciously undercut the next guy with that corrupt I guess and list it for 50d but I strongly doubt anyone's gonna want to buy that corrupt lmao

[tranquil sedge]

well yea they explicitly balance the game around trade

[frigid wedge]

realistically u need like 100 of them to get a random pair thats of no use

[tawdry olive]

> collects 100 FF jewels
> "FINALLY! A PAIR!"
> it's assassin deathmarked

[pseudo axle]

I yearn for the day in my 80s when Path of Exile goes open source...only for all the cabal of head-in-a-jar elite hardcore players to make all the PoE forks be Ruthless Ultra Hardcore.

[frigid wedge]

yeah

it may as well not be an item ova there

[pseudo axle]

not gonna lie, I view trade league as "employed" league and ssf as "unemployed" league.

/j

because ain't nobody got time to farm uber boss drops ssf

[frigid wedge]

just play smth that doesnt need em

my issue with ssf is def that theres no cumulative returns for heist items or whatever, u either get it or u dont

[tawdry olive]

my biggest success in SSF besides that one time i got a lucky mageblood was with the 3.24 manaman, just Kitava's thirst and you're set, honestly if you're fine with ass QOL you didn't even need it

or was it 3.25... i cant remember

[frigid wedge]

yeah i think i might do ssf just for smth to do

[tawdry olive]

absurb tankiness and like 20m damage from simple rares

[frigid wedge]

but i feel like imma spend a very long time in heist

[tawdry olive]

give it a try, it teaches you a lot

you can get by without heist too

[normal hedge]

ice nova was too funny

10m dps with nothing

[frigid wedge]

i need replica alberons

[tawdry olive]

oh right, str stacking, lmao

[frigid wedge]

ye

not sure what i would go before i got them

[tawdry olive]

ssf teaches you about the fundamentals of the game, but you're limited by what the game gives you. trade expands your horizons about what is possible with builds, having experience in both is great in general

[tawdry olive]

frostblink around at mach speed that releases balls and then hold down a button that releases more balls that fuck everything up by themselves

[silent leaf]

GGG: Hahaha let's fuck over SSF players this league by removing loot

[frigid wedge]

ye ik

[silent leaf]

Let's replace that loot with frac orbs that ssf players can't even use

Cause the fucking loot is so fucking low

What the fuck is a grasping amirite, only takes you 90 maps

[ebon tendon]

[tawdry olive]

SSF this league is held up and hard carried by the tree, its a bad state tbh. Like youre just hoping next league it gets replaced with something equally busted

[silent leaf]

Problem is

[split maple]

i wish only 90

[silent leaf]

Tree doesn't fucking shit out currency

[tranquil sedge]

and then u roll the wrong grasping mod

[silent leaf]

[tranquil sedge]

go agen

[tranquil sedge]

thats ok the maps also don't shit out currency either

[split maple]

my main issue this league is chaos sustain for rolling maps and scarb sustain for scarb farm

[tranquil sedge]

sit twice - ggg

[silent leaf]

Yep

[tawdry olive]

true, if you're wanting to progress beyond the bare basics and trying to cook your own gear, you're cooked
the bench doesnt care about your drop rates, 2 div is 2 div

[silent leaf]

Like frac orbs is fucking raining from the tree

But that's it

That's all the loot

[split maple]

like i wanted to farm scarbs today but i am now sitting in ultis since i ran out of chaos to roll maps since they bloody pain to roll even if you fine with all mods due to fucking mod nerfs

[silent leaf]

[normal hedge]

bring back abyss hoards

[split maple]

just bring back that lil bit of mod effect needed to sustain nemeses at least

[tawdry olive]

ive always maintained that when the devs balance for SSF everyone is happy, and i think people realize that too
but you cant ask for that though, otherwise you get shutdown with "trade game"

3.26 was so good because you could self sustain

[tranquil sedge]

that didn't mean it was balanced around ssf

[split maple]

3.25 was kinda good balance wise

[tranquil sedge]

it still was not.

[split maple]

like edifice and evo alva were overperformers for sure

but 3.25 state of the game - i miss that

[tranquil sedge]

if you balance around ssf you will have people quitting faster than ever

[tawdry olive]

yea i mean, it was all unintentional

[tranquil sedge]

in general they don't care about ssf, but when u have a nice trade league going its just really funny how coincidentally ssf also ends up being

and also really funny coincidence whenever trade league goes to ass, so does ssf

that's the only conclusion ggg will draw from it

pure coincidence, nothing more

[tawdry olive]

yea, my point is basically "the game is in a good state when SSF is a fun experience"

not really that you should go full last epoch and trivialize it for the trade side of the equation

[tranquil sedge]

and that just ends up boiling down to 'dont nerf the fuckin loot'

[split maple]

kinda fun how ssf is just one person economy so if trade is good it can also be good

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

last epoch is idk weird about it

[split maple]

just much more susceptible to bad level of juice since you dont have economy rebalancing round it

[tawdry olive]

last epoch trade is balanced purely by inflation lmao

because there's a gold cap

[tranquil sedge]

they have the whole trade bazaar but then why the bullshit resonance nonsense for trading items directly between players?

[tawdry olive]

the good items cost more than the cap

so you have to farm that shit yourself anyway

[tranquil sedge]

like if u want to give shit to someone u should be able to give shit to someone

doesnt matter who when where why

just dont fucking restrict trade in a trade league

not that hard a concept honestly

and yea they have their whole cof guild but ultimately it just ends up being worse off for their game's health (imo)

coz it just means its easier to do things so people quit faster

maybe that wont be true after a few more years if they add enough content that it won't take too little time to do all the things

but that's a while off i think

[gritty epoch]

Last epoch bad

[tawdry olive]

tbh if you build a single player game (not live service), around the idea of the CoF, it can be great

[tranquil sedge]

its kinda like poe2 for me
i do wanna try it...but im also not dumb enough to play it until at least a few years pass

[tranquil sedge]

they really should have just done that

the grim dawn model

[dreamy charm]

i hope they remove some of the bad mods in t17 next patch... i hate t17

[gritty epoch]

Remove t17

[tawdry olive]

yea i think they got backed into a corner with backer goals or something? to introduce multiplayer and trade, i cant remember

then they bit off more than they coudl chew

[split maple]

give t17 mods back their juice

[tawdry olive]

and were losing money even with their most succesful patch ever

[dreamy charm]

i was going to play pohx pl but the i remembered all the t17/16.5 pedal powers bs and logged out

[tranquil sedge]

and not enough focus on making money i think

not shilling their mtx enough

and from wat ppl complain about, not high enough quality stuff either

[gritty epoch]

They shouldn't give offline singleplayer and also their mtx shop is really poor

[dreamy charm]

also there was no core pack maybe it returns this year

[tranquil sedge]

not sure why that should stop you from enjoying pohx league, t16.5 exists and like half the t17 mods can just be ignored by most builds anyway, its not like t16 mods are particularly easy lol there's enough build-bricking mods there too

and if even t16.5 is not fun just don't run either

not like u make zero div/hr in t16

[split maple]

t16 mods are worse than t17 prove me wrong

[tranquil sedge]

they really are lol

[tawdry olive]

id say i got my money's worth at least

[tranquil sedge]

especially after the changes in 3.27

[split maple]

main issue this leg with t16.5 is that they are unreasonably hard to roll since mod nerfs now

like if you want 140% scarb quant gl

[opal ingot]

yeah

[gritty epoch]

Game hour judgement thing is partly why ppl pad their games and waste time

[opal ingot]

they should be minimum 6 mod everytime you roll

[tranquil sedge]

drowning orbs are less aids with the runegraft now
volatiles can be tanked now
elder slams were never an issue anyway coz u had to be not paying any attention at all to die to them, just they need to make them continue offscreen
reduced recovery - can't hit 100% breakpoint anymore so doesn't matter
totem mod - who's playing totems?
action speed mod - still not enough to brick slower hitting builds, and if ur a faster build can always just roll over the mod
etc.

most mods are pretty easy, or u can build around them, or u can just roll over them

every build should not be able to run every mod its honestly good

[tawdry olive]

no kidding, just from a "what do the mods do" perspective a lot of T16 mods are very binary
"oh you just cant regen now"
"oh you just cannot leech now"
"oh you cant inflict ailments now"

T17 mods are ass in a different way, they feel like ass especially action speed ones, but they're doable

[split maple]

doesnt warp made drowning orbs worse

since they kill you faster

[tranquil sedge]

it used to

3.27 fixed that

it was a patch note line

[split maple]

oh lol didnt notice

[opal ingot]

yeah i recall that patch note

line

[tranquil sedge]

i think the outright stupidest t17 mod is the deal no damage mod

like you can't build around a 0% damage multiplier lmao short of just building recovery and tanking but then ur making no progress at all for 30% of the time literally

[split maple]

yeah they can remove that one

[tranquil sedge]

yea nobody will miss that one

[opal ingot]

not to mention depending on how your build works if you hit while in that 3 second zdps your pc cries for help

[tranquil sedge]

in general map mods are supposed to be difficult but 90% of builds ignore like 80% of mods anyway

and the few you gotta watch for or just roll over are okay honestly

lol

[split maple]

it doesnt even have good juice

[tranquil sedge]

yea they nerfed all the t17 mod rewards too this league

'balance'

[split maple]

you know if your entire regex is 100%+ scarb

you still need like 20-30c per t17 and shitload more for t16.5

[tranquil sedge]

[split maple]

now to roll 30 maps thats like 1k chaos

have fun in your choice of harb/ulti/sanctum

and this is one issue trade wont ever notice

[tawdry olive]

im blue badabee

very true, because you just go on trade and buy corrupted maps

with the exact mods you want

because people just drop them

[split maple]

i wish i had supply of 8mod t16.5

[silent leaf]

That's what I said this morning lmao

[tawdry olive]

i have a bad feeling about harbies this league tbh, people are using them for general scarab farm because of the number of rares, feels like GGG are gonna screw with that

[tranquil sedge]

they will in terms of chaos to div ratio

[split maple]

but like i rly dont mind each of these issues separately, what annoys me as fuck is that i just want to farm a few chimerals, from which i am blocked by lack of herd scarbs, from which i am blocked by lack of chaos to roll scarb farm maps...

[tranquil sedge]

they're only doing it because other strats were gimped

if they undo the nerfs to other strats then harby isn't op anymore

and also undo general map effect partially at lesat

[silent leaf]

[frigid wedge]

harby isnt op anyway

[tranquil sedge]

^ i think kira said he was making ~20d/hr doing harby

that's really not even close to op territory at all

[frigid wedge]

blight is the only thing that is disproportionately strong rn

[tawdry olive]

yea that aligns with my own calcs

[split maple]

harb is good div/map but horribad div/hour for scarb farm

[tawdry olive]

20d/h or so, self sustaining scarabs

[split maple]

and rather annoying to roll maps due to laging more than nemeses

[tranquil sedge]

other things are disproportionately weaker compared to blight rather i'd say

[tawdry olive]

in general this patch its hard to go above like 30d/h
the only time i managed was when finding a gap in the preservation scarab prices so i could essentially risk+awakening+doubling for much cheaper when yellow juice was still sky high

[split maple]

you got blight, ephemeral allflames and thats pretty much it for generic juicing

[tranquil sedge]

awakening kinda tied to yellow price tho i think you can run that basically whenever you want as long as no other strats are eating it up

[split maple]

cata+inscr ulti is prolly profit, containtment as usual

[tranquil sedge]

yellow went up to ~1/2.5k div now in league

its going up again slowly

[frigid wedge]

honestly i can very much see ggg not improving loot anywhere and just preventing invigoration scarab from overlapping

and that being the entire update for 3.27

[tranquil sedge]

sadly that does seem very much like something that might happen

[frigid wedge]

3.28*

[tranquil sedge]

on the bright side my steam backlog is not lacking whatsoever

skipping 3.28 would not be the end of the world if it looks like a shitty league for endgame 😄

and one more league with no temptation to look at supporter packs wew

[frigid wedge]

yeah i just want poe to feel good again

the only dopamine rn is effectively making ur build forcibly output it

[opal ingot]

inb4 ggg doesn't touch it next league

[frigid wedge]

they probably wont

[opal ingot]

id be so pissed

[frigid wedge]

unfortunately

unlike poe2 there were no riots about it

so they do not care

[tawdry olive]

its because, for better or worse, a lot of players never reach the part of endgame where what we are talking about becomes relevant

[frigid wedge]

why would anyone want to, theres nothing extra to do

[tranquil sedge]

the bigger issue is all the passive agressive toxic positive 'just enjoy the game' bullshit that comes with it

its fine if ppl play casually like who is anyone to tell someone they're wrong for how they play

no wrong way to play but some opinions are just wrong

[split maple]

second t1 in ulti today

unique farm

[tranquil sedge]

nice boots

ur luck with corrupts is rly good

[split maple]

ooh they duped too

[tight plinth]

one for each foot

[split maple]

680k dust at 19% qual

[split maple]

i just wish i got good corrupts on good items

still my fave vaal temple drop this leg

[tranquil sedge]

nice

[tawdry olive]

i got a double corrupt monastery bell from a vaal temple that i sold for like 50div or smth

vaal temple is a very funny thing

[frigid wedge]

i feel like i should make a new build

but like

eh

theres nothing other than beasts i need a new build to run

._.

technically juiced blight is smth my build doesnt do well but it does it well enough to complete most of the maps now

with es on kill

[crisp plinth]

hive glands used and didnt end up getting my rings

scammed

[tawdry olive]

im just playing pohx league for practice

got to red maps in 16 hours... slow ass

[frigid wedge]

i was gonna but i rlly cant motivate myself to

i got to act 4 in 4h

[tawdry olive]

i should really hunker down and watch imexile or smth

like how they 2stone in 5 hours

i feel like im doing something fundamentally wrong besides just not being as good and efficient

[frigid wedge]

yeah i don't rlly understand how they do that

me literally just travelling between doors in zones takes more than 5 hours

[tranquil sedge]

every time i tell myself that

every time i procrastinate

[frigid wedge]

i never tell myself that

[crisp plinth]

same its a game not my job

[tawdry olive]

what 1 league of trade does to a mf...

in SSF i used to red maps in like 4 days or smth

[frigid wedge]

im just lazy and 3 days for me is around 10h campaign anyway

[gritty epoch]

are you a godgamer tho

[frigid wedge]

oh poe ninja actually registered my pohx league char

https://poe.ninja/poe1/profile/SansShoto_-1609/character/SansShotoTinCan

fun

i should rlly go back and carry on w that

[brazen vector]

that server has an interesting tag

[proper snow]

hello everyone, looking for some advice...I was given an entire penance brand gear, gem, and jewel setup, guy was using the build to farm ubers. Same guy also gave me most of the int stacking jugg gear jewels and gems. I'm a new player, only played my first character so far this season, cold dot elementalist. I've seen the stacking jugg builds in action, rediculous map mobility, unbelievable damage... BUT it took me 600 hours to bring my first character to level 100. it was grueling. I hated it. I really dont want to do that again, and i'm not sure how so many people do multiple characters so fast. I thought i could farm ubers with my build, but im not skilled enough for my mediocre build to carry me. I'd like to have a functional build, farm ubers finally, and actually run some good income strategies. Ive tried lots of strats, and dont seem to be able to break 1 divine per hour income, try as i might. And i've been trying VERY hard.

so! can i adapt to the penance brand setup to a witch character and easily farm ubers like he did? or am I way too far away from the passive tree points that really made the build work? The guy said he used the "old man" character, but not heirophant. He was doing confirmed 34million dps to ubers, 210mil dps to 12mod mobs. that sounds awesome to me.

Thank you for your advice

[frigid wedge]

can i just point out the act 3 weapon

[frigid wedge]

its on inquisitor

[frigid wedge]

and i probably wouldn't take an inquis setup to witch unless its for sanctum

you don't need lvl 100

most ppl get 95 and stop levelling

[brazen vector]

sell one of the gears to boost to 100 via 5ways, ezpz

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[proper snow]

Which build do you think I should start new with?

[gritty epoch]

no requirement mentioned, RF it is

[proper snow]

the int stacker jugg seemed to have insane mobility, damage, and defenses, only downside was cost, and much of the expensive items were just given to me unexpectedly

[gritty epoch]

2 mirrors to start

[silent leaf]

Sure is

[frigid wedge]

rf

[proper snow]

oh i mean what character do I choose to level with that turns into either inquisitor or jugg

[silent leaf]

If it looks flashy, then it will be pricy

[frigid wedge]

you don't

[silent leaf]

No

[frigid wedge]

if ur new you dont play a build with complexity

[silent leaf]

https://x.com/i/status/2010095560133312627

Cat TikToks (@CatTikToks)

X · Jan 10, 2026, 9:05 PM

[frigid wedge]

you play something simple that is easy to understand

acc stack jugg and pbrand are not simple builds

and neither is cheap

[gritty epoch]

pbrand can be cheap imo

[proper snow]

Okay, so i dont know how else to say it...I was GIVEN the items.

[gritty epoch]

l;evel with slams

[proper snow]

Like i ahve multiple mirror setups from both builds

[frigid wedge]

so go look at a guide

or ask for his pob

[pseudo axle]

would you guys upgrade from regular headhunter into foulborn headhunter, or just save for a mageblood?

[tawdry olive]

jugg? RF chief EZ

then respec

or earthshatter zerker if you feel confident enough not to need an answer for every question

[proper snow]

so chief turns into jugg? haha well i do like to be informed and learn as much as possible

[silent leaf]

Mb

Just put 2 fucking

Res flasks

And go CI

[pseudo axle]

why would I go CI when I'm slam dude

[tawdry olive]

ok if you're at this level of knowledge itll be hard to make sense of the builds you're trying to pilot even with all the gear given to you tbh, i wish you luck

[silent leaf]

Slam kinda dogshit after 50d or so investment

[tawdry olive]

but yes you can respec into any ascendancy of a marauder

[pseudo axle]

I'm at like 100+d invested lol

I'm just hyper tuning this character for the fun of it

my axe alone is 55 div

[silent leaf]

Insert joke "play 3-7 says of slam and swap to CI and do 8 mod + 1 risk"

[tawdry olive]

why u calling me out

ok tbf i swapped to msoz, no CI!!!

(then i swapped to CI

[frigid wedge]

icl i rlly rlly hate the ppl that give new players mirror tier builds

[silent leaf]

Cause that's fucking the entire game since 3.25 lmao

[frigid wedge]

like, here guy who doesnt know what ascendancy is on which class, have a build that is completely unnattainable for u that will forever warp how good u expect ur other builds to bf

[proper snow]

I mean its totally different knowledge

just because i dont know all the ascendencies and characters doesnt mean i havent learned a lot about how things work in other ways

[tawdry olive]

this is basically "do i like headhunter or mageblood?" it kinda depends what you wanna do
if you just wanna headhunter more then the upgraded one with cull and compass is strong, but you'll just be doing headhunter things

[silent leaf]

Tbf I rather just run 3 inspired learnings the free ones on cluster

And call it a day

Instead of HH

[proper snow]

Im currently playing a charactera nd build that i have to play OUT OF MY MIND skillwise, so I think i can handle many less abilities with a MUCH stronger character.

[frigid wedge]

yes but if u lack that much knowledge i highly doubt u could make a multi mirror build and it warps ur expectations for other builds

[tawdry olive]

i just tried a headhunter build, feels more like you're playing the belt than a build, wouldn't do it again tbh

much more of a mageblood person

[proper snow]

ok so the reason I'm here is to get some direction on my learning path for these new builds

[silent leaf]

Just put 3-4 of these in a cluster

Since cluster doesn't fucking give radius for some reason

And you have ur headhunter

[frigid wedge]

plus its a giant motivation loss when u try to play another build and go from 100m to 2b dps, down to about 3

[silent leaf]

While running MB

[tawdry olive]

wtf....

lmao

[silent leaf]

That's what ppl been doing these days lmao

[frigid wedge]

so, yes it is a poor choice to give new players hyper expensive builds

[silent leaf]

This sentence is god forbid they turn into another berth

[frigid wedge]

lmao

[proper snow]

i mean imo its even more of a motivator, because Id have real experience understanding why the builds are worth working towards.

[silent leaf]

Bro fucking got taste full power Fross

And now comparing LIFE BUILDS

To it

[jagged raven]

i hate when people outbids
started from 144, it went to 161

[ocean field]

poor

[frigid wedge]

knew a guy in settlers who dropped a mirror, made zenith, tried to play smth else and it felt bad and i havent seen him since

[proper snow]

I feel like you are stuck on a previous step, me being given the items. I have some crafting knowledge, I understand its mostly luck and income and perserverence to craft any item once the methods of crafting are selected. what complexity do I need to learn?

[ocean field]

once you play high dps builds switching feels shet. I had a tough time even adjusting to non coiling whisper builds

[frigid wedge]

giving ppl the experience of ultra high end builds or a ton of currency without them understanding how long it takes to accumulate it is a terrible idea

[plush gulch]

yo I was thinking trying the temporary league so I was looking for a build. How is this gem ?

[frigid wedge]

how the build works, where to put things, what it actually does, why certain things are in it

[plush gulch]

i didn't play keeper of the flame

[ocean field]

yeah this is me 2 leagues back when I got handed a bunch of stuff and thought it was easy to replicate it this leauge. Got cooked stopped playing league

[silent leaf]

why i play duelist or marauder since 3.14

cause im afraid of all of these

lmao

[jagged raven]

did u guys make divs easily previous leagues?

[frigid wedge]

and crafting is never select one method and just do, every craft is multi layer

[ocean field]

yes I was milking harvest money

[frigid wedge]

bit easier, hence why this one is demotivating

[ocean field]

this league is absolute dogwater imo harvest prices are 66% lower which makes it kinda dissapointing to even farm

[frigid wedge]

experiencing stuff that is good and then finding out that is a luxury u wouldn't normally have id one of the worst feelings in the world

[silent leaf]

me when game is alchemical knowledge

[frigid wedge]

its like if u let a blind person see again for 2 days, and then made them blind again

[silent leaf]

BERTHU

[frigid wedge]

it feels absolutely awful

[proper snow]

idk, i probably have a different brain than you.

Except its not like blind seeing. I'm a fast learner.

[tawdry olive]

running abyss edifice in SSF i was doing 1/2 divs per map almost guaranteed sometimes more, its very different this league

the reason it matters is because the metamod benchcraft is 2divs .doesnt matter what the economy is like, 2div is 2div, so poverty leagues feel very bad

[ocean field]

crafting for me is recomb gamba till I hit 3 prefixes and then I just roll or exalt suffixes

[jagged raven]

well i agree with u on this 100%
as my coc fross feels so weak compared to my rf
and if i want to switch to another build i have to farm so long its quite annoying

[silent leaf]

< spends gold for shipments instead of recombing

[frigid wedge]

no, ur the new player that has just been given the shit so u think ooh yippee free shit i didnt work for, u haven't gotten far enough to experience the negatives of the experience

[jagged raven]

damn i must be playing on the worst league lol

[ocean field]

lowkey yes

[frigid wedge]

honestly coc fross heavily out scales rf p fast

[silent leaf]

anything does

lets be honest here

[frigid wedge]

tru

[silent leaf]

unless its CWS

[ocean field]

yeah idk how ur fross lower damage than rf

[frigid wedge]

but coc fross especially

[silent leaf]

RF is just turtle mostly

[ocean field]

I league started rf trickster

was not bad imo

[proper snow]

So my advice is what, sell all the stuff, continue to hate how shitty my current character is, and just fizzle out on poe?

[jagged raven]

i think the two jewels that auto spawns golems will significantly make a huge difference but its so slow to farm currency
like im still farming divs to buy awakening now then i have to start farming 200divs gonna take quite a while

[silent leaf]

#1┃build-planning ig

kek

[frigid wedge]

ur gonna fizzle out regardless, im complaining about the person who gave u it

bc its the best way to make someone lose interest in poe

[jagged raven]

no the dmg is good but for clearing map and tankiness its a little bit worse

[tawdry olive]

yea its hard to relate if you havent had many leagues of experience or have never played to the very endgame.
there's barely any difference pre 4 voidstones between leagues

[jagged raven]

i sometimes die to the harvest enemies with coc but not on rf

[proper snow]

okay, but i'm trying to explain that my brain doesnt work that way, and it has literally rejuvinated my excitement for the game and given me new goals

[ocean field]

tanking is low? tf how

[silent leaf]

if ur CI and have less tanky than a life build that isnt CWS or FRoSS

ur doing smth wrong

[frigid wedge]

sure try it, just don't expect the next thing you play after it to feel good

[jagged raven]

im not saying the build is bad
i made it like few days ago

[ocean field]

ah I see yeah u need lot of attack block to not get cooked

[jagged raven]

i think i have less atck block as well on coc

[silent leaf]

as long as its not these 3 lmao

[frigid wedge]

if u expect other things to compare to it at all with ur current ability to make currency u will lose interest, if u stay aware of how long it takes to put together the build u have been given and how much effort it takes then ur more likely to stay interested @proper snow

thats probably the best way to do it

and try and use the experience to motivate u to learn how things work, not just to keep playing without much knowledge, motivate urself to learn how things work

[jagged raven]

what do u consider very endgame?

uber boss farm?

[frigid wedge]

high end currency strats

[silent leaf]

8 mod + 1 risk 16.5

or

BLIGHT POG

[jagged raven]

never playing blight

[proper snow]

I mean i do appreciate and I think i understand your perspective. I do think i've experienced a good portion of how difficult the crafts are, in my build i've been trying to craft several items, and the mods just wont roll. Its been really tough spending hundreds of divines and having nothing to show for it, and character still sucks

[frigid wedge]

cold dot doesn't scale very well tbh

[proper snow]

yeah i really enjoy understanding how things work

[silent leaf]

also

yea Valdo

[tranquil sedge]

in my build i've been trying to craft several items, and the mods just wont roll
if the items u were trying to make were like that chest you asked about in crafting advice then its not that much of a surprise lol

[frigid wedge]

its good for starting but the late game scaling is very poor

[tranquil sedge]

that chest was probably getting close to mirror tier

[proper snow]

i mean, even alteration spamming for a single mod has taken 6000 rolls so far, so like...

[tranquil sedge]

wat mod

[silent leaf]

WELCOME TO POE

alt spam is the way to craft

[frigid wedge]

ive spent 310 divines using the prefixes cannot be changed bench craft this league man

6k alts is free

[frigid wedge]

on one item

[proper snow]

yeah i have a focused amulet, demon crown, and that chest i've been chipping away at

[split maple]

i just burned 1k alt-aug-annuls on fucking flask

didnt hit -.-

[grand stratus]

Yo guys, does anyone have an Arena Master to share? On ps

[tranquil sedge]

there is no league in which making a bunch of divs/hr is particularly difficult

difficult is only like usually once ur trying to push past the 10-20d/hr mark

that range is kind of trivial in almost any league

-# except maybe kalandra we dont talk about kalandra, or maybe expedition too but that was before my time

[proper snow]

yeahi think i'm 70 div deep on the helmet, 30 div on the chest, 60 div on the amulet so far, and my shield which i would be doing differently if i did it again for better es and block, took 120 div.

[tranquil sedge]

for the kinda gear you're trying to make, again, if its on par with that chest kind of difficulty, its not a lotta divs

if u said the chest cost u ten times that number it still wouldn't be terribly surprising if u went for that exact one

did u end up posting a pob at some point btw about ur t17 issue?

[split maple]

What you cooking pbod there?

[tranquil sedge]

yea lets have a look ^

[split maple]

+4 focused is a particular sort of pain :/

[tranquil sedge]

i really hope they undo the heist amulet change lmao

[jagged raven]

how much divs did u guys make per hr previous league?

[split maple]

This craft is same as before

[tidal estuary]

for fuck sake

[split maple]

It's noninflu if it's the one I am thinking of

[tidal estuary]

start Sanctum floor 2

[frigid wedge]

ok i go for while

[tidal estuary]

2 out of 3 initial rooms are Battlegrounds

the 3rd room leads to 2 other battlegrounds rooms

[split maple]

Time to practice ku4 😄

[normal hedge]

essences was at least 60d/h last league for example

[proper snow]

oh yeah i basically was just not going for it, I've been doing mild mod t17 all yesterday. I sometimes die once or twice, but its been pretty smooth going. I just think I was trying mods that were too hard like 3-5x damage or low block chance or aura reductions

[tranquil sedge]

usually start at a few div/hr single digit and then by the time im farming t16s casually its at least 10d/hr minimum, sometimes up to 15d/hr depending on league/strat
after pushing to t17 its anywhere from 20-30d/hr

and i dont run any difficult strats lol at all

im never farming 'meta' stuff i just farm what i like

[normal hedge]

( 2 months in )

[tidal estuary]

and then i got to a room, that leads to a single room, which also leads to 2 more battlegrounds

[tranquil sedge]

u can make money doing whatever you want lol

[split maple]

Like once you get used to battlegrounds you are ready to be scared of fireball corridors

[tidal estuary]

in total, 6 battlegrounds seen on Floor 2

this is insane

[split maple]

Which one is doing you issue, lasers or meteors?

[tidal estuary]

both of the battlegrounds i was forced to play were the rain of fire or whatever they are

[tidal estuary]

to be fair, i dislike both

[split maple]

Don't turn on rf in meteor rooms and don't move needlessly

[tranquil sedge]

if u ran alva or abyss last league u were probably making 40-60d/hr or more
the high end is always high
but the low end is also always relatively high like nobody in this game is going to fail to make working builds when u make double digit divs in t16s

(or even earlier if ur doing things like t6 essence or beasts in scoured maps or heist farming etc.)

[split maple]

Like they are Just practice :/

[tranquil sedge]

div/hr is never ever going to be an issue for people
the issue is them not knowing wat to do for the div/hr which u only learn by playing and asking questions

[plush gulch]

do you have a home made build that "kinda work" that you try to revisit often ? @tranquil sedge

I was curious

i can't keep thinking about my tiger build lol

[livid quarry]

poe2 has more loot than before while poe1 loot got nerfed

[tranquil sedge]

i dont really play enough leagues for that to happen, i dont really repeat builds

[livid quarry]

its deliberate

[proper snow]

yeah its been 6000 rolls and I only hit all skill gems once, but the cold added removed craft failed (for the highest chance of rolling +cold skill) so i've been rolling ever since

[tranquil sedge]

isn't temple a bit of an overcorrection there right now?

surely thats not gonna be the long-term value there once it goes core?

[normal hedge]

poe2 loot is a happy incident, dont think ggg tested 77 room temples at all

[grizzled lily]

late in the league i was doing 50 divs per h with harvest

[split maple]

Ouch

[tranquil sedge]

for +1 alt specifically there's other ways to do it too

i think theres a fossil combo + annuls right?

[split maple]

Not on ammy

[tranquil sedge]

oh

[plush gulch]

if it demotivated a lot of people that's what matter

[tranquil sedge]

ammy.

[tranquil sedge]

what demotivated who :o

[plush gulch]

idk you talk about temple poe 2

[tranquil sedge]

o

yea the undo to the nerf was expected

either u nerf everyone or u nerf no-one lol you can't half-ass it 😂

[grizzled lily]

poe2 loot was crazy this league, but its poe2 so it doesnt matter

[plush gulch]

oh I thought we were talking about the temple themselves

[normal hedge]

nerfing the poors was the funniest move ever made

[plush gulch]

how crazy the loot was

[worldly wind]

rolling +1 all without scripting and breaking tos is kinda insane

[plush gulch]

not the nerf

[tranquil sedge]

i was laughing my ass off

[worldly wind]

casual one in 3500

[tranquil sedge]

almost definitely not intended but they can't do anything about it midleague at all

[plush gulch]

true im nto mad at ggg, totally demotivated me I stop right there

[jagged raven]

what! damn that sounds super fun

[plush gulch]

it is what it is

[tranquil sedge]

why'd it demotivate you

the nerf u mean before they undid it?

[proper snow]

what is breaking tos? script you mean like to roll the mod for me without me clicking?

[jagged raven]

1 day of farming and u couldve made a new build next day then

[plush gulch]

because most of what you did, do is a joke is you don't want to joiin in on the new meta

[whole bluff]

I thought it was incompetent to pull the ladder up behind people and expect people to not flip

[tranquil sedge]

the only macros allowed in poe are 1:1 macros - one input ,one output
things that forcibly stop u rolling or automate the process etc. are a no no

so you can rebind a mouse wheel scroll action to a click for example (a common popular example) but u can't rebind one scroll action to say 150 clicks

[plush gulch]

@tranquil sedgeanyway I was thinking giving the temporary league a try ! I skipped keeper of the flame due to burnout

i leveled to 68 and stopped

[proper snow]

oh okay, interesting. I've just been single clicking with the item in stash, and having keywords make the item illuminate when the mod pops up

[tranquil sedge]

was it really that bad? im not trolling, asking for real

usually when one thing shits out specific kinds of loot and everyone farms it, other things go up in div/hr to compensate that give loot that you don't get from the meta method

e.g. in 3.23 affliction everyone was farming raw uniques and mirrors and divs from affliction, so things like t16 harvest and t16 harbinger and essences were like 40d/hr with little effort, because affliction did not drop those things

[tranquil sedge]

go for it, ssf-lite experience

[tranquil sedge]

like isn't farming that abyss monster for omens strat supposed to be good there

or wat about ritual

the loot u get from those things, they're not complete overlaps right, with temple?

[normal hedge]

to get the expensive omens from abyss you gotta lure them out of the fog ICANT

[tranquil sedge]

mf culler for godtouched modifiers 2.0

[normal hedge]

and its like uhhh what is it called in poe

the demons

i forgot

beyond

[plush gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KEQVap4q7jw

idk if you played poe 2 yolu don't see many ting

[tranquil sedge]

no i know just how busted temple is for sure

i just mean whats the div/hr doing other things, disregarding wat temple's absolutely crapping out? 😮

[normal hedge]

its like beyond, who they follow is determined when you open the map, so its like 1/3 to roll the good one

[plush gulch]

in normal gameplay

[normal hedge]

instead of per abyss

[tranquil sedge]

lmao

[plush gulch]

from what I hear maybe something like 10 ?

while this it's 50 maybe 100

from what ppl say

[tranquil sedge]

i see

[plush gulch]

and the issue of not having a divine sink it worsen the problem

inflatation shot up even faster than usual

basically I bought a very expensive unique for 34 div maybe two week into the league

it shot up to a mirror

when I quit

2 or 3 weeks later

[tranquil sedge]

wat unique was that

was it something meta

[normal hedge]

temporalis

[plush gulch]

golden charm

[tranquil sedge]

the wolf or whatever one its called?