2┃build-planning

[uncut bay]

that's an ascendancy, you were talking about a skill

I think shaman will be the most popular followed by PF

[magic pier]

warrior just got 250 passive nodes to play with lol

[still rock]

yeah specifically toxic growth herald of plague pf

imo

warrior is fine

[uncut bay]

shield wall is great, idk about other mace builds though

[still rock]

games in a much better state across the builds vs 0.1 or 0.2

[magic pier]

the drowning child should be Chayula monk

frfr

[still rock]

chonk is still awkward yea

like why whats the point lol

so much flavor for nothing

[uncut bay]

in terms of balance 0.4 will be much better than 0.1 ofc

but still very unbalanced and I had so much fun in 0,1

[still rock]

0.3 was pretty good balance wise, there just were some clear speed outliers. and rhoa is dumbz never shouldve happened in the first place

[uncut bay]

0.3 was less balanced than 0.1 if you disregard mobility

[still rock]

also ppl are less comfy playing something out of build guide territory for poe2

i disagree, player count =/= balance

[uncut bay]

I mean the build damage and tankiness, 0.3 had way higher numbers

in 0.1 I have heard about some spark build with 1 million dps, it was like a legendary build I wasn't even sure even existed

meanwhile 0.3 = 12 million spark dps or whatever

billions of damage on the lightning rod and comet lol

[still rock]

i see balance as what % of skills/builds can comfortably do all content rather than counting the few that are way off the high end in scaling, but thats just my personal perspective

the sandbox is better, basically

[uncut bay]

fair then, the 0.3 maces were much better

[tulip fog]

i really hope they can release all the new supportgems tomorrow before the patch hits so we can have some time to adjust out builds

i am hoping there will be some new supportgems that can benefit a cold caster build

[harsh fern]

is there any place i can see updated ascendancy classes?

[autumn egret]

What build should I go for campaign if I plan to be aurabot for my group?

I think an entire full respec would be expensive first day or 2

[leaden yarrow]

who has the fastest campaign?

PF?

[eternal pilot]

Thats just dex/int? How is that the same as needing 3 stats. Going from a pure int side into hybrid dex isnt really that hard. You usually run ES on deadeye aswell cause its so easy and gives alot of ehp

[uncut bay]

lightning arrow, shield wall, essence drain @autumn egret

storm lance + explosive spear is great too

[leaden yarrow]

alr bet you tha goat

[small niche]

Anyone planning a spell casting shaman ? How it lookink ? Apocalypse seemz pretty good !

[autumn egret]

Thanks. From memory I think an entire respec is too costly and I'll brick my build when we start maps

[uncut bay]

even without farming gold you will be able to fully respect after campaign

that is, if you don't gamble and don't waste gold to buy a lot of currency

[autumn egret]

I never gamble

Because I was thinking bleed/spear ritualist in campaign then respec auras for mapping

[uncut bay]

rake bloodhunt is strong for bosses

[autumn egret]

Yea! And I like blood boil

Maybe I do that instead

[uncut bay]

do an aura bot if you like the playstyle and the build btw, not to farm more divines

[autumn egret]

I do both. I'm support main in LoL

[uncut bay]

if you split the loot evenly you basically get less loot

the damage dealers would have to pay you for your services so you can make more money than solo

[fleet blaze]

so stormweaver gonna be very strong eh?

[uncut bay]

fire storm got a huge buff, but you can also limit stack and just spam orbs of storm, through cast on crit they will trigger spark or ark

I doubt stormweaver will be insanely strong or anything, but should be at least averagely strong imo

[fleet blaze]

i dont do spark. what about ice stuff?

[uncut bay]

comet recieved a huge buff, frost darts consume infusions too, so

frostbolts always solid

[violet grove]

Anyone out there whipping up some "walking storm" type builds? I wanna be spamming thunderstorm and plants, I think, at least. It's awkward only in that I'm not sure what to focus on damage-wise. Lightning? Physical? Thorns?!

[uncut bay]

but keep in mind stormweaver was one of the weakest ascendancies, they buffed it by a lot now

[fleet blaze]

yea i did cold comet frostbolt last season https://poe.ninja/poe2/pob/12086

didn't like my survivability though

[uncut bay]

yaay hi fellow frostbolt player 🙂

[uncut bay]

no snakepit 🙁
frostbolts are cooler with snakepit

and it didn't really make sense to not stack life in 0.3

[fleet blaze]

link yours?

[uncut bay]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/exvp0j5w

[chilly steeple]

SO I am horrible at theory crafting and such. Horribly indecisive. I want to look into playing Chronomancer or Ritualist this upcoming patch, but can't decide cause I don't fully know what would be good for either. Anyone have a jumping off point for me to look into?

[uncut bay]

sure, for spiritualist you would need a unique attacking weapon with a very low damage, tangletongue is a great example, once the weapon has high damage you kill the whole point of ritualist

[magic pier]

ehhh

[uncut bay]

and then chronomancer needs some abilities with cooldown, for example flameblast on solar orb

[uneven elbow]

Will you guys start with shaman or oracle?

[chilly steeple]

Okay that makes some sense. I know that lightning is usually king in the prev leagues, is that expected to still be the case?

[uncut bay]

shaman, go shaman

[uneven elbow]

I was gonna go shaman but oracle looks very interesting too. Cheating travel nodes and totem node seems great

Im worried the hybrid style will feel tedious. If its seemless it will be amazing

[uncut bay]

tbh I think it just so happened that the best builds were lightning damage, lightning is the best ailment, but for example spark was simply much better than other spells. spark will be strong in 0.4 I suspect, lightning arrow will be strong, lightning spear will be strong, storm lance etc., sure

but it doesn't mean there are no strong fire and cold builds

[uneven elbow]

I love the idea of buildup then spender and normally play warrior like classes in rpgs

[uncut bay]

okay you are the second person who said hybrid, do you mean spells+attacks?

[uneven elbow]

Yes

Rage = spell power node for example

[uncut bay]

but why? I am just curious why would anyone want to scale both spells and attacks

[chilly steeple]

Im going to try for fire this time, cause I always play lightning. Looking to do chrono. Any spring board you suggest?

[uncut bay]

you get what, 20% more damage from your rage?

[magic pier]

Ritualist is very versatile, i wouldn't say "having a high damage weapon kills the point of ritualist", i think that's a bad take in fact.
Ritualist is a class you pick when you just want to care about your gear, it was great last league because the crafting was incredibly easy to get into
compared to other classes it has weaker passives to make up for having an entire extra equipment, the floor is lower but the ceiling is just as high.
basically any weapon works with this class due to most of the power being on the extra gear slot so it'll be a good class to play with the new shapeshifting stuff, or quarterstaves, or bows, or any other stuff.

i never player chrono so i can't give you opinions on that.

[honest ether]

Tree still isn't live?

[uneven elbow]

You get more rage with shaman and you also get rage cost for spells iirc

[magic pier]

tree not live for 16 hours still

[uncut bay]

well flameblast with solar orb maybe, since chronomancer reduces the cooldowns, no other build comes to mind

[honest ether]

Ridiculous

I thought itd be datamined by now

[magic pier]

and even then we'll have to wait for the dataminers

[honest ether]

Look at poe ninja fireball builds for chromomancer

Firestorm looks very good this league as well

[magic pier]

datamine what lol
we don't have data to mine

[uncut bay]

if you played let's say bloodmage or lich I would say ember fussilade, fireball, if you played stormweaver I would say fire storm

[honest ether]

Ya I meant like I thought the update would've rolled out by now and they'd be able to datamine new tree

Sorry I am not articulating my words right

[magic pier]

until the servers close and the update can be downloaded we can't get at it 😔

[honest ether]

Makes league starting totally blind

I do like it but it means druid players will make it to endgame later than others

[uncut bay]

if your weapon has 600 average damage then whatever flat damage you get on your rings will be pretty small compared to that, ritualist barely does anything in that case compared to say amazon
when your weapon has 60 averagea damage each ring will give you way more damage than the weapon, then ritualist suddenly becomes strong

[slender furnace]

Because people dont understand why its a shit idea in poe

[uncut bay]

I think it's just roleplaying

[uneven elbow]

You have no idea what is coming. Volcano could scale with both phys and spell dmg för example

[slender furnace]

It is, and just very casual people...but when you tell them its bad, they just get mad and defensive

[honest ether]

Imo its for aesthetic, cant you use the helmet that counts attack dmg scaling for spells?

Wrong reply rip

[slender furnace]

You know we've seen the gem right?

[faint folio]

Do triggered spells consume infusions? If I had cast on ailment spark for example could it utilise cold infusions?

[slender furnace]

You still just scale spells then

[uneven elbow]

Hence for example. Any non spoiled gems 🧠

[honest ether]

If u pick up one yea u should b able to cast the fireball comets if u do CoC comet

[slender furnace]

It doesnt matter. Idc, you can play some hybrid build but its going to suck and you will be zdps

But you do you

[uneven elbow]

You could run totems and shapeshift and benefit from it too

Lol are you ok

[honest ether]

Wym? Why cant we use the rain spell with the rain traveling spell and then vine spells with the wolf for both the enhanced nature and the cold buffs?

[slender furnace]

Yes bud. Im fine. Just because I'm being honest with you doesnt mean something is wrong

[slender furnace]

Do whatever your heart desires

[uncut bay]

to play spells you need like +10 to spell skill level, if you get so much + to skills you will brick your attacking amulet, if you use crown of eyes you brick your helmet which could otherwise give you tons of ES/evasion, with 24 weapon set skill points you can only get your 24 spell passives meanwhile a proper spell build might have over 50 offensive spell passives etc.

[slender furnace]

Ty all for proving my point

[uneven elbow]

You’re being very hostile for no reason. I made no claims to playing a hybrid build, I simply stated your argument has no ground since you don’t know everything about what’s about to be released

[slender furnace]

Bro me saying trying to scale spells and attacks is bad...is not me being hostile

[uncut bay]

triggered spells consume infusions yes

[honest ether]

I asked a why, didnt get mad or anything. I used crown of eyes during 0.2 for autobomber blood mage and was 5 man carrying vs arbiter and xesht?

[uneven elbow]

Comes across as pretty passive aggressive don’t you think

[slender furnace]

No, that's me not wanting to argue with people that dont want to listen. I literally said this exact thing would happen and here we are

[uncut bay]

it works in the early acts, in the endgame it stops working if you are only scaling your attacking damage

[slender furnace]

How do you plan to scale both attacks and spells without being zdps

[honest ether]

Fair point but I only see an argument maybe vs pinnacle I think literally anything can work mapping

[slender furnace]

Are you scaling spell levels or attacks? Spell crit? Spell damage? Attack damage? You're going to have a mish mosh of bs stats that just make you generally weak.

[uncut bay]

the opportunity cost is kinda high on the crown of eyes, you still have to collect all the spell damage passives, I used crown of eyes with that focus that gave spell damage based on your spirit on my invoker, I would never use it without that focus myself

not to mention you sacrifice the helmet slot, you become much less tanky

[honest ether]

Based on spirit?

Im not sure what focus that is the only one I've used it with was rathpith

[uncut bay]

I don't remember all the unique item names, the more spirit you have the more spell damage the focus gives

then you have some really big amount of increased spell damage which translates into attack damage with the crown of eyes

[uneven elbow]

Thread?

[uncut bay]

yes

[magic pier]

i think you are focusing too much on what builds have ritualist as the best ascendancy to do them.
just because ritualist can more easily make bad weapons work doesn't mean you should.

[uncut bay]

to be fair, they can still equip wand+focus on the second weaponset with a lot of + to spell skills, cast speed and spell damage and just invest into crit chance and crit damage instead of investing into attack damage on the first weaponset

[slender furnace]

Ritualist is good as a second build when you have actually good gear. Shit league starter imo

[uncut bay]

yes I am just talking about what builds would spiritualist be optimal for

[honest ether]

I'd have to agree

Its a nice reroll ascendancy

Once u have money to take advantage of the stronger nodes on it

[uncut bay]

okay maybe if you have 120 flat damage rings ritualist could be fine with a high damage weapon, idk

[pastel nova]

ok so I still do not understand how exactly weapon swap points work and I am suspecting pob does not either
would I be able to allocate the final node in the cluster using global skill points?

[uncut bay]

you are still better off doing an amazon or a deadeye

[slender furnace]

Ritualist is definitely cracked once you have good jewelery

[honest ether]

No

[pastel nova]

alright

[uncut bay]

sure, amazon and deadeye are cracked more 😄

[honest ether]

The main path bridging to it has to be global for that

Then u can grab side nodes as weapon set

[slender furnace]

Nah, I think at very high levels of gear ritualist probably better

[pastel nova]

yeah yeah it's just that pob for some reason lets me do it

[uncut bay]

you select different weaponsets on the tree and put points into them, usually the second weapon set is for curses, shock magnitude, single target or AOe damage or something like that

[uncut bay]

just look at the main streamers, fubgun went deadeye, conner went amazon, I haven't seen anybody go ritualist

[honest ether]

I mean is that in radius of like a jewel that let's you connect them all without being attached to ur main tree?

[uncut bay]

they even made a tier list and put ritualist in some low tier

[slender furnace]

League starters

[honest ether]

Cuz that'd be the only explanation ig

[slender furnace]

Its a shit league starter ascendancy

[uncut bay]

no, I mean very late endgame in 0.3

[pastel nova]

no that's just how pob works apparently it's not correct

[uncut bay]

actually, maybe ritualist could be strong with widowhail

[slender furnace]

You can literally watch lance, fub, and cat talk about it in their tier list...not every streamer is going to play every ascendancy each league

[honest ether]

I think most people doing druid should go shaman and change ascendancy after trial of chaos

I think shaman the one that gives spirit for missing charms

Should help people clear campaign a lot quicker

[pastel nova]

I think that needs open slots though?

[wraith palm]

If you put the global point on the first node of the that little tree that would work

[pastel nova]

(not like that's hard)

[honest ether]

3 slot belts or even 2 slot not that hard

Yea

[slender furnace]

What ilevel do 3 slot belts drop though

First ascendancy is at what like level 20? I can't recall

[honest ether]

Yea around the 20s

Roughly 24

2nd will be 35

[slender furnace]

So really depends when you get 2 slot belt.

Tbh though I wouldn't even bother

[honest ether]

I mean free 40 spirit would be nice regardless pretty sure u can immediately get a 2 slot belt at min.

[slender furnace]

Yeah its not bad by any means for campaign. I personally just wouldn't bother for like 15 levels or whatever

[fiery sky]

do we know what atziri's rule unique skill does?

or any wild guess lol

[graceful wraith]

doesn't one of the quest rewards give +1 charm slot?

[fleet mountain]

Yes, the A2 quest where you find the Kabala Clan and Sun clan relics if I am not mistaken

[spice marlin]

Any good lazy builds? I'm never sick of doing undead but I'd love another one to few to none click builds

[carmine flicker]

doedre damning was it, idk if it will survive path

also druid look like it will be good summoner I guess

+120 free spirit is good

[silver anvil]

so some of the most cracked defensive layers now are these, I guess?

• amazon with stalking panther + ghost dance
• witchhunter with sorcery ward + evasion stack (hyrri's ire probably)
• shaman with avatar of evolution + cloak of flames (probably really good with an es layer and barkskin)

[carmine flicker]

shaman is good, 30% less ele damage taken is.. actually good

[silver anvil]

ele is whatever, poe2 doesn't actually do as much ele damage as poe1, so although it sounds really good it's not quite the same
the phys conversion, however

[carmine flicker]

there is also lich with eternal life and atziri disdain for effective 27% less damage taken

[silver anvil]

oh cool yea

[carmine flicker]

ele isn't w/e really, bosses still can oneshot if you are not defended enough

but yeah, less problem than POE1 "600k ele in your face"

[static plinth]

Hold up

Doesnt Align Fate allow for an INSANE autobomber

[celest oxide]

New sorceress ascendency enters the chat

What is Align Fate?

[static plinth]

Oracle skill

The one that shows you visions youre meant to copy the spells of

But iirc in the content reveal it does the damage

It has a very low frequency of spells, but im thinking EDC avoids that primary downsife

[cedar aspen]

They’ve tried really hard to incorporate talismans arsenal in both ascendancies haven’t they. Theres both increases and damage boosts for spells and then nodes to suit attacks for melee and/or both

[carmine flicker]

oracle is insane autobomber, ye

and CoC build too

[carmine flicker]

idk, both look like mostly caster ascendancy

[cedar aspen]

They have a couple of caster related nodes in each but these could also be easily used for most weapons tbh

[carmine flicker]

nothing weapon specific as far as I can see

but some spell-specific

you can make even melee lich, but, well, lich is still caster ascendancy

[static plinth]

One that doesnt have bad single target either it seems , since during boss fights you can just actually copy the spells for some big damage

Unfortunately they shadowdropped Varashta and now i have to decide between two instances of peak

[stiff hinge]

is there an updated poe online tree anywhere

[static plinth]

No

[carmine flicker]

and scaling both spells and attack with always be less effective than scaling one thing unless there are INSANE benefits to go both

[static plinth]

We dont have tree til update drops

[stiff hinge]

sadge kk

im going varashta 100% though

[static plinth]

Minion stuff should be mostly unchanged

[cedar aspen]

I’d argue that with Shaman, going both rage nodes definitely suits talisman playstyle for offence with both spells and melee

[carmine flicker]

also it doesn't copy channeled spells etc so you can just leave comet there and let it "be a comet" every so often

[stiff hinge]

i actually wanted to see the bottom of tree if it changed atlal but idk

[carmine flicker]

melee don't need second rage node, like, at all

melee have easier time gaining rage without it than with it

[static plinth]

We saw that during the content reveal. We dont know what changed but the changes seemed very sparse

At least on yhe actual formatting half

Numbers might be dif

[cedar aspen]

It doesn’t but it’s a huge damage boost to melee regardless. And with it generating passively it’s easier to get that damage boost more often. And just as easy to scale rage with nodes on the tree too

That also means one less support to worry about for melee for gaining rage (rage 3)

[carmine flicker]

it adds rage cost
(not instead, but in addition to mana cost)
you will literally have HARDER time sustaining rage with it

[cedar aspen]

If that’s the case then sustaining rage anyways before the node has always been simple to do anyways. Via the tree, via jewels, via gear

[carmine flicker]

exactly

sustaining rage isn't a problem for melee, unless it's sloooooow slam melee

will need to see new nodes to decide if hybrid playstile worth it, but from ascendancy alone.. no. just go caster
or skip caster nodes and go melee, why not

[cedar aspen]

It’s also up for debate wether that rage is a flat 5 rate or wether it will scale with support gem cost multiplyer

[torn mango]

There’s a new Sorc ascendancy?!

[carmine flicker]

it most likely will

[plush rain]

#yep

[carmine flicker]

yeah, there is new sorc ascendancy
not one I will ever touch myself, but it could be good

tbh most interesting things are those oracle-specific nodes..

look like I will need to lvl druid just to see them

[cedar aspen]

Is it one of those hidden ones?

[cedar aspen]

If you’re deciding to go oracle anyways you’ll be able to see what they are without selecting the node

[carmine flicker]

I know, but I don't know if I want to "go oracle anyway"

I like the other one more so far

30% less damage taken isn't a joke

[neat breach]

this with the djinni stuff

[cedar aspen]

Then if you’re not on a rush I guarantee others will go oracle and you’ll see for yourself soon enough anyways

Think il be joining you with Shaman. Reactive and avatar of evolution do look good defensively

[carmine flicker]

avatar is huge, ye

[cedar aspen]

Very curious to see how runes across the board will change with Wisdom of the Madji

[carmine flicker]

that too

and 120 free spirit

120. free. spirit

[celest oxide]

I wouldn’t say it’s free

I think the opportunity cost of that is higher than people give credit for

[summer pasture]

Definitely not free, plenty of great charms you give up for it

[slender furnace]

charms are so good

[carmine flicker]

idk, I played till 94(and league drop) without charms last league, I forgot they exist
killed all pinnacles and all that without

there are great charms, ofc

[slender furnace]

you fucking up doesnt mean charms arent good lmfao

[carmine flicker]

didn't say they can't be good
but 40 spirit is way more power than charm

[slender furnace]

hard disagree

[tulip fog]

uhh, so.. does this mean i get instant recharge start?

[carmine flicker]

charms are semi-unreliable and defensive
spirit is both 100% reliable and can be offensive

[slender furnace]

you do you. I think that node is trash as you can get spirit from gear. Maybe for some minion stuff, but other than that i think that node is useless once you get even a bit of gear

[west wharf]

i mean there's other ascendancies that give spirit with way lower downside tbf

infernalist, invoker, tactician

not saying shaman has no validity

but the penalty is pretty severe

[west wharf]

base recharge delay not final

[carmine flicker]

infernalist need to stack life(and then reserve it), tactician doesn't give spirit(well, I'm looking from minion player perspective tho)

and invoker doesn't work with sceptres at all

[west wharf]

yea i mean like i said, shaman has its own niche and validity

i don't think it's a garbage node by any means

i just wouldn't call it free

[carmine flicker]

infernalist main weakness is inability to go CI, like "lol no"

also kitava give huge spirit now, but "only white armour" is severe downside

[still rock]

base

login

[carmine flicker]

well, it's "free" in terms of no requirements for it. you gain that node, you have spirit. no need to stack anything, get perfect eva/es body, no nothing
120 spirit from act2

minion player dream

even extra 80 spirit is 2 extra frost mages "just there" and it's a lot of power

[tulip fog]

🙁 cant add it as custom option in PoB to test what the result would be

[west wharf]

i mean u can math it easily enough

base recharge is 4s

u got it down to 1s

.25 of 3 = ~.75s

[tulip fog]

ah, so it'll only reduce it by another 0.24 seconds? then its not worth it

this one does look tempting though

[nimble zinc]

My question with Djinns is how do you treat it? Is it a minion build that you cast or a caster build that scales with minion stats?

[cedar aspen]

Hold up. New tree is out?

[unreal sierra]

in gameplay probably more of a latter

[nimble zinc]

There is no additional Spirit to gain on the ascendancy, so do you stack some Arsonists and scale Kurzahn with those?

[static plinth]

You either build self-cast and let Ruzahn do his own thing or build minion and spam the commands, i think

[tulip fog]

no, the node i posted screenshot of is from the new sorcerer ascendancy

[nimble zinc]

Do the abilities of the Djinns scale with their respective elemental damage clusters like a Socerer spell would?

[cedar aspen]

Oh I see it on the news my bad

[static plinth]

They do not

[carmine flicker]

it's like.. 6-8k armour-equivalent at best

[nimble zinc]

I think I may just try Fire Djinn with Arsonists and Command Skills and go yolo

[static plinth]

Its funny Sacred Rituals is so bad when the node before it is insane

[carmine flicker]

8k armour will be ok against like.. 1k hits, but not against anything that could actually do good chunk of damage to your 15k pool

[static plinth]

Its better in combination with Barkskin but still meh imo

It could be 100% and id still probably not take it

[carmine flicker]

barskin?

[tulip fog]

my ES with the focus thing would be around 10k

[carmine flicker]

yeah, it's 6k armour

[nimble zinc]

I can use Fireflower for scaling damage and a staff should get me to level 30 Fire Minions right there.

[carmine flicker]

it's like.. nothing

[static plinth]

Have you not seen it

Gives you armour equal to the ES lost in the past 8s

[carmine flicker]

it's new spirit buff?

[static plinth]

iirc at least

yeah

[carmine flicker]

hmm, that's actually rather good

[static plinth]

Doesnt work with self damage though

[carmine flicker]

ok, it's not good

I was already thinking infernalist loop builds..

with losing like 5k es per second for 40k free armour.. ehh

[carmine flicker]

-1 recharge is applied before or after all the increased/reduced mods?

cause having 0.1 recharge delay would be.. interesting

[nimble zinc]

The Water Djinn also gives you an instant recharge start button

[static plinth]

Before

Its to the base recharge delay

[carmine flicker]

12 sec cooldown
6 second with support

[nimble zinc]

I wonder how far you can lower the command skills CD on those guys

My biggest concern with the Djinns is Boss Damage

[static plinth]

Boss Damage seems fine with Kelari's Judgement

[nimble zinc]

My heart is telling me to yolo this and figure it out later rofl

[shadow blade]

Not sure im getting the new sorc class well, feels like the three new companions for it feel a big fragmented

[nimble zinc]

Its definitely an interesting class

[shadow blade]

With the druid there seems to be so much synergy across everything and you can seamlessly switch between them and combo around

Can you mix and match with the new sorc?

[bold oxide]

kelari stuff seems sweet. how do you go about scaling it though and what skills would you use yourself alongside, and how would you scale those?

[carmine flicker]

it's.. "I don't have enough buttons on my skill tab" class, too many active skills

[shadow blade]

The water goddess has a skill that explodes chilled grounds that does an insane number, like 50% more than comet

[nimble zinc]

You can take as many if the Djinns as you want but to unlock all the skills you can only get 2 of the 3

[shadow blade]

On a 5 second cd with base 12% rate

[shadow blade]

Ah okay I see. So you mix and match with them, I see

[nimble zinc]

The cooldowns is what Im wondering about how much we can mitigate it

[shadow blade]

Then it sounds far cooler

[mint summit]

How does spending ascendancy nodes work here? You can spend 4 to get to and fill out one of the djinn?

[carmine flicker]

5 sec CD is a lot, really
you can rain 15 comets in those 5 seconds

[shadow blade]

The assassin sand one seems really good too

[shadow blade]

The rest of the class cds are the same or higher tbf

All the other companion skills are in the same vein, some are like 12 seconds e.t.c

[round escarp]

Is spark the only real spamming skill with fast cast time?

[nimble zinc]

There are Command Skill minion nodes already that exist that increase command skill damage by 20% each

[carmine flicker]

doedre's daming curse

[nimble zinc]

And I know one lowers the Cooldown

[shadow blade]

Ember fusilade pretty fast no?

[carmine flicker]

can't "spam" ember

it won't ever deal damage if you spam it

[shadow blade]

I guess not, what is the outcome of spamming here? Just more damage or is there a proc youre trying to hit

E.g im trying to find a build that maximises ignite refreshes on enemies to build up glory for the new spear of solaris paired with all the new bear skills

[carmine flicker]

yeah
now you clicked 4 command buttons or w/e with 8-12 sec CD
now you have 6 second to.. idk.. actually use main skill?

[round escarp]

Skills cast on 4 second window for the fire attach guy

[shadow blade]

Bare in mind those are just thr companion skills, on top of all the other sorc skills available

Lowkey it would be hilarious to go ice strike witch and then proc the water djinn that explodes chilled ground

[carmine flicker]

yeah, but you already need to build/spend infusions and all that on sorc
do you really want to add extra 4 buttons to your piano?

[carmine flicker]

yeah, passive attack that apply exposure is good, even with 4 sec cd

[shadow blade]

Maybe for bosses

Not mobbing

I think my league start smith cocaine bear will have a lot of buttons anyway

I saw a comment mentioning druid really executes GGGs goal of having more combo oriented gameplay and boss fights that feel more engaging rather than using one ability to nuke (even if a lot of people will hunt 1 button playstyles) and I agree completely

The pounce druid stuff with wolf and then still being able to use volcanoes whilst doing other insane stuff looks really cool

Really excited to try wyvern stuff, what I saw from levelling it didnt seem that good and looked more boss focused for end game

[balmy ocean]

kitava?

[carmine flicker]

idk, I like my "1 button to kill them all" builds

[placid night]

sheesh the djinn witch looks awesome

[shadow blade]

Yea

Kitava fire attach no longer costs mana and scales up to 200% spell damage too

[carmine flicker]

it's sorc

[placid night]

that

[round escarp]

I wonder how well it's going to perform at endgame

[shadow blade]

Kitava im definitely rolling first

[placid night]

it looks awesome

[shadow blade]

I went from having no builds i really cared to try to like ten lol

[carmine flicker]

spell on hit kitava node is still "slap detonate dead, solve clear, that's it"

[shadow blade]

Nah you can do living bomb for fire infusions then cast on ailment for comet with fire infusions attached

[carmine flicker]

other fire spells need infusions and shit to not be trash tier and it's hard to get infusions on kitava

[carmine flicker]

yeah, that kinda works

[shadow blade]

And new glory oriented skills and rage oriented skills resonate nicely

Hence why I said it'll be a lot of buttons bahaha

And the new unique Talisman... I need that

I fear its price though, hope its under ten div

[carmine flicker]

GGG really hate one button builds and they said that POE1 will be dropped sooner or later
combination of those 2 things is sad

[round escarp]

I think I have an idea. Spam a bunch of sparks to get like 20+ casts in 4 seconds. And then the fire dinin will hit for 200% more DMG

[carmine flicker]

unless you shoot yourself in the foot there and gimp your damage those sparks will do more damage than jinn attack

[round escarp]

You're right

[shadow blade]

If my plan goes well I'll have a the djablo esque balrog stomping around doing huge ignite damage, generating a shit ton of glory, spamming living bomb and fire comets, rampaging some more, exploding volcanoes with slams and generating rage to spend, then throwing hammers/ spear of solaris every 4 seconds

[carmine flicker]

I mean, cool combos are cool.. but cool=/=practical, sadly

[shadow blade]

Considering end game I might disagree

Cool and unpractical works because I hit end game and either want to create a new character or stop playing

[carmine flicker]

idk, I want to find most efficient braindead build, push to 95 or w/e, kill all ubers while watching cat and petting anime and quit

[shadow blade]

I feel you

[carmine flicker]

(same as my POE1 goals for league, really)

[shadow blade]

Some leagues im like thst too

Other leagues I want to really experiment and try something different and get into the technical and mentally spreadsheet simulator

[carmine flicker]

I always play spreadshit simulator

[shadow blade]

Othrr leagues I just afk youtube maps and smile every so often when I see a divine

[carmine flicker]

I mean, what else to play in poe? POE?! thx, but no

poe isn't game, it's testing ground for true game called POB

[shadow blade]

Might still be LA Deadeye

Actually probably pathfinder with its buffs tbh

[carmine flicker]

all my builds were "original content"

not other people's guides

[shadow blade]

That new Talisman unique man

Its not s good idea for me to build entirely around it but its so cool

[carmine flicker]

yeah, 5% global defense per travel node is huge

[shadow blade]

Oh nono I meant the new form

[carmine flicker]

new form?

[shadow blade]

The fury of the king new unique talisman

[carmine flicker]

talisman give no ES afaik sadly

can't use focus with it

[shadow blade]

This

[carmine flicker]

and losing 400 base ES is such a sad deal

[shadow blade]

Ih yeah im sure its not BIS but for coolness its S+

Just to stomp around

[nimble zinc]

Do we know about ignite and burning damage as a primary damage source this patch? Is Burn viable?

[shadow blade]

Plus 5 gloryevedy 2 seconds with smith of kitava getting 110% glory generation at max

[carmine flicker]

yeah, that's big glory gen

[shadow blade]

Its still meh but the Talisman i linked avrually looks like it scales ignites pretty nicely

700 raw fire damage is kind of crazy honestly

And converts phys to fire

[nimble zinc]

Yea thats a big boy weapon I think

[carmine flicker]

ehh, coolness is for those who look at screen

[shadow blade]

I always do

Unless its grenades

Then you squint

[nimble zinc]

I wonder if the Sand Djinn's critical support is going to fully enable Crit Scaling for minions

[shadow blade]

Might be decent. Incinerate got new rework too to be more of a huge burst damage ability too

[carmine flicker]

I wish I could build immortal autobomber and never look at screen except to pick loot

[shadow blade]

I think base ignite is still really inferior honestly to shock

But the new abilities and unique changes might give it a better chance

[carmine flicker]

you look at flicker strikes?

[shadow blade]

Idk for sure but wyvern seems to scale pretty hard with ignite focuses

[nimble zinc]

Thats why I tell people if GGG listened to the players all the time that would be the entire game

[shadow blade]

Yeah thats chaotic

[shadow blade]

Im glad they're sticking to their vision

[nimble zinc]

Ill have to keep an eye on Ignite

[shadow blade]

If they listened to us every season righteous fire would be the build and nobody would care about a druid announcement

[carmine flicker]

well, I still want RF in POE2

[shadow blade]

I think a veil ability thats slightly nerfed would be fun yeah

[nimble zinc]

If the players had their way we would have 1 map, that map would be Gorge, and all of the enemies would explode in one shot and all the loot would fall at your feet and you would leave

[carmine flicker]

I'm too, in a way
cause it's always fun to do my thing "despite" it

[shadow blade]

Yeah its fun to work around things

To be rebellious and be lazy is fun too

[carmine flicker]

but the moment the game would REALLY be like they vision, nothing broken, all require combos etc I will quit I guess
nothing to do there anymore

[shadow blade]

Very interested in this though

[round escarp]

Well I know what build im playing. Tornado druid

[shadow blade]

Damage potential is insanity

[carmine flicker]

if you reduce cooldown to one second or so..

[round escarp]

Also I think they made some changes to spell totems in that their charges go to you.

[shadow blade]

And have a way to spread chilled grounds

[round escarp]

Because he said the totems self sustain once placed

[nimble zinc]

Looking at that new Ascendancy for 50% of focus while using a staff. That seems really good if you have a GG item for that slot. Say you are running Minions, you can get something like +1 Minion Skills, 100 ES, 20% of two resisted, and whatever else. Is that worth an ascendancy?

[shadow blade]

Only real way rn is via hits through ice strike and other martial weapons

[carmine flicker]

like.. why bother with setupind "2 comets worth of damage with 5 second CD"?
just.. CAST COMETS

[shadow blade]

Yeah this one will require some maths honestly

[shadow blade]

I say this to myself a lot

Im going through a lot of effort to cast spear of solaris which sucks ass

Why am I doing it?

Huge laser beam that does damage and looks awesome

Is it good? No

[carmine flicker]

idk, for me doedre daming build looked awesome
it did maximum amount of clear with minimum amount of visual, that cleared mobs fast and so reduced GPU usage and optimized my electricity bill

[nimble zinc]

If you get +2 Minions you can at least get +1 Minions. If you were playing Minions as an ascendancy, you would probably take an ascendancy that read +1 to all Minion Skills, and whatever assortment of generic stuff you need anyways

[analog gale]

voll's protector is on a higher level base now

it gives like 700-800 armor

[carmine flicker]

I wish I could reduce graphics to "white and black pixels and lines" or smth

[celest oxide]

We can use a sceptre with a talisman

There’s a keystone

[formal geyser]

Maaaaan that wyvern burnination looks real good

[carmine flicker]

oh, really? cool
can you post it there if you have info?

what's the downside?

[formal geyser]

50% less spirit

[carmine flicker]

meh then

[shadow blade]

Think brass dome got same treatment

[high rivet]

for grinning immolation, if my magnitude of ignites is 0% so i dont hurt myself, do i still count as ignited?

[round escarp]

Plant druid looks really good

[shadow blade]

Yeah i did frag rounds and frost rounds last season

[atomic halo]

• 50% less reservation efficiency for non-minion skills

[shadow blade]

Is that the DoT build?

[formal geyser]

Fully expected it to be tbh.

[carmine flicker]

oh, so still ok for minions? then cool

[round escarp]

And it seems pretty easy to execute

[shadow blade]

You guys see the oil breath for wyvern? And the empowered one that produces and electrical oil field?

[formal geyser]

Oracle with volls protector does lead into spell totem uptime

[celest oxide]

Non-Unique only as well

[carmine flicker]

plant druid could be cool if you can trigger plants or rain

[celest oxide]

Demon Bear looks CRAAAAAAAAAZY in the video

So did Wolfpack Wolf tbh

[analog gale]

hmmm

[celest oxide]

Plants if you're into that

[shadow blade]

New sorc has stuff to grow plants too

[celest oxide]

Wyvern......ehhhhhh

[carmine flicker]

you mean new jinns?

[analog gale]

wyvern can move while using rolling magma

[shadow blade]

Yeah

[analog gale]

so you might be able to move while using empowered oil barrage

[static plinth]

Frankly the best part of the sceptre+talisman node is just getting to use Discipline isnt it, lmao

[shadow blade]

Iirc its the water djinn

[formal geyser]

That node where rage has no effect is interesting. Seems a shame to miss out on the power node of shaman though

[analog gale]

i think im gonna league start amazon wyvern

[static plinth]

That bear skill tree is exactly what i wanted to see and do, im so excited

[carmine flicker]

like if I could setup some self-burning minions with cast on minion death and water/plant spawning loops..

can be cool extra damage

[shadow blade]

Honestly I think they did a fantastic job making every druid playstyle look fun

[static plinth]

Wait is league tomorrow

[shadow blade]

Im looking at dot spread contagion and starting to see the ggg vision of fun combos

[shadow blade]

Yes

[formal geyser]

I can see the entangling vines + poison being pretty good. They hit very quickly

[static plinth]

Dang that crept up on me

[static plinth]

I think Chaos DoT Oracle is gonna be insane

Align Fate allows you to just walk through maps and never cast a thing

Unless it casts Essence Drain 5 times in a row i guess, its probably random and not cycling

[shadow blade]

Yeah it will be, always is

I just meant the combo style of play

[static plinth]

Yeah but now its good AND an autobomber

[formal geyser]

Main problem of EDC is pack sizw reduction

[static plinth]

Oracle also has +1 totem for a dark effigy

[shadow blade]

I love dark effigy

[carmine flicker]

get enough damage and contagion alone will clear everything

[shadow blade]

So satisfying seeing them spam things across the screen

[carmine flicker]

I really can't understand how one can do "fun combos" for 12 hours in a row..

and how quick combos will stop being fun

[shadow blade]

Depends

On mobs sure

On bosses i dont mind

I dont see how people played only using explosive shot to clear everything and not get bored too

[celest oxide]

Man the Bear looked so good

in that video

Wolf and Tornados too

Though idk how I feel about going so minion heavy on Wolf

[formal geyser]

Bone cage clearing the entire map was really fun. Never got old

[round escarp]

Tornado needed a lot of ground effects

Is tornado an attack or spell?

[formal geyser]

Spell

[celest oxide]

Balrog is the way to go imo

[round escarp]

So you can have spell totem cast tornado

[shadow blade]

Yeah i want this

I fear its going to be 50 divs

[celest oxide]

https://youtu.be/19C6hABzaDQ?si=GMnShUx9uiKaI5Q8&t=288

[shadow blade]

Tornadoes in that video look so fun too

[celest oxide]

timestamp if you missed it

[shadow blade]

Yess I just saw this

[celest oxide]

ok nvm

[celest oxide]

I feel like it won't be so expensive unless god rolled and stuff

can't we roll off the -attack speed?

such a fat fire damage roll too

I wonder if it will be mathematically optimal as well

Was also surprised they went oracle in that video for it

Titan or Shaman???

[carmine flicker]

Me neither tbh for bosses
But rare mobs.. lol no, I don't want to bother

And explosive shot is.. ok?
I played it
But in general - anime on second screen to not become bored

[cedar aspen]

It’s stuff like this that makes caster nodes on ascendancy definitely worth it

[carmine flicker]

Oracle is so cast-on-crit friendly it's stupid, really

[static plinth]

No, Fury of The King isnt a vaal unique

[carmine flicker]

Cast on crit with zero crit nodes
Hell ye

[round escarp]

What you guys think the day 1 price of vols is going to be lol

[cedar aspen]

I can see oracle already with the 0.4.1 nerfs

But. Let’s enjoy it whilst we can

[celest oxide]

What for? Just inevitable crits?

[carmine flicker]

They tend to not nerf things during league

[peak dawn]

Again looking for opinions on which League start to choose.
Looking for something with high sustain, decent clear, decent bossing and quite beefy and it's between 2 builds atm.

Purple Fireball Blood Mage
and
Flame Twister Amazon

Any thoughts, opinions or advice on the two? Both look fun and viable for League start from the gameplay I've seen thus far.

[formal geyser]

You think we're going into 0.3 or something?

[dreamy bridge]

I just love how inevitable crits is just "didn't crit? nuh uh. didn't crit? nuh uh"

[past kindle]

i cant wat to play djinn

oml

anyone know if minion cooldown recovery rate affects commands?

and do we think that djinns dissapearing are considered 'dying;'

[fleet blaze]

Any good fire builds this league?

[outer fjord]

Djinn looks fun… maybe won’t do Druid

[eternal snow]

I can't decide between spark or ED/C. Not sure which would be most comfy overall. I know the reduced pack size might make a difference for ED/C.

[graceful wraith]

Shaman minion is looking better and better, IMO. Commanding Rage, Primal Hunger, naturally regenerating rage and max rage, and assuming Warlord Berserker is still around...

That's a lotta rage, and no inherent bonus isn't meaningful when you're getting increased minion attack speed and increased minion damage (and, yes, spell damage... better than attacks, at least).

Oh, yeah, and 120 spirit in your pocket (and if not, you have charms worth the spirit loss and your defenses just got a lot swingier in a sorta better way).

Unless "No rage effect" precludes the non-natural effects of rage. If those two cancel each other out, it's not as gangbuster

[unborn breach]

Hi, noob question here. Ice storm with less duration doesn't affect overall dps right? I just need to cast more often

[dense pumice]

Can you combine wolves with spectres?

[graceful wraith]

Wolves are companions, and I'm woefully without knowledge about companion exceptions, but if they're boosted by generic minion increases, they wouldn't be an issue, i guess? The ones from the pounce-mark are an unknown, but presumably are minions and do minion things. So... presumably yes?

[dense pumice]

Yes companions are boosted by minion tags

The wolves' spirit cost are shown anywhere?

Because companions tend to have percentage spirit costs

[graceful wraith]

It's a Spirit gem, shown in one of the playtest-build videos

[dense pumice]

I mean, how much was it?

The cost

[graceful wraith]

Can't remember off the top of my head, sorry =/

I have undead on my mind, they're the minions I'm used to

I want to say 60

[dense pumice]

Is it percentage or non-percentage? I guess that's the main q

[graceful wraith]

I think its a straight cost

like SRS

[dense pumice]

Because if it's non percentage, then you can easily add spectres

[graceful wraith]

I'd think they'd be added to a lot of menageries

[dense pumice]

What do you think about the djinn acolyte as a summoner?

It will certainly be much more active

[graceful wraith]

haven't seen it yet, its in general?

[dense pumice]

But even the wolf has been very active in their previews

[dense pumice]

Sec I link it

[dense pumice]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3885168

[graceful wraith]

I'm just not knowledgeable enough to give you a meaningful answer, my dude.

I'm just excited about rage

and putting 1 and 1 together and presenting it like a proud toddler

and probably getting the interaction wrong

I'm just excited to be here!

[dense pumice]

Lol it's fine. Answer me this tho, how much are the passives mentioned here by you are "general passives", or shaman/oracle specific passives?

[graceful wraith]

Primal Hunger and Commanding Rage are both NEW general passives previewed in the endgame presentation. The Shaman through ascendancy nodes can 1) potentially add more spell damage per 2 rage, and for more points, 2) regenerate rage, have a higher max rage, and make all skills cost +5 rage. Warlord Berserker is an existing general passive (which may or may not still be around/unchanged).

Primal Hunger may or may not be a deal-breaker if it disables the extra stuff you get from Rage and not just the default "hits deal more damage" benefit.

[dense pumice]

Thanks, appreciate the overview

I'll go disciple then, since wolves & general passives can be had by everyone

[graceful wraith]

yes indeed.

if Primal Hunger and Commanding Rage DO stack how I'm hoping, though... even with no extra max rage, you're still giving your minions +60% increased attack speed and +60% increased minion damage.

Shaman's, if it doubles via Primal, could end up making that +90%/+90%, potentially, which seems crazy.

If they don't stack, ditching Primal Hunger and going for an increased max rage node cluster instead nets you +45ish% (still respectable).

[dense pumice]

But the 150 spirit is really enticing. Man..how much spirit does an endgame.summoner has?

[dense pumice]

This too

[graceful wraith]

I've never successfully made it to endgame (haven't played in a few leagues, and when I did, it bugged my quests out entirely right before mapping), but I've heard 400+ figures thrown out if you aim to stack it.

I suspect the highest numbers are going to match the shaman's extra 120 if they come from infernalist (which got extra spirit based on every X maximum life, and consequently stacked life)

my knowledge is literally a league or two dated, though

[peak dawn]

Haven't played since 0.2 also Druid doesn't look fun to me so I found builds that do look fun xd

[unreal girder]

Xbow skills are str dex

[unborn breach]

if you have CI are you always full life? just making sure

[frigid dirge]

Hey yall can someone help me out I'm planning to try poe2 with the free trial this weekend and I'm looking for help with a good beginner build.

[mystic basalt]

Hey guys, I am completely new to POE and ARPGs in general. Builds are very overwhelming rn - any idea whats gonna be strong early to mid/maybe endgame? Just kinda looking for something busted to learn the ropes

[frigid dirge]

I'm a fan of minion and slam playstyles so if theres a good one of either yall can point me towards or even one that does both that'd be great cause i have 0 clue where to start

[undone swallow]

will Disciple of Varashta be good for righteous fire?

[graceful wraith]

I plan to basically follow this until/unless I figure out something better. Minion build, you get skeletons to shoot flaming poison arrows you explode for massive damage, while you ED/C everything else at the same time. +40 to 80 spirit immediately after Trials is going to feel nice for that build.

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/animeprincess/builds/0-4-shaman-druid-leaguestarter

The best part is that if you don't like minion builds, just make enough gold to respec and be a Druid Shaman, and do Rage-y things with Bear form while you Stomp and Fissue and Stomp-Stomp-Stomp.

(take my advice with salt, I don't know much)

[static plinth]

Primal Hunger 100% removes everything, otherwise itd specify Innate Effects, and also itd be busted as fuck if it didnt

[graceful wraith]

fair!

[static plinth]

Thats like what 60% more spell damage probably

Permanently, for a keystone and an ascendancy

[graceful wraith]

30%, its 1% per 2

but yeah

[static plinth]

I was assuming you'd be stacking a chunk of max rage, though admittedly i dont know how much you can get

[graceful wraith]

tree could've changed

old tree had a +14 cluster

[static plinth]

yeesh

[graceful wraith]

a +4 capstone

[frigid dirge]

it seems interesting ill check out some videos on it cause the gameplay description feels very boring but definitely strong

[static plinth]

I imagine thatll change with the sweeping rage changes though

[tender oasis]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/2u3v60y2 hmm dont know wut else too add or cut here

[static plinth]

My plan is Chaos DoT Oracle
Align Fate will let me literally walk through maps without ever touching a button, and it gives a big damage boost on bosses, + i get an extra Dark Effigy

[graceful wraith]

You do have unearth and Contagion interacting, creating plague-bearing minions that create new plague-y corpses to unearth

[static plinth]

My last points are either going both into defensive nodes or into Walk The Unseen Path + Keystone node

[graceful wraith]

Shaman has at least +7 max from the regenerating fury ascendancy... was it +4 for each connector point?

[unreal girder]

Wait does this mean the totems themselves are going to give power charges from Voll? That makes no sense

[static plinth]

No yeah thats how that works

[hoary thicket]

Does the sic em node work with inspiring ally.I was wondering if this works because based on the wording it should six em minions do 60% increased damage to immobilised enemies and inspiring ally any increases to companion damage applies to you

[static plinth]

Or at least how it works in 1, never used totems in 2

i think

wait no yeah they wouldnt im wrong

[unreal girder]

Would be nice to know if thats true, cos I would definitely rethink my starter

[silver tree]

Is anyone going bear druid? It's the most appealing to me but I'm not sure what skills to pair with it just yet. Still a new player really, was waiting for druid to really dive deep into the game, wanna go shaman ascendency I know that much for sure.

[unreal girder]

Nope, just you :p

Zizaran and Dreamcore are both leaguestarting bear

[silver tree]

Oh neat, does Ziz make build guides? I watched a bit of his content but never looked into if he did build guides on like mobalytics or maxroll.

[unreal girder]

He makes guides yes

[gaunt ether]

do only minion nodes scale command skills?

looking at the new sorc ascendancy

[mossy radish]

I don't know where to post this, but has anyone been able to make a fiery skull build work? Last time I tried it they made it so casting fire spells desummomed any skulls you had up previously.

[silver urchin]

Currently they last 5seconds each, you get 2 per cast, and you can have 10 at once by default

[pliant veldt]

Any thoughts on a build im thinking. Bloodmage plant build. Bleed and posion plant build. Bloodmage has elemental damage contribute to Bleed magnitude and plague finger does the same for poison. So coc can be ball lightning or something for elemental damage and shock.

[mossy radish]

I'll have to test it again. It always seemed really cool to me, but I never got to use it.

Ty

[silver urchin]

Aren't bleed and poison capped at 1 each by default? You want a big bleed, not a bunch of small ones

[pliant veldt]

Hmmm thats fair, maybe it won't be great. Maybe it would be better on pathfinder because you can go get the bleed/poison nodes and then start from sorc tree and get spell damage. Who knows

You are probably right though

[dawn saddle]

So, considering there's a node to allow you tu use a scepter at the same time as a talisman, I suppose shapeshifting disables your other weapon normally ?

[silver urchin]

No

Talismans are two-handed weapons

[dawn saddle]

Oh they are ? Mb

Could you use 2 weapons with giant's blood then ?

[pliant veldt]

Yeah, so you weapon swap usually for the spells.

[silver urchin]

No, Giants Blood speciifes mace/sword/axe

[dawn saddle]

Sad

[silver urchin]

Agree

[dawn saddle]

Wanted to use a unique at the same time as the talisman

[pliant veldt]

What unique?

[dawn saddle]

Nebulosh

What other ways to consume a lot of power or endurance charges is there ? Even if I don’t get any benefit from it, since it’s to trigger the surges from amazon

[silver urchin]

Minimum level Spell Totem

[dawn saddle]

Oh yeah, could work

Can you trigger totems tho ?

[silver urchin]

No

[dawn saddle]

Mmh

Anything I could trigger ?

[silver urchin]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Charge_Regulation
https://poe2db.tw/us/Rally
https://poe2db.tw/us/Ancestral_Cry

Probably your three best bets

[dawn saddle]

Charge regulation has a long ahh cooldown so can't use it

Does expending endurance charges to bypass cooldown count as consuming ?

[dreamy bridge]

yes

[dawn saddle]

Thx

[dawn saddle]

Does rally still exist ? I can’t check in game rn, but other such support gems like potential got deleted

[silver urchin]

Dunno, I saw it on poedb and didn't look more closely

[flint osprey]

anyone planning a Disciple of Varashta build?

[tender oasis]

yes

[hoary bolt]

me

[pliant veldt]

@flint osprey yes, it will probably be my second or 3rd. But I think that ascendancy can be really really good. I mean the foci with staff is great, the-1 base delay time on es is crazy good. It has so many good nodes

[flint osprey]

I see that the first part of the ascendancies scale off of minion tags, but I dont see the tags on the skills they use in the ascendancy. Any idea if they will scale their attacks off of minion tags?

[hoary bolt]

they will

[tender oasis]

fire will scale it

[hoary bolt]

the minion is what you scale, their skills are simply used by them

[tender oasis]

well the command

[flint osprey]

so something like this would scale off of minion nodes?

[hoary bolt]

yes

[pliant veldt]

Fire/elemental damage/ minion damage all should scale

[hoary bolt]

fire will not scale it

its not your damage

minions do not have your tree

[pliant veldt]

That's fair, you are correct I misread

[hoary bolt]

fire supports will scale it though

[sharp thorn]

They will. Ascendancy nodes add new command skills to your jinn minions.

Command skills are minion attacks, but you can activate them.

[tender oasis]

wait djinn can become gigantic

[flint osprey]

Got it

[tidal birch]

What ascendancy do we think is good for the Wolf-minion build?

[flint osprey]

so something like arbiters ignition would work on those command skills im assuming?

[hoary bolt]

no

that only gives you flame archon

[flint osprey]

ok makes sense

[hoary bolt]

tactician

[tidal birch]

why?

[hoary bolt]

more immobilsation buildup for easier freezes, 50% less reservation of buffs to easily fit in new buffs like savage fury, armour gained as deflection with glancing blows is insane defense, and the ally damage from your weapon should be great for your wolves

its almost perfect

[tidal birch]

Okay, ty

[pliant veldt]

That, or invoker probably would be solid since ice strike is similar. Maybe even pathfinder since you can jump on the tree and get different nodes. But tactician definitely looks top for it

[tidal birch]

how would you skill invoker for wolf-minions?

[pliant veldt]

Oh I didn't see you wanted wolf minions. I was mainly think mainly ice skills. My bad

[unreal girder]

Man, I really wanna leaguestart spell totems but I cant trust that video that claims Voll's will proc from totems

[sharp thorn]

Is it GGG's video or not?

[unreal girder]

Its ggg, but thats just not how they work

So it could be some unintended shit on the dev client that they didnt have time to check due to crunch

Meh fuck it, you can also stack tornadoes on shaman so Ill just try it and play it by ear

[winter vine]

One simple question guys is tornado able to apply ailments ?

[silver urchin]

Probably

I don't see why not, unless it says otherwise on the gem

[winter vine]

nice but then if u wanna do a pure tornado build u are forced to play stormweaver ?

for the limit

[silver urchin]

+2 limit would be very good, yes

I wouldn't say you're forced though

[winter vine]

yeah idk might be a secret tactic somewhere cause in the video he spams it

[silver urchin]

Well there's the support gem that gives +1, right

[winter vine]

yup +1 gem

+1 idol

makes it 3

[uneven elbow]

Do we know what level we get spell totem?

Also, what do you reckon would be the most reliable way of generating charges to cast them? Pop into wyvern and eat corpse?

[silver urchin]

I think Ziggy mentioned when he got Spell Totem in his second video

As far as charges, either Consume from Wyvern or spend rage as a bear, seem to be the most straight forward

[zealous grove]

That new ascendancy right side with crit weakness + energy shield into armor is kinda broken for bonecage/storm build right?👀

[uneven elbow]

Which one? class?

The djinn one?

[zealous grove]

Yes

[uneven elbow]

Dang, havent looked into it enough yet. My brain is overloaded right now

[gentle veldt]

anyone doing like a cold mage with wolf shaman? Is it good to use firestorm cold infused using frost bomb?

[unreal girder]

Yes, but itll be phys dmg unless you convert it

[unreal girder]

30 ish, but they wont rly be playable till endgame

Im just gonna level as bear then respec to totems

[whole fog]

well im hyped for druid

cant decide if i wana use bear or elemental tornados

[winter vine]

as invoker u get damage as elem

[unreal girder]

Sure

But the bulk would still be phyd

Phys

[winter vine]

but I have no clue if the spell can shock or/and crit

[unreal girder]

Anything can shock if it does lightning dmg

[winter vine]

even if its not a hit ?

[unreal girder]

Well no

[winter vine]

😅

[unreal girder]

But tornado isnt a dot

[winter vine]

it seems to be a dot to me

[silver urchin]

Ah yeah then it can't afaik

[unreal girder]

Oh then no

The tooltip was changed then since last I saw it

Wait, if its a dot does that mean multiple tornadoes dont stack?

Cos then DOA

[winter vine]

its impossible that it doesnt stack

with all limit things they put

[unreal girder]

Looks like its completely built around the ground absorb mechanic tho and does 0 dmg without it

Kinda awkward then

[winter vine]

do u know what CoA stands for ?

[normal prawn]

Caught on arrival

[unreal girder]

Curse of agony

[normal prawn]

I was tempted by a weaver tornado. Since i didnt realize her +2 limit was ele only. So shaman brings that gameplan back into an option

But ya. No idea what type of damage it gains from grou d effecgs

[unreal girder]

Just looking at the numbers you need all 3 ground effects for good dmg too

[winter vine]

are those idols bonus reserved to druid class ?

[normal prawn]

Yes. They are vonded stata from shaman specifically

You also need to spend 2 asc nodes for it

[unreal girder]

Its the type it absorbs, burning ground is fire, chill is cold etc

[normal prawn]

But is it 1fire dps. Or 50-100

[winter vine]

yeah so as druid u get 3 tornados and as others 2 ?

[normal prawn]

Would need to scale generic damage too, so its a later league though. Dont recall the skill tree enough

[unreal girder]

Look at the gem 81 dps per element on lvl 11

[winter vine]

its written

81.3 lvl 11

[normal prawn]

Oh was it. Didnt recall seeing on poedb. But i guess we saw in the showcase didnt we

Druid gets 1. Can raise limit 1 by bond(limit1). Optional overabundance for 3. Bad choice amulet for 4

[unreal girder]

~250 dps on a lvl 11 skill id pretty strong

[winter vine]

yeah so know just need to know if I go druid or invoker

I might prefer the invoker playstyle tho

[normal prawn]

Would lose 1 limit. Was the plant storm notable top side?

[unreal girder]

You essentially lose 50% more dmg by not going shamyn

[winter vine]

yeah top side

[normal prawn]

If it doesnt stack its just 30% coverage if you ignore amulet

But using just 2...isnt using 3

[winter vine]

My plan was to go invoker do a normal lightning/cold build and add on the top Cast on ailment tornado

[unreal girder]

If it doesnt stack its shit

[winter vine]

who would suck those ground effect auto & add dmg

[normal prawn]

The original reveal showed the tornado shooting sparks and bolts right? Did this endgame reveal as well?

[unreal girder]

And if it didnt stack why would the showcased video stack them

But if it does stuck and you do manage 3 ground effects it should be solid

[flint osprey]

hey guys, do you think a Naviri, cold spell freeze sorc build is league startable? lol

[unreal girder]

But might be insanely annoying to fully utilizr

[normal prawn]

The showcase showed a small aoe. But damage and freeze potential is high

[silver urchin]

Yeah maybe

[unreal girder]

Honestly the theme of druid very much seems like "jump through 5 hoops to do stuff but then its strong"

Can you trigger volcano btw? Since its a channel, no right?

[normal prawn]

Welcome to an infusion sorc

[unreal girder]

Tbh I disagre

[silver urchin]

People are saying no, I hope they're wrong

[unreal girder]

Infusion spells still do reasonable dmg without it

Look at tornado, its zdps without ground effects

[silver urchin]

Firestorm was dogwater last patch

[unreal girder]

And it still did like 4 times as much as 0 ground tornado xd

And spark does good dmg without infusions

Hell you cant even cast totems without hoops

Its like needing infusions to cast at all

Bearform looks like the least "hoop jumpy" probably if you can get perma rage then you can pmuch just slam away

Assuming the dmg is enough

[flint osprey]

is chilled ground generally easy to generate?

[unreal girder]

Imagine if oracle had life nodes on the tree

Btw can inevitable crits reduce your dmg below 100%?

[gritty tendon]

No because it only negatively scales the critical damage bonus

[unreal girder]

Oh then its a little better than I thought

Oracle totems should be good then

[silver urchin]

And it's a Less modifier, so you should always do some amount of damage more than baseline

Wait that might not be right

I was assuming that they're separate 30%s that all multiply, but they could be totaled before applying

[honest karma]

Should work like that yes

[lethal pebble]

the vid GGG put out was using Frost Nexus support to make chilled ground. Does require that you freeze something on hit though

[honest blaze]

Hey guys, anyone knows if Disciple of Varashta Djins are minions? Meaning if I have increased spell damage, I am not increasing my ascendecy spells damage right?

[harsh fern]

pretty sure they are minions

[honest blaze]

Yeah It's what I'm thinking

[silver urchin]

They have the minion tag in their tooltips

[honest blaze]

Wonder if we have good minion/spell caster hybrid support in items+passive

[honest blaze]

I'm thinking they can go real nutty with Commandment support gem

Idk I'm gonna try it 😄

[rich nimbus]

• sacrifice spirit gem? 🤔
  Reckon that would work?

[eternal meadow]

Anyone tried Bone Cage for leveling? How was it?

[unreal girder]

Can you go block on staffs in poe2? Or is that a poe1 only thing

[summer pasture]

Poe 1 atm

[sharp thorn]

If you mean quarterstaff, there are some with implicit for the block chance but most of them can't have that.

[unreal girder]

I meant caster staff

[summer pasture]

No

[sharp thorn]

No.

Focus don't have block either, cause here it's not a shield.

[unreal girder]

Gotta figure out another defense for oracle totems then

Y I knew about foci

[summer pasture]

Go wand and shield if you want block

[unreal girder]

Yeah thats an option I guess

Or stack mana and do the mom node

That+unlucky isnt bad for defense

[summer pasture]

Oracle does have some mom stuff in the ascendency as well

[unreal girder]

Thats what I said

[misty creek]

The "Concussive Attack" passive gives 25% increased Attack Damage, does that mean for all types of attack ?

[unreal girder]

armour+es with barkskin could also be good, who knows

[unreal girder]

Yes

[misty creek]

Awesome

[unreal girder]

What else would it mean

[misty creek]

🤷

Just wanting to make sure

[serene minnow]

would this get energy on bosses after the boss is already ignited/shocked ?

[sharp thorn]

For shock yes for ignite only damage dealt matters so if you refresh ignite it has no immediate effect.

[gentle veldt]

anyone doing like a cold mage with wolf shaman? Is it good to use firestorm cold infused using frost bomb? The wolf skills are all attack damage, right? I wonder if hybrid attack spell will be enough to get +millions DPS

[normal prawn]

Hoe bigh can foci ES go?

[left pond]

Is there a cap on chill magnitude? Im thinking about using Heatshiver to help stack cold damage on werewolf form, but don't know if chill magnitude as a stat has a hidden cap. The wiki says 30% is a minimum and that 50% is usually the maximum, but when is it not?

[mellow shale]

Both druid skills and the new sorc ascendancy have stuff that requires you to have both minion damage and personal damage on the same weapon set. Wonder if they've added a way to accomplish that?

[honest ether]

Can't u use just scepter on one hand and then talisman on the other

Theres a new keystone that let you dual wield

[formal geyser]

My tooltip on bone cage last league was 1.5mil in pob, which was more than enough to kill pinnacle bosses very quickly

[mortal flume]

Quick interaction check, but for effects that trigger on applying an elemental ailment ("when you Freeze/Ignite/Shock"), does reapplying count, do you have to consume/expire the effects first, or is it dependent on the ailment?

[bold oxide]

kelari stuff seems sweet. how do you go about scaling it though and what skills would you use yourself alongside, and how would you scale those?

[rich bolt]

So we saw a couple of the new key stones the primal rage gives 100% more maximum rage but rage give no effect tacati's ire is based on how much rage you have, together with some other passive on the tree you can have around 85 rage. When combined with fast acting toxins we get 97% faster poisons. Would that make poisons nearly instant?

[winter vine]

is there any good HC planner please ?

[sand pilot]

i am very interested in playing totems and the voll's protector unique combined with the 100% crit of oracle seem a good way to sustain them. how rare is this armor? is it viable for league start?

[normal prawn]

Whays making this 97%? But sounds like yes

[rich bolt]

This plus the new keystone and tree passive to get 85 max rage.

[stiff depot]

for the upcoming pathfinder's ascendancy attribute options, will the generic 5% damage option also give minion damage? or is it just player damage

[rich bolt]

Missed the helmet soul core for for more rage so that's 104% faster at max maybe more if we get more maximum rage passive on the tree.

[formal geyser]

Interesting concept

[winter vine]

is there any spell that can shock & freeze in same time ?

[leaden yarrow]

How's the new ascendency for campaign y'all think?

[vivid lark]

Does anyone know if talismans count as weapons for the Penetrate node of the amazon? (the one that has 25% added phys based on the accuracy of the weapon)
And if talismans can roll accuracy?

[sharp thorn]

Talismans are martial weapons and most likely can roll accuracy like every other weapon.

[proper lake]

Is there any sorc or witch ascendancy that would work using talismans? Or is druid the only viable option?

[cedar aspen]

Strong.

Shamans reactive growth and avatar of evolution provide massive defensive buffs

[celest blaze]

Holy hell even Oracle looks playable

I think I'm rolling a druid and figuring out the rest later lol

entwined realities is totally baller

(the "every Keystone is a From Nothing Gem now, kek") one

That plus "oh and every hit you make is a crit" is effing nuts

[azure wyvern]

it seems really good, you only need the new spirit gem to generate rage and you will always have max rage
right?

if you aren't consuming rage

[fiery sky]

sneaky bastrds , they knew all along

[torpid zephyr]

How would you guys scale the damage with the djinn ascendency?

[celest blaze]

it's 100 spirit though

(still very good obvi)

[rich bolt]

Yeah it's 100 spirit i think there is also the glove Talisman/soul core that grants 1 rage on hit so if you attack fast enough you could do that too.

[celest blaze]

There are tons of ways to add +1 rage on melee hit, also. 6 or 7 on the tree alone, and it can be rolled on Ruby jewels as a mod

[celest blaze]

and a support gem that gives +5 on melee hit

also, I was so annoyed that the Furious Wellspring gave spell damage I didn't notice that it gave MORE spell damage, holy shit

[azure wyvern]

you can drop Eternal Rage if you have Furious Wellspring

[celest blaze]

There's also a node on the tree that gives 8 rage when you pop a life flask, and you can slow rage loss by 45% with two passives.

Death Articulated unique gloves (super expensive) also flat out removes inherent rage loss

and the overall rage loss now doesn't start for 4 seconds, which you can extend by an extra loss of 2 or 3 seconds now.

[rich bolt]

Would 100% faster poisons be half the duration but the same damage or instant?

[celest blaze]

it's extremely easy to stay very, very angry this patch (and also don't sleep on the Berserk buff) https://poe2db.tw/us/Berserk which grants 69 increased rage effect at 20/20 gem for all of 30 spirit.

[static plinth]

Same damage but twice as fast (half duration). Less total damage per poison but more DPS (very good since there's a stack limit)

[hybrid ocean]

Getting zapped by redflare conduit still counts as consuming power charges, right?

[celest blaze]

Varashta ascendancy looks awesome too, I'd probably play that if Druid didn't seem ridiculously cool right now

[formal geyser]

Wonder if this applies to the shaman ascendancy node for more spell power

[celest blaze]

AFAIK i know it should, which is just nuts

[formal geyser]

69% on top of 16% more would be 27 ish?

[celest blaze]

might not though based on how they worded it, not sure

[formal geyser]

It says "rage grants"

So seems like it should

[celest blaze]

ah, yeah, right, so it should yes

[fiery sky]

im just trying to figure out what they ment by totems self sustaining power charge costs after first cast. there is some kind of missing piece here

[fleet blaze]

mana stacking archmage fire stormweaver sound stupid? firestorm + comet

[celest blaze]

yeah, but the fact that it should be possible is interesting.

[celest blaze]

looks fun. I almost went stormweaver, and firestorm looks sweet now.

[torpid zephyr]

It kind of seems like you run around dodging mobs while waiting for your cooldowns to come back up. Unless, I guess you could use normal elemental spells in between

[celest blaze]

I'd be shield bonking

[uncut bay]

I came to the conclusion that disciple is just straight up better than bloodmage and therefore the best spellcasting ascendancy outside of infusions

[celest blaze]

but that's kinda what I do right now so lol

[fiery sky]

I mean, maybe they ment okay you hit until you have your first totem, then by the time you need to recast you must have hitted some more yourself to have charges again

[celest blaze]

yes that's what they mean. It's a bit unclear as to how, though

[twin bronze]

So what are we thinking about bloodmage vines perhaps?

[fiery sky]

well with volls protector for every time you hit yourself you have 25% chance to gain a charge. so lets say you hit 10 times a second with a self cast spark setup then youll have perma uptime on totems

i dont think they are approaching this as poe1 where you just lay down totems and thats it, they want you to combo with your own spellcasting

[uncut bay]

I mean, it doesn't sound stupid to me, archmage and mana stacking are just a meme, but if someone wants to experiment with it they should, I know I did

[fleet blaze]

whys it a meme?

[celest blaze]

yes, but that's not what they mean, also there is a soul core that gives a 50% chance to gain an Endy charge whenever you gain an endy charge, and I think another 10% on the current tree (they may have added more)

[uncut bay]

why play bloodmage when we have disciple, a new shiny ascendancy

[celest blaze]

they are implying that the totem itself can generate the charges you need to cast the next totem, somehow

[twin bronze]

Allot less people playing it. Hoping life stacking gear will be cheaper due to nerfs.

[uncut bay]

okay because it's a glass cannon on top of low damage and no stun threshold, high mana costs and low movement speed, everything is just bad

[celest blaze]

unlikely with druid popularity

[twin bronze]

How would druid effect the life stack gear prices? Did i miss something

[uncut bay]

druid wouldn't at least as far as I can see

[fleet blaze]

maybe that's why i didn't enjoy my frostbolt comet mana stacking archmage last season...

[uncut bay]

I mean, life stacking items should be much cheaper now

[celest blaze]

I suspect more people will be playing armor or armor es based on where the cool stuff is in the tree, which requires life gear not to die.

[fleet blaze]

i enjoyed it but it was frustrating. felt like i died too easily

[celest blaze]

could be wrong?

[harsh sandal]

After all the recent announcements is invoker still the best choice for the frost wolf archetype?

[twin bronze]

Mainly gear with life isn't really what i meant. Rathpith / unique body for life.

[cedar aspen]

If people are going to life related traits with Druid, it will be gear with life regeneration, for those going Zealots Oath

[celest blaze]

oh yeah rathpith dead and there are many solid chestpiece options now.

[unreal girder]

Do we know if it ever was?

[cedar aspen]

It’s finally time for that keystone to shine

[twin bronze]

Rahpith is still Best in slot for life stacking characters. you just won't be getting that idiotic damage anymore.

[uncut bay]

ehm I recommend looking at the builds people post at least a little bit, youtube seems to the best place for it, just so you get an understanding of what's strong and what's weak. in 0.1 archmage was overpowered, then they nerfed it like 10x, so you were playing a build with the 10% of its old strength in the same league where atalui builds were several times stronger than the 0.1 archmage builds, are you catching my drift?

[harsh sandal]

Going off of assumptions and suggestions

[fleet blaze]

i dont care to do the 'meta' per se i just don't like investing 100d and being able to die easily. also i just wana do fire and no one ever does fire

[unreal girder]

Id say the tricky part with invoker wolf is if you need to travel a lot for the good shapeshift nodes, and a bit more steep on attributes

[celest blaze]

also they cut the crit, they didn't put the two nerfs in the same place

it's still better than I thought it was though you're quite right

[alpine sentinel]

With 600c what stashs do u guys recommend?

[celest blaze]

okay leaving for realsies now

[cedar aspen]

Bye bye 👋

[twin bronze]

Tecrod jewel only really changed from 1 life per sec per 16 (from 8) and 20% more life cost instead of 50.. Which still is quite some defensive power

[harsh sandal]

What would you suggest?

[bright pine]

bear is fire oriented but it's attacks not spells xdd

[unreal girder]

1 currency and 1 trade tab for sure

[bright pine]

it's probably gonna be reasonably strong from what we've seen

[unreal girder]

Well its supposed to use spells too

Technically

[cedar aspen]

Is walking calamity a spell?

[celest blaze]

currency + at least 1 quad stash for sure. A merchant stash too, not sure what that'll run ya

[uncut bay]

sadly the meta skills can be so insanely strong that to me it doesn't make sense to play something else when it comes to spellcasting, I did a frostbolt comet build this league, I was pretty much unkillable, off the charts damage with around 60% movement speed. my 0.1 archmage gemling is such trash compared to this 😄

[fiery sky]

any secret tech anyone want to share or ideas for spell totems?

[bright pine]

Druid atleast has that kinda theme they're pushing but I'm by far most convinced by melee bear atm

[unreal girder]

Oracle, voll's protector guaranteed ctit

[fleet blaze]

blood mage?

[unreal girder]

Not secret tho

[cedar aspen]

Also I guess it uses spells it synergizes with like volcano

[fiery sky]

right, this seems like the core of the build more or less. mostly on the voll's side

[uncut bay]

yes, blood mage. you were getting frustrated by dying in the same league where you could be literally immortal and play any unchannaled spell you want, including the fire spells

[unreal girder]

Oracle has +1 totems and an easy way to guarantee crits, its the defacto spell totem asc

[harsh sandal]

There an alternative? Any of the new druid ascendancies viable?

[fleet garden]

So, I may be dumb for asking this but with the new Talismans, I can use them on any class right? Like if I want a Werewolf Lich, that's perfectly fine, just as a Bear Titan?