2┃build-planning

[dawn spire]

Added damage is lumped into your base damage.

[chilly swan]

Even if it comes from a buff?

[dawn spire]

Depends on the buff I wanna say

[silent glade]

well we don't really distinguish between added and base damage % on skills in PoE2, that's more of a PoE1 thing

attack skills just have a % of your attack damage that they deal, which is 40% for volcanic eruption (the number in the screenshot)

[dawn spire]

Effectiveness of added damage is dead, long live attack damage

[silent glade]

that modifies all applicable base and added damage

[silent glade]

shouldn't do if the buff is actually granting normal added damage (which charged staff is), there's not really a mechanical distinction between different sources of added damage

[chilly swan]

Okay, one more question since you're both super helpful. Do you know how many hits whirling assault does? Or if there's a way to increase the number of hits with attack speed or skill speed? (I'm still not sure the difference between the 2 tbh)

[dawn spire]

Yeah, I was mostly unsure of what the buff was actually granting. A lot of people say "added damage" when the buff is actually like gain as extra or increased damage or something

[chilly swan]

It grants added, and then the "wave" (I don't think it's a projectile...?) deals something like 80% of base attack damage.

[static torrent]

It is a shockwave, not a projectile, yes.

[chilly swan]

I just read the "Total" tooltip on whirling assault. Still not sure how many actual hits it does, but, at least now I know it can't really be scaled with attack speed or skill speed... I think...

[silent glade]

whirling assault has 17 different damage patterns, but a specific single enemy cannot be hit by 2 in a row (that is, whenever they're hit the next damage pattern will ignore that enemy). that means hypothetically it can hit a target up to 9 times, though that is not particularly feasible against all but the largest enemies

[dawn spire]

Pretty intuitive honestly idk why you even had to ask

[chilly swan]

Lmao. Totally.

[chilly swan]

Okay O_O. So... 9 times in 1.4 seconds + whatever my weapon attack rate is, which, without any ias would be like 0.7. So... Potentially 9.0 / 2.1 = 4.28 attacks per second or so, to 1 enemy

[dreamy haven]

So if I wanted to see how Three Dragons affected my build, how would I go about that? (Just putting it on in PoB does nothing)

For context I'm trying to see if Incinerate would do more damage with Three Dragons

[chilly swan]

Silly question... How much damage does Punch do? I can't seem to add it as a skill in PoB.

[silent glade]

punch (and all basic attacks) have % attack damage that scales with character level, dealing 100% damage at character level 1 up to 312% damage at character level 90

for punch specifically, your character's base unarmed damage is 2–8 if you're a warrior, 2–6 if you're a mercenary, and 2–5 if you're any of the other currently available classes (based on how strength-aligned the class is)

[static torrent]

So Marauder would also be 2-8, and Templar would also be 2-6? (once they're added)

[mint summit]

Huh. Is that sort of info going to be somewhere accessible to players eventually?

[plush timber]

does anyone know how dual wielding works with something like Sunder? Does it combine offhand+main hand with the 30% less penalty? I'm guessing not since some skills don't give the penalty (and for those the dps would be nuts), but was thining maybe those skills alternate hands or something

[chilly swan]

600-1500 isn't actually that bad for base damage. Does it count as dual wielding if I'm completely bare-handed?

[plush timber]

Visually that is the case with armour breaker - you swing one and then the other. But the sunder tooltip similarly lists dual wield dps as main hand and offhand separately, but gives it a 30% less penalty which seems like it would make dual wielding entirely pointless for sunder vs. a two hander (giant's blood notwithstanding with all the +melee skills you can get)

[static torrent]

Every single skill that can be dual-wielded has a line that clarifies how that skill works.

[plush timber]

yeah I saw that, I hope it means they both hit at once, but you can parse that sentence in a couple ways

[silent glade]

indeed

[plush timber]

oh, and for ailments, does that mean each hits separately?

[silent glade]

yeah it means there are two separate hits that occur simultaneously

[plush timber]

I see, thank you!

the tooltip dps numbers are pretty misleading then haha

[silent glade]

yeah, smarter dps calculations are a thing we'd love to add at some point

[gray patrol]

Do damage numbers have any inherent variability?

Unless added with like “adds x to x damage”

[mint summit]

Skills have damage ranges, is that what you mean?

[gray patrol]

Yeah, basically is the only variability introduced by gear?

[north pivot]

Anyone know if Snakepit ring is mandatory in order to play Bonestorm (else it will feel terrible for clear) ?

[silent glade]

generally speaking, variability in the size of a hit comes from the difference between minimum and maximum flat damage (which almost all sources of flat damage include), and from crits. there isn't another source of built-in variability.

[gray patrol]

Ok cool

I was trying to do some testing on how Gore Spike works and wasn’t sure how to calculate the min/max damage numbers

Basically was trying to see if the crit bonus was based off of current life (including overheal) or max life

I know the text says “life”

[mint summit]

It’s based on current life, according to other people who have tested.

[proper sapphire]

does penetration take mob res below 0?

[gray patrol]

Which suggests current life, but I’ve seen a lot of conflicting info

[mint summit]

Which also means if you get smacked your crit bonus goes down

[mint summit]

No, and it’s applied after other increased damage taken I believe so it’s not good if you’re already getting enemies close to 0 res through other means

[static torrent]

No, but also this is something that is stated in the tooltip for Penetration, you could've checked in game.

[proper sapphire]

so i take it res reduction takes it below 0 then? Edit: yeah exposure can take res below 0

[gray patrol]

Yeah, that tracks. That would also suggest that overheal would bring it up more but my sample size of less than 100 data points wasn’t very conclusive on that so I would have had to be a lot more rigorous lol

[silent glade]

it is current life and overflowing your life does work

[gray patrol]

Cool I’m glad it’s that way

That’s a lot more intuitive than the alternative

[chilly swan]

Is Volcanic Eruption considered a "Skill"? If so, does Temporalis work with it? (Specifically the flat reduced cooldown)

I assume it's not a skill because it has a Support tag, rather than Skill tag. :/

[proper sapphire]

so on tide-seer mantle it says + to maximum energy shield, but i dont see any changes in pob, can anyone explain whats going on?

[sacred pelican]

what's the crit dmg bonus cap?

[chilly swan]

Sorry for all the odd questions but, if the projectiles from Volcanic Eruption come from a 2h weapon, would scaling 2h weapon damage on the tree affect the projectiles?

(There's no tooltip in game for Volcanic Eruption damage, so it feels like I'm kind of shooting in the dark while building around it.)

[woven depot]

Yea it deals attack damage so it will scale from your weapon, exemptions to this are made clear, like totems scaling from their own weapon

this is of course dependent on the two hand nodes you are thinking off, as volcanic eruption has its own tags, it’ll scale off everything that’s attack, AoE, melee, strike, projectile, trigger and fire

[chilly swan]

I'm thinking of the two handed nodes just south of Mercenary start. I'd be using a quarterstaff to trigger volcanic eruption. I'm guessing it works as expected but, without a tooltip in the game to verify, figured I'd ask. Triggers are weird sometimes.

[dawn spire]

If you read the attack tag it should tell you that it scales off your weapon unless otherwise specified

[dawn spire]

What do you mean? I don't know of any hard cap for crit damage

[mint summit]

@dawn spire more flicker strike data, what is going on here

(I feel like vs this boss the teleport gets stuck a little but still functions with the wave, maybe that accounts for the weird number of attacks)

[dawn spire]

whoops

that was a screenshot for my runescape bingo

[mint summit]

dont worry we didnt see anything

[dawn spire]

THIS is my incinerate pathfinder build @north pivot https://pobb.in/sQYBIFZlXKYA

[dawn spire]

bruh idfk

seems good tho

[bright totem]

OKAY THEIRY CRAFTERS, ASSEMBLE i wanna try to theory craft something cool... In poe2 I've always wanted to find an item that "pulls" enemies towards you and i MAY have found an answer but I want feedback.

Theoretically, if I have enough knock back I should be able to drag enemies by knocking them toward me no??So now if I take an AOE move like a war cry, gave it knockback and stun, i should be able to drag them in a circle around me or am I tripping? Lol

[kind crest]

You are correct

[rapid lily]

are there any good chronomancer builds at all?

all I see on maxroll is lightning spear everything

[fluid geode]

Btw if we are talking about 2h weapon damage on tree here, ancestral totems and artilery ballista are also boosted by those nodes fyi, although not shockwave totem, to my knowledge.

[hazy scaffold]

Anyone want to hop in a vc and help me with my freeze comet build?

[rapid lily]

are there any good chronomancer builds at all?

[flat star]

I remember seeing an offhand comment about being able to get 10% more damage reduction as a lich by using a companion, is that a thing? I don't see any modifiers that would do that

... nvm, loyalty I guess

[cedar aspen]

Question: I’m using Avatar of fire, what should I be looking for to beat scale my damage? Fire or phys, and if so then % or flat?

[atomic halo]

specifically on weapon?

does your skill get to 100% convert or is it something like hammer?

if you have 100% phys -> fire then it doesnt matter fire or phys, whatever gets you the bigger number

but only phys has % inc local so it probably gets you the bigger number

so you probably want high tier % phys top priority

followed by high tier flat phys

and then low priority is hybrid or flat fire

[cedar aspen]

More in general? Unless that’s too vague. I know that getting weapon elemental damage is huge for when you have AoF.

I have a couple of skills that convert large amounts of phys to fire. Such as PStrike and magma barrier. Other skills I’m using are more physical like bone shattering and shield charge

[atomic halo]

if it's a mix just look for big damage numbers in general whether phys or fire

[atomic halo]

as a consequence of the extant modpool and how % local works, just follow this priority list outlined here

[cedar aspen]

Thank you

[rich bolt]

What is a good amount of dps to aim for in pob for tier 15 maps and beyond?

[bright crown]

how much accuracy do I need on deadeye LS

[rotund ravine]

If I dont have the high end spear build do I need all +1/2 frenzy charge nodes?

[dusky wadi]

does ember fusilades explosion matter for its damage? or would fork be a good idea for it?

[night wedge]

Reposting my question for yesterday to see if anyone happens to know (otherwise I'll probably get around to testing it). Would Yoke of Suffering from separate sources stack? I.e. if two players wear it and shock the same target, would it have up to 20% IDT?

[undone dew]

can someone help me with some satisfying aoe pops, like the witchhunter Zealous Inquisition: 10% chance for Enemies you Kill to Explode, dealing 100% of their maximum Life as Physical Damage. I want to start a new warrior run, and i want to make a build with crazy clears. thanks

[brittle anvil]

don't think so, it's "per ailment type", and both players can't both shock the higher shock will overwrite

[night wedge]

That's what I suppose, but overwriting logic has historically been a bit ambiguous

in the sense that the target does have two shocks, but only the higher one "applies"

but for example, anything that says "when you shock" would trigger even if you tried to apply a 20% shock on a target with a 30% shock on it already

(plus it will remain in the background to take over after the 30% one wears off)

So the wording does still make me wonder if it's counting the highest (active) one, or just whether you have a shock on the target at all

[dawn spire]

Infernal cry gives you pops

[small monolith]

hey does the freeze buildup support gem affect skills that already have built in Freeze build up modifiers? im checking it with Wave of Frost and the tooltip is only showing the freeze buildup as the built in amount.

[fiery yacht]

[north pivot]

Thanks! Any recommendations on how to level it best until 2nd ascendancy?

[dawn spire]

Yes. Loads. Chronomancer can do just about anything. Check poeninja to see what the highest level chronomancers are doing

[dawn spire]

Rakestomp 🙂

[north pivot]

Also wit Incinerate, you have to use WASD movement right?

[dawn spire]

You don't have to, but I'd hate my life if I tried to use mouse movement

[dawn spire]

It should absolutely affect them

[small monolith]

yeah thats what id imagine so but the tooltip says otherwise

it must be having a stroke

[dawn spire]

Yeah the gem panel info isn't always reliable

[bright crown]

hey guys im playing deadeye LS. what should I need to look while I buy gloves + 2 ring for damage. should I go all max add light damage or do it equally ?

and what should my priorty

[dawn spire]

You could test it by checking if glaciation affects the tooltip of another skill that does not have an innate freeze buildup bonus

But even if it shows up, it wouldn't be conclusive

[small monolith]

i was testing it with draven but i kept getting weird numbers thanks to crit procs

but from what i saw it seemed to not really affect it much

[dawn spire]

No, don't go off the numbers

Just see if the tooltip changes

[small monolith]

yeah it was working fine with skills that didnt have a built in freeze increase

[dawn spire]

Oh weird

[small monolith]

probably just an oversaturiation with wavefrost's freeze build up

50% more on 450% already is a drop in the bucket

[dawn spire]

Well, no

All more multipliers are multiplicative with each other

[small monolith]

wait so in this example 50% more of the 450% built in freeze buildup totals 675% freeze buildup?

[dawn spire]

So if you have 450% more and 50% more, that's a total of about 725% more buildup

450% more = 5.5x the buildup. 5.5 x 1.5 = 8.25, which is 725% more

[small monolith]

huh okay

figured they were just additive

[dawn spire]

Unless the "more"s are from the same source (like how incinerate gains X% more damage per stage), they're multiplicative

[small monolith]

ah okay that makes some semblance of snese

[undone dew]

i looked up infernal cry, and i dont really like it that i have to press it, i found something else: Polcirkeln Ring and herald of ice, but i wonder which feels better, just playing warrior as a witchhunter, or sacraficing my ring slot for Polcirkeln Ring

[dawn spire]

There is no such thing as "playing a warrior as a witchhunter" in my eyes. All classes can use all skills and gear. Do you mean "use mace skills as a witch hunter"?

[north pivot]

Anyone got an ideal Rakestomp skill setup for leveling pls? Rake + Stomping + ? + ? with Herald of Blood?

[woven depot]

I just went rake stomp + brutality and herald of ash, but I only use it to get out of campaign

[north pivot]

yeah thats' all i want for campaign only.

[north pivot]

@dawn spire mana cost of Incinerate channeling is extremely high it seems, even with Inspiration.

approx 110+ per channel on a 3L setup. I can imagine it will be 200+ 4/5L set up

[sage arch]

Coming back to the game after EA launched, any recs on what the best all-round bleed build is? I'd like to get up to T4 bosses with it down the line.

[dawn spire]

Yeah if it gets bad I plan to take some reduced mana cost nodes and maybe some more mana regen. Also that tree defaulted to str, so if you take int like in a real tree your mana regen should be a lot higher

[dire cave]

would it be better to run blood price or deepest tower helmet on a slam build?

[dire cave]

bloodhunt has been realy popular on either infernalist or bloodmage

you rake first for bleed dmg and once that duration is over you use bloodhunt for big damage

especialy since according to some its bugged

[static torrent]

The unmodifiable damage on Blood Hunt can crit, and if you use Impale, it can effectively multiply the damage of the subsequent Rake, which then buffs the next Blood Hunt and lets you stack up more and more damage.

The former interaction is possibly a bug, the latter isn't strictly a bug, but easily gets out of control when using the prior interaction.

[dire cave]

what is the most effective way to get endurance charges?

[north pivot]

let me know as and when you change tree / swap gems around pls as I'm keen to follow. Just started leveling one now

Did you path towards the Fire nodes northside much later or did you take those first by end of campaign:?

[urban maple]

Hi, i just need to ask how much it costs the utility belt with 29 29%

[karmic geyser]

search for it on the trade website

then click this button to copy an item's mods into the search filters, then change the minimum values to what you want

[oblique marlin]

Cast on charm use bugged with curses? anyone noticed? its eating energy to 0% but skill not casting, tried Conductivity
other non-curse spells works looks like. but not curses?

[dawn spire]

I'd recommend beelining to the "Ignites deal damage 15% faster" node (taking str nodes along the way for rakestomp, of course). I wouldn't actually take the fire nodes and spec into incinerate until your 2nd ascension

[dawn spire]

After you have that, the spell area cluster off to the side is very good imo. Area increases the size of the burning ground as well as the length of the cone

Whoops, wrong reply sorry

For support gems on incinerate I've had a hard time deciding. Momentum is a must, but the rest are up in the air.

Burgeon, controlled destruction, magnified effect, mobility, and maybe even zenith (if you have mana under control) are all good.

Part of me wants to run one with magnified effect + burgeon for clearing and one with momentum + conc effect for bossing

It's very hard to pin down for me

[inland pelican]

for LS amazon, what other ways give electrocution (combat frenzy) or other sources of frenzy charges, other than kitoko's gloves (I don't want to use them in very late game anymore)
I do use sniper's mark with cast on shock already, but I want more charges

[dawn spire]

Freezing stuff with combat frenzy also works. So call of the brotherhood would help by converting lightning to cold

Could also use pin support

[north pivot]

so like this? I think that gets you to level 41, so just in time for 2nd lab.

[dawn spire]

That's what I'd do until you have incinerate

Oh, and don't take the actual fire node, ofc

But for post-2nd lab, that first Pic you posted is actually pretty solid

But I would still take the skill speed and mana regen notable in monk start

[north pivot]

god defences gonna be shit

gonna get destroyed

[dawn spire]

And I'd grab the area spell nodes north of the witch start. It's like 50% inc aoe for 5 points, it's great

[dawn spire]

Wdym? Before or after incinerate?

[north pivot]

before. on the way to 2nd lab.

[dawn spire]

Bruh

You're gonna have 1k life in act 3

You're fine

[north pivot]

oh

alright then

[dawn spire]

Str is op

Just be sure to prioritize str/life and resists on gear

[north pivot]

what spirit gem do you recommend leading up to 2nd lab?

[proud blade]

What build uses str stacking?

[dawn spire]

Ms on boots

[dawn spire]

Rakestomp for leveling

Corrupting cry warbringer

[north pivot]

do i go for windancer spirit gem first until 2nd lab?

[dawn spire]

I prefer Herald of ash or blood. I'm not sure which one I like more

[north pivot]

gotcha.

[proud blade]

https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/10c96ddd-4bbc-4bae-a4e2-43f9f0509fab/builds/ea047384-94b5-4a1a-8316-ec6466b937cb?weaponSet=set1&widgets-state=eyJmN2Q4MjEwMi03ZTc3LTRhNDQtYWQyNC0zM2I2N2U4YWU3YmYiOnsiZmlsdGVycyI6eyJhY3RpdmVWYXJpYW50SWQiOiJlZmJhZmJkYS01NTU3LTQ5YTUtOTQwZi0zM2NhZGU4OWRmMDkifSwidHlwZW5hbWUiOiJOZ2ZEb2N1bWVudENtV2lkZ2V0Q29udGVudFZhcmlhbnRzVjEifX0

Is it like this?

I'm currently looking for a build that has astramentis and stacking capabilitirs

[dawn spire]

Then I'd go on poeninja and look for people using astramentis for inspiration. But that can be kinda daunting if you're not familiar with how builds work

I'd maybe go and check the ssf dawn of the hunt league instead of trade league

You're more likely to find more accessible builds

[willow lotus]

is spark still a good spell? heard it got nerfed hard

im currently using arc instead of that. I have no idea how to build in this game and some help would be appreciated

[dawn spire]

Spark is great for the campaign, can't speak much about it beyond that

[willow lotus]

well, im currently lvl 37. any tips what i should use for sorc ?

[dawn spire]

Well, since rakestomp exists everything else can basically only be "okay" or worse for the campaign

[dawn spire]

"sorc" is not nearly enough to go on for your build. What skill(s) do you want to use? What ascendancy are you? What archetype are you going for (if any)?

[willow lotus]

i'm currently on chronomancer with the cast speed passive on it

[dawn spire]

Okay, what was your plan up to this point? What made you pick chrono?

[willow lotus]

utility

[dawn spire]

All ascendancies have utility, what, specifically?

And you also picked the only node that isn't utility in that ascendancy, imo

That's the only dps node (arguably)

[willow lotus]

didnt realize that

[dawn spire]

When you saw chronomancer and stormweaver, what node(s), specifically, made you pick chrono?

[willow lotus]

time freeze, time snap mostly

[dawn spire]

Ok, now we're getting somewhere

You wanna use cooldowns

Well, that's not a suggestion, it's more of a confirmation

You saw cooldown manipulation and went, "Yes please"

[willow lotus]

pretty much

[dawn spire]

So now you probably want to incorporate some cooldown skills, then

What skills with cooldowns caught your eye? Are you currently using any?

[willow lotus]

well, im considering the fact that spells with CD are extremely powerful

[dawn spire]

Well

Kinda

There's only like 2

[willow lotus]

which ?

[dawn spire]

Flameblast and frost bomb

[willow lotus]

hmmm

[dawn spire]

I guess more if you count mark skills, but I'm not counting them

[willow lotus]

i guess stormweaver then ? idk what it has now tho

[dawn spire]

Oh, sorry, there's one more spell

A very strong one, Convalescence

It forces your es to start recharging and it has a 30s cooldown

Time snap is also a spell with a cooldown

As is unleash

But you cannot unleash a spell that has a cooldown

[willow lotus]

i see. what does unleash actually do ?

[dawn spire]

Are you ingame now?

[willow lotus]

it says empowers a spell, but does it empower all of them ?

[dawn spire]

If you're looking at the tooltip, hold alt and click on underlined keywords and it should explain

[willow lotus]

ok

[dawn spire]

Unleash is a spell, you should be able to read its tooltip from the node in your chrono tree

[willow lotus]

i did. i guess it just pumps whatever spell is casted after that ?

ah ok, i see. it repeats the spell

[dawn spire]

Twice I think

[willow lotus]

ye

[dawn spire]

Not too sure how to get good value out of unleash yet

[willow lotus]

this is what im currently running. I'm using spark right now, though it feels extremely inconsistent

[woven depot]

Do you happen to know exactly how this works, is there a hidden cooldown skill tag on spells like frost bomb, or do you think unleash would work if I reduced frost bomb cd to 0 with reduction and say temporalis?

My gut says it wouldn’t work but too expensive to test

[dawn spire]

What supports are on spark?

[willow lotus]

pierce

and arcane tempo

[dawn spire]

I'm not sure tbh. I'd wager it wouldn't work

[dawn spire]

Get rid of pierce, it's trash. Replace it with acceleration

And are you using orb of storms?

[woven depot]

Yea most likely, if I find myself with a temporalis I’ll let you know

[dawn spire]

Glhf

[willow lotus]

errr

no

[dawn spire]

I'll take that as a no

[willow lotus]

im using arc

[dawn spire]

Get an orb of storms, I'd recommend controlled destruction and persistence

Or conduction and persistence if shocking seems difficult

Also if you get a lesser jewelers, arcane surge is a solid 3rd support for spark

[willow lotus]

yeah i got some

[dawn spire]

And do you have +level of (lightning) spells on your weapon?

That's the most important stat

[willow lotus]

though persistence is being run on the EDC too, had left it there since early levels

[dawn spire]

You're using essence drain?!?

Why?

[willow lotus]

well, it was the only consistent thing i had xD

[dawn spire]

Oy vay

[willow lotus]

what else was i supposed to do, im a noob lol

[inland pelican]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/BaBuZzO-8646/oO_BaBu_Oo?i=1&search=class%3DAmazon%26min-level%3D90%26max-level%3D95%26min-energyshield%3D2000%26min-ehp%3D10000%26max-life%3D5000%26sort%3Ddps

how is his dps so high? I'm on a rather similar build with 90% less dps

[willow lotus]

i took them off nw

[dawn spire]

If you're in this channel the expectation is that you want to plan a build. If it's your first time in the campaign I'd use #2┃new-player-in-campaign-help next time

[willow lotus]

oh shit :|

[dawn spire]

It's all good. I'll adjust my expectations

Essence drain does not scale with anything on your tree except spell damage

I'd also give #1328202289755983932 a read when you get the chance and it should make all your builds way more consistent, at least in the campaign

Can you screenshot your weapon(s)?

[dawn spire]

That's actually not a bad wand

[ornate anvil]

Do you guys know how damage conversion works?

Say i have:
100 flat phys
50% increased fire damage
50% increased physical damage

and i use cluster grenade, which converts 40% of physical to fire

does it calculate like this?

phys: (100 * 0.6) * (1 + 0.5) = 90
fire: (100 * 0.4) * 1(1 + 0.5) = 60

90 phys and 60 fire

or like this?

phys: 100 * (1 + 0.5) = 150
fire = (150 * 0.4) * (1 + 0.5) = 90

150 phys and 90 fire

[dawn spire]

That focus is pretty bad, but it's passable I spose

[willow lotus]

what should the focus have ?

same stats as the wand ?

[dawn spire]

Spell damage and +level of spells. And ideally cast speed

Yeah

[willow lotus]

got it

[dawn spire]

Life and resists are also solid

[dawn spire]

The final damage after conversion doesn't remember what it was before. So it would be the first one

[ornate anvil]

does the phys know its only 60% of the damage?

[dawn spire]

The 60 phys gets increased by 50% and the 40 fire also gets increased by 50%

[ornate anvil]

ah

[dawn spire]

Yes

[ornate anvil]

gotta take that into acount 100%

youre getting 60% of your investment back for phys nodes and 40% back for fire nodes

[dawn spire]

Yeppers

[ornate anvil]

another L for clusters

[dawn spire]

Worth noting that things like attack damage, weapon damage, and other generic damage nodes don't have that drawback

Projectile, area, minion, etc all get full value (where applicable)

[ornate anvil]

yup

very important distinction for min max

even tho projectile damage is usually 10% and phys 15% is still more worth to get projectile

by 1% but still

[lime narwhal]

Is a 35% sacred flame worth switching to from the accuracy shield for amazon?

[odd charm]

What the most lvls a widowhail can give a +2 quiver?

I’m using a 304% now so I’m just wondering if the 305 would give me another lvl?

[dawn spire]

It would be +1 level for every 50% quiver bonus you have. So widowhail + your other sources of that stat would need to reach the next 50% breakpoint

[odd charm]

Crap ok ty. 300 was all I needed then

[willow lotus]

ok, i guess im moving towards fire. Fireball is too funny to miss out on xD

[dawn spire]

Well then you might also want to give flameblast a try when you unlock it. It's got a 15s cooldown so if you like it, it'll fit into your cooldown idea

[fierce viper]

anyone have any idea why I am running out of mana?

In my cast on crit I have fireball and frost nova. Altogether 38 mana.

I have invocated efficiency with 1500 max mana, which should give my 45 mana restored per invocation

but I am still running out of mana 🤔

does invocated efficiency not work on cast on crit?

[dawn spire]

No, it's not an invocation skill. Invocations are things like barrier invocation or elemental invocation

[fierce viper]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

so meta skills arent invocations

I seeeee

[dawn spire]

Not always

[fierce viper]

thanks so much, wahahahaha

[dawn spire]

Elemental invocation is a meta skill and an invocation

[fierce viper]

I see. It hss to say'Using this invokation"inside the skil ldescription

that helps, thanks~

[tidal carbon]

Is lich good? Haven't played in a while was thinking of trying out one of the new ascendancies

[abstract nimbus]

ive gotta decide if i wanna play warbringer corrupting cry or fire breaker smith of kativa, any recommendations for new player? im looking at 2 mobalytics guides

[inland pelican]

so, what makes Sacred Flame so good for LS amazon? just the spirit?

[atomic halo]

gain as fire

and the skill is free fire res + supports

[tired hornet]

I'm trying out Cast on Crit w/ Spark but it takes ages to proc despite having about 90% crit chance on Spark... How to make that work?

[dawn spire]

All ascendancies have good and bad builds

[dawn spire]

Cast on crit energy gain is based on the power of the mob and the damage your critical hit deals compared to the enemy's ailment threshold. So the more damage you do, the more energy you gain per crit

[tired hornet]

So probably just lacking dmg on Spark, got it

[dawn spire]

Also, the maximum energy is based on the cast time of the spell you're trying to trigger.

So a faster spell will trigger more often

[tired hornet]

Yeah I'm going for Arc. Btw I believe it's about how much of the ailment threshold you deal, is there any other way to crank that up indirectly rather than pure dmg?

[dawn spire]

For the sake of CoC, I don't know of any ways

They just compare damage to ailment threshold because it's a more consistent way than using enemy max life

[tired hornet]

Alright thanks

[oblique marlin]

wtf folks, anyone knew that? other classes also have such feature? https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1kik5lk/til_the_passive_tree_nodes_change_depending_on/?share_id=lbRdfSd4aFVMpCOwjrJ-f&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[midnight obsidian]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Character_class#PassiveOverrides

[dawn spire]

Yes, I thought this was common knowledge. It's been that way since 0.1 with witch and sorc

[daring veldt]

Hey! I was wondering How good is gemling legionaire for xbow build like galvanic shards and shockburst round? Like with attribute stacker, or is there a better build for gemling?

[static torrent]

GGG have talked about it long before the EA release and it was present in 0.1, so yeah, I would've thought this was well known.

[ornate bone]

Are there any actually tanky fun builds for this league? By tanky I mean more than 5k life/shield that seems to be the norm outside lich builds - of which most seem to be slow/low damage or 10 button. Evasion is a nice to have but it doesn't prevent one taps, likewise high recovery builds like bloodmage.

If ggg wants a slower paced game, where mobs need more hits and give room to combo abilities, should we not also have the health to let mobs get a chance to attack us? Nothing I look into seems to have room to spec into something actually tanky. I can't seem to find a build that doesn't have some sort of sub 1second 100 to 0 risk, without having it require 5 seconds to start doing damage to whites.

Note: I dont mean a build should be tanky at low budget (without losing damage). I mean that I dont see any builds that even have the potential to invest into for actually tank, let alone with damage.

[mint summit]

go to poe2 ninja and sort by descending hp or es

[ornate bone]

all i see is slow chaos dot and minions

[mint summit]

there are Bloodbarrier + Defiance of Destiny builds, Veil of the Night + Rathpith + Spell Leech builds, full tank support chrono

or this shit: https://packaged-media.redd.it/k9xtoyh06lxe1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1746828000&s=e180107b7995ed2ac8d117ae26b2c3b9d204c8e8

[oblique marlin]

why i can not find on Poe2ninja builds with Cast on Charm Use?
poe2ninja can not transfer/parse skill gems from items?

[heady mantle]

hey guys what build should i go for i want to blitz through 20-60 on blood mage

[versed quiver]

Can anyone help me with my LS chara?
https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/1082y8yb4j8oa/karmavore-5329/TheDawnFM

not sure what to upgrade next, spear I guess?

[proper sapphire]

about the item tier system, say does an sacred focus for example has both an advanced and expert sacred focus? is that how it works?

[sacred pelican]

would Olroth Flask heal %100 even if I have 6k ES and Eternal Youth

[atomic halo]

advanced/expert dont exist anymore

and by item tier, you're referring to Unidentified Item Tiers?

that determines the minimum tiers the mods on the item can roll on identification

[oblique marlin]

folks so i am consuming a charge, but DPS tooltip at skills window doesnt change
crid damage must affect tooltip, isnt it?
tooltip of crit damage value changed, indeed, but not dps tooltip

[proper sapphire]

no i was just talking about advanced or expert, thought i should be looking for them, so they are removed, thanks

[tidal birch]

Did somebody play Chaos dot Lich and storm mages? Any comparision between the two builds? Im right now on Chaos dot and the extremely short life time of totem + that 1 sec the totem needs to shoot just fells awful to play.

[karmic oyster]

Say a boss has 30% lightning resistance, then I penetrate 30% which nullifies that. If I apply lightning exposure on top of it, will I inflict more damage than if not? Would it be like the lightning resistance goes negative?

[proper sapphire]

with exposure, yes

[karmic oyster]

gotcha, ty

[proper sapphire]

im playing chaos dot lich, raxx has a good build for easy gearing, for the totem shoot u gotta stack debuffs on mobs to increase number of shots which is how you do damage and there are nodes which give skill effect duration to help with totem

it is a multi skill build so cast speed mods help too

i pair despair on blasphemy along with withering presence currently, and contagion and essence drain, also frost bomb for fun

[tidal birch]

Yeah, but mapping feels kinda bad currently (at t12 maps but I spend like 5ex on gear at most). It just feels, like this will never feel really good, unless you have an absolute mega geared char. Just because of the inherent delay in every single spell.
Char is insanely tanky for the money invested thought.

[proper sapphire]

for damage, u have to take + to spells and chaos, only way for this build

comes from wands, amulet and focus

[tidal birch]

But thats the question. Should I invest or switch builds?
Also is there some blood mage build? I heared something like that, but not sure, if the information is correct or not.

[proper sapphire]

should be easy to switch since most gear skills are general except chaos damage, dont know about other builds

[tidal birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOVcdvlz6KM

thats the bleed mage build I think

[bright haven]

Hii! Can bleed crit?

[gray patrol]

Like the affliction damage itself? No

But the hit that applies it can

[midnight obsidian]

"crit" for existing bleed stacks is aggravate

[bright haven]

Hmmm, I see.

[gray patrol]

Kinda?

[bright haven]

So what is a good way to scale bleed?

Aggravate is like it treats the monster as if it was walking all of the time right?

which deals more bleed damage

[gray patrol]

Scale the applicable damage of the hit that applies the bleed, scale bleed magnitude, and have some way of aggravating

[gray patrol]

Yeah

[bright haven]

and its purely physical damage right?

[gray patrol]

Unless otherwise stated, yes

[bright haven]

Does attack speed matter more in this case or is a hard hitting hit more important?

[gray patrol]

Harder hitting is generally more important since bleeds don’t stack, but it kinda depends on the build

[bright haven]

I'm asking this assuming that I would want a very high and consistent bleed stacks to be effective?

oooh it dont stack

[gray patrol]

For instance, if you want to apply incision and bleed that way, attack speed likely matters a bit more than it normally does

[bright haven]

I saw this really cool support gem on the trailer for dawn of the hunt that spawned in some blood crystals, that is what I would like to try and run, just have no idea how

[gray patrol]

Haemocrystals is cool

[bright haven]

Makes sense!

[bright haven]

Yeeeah, I'm trying to make sense of it. First time trying to make a build myself

not even sure what character to go with

since hard hitting might be more important in this case, maybe a physical 2hander, perhaps even double 2handers?

[gray patrol]

So how you use haemocrystals kinda depends if you want it to be a main source of clear, or just a nice bonus

IMO it’s just a nice bonus usually

[bright haven]

Hmm, can it be a main source of clear?

kinda wish it could

[gray patrol]

I’m not quite sure how it interacts with herald of blood

But if it interacts well that might be a good pairing

[bright haven]

didn't even know herald of blood was a thing lmao

[gray patrol]

@rustic scaffold you run herald of blood + haemocrystals right

Does it actually work

[bright haven]

that sounds cool tho

[gray patrol]

Yeah, bleed is really sick

I’ve run bleed in both 0.1 and 0.2 lol

[bright haven]

I'm reading it and it requires a amrtial weapon, which is heavly dex right?

[gray patrol]

Martial = not spells

[bright haven]

Ohh I see, so axes are martial weapons too

[rustic scaffold]

it procs hemocrystals yes

[bright haven]

and swords

[gray patrol]

If they were in the game yeah

[bright haven]

[gray patrol]

Does it proc on the initial monster too?

Or just on subsequent kills

[rustic scaffold]

it's worse than running general herald of thunder, but i'm running hearlad of blood with hemo crystals and envenum+bursting plague on it just 'cus it looks cooler

it doesn't proc on the first kill

but on the chains

[gray patrol]

Ok that’s what I thought. Cool

[bright haven]

are you running blood mage?

[gray patrol]

We both are yeah. There’s also really good deadeye and Amazon bleed builds out there too that I’ve seen

I ran a deadeye bleed bow using spiral volley and snipe earlier that was pretty good

[bright haven]

which skill are you using to apply the bleed?

[bright haven]

Sounds cool

[gray patrol]

It was pretty sick if you got your frenzy charge generation online

[bright haven]

The idea of elemental bleed being a thing is cool af

[rustic scaffold]

on bm ls applies bleed

for maps

and rake for bosses

[gray patrol]

Yeah, it’s more of a meta setup

[bright haven]

cool! And what is BM again?

[gray patrol]

Blood mage

[bright haven]

ah right

[gray patrol]

LS is lightning spear

[bright haven]

Looks fun too

ngl

[rustic scaffold]

other than the ls part it is fun

[gray patrol]

It feels satisfying if not a little samey after a while

Everything dies so if that tickles your brain it’s cool

[bright haven]

yeah I was thinking about that too. But eventually all builds will get samey, I suppose

[gray patrol]

Well maybe

[bright haven]

Unless, Idk you are running something that will randomly trigger a different element every time maybe?

but even then

[gray patrol]

There’s some builds I’ve been seeing that look genuinely interesting to play

[bright haven]

what are they

[gray patrol]

I’ve been looking mostly into crossbow stuff recently because I’ve never tried it

[bright haven]

Oh hell yeah. Wanted to try that too, pretty unique

lightning stuff just looks a little bit unbalanced as of right now, it makes other stuff look weak in comparison

[gray patrol]

Also there’s a meta whirlwind strike + twister build for spear that looks fun

[rustic scaffold]

devs just love lightning

[gray patrol]

Lightning is hard to make not good

[crystal lichen]

hi guys can anybody help me with my build i followed a guide but my build doesnt seem to work

[bright haven]

Yep, agreed

[static torrent]

What build, what guide, in what way does it not work?

[crystal lichen]

flicker strike monk

[rustic scaffold]

can you show your gear/tree, explain what problem you're having?

can use poe2ninja to fetch your character info to share easily

[crystal lichen]

idk how to but i can sharescreen if u dont mind

[rustic scaffold]

you login and tell the website to fetch your char

[crystal lichen]

ok

[kind totem]

Hihi, does anyone here know if Saitha's Spear's works with Crimson Assault?

[rustic scaffold]

https://poe2.ninja/account
go here, login connect to your poe account, fetch characters

then it'll get almost all relevant info to see if anything with the build is wrong

[crystal lichen]

https://poe2.ninja/profile/character/1mgix9r4wr4zn/MoyZ-9451/MoyZz i think thats it ?

[kind totem]

I'm not sure if the bleeding is inflicted and aggravated, or the bleeding is already aggravated when inflicted and thus it doesn't count as Saitha's aggravating the bleed

[rustic scaffold]

and what is the issue you are having? damage? not gaining power charges?

is it only mapping issues or bossing?

[crystal lichen]

dammage and the flicker strike thing isnt working

mapping

[gray patrol]

I’m not sure because I haven’t tested it but my uneducated guess would say it should aggravate the ignite

[rustic scaffold]

you need to have power charges to get flicker to work, so either you want to use either sacrifice+profane ritual swap, or kill mobs with something else then profane ritual them to flicker

[crystal lichen]

alr il try that tsym

[rustic scaffold]

your flicker strikes cold damage also looks very low so you likely aren't procing your cast on freeze profane rituals

[gray patrol]

An easy way to test it should be to apply a very low magnitude bleed and see how much the ignite ticks for

[crystal lichen]

oh ok so i need flat cold

[rustic scaffold]

yeah, i would assume if you're using cast on freeze to get your power charges anyway

[kind totem]

I'll try to test it on Doryani

[rustic scaffold]

i'm not sure what the eye of winter is in your build for, are you using a guide from last season?

because hard casted eye of winter doesn't give you crit weakness anymore, and you aren't scaling it's damage with your build at all

[crystal lichen]

i have no idea i just copied the guy lmao

[rustic scaffold]

yeah may wanna make sure when you follow a guide it's from the current season, some changes make parts of a old build not work anymore and need to be replaced with something else

[kind totem]

Seems like it doesn't work

sadge, time to respec half my points

[gray patrol]

Damn

[dusky wadi]

question, i dont need to do cold conversion for huntress lightning spear build right?

[gray patrol]

Unless you want to freeze stuff, no

[dusky wadi]

i guess i would just need to get electrcution for combat frenzy right?

[gray patrol]

Electrocution or pin would work likely yeah

[dusky wadi]

is there a support gem that converts shock to electricution?

[gray patrol]

Generally people put electrocution on herald of lightning

Yeah

There’s one that does that and one that increases the amount of electrocution buildup

[gray patrol]

The reason for this is so that they’re not sacrificing a ton of damage on their lightning spear with utility supports

But if you can make it work somehow there’s no reason you can’t electrocute with the LS

[dusky wadi]

i just get so frustrated at every build just converting to cold lol

[gray patrol]

Lmao

Yeah you don’t need to do that

[dusky wadi]

like i get it cold is strong but CMON

[gray patrol]

What ascendancy are you playing?

[dusky wadi]

amazon

[gray patrol]

Oh yeah you def don’t need the cold

[dusky wadi]

i made a bunch of builds and just am frustrated so i wanna do something easy and fun for once

got to t15 on 4 seperate builds and im just annoyed at them falling off

[gray patrol]

The elemental infusion node gives you way more than enough room for utility supports when paired with herald of lightning

You can slap innervate, electrocution, and whatever else you want in those two

[dusky wadi]

this is intresting

i had extra exalteds so i got all 8 ascend points early

and christ the damage boost of accuracy

on amazon

[gray patrol]

Yeah it’s crazy

[dusky wadi]

also what does the "estimated main hand critical chance from hit" get calculated vs your normal CC?

[crystal lichen]

guys how do u even quality the first skills

[gray patrol]

That uses the accuracy modifier from your ascendancy as well

[dusky wadi]

so does it just get activated and added to your crit? or is its own seperate crit chance?

so do i have 37-57% cc?

[gray patrol]

It’s just a part of your overall crit chance

[dusky wadi]

oh

[gray patrol]

Yeah should be

[dusky wadi]

well now that makes my crit witch build feel weal

cause i spent so many points getting crit

just to have this much crit at lvl 26

[gray patrol]

So that will get worse over time if you don’t keep scaling accuracy btw

[dusky wadi]

oh i know

im just mad that i fucked up my witch so bad lol

my friend gave me a lycodisae or whatever

[gray patrol]

I mean, part of it is that Amazon is kinda busted good with accuracy lol

[static torrent]

You apply quality to the Staff, Wand or Sceptre that grants the skill.

[gray patrol]

What was your witch build?

[dusky wadi]

crit fire build, it just didnt scale well

the boss damage was gross but the clear and survivabilty was not great for maps

[gray patrol]

What skill were you using for clear?

Out of curiosity

[dusky wadi]

fireball and ember fusilade

its just that fire skills have such low crit

[gray patrol]

Yeah they do

[dusky wadi]

but i desperately wanted fire spells to work

[gray patrol]

That’s like one of the only cases I see Blood mage’s “spells have 15% base crit” node working

Elemental spells

[dusky wadi]

yeah i probably should swap them to blood mage over infernalist

but id need to do my asendancys again and that can promptly wait

[gray patrol]

Lmao

Felt

[dusky wadi]

cause either thats gonna take too long with a non optimal build or its gonna be another 50 ex lol

[gray patrol]

I could help you do that later if you wanted

[dusky wadi]

maybe, i might stick with huntres for now, also i added you on discord

[gray patrol]

[dusky wadi]

i cant wait for druid to come out

i love playing druids

[gray patrol]

Big same

[dusky wadi]

im literally doing dnd rn as a druid

[gray patrol]

Primal Blood mage is going to be my passion project when Druid comes out

[dusky wadi]

is druid gonna have some plant skills or is it just gonna be shapeshifting?

[static torrent]

Some Elemental Spells, mainly ones with Duration, some Shapeshifting into one of three forms: Wolf, Bear and an unknown third.

There's a gameplay showcase of it from a while back, it's likely to be very different to the version we'll eventually get to play, but it should give a rough indication of what they're going for with the Druid.

[dusky wadi]

so similar to diablo 4s? (i know its bad to compare but thats the only basis i have for druids)

like in terms of skill composition

[static torrent]

I'll be frank, I never played Druid in D4 (I barely played it at all past that one free beta they had prior to release)

So I'll say maybe.

[rustic scaffold]

i hope primal comes with some like crit based cat skills that bloodmage gets to abuse

let me be a jaguar

[gray patrol]

One of the big combos they showed was putting down a volcano and shape shifting into a bear to slam the volcano and make it spit out a ton of projectiles

As an example

[dusky wadi]

that is so hype

[gray patrol]

If they don’t put out shapeshifter skins they’re missing out big time

[rustic scaffold]

the druid combos did look cool

[dusky wadi]

did they give an eta for druid or is it just gonna be with the next league?

[gray patrol]

We don’t know

[dusky wadi]

huh, how long does a league normally last?

[gray patrol]

A couple months

[rustic scaffold]

i'm sure it will be a thing, likely won't be a priority during ea though, prob easier to try to port over skill skins that already exist in the old game

and i wouldn't want them to take dev time away to work on fully making new skins

[gray patrol]

Yeah, I totally agree

The breachlord qstaff skins look so cool, I just wish they didn’t change the bell sound effect

[rustic scaffold]

once every class and act is out though i'm all for them making shapeshift skins

[static torrent]

I'm sure they will eventually, no particular reason not to. A Bear skin was even cited as an example of what MTX wouldn't be available in PoE1, since there's no Bear skills there

[gray patrol]

Why play bell anymore if you can’t make it go “DONGGGGGG” when you slam it down

[static torrent]

Anyway, Druid showcase from 2023, keep in mind that the version we'll get will likely be quite different, but the general concepts should still be the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buc4-NTomSU

[rustic scaffold]

we're missing blazing lance from the huntress showcases

i'm kinda assuming it was reworked into glacial lance tho

[gray patrol]

That got turned into glacial lance from what viper said

[rustic scaffold]

still like a point in the idea that "not everything here will be in the class at launch"

[gray patrol]

Not like 100% that that blazing lance won’t appear in some form later but it’s unlikely

[rustic scaffold]

i liked how to proc blazing lance more than how to proc glacial

[gray patrol]

I agree

[static torrent]

10 years down the line, we'll probably get all kinds of additional skills, so I wouldn't be surprised if some concepts get revisited.

Same way that PoE1 currently has a ton of skills in basically all categories

[gray patrol]

More things that work on their own without needing charges or parries would be sick

[rustic scaffold]

like ls is still busted w/o frenzy charges

[gray patrol]

Exactly

[rustic scaffold]

glacial lance is unplayable w/o it though

[static torrent]

That's partially on LS, not on the other skills

[gray patrol]

Fangs of frost without parries lol

[static torrent]

It's a Payoff, naturally it'll need the condition that it uses to work

[rustic scaffold]

i prefer the idea of using another skill to proc the lance than just having some frenzy charge payoff system

[gray patrol]

But like the concept of LS still is good without frenzies even if the numbers are toned down

[rustic scaffold]

charges outside of flickerstrike profane rune+sacrifice prebuff don't really interest me

[gray patrol]

Spiral volley without frenzies is miserable

[rustic scaffold]

i like combo gameplay, but like charges don't feel like combos, it's just slotting in 1 spirit skill generally to auto farm charges for you

and i don't really like the idea of "-1 skill slot just to fill charges"

[static torrent]

Again, that's on Combat Frenzy. As always, the high end inevitably invalidates the low end stuff, unfortunately.

[gray patrol]

And combat frenzy is so long of a cd that it’s not even really viable on its own

[rustic scaffold]

yeah like i'm just saying current state of charges i don't like and prefered old way of procing blazing lance over frenzy charges + glacial

[gray patrol]

Oh @dusky wadi if you’re running crit you can always do cast on crit + snipers mark to generate charges

[dusky wadi]

i just got really scared cause i was fighting the valley titans boss and my spears werent hitting him lol

like at all

[gray patrol]

Ah yeah his hitbox is wonky

I remember having that issue too

[dusky wadi]

i have a crossbow in my offhand with glacial bolt

[gray patrol]

I stopped having the issue in future builds when I was leveling with rake + stomping ground for the first 2 acts

[dusky wadi]

glacial bolt is amazing to just have on the offhand

ive never used offhand weapons before

[gray patrol]

The only time I’ve used an offhand weapon was to put blink on it lol

And curses

[dusky wadi]

hows that work?

i thought blink was spirit

[gray patrol]

I didn’t have enough int on my main hand so I set the offhand tree to have a ton more int and only be allocated to weapon set 2

I’d have to use a short skill from the offhand to swap to the set, and then blink was available

Then I can continue attacking with the main hand

[static torrent]

You could also press X, and swap without using another skill

[gray patrol]

Oh that’s true

That would have been better though it did the job as it was

[dusky wadi]

where do i see my accuracy rating?

[gray patrol]

Should be on the skill details

[dusky wadi]

AH

1228 rn

okay so im taking the attack speed increase with accuracy

[gray patrol]

So that’s like nearly 5%? It’s 1% per 250 right

[dusky wadi]

yeah

but im also like only lvl 28

so thats gonna scale hard

[gray patrol]

Yeah it does

[dusky wadi]

this class is wild

plus i get bonus to accuracy on the way

im gonna assume i should just take the WHOLE spear tree?

[gray patrol]

Yeah and dex scales accuracy

Maybe not the point of the spear

[dusky wadi]

no i mean thers 8% accuracy nodes on the way

[gray patrol]

Yeah that too

[dusky wadi]

i mean i guess its 10% accuracy

but maybe not

[gray patrol]

You could also take that and skip one of the split branch nodes before the 2 notables

There’s likely a better way to spend 1 point somewhere

[dusky wadi]

i can prob skip the 3% attack speed

cause the accuracy will do that effectively

[gray patrol]

Doesn’t than also give you movement speed tho

[dusky wadi]

its just a 3% attack speed thing

[gray patrol]

Or am I thinking of the cluster

[dusky wadi]

cluster

[gray patrol]

Ah yeah ok

[dusky wadi]

skip this one

[midnight obsidian]

some people also grab a jewel for dance with death and then grab only the big nodes

[gray patrol]

Yeah that’s the one I see skipped most often

[gray patrol]

Does that reach all of those nodes?

On both ends

[dusky wadi]

dance with death doesnt connect

youd still have to go around

[gray patrol]

They’re talking about a From Nothing Jewel that lets you allocate any nodes in radius of a keystone

Kinda expensive but is good for node economy

[midnight obsidian]

you'd still path to falcon dive and javelins for crit

[gray patrol]

Yeah 7 nodes is still decent

[tropic onyx]

when do u guys start building into defenses?

[gray patrol]

Depends on the damage I’m doing tbh

[tired hornet]

Technical question : does Contagion propagate the Ignite dealing chaos damage from Blackflame ring?

[silent glade]

no, blackflame doesn't make your ignites into chaos dots. they still deal fire damage on their side. it just makes enemies take chaos damage instead when defender-side calculations are performed.

[tired hornet]

Alright thanks. Any suggestions for a good cast on ignite for incinerate? Feels like a waste of spirit so far 😦

[tropic onyx]

i see because im currently almost lvl 30 and still building full damage and idk if im making a mistake since im nearing end of act 2

[gray patrol]

The biggest areas that generally are in danger of killing me usually are the end/beginning of acts 2 and 3 in normal and cruel unless my build is cooking. Might be different for you but in HC that’s where I’d take things the slowest to see if I need more defense

But in general just paying attention to it and seeing when you start lacking is probably fine?

[main flame]

guys, thinking about going warrior. titan or SoK better?

[atomic halo]

smith

[tropic onyx]

okayy thanks one more question, some of my weapons i found have broken rolls? or is this normal? for example my lvl 16 staff has 90 percent spell damage bonus yet the highest roll when i hold alt is 67 percent why is that?

[gray patrol]

Do you have a picture?

It's likely it rolled spell damage twice

Like one pure spell damage and one spell damage + mana regen or something like that

[tropic onyx]

oh it did! and it max rolled twice i held alt and noticed what u meant, it shows two separate rolls of the same thing

[gray patrol]

[dawn spire]

Firestorm seems like a solid option. Basically any strong spell will also work wonders. Incinerate builds energy so fast. Comet might slap

If you have the mana, even just putting a fireball in there with good supports could make you into a fiery machine gun

[dusky wadi]

on LS which one do i look at for my total crit chance?

[static plinth]

Add main hand crit and estimated crit from hit chance together

[smoky zodiac]

Looking to build around the unique body armour that reverses chill effect. The last piece of the puzzle is how to acctually self-chill. Anyone figure out a good way to do that as of yet?

[dusky wadi]

so it would be 125.93% or 112.35?%

so im at capped crit then?

[static plinth]

Yeah

[dusky wadi]

o

okay then noted

[static plinth]

There's only one way and it sucks

Like, bad bad

[smoky zodiac]

I feel like this can't be true. I have additively above 100% chance to crit with that calc in mind on my crossbow amazon and using the tailwind on crit helm I know I don't crit every hit.

[smoky zodiac]

How's that?

[static plinth]

Go Stormweaver, get All Damage Can Chill, get a high source of thorns, wear the Crown of The Pale King, and then hurt yourself with self-damage such as Heartbound Loop

This will cause you to hit yourself with thorns, which thanks to Stormweaver can Chill

There is currently no other way

[smoky zodiac]

What about Scold's Bridle?

Is there a way to convert that phys self hit to cold?

[static plinth]

Our only source of Damage Taken As Cold is 5% and only 1/3rd of the time

Theoretically if you can get poisoned or bled, Venopuncture or Icefang Orbit will work, but i dont think we can self-poison/bleed yet either

[static plinth]

(5% as random element on the tree)

[dusky wadi]

should i be trying to get my twice crit to max on tangle tongue or does that not matter and its wasted at that point?

[dawn spire]

It depends on what gives you the most dps. If you have ten free passive points, for example, idk if investing them into crit would serve you better than investing into, say, attack speed.

Tangletongue definitely makes crit investment stronger, but it doesn't guarantee that it will always be the best option for dps

Similarly, if you're torn between, for example, a ring with crit chance and a ring with flat damage, the flat damage might help you more than the crit. It really comes down to path of building and math

[smoky zodiac]

Apep's Supremacy has a 25% chance to poison you with every phys/chaos hit, which should work with Scold's Bridle

Plus Apep's converts ele to chaos so in theory any damage type could poison

Crazy that you'd need at least 3 mandatory uniques to pull this off though.

[tropic onyx]

okay i need yalls opinion, im doing a pure fire build currently lvl 28 and those are the nodes i will fill out, but by the time i get enough spec points ill be around lvl 50-60 which isnt so bad if it means ill be at that level with ZERO defensive nodes though, so do u guys think i should keep filling up all the nodes at top or split downwards to the bottom 3 and 4 i circled than rotate into defensives till later?

(i know path of building exists but i suck at using it)

[dire cave]

are you not getting ES nodes?

you can get a few hundred % just of nearby ES clusters

[tropic onyx]

oh no... i went pure damage and ended up dying

[dire cave]

that is called a glass cannon in gaming

[tropic onyx]

well i didnt know when to start speccing because i wasnt doing damage and i wasnt tanky so i was stuck in a middle of 5 minute boss fights

which i got to jamanra with then i died

[dire cave]

spells primarily gain dmg with levels and spell damage on gear

so early game you should focus defences

[tropic onyx]

yeah i couldnt find any gear upgrades

[dire cave]

a low level staff or want usualy has enough spell damage on it to carry you for a while

[tropic onyx]

my staff was lvl 20 in a level 32 area and i checked both shops every level up

[dire cave]

like say a staff has 60% spell damage and like +2 levels in spells you are using you aint gunna find a better one for a while

[tropic onyx]

My ember fusiliade had 900 dps but it wasnt enough for jamanra i think i needed abt 1.2k dps

[dire cave]

and you realy dont need to either

[dire cave]

jamanra is a survival fight instead of dps check imo

[tropic onyx]

yeah mine had 65 percent spell damage with 45 percent fire damage and plus 2 all fire spells

and i still did zero damage

[dire cave]

where your skills on level?

[tropic onyx]

uhh level 8

but 10 with the plus 2

[dire cave]

fusilade also deals more dmg the more you have up

[tropic onyx]

but i am homebrewing builds and trying to get fireball unlocked im pretty sure i get after jamanra

[dire cave]

and fire spells in general are a bit weird early game

fireball isnt till mid act 3

maybe early act 3 if lucky

[midnight obsidian]

you don't get extra damage unlike shock or safety from freezing stuff

[tropic onyx]

oh i was told fireball was end of act 2 when u get ur first skill 9 gem

[dire cave]

this too

[tropic onyx]

yeah i realized that

[dire cave]

also fireball isnt a good single target for fire spells

its for clear mostly

fusilade is your only single target in the fire department

[tropic onyx]

idk maybe i should give up on this build but i really want to make it worj fireball is my favorite skill

[tropic onyx]

yeahh its what i use on bosses

[midnight obsidian]

try srs and pretend those are your fireballs

[dire cave]

srs got hard nerfed in 0.2 tho

or mid 0.1

[tropic onyx]

srs?

[dire cave]

summon raging skulls

its a aura

[tropic onyx]

idk any builds i dont look up guides

ohh

i had that in my build but then i couldnt use it because of life remnants

[midnight obsidian]

spirit gem that shoots out skulls when you do fire stuff but they nerfed most of the fun things you could do with them

[dire cave]

like if you are going into spells and elemental spells specificly you almost always have to go lightning or ice early game

fire only gets good mid to late game

[tropic onyx]

i knoww but i really wanna do a pure fire mage but i guess my creativity can only go so far

[dire cave]

atm yes

maybe with druid patch we get lucky for fire spells

since according to data mines druid should have an skill called volcano

[tropic onyx]

ohh nicee

i guess ima go back to the drawing board and find a new homebrew build to make

time to look for a new skill

[dire cave]

tried doing this myself aswell

currently in the middle of making a 1 shot super slam

hoping its gunna work out

[crude pine]

Spells in general just have low base damage numbers compared to attack builds, it's unfortunate
Level 20 fireball: 213-320 fire damage
Level 20 mace strike with a white 2H mace (Massive Greathammer): 371-502 physical damage

[dire cave]

cough METEOR cough

[tropic onyx]

i just had a plan for endgame, if i could just reach mapping i had a plan with these gloves that make ur fireball chill so i could stack elemental ailments for more damage

[dire cave]

meteor is like 630-940

[tropic onyx]

and then i would have comet cast on ignite and melt everythinf

[dire cave]

meant comet yeah

[crude pine]

Comet takes 2s to cast, mace strike is 0.9s

[dire cave]

also firestorm be kinda good but requires ignites

[crude pine]

And that's with a white item, with a well rolled item it would be miles apart

Attack builds just have more base damage

[tropic onyx]

time to go find another favorite skill

[crude pine]

It forces spell builds to spec into gem levels which also forces them to solve mana

[dire cave]

yes but spells are easier to get to maps whereas melee requires good gear

mana is never realy a problem tho

[crude pine]

The numbers are higher for attacks for white items though

Spells need a global buff

[dire cave]

for white items and no skill tree yeh melee will outdamage unless we talking mace skills early game

they are just painfully slow with lack of tank where you cant do much early

[tropic onyx]

are all spear moves broken rn or just LS?

[dire cave]

rake-bloodhunt is broken

I just want axes and swords already

[crude pine]

even with skill tree, the amount of % incr modifiers you can get is similar between the two archetypes, attacks just have higher base damage

[dire cave]

LS is more so broken for clear but rake-bloodhunt is realy good for bossing

[tropic onyx]

nvm none of the spear skills interest me enough

[crude pine]

I think spells are balanced around cast on triggers which makes hardcasting them relatively weaker

[dire cave]

spear of solaris would be fun if it didnt require glory

[dire cave]

depends on how fast you can trigger

[tropic onyx]

but i think i might try and find a less gear intensive build and try to get a farmer build going so i can make my fireball build work later

because my goal is to kill all pinnacles with only fireball

[dire cave]

self cast will be more powerfull for single cast

[tropic onyx]

ill do whatever it takes

[dire cave]

bow and spear seem to be good farming starts

[crude pine]

no what I mean is; "cast on X" does not work on attacks, only spells

[dire cave]

I dont like bow tho

[crude pine]

Since "cast on X" is strong, spells have to be globally weaker to offset the trigger strength

[dire cave]

even with smith cast on melee hit?

[crude pine]

that one is only fire spells lmao

[dire cave]

still

its a spell trigger

[crude pine]

yes

[dire cave]

crown of eyes solves the dmg issue on it

[crude pine]

Since spells are the thing being triggered, their damage has to be low, because spells can always be used in a 10 billion trigger per second build

I think that is why spells have lower base damage than attacks broadly speaking

[dire cave]

spells are easier to scale than melee

[crude pine]

Unfortunately it makes hardcasting weaker

[dire cave]

and are easier to play than melee

making them generally better than melee

melee do be better with investment tho

also can we get my delve back already?

I WANNA DIG HOLES

[pearl sluice]

Can someone explain this crown of eyes tech. Why are melee players using it and tripling there damage. For example if I was playing a quarter staff monk or spear monk how would you take advantage of it?

[dire cave]

crown of eyes just makes spell damage also apply to attacks

its the only reason people use it

its specially good if you go into top part of skill tree

lots of spell damage

and reduced cast time doesnt realy matter to them

[pearl sluice]

so basically you take the spell damage nodes and it applies to your attacks?

[dire cave]

yes

[pearl sluice]

wtf

so lets say I was playing a chaos monk quarterstaff, I could take chaos spell nodes and it would apply?

[dire cave]

idk

I think it only works with spell damage

not specific spell damage

[pearl sluice]

what do you mean?

[dire cave]

well theres spell damage and theres <element> spell damage

[pearl sluice]

oh so if I took elemental spell damage it would not work?

[dire cave]

I would assume so yeah

[dreamy haven]

Are you using a "Chaos spell"

[pearl sluice]

yes

[dire cave]

I have not tested this tho

[pearl sluice]

lots of them

[crude pine]

it's not even just melee, a Warmonger Bow with a single affix 100% inc physical damage (not a very high roll) bow shot does 349-524 base physical damage, almost double as much as fireball. Buying this bow on trade costs less than 1 exalt

[dreamy haven]

So like dark effigy, ed, contagion and so on (pretty much the occult chaos stuff)

[dire cave]

true but in that case we could say any form of range is better than melee

[crude pine]

With there being no way to scale base modifiers for spells you have to stack a huge amount of % incr modifiers

[pearl sluice]

yes

[crude pine]

this is about base damage, more base damage = fewer % incr modifiers required = less tree pressure required to get higher dps

[dire cave]

melee in general is just in a weak spot

[crude pine]

attacks generally require a single affix to get double base damage of spells

[dire cave]

only exceptions are ice strike quarterstaves, rake-bloodhunt spear and LS spears

[dreamy haven]

Well it would apply to those chaos spells, but the crown of eyes works only for "Spell damage"

[pearl sluice]

but like what is it apply to? This is what I am confused, so like would me using ice strike then be stronger from spell damage nodes?

[dire cave]

yes

[pearl sluice]

wtf

[dire cave]

since ice strike is an attack

[pearl sluice]

and its just spell damage not elemental spell damage?

[dire cave]

correct

its realy simple

spell damage is now attack damage

[pearl sluice]

so here is a blank pob, all this shit would have boosted my damage? insane

does that include spell crit?

[dire cave]

if the node only applies to spell damage yes

no

just spell damage

not spell crit

[dreamy haven]

It would make everything that applies spell damage do more.

[pearl sluice]

ok cool ty

[dire cave]

or elemental

[pearl sluice]

that is still fucking insane

[dire cave]

it is yes

[dreamy haven]

I think the biggest value you will get from the "Spellblade"

[pearl sluice]

i could have been using the spell blade nodes

yeah

i had my against the darkness was thinking of putting there but was like...I am losing crit for that spellblade node

so inted my tree to get more crit

[dreamy haven]

Same I inted my tree because I wanted to play flameblast so now I am suffering with cooldowns

[dire cave]

good thing about monk, witch, sorc and the upcoming druid is they are all close to spell damage on top

[pearl sluice]

so that just makes invoker

even more fucking strong

[dire cave]

invoker is just an angry avatar

[pearl sluice]

because it has a 16% spell damage increase

on the ascendancy

and this helm can roll SPIRIT?

wtf riot games

[dire cave]

thats triggered

it specifies it

[pearl sluice]

ok good ty

[dire cave]

so would not work with crown

crown of eyes is relatively cheap for what it can do rergardless of rolls

[pearl sluice]

what about lich the non channeling spell nodes? I usually only play melee never played a caster

[crude pine]

A commonly used combo is Crown of Eyes + Threaded Light, you can get hundreds of % incr damage from that one

[pearl sluice]

damn

[dire cave]

I dont think that'd work since it specifies

still has great defensive value tho

[crude pine]

It says "more" damage not "increased" damage

[dire cave]

that too

[crude pine]

Crown of Eyes says "increases and reductions to spell damage apply to attacks"

[dire cave]

question: do increases and reductions to chaos damage also apply to minions if they do chaos damage or would that only apply to you?

come on I didnt just shut down the dialogue here now did I?

[rustic scaffold]

only you

[pearl sluice]

haha i have no idea

[dire cave]

thats a shame

[rustic scaffold]

for something to affect minions it has to specify that it affects minions or allies

[dire cave]

hmmm

something to look into

[rustic scaffold]

otherwise minion passive trees would just be filled with people taking normal crit nodes

[dire cave]

true but you'd think that elemental damages would apply to minions to a degree or maybe I am just coping

trying to make meme builds but seems like only minion can do that for now

also do you level up spectres by just getting a new bind spectre gems and finding the monster again or can you just level the damned thing up?

[pearl sluice]

idk anything about minions, I just unga bunga, I got another question with the weapon swap, so lets say I was using a quarter staff and a wand/focus swap. I am not getting the benefits of it while using my quarter staff right?

[rustic scaffold]

you can just level it up

[rustic scaffold]

no

it's treated basically like a gear swap

[pearl sluice]

hmm so confused on how monk would take advantage of it using quarter staff

[dire cave]

as far as I know weapon swap on monk is only used to start flicker strike with power charges

but I am an avid advocate against weapon swapping

I just dont see the point in it

[sour venture]

https://pobb.in/x2PQ7tWKa--6

gang did i burn the food

(i threw this together in like 30 mins and im very new to building, so tips and direction would be appreciate!)

the only reason this would NOT work is because powersiphon is limited to one target now :<

[sour venture]

OH also i checked and taking the node that adds an ES cost to spells DOES affect PS (checked in game, i mean)

[crude pine]

• power charge uptime against bosses will be 0% as you are not culling them, so you should uncheck that box for boss dps. this gives 44k
• t4 xesht has 36m hp, that means it will take you 13.5 minutes of continuously attacking him to kill him (this is a wild underestimate, as most of this time will be spent dodging, so budget like 30 minutes)

[daring veldt]

Anyone knows if gemling crossbow stat stacker build is good or not? Or is whirlwind slash stat stacker is better?

[sour venture]

LETS GO

peak

but also genuinely thank you

ill add a note somewhere to see if i can solve charge gen when not culling

[crude pine]

Also since Zenith is not currently supported in PoB, you should add "30% more damage" to your custom modifiers

[sour venture]

oohhh didnt realize that

[crude pine]

If the mod line is red, it's not used in calculation

[sour venture]

should i add a config for PS specifically?

so it doesnt add 30 more to anything it shouldnt

[crude pine]

or actually you shouldn't add it because wand/staff skills cap at 4 support gems

not sure why GGG hasn't fixed that yet

[sour venture]

wait waht

so i wasnt going crazy when i checked wands in game

ill leave it unchecked

[dire cave]

how strong is eternal life ascendancy on lich and do you have to stack dmg taken bypasses energy shield with it?

[sour venture]

you dont HAVE to

but it does provide a very strong defensive layer

what you do is take the four pointer, then stack damage bypass

[dire cave]

doesnt that cap at 25%?

[sour venture]

now all damage that bypasses ES is applied to life, but since your life cant change its effectively free DR

[sour venture]

i dont remember how much you cna get

idk if theres a hard cap either

i would assume not

[dire cave]

atziri helmet bypasses like 10%, ascendancy is 10% and tree is 5%

[sour venture]

whos to say we wont get more in the future

i wouldnt call it a "cap"

[dire cave]

I obviously mean this patch

[sour venture]

its a SOFT cap

yes

but there likely isnt a hard cap because GGG wont make it possible for us to obtain 100%

that would mean we become invincible

(except for the one affliction in trial that removes ES on hit, i dont think that counts as damage it just flat out removes it)

[dire cave]

2 trial afflictions

1 completely removes ES

the other is %

[sour venture]

well if youre an ES build and you take "you have no ES" then ofc youre gonna die

thats why i didnt mention it

the thing im trying to point out

is that one is "mosters remove % on hit"

[dire cave]

just wondering for a minion burning inscripion build

[sour venture]

the other one is simply "you have no"

[crude pine]

27% with corruption on Atziri's

[dire cave]

damn

[dire cave]

if you are running eldritch battery what would be your main source of defenses outside of the usual resist

also does the effigy fire more projectiles with poison?

[karmic geyser]

yes

poison is a chaos DoT

[karmic geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1324862098567725066

[void osprey]

oh sorry mb

[karmic geyser]

all good

[dire cave]

?

[rose marsh]

can someone advice me 3 div budget ls amazon

[north heart]

anyone doing a warrior smith build

[hoary bolt]

what are the best ways of sustaining massive mana costs?

currently doing scolds + midnight braid but its not enough

at least to start with

[dawn spire]

Loads of people probably are, but I'm guessing that's not your real question

[formal violet]

Don't ask to ask! Post your question here so that people actually know if they can help. It's also better to discuss your question publicly so more people can chime in or learn! That's why these channels are here!

[north heart]

What y’all think of bone shattering? Do yall feel slow asf cause of leap and all that

[dawn spire]

Depends on the build. Converting costs to life, getting reduced cost on the tree, temporal rift, mana leech, mana regen, mana remnants, and mana flask are the ones that immediately come to mind

[dawn spire]

Boneshatter is pretty popular, but idk what you mean by leaping. If leaping feels slow, then you don't need to leap

[hoary bolt]

i already have all the reduced costr I can get

gemling, and both reduced mana cost passives on tree

I think recoup chrono is the best way

[mint summit]

And inspiration support, right

[hoary bolt]

i cant use inspiration

[mint summit]

Well that’s one of the single best ways to drop costs

What are you up to lol

[hoary bolt]

im triggering multiple skills so I cant use inspiration on them all

[mint summit]

can you use two as gemling, or you don’t have that node?