2┃build-planning

[hoary bolt]

im triggering 20

[mint summit]

I think I might see your problem

[hoary bolt]

actually no maybe I can use inspiration on 2 of the sets

drop the 5th set

[dawn spire]

Lifetap could also help if life sustain isn't an issue

I'm not sure I get the question. Eldritch battery, on its own, makes you less tanky. Pairing it with mind over matter or lots of %damage taken from mana before life is usually how one takes advantage of it

[north heart]

Well I’ve seen the loop is to leap in a pack then boneshatter

Also does smith of katava get resistances easily

[mint summit]

I’m assuming you can’t get leech easily, can you get arcane surge?

[dawn spire]

I'd check what other builds using leap and boneshatter are socket ing for their supports

[hoary bolt]

i can prob get arcane surge

[dawn spire]

If you look at the nodes on their tree you can probably deduce that the answer is a resounding yes

[hoary bolt]

wait no my self cast stuff isnt that high cost

[mint summit]

Clarity support gem, more max mana on gear are others.

[dawn spire]

Are you using any mana flask nodes?

Flask duration, effect, etc

[mint summit]

Also people sleep on Arcane Blossom passive, which is a boost to all mana recovery not just mana regen

[hoary bolt]

I honestly think Chrono fireflower recoup is the best way

which means I need to level a Chrono, rip

actually fireflower might not work

I dont really hit for the first few seconds of triggering

scolds maybe with a self cast skill to start the recoup engine

maybe archmage on weapon swap to hit myself really hard to get it going quick

basically I need to trigger anywhere from 15 to 20 level 27 spells every single second

maybe more

[dire cave]

was simply asking if you run eldritch battery what sources of defence to people typically run for example on mana stackers do you simply rely on damage taken from mana or do you get evasion or freeze just to name a few

[oblique marlin]

got cheap maniac for my charge stacker deadeye, anyone know some unique items that can rely, receive boost or something else from endurance charges?

[hoary bolt]

charge infusion can give you more defenses

also rally

works as a quick heal

[oblique marlin]

yeah sadly charge infusion buff is per type, not per charge, so with default 3 charges same buff as with 5

[hoary bolt]

what about some sort of attack with nebuloch?

[oblique marlin]

interesting item, i see from ninja mostly warriors and infernalists using it

[oblique marlin]

interesting setup if change to full support with Conduit lol, i can generage charges nonstop 9 frenzy 7 power and 5 endurance

[hoary bolt]

theres also a couple amazon molten blast setups

which i would assume could be played on deadeye

pob I yoinked from reddit a few weeks ago https://pobb.in/FYGQ4e3Lm5aa

[sacred pelican]

on rings, can you upgrade accuracy rating with catalysts?

[oblique marlin]

interesting so i can cook something with nebuloch + molten blast, get rid of crti chance this way as it will be 100% always, and focus on crit damage

[oblique marlin]

what if one hand is nebuloch and another hand some another mace. will be 100% crit still while i have endurange charges? or offhand will affect that

[hoary bolt]

it applies to any attack done while the mace is equipped

I was even using shield charge

as long as you attack while the mace is out it will crit

even unarmed punches will crit

[atomic halo]

yes, attack (reaver catalysts) will work

[atomic halo]

https://pobb.in/bGZIp_JKYaHW you might be interested in this pob, although it's only a theoretical pob and not something i got running ingame

[hoary bolt]

I cant decide what ascendancy to run for this build still

im still thinking mana recoup on chrono is the most consistent mana sustain

i need to sustain like 1k per second lmfao

[oblique marlin]

molten blast interesting skill, does nodes reduced movement speed penalty from using skills while moving affect such skills? because molten blast can be main movement skill too

[hoary bolt]

I dont think it does

molten blast cant really be used while moving, more that it moves you when you use it

[oblique marlin]

same as tempest fury in 0.1, ppl use it to move and dont need any movement speed on items etc

• ring with Onslaught + Adrenaline Rush on ammy, will see

i looked quickly, there is no spirit skills that can boost attack speed/skill speed?

[static plinth]

Charge Infusion

[dawn spire]

best answer I can give, if you'r elooking for what people typically do, is to look up all builds that run MoM + EB and see what they do

on poeninja

[oblique marlin]

interesting, if i use Cast on Critical with mace in main hand, and put Sniper's Mark there, it will be casted or not due to incorrect weapon?

[atomic halo]

wdym incorrect weapon

neithr coc nor sniper's mark have weapon requirements

[oblique marlin]

mybad yes, i thought mark its only bow skill

[atomic halo]

and for the pob i linked there are some caveats:

• not sure if coc is enough to sustain end charges (the profane ritual setup does work for falling thunder but those builds have much less aps)
• not sure if mana sustains
• not sure if the various dot sources (nebuloch, belt) is too annoying
• singletarget is scuffed as there aren't ready sources of corpses, probably need some minions swap to generate corpses

also now that i look at it, CI would be great, but i cant find a place to put my timeless jewel otherwise

i guess i just go to the acrobatics one

[oblique marlin]

i have Hateforge + Pragmatism + Scold + Bijouborne to generate all charges infinitely nonstop
plus this helps with mana

[atomic halo]

yeah that concept also works, but the problem i had is that it looked way too squishy

i have another pob for that setup

[oblique marlin]

at least with mace i can wear some good shield and not be so squishy
but ye all other slots is uniques mostly

[atomic halo]

my main issue is with pragmatism, the body armour is the source of just so much defence

[oblique marlin]

Serpent's Egg can replace with rare ammy too

[atomic halo]

and with pragmatism taking up that slot i find it really hard to build decent defence

oh wait you did a deadeye version, what are the chargs for then

just supports that consume charges for bonuses?

^ still just theoretical and something i threw together in pob

[oblique marlin]

yes trying now Barrage = 20 skill repeats at same time with roll dodge abuse (can repeat it 4-5 times) but need good bow for that

[atomic halo]

concept here is just triple elemental infusion

wait

that one doesnt even work

infusion pretty bait

[oblique marlin]

concept with Powertread + Nebuloch to hit huge crit damage numbers can be too

crit damage has a cap?

[atomic halo]

no cap

[oblique marlin]

Dance with Death + one Trenchtimbre (43% ias with corruption and socket) visually provides much more speed than
2x Trenchtimbres (43+43 ias)
with Molten blast.
it must be the same no? as DwD is 25% skill speed and skill reduction speed with duals and Molten Blast is -15%, so -40% total, but second weapons is +43% ias

[static plinth]

You dont add the attack speeds together

You average them then apply the negative

So itd be (1.43+1.43)/2*0.85

Or whatever the actual aps is

[hybrid ocean]

Do bound spectres just stay at the level they were in the area you captured them?

[dawn spire]

no, their level is determined by the level of the bind spectre gem

[tropic onyx]

im running out of buildss help byronn

[crude pine]

Even with recoup chrono the shortest time before recoup is 3.2s, you need to allow for some ramp time

[tropic onyx]

my fireball one didnt work out, my damage fell off HARD at the end of act 2 like i was doing 900 damage a second against emanra or whatever their name is

[crude pine]

You can hit 100+% mana recoup though so should be able to sustain large mana costs

[dawn spire]

you tried ice shot acolyte of chayula yet?

[tropic onyx]

actually iceshot was my next build i was gonna do on a rhoa, but then i didnt know how id shatter the ice

i saw theirs a unique that shatters on chill but then id have to somehow reach endgame

i have so many ideas but all of em require me to some how make it to endgame

all my build ideas suck at levelling but good at endgame

[crude pine]

You can always do something different for leveling, like rake stomping ground or mace

Doesn’t have to be your main endgame ability

[tropic onyx]

yeahh true

i guess thats what i should do then if its what it take

[dawn spire]

sadly there are only like 3 builds I can recommend during the campaign:

1. Rake
2. ED/C
3. Stomp

[tropic onyx]

ed/c?

[dawn spire]

essence drain/contagion

[tropic onyx]

i see

idk how to do that, all the guides i watch have insane gear early game already from other characters, i dont have that lol

[dawn spire]

1. Cut contagion
2. Support it with persistence and magnified effect
3. Use basically any other spell to help kill stuff (including innate spells from weapons). As a pack is getting infected, run to the next pack.
4. Laugh as the whole map dies in that fashion.
5. Once you can cut a level 3 gem, make essence drain.
6. Support it with chain and zenith
7. Contagion spreads essence drain's debuff, so it's insane.
8. Optionally, use a second essence drain for bosses if you do this, use hourglass + zenith on the bossing one and chain + swift affliction on the clearing one.

Try to get +level of chaos gems. Get chaos and spell damage nodes on the tree.

Much later on, use dark effigy + envenom + concentrated effect for more boss dps

[tropic onyx]

okayy ima be a blood mage im assuming just dont put my ascendancy points in until im ready to go to my main build?

because i might as well keep trying to make my fireball build work

[dawn spire]

if you want a little more oomph and you can afford the mana, despair + decaying hex + inspiration (or heightened curse if mana is fine) helps

[dawn spire]

is the fireball build not working? what level are you?

[tropic onyx]

its not that its not working i just do negative damage before i can get to fireball, i was fighting amanra or something like that and i had 900 damage per second on my ember fusilade and like 6 full combos with my flame wall and solar orb didnt even reach 25 percent health damage

i was TICKKLING

[dawn spire]

oh, you don't have fireball unlocked yet?

[tropic onyx]

i cant reach fireball but i know the moment i reach fireball is when i can actually do something

[dawn spire]

flame wall and solar orb don't combo together at all, basically

ember fusillade has some neat tech, actually. I'd recommend using two of them.

You can build them up separately

so you build one, then build the second one. While the second is building, the first will fire off

and repeat

[tropic onyx]

well solar orb is for the ignite proc and i have bonus damage if enemies have ailments, and flame wall is to make ember fusillade do more damage by passing through it

[dawn spire]

flame wall also ignites

and ember fusillade will also ignite

what does your waepon look like?

my guess is your tree and/or weapon are lacking damage

also your supportsd

what supports are you using?

[tropic onyx]

well before i died it was 63 percent spell damage, 54 percent fire damage and plus 2 all fire skills

[tropic onyx]

for ember fusilade i basically had zenith and concentrated blast for max damage

[dawn spire]

was zenith actually activating?

like, were you above 90% mana?

[tropic onyx]

yeahh i tap it so my mana regens faster than my casts

and i keep my movement speed

[dawn spire]

I'm confused about your current status - you mentioned your staff you were using before you died. Are you making a new character? are you currently using those fire spells and still struggling?

[tropic onyx]

i havent made a new character because i dont really have a plan

im scared if i just go do it again ima have the same result of no damage

[dawn spire]

oh, so you're not currently struggling with anything except deciding

[tropic onyx]

so im sitting here trying to plan my path

[dawn spire]

do you know what build you want to play?

like at all

[tropic onyx]

my goal is basically trying to get to where i was as fast as i can because yesterday was a 9 hour run i lost (i know im bad 9 hours and didnt even get past act 2)

[tropic onyx]

yeah a pure fireball crit build

[dawn spire]

rakestomp is, bar none, the strongest leveling build I've ever seen in poe2

but if you play it, everything else will feel bad

and it might ruin the campaign for you because you'll just be rakestomping on every character until they nerf it

[tropic onyx]

yeahh because im not gonna level all the way to like 60 i just wanna speedrun until i unlock fireball

[dawn spire]

then here's what you do

1. Use whatever to get to a t3 gem to unlock rake
2. Support it with stomping ground and brutality
3. Cut herald of ash whenever you get a spirit gem
4. Take (and I'm completely serious) nothing but attribute nodes on the tree, getting strength every time. Go along the route you want to do on your build to minimize refund costs.
5. Optionally, skill/attack speed nodes are also pretty decent

[tropic onyx]

hmm okayy il ltry it! i keep all my gems so i have alot of t3 gems and stuff

[dawn spire]

also, another tip: if you have stash space, don't upgrade your gems (unless they have quality or extra sockets)

if you want to go from a level 2 to a level 3 gem, for example, remove the level 2, cut a new level 3, stash the level 2, and put your supports on the new one and re-add it to your hotbar

[tropic onyx]

oh why

[dawn spire]

so you can save gems

[crude pine]

flame wall and solar orb are not primary damage abilities. They are helpers for projectile damage and crit procs respectively

[dawn spire]

depending on how much you die, it can help if you run low on uncut gems

[crude pine]

you will always have a bad time if you try and use them as primary damage abilities

[tropic onyx]

well seeing as im on my 9th character and never made it past act 2... speaks alot

[dawn spire]

well rakestomp might be your ticket to act 3

[tropic onyx]

like this is my weird gem stash of deaths lol

[tropic onyx]

ouu okay ill try it!

oh my i see what u mean by contagion, i just wiped a whole horde in a second lol

[hasty nebula]

anyone try a build that tries to chain hammer of the gods?

[crude pine]

unlikely to work, you could maybe chain bosses but a random white mob has ~1 power

you would need 20 white mob heavy stuns before getting to drop a hammer

[hasty nebula]

thats right, it would be for bosses only. whites would die instantly

maybe this is just kinda pointless because good hammer damage would 1 shot a t4 boss anyways?

[crude pine]

t4 boss has 36m hp, probably not

build seems possible for bossing yeah

[hasty nebula]

arnt other classes 1 shotting t4 bosses?

[crude pine]

there are only two abilities in the game that I'm aware of that can 1 shot t4 bosses and that's Wind Serpent deadeye and (almost) Plasma Blast

Those are because those have enormous damage scaling, much more than hotg

[oblique marlin]

so folks there is no ways to cast NOT spells automatically? all spirit cast on skills works only with spells
but attacks can not be autocasted anyhow, ye? for now in this patch

[crude pine]

only spells

[atomic halo]

same as poe1, cast on setups will never be able to trigger attacks

closest thing is like totems or ballistas or specific skills like voltaic explosion from voltaic mark

[tropic onyx]

wow... i see what u mean how rake stomp is crazy, one shot draven before he finished his starting voiceline lol

[hoary bolt]

ok im sustaining 16 ember fusillades right now at level 17 gems

the solution ended up being scolds recoup and a ton of mana regen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPzlpPpJ5QM

also jungroan already commented on the first test, rest in peace

[crystal lichen]

hi guys anybody got a good atlas tree i can try

[tropic onyx]

ouu maybe i could use this for my build im going for

[crude pine]

in case it is useful, you can reach 114% mana recoup over 2.8 seconds with this setup (Pliable Flesh notable is allocated for 3.2s recoup but not shown here)

Recoup counts as recovery so Arcane Blossom applies, but it's a time and not magnitude multiplier like PoB is doing

[north pivot]

@dawn spire not sure if you want to know but I found that the RakeStomp dropped in damage from early Act 3 so I specced into these companion nodes to respec at 2nd lab and damage was more than the pathing you take towards the Fire nodes with just Str.

for Incinerate PF to refresh memory 🙂

after 2nd lab, can remove those nodes

[hasty nebula]

oh, wow, any ideas on what the window dps needs to be for windserpent to 1 shot a t4 boss is?

[north pivot]

That pathing gives 152 str without gear + companion damage nodes

which apply to the flat damage of Stomping Grounds it seems

and that's level 43.

about 19800 gold worth of respec points.

[crude pine]

not going to write out the full math here, but if the boss is next to a wall (T4 xesht is) and you use infernal cry and stack frenzy charges on deadeye, you do like 20,000% attack damage at level 20 gem

[unique sonnet]

looking to change builds from a bloodmage spark I need something faster for mapping and pinnacle fighting

pref simulacrum

is deadeye the fastest atm?

[oblique marlin]

folks is this intended? it consume frenzy charge on EACH attack, without waiting for speed buff to expire which makes this gem completely useless

[static plinth]

I mean, sounds intended

What skill is that

Rapid Shot?

[static torrent]

At least based on the description, this seems to be working exactly as intended. It just states that the skill will have more Skill Speed on use, and that it will consume a Frenzy Charge on use to gain this effect, not that it will provide a buff for some duration of time. If you're using a skill that attacks rapidly, then those individual attacks are still separate uses.

[oblique marlin]

molten blast, so its just increasing a speed for ONE attack, yes for this skill then its useless

[crude pine]

Consume on use, that’s what it means

There is no duration in the description

[dawn spire]

good shout! I usually try to spec into incinerate when I do the 2nd lab, so I think I'd prefer to be at the fire nodes

[crude pine]

It is meant for builds that generate frenzy charges faster than they use skills

eg flicker strike

[oblique marlin]

hmm. why Capacitor can not be socketed into cast on critical? both is meta skills

[static torrent]

Cast on Critical is not an Invocation.

It would only work in one of the following:

Incidentally, this is why I recommend cutting Support Gems directly into the skill, as it will not show you Support Gems that cannot go into that skill.

[north pivot]

What would you say the priority mods are for Incinerate? +levels to gem -> % spell or fire damage -> cast speed -> extra fire damage ?

[dawn spire]

+levels >>> everything else

[north pivot]

cast speed matters?

so 8 stacks asap

?

[dawn spire]

cast speed is kinda meh except for the fact that it makes you turn faster

so it's kinda nice

but your ignite dps is not really affected by cast speed except for the stacking fire res reduction

on most fights you're gonna get to 8 stacks and just keep holding the button down for the rest of the fight

[oblique marlin]

with Nebuloch so 100% crit chance almost always
plus some nodes increased damage when you deal critical hit recently
but its only HO tests for now

so if attack for example hit for 10k damage, will be 126.4k with crit? or 226.4

[atomic halo]

10000 * 13.64 = 136400

[oblique marlin]

ah ok, gotcha

[rigid kayak]

what class would be the best for flicker strike?

[atomic halo]

there isn't a set answer for that, it's something you have to figure out for yourself.

with that said, you can see what other players are playing flicker on on poe2.ninja.

[tired hornet]

Does Crown of Eyes only converts Spell Damage to Attack Damage or does it also apply to Spell Crit Chance / Spell Crit Bonus?

[crude pine]

Gemling Legionnaire, with Perpetual Charge and 20% qual your change to not remove charges on Flicker Strike is 55%, Gemling can push that to 71% if you take the quality nodes. That's 36% less power charges used. If you use Fox Talisman you can push it even lower, up to 81% with Morior Invictus which is 58% less power charges used

Plus the usual tech (Profane Ritual) also benefits from gem quality - less chance to destroy corpses = more Profane Rituals = more power charge gen

[crude pine]

Only spell damage

[tired hornet]

thx

[willow lotus]

am i missing any node that's good to get ?

[digital vapor]

Does anyone have a good build/guide to a ritualist aura/rarity bot.

[chilly swan]

Does anyone know if damage snapshots for the projectiles from staggering palm? For instance, if I get the buff while I have infernal cry, does each projectile get 25% added fire damage?

Same question goes for the bell... and mantra of destruction.

[tropic onyx]

all critical nodes on the passive tree helps spell critical chance too right? or have i been wasting points

[brisk leaf]

Any mercenaries figure out good defensive tech? I'm at 3k hp, 8k evasion, 6k armour and still not tanky enough. I even have the 10% mana before life notable. Is armour truly pointless? Should I ditch it and go pure evasion?

[inland pelican]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/poglefj31k6r/KioDota-2544/Kio_Huntress

What's next for my build? Saving up for Sacred Flame? (btw chaos res is actually maxed, not sure why it shows a wrong number here)

[crude pine]

is your problem being one shot or losing health over time from small hits?
if it's being one shot, more max hit
if it's losing health over time from small hits, evasion or regen

[chilly swan]

I would probably get the node for added evasion and make sure you run wind dancer.

Added evasion as in... flat 8% chance to evade melee or something.

I'd also probably consider blind and blind effectiveness. Though, honestly, I've not made it to end game as a hybrid armor evasion yet, and am seeing similar issues going through campaign.

[shadow zephyr]

Does Renly's Training (Shield chance = 40% block) override shield block chances higher than 40% with 40%, as well? Or does it just set 40 as the floor?

[chilly swan]

I was wrong. The evade isn't flat. It's a more multi. Still a good node that's often underlooked, like blind effectiveness.

[chilly swan]

There's also charge infusion, defiance banner, scavenged plating. I've also been considering that support gem that gives life on cull. It wouldn't help during bosses, but, if you picked the cullimg ascendency it should restore a ton of hp.

[dawn heath]

If you rake a target with tear support gem (supported skill has chance to trigger on death twice) and it bleeds, does herald of blood and herald of plague have a chance of triggering twice if it dies to bleed?

[midnight obsidian]

unless you only have 1 skill that can cull automatically it's not great

[brisk leaf]

One shot. Sustain is pretty good between cannibalism and 55 life on kill on my weapon.

[dawn heath]

ok

[uncut trout]

Playing deadeye LS and wind serpent, my understanding is that it's not a tanky build in general but what can I do to maximize survivability? I've been taking the ES and evasion nodes but any other main things to look out for defensively?

[stiff hinge]

QUESTION:
Do ES nodes give you more mana when using EB w/ ES gear?

[dire cave]

yes

or at least thats what I would assume

even if it does not its still several hundred extra base mana

[atomic halo]

global inc. es on the tree doesnt

[dire cave]

is rapid assault the fastest hit skill in the game?

[rustic scaffold]

no

[dire cave]

as in the most hits per second

[rustic scaffold]

the big es nodes in the tree do literally nothing if you have eb, basically it's just your es from gear that gets converted into mana.

[dire cave]

trying to get the most amount of chaos DoT on an enemy to scale effigy

since every source of chaos DoT mean +1 proj

poison seems to be the best way to go with splinter or loratta

[rustic scaffold]

decaying hex counts for effigy

[dire cave]

that a curse support?

[rustic scaffold]

yes

[dire cave]

hmm

still think splinter might be best but that is still +1 proj

how fast can one make rapid assault?

[rustic scaffold]

idk if stacking poisons counts as new chaos dots

[dire cave]

idk yet either

leveling a witch to find out

if it does it could be a great source of dmg

since poison is a chaos DoT

it should in theory work

[rustic scaffold]

i know poison it's self counts, just don't know if each stack counts for it's own

worth testing, hard to test with only cap of 2, but yeah if using that spear can have high stack count and should be easy to see if it works or not

though if that does work you'd have like inf proj attack speed on effigy and it'd prob destroy framerate

[dire cave]

Framerate?? Whats that

Played VD CoC in poe1

[covert frigate]

So; I'm playing COC Frostbolt Stormweaver: I recently swapped to CI, what could be causing me to commit suicide?

I constantly die now to suicide.

[rustic scaffold]

do you have anything that damages yourself at all in anyway?

idk about suicide but heavy buffer could kill ci builds

[covert frigate]

what's heavy buffer and IDK?

[rustic scaffold]

heavy buffer is a passive node

[covert frigate]

I'm following the COC Frostbolt build on Maxroll if that's any help.

oh let me check

[rustic scaffold]

gives 40% increased es and causes 5% of damage to bypass es

[covert frigate]

oh i don't got that.

[rustic scaffold]

and you're not running atziri's right?

disdain*

[covert frigate]

yeah. I'm not.

[rustic scaffold]

idk, you're not getting volitility from anything either it seems. idk.
how often does it happen?

[covert frigate]

every map. multiple times.

it's when I'm frostbolting tons of mobs.

was only frostbolt spamming.

[rustic scaffold]

maybe a support gem or piece of your gear causing it

[covert frigate]

i checked my gear; none of my gear has bypass or anything like that.

and my gems are x2 of the sapphire

[karmic geyser]

support gems?

[rustic scaffold]

i said support gems, not jewels.

[covert frigate]

oh

[rustic scaffold]

though idk what support gem could be killing you. are you dying w/o losing your es?

[karmic geyser]

you died while still having ES
you must have something bypassing ES

share PoB if possible

[covert frigate]

on frostbolt: scattershot - acceleration - arcane tempo - energy barrier - pinpoint critical

[rustic scaffold]

would be easier to just have like poe2ninja fetch your character

and share everything

[covert frigate]

on CoC: comet - inspiration - impetus - energy retention - elemental focus

okay. Do I log out and look me up on poeninja?

[dire cave]

only way to commit suicide is some way you sacrifice life

[covert frigate]

oh here will this work?

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/ss0sw9okvms7/Ti89Calculator-6043/SnowConeSteveAustin

it put a .txt as the code.

[rustic scaffold]

anything that works as life as cost (like life tap for exmaple) just simply won't let you cast, not kill you

[covert frigate]

yeah im trying to dig through to figure it out.

it's random as heck. I'll be okay and then bam suddenly die around half mana and full ES

[rustic scaffold]

look at your mana flask

lmao

[covert frigate]

LO

LMAO

thx

[dire cave]

there ya go

[rustic scaffold]

is that it?

i assume so

[dire cave]

I went over his build thrice only mana flask seems to take life

[covert frigate]

let me toss it aside

and test it again

lmfao

[rustic scaffold]

i mean you could also just test by using it in your hideout

but i would say that's the onlything i can see that could prob kill you

[covert frigate]

i tried it in my hideout

[dire cave]

also spearfield seems to better at applying poisons

[covert frigate]

doesn't kill me?

[rustic scaffold]

actually you can't die in hideout i forgot, try it just in a map

[covert frigate]

maybe hideout is a safe area?

[rustic scaffold]

like at the start

ye

you like are hardcoded to be unable to die, i remember doing self damage tests last season for barrier invocation and it giving diff resutls in hideout than in maps

[covert frigate]

lmao thx for finding that for me guys.

I'm actually blind.

[rustic scaffold]

np

[covert frigate]

"What am I doing wrong? I'm just launching orbs....and sucking down my mana flask to do so. IDK how I could be dying."

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[dire cave]

I mean we all have had those moments

I am just hoping poison stacks will increase my projectile count

[rustic scaffold]

game has a lot of reading to do, sometimes you don't read everything

[dire cave]

but cant test that till mid act 3

so far chaos DoT is pretty comfortable tho

[covert frigate]

I swapped from chaos dot. it sucks on those closed in skinny maps.

for me at least.

[rustic scaffold]

i liked chaos dot last season when doing it on my meme duration stacking chrono build

but almost all my wave clear came from just decompose

[dire cave]

most of my clear and about all my bossing will come from effigy

so technically a chaos DoT totem build

[rustic scaffold]

yeah effigy was most my single target

last season chaos dots themselves had very low damage

well contagion/ed

so like single target they only existed to make effigy do damage

[dire cave]

I mean in theory with enough atk speed I should get 30+ proj from spearfield poison alone

hopefully theres a monster that applies chaos DoT aswell for minion

just dunno which

thinking about the chaos comet sorcerers in chaos trials

[rustic scaffold]

expensive but it that hates gives wither which would make your effigy/dots do more damage

[dire cave]

?

[rustic scaffold]

pretty sure it's a form of wither that stacks with your own wither too

[dire cave]

I am not sure I follow

[rustic scaffold]

"it that hates" is a monster

from breach

[dire cave]

hmm

[rustic scaffold]

can grab it in a breachstone, that's easiest way to get breach spectres

'cus their bodies disappear at the end of a normal breach

[dire cave]

what about those creatures that summon chaos comets?

they spawn in chaos trials

[rustic scaffold]

idk what those guys do aside from those meteor things

[dire cave]

neither do I

never invested much into minions

[covert frigate]

I'm curious. Would Polcerkein be good in COC Frostbolt?

[dire cave]

idk are you capped in res?

[covert frigate]

yeA

[dire cave]

so contagion also spreads curses eh

assuming this has to do with decaying hex

[covert frigate]

im capped in res, but cast speed is always good.

[dire cave]

polcirkeln is cold damage and shatter

has no cast speed on it

[covert frigate]

yeah; was tempted to run it over the other ring I've been working to.

which has 10 cast speed and a 22 cast speed.

dunno how much better polcer would be w/ the build.

[dire cave]

polcer is 30% cold damage and shatter chilled enemies

[covert frigate]

so when I chill normally; It'd spam shatter them regardless?

[dire cave]

so instead of freezing chilled enemies you shatter them

I believe shatter has its own damage aswell

and does aoe dmg

but I am not well versed in cold dmg when it comes to poe 2

[covert frigate]

[oblique marlin]

hey folks all close combat support and other passives rely on close range will not work with Molten Blast, correct? because it always casting on this range no matter what
can not cast it closer to character

[dire cave]

will still work if you are point blank

close combat only works within 3.5 meters with max value at 1 meter

[oblique marlin]

this will also not work?

[dire cave]

it will work if you are within 2 meters

[oblique marlin]

as you can see on screenshot skill range always more than that

[dire cave]

so it wont stop if an enemy is right in front of you is what you're saying

so far I havent seen a single skill that doesnt stop on monster hit regardless of range

[static torrent]

I believe Molten Blast has two sets of projectiles, the initial one and then the shrapnel it shoots out after the initial projectile collides with a target or the ground. Either way, as long as the enemy you hit with it is within the 2m range, those passives and supports will work.

[dire cave]

pretty sure initial projectile has more damage aswell the shrapnell is more for clearing trash

[oblique marlin]

shrapnel also for fire exposure

[dire cave]

use solar orb for fire exposure or gear

[static torrent]

Strangely enough, no, their Attack Damage is listed as being the same on the tooltip

Though it was different in 0.1

[dire cave]

looks like only initial projectile has fire exposure chance

[dire cave]

does greatwood support work with ancestral bond?

[willow lotus]

is ember fusilade worth adding on sorceress ? wanted to test it out, but im not sure if pathing towards the skill effect reduction nodes is gonna be a detriment

also, since im on chrono, it was basically going to be a machine gun

[hoary bolt]

Man my builds lately just aren't grabbing my attention for very long.

Also my cast on ignite Fusillade build isnt working out as well I had hoped

energy generation seems to be the main issue

[oblique marlin]

is this just for the next attack? not for a duration?

[woven depot]

its duration I’m pretty sure, ‘recently’ means 4 seconds in PoE lingo

[oblique marlin]

recently its 4 seconds

[woven depot]

yes

if you hold alt and hover over text with the dotted underline it’ll tell you more information about the specific tag

[dire cave]

if its your only source of single target then yes

and what do you mean with skill effect reduction?

[hoary bolt]

less skill duration makes ember fusillade fire faster

[tropic onyx]

so for monk should i focus life and evasion?

[north heart]

Idk what ascendency to do titan or smith of kitava

[willow lotus]

pretty much. The idea is to have it fire like a machine gun

[hoary bolt]

you mean like this? https://youtu.be/XPzlpPpJ5QM?si=rHgd7zVFiEBEdWzj&t=82

[willow lotus]

yes

exactly like that

fireball is awesome too, but it sucks for bossing

[hoary bolt]

normal ember fusillade is going to fire like 100x slower than that though

[willow lotus]

i have casting speed

[hoary bolt]

im utilizing gem stacking via cast on ignite

so I can stack up like 200 embers

[willow lotus]

currently i just want the skill effect duration reduction

[hoary bolt]

compared to like 12

[willow lotus]

i also wanted to know. does cast on ignite's spell benefit from support gems if u have the same spell on the skill bar

[woven depot]

Only benefits from supports that are slotted directly into the meta gem

[willow lotus]

oh shit i didnt see the top right of the skill gem

still my question remains, would sorceress be able to path for a insta cast fusilade ?

would this thing work in theory or do i need more skill effect reduction?

[noble willow]

Can I get combat frenzy from a different weapon catagory and still use it on my quarterstaff? I'm trying to see if I can use combat frenzy but its not under the quarterstaff

[static torrent]

The Spirit gems aren't under Weapon categories (except on the controller UI, apparently, didn't know that), but more importantly, unless the skill states that it requires a specific weapon, you can use it with anything.

[trim swan]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/km9xn044

[willow lotus]

ok, ember fusilade doesn't work on sorceress :| that sucks ... i'm short 3-4% duration reduction for it to work

i was so close ... is there an item to provide the remaining reduction or something ?

[chilly swan]

I'm trying to use lingering illusion to generate power charges, but, I'm finding that the illusion just disappears before enemies can kill it... I've got a ton of skill duration, and persistence on it. Is it just trash?

[dire cave]

does spell damage affect detonate dead fire damage or the minion health damage or both?

[tropic onyx]

does bell count as a hazard?

[dawn spire]

Idk about extra duration reduction, but you could use something like considered casting to increase your cast time

[willow lotus]

i did that, it wasnt as good as i thought it'd be

it's too slow for what it's worth

[dawn spire]

Yep, all of it is spell damage as far as I can tell

[dawn spire]

No

Hold alt and click on the hazard keyword for a description of what they are

[static plinth]

Can you proliferate shocks somehow?

Or force shocks without Wake of Destruction

How does Mana Tempest work with Infernal Flame? Does it just cause your infernal flame to fill up over time or do spells no longer cost mana and thus itll do nothing

[tropic onyx]

yeahh it says like things u place by the player or already in the envirement that does damage so i thought the bell counted cause we place it and it does damage but i think it means skills like frost lotus

[grizzled crystal]

Before I decide to go in a try is it possible to make flicker strike work on warrior given how smith can make you more tanky or is it so far out of reach I seen a gemling do a no powercharge flicker strike

[static torrent]

Check the tags on the skills, that's a much easier way of figuring it out. If the skill has a Hazard tag, is (or at least one component of it) is a Hazard. If it doesn't, it isn't.

[austere reef]

If I were to use blue flame bracers for a fireball build, would getting %increased fire or cold dmg on rings scale the dmg

[atomic halo]

cold

you deal cold so you need inc. cold

[static torrent]

As always, the tooltip explains this

[austere reef]

Copy, wasn’t home to check. Forgot when conversion took place

Thanks

[willow lotus]

what support gems should i put on fireball? it's wonderful for mobbing, but bossing is a nightmare :|

is there anything that can at least make it so that some of the balls hit the boss or bounce off a wall?

[dire cave]

you typically use fusilade for single target and fireball for clear if we are talking pure fire spells

[willow lotus]

well i'd use fusilade if it wasnt slow

[dire cave]

put less duration on it

[willow lotus]

i tried

[dire cave]

makes it fire faster after casting

[willow lotus]

it doesn't work without screwing my path

[dire cave]

support

fast forward

[willow lotus]

it's still slow tho

[dire cave]

its either that or you use a diff element for single target

[willow lotus]

then i get faced with the problem of having no dmg allocated to that

[dire cave]

you can convert fire to cold tho

and then scale cold dmg

does require a unique tho

[willow lotus]

and how much is the unique ?

[dire cave]

1 ex at the cheapest

[willow lotus]

oh

[dire cave]

valako's vice

doesnt have high requirements either

[static plinth]

Fire to Cold is Blueflame Bracers

Valako's is Fire to Lightning

[chilly swan]

Is Volcanic Eruption's cooldown per target?

I'm assuming it's not, but, figured I'd ask anyway.

[dire cave]

you're right I'm sorry for giving false information

I'd still recommend valako's tho despite it being lightning its also more defensive than blueflame

I do wonder tho if you convert to lightning with valako can you still convert to cold with brotherhood?

[dawn spire]

Have you tried using two ember fusillades at once? Building up missiles with one gem doesn't reset the timer on the other one. So you can build one and, instead of just waiting, you can be building the second one

[static plinth]

No

Cant do conversion chains in 2

[dire cave]

shit

[atomic halo]

technically you can, but only if the first step of conversion was built into the skill

as skill conversion comes first

[opal island]

How do I socket a jewel in for the Lich asencsion in PoB?

[gaunt epoch]

https://youtu.be/iOUuoUcM_Y4
test running my own build and its just somehow worked

[broken scroll]

So resonating shield with armor explosion on armor break doesn't work.. but on my other character it does?? It's really starting to annoy me lol. Any clues as to why?

Both characters using same weapon and shield. One is infernalist (doesn't work) one is Warbringer (does work)..

I'm about to resort to fully unspecing both passive trees and seeing if it still doesn't work on one and does on the other

My whole infernalist build was supposed to revolve around armor break causing explosion on resonating shield lmao.. 😢

So this really sucks

[mint summit]

Pretty sweet, what’s the rake tech?

[static plinth]

How are you breaking armour?

Im assuming on Warbringer you're using Anvil's Weight

Oh wait nvm resonating shield just does that by itself

[broken scroll]

Yeah. No idea what's wrong. I also unspec all Warbringer points just to make sure

My suspicion is a bug

Maybe had armor break explosion as a support on another weapon and took it off

Sometimes it bugs the gems and hides them

Idk only thing I can think of

So this one is disabled or some shit.. no idea

Going to try armor explosion on armor break rounds

See if it works on that

The armor is breaking, just not exploding after lol

But it is on my Warbringer. Not on infernalist

Really annoying

Armor explosion scales off main weapon when done on resonating shield, so you can use unique shield that doesn't have movement penalty while shield is raised

Which allows you to run fast while resonating shield

But does shit DMG. But with armor explosion, it scales off mainhand, which does good dmg

So... Was excited for that lol. But just isn't working on infernalist

And can have another resonating shield to consume armor break or do warcry armor consume to then allow yourself to rebreak

Pretty cool.

If it worked

My infernalist build literally needs this to work.. crit ignite build. But resonating shield allows me to get 100% crits on armor explosion with 100% crit unique macr

Was so hyped for this to work : 😭

My dream of holding 1 button and full speed running through maps to clear would've been answered

I will figure this out lol, even if I have to make a new character because this one is bricked. I already confirmed this works on my Warbringer, resonating shield with 100% crit mace triggers lightning bolt crit on explosion

The explosion just isn't happening on infernalist

[oblique marlin]

hey folks lets say on swap i have bow, just to cast rain of arrows on bosses, my rain of arrows very long near 50 seconds, which ON HIT effect better attach to that rain of arrows that will work when i swap to main weapon?
or what passive node to take, like maim, may be some effect to break armor, any good debuff that will work passive nonstop from rain of arrows due to how many projectiles it will be

[broken scroll]

First thought that comes to mind is poison stacking

But idk may be bad if the DMG itself of the rain is bad

2nd thought is bleed with always aggravating bleed at 1 sec, constant arrows, so 1 sec bleed duration is fine. Then use Herald of blood

Would be good to kite enemies into the rain of arrows to trigger aoe HoB explosions

Armor break would also be a good addition, with armor explosion, always fun

Id definitely get a working HoB or Hoi setup. HoB with bleed sounds better but more passive tree reliant. HoI is more gear reliant, Polk ring, cold DMG, etc

So best I can think for clear is bleed with aggravating bleed keystone with armor break, armor explosion, paired with herald of blood

For bossing you'd likely want to do something else idk

For bossing you could stack blood loss like crazy and keep bleed passively with arrows, then swap to spear to spam blood hunt

Lmk how that works out sounds super cool, didn't know you could get a 50 sec rain of arrows lol

Could also do a hybrid bleed with HoI instead of HoB, some don't like HoB

Can make bleed give cold magnitude via the new bleed ring

Then Polk ring to make chilled enemies shatter

To proc HoI

Downside is it costs both rings

But HoI is pretty fucking nuts so idk, could be worth it lol

Because HoI scales off weapons DMG. Unlike HoB, which scales off blood loss on mob death

Which is why it's stupid that HoB requires a martial weapon to use

Otherwise HoB would be amazing for blood mage elemental bleeding...

[supple goblet]

has either poe2filter.com or loot blade updated to allow hiding/showing based on item tier?

[static torrent]

The game itself hasn't yet updated to allow that, so I doubt they have.

[supple goblet]

got it, weasnt certain if that was released yet then

[proud blade]

anyone building stomping ground + shield charge for single target here?

[normal valley]

Autobomber concept

[willow lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U957WEadFAA i am TEMPTED

im assuming this'll work on sorc too

right?

[chilly swan]

How does herald of ash interact with culling strike?

I think in poe1 there's no overkill damage, but, the way culling is worded in poe2 has me wondering if it's different.

[chilly mist]

does this mean any passive nodes i've taken that increase regen don't work anymore?

[rustic scaffold]

mana regen nodes work

it just changes your base mana regen to scale off max life instead of max mana

[heady mantle]

guys ive been leveling up a blood mage using lightning spear im level 60 now, can i transition to the blood mage spark build now, will i do enough dps to clear maps ?
i seem to have hit a wall using the spear too, my dps is kinda low now

[rustic scaffold]

are you having issues with single target dps or clearing?

spear bm doesn't have walls for it's damage, it's like the highest damage build in the game

[heady mantle]

both really

[rustic scaffold]

are you using tangle tongue?

[heady mantle]

i think i got my passive setup wrong or something

yes

[rustic scaffold]

what's your crit rate look like?

and are you actually charging volt before yout hrow spears?

[heady mantle]

1 sec ill check

[heady mantle]

charging no

i have volt on support gem

[rustic scaffold]

you def want to charge volt before you throw ls

[heady mantle]

u mean hold it down?

[rustic scaffold]

no

read volt

also can you share a link to your build on like poe2ninja or something? i know you won't be able to get a lot of upgrades at 60 but it can still help

[heady mantle]

says main hand crit is 49. and main hand effective crit is 74

twice crit is 24.5

want to see my build in poe2 help 3 room?

[rustic scaffold]

nah, just share a link to it, easier to read over literally everything in the build.

just go to the poe2ninja and link to poe account and have it fetch your char info

takes almost no time at all

[heady mantle]

ok ill do that

[heady mantle]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/nmvoyphhoej/Unarcher2-0834/unarcherr

[rustic scaffold]

ok gunna want to probably replace the onslaught ring with more flat damage, your other rings flat damage is a little low being only 18.5 but having none on your right ring is a lot of damage lost, since you're not running crown of eyes yet you'll want to grab a helmet with crit chance especially since your crit chance is pretty low, on gloves you want flat damage and crit damage painters are like a leveling glove, your tangle tongue is insane so should be pretty easy to hit higher crit chance.

[heady mantle]

ok so crit chance helmet a flat dps rings and crit chance gloves

[rustic scaffold]

you have no singlte target skills, will need rake/bloodhunt/infernal cry for that, drop sunder (unless you are swapping to spark but that's redoing entire build), drop siphon, grab blood barbs and grasping, get disipate and magnitism for life renmants, prob want lacerate on ls.

[rustic scaffold]

flat damage and crit damage gloves, can't get crit chance on them

outside of things like acuity

you want this passive node cluster 100%

[heady mantle]

i really wanted to drop the whole build and go full spark + ark plus cast on crit build

[rustic scaffold]

if you're swapping to spark it's an entirely different build so anything i'm saying now doesn't really matter

[chilly swan]

Will herald of ash create an explosion if there's no overkill? I'm trying to test how it interacts with culling strike, but, it seems to always proc an explosion. Just not sure if that explosion is actually dealing damage.

[heady mantle]

ye im gonna go full spark dps build

i wanna be able to spark and clear maps

[rustic scaffold]

i mean ls clears maps just as fast if not faster

[chilly swan]

(I'm a witchhunter so I can't remove cull easily to test)

[heady mantle]

i like spark though i already have lightning spear dead eye

i was only playing spear so i could fast level cause i know spark is weak early on

[rustic scaffold]

then swap the build, i can't help fix a build if it hasn't been made yet. like you have to entirely remake the entire thing for spark

[heady mantle]

will i be able to do enough dps and not have mana issues at level 60?

with spark

i got 8 divines in stash taht i can use for build

[rustic scaffold]

overkill just means you hit for more damage than they had health

i'd assume cull can still proc it

'cus the hit still does damage on top of the cull does it not?

it would just be small if you're using a small hit culling strike

small damage*

[rustic scaffold]

i don't know how expensive or much really about the spark build, i play bleed spear

sorry

[heady mantle]

ima play spear build to like level 85 i guess, can u show ur passive tree?

i wanna reset my passive and get that

[rustic scaffold]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/140rxl76wevc/Ippotsuko-6657/Atypus

[heady mantle]

is tehre a way to refund all passive it once

[rustic scaffold]

i am not sure, not that i know of

[night summit]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/b1457b18-6753-4cb1-9930-a00a5f3f1e67/builds/9c982d87-4e4b-4d98-89f3-be695790765d

[chilly swan]

I'm not entirely sure. In PoE 1 it didn't work. But, I think poe 1 applied cull after the hit damage. In poe 2 it says that culling is checked prior to any damage being dealt. But, I'm not sure if ANY damage is dealt if the enemy is culled.

[rustic scaffold]

why would you want to overkill with a cullingstrike anyway, typically the hit damage isn't very good anyway on those

doesn't ash scale it's damgae based on how much overkill you did?

[chilly swan]

Witch hunter gets the culling strike ascendency node. All hits have culling strike.

Which is why it's so difficult for me to test. I've already taken the node so it's difficult to verify if herald of ash always explodes, or only if there's enough overkill.

Right now, I appear to trigger herald of ash explosion on every enemy no matter what. Just not sure if the explosions mean that I met the overkill requirement, or what. I guess I could pick up a really underpowered weapon to test...

[chilly swan]

For what it's worth, I appear to trigger HoA when I've got culling strike no matter what. And it does seem to do damage. I tested by grabbing the lowest level own item I could find and beating on an enemy for like 3 minutes until it died.

[rustic scaffold]

sounds good

[gloomy gazelle]

Which Warrior spec has the fastest clear?

[broken scroll]

Probably titan

Smith has defense

And so does warbringer to an extent

Warbringer has awesome block all hits. And no warcry cooldown is pretty cool, although very niche

Over armor break sucks

But all DMG causing armor break is very cool

And could be utilized well for clear in some scenarios

I'm not a fan of encased in jade or ancestral totem

[magic ore]

do i scale siege cascade with gem lvl or flat physical dmg?

[broken scroll]

Dmg

Gem lvl would be rough deep in, as it has 1 bolt

Would be a mana hog

[magic ore]

i play as tactitian and deepest tower

[broken scroll]

I generally look for 4 proj level with 700+ phys DPS as a few div crossbow

First main was tactican, I loved it. Glacial bolts is just the best imo

Try it out

If you haven't. Glacial bolt with scattershot

Quality for 2 extra bolts

[magic ore]

got any pob?

[broken scroll]

I messed around with siege cascade for a while. I can export my character and send it if you want

[magic ore]

thk

[broken scroll]

I have deepest tower too, didn't like it too much. Hate having to be so close

[magic ore]

do you think iron grasp and crown of eye better option

[broken scroll]

I personally dont think you need either imo, dmg is good enough for me

[broken scroll]

https://poe2db.tw/pob/9t5N5v24UZ

Pretty squishy lol, but i dont have an issue living

you can fix that with gear if needed

i just never felt like investing in gear

[magic ore]

thk

[broken scroll]

idk if that web site shows it, but i use wep sets, wep set 1 for main fire/glacial bolt. Wep set 2 for +7 proj putting down totems with + limit to totem passives

Here's a video of it's clear

does pretty decent bossing dmg too, not a boss wrecker though

[magic ore]

that so many loot box in one place

[broken scroll]

Lol yeah

Juiced many strongbox tablets

[chilly mist]

so for soulless form, it seems the best way to increase mana regen is to increase max life.. what's the best way to do this? gear i'm guessing? I'm not seeing any nodes that really effect life in passive tree

[karmic geyser]

you can still increase mana regen the normal way, its just your base regen is determined by your max life

[oblique marlin]

folks this works together?

[karmic geyser]

no, guaranteeing a critical hit is independant from crit chance

[oblique marlin]

anyone know is there any items or passives that can convert attack speed into some damage, or giving you some type of damage boost based on your attack speed?

[karmic geyser]

no, because attack speed inherently increases your damage already

[left matrix]

Frequency of damage* not damage

[dawn spire]

Well, any added flat damage to attacks inherently scales with your attack speed, so I'd say rings with flat damage technically give you a "damage boost based on your attack speed"

[normal pumice]

Planning to make a new mage type build, probably lightning damage. Which ascendancy can everyone recommend for maximizing damage/survivability?

[oblique marlin]

if maniac unidentified, that means it CAN contain 3rd affix? with certain chance

[dawn spire]

are these mods equivalent in terms of ignite DPS?
-"20% increased fire damage"
-"20% increased ignite magnitude"

[dawn spire]

"lightning spell" is pretty generic, so it's hard to say. If I were to make a lightning spell build I'd probably go call of the brotherhood to convert to cold and use frost bomb for cold exposure and run stormweaver with some combo of spark, arc, and lightning conduit. Stormweaver will let you shock with cold damage so you get shocks, chills, and freezes. Stormweaver with permanent arcane surge will also help you sustain archmage

also lets you run cast on freeze and cast on shock if that's a route you wanna go

comet with cast on shock would probably go hard

[spiral ermine]

does anyone know... does Burning Strikes work if you specced into Avatar of Flame?
because you are unable to deal physical dmg anymore.. so it should be useless right?

[dawn spire]

I'd hold alt and click on the "gain" keyword and also the "convert" keyword from avatar of fire. I'm not sure what order the conversion and gain occur in

[spiral ermine]

need to check at home. but its kinda weird because some tooltips change and others not.. but it looked like a bug to me.. because i cant see why for example perfect strike tooltip dps got higher... and earthquake didnt

[dire cave]

perfect strike already converts like 80% to fire

so my assumption is extra damage is its own calculation

[spiral ermine]

reddit says:

[dire cave]

damage gain has the same 2 step conversion

[spiral ermine]

but its weird that earthquake tooltip didnt change

[mint summit]

I believe “gain” and “convert” are actually simultaneous (unless done by a skill, in which case that happens first)

[dire cave]

so applied at the same time

[static torrent]

Conversion and Gain as Extra happen as part of the same process, with Gain as Extra simply not removing the part it converts. Burning Strikes will work, as it is affecting the base Physical damage of your skills (post conversion on the skills themselves) at the same time as Avatar of Fire converts it.

[dire cave]

I believe earthquake has very little damage

making it unnoticable

[spiral ermine]

my earthquake clears the whole screen

[dire cave]

well my bad then

[spiral ermine]

^^

but the tooltip dmg is indeed very low

[mint summit]

So for simplicity, if you had nothing else affecting Mace Strike, 12% of its damage would be added as fire while 75% of it is converted to fire, giving you 25% phys + 87% fire (but you wouldn’t deal the phys due to Avatar).

[dire cave]

u sure its earthquake that does the damage and not jagged ground?

[mint summit]

(Added in a generic sense, not Added the term of art)

[dire cave]

since earthquake jagged ground eruptions are powerfull

[spiral ermine]

yes because the initial jagged ground hit takes 75% off from the enemies.. and then once it aftershocks they die typically

[dire cave]

whats ur hammer dps?

I'm just curious at this point

[dire cave]

this on white enemies or rares?

[spiral ermine]

cant look currently. i am at work. but here my build:

rares typically die after 2 earthquakes
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/#9g9k7040

wait needed to update

now

[dire cave]

link just gives an empty template

[spiral ermine]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/9g9k7040 this one too?

[dire cave]

that one looks like a build

300 dps dual maces

[spiral ermine]

but i think it will not doo much because earthquake has not that high of a +attack modifier

so i am better off not taking it i guess

[dire cave]

the jagged ground after shock has 446% attack dmg

just the initial hit has 120%

this is a lvl 19 gem

[spiral ermine]

hmm so maybe its worth it. need to put it in pob

dps is fine like it is currently i think

with the stuff i have

[dire cave]

when it comes to earthquake you are mostly reliant on the jagged ground burst

but you can only have so much jagged ground

and correct me if I am wrong but seismic cry doesnt empower unless it hits a stunned enemy right?

[spiral ermine]

yeah i only have it in there for hammer

[dire cave]

sorry I dont like glory skills

[spiral ermine]

and i dont use perfect strike anymore since my single target is fine with just earthquake

[dire cave]

I'd rather they have a long cooldown

rather than a stun requirement

[spiral ermine]

i dont dislike it for hammer... but for the fire beam an huntress its bullshit i think

they need to add something to build glory other than stun

[dire cave]

nah GGG would say huntress does buildup stun because blood mark

which is not a good argument

[pliant sonnet]

On a focus, what would scale damage more…increased lightning damage or increased spell damage…

Example a focus with 76% spell damage and 56% lightning

Or

62% spell and 68% lightning

[dire cave]

if you have the money could get both

but if you had to choose spell damage before elemental is the usual choice

since its more universal

[woven depot]

download PoB and compare

[dire cave]

if you are only using one element tho just add them up and see which is the bigger number

[dire cave]

should not be your go to answer

not when it comes to poe 2

since I am pretty sure maxroll and pob are on equal ground this time

yes pob has numbers and calculations but maxroll doesnt require you to download anything

and both essentialy achieve the same purpose anyways

[woven depot]

maxroll doesn’t do any calculations no?

[dire cave]

it doesnt

but they both achieve the purpose of making a build

and to be frank pob is more for number crunchers or those that prefer it

[woven depot]

Maxroll doesn’t help him with his situation

[dire cave]

all he has to do is add them up and pick the bigger number if he's using lightning in his example

doesnt need maxroll or pob

[tranquil star]

Do twisters from barrage count as twisters fired 'at the same time'?

[dire cave]

I cannot answer that

[tranquil star]

I'm poking a deadeye twister build

Doubled barrage twisters seems like a lot of fun but if they can only hit once / 0.66 seconds, it's a bit unfortunate

[dire cave]

I can only assume it counts as same time

but I havent realy read or invested into barrage so cant realy say

[tranquil star]

I've already tested whirling slash + barrage + twister and it spawns so many twisters even at just 3 frenzy charges without doubled benefit

I suppose there's always wind serpent for a thematic single target

The dream is >100 twisters

[dire cave]

I just dream of orbital strikes

which is not realisticly possible unless you make a stun spear build

which is hard since spear has pathetic stun build up

and most stun buildup nodes are at warrior area

[mint summit]

Do weapons have different buildup? I thought it was just phys is more, melee is more, and otherwise based on damage

[dire cave]

weapons have different stun buildup

it'd be pretty weird if a dagger had the same buildup as a maul wouldnt it

and there are maces which also come with increased stun buildup implicit

so the only real way to consistantly stun enemies with a spear is either via heavy bleed damage or daze enemies

which requires either a 100% physical damage build or 100% bleed damage

tho you can combine the 2 to make it more manageable since bleed is based of physical damage

idk how much glory you get from a single stun

if its 1 glory per stun it doesnt make it viable in a boss fight unless you can 1 shot a boss with said skill

[gray patrol]

Is glory not dependent on enemy power too

[dire cave]

could be

only makes it more confusing tho

[gray patrol]

How so?

[tranquil star]

Glory is dependent on enemy power, I was using hammer of the gods earlier

So you only need to get 1 stun off on a boss to use it

[gray patrol]

Yeah that’s what I thought

Cool

[dire cave]

still doesnt make it any easier for spear tho

[gray patrol]

I’d say that makes it 20x easier lol, you’re gonna be running a lot of stun buildup anyways, maybe even overwhelming presence if you’re really leaning into it but I dunno if that’s good

[soft peak]

hi, any idea what to instill on amulet for lightning spear amazon using tangletongue?

[dire cave]

vulgar methods if you are not at 100% crit chance yet

[soft peak]

thanks!

[crystal lichen]

hi guys can anybody help me with my build i do no damage https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/q4kyzrrwxk09/MoyZ-9451/BloodMageEnjoyerr

[dawn spire]

They do not. Some weapons have implcits that have more stun buildup, but damage is damage.

Physical damage is better at building stun than non-physical, and some skills have more stun buildup.

But weapon type, on its own, does not affect how much stun buildup you inflict

[dawn spire]

1. What's your crit chance?
2. Why is lacerate linked to lightning spear? I thought it did like no physical damage.
3. Why are you using the spell leech node? You don't use any spells. I think you want the one to make ele damage add to bleed magnitude

[crystal lichen]

one second il check in game but the other stuff i just followed a guide i think the focus gives u spell damage

[dawn spire]

Right, but you don't actually cast spells

Read the guide more closely.

You use a unique helmet called crown of eyes

[crystal lichen]

84 crit

[dawn spire]

That makes spell damage increases apply to your attacks

[crystal lichen]

i have it on

[dawn spire]

You don't use spells so spell leech is worthless

Spell damage = good
But crown of eyes does not convert that spell leech to attack leech, so it's a dead node

[crystal lichen]

alr how can i fix it pls

[dawn spire]

Remove the spell leech node

Get the ele bleed node

Or reread your guide

Your crit chance seems fine

The ele bleed node should like quadruple your bleed damage on lightning spear, at least

[crystal lichen]

alr il try it tysm for ur time

[dawn spire]

It'll actually be like 10x the bleed damage lmao. It converts 80% Phys to lightning and you only scale the ele damage on it. It's gonna be so much more damage

[chilly swan]

The poe ninja smart feature is super cool, but, also doesn't work quite how I expect 50% of the time. Is there a similar feature in pob?

Like, I have no idea why it thought spending 5 passive points to route to the right was better than spending 2...

[karmic geyser]

its probably because it is weighting the pathing nodes the same as the smalls and notables

[granite haven]

Guys need help with something, i die pratically with one attack of magic or rare mobs and bosses. Can you help me?

[karmic geyser]

get resistance

life

[granite haven]

I have capped Fire Cold lightning

[karmic geyser]

what is your life

and what defence type are you using (armour, es, evasion)

[granite haven]

Have 1500 life 500 ES. 1k mana

Evasion 60%

[karmic geyser]

500 es is not a lot at all

go hard into ES and get ES nodes on the tree

[granite haven]

So i must boost es and not evasion? This is why i die in no time?

[karmic geyser]

you can get both

hybrid er/ev gear

get subterfuge mask notable and use a pure ES helmet

[granite haven]

Boots?

Hybrid?

[karmic geyser]

hybrid es/ev gear is gear that has energy shield and evasion

dex/int requirements

[granite haven]

Ok ty

[karmic geyser]

theres a ton of nodes on the tree that buff evasion and energy shield. in the monk area

[gloomy gazelle]

Thinking of using this item, but does it actually give 5 charm slots, or is the cap still 3?

[karmic geyser]

cap is 3 currently

the UI doesnt support any more than 3 lol

[gloomy gazelle]

Would it be worth it to shell out more for it, or get a cheaper one with a sum of 3 over 5?

[north heart]

Holy why tf does bone shatter do so much did they buff this

[static thicket]

Do you guys think a frost bolt, COC cold snap, cof ice nova (maybe) would be fun? I've been leveling it up and so far it seems to be pretty cool. Seems like the idea would be to beef up my frost walls so they have a lot of life. Use mana tempest so the frost bolts multiply cuz of mana tempest. Then they crit and explode cuz of cold snap and ice nova

Would use sire of shards staff I think too unless I get a ton of cast speed and use wildshards

[gloomy gazelle]

Sorta? New supports make it powerful

[chilly swan]

Weird. I can get to the same notables with less points though. If it were weighting them the same, I would expect it to just choose the shortest path.

[chilly swan]

I just figured their heuristic ends too early or something.

[karmic geyser]

people are probably taking that path more, without taking those lower nodes that you have

[chilly swan]

Either way; it's an extremely useful tool for drafting a build.

[chilly swan]

I'm working on a build for Whirling Assault + Volcanic Eruption, Staggering Palm, and Tempest Bell. Curious if anyone has any advice or pointers for important nodes on the southern side of the tree. https://poe2.ninja/passive-skill-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

Other notable skills: Infernal Cry, Herald of Ash, Overwhelming Presence

[stray grove]

https://poe2.ninja/pob/7139
can someone give me some advice for the passive tree, it's my first build and i don't know if i'm in a good direction

[chilly swan]

Do you feel like you're struggling with anything right now?

[stray grove]

I didn't try it in game rn, was just trying to cook something on PoB, and I'm kind of scared to try it

[chilly swan]

I've not played lightning spear yet (or any spear builds), so take my advice with a hefty grain of salt: the branch to the southwest seems odd to me. I think I would sooner head north to the Monk area.

[stray grove]

so now I have a question, what makes you think that ?

[chilly swan]

The abundance of crit.

Like, the main benefit of the Amazon is overwhelming the ability to reach near crit cap with ease, so, crit damage nodes are insanely powerful.

So like, not taking Throatseeker feels like a hate crime to me. 😛

If you're worried about clear speed, an often overlooked node is First Approach. I did a Chayula Flicker Monk that used Ambush + First Approach, stacking things to deal extra damage against full life targets. It was a surprisingly strong node to take for clearspeed. I think the benefit of Flicker is that the damage snapshotted against bosses as well, so 1 flicker would usually 1-shot a boss.

[chilly swan]

Again, I've never played Lightning Spear, but, this is likely what I would end up doing. https://poe2.ninja/pob/714c

[willow lotus]

which node should i go for next ? im currently using fire skills to do lightning damage in conjunction with mana tempest

[chilly swan]

I didn't notice you were going ES as well; I would probably pick up the Hybrid ES/Evasion nodes near the monk's Crit nodes.

[chilly swan]

Do you ignite or chill as well?

[willow lotus]

i shock

since it's 100% fire to lightning dmg with valako's vice

[kindred kayak]

I got a silly idea.
Infernalist Witch ES tank
Gloomgown + Deathrattle

The idea would be on kill i ignite enemies in a radius of myself and of my allies based off of presence

[chilly swan]

I would probably determine whether I need more damage or survivability and path accordingly. If you're not mana stacking you could take Melding for a big ES boost. Which is also near some crit nodes.

[willow lotus]

i got controlled destruction though

[chilly swan]

Then unsocket it. 😛

[willow lotus]

the main skills i use are ember fusilade and fireball, where fusilade's for mobbing and fireball is for bossing, with the help of frost wall

are these crit stats multipliers ? like if i got 50% rn and put another 50% will it be 75%?

[kindred kayak]

The damage would more than likely be from not myself as i would weild a disxipline sceptre but probably from ignited teracotta soldiers

Opinion on the silly witch build xD?

[kindred kayak]

You woulda loved my wand 0.0 +5 fire 100 spell dmg

[willow lotus]

5 levels to fire skills ?

[kindred kayak]

Yea

[willow lotus]

jesus

[kindred kayak]

I may still have it not sure

[willow lotus]

well i AM looking for a good wand

mine's just this

[kindred kayak]

Same my bone cage lich is suffering. I need better dmg

Rn it has 50% SP, 50% PD, 85% crit, +3 physical

2 shot all bosses, just suffer with dmg on deliriums

[willow lotus]

oof

at least u 2 hit bosses

probably having fork on fireball is not a good option to have, but i dont have snakepit yet

[stray grove]

yeahhh ikr, but I thought about taking jack of all trades cause I need some dexterity and intelligence

[stray grove]

oh yea? it has that much value against bosses too?

[stray grove]

thanks I'll look at it, really thank you so much I learnt a lot of things from you

[dire cave]

are decaying hex support, essence drain and contagion the only chaos DoT that work with effigy?

poison doesnt work

[willow lotus]

which effect reduces firebolts' detonation time ?

[stray grove]

i mean, I could go only evasion but isn't that bad ?

[gray patrol]

It’s workable but hard

Like for context, a life heavy blood mage can pretty easily do pure evasion if they have enough life and damage to kill things before they die themselves

[stray grove]

so pure evasion is a glass canon isn't it ?

[crude pine]

I don't want to do campaign again so here's a build idea I had if anyone else wants to take it and run with it:

• Volatile Dead can be supported by both Spell Cascade and Spell Echo, which is an effective 6x cast multiplier. Since they track enemies all of these should hit. This gives 1377-1802 fire damage per cast (after damage reduction) on a 0.8s cast time with 0 mana, which is ridiculously good for spells
• The problem is that Volatile Dead consumes corpses, which means you only get a few casts off or have high downtime with something like Sacrifice
• Fortunately, new tech allows you to reach 100% chance to not to destroy corpses when consuming on Volatile Dead:
• Enezun's Charge wand vaal: 31%
• Tree: 25%
• Corpse Conservation support: 25%
• Base 20% quality: 10% (from 20%)
• Gemling Legionnaire quality: 7% (from 14%)
• 2 Fox Talisman: 2% (from 4%)
• I have not tested this, but this should prevent either Volatile Dead or Sacrifice from consuming corpses / minions
• Because of the super high base damage, low cast time, and 0 mana cost (allowing free gem level scaling), you can reach insane damage. I did a PoB just for damage optimization and ended up with ~4.5m pinnacle DPS https://maxroll.gg/poe2/pob/qabv1048

Feel free to take and test mechanics / build a defensive layer (I didn't bother making one yet, I usually do dps -> defenses to see if the skill is good enough to be worthwhile)

[gray patrol]

In my mind, you’d need to make acrobatics work if you didn’t want to go a glass cannon route, which would take a huge amount of evasion and still a lot of life

[stray grove]

without acrobatics, what kind of attack i can't evade ?

[gray patrol]

Slams/aoes

Even with acro, you still don’t evade dot damage

[dire cave]

anyone have suggestions as to what supports I should put on dark effigy

tried google but go no results

its all warrior totem

[stray grove]

my PoB says that, with a pure evasion armor set, i have more time before death without acrobatics

[dire cave]

evasions doesnt calculate enemy slam skills I believe

among some other hit skills

[stray grove]

ohhh

it would make sense

[dire cave]

which alone makes acrobatics very desirable

[stray grove]

i have that on level 90 standard boss (with acrobatics) , is that good ? cause it fells very bad

[dire cave]

evasion 26% with acrobatics?

you want minimum 50% evasion with acrobatics which translates into roughly 16-20k evasion

idealy aim for 70%

[stray grove]

i have 51% evade chance rn

[dire cave]

how much evasion % increase?

[stray grove]

what do you mean

[dire cave]

how much % increased evasion are you getting from your passive tree?

[stray grove]

Oh 185%

[dire cave]

well that aint enought

270% should be minimum

[stray grove]

i can easly go at 285%

just changed some pathing

but getting more would be harder i think

i'm at 60% evade chance now

[dire cave]

after that try to get 500 evasion or more on helmet, boots and gloves

and 1500 evasion body

it wont be cheap

also try aim to get 2.5k or 3k health to avoid most one shots that do get through

and depending on weapon you can also try get 75% block chance

[stray grove]

so i must get some health on my armor's prefix ?

[dire cave]

well its not a must but it would help you avoid potential one shots

not on bigger hits of course

if you are going for block chance aswell glancing blows keystone helps a lot

[stray grove]

this is too far, blocking is really usefull ?

[dire cave]

yes

especially for melee

you dont need to active block if you have high block chance

[stray grove]

oh, so block chance is like using your shield without using the parry spell ?

[dire cave]

yeah

again wont block everything but will block almost everything you dont dodge

[stray grove]

how is this possible on a shield ?

[north pivot]

Anyone know if Gas Grenade Pathfinder (poison/ailment scaling) is decent?

[viral sage]

why ssf gemling mostly pick artilery balista skill and their nodes toward warrior tree? (based on poe ninja)

[dawn spire]

Get a shield with a high base block chance and then %inc block nodes on the tree.

If you have a shield with 40% block you only need 88% inc block chance to cap at 75%

[dawn spire]

Artillery ballista scales with gem levels, which gemling provides. Warrior part of the tree has lots of totem nodes as well

[stray grove]

oh okey thanks

[viral sage]

they also pick frost bost bomb and hypotermia..what the skill rotation?

[chilly swan]

I probably wouldn't go pure evasion. Was just commenting on it because there are some super valuable ES/Evasion nodes near Monk too. Ambush and nodes that give extra damage against enemies at full health are usually only valuable for mapping but, for skills that snapshot like Flicker Strike, they're valuable for bosses too. Every hit from flicker snapshots based on the life of the first hit (as far as I can tell. Someone from GGG feel free to correct me), this means that if you flicker strike a boss while they're at full hp, you get a ton of benefit from Ambush and First Approach.

[chilly swan]

I actually have been considering getting block chance + glancing nodes for the quarterstaff that grants block. You think it would be worth it?

[dawn spire]

I'd need to see their build. I'm wagering they have the blue flame gloves to convert fire to cold

[dawn spire]

Depends on how many points it would take and what you're giving up in the process.

[viral sage]

yep..they all hav it

[chilly swan]

I just pathed it out and uh... It doesn't seem too great, lol. Those increased block % nodes really need a higher base block chance to be worth it. 😛

[dawn spire]

Yeah that makes sense

Those nodes are balanced for shields that can get 40% or more base block chance

[chilly swan]

After dedicating like 20 points to block, I think I hit something like 50% block chance. That was with Glancing Blows.

[chilly swan]

Yeah, definitely. I think the block chance on quarterstaff is neat, but, it's mostly just a tiny boost to EHP, rather than something you can build around. Unless the next Monk Ascendency has something like "+25% chance to block with Quarterstaves" as a defensive option.

[hybrid ocean]

There are boots that give block chance

if you have movement from another source besides walking

[kindred kayak]

There is a chest plate tjay gives 5% movement

[ornate anvil]

Have they changed how grenades interact with reduced skill effect duration?

I've just tried with 32% reduced effect duration and its reducing nothing 🤔

could have swear it used to work

Grenade detonation time works

[north pivot]

Anyone know if Gas Grenade Pathfinder (poison only) will work ?

[kindred kayak]

Both work by themselves

Not sure if they would work in unison like working off of ea other

[bright crown]

how should i set up my rings and glove for trinity ? i have sacred flame playing deadeye ls

[hollow bronze]

could somebody help me scale my dps as bloodmage using coc https://pobb.in/s_qFZ-Y7k_fx

[willow lotus]

is cast on minion death still viable ?

for comet spamming

[pseudo gale]

Does anyone know if pinpoint critical support still reduces crit bonus with Maligaros?

I assume the order of operations is "less crit multi" after increases/decreases

[chilly mist]

how big is range of 'allies in your presence'?

[ornate anvil]

@dawn spire tried out the chronomancer grenade thing

got to maps, okay AOE, shitty boss damage

gas grenade + high velocity rounds did way better speed/aoe/boss killin wise

its very flashy tho

screen covered with AoE nodes + magnitude and reach for the clusters

slow gameplay tho, pretty bad to setup in all honesty

adhere should be standard

youre locked into using explosive shot if you want some agency and speed

i'll let them cook with the grenade skills before visiting it again, only flash/gas grenade seems good right now

gas grenade with suffuse is pretty fucking bonkers for aoe coverage

[static plinth]

It does not

Maligaro's is after everything else

Immutable 300%

[static plinth]

6m is the default presence range

[broken scroll]

So I did a PoC for Flicker. Using bad staff to see how long I could get a flicker chain and just slotted needed passives to use ability/gain charges. Now its just time to make this do good damage

requires lots of unqiues though sadly. Helmet, Chest, Gloves, necklace (optional but helps a lot)

oh and the 3 charms

the flame chest is good though at least

85% chance to gain 2-7 charges before each flicker strike

[static plinth]

Wouldnt the best thing to extend it to just go Gemling + Morior + Fox Talismans

I mean if you want literally just 1 interrupted chain, unlikely youll be able to get good damage out of it

[broken scroll]

interesting thought, maybe? havent tried that

[static plinth]

It'll cause your chain to end but you can get up to around 74% chance to not consume charges