2┃build-planning

[dawn spire]

You lose out on all the abyss content in endgame unless you play abyssal

[tulip fog]

its hard to get more than like 10k? armor rating without sacrificing your damage

[dawn spire]

It's hard to get any noticeable defense without sacrificing damage though

[slender furnace]

Or you can just get max all res...

[crystal totem]

Anyone know if the Payload support gem which gives supported skills have 70% reduced cooldown recovery rate will work on the 10 second lockout of Rapid Shot at max heat? I'm desperately trying to find a way to make Rapid Shot a one button build again. I really hate the grenade playstyle and don't want to use them.

[dawn spire]

Or both

[tulip fog]

problem is that they are removing a lot of maxres from the passive tree in 0.3

and from uniques

[slender furnace]

You want resistance to apply before armor

[hollow galleon]

sure but thats not happening...

[dawn spire]

Reduced cooldown recovery rate makes things take LONGER to cool down

[hollow galleon]

so if the problem is Armor is shit against big hits...my idea was to make those big hits turn into smaller chunks of hits....there is armor that converts damage into % of other types, and then armor would work better, but this will require a lot of theorycrafting and combining uniques that are prob shit lol

[slender furnace]

I mean sure id love to have a 50k armor 90 all res 50k evasion 10k es max suppress block capped character

[slender furnace]

So ypu want armor to be broken

[hollow galleon]

i mean, lets say u take 10K phys dmg....maybe if that incoming damage is broken into 2K of each element damage + 2k phys damage...wouldnt armor THEN work better?

[inland plinth]

There isn’t a way to turn big elemental hits into smaller hits pre resistance

[slender furnace]

If armor converted big hits to small you would have like permanent 90% dr or whatever

[hollow galleon]

i know there is robes that like turn phys damage into fire damage for example, a % anyways

[slender furnace]

You're literally talking about phys taken as

[inland plinth]

Changing damage from phys to an elemental damage type is common but people just got their resistances higher to mitigate instead

[dawn spire]

Also payload only supports grenade skills, which rapid shot is not

[inland plinth]

That’s different than mitigating elemental damage

[hollow galleon]

yes but new armor will mitigate elemental dmg too

so if u take phys dmg, break into smaller chunks of elemental dmg ... armor should now help...besides res too

[inland plinth]

You’re not wrong but there aren’t enough affixes on gear to get all of those stats

A lot of phys taken as is also on unique items which aren’t great other than for said phys taken as affix

[magic pier]

What Even Is Non-Ailment Damage Over Time

[slender furnace]

Chaos (non poison)

Edit: also stuff like corrupted blood

[subtle vigil]

contagion, essence drain

[inland plinth]

I don’t understand why volcanic fissures damage is so low. Do the fissures that overlap on a target shotgun or something?

145% attack damage is so garbage compared to other skills

[soft wren]

Anyone starting league as chronomancer and/or know of any decent guides to loosely go off?

[honest grail]

armour would apply before anything else you do to hits anyway

really for big phys hits you should just be dodging lol

[hollow galleon]

or blocking

[low sky]

what did they buff in deadeye to make it so strong and popular?

[soft wren]

in DotH? tangletongue, lightning spear and snek lol

tangleturd**

[frosty finch]

Schizoposting meets pob

[soft wren]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-crazy-pepe-silvia-gif-27373442

[buoyant quiver]

dumb question guys, is it possible to turn lightning dmg to fire dmg, and then turn that fire damage to chaos dmg? i didnt see any lightning to chaos directly so was just asking, do call me dumb if it is a dumb question :p

[inland plinth]

I don’t think there is lightning to fire damage

There is fire to cold and cold to lightning

[inland plinth]

Lightning to cold as well

[tulip fog]

you would have to convert it multiple times

[slender stirrup]

Flame wall should add flame DMG to projectiles like arc and spark and they should get converted to chaos ?

[tulip fog]

but it is technically possible, mechanically, the problem is finding things that convert it

[inland plinth]

So theoretically you could then do lightning to cold with the ring. Cold to fire using blue flame bracers. Then fire to chaos via tree

Kind of nonsense but possible

[buoyant quiver]

hot damn

ty guys

[soft wren]

super common xsht drop. if you're on xbox can give you one for free

[buoyant quiver]

aah im on pc 🙁 but mainly planning a build for the league start

[soft wren]

ah wait PoE2 has cross play lmao I forgot

[buoyant quiver]

how do you guys remember these stuffs? i need to learn to use the wiki properly tbh

[floral fjord]

NOOOO...WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS GGG?!

    Enabled the Goblin Troupe Pet microtransaction for use in Path of Exile 2.

[gentle veldt]

what arc build are you guys going to follow?

[floral fjord]

Now im forced to get that damn bird to kill pets

[tulip fog]

there is a new supporterpack pet that can be bought that kills other players pets (on your screen) which can be used to kill the goblin troupe

[floral fjord]

Do you know what value support pack has it?

[soft wren]

trarthan executioner i believe

[tulip fog]

i think its part of all of the packs, unless im mistaken its the "baby crowbell pet"

is it the thrathan executioner?

[inland plinth]

Good thing I’ll never be in my hideout to see those people while they buy my items anyways

[soft wren]

yeah think it's the carrion raptor pet, don't quote me on that tho

[floral fjord]

Yeah ur right i remember the bird from the video

[soft wren]

yeah it is, on the game looking at the animation of it squashing a duck rn lol

[tulip fog]

i am not seeing any carrion raptor in the packs

[soft wren]

under trarthan executioner series. the first tier gives the pet

[soft wren]

$38.99 CAD idk what that is in freedom dollars or australian dollary doos tho

[tulip fog]

oh, there are multiple series of supporterpacks i see, i must have been looking at the wrong series

[buoyant quiver]

is poe2 PoB a separate app? or built into it?

[cobalt fox]

Seperate

https://pathofbuilding.community/

[buoyant quiver]

aah ok ok, ty mate

[scarlet sandal]

Has anyone thought about the frozen darts

[floral fjord]

Not updated yet because tree hasnt been released yet but hopefully today

[tulip fog]

if GGG want to be nice to us they release it today, otherwise we would only get it after the patch goes live tomorrow

[quiet forge]

Are you fucking kidding me

Dude I just joined the server, how fucking dead is it here that I'm already #2 yapper?

[tulip fog]

we dont have the supportgems (only china leaks) and no passive tree either, so its no wonder

[quiet forge]

but like, even for 0.2??

[tulip fog]

and with massive changes to stuff its no reason to talk when we dont know anything

[wanton dawn]

What are thoughts on patch notes leading arc damage to be a buff but actual in game numbers it would be nerf?

[atomic halo]

it's one specific channel

[cobalt fox]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1118165205025828884

go here for infinite yapping

[tulip fog]

i'd assume arc changes are a buff if using lightning infusions on every cast, but a nerf if not, but havent looked closely at it

so i might be wrong

[quiet forge]

I already yap there thanks though

[stiff depot]

not really understanding cast on x and energy gain as well as I'd like.
Say I have a cast on crit comet setup and a cast on freeze fireball setup.

The fireballs shouldn't generate energy for the CoC
but will freezes from the comet generate towards cast on freeze?

[inland plinth]

The freeze caused by comet will not generate energy because it is being triggered by a meta gem

If it has the “trigger” tag it will not create energy with any skill it casts

I was dabbling in that the last 2 days looking to do some nonsense and everything I wanted to work with didn’t have proper interaction

[timid basin]

Noob question...
Now that Arc is a projectile, what is the downside of going Arc deadeye with the same stuff as lightning arrow but as a caster instead? it would work with lightning rod, eh ? Weapon swap instant and stuff

[stiff depot]

less mana sustain and easy pathing to upcoming archon nodes I guess

[slender furnace]

We don't know how extra proj works on arc

[stiff depot]

but top right side tree has good proj and crit multi nodes as well as movement speed

[pale niche]

gotta say, not having the new tree/gems is a tiny bit insane

[cobalt fox]

free players can't pre-download, paid players can't pre-strategize 😄

[pale niche]

Like at least the gems, dear god 😂

I would love to know the numbers of Siphon Elements

And if my chayula fire monk is dead on arrival or not

[frosty finch]

How long until preload ?

[pale niche]

if it's as usual, 22/23 hours

[slender furnace]

Warriors nerfed again with svalin change lol

[formal silo]

any fire spell chads that know the abilities pretty well?

[pale niche]

There's is something amazing with seeing streamers placing Warbringer at B when all his builds got gutted to hell

[slender furnace]

It would've been good for block until svalin just got nerfed for it

[pale niche]

Nah, i honestly believe people are confusing PoE 1 and PoE 2

[honest grail]

people thinking that interaction was gonna make it to live are insane lol

[pale niche]

They are too used to life on block%

[honest grail]

shows most people have no concept of acceptable balance

[pale niche]

getting % damage on block here is so utterly shit, Regen does nothing

[honest grail]

94% chance to reduce 70% of damage from hits for an ascendancy node and a single unique

yeah sure lol

[pale niche]

Ahem, Warbringer caps the block at 75%

you can't augment it in any other way

[honest grail]

what's 75% lucky block bro

[pale niche]

I mean sure, but how do you deal with the 30% damage?

We don't have Regen, or life on block on this game

The Armor applies to Elemental is applied before resists, so it's pretty shit

[honest grail]

what are you even talking about now lol

[frosty finch]

We definetly have life regen

[honest grail]

life recovery isn't hard between leech, regen and life on kill

plus flask if you get chunked down at all

we're talking about how broken svalinn would have been on warb if they didn't change it

94% chance to negate 70% of all blockable hits is wild

now it's 94% chance to negate 55% at max roll

which is still workable I would say as long as you have good recovery

[inland plinth]

Sure but why can’t the slow build actually take a W and be super tanky. Plus it’s still not perfect as someone who played an eviscerate build on Poe1 using svalinn the 6% of the time you don’t block you get slammed

[honest grail]

warriors are super tanky if you build them right

just not vs boss slams that take 3-5 business days to land

people used xesht hand slam to talk about big phys hits and I was literally just walking out of that one lol

and was basically immortal in maps unless I did like triple damage mods 60%+ deli breaches or whatever

[winter vine]

Is ES from discipline not converted by EB guys ?

[inland plinth]

If they hadn’t nerfed GB on the tree I think the Svalinn change is more warranted. Sucks to lose on average 500 life because it’s the only thing making the class viable

[north talon]

I remain convinced that armor to ele is actually pretty good, potentially extremely good in some setups

[inland plinth]

It will be good for added extra ele damage on maps since the added damage isn’t high hitting

[warm wing]

Lightning deadeye or arc bloodmage

[north talon]

I've been looking at things and there are very real routes to applying effective 125k armor against elemental

[inland plinth]

Both meta and strong

Deadeye will probably be more expensive to gear if you play trade

[honest grail]

people thinking GB is essential just don't know how to build warrior either

or that we're getting new crazy support gems like Rakiata's lol

[warm wing]

I just want to play something that’ll be easy to clear everything in game without having to reroll character day 2 cuz they nerf the whole thing

[honest grail]

GB was autopick before because it had no real downside because you always stacked strength for life anyway

now it's like aspect of carnage in poe 1

[inland plinth]

Well to be fair if anything is going to be mid league nerfed it would be deadeye imo. Blood mage probably won’t be touched

But nothing is certain

[warm wing]

Hmmm

[magic pier]

deadeye
nerfed
lmao

as if

[warm wing]

Someone said they’ll data mine the skill tree and gems , how that works ?

[inland plinth]

As a non data miner I have no idea pray for skill tree release

[warm wing]

Are updates pushed today

Liek if they’re going to datamine that’ll mean the build is pushed out

[magic pier]

ggg said there would be a pre download period
once the files are download hopefully someone with the skills to do it will be able to get the data of the new passive skill tree

[inland plinth]

Everyone prepare to free ball your build while playing

If soft core take damage nodes if hardcore good luck

[honest grail]

people acting like every single warrior lost 500 life is so funny

no-one knows how to make builds for themselves for this game

[deep vine]

Whats an easy class/build for leveling and end game (apart of deadeye) also preferably fast not multi-dot/curse type

[inland plinth]

I mean they did lose 500 life but that’s assuming nothing on the new tree was added to add life

The GB nerf could be irrelevant if the new tree has any sources of life at all

[honest grail]

for leveling in particular, warrior

I'm just not gonna take GB

[pale niche]

Not warrior.

[atomic halo]

[honest grail]

warrior has always been the best at faster leveling lol

[slender furnace]

Why? Maybe if they let you stack it to like 300%...

[atomic halo]

it literally is warrior yeah

[pale niche]

Levelin with warrior if you never played it it's the most frustrating thing in experience, gonna warn you now

[honest grail]

it's braindead easy lol

[inland plinth]

Warrior does have a very fast campaign that is a fact

[atomic halo]

it's the easy and straightforward from experience

[honest grail]

you leap slam boneshatter packs and you spam perfect strike on boss

[deep vine]

I played monk and ranger (with some sorc)

[inland plinth]

At this point I’m fairly settled on crossbows

The only way that changes is if the tree comes out and I can make warrior pump

[north talon]

I mean you CAN get into 200-250% range with uniques. And you can apply Goregirdle to double effective armor without reducing max mitegation for elemental which lets that get into the 400-500% applied armor against ele hits.

[pale niche]

You're correct, it's just that if you've never played maces they FEEL awful

[north talon]

This is true, playing maces wrong is both slow and feels bad.

[inland plinth]

Yeah they’re clunky you have to get used to the play style. It’s better than before since you can animation cancel rolling slam now

[pale niche]

By the fact that some of the nodes shown are just a single element and not all 3 👍

[slender furnace]

Huh?

[pale niche]

A couple of the nodes shown were just Armor cover Fire Damage, not all elemental damage (on the tree)

[slender furnace]

That really has nothing to do with anything

We saw ele damage on rare idk what youre talking about

[pale niche]

Yes, and that's on gloves and chest, but those alone don't get you to 300%?

[slender furnace]

Oh didnt know you data mined all the new affixes

[pale niche]

And if the single nodes are "Armor Applies to Fire" and "Armor applies to Cold" you're gonna need a LOT of them to

They literally said it

"It's only on gloves and Chest"

[north talon]

The big potential for ele to armor is from corrupted 186% Blackbraid. Which has very little armor on it but massive ele to armor %

[slender furnace]

And we have no clue the rolls bro @pale niche

[north talon]

They also did not say it is only on gloves and chest O.o

[honest grail]

I think goregirdle will cap ele dr as well

unless they explicitly said otherwise

[north talon]

Maybe, but that is not in the patch notes for it or the Tactician node that does the same thing

and it specifically says Physical DR

[honest grail]

armour applying to anything is damage reduction, res is different

oh wait it does say physical

nvm

[north talon]

Yeah it doesn't say armor reduction, it says physical. And that matters because it also counts the PDR from shields and such

[atomic halo]

shhh

[slender furnace]

We don't even know if that works for sure do we? Couldn't it just be the armour values...I dont recall the exact wording on the mod

[north talon]

As it is written it should work, but I suppose we have not actually tested it

[inland plinth]

I was gunna say based on the wording since it’s non specific it should defend against all hits with 200% armor since it doesn’t have any limiting text

But they’ve done stuff like that before and it was found to be specific without the text

[north talon]

There are several notables as well that have similar text I'd also expect to work

like defend with 200% armor against crits

[inland plinth]

Yeah realistically until it’s tested at the end of the day it’s all speculation

[north talon]

I guess it could be tested now with current blackbraid

Since it uses the same mechanic

[inland plinth]

Yeah but isn’t the point to see if it applies to elemental damage reduction applied via armor?

And that stat isn’t in game yet

[north talon]

I mean I am pretty sure the stat is identical to what blackbraid and heatproof both do currently

[hollow holly]

Complete newbie here 🙂 I'm trying to follow this build: https://pobb.in/3nXJk15C_JE8 . But it's saying that I need to get rolling magma leveled, but I can't get that until Act 3. Am I reading this wrong?

[static torrent]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/185829045596848129

[pale niche]

You need to mule from Witch/Templar

But yeah, wrong sub

[hollow holly]

My fault. Thank you

[pale niche]

Btw if you read the notes/skills, he says what to do :p

[hollow holly]

Yeah, I was confused why witch was mentioned ... since I was going to make a Chief. Makes sense now. Appreciate it 🙂

[mental stag]

I really wanna do a wind skill unarmed build. I’m thinking gemling since it’s probably phys based and scales with levels. Anyone have other ideas around the wind unnarmed build archetype with other ascendancoes?

[obtuse condor]

how easy is it to generate endurance charges? thinking totem build with the new totem changes

[celest oxide]

Should I play Blood Mage tomorrow or an Xbow Merc?

[inland plinth]

Depends how meta do you want to be? There will be more blood mages than mercs

[obtuse condor]

prob Deadeye > inferno > blood mages are the top 3 in the upcoming 0.3

[celest oxide]

Not so meta that I get priced out of every thing but also not so off meta that I can’t find quality guides for it lol

[soft wren]

Int + mana stacking chronomancer

[celest oxide]

Infernalist really that good?

[inland plinth]

I think blood mage is 2 personally over infernalist

[obtuse condor]

god dam lol

[inland plinth]

But palsteron just dropped an xbow starter video

[soft wren]

lol tree changes aint even out yet besides some chinese leaks

[solemn spire]

Heyy everyone , can someone recommend me a build/spec I should play tomorrow that is melee and fast(if exists), please?

[inland plinth]

Melee and fast in the same sentence

[obtuse condor]

some monk probably

[inland plinth]

Best guess would be hollow palm

[celest oxide]

I love run and gun xbow gameplay a freeze and frag rounds run and gun build would be fun but I also never start with casters

[obtuse condor]

prepare to die a lot

[bright agate]

monk

[solemn spire]

okok thanks ill look into monk, thank youuu everyone

[bright agate]

or if you hate your slef gemlink flicker

[obtuse condor]

i got touched by a boss as ice monk and exploded

[soft wren]

gemling flicker got gutted to shit. if you wanna go flicker I believe best is elementalist?

[inland plinth]

If hollow palm is good Amazon would be fast too utilizing monk skills (bo staves)

[bright agate]

oh i hate ggg....

[solemn spire]

oh nice amazon , the lastest char right? nice 2 chars I can try

[pale niche]

we can't have 100% chance not to use charges

[bright agate]

no poe 1 gaming

[inland plinth]

Yeah huntress using the Amazon ascendancy. It got nerfed but is still very good regardless

[bright agate]

:c

[celest oxide]

What are some good spells to look into if I wanna start Blood Mage?

[inland plinth]

Blood mage can use almost anything that isn’t trash

Fireball ice bolt spark arc

[obtuse condor]

srry i never played blood mage. That was for monk

[wary patio]

spark got nerfed

[bright agate]

arc is good

[wary patio]

no longer fills the sceen

[celest oxide]

Cool ty

[bright agate]

i dont know now but detonate dead might be good

[soft wren]

ppl were using spear on bloodmage w/ rake and something else and basically one-shotting ubers

[inland plinth]

Spark still good and if you commit to the GGG gimmick you can infuse it to make it actually good again

The bloodmage spear stuff got nerfed

[celest oxide]

And for Merc, do you guys think there’ll be a grenade ballista set up that lets it freeze well?

Grenade Ballista freezing and Frag Rounds blowing em up

[soft wren]

chronomancer guide for those interested

[bright agate]

i saw liches try to make chaos grande it might be interesting

[frosty finch]

What is better ? Ignite spread with cracklecreep or chaos ignite into contagion ?

[magic pier]

oh yeah we should get the preload in a few hours

[obtuse condor]

people who play chrono are indeed insane

[soft wren]

thought contagion got fukt

[frosty finch]

I mean doesnt it litterally triple your ignite damage ?

[soft wren]

i'd have to take another look at the available notes but just going by what i've heard

[tulip fog]

for the new Ancestral Cry skill was it said that the steps you take, the "Volcanic Steps" count as slams? or is that false info?

[hoary bolt]

ignite is not a chaos dot no matter what damage type it deals

[eternal pilot]

Does this ability kill you if you hit 10 targets?

[inland plinth]

volcanic steps will count as slams for triggering fissures if thats what you wanted to know

[bright agate]

we dont know but if we look at poe 1 it is slam so ig

[frosty finch]

Even with the amethyst unique ring ? Is that how it works ?

[magic pier]

no because you got probably got some life regen

[inland plinth]

they showed it in the preview

[magic pier]

but yeah if you want to use corrupted blood you need the belt the gives you immunity to it i can't read turns out

[hoary bolt]

it makes enemies take chaos instead of fire from ignite, you still deal fire

[frosty finch]

Hmm gotcha

I guess i'll use the two unique rings then lul

[magic pier]

oh no we can't read

[bright agate]

you can alwyes use 3 if you want

[frosty finch]

No because i only have 2 fingers

[eternal pilot]

It doesnt say that you get corrupted blood? Only that you lose hp based on how many stacks you apply? Or I might be missing something

[magic pier]

sure reads like it does

[bright agate]

ritualist give you 3 finger

[twin spruce]

ay yo chat can we confirm that mace warrior still bad in 0.3? or should i give it another go

[inland plinth]

When am I getting an ascendancy that adds 1 finger for every point so I can wear 10 rings?

[teal dock]

What would be a good way to apply wither for 2h hammers? I could use reverberating shield on the backbar or I could use a shockwave totem/Dark Effigy (going for chaos ignites)

[frosty finch]

We can not confirm since we cannot see the tree

[inland plinth]

We can confirm mace warrior is still slow. other than that no idea no tree

[frosty finch]

Maybe warrior will get damage buff without minus attack speed

[obtuse condor]

i hope the tree change help warrior cuz i really wanna play totem warmaster >.>

[twin spruce]

deadeye it is

[soft wren]

mace warrior like a souls boss with the wind ups

[teal dock]

mace ranger

[twin spruce]

yeah but now we can spam skill speed support gems right

[inland plinth]

If the skill tree is insane for warrior I want to play a fissure warrior using warcries to trigger them over and over ignoring cooldown with warbringer

[obtuse condor]

yea

[twin spruce]

surely that will help

[inland plinth]

if not im crossbow man

[obtuse condor]

wait u can ignore cd with warbringer?

ohh i see it nice.

[wary patio]

i had this thought but i went warrior every patch and im afraid in the end he will be too slow

[frosty finch]

Personally i will play titan shotgun

[soft wren]

lol why play the same class every patch? variety is a spice of life bayybayyy

[frosty finch]

And i will enjoy it

[inland plinth]

Oh yeah he is for sure still too slow especially compared to other classes. But remember abyss mechanic forces people to stay in one place killing monsters

speed wont necessarily be king

[wary patio]

im hoping 1 patch they will be like good

[summer pasture]

Go thorns warrior you won't regret it

[soft wren]

sunk cost fallacy basically? lol

[twin spruce]

maybe when swords get released

[frosty finch]

Thorns is jank

[wary patio]

agree

[pale niche]

Uh?

[summer pasture]

Nah pretty easy to build and play especially with the new stuff coming for it

[twin spruce]

didnt kripp do a pretty good poison build on warrior

[frosty finch]

Good luck clearing campaign

[quiet forge]

Thorns obliterates campaign.

[pale niche]

^

[wary patio]

i was actually thinking a shout poison stacking build this season

[frosty finch]

With uniques maybe

[quiet forge]

nah

[obtuse condor]

i could never play thorn. just seems too boring for me xD kinda funny watching other people play it tho

[summer pasture]

Just one unique required that's crown of the pale king tbh it's not really needed till later

Thorns is poe2's rf

[frosty finch]

Hm fair

[vast rampart]

Any ascensions in this coming season/patch that would really excel if playing with someone? Would love something that really boosts a teammate or something.

[summer pasture]

Tactication and that's just alright for buffing

[soft wren]

banners?

[inland plinth]

bannerman

[soft wren]

they buffed warbanner or whatever it's called like a mf

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-willem-hulk-david-banner-creepy-gif-23695573

[summer pasture]

Wish aurabot existed in Poe 2

[dire cave]

the pin is pretty solid for bossing tho

[summer pasture]

Nice

[dire cave]

GGG does not like aura bots

so its unlikely it will ever be an intended thing

[soft wren]

aura bot with kinetic blast merc in PoE1 is pretty hilarious

[static torrent]

Mark2 plays aura bots, iirc

So that's not entirely accurate

[summer pasture]

Ik but I miss playing aurabot used to blast simmys with my friend on console

[dire cave]

that would be on poe1 right?

however I am pretty sure jonathan didnt like them and doesn't intent to put them in or make it possible in poe2

[static torrent]

I don't believe he has said that, at least not explicitly, though around the time of the Witch reveal he had said that in PoE2, support-type characters are more likely to be focused around setting up conditions for other players to take advantage of, rather than being purely focused around Auras or simple stat buffs.

[north talon]

I mean PoE2 just sort of lacks the same kind of Auras as PoE1 mechanically

so support characters don't look the same

[teal dock]

did the blackflame ring change ignite color?

[lean canyon]

why are there people going warrior with this node for an explosive shot build? Like why not another node or another class

[brisk leaf]

Instant reload

[lean canyon]

wdym? How

[north talon]

Practical effect is something like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1k5u5wp/the_most_satisfying_build_ive_played_incendiary/

[lean canyon]

I see, so u insta stun enemies and so u never reload?

[eternal pilot]

Do people try use galvanic shards with that?

[north talon]

I mean they might now, they didn't before because old galvantic was a differnt kind of skill

[eternal pilot]

Isnt it just a shotgun skill now that does like 75% more damage?

[north talon]

it does a lot more than 75% more damage

[compact perch]

Hi all, I am thinking of starting this league with an explosive grenade mercenary but after playing for a bit I am wondering how do people deal with the fuse delay? This feels so clunky. Do you have to pre-shoot and kite or am I missing something to get the grenades to explode sooner?

[north talon]

It is 150%-190% with quality

[inland plinth]

You can use a detonator skill

[north talon]

At the cost of being a normal shotgun skill now

[lean canyon]

but like I was watching this build, by Deadrabbit that is 1:1 inspired by Aste's, and he says that he takes that node to be able to stun enemies most of the time and giving him some sustain. But I dont really see the point in getting extra sustain if you one shot them + he doesn't use double barrel

its a build he did in 0.2.1 but I wanted to try and remake it in 0.3 but cant understand why warrior class https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZzpKc_G_S4&ab_channel=DEADRABB1T

[north talon]

I don't really think he did a great job of optimization in that, but the concept is sound

and the tree and gems are all different now anyway so it is kind of w/e

[lean canyon]

yea thats true but I wanted to try and go warrior because I cant decide what to play, thorns, crossbow, shieldcharge (?) or something else and warrior sounded like a safe spot (i dont really care about the debuffs)

but I still dont understand why he took that

[high rivet]

Do we have an updated passive tree yet?

[north talon]

nope, going in blind tomorrow

[high rivet]

Dang, do we know of any other thorns changes?

I know scavenged got nerfed

[north talon]

Scavenged nerf makes me very sad. Big hit for my armor dreams

[high rivet]

I know there's that one thorn change on that rune

[eternal pilot]

Yeah cause it also increased the shards damage and added 2 more shards?

[high rivet]

Are we getting the physical thorns runes yet

[north talon]

yeah it is something like 50% more damage but 66% more shards

[eternal pilot]

It didnt go from 6 shards to 8?

[north talon]

you get 2 more from quality up to 10

[eternal pilot]

ooh right

So assuming you stand point blank it can be decent. But I have a gut feeling its going to feel like ass to play. Like we can kinda simulate the playstyle by just using the other shotgun skill

[north talon]

plus I guess poitentially even more from the tree now I guess. Not sure how much exists there. We saw 5% so maybe not

I mean, the effective chain stuff means it will have very consistent pack damage compared to the cone/pierce stuff from other shotguns

[eternal pilot]

Yeah, but its also kinda clumped together with herald of thunder getting its area reduced by 40%

dont know if that will matter tho. It sounds high but maybe it isnt

[north talon]

Personally I expect Galvanic to be strong, but maybe not from Titan since there isn't great lightning support nearby

but maybe it doesn't matter

[eternal pilot]

Do you think ice shards can be used now btw?

like maybe explicitly for leveling with like herald of frost. I cant really wrap my head around the patch note. But I just know that it does literally 0 damage as it is right now

[north talon]

not sure, barely touched that skill before so it is hard to evaluate

[pulsar scarab]

Are there any examples of an invoker being more caster oriented rather than on hit with quarterstaves/bows? I've been trying to find something and I just cant find anything.

[compact perch]

but don't you get those later in A1 or A2?

[inland plinth]

You aren’t wrong but that’s the only way. You could use the spear skill that you get at level 1 explosive spear and use it as a weapon swap

Spear detonates in like 2 seconds vs grandes what 3-4?

Doesn’t really save much time

[eternal pilot]

Amazon with bringer of rain, this passive and deflection. Is the new warrior?

[cinder steeple]

Ohh that's a pretty redesign

But yes, it might work

[eternal pilot]

Doesnt even need alot of strength

[north talon]

bringer of rain seems giga not worth it still

[eternal pilot]

Haha yeah but anything to avoid playing warrior

[cinder steeple]

Dude gladiator is gonna rock

When he releases

But yes, acc + panther seems good

[eternal pilot]

Imagine having block, high evasion and deflection on a "giants blood warrior"

[drifting cedar]

I'm doing that on a glacial lance pathfinder assuming the tree doesn't get too scuffed

block, evasion, deflect, leaning into freeze and then consuming freeze with snipe on swap

unless plasma blast ends up being higher damage, in which case I'll just do that

[slender furnace]

Have you played snipe?

[drifting cedar]

Old snipe yes as a payoff only

[slender furnace]

I see so much snipe hype...I played snipe last league...missing the window is so cancer

[drifting cedar]

idk the numbers on new snipe for DMG vs frozen/stunned

well plasma blast is easier in that regard, but snipe can bleed for even more damage

I was going to do fragmentation rounds but they changed it to cold convert

[dire cave]

at least we do know snipe will deal 100% more dmg against unique enemies

[cinder steeple]

Does snipe work with spears?

[formal silo]

do we know where the blackflame node is?

[next moat]

No, it's a bow skill

[bold oxide]

yes its fairly close to the witch/sorc starting area

[formal silo]

oh really like in here?

[cinder steeple]

:(

[sacred sparrow]

Can hulking form augment jewel bonuses?

[formal silo]

ty

[bold oxide]

gonna be fun, thats what im starting

[tulip fog]

i assume we have no idea yet if the new ancestral call skill will gain Honour proportionally to the magnitude of the ignite or if it would be the same amount for all ignites?

[eternal pilot]

These nodes does not interact with each other at all right? Like they dont actually modify the calc from the item slots. they just add them to your total pool I assume?

[stiff hinge]

how the hell do you trigger this if im using ancestral warrior totem w/ rolling slam and a 2h mace

or if im using shcokwave totem
does it snapshot and i have to switch to a crossbow and shoot or smth?

[bright agate]

i think first one only work on base armore you have without any multi

[dire cave]

isnt there a mace skill that fires fire projectiles?

and I think weapon switch does work

[stiff hinge]

if u consider wep switch, does the wep snapshot? otherwise it's... gonna nerf your totem cuz the 2h mace always has more dmg lol

[stiff hinge]

yeah. i think thatll be the play

aiite cool cool. crisis averted.

abysmal attack speed tho

[drifting cedar]

it's pretty slow though, probably worth dual wielding

[unkempt cedar]

stupid question but im looking at the acolyte of chaluya and seeing its very chaos dmg themed, but i dont think chaos dmg rolls on quarterstaffs right? whata the intended weapons to use with this ascendancy?

[stiff hinge]

dual wield fires more proj but i dont think it actually makes it swing faster to proc the passive.

they didnt change xbow base stats at all right?

itll still be pretty far behind mace base dmg

[dire cave]

well bonus is it no longer forces you forward

[stiff hinge]

forge hammer has proj tag but no jagged ground.. maybe thatll be the play. idk its speeds or anything yet.

[dire cave]

you can probs test it before 0.3 launch

[gleaming kite]

The game isn’t that restrictive, you could use any weapon with any ascendancy. It is also not exactly necessary to run chaos damage though it may be more optimal, it largely depends on what skills you are using also. Unarmed or armed Quarterstaff, essence drain/contagion, bow I think will all be strong options for chayula

[dire cave]

since it will mostly be untouched other than not being forced forward

[stiff hinge]

i think instead of rolling slam totem, use the molten blast or forge hammer to trigger and use molten fissure totems lol

[unkempt cedar]

i find it hard to think outside the "archetype" for each class / ascendancy, i always end up going, eg quarterstaff for monk, i guess if i played a lot more i'd get a better feel for more interesting builds

[gleaming kite]

Nothing wrong with sticking to the defaults either

[stiff hinge]

Forge Hammer**: Hurl** a fiery hammer that **Slams **into the ground and lodges there. While the hammer is lodged in the ground, reusing this Skill recalls the hammer and resets the Skill's cooldown. Alternatively, using a Warcry near the lodged hammer causes it to shatter, releasing a number of Molten Fissures in a spiral.

This sounds like a projectile slam.

[eternal pilot]

Was deflection a prefix or suffix on gear?

[atomic halo]

suffix

[eternal pilot]

thats disgusting

[inland plinth]

more suffix pressure. luckily some suffix pressure was alleviated with the stat nerf

[dire cave]

sounds like projectile aoe

I wouldnt say its a slam

[atomic halo]

they literally bolded the word "slam"

[dire cave]

can mean a few things

[atomic halo]

it's capitalized

[inland plinth]

if the hammer has the projectile tag does that mean the skill can be scaled via projectiles and projectile supports can modify the skill?

[atomic halo]

they only capitalize when it's referring to a specific mechanic (if it wouldnt be otherwise capitalized)

[atomic halo]

does it? i dont think it's really a projectile imo

[inland plinth]

im out here trying to throw 5 thor hammers and erupt all of the fissures with a warcry

[dire cave]

probs only the throwing part

[atomic halo]

i highly doubt you can just get + proj and double damage it etc.

[dire cave]

worked with fissure

[atomic halo]

in what way

i mean i dont think you can get multiple hammers in the first place

if you could, yeah that should work

[dire cave]

volcanic fissure with gmp had more projectiles

[atomic halo]

there is no projectile tag

[inland plinth]

That answers that question. Someone above said it did I just hadn’t gotten around to checking yet

[raven siren]

Is pob2 updated yet?

[atomic halo]

no

they can't update on info we dont have

[raven siren]

Ahh I thought they normally post all the info the day before

[stiff hinge]

fucks sake so theres literally only one skill in the game that unbricks this fucking node? lol

[dire cave]

thought of weapon switch to xbow?

[atomic halo]

the equivalent would be very good in poe1, im sure you can figure it out here as well

[raven siren]

I wanna make a chayula hallowed palms monk but im unsure how viable It can be lol

[atomic halo]

nobody knows because it all depends on hollow palm flat phys scaling

[slender furnace]

Didn5 we have this in poe 1 and everyone hated it?

[atomic halo]

it's focused ballista support

which i used on tr with selfcast + ballista

[raven siren]

yeah, and hallowed palms scales on skill lvls and with no weapons we lose alot of lvls 😛

[dire cave]

I see you are also interested in hollowed palm monk

[frosty finch]

I bet hollow palm is gonna be shit lmao

[static plinth]

Here's hoping they take that into account

[dire cave]

we dont know now do we

[raven siren]

Im floating around the idea of CI/ evasion/deflect with ES leech lol

[dire cave]

thinking the same here but without CI and I'd run invoker monk for meditate

being chaos immune is nice but it also isnt too hard to get chaos res capped

[raven siren]

I just like ignoring that entire mechanic, and doing chaos damage 😄

[dire cave]

also with chayula you'd get +10% max chaos res and double chaos res no?

[slender furnace]

I have a strong feeling hollow palm will be the bait of the league...I also think it will be strong as a second build once you have good gear for it.

[dire cave]

wouldnt that make CI less usefull on chayula

[raven siren]

you skip that ascend

[teal dock]

Guess I'll decide between Chonk and Blackfire Spell on Hit Smith depending on what the passive skill tree has

[raven siren]

but yeah with no pob yet I might end up starting summoner because they can get to maps in full white gear and ms boots because summoner things lol

[dire cave]

no accuracy for minions anymore

🙂

[raven siren]

I still remember last league buddy just blasting through all maps and in disc while streaming goes oh I have 3 empty slots still I should get some gear...

[dire cave]

depends on the minion

a lot of spectres got reservation increases

and some minion commands got changed

[teal dock]

Time for a bunch of skeleton warriors using Dark Defiler and Nebuloch 😉

[raven siren]

He just runs brutes and I think they got better lol

[dire cave]

brutes got better yes

still expensive af tho

[rich spruce]

Hi, looking for a build for 0.3, wana something who explode big and tanky, any suggession ?

[raven siren]

He did all content on like 3D last league lol

[dire cave]

reservation did get nerfed for minions

no longer reduced reservation instead its reservation efficiency

so you would need more spirit than last league

[raven siren]

oh right, he didnt have all the endgame spirit stuff so his max was like half of what his perfect build woulda had but yeah that will likely make it more expensive

[shut basalt]

What are the upsides of Lightning Archon's convert all damage to lightning?

Is it just that your inc lightning damage from the tree will apply to the non-lightning damage you have

Fire Archon = bigger ignites, Cold Archon = more freeze uptime

Lightning Archon seems less useful

[north talon]

we have the other archons?

[shut basalt]

just mentioned in the release stream

[north talon]

Then it is the same as all of them. Scaling one damage type is easier, and more/better shocks

[shut basalt]

Does shock depend on the size of your hit?

[north talon]

yes

[shut basalt]

I thought it was just a fixed value

[north talon]

nope, big hit = big shock

[shut basalt]

Looks like it's the chance to shock that scales with the size of the hit

the size of the shock doesnt depend on the hit

it's 20%, times whatever 'increased Magnitude of Shock you inflict' you have from tree + skill

[pale niche]

Chaos Firestorm Chonk?

[inland plinth]

The only chonk in my life is my cat

[high rivet]

Was thorns ever a viable late game build? I got fairly far with it last time, but not t15's

It felt great until I stopped

[inland plinth]

I’ve seen thorns builds do t4 simulacrum

[subtle jetty]

You guys excited for diablo 4?

[dire cave]

saw a wind dancer thorn loop last league somewhere

clearing screens

[inland plinth]

That was the one I saw doing sim 4

[simple dome]

prolly a dumb question are we gettign a new ep for skills this sesaon?

season

[minor dragon]

hey guys

what will be a good leaguestarter

[high rivet]

thorn loop?

i had planned on doing warbringer i guess, but id love to see what the community had come up with

[inland plinth]

It essentially caused periodic explosions because of how wind dancer worked to apply its thorns style gameplay

Took advantage of some poison too I believe to have more damage

There is a video on YouTube somewhere that’s where I saw it

[uncut bay]

deadeye lightning arrow or gas arrow

[pliant edge]

Smith of kitava bone shatter leap slap

[rugged sand]

😮 only 23 hours until all the streamers call the league shit and quit after 2 days 😮

[vital kettle]

So i only really played a bit of poe 2 version 1, so coming back i was wondering if ev/es hybrid using stalking panther for es chest and ev others would be good.

[quartz cairn]

What're yall planning to do at league start? I can't decide between ice shot/la/quarterstaff deadeye, monk, tactician, Arc something, or edc lich.

[ancient lodge]

Outside the giga ES juicers, it seems that most peopl have ~4.5-6k HP.
Maybe +1.5k HP (25-33% more) from AoC darkness is not so bad after all.
(copium)

[dire cave]

invoker hollow palm monk

[ancient lodge]

Blackflame Chayula Monk

[bright agate]

Blackflame lich with detonate dead

[bold oxide]

blackflame blood mage

[bright agate]

Blackflamgaiming

[winter vine]

Any experienced player with MoM from tree please ?

[frail sedge]

Is there currently any way to convert physical to fire dmg other than avatar of fire?

[dire cave]

outside of gem conversion you mean?

[frail sedge]

yeah

outside of the innate conversion of certain gems

[dire cave]

not to my knowledge no

it may or may not change this coming league tho

we'll have to see

[bright agate]

For now nope

[pale niche]

Would be nice to know how Mortar Turret actually work

[bright agate]

I know right ?

Sadly we need to wait 22h

[teal dock]

How rare is the Original Sin ring?

/ expensive

[dire cave]

I mean it is more common than in poe 1

but you probs still gotta sell an organ to get it

[inland plinth]

Yeah it’s not nearly as rare as Poe1 it can be chanced and is in the normal drop pool

[dire cave]

the new omen could drop the price of it

depending on how common the omen is

[teal dock]

🙏

[bright agate]

Probably divine

Or more

[teal dock]

Wanting one for my Smith build eventually lol

[bright agate]

Huh

[inland plinth]

That was what I said when I read that

[bright agate]

Chaose dmg smith seems funny but expensive

[teal dock]

😅

[honest grail]

smith is just a defensive allrounder, people were playing lightning spear smith in 0.2 lol

[bright agate]

I mean you going to have volcanic things and other fire stuff puls i think smith have some passive fire dmg soo it might work

[teal dock]

Chaos Perfect Strike sounds fun

Smith does get cast fire spell on hit as well which I was wanting to use

[bright agate]

Spear was mistake

[honest grail]

oh yeah fire spell on hit is goofy

it's just hard to take alongside the body stuff and maxres, but maybe you skip body and go tempered weapon as well

[teal dock]

Was gonna start with Blackflame covenant and living bomb on hit, maybe use firewall to ignite and get a bunch of attack damage vs ignited foes

Or just ignite with living bomb lol

[honest grail]

I'm kinda hoping the new abyss craft stuff gives another source of max fire res

or that there's still some in warrior tree

but I can still hit 85% without that which is good

[bright agate]

Hmm thorns deal phys dmg ?

[bright agate]

I think they will add something for res but meabye not max res

Probably something with armor absorbing portion of elemental dmg

[ancient lodge]

There's really a lack of support for spell dmg in monk start area hm.

[teal dock]

Might be more friday

[dire cave]

tbf tho monk wasnt meant to be a spell caster

[frail sedge]

if you convert all fire to physical, do you lose the physical attack type bonus to stunning targets?

[atomic halo]

do you mean all physical to fire?

[frail sedge]

yeah

sorry

[atomic halo]

if so, yes, because you are not dealing physical damage

so they take fire damage and there is no bonus at any point

[frail sedge]

and outside of stun threshold maps, can you still stun normal mobs from 1 hit if you spec some talents into it?

maybe on titan

[balmy tulip]

guys i've made my first build on poe 2, it has a budget version, and a uber version, what do you think is this good enough as a league start ? https://pobb.in/HNlo2LyAqRbP

it should have alot of clear wave because arc will be a projetile so i will increase the number of projetiles (45%ish chance for 2 add projec) with Split buff from mana tempest

[gray ferry]

titan crushing blows should help

[frail sedge]

yea that's what I mean, was wondering if someone tried a full fire conversion+stun build on titan

[gray ferry]

You can see this guy heavy stun packs with ranged fire attacks using Titan and some heavy stun investment on tree
https://youtu.be/DMDLlx6sQfw?si=2TT9gSplHI-ISgWX&t=62

though this is 4 months ago, I guess you'll have to see how things are in new upcoming patch but the idea is there

[proven rapids]

What’s a good in poe2 when using big phy hit ? How can you bring good clear to a skill with little to no aoe ?

[frail sedge]

noice, thx

[gray ferry]

maybe poison proliferation with herald of plague

[subtle jetty]

Lightning Arrow/Rod Siege Ballista Gas Grenade Mortar Cannon Ancestral Spirit Minions Warbringer is the way.

[proven rapids]

Is trampletoe an option too ?

[gray ferry]

Maybe, I don't have much experience with that item

[quiet forge]

Splashes your overkill in an aoe, its alright

[scarlet sandal]

Any conversion if 100% whatever the damage is converting to is the new modifier.. so 100% fire to cold only cold will affect it. That blackflame node converts fire to chaos, although ignite modifiers should still work only chaos dmg will increase.

[proven rapids]

Can you apply support to skills provided by support gems like stomping ground ?

Or battershout, volcanic erruption etc.

Impending doom too

[eternal meadow]

I think it's like in PoE1 - if they're in the same support chain, it works

Just can't support independently from parent skill

[proven rapids]

Ok, that's great if it work like this then, totem explode build will be amazing

[subtle jetty]

Wish we had a spell totem in poe2

[north talon]

gotta wait for templar

[round escarp]

Does elemental invocation stop channeling skills?

[jovial pine]

does any minnion do chaos damage

[north talon]

specters can

[velvet blade]

Anyone know if Hand of Chayula bypasses the Sniper's Mark cooldown?

[slender furnace]

Does it bypass the current cd?

[velvet blade]

No idea how it works. The text says it "triggers" socketed marks on hit but I don't know how meta skills interact with cooldown skills

[abstract grove]

is guard just a 1 for 1 extra hp? like 6 guard = 6 hp taken before life

[atomic halo]

yeah

[abstract grove]

man if devastate is actually gone then WB stocks go up

[untold glen]

Not sure, but what I do know is that mark skills are considered spells now so cast on crit builds using it are out 😂

[honest peak]

yo anyone have any chalupa builds?

planning to league start with it

[velvet blade]

Yeah, no casting of marks, but Hand of Chayula "triggers" marks on hit. Could be good if it ignores cooldowns

[neat radish]

Ranger, and Merc who does Galvanic shards best? or just crossbow using it like a automatic machine gun best?

[round escarp]

What did devastate do?

[abstract grove]

fully break armor on heavy stun

[round escarp]

I think you can still get that on the passive tree

[keen dagger]

How bait is fire chonk

[round escarp]

But yeah that definitely makes WB more valuable

[abstract grove]

shattering blows works for normal/magic enemies, so regular mapping with armor explosion.. but the 3 points to get to it are pretty bad

[verbal merlin]

anyone else looking at tactician changes and wondering if you can do an "aura" bot by placing a bunch of ballistas and banners?

[untold glen]

Fingers crossed. Deadeye with quarterstaff anyone? 😂

[velvet blade]

That's what I was planning. Hollow Palm then switching to quarterstaff late game but if charge generation is terrible then I probably won't

[untold glen]

Yeah, I’m sure there will be a way to make it work, it’s more of a question of how much investment you’ll need imo.

[woven otter]

power charge generation got hit hard by the frenzy generation nerfs

[round escarp]

Low-key Gemini is pretty good at helping plan out a build

[untold glen]

One of the positives I’m seeing for Warrior at least is the new vanguard support gem.

If poe2db can be trusted, it gives 6 guard per 10 strength with a heavy stun and 2 for light stun.

Should be a big help with mapping survivability though boss fights might still struggle.

[inland plinth]

They just recently changed the evasion formula so evasion may have just gotten cooked anyways

All hail mercenary that can do both

[wise sierra]

opinions on that are so divided right now, but here's hoping it's not too horrible

What's the goto plan for bloodmage for everyone that's league starting it so far ?

[autumn pond]

I think I was asking the wrong chat earlier but, what's a good cheap specter, looking for one that costs less than 30 spirit.

[pliant edge]

Chaos fireball

[wise sierra]

ok, that does sound like fun

[subtle jetty]

Do nodes like Sharpened Claw with 25% increase attack damage affect totems? I assume yes since they all have the attack tag.

[subtle musk]

oh shit.
is that torent they just posted what the smart people need to extract the skill tree?

[next moat]

Probably not. For 0.2 the torrent was missing the tree.

[wet night]

broo if itll be !! xD

[inland plinth]

Tree or riot

[vestal sequoia]

any leaks since the torrent dropped ?

[subtle jetty]

gibs tree

[scarlet sandal]

Im going multi proj crit arc blood mage:3

[wise sierra]

ok that sounds interesting, although I have no idea how that works.

[dire cave]

what are the odds ggg will release hollow palm phys damage numbers before update?

[wise sierra]

at least 500 to 1 against

[bold oxide]

ed/c to start then swap to blackflame fireball as soon as you have a way to reliably generate infusions

[round escarp]

They killed snap 😭

It has a 4 second CD

[bold oxide]

its still good

combine that with other ways like the new spirit gem and living bomb and it should be fine

[tight fog]

Lets goo stormweaver for life

[round escarp]

Yeah honestly it'll still be fine. Reduce the cooldown on snap via Gem and passive and might be able to get it to around 2 seconds

[soft wren]

CHRONOMANCER GANG RISE UP

[slender finch]

what op build for tomorrow?

[round escarp]

And just use it manually to get infusions for firestorm

[scarlet sandal]

Arc

[round escarp]

Op build? Deadeye

[soft wren]

lightning spear tangleturd chicken deadeye (they totally didn't nerf it to the ground)

[slender finch]

so the usual build then

[scarlet sandal]

Deadeye is always strong but bows will be Hella expensive

[main spear]

Might go deadeye hollow palm

[slender finch]

but i hear eva/es is deadage

[soft wren]

nah I was kidding.. seems like casters are in a really good place rn. going int+mana stacker chrono myself. gear should be pretty damn cheap for the most part and got some solid buffs

[reef kelp]

Sooo for third edict I'm doing a warrior but having a hell of a time deciding what ascendancy to go for

[inland plinth]

I’m glad I changed off of a build that revolved around snap before they added a cooldown I would’ve been betrayed had that happened with a full planned out BM build

[pearl glade]

How's it looking for hollow palm?

[quiet forge]

Warbringer unless you have a good reason to go titan or kitava.

[night rune]

So was the tree in the torrent?

[hoary bolt]

wow deflect formula is legit horrible

[next moat]

What do you need to hit 100% on T15 stuff?

[hoary bolt]

like 50 million

[next moat]

Alright, T1 mods only it is

[brisk leaf]

Quick math gave me %45 deflect at 5k rating

[atomic halo]

you can't really get 100%

[hoary bolt]

i had ai make me a calc, checks out

[next moat]

Tbf, this math assumes no support from the tree right?

[brisk leaf]

Yep

[atomic halo]

as in the formula is punishing enough that you would need a completely ungodly number to even get close to 100%

[next moat]

There could be some flat % and "increased %" nodes.

[hoary bolt]

gain is only from base stats right

not from base * tree scaling

[next moat]

Haha I know exactly what you're thinking

[inland plinth]

The math assumes nothing from the tree or any affixes on gear if there are any

[next moat]

And yes, believe that's how gain works

[brisk leaf]

I think you need blind to hit 100% realistically

[hoary bolt]

like if you gain 100% of evasion as deflection it would be based on the ~4000 evasion from gear rather than the actual 20000 you have, correct?

[brisk leaf]

I think it's based on the 20k

Based on what I saw in the videos

[atomic halo]

with 1500 accuracy, you would need 127,000 deflection rating to hit 95%

99% would require 670,000

[brisk leaf]

Yea, blind meta

[next moat]

well I like big numbers, but POE 2 doesn't like numbers quite that big

Yeah @hoary bolt we might be hoping for some new blinds nodes in Merc region

[hoary bolt]

im picking up the attack speed + blind one

already

27% chance total with the small

[next moat]

Blind is 4 seconds by default?

[hoary bolt]

ye

[atomic halo]

you probably settle for something around 85-90% realistically

[eternal meadow]

Am I understanding Deflect formula right that it'll have 10% deflect chance at 0 rating?

[next moat]

I think it wayyyy too much to lose an amulet, but The Pandemonius would basically guarentee blind for xbow frost builds.

[atomic halo]

huh, it does suggest that

[eternal meadow]

I don't like that, assuming that enemies also get that.

[atomic halo]

pretty weird either way if you do get 10% for doing literally nothing

[hoary bolt]

enemies wont have deflection

[eternal meadow]

Ok, that's good then

[next moat]

you also get 6% evasion at character start too

Or did

I realize that's level-relative and that was 6% on the beach haha

[hoary bolt]

ok so for tactician purposes: 750 armour gloves, 1100 helmet, 400 boots, and 2200 or so from body = 4550 * .2 = 910 deflection = 21%

thats not very good

Glancing Blows does boost that quite a bit

but only to 37.5%

[next moat]

If you start at 10% base, that means it only gives like 11% total?

[hoary bolt]

yeah

[next moat]

That legit feels not appealing enough to be an ascendency then

[quiet forge]

You need to take deflect nodes on the tree

[next moat]

We're discussing a node that is "Gain Deflection from Armour" though. Gain is usually off base.

So it'd have to be a whole lot of scaling of deflection directly from the tree.

[hoary bolt]

let me factor in blind and say a 6m accuracy penalty though

[quiet forge]

21% still feels huge to get from one node in a half-completed build

I doubt it calls out only armor

[next moat]

tbf his numbers are endgame gear

[hoary bolt]

30% at 6m against a blinded target

[quiet forge]

No but you have to apply the skill tree itself don't you?

[next moat]

"Gain" keyword is only base

[hoary bolt]

the passives we saw were simply evasion to deflection

and a single 10% increased notable for 5 passives

[next moat]

Yeah a bit anti synergistic

[hoary bolt]

im not spending 5 for 10% increase

[quiet forge]

Add a shield and then factor in for a character's base evasion please

[next moat]

xbow build 🙂

[eager valley]

ye, looking at the formula, it's unlikely there would be direct increases to deflect chance, only smth like tactician stuff or like revealed affixes where relevant defense mech invests more into chance

[hoary bolt]

i can add a shield just to test one sec

[next moat]

Maybe it'll turn out the Tactician node does apply to scaled armour value after all

[quiet forge]

it's around 1k for an armor shield so 200 deflect & whatever that adds to the formula

[hoary bolt]

21% deflect with a 1000 armour shield added

[untold prawn]

do we know if that arc patch note *with the wrong numbers was actually a buff yet?

[hoary bolt]

with no blind/accuracy penalty added

24% with blind

34% at 6m with tactician accuracy penalty + blind

[next moat]

There's going to be some new Unique boot called "Silverflash" that gives 40% flat deflect and 10% movement speed.

[next moat]

ehh, if blind is suitably easy enough to maintain consistently, it will help.

[hoary bolt]

so ideal circumstances with pure armour gear with a total base of 5450, you get 21% baseline, 24% with blind, 34% at 6m with blind, and 56% with glancing blows

[quiet forge]

FWIW there's a node for this

[hoary bolt]

what node

[quiet forge]

Armor defends @ 150% 6m+

[reef kelp]

Is the new tree available anywhere??

[quiet forge]

N

O

[hoary bolt]

well the accuracy penalty node already provides 200% armour in the same passive

so 150% is irrelevant

[next moat]

You will know when it's available because the entire general chat will be spamming login

[reef kelp]

Lol

[next moat]

Ah, are you factoring this? While the "gain" is off base, I'm pretty sure that second node will apply.

[hoary bolt]

why would it base it on armour being more effective

not sure I follow

[next moat]

Isn't the wording, "Defend with 200% of armour"?

[hoary bolt]

yes

only for direct armour application purposes

deflect is not based on armour application

[next moat]

I follow the reasoning.

Yeah, you're prob right.

My only alternative mental path was if the deflect calculation is considered an equal form of "defending"

[hoary bolt]

this has sort of thrown a wrench in my gears

deflect is a lot worse than expected

[quiet forge]

that's 21% from one ascend passive

[next moat]

It's 11%

10% is base value

At least based on the formula we have

[quiet forge]

Still a lot. Huge jump for one click, if we're expecting deflect to go up by 2-3% per node

Also

Don't think we're getting 100% deflect builds like the deadeye mains want

[hoary bolt]

my issue is the blatant lies

[flint trail]

Has anyone else done the math for the new evasion formula. Against a mob with 2k accuracy (relatively average), you now need 160k total evasion to hit the 95% evade cap, almost 3x more than before. Yikes. PS - there are currently no builds that can achieve this.

[hoary bolt]

100% is functionally impossible

[next moat]

Evasion is also better than before though

[quiet forge]

yeah I only ever wanted 50% frankly.

[flint trail]

Lies, its almost 70% worse

[hoary bolt]

it applies to aoe now

[flint trail]

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/5rvyfz7kan

[next moat]

No, it can block all hits now

So its application is more global

[flat ember]

anyone know of a good duo setup?

[quiet forge]

idk how i feel about defensive layers being unified like this

[flint trail]

Cool, enjoy your 73% evade rate instead of 95%

[next moat]

It's essentially an enforced taking of Acrobatics for all characters, with a heavily buffed Acrobatic notable.

• you get deflect scaling.

[quiet forge]

you should pick and choose what your character needs according to the situation you want for them to excel in

[flat ember]

Acrobatics removed, no?

[hoary bolt]

ye

[next moat]

Yes, because it's kind of intrinsic now to the eva formula

[flint trail]

Except you have to take additional passives or affixes to get deflect, and the ratio there is much worse than you might expect

[quiet forge]

trying to stack deflect to 100 just means you're gonna have a bad time, evasion was clearly functional before so anything on top of it is just icing

[flint trail]

GGG stated that 100% deflect is possible, this is untrue based on the formula they gave us.

[quiet forge]

likely playtested with the new changes, found out that evasion+deflection was too strong in current iteration, and shipped a nerfed version

[next moat]

We also don't know the passive node values atm. I agree with the concern based on what we've seen, but at the time they told us 100% was possible, that was also when we saw the node values.

It's possible there was a philosophy shift where they lowered the instrinsic scaling, but increased the passive node values so you gain a greater felt impacted from your choice vs. just getting better eva gear.

[quiet forge]

possible doesn't mean practical either

[flint trail]

I'm glad y'all build around vibes and analogies. The math doesn't lie, 95% evade alone on hits is better than 70% evade + 70% deflect

[eager valley]

We don't know, maybe there is a way for flat scaling on some yet unveiled stuff, tho I doubt

[flint trail]

I'm just tired of hearing "all classes buffed" and seeing one thing in the original patch notes. Then every subsequent day they update it with another page of nerfs.

[flat ember]

70% deflect + 70% evade is what.. 91% avoidance?

[eager valley]

Deflect reduces incoming damage

[flint trail]

Which takes more passives/affixes to achieve.

[atomic halo]

are you just ignoring the built-in acrobatics or what

[next moat]

It's 70% evade and 28% damage reduction as base deflect impact.

[flint trail]

Yes, but unless you are at or near 100% deflect, the one that gets through is your limiter for single hits.

[flat ember]

I'm of the opinion that it's trash, just asking

Just play with a block support boys

[round escarp]

Life tap converts all mana costs to life right?

[flint trail]

Being able to avoid aoe hits is nice, but we used to have a choice. Now its forced and the scaling is worse.

[atomic halo]

i get that it's forced, but isnt the scaling much nicer than 75% less

or even 70% less

[flint trail]

95% less hits taken is a lot better than 70%, with a 70% chance to reduce the hit by 40%.

Now its like 1/8 hits will hit us for full damage instead of 1/20

[next moat]

At the start of this hype cycle, the complaint was that evasion didn't even need a defense boost and was now getting majorly buffed relative to armour. This is still a decent defensive buff to evasion, regardless of the calculation "nerf".

[atomic halo]

im just saying if you think deflection is trash, you can get none of it and enjoy better scaling than acrobatics would have been

so yeah the fact that it's forced now isn't great, but that's balanced out by the better scaling

[flint trail]

Deflection is now, literally the exact same mechanic as block, aside from the source.

[flat ember]

Evade is not completely random though like PoE1 dodge was right?

[flint trail]

dodge and evade were both stats you could get in poe1, and yes only 1 had entropy.

[flat ember]

I know they were both stats, so it still functions like PoE1 evade then?

[atomic halo]

assuming you mean evasion is, that isn't neccsarily bad?

[atomic halo]

evasion has entropy in both games

(i assume by dodge you meant evade)

[flat ember]

(edited)

[flint trail]

Lets just make one identical defense for every attribute. Just call them Red/Blue/Green defense 1. Good plan, very cool and innovative.

[atomic halo]

I'm glad y'all build around vibes and analogies. The math doesn't lie,

i feel like you're arguing around vibes and analogies now and ignoring the math

[quiet forge]

deflect is rather similar to new turtle charm ig, but I don't see the similarities outside of that

block is 100% DR

[flint trail]

Quote me, but I'm the one who actually did the math. You are literally gas lighting yourself into thinking a sizable nerf is somehow a buff.

[quiet forge]

intended, apparently according to the new cap, to be something you only need 50% on

[next moat]

haha yeah block gets nerfed, evasion gets buffed, and we're complaining evasion is the loser here?

[flint trail]

EVASION WASNT BUFFED

[quiet forge]

G

O

O

OD

[atomic halo]

that's not objective

you can't math out the value of having acrobatics

[honest grail]

this is more fun than armour discourse at least

[atomic halo]

except by comparing with actually taking acro, but it wins in that case

[flint trail]

You can't explain both things you apes. "Evasion was buffed" And "It is good that evasion was nerfed". You guys are literal smoothbrains. GL with your 6k EHP meta deadeyes tomorrow. Enjoy getting hardstuck at lvl 88

[honest grail]

1_infraction lol

[next moat]

When you actually play the game, and don't just look at the stats on a spreadsheet, you realize how much you understimate the number of AOEs you run into at endgame.

I'm not implying you don't play the game. My point is you have to make builds both on raw stats AND the content you encounter.

[atomic halo]

ya dont have to start throwing insults man, im not even going to play evasion

[quiet forge]

Who the fuck said I was playing deadeye lmfao

[atomic halo]

but anyway enjoy the timeout

[next moat]

It's notable that it appears they lowered the deflect numbers after the period of heavy playtesting.

[honest grail]

people arguing about evasion is the real buff that armour needs

[quiet forge]

0.2 evasion + 0.3 deflect would have been fucking absurd, I agree

[next moat]

It may not be as good as people initially thought, but I legit had concerns at GGG live time that the game was going to end up way too easy this patch.

It seems like on a few axis of balance, they ended up agreeing it was overtuned in our favour.

[flat ember]

Presumably someone mathed out the average damage reduction 70% deflect provides?

[next moat]

28%

But supposedly you can scale the deflect DR? Maybe?

[honest grail]

it's just 40% of 70 lol

[next moat]

That's assuming 40% base.

Yeah

[quiet forge]

Soul cores

Pretty sure it goes to like 52 or something

[next moat]

Okay so probably $$$ endgame stuff then

But doable

[quiet forge]

at minimum, you can stick one into darkness enthroned

If your build is good you have that belt

[honest grail]

I wonder if anyone ever takes new glancing blows

[next moat]

my wallet gets lighter with every word

[flat ember]

So some people are using those numbers and saying its 98% damage reduction with 70/70? Just trying to figure out what that dude was mad about lol

[next moat]

If you assume that the deflect calculation comes before stuff like armour DR you can get some really high numbers. But I believe that's wrong.

IMO deflect applying before armour would make it the most OP stat in the game.

[flat ember]

Makes sense, if you could scale both deflect and armor easily

[atomic halo]

their argument was pretty all over the place. i think they were upset at ggg for saying all classes were buffed, upset that evasion scaling was changed, and upset that some people liked deflect.

[quiet forge]

I just don't think evasion should be the de-facto solulu to late-game defensive layering. It should be nerfed if literally every fucking build decided to run blue / green HP

[honest grail]

From what I can see all classes are indeed buffed

[soft wren]

if only armour stacking in 2 was half as good as 1

[honest grail]

they're also just nerfed in other ways as well

[quiet forge]

lightning spear was fucking broken, so blame that

that's the biggest archetypical nerf

[honest grail]

I've seen 70k+ armour titans absolutely chilling in poe 2 endgame

[flat ember]

Until they get by a small DoT

[next moat]

It's tough. If you give people preliminary numbers a week ahead, they get excited. If you have to tune down anything before release, they get pissed.

Even though the only people who've actually played and tested the content balancing are the ones changing the numbers.

I'm inclined to give them some benefit of the doubt until we get hands on.

[pine salmon]

anyone has a good trail of sekhemas farmer starter ? i was thinking about going a chayula flicker but not sure if its still viable

[next moat]

Like you want a build to just farm Sekhemas?

The patch notes said nothing about fixing Sorcery Ward's interaction with Honour, so if they really didn't then Witch Hunter for sure.

[pine salmon]

ye did it on release with pcoc but stopped playing for poe 1 so not sure what is currently meta for bossing tbh

[next moat]

But I bet it's stealth fixed.

[eager valley]

Btw what do we get from A4 "trial"?

[quiet forge]

i'm thinking that ehp is gonna be a lot harder to come by this patch

[next moat]

We don't know because there is no A4 trial yet.

[quiet forge]

blue hp regens very slowly now, there's no real leech for it, overflow got kneecapped, evasion formula lowered

bros is red the way?

[pine salmon]

kk will check that out havent heard from it so far

[eager valley]

Oh so it's A4 w/o trial in 0.3.0?

[next moat]

Basically Sorcery Ward can take elemental damage without applying the damage to your honour

Assuming it wasn't changed.

[next moat]

sadly yes.

[pine salmon]

ye just read it looks good

not sure which trail they want to add sanctum and ultimatium are complete or not ?

[next moat]

It'll be Trial of the Ancestors, probably heavily reworked from the POE 1 version.

[pine salmon]

ahh nice

[quiet forge]

coz i think people heard "you can hit 100% deflection" and assumed that meant "normal builds will be capping deflection"

[next moat]

I suppose in fairness, if you equate deflect to spell suppression, isn't it fairly common to spec capped suppression in builds that use it?

Maybe it's a little too much POE1 brain thinking.

[visual viper]

I've not played much PoE 1 but from videos I've seen it takes a lot of divs and crafting time to get really high spell suppress, so I assume the same would be true for deflect

[soft wren]

just a metric ass tonne of high value currency in general to craft any gg end-game gear, as it should be really

[velvet blade]

Is life cost of skills considered "damage taken" for the purpose of recoup effects?

[visual viper]

Don't tell the streamers that, they'll start whining about crafting again

[shrewd cave]

I mean it's not that easy to get ~100% evasion and deflect scales off of it so

[atomic halo]

no

[visual viper]

Been reading through the comments on reddit for the latest notes and Holy, can anyone do anything but doom?

[atomic halo]

paying a cost is not taking damage

[velvet blade]

Ah, dang. Cheers

[atomic halo]

im reading chat here and having a good time

(unlike 0.2.0 that was bad lol)

[visual viper]

Fair

I meant the reddit post foe the new evasion formula. Seeing Acro was gone was kind of crazy but it made sense

[flat ember]

Are towers still the same?

[visual viper]

As far as we know

But new maps and first league

And (most likely) a new pinnacle in the Abyss

[dire cave]

wasnt that already shown during livestream?

[shrewd cave]

New evasion formula kinda crazy tho

You need 55k evasion to get to 90% now, used to be 20k

Against lvl 79 mobs

So deflect is really only like a 15% overall damage decrease

[dire cave]

you mean this line? NEW: The Evasion formula has been adjusted to lower the percentage of hits that will be evaded by a given amount of evasion.

[shrewd cave]

Yea, someone made a graph with the new formula

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/36axvcdbuu

[alpine parrot]

How much for 80%?

[shrewd cave]

Like 30k ish

[alpine parrot]

Damn

[flat star]

assuming red is the new one? That might kill the meta of ES users anointing subterfuge mask

[shrewd cave]

Red is the old one

[grand sentinel]

thoughts on poison build blood mage?https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/q7nci0qp

was thinking of trying out new blackflame keystone and make fireball chaos damage.

[dire cave]

just deal with the 80-85% chance to evade

you dont need the full 90%

just get more layers lmao

[flat star]

I mean I think the real problem with evasion is that people try to 100% it, when it's much more efficient to add some more HP or ES when you have a high percent

[dull pecan]

You can evade all hits idk why we would think it wouldn’t require investment

[dire cave]

you also no longer need keystone to evade slams

[dull pecan]

Yep

[dire cave]

so overall buff to evasion

[flat star]

and it's prob a good thing if subterfuge mask doesn't singlehandedly boost a full-ES build to 30%+ evasion, requiring a little bit of actual investment into evasion to generally stack those layers

[dull pecan]

Trying to 100% is nonsense

70-80+ will be good

[dire cave]

I always try to aim at 85%

this on the other hand is VERY nice Lowered the growth on Monster Evasion Rating with level. This results in level 80 monsters having 30% less Evasion Rating than before.