2┃build-planning

[azure meadow]

Will probably come online when the daggers and swords classes and skills come out

[neon zenith]

Yeah, tried dual-club, very hyper clunky. Just simply feels really bad.

[marble jasper]

except on a deadeye using molten blast

whap

[dawn spire]

Corrupting blood is all I can think of off the top of my head

[marble jasper]

not the damage itself, but increases or multipliers to it

[dawn spire]

As far as I know, there is no source of that on the tree or supports. But I'd have to scour a lot of gems

[marble jasper]

ill save you time, i can't support it so it'd have to be tree or item

and there doesnt appear to be any uniques

im scaling a massive corrupted blood

[languid ivy]

idk where to ask this but if i have +accuracy on my bow for the amazon node that gives atk, does +% acurracy on my quiver increase the amnt of accuracy on my bow which would increase the the atk i get from that node?

[brazen granite]

are there bases missing from the game? e.g. this bow: https://poe2db.tw/us/Artillery_Bow. it's not listed on trade. is it just an incdental data mine?

[azure meadow]

The node explicitly says "on the weapon" so I don't think so. Quivers aren't weapons

[atomic halo]

no

[languid ivy]

tyty

[woven otter]

Mana recoup + MoM

I know that’s not exactly what u asked lol but that’s one way

There is a quarterstaff node that gives 30% global def, which effective negates it

[steep nacelle]

Which effects increase Pin buildup?

[static plinth]

Its decent but it can be really rough. Basically requires an ES build since you cant offset the life loss easily at all

Whereas 30% reduced is a drop ni the bucket for an ES build

[radiant yarrow]

im running amazon bleed and have spearfield for clear but if some enemies stand still they don't die, I use rake on those guys but just wanted to know is there any good alt since I have 1 skill slot so idrk what to run. I was thinking spearfield with delayed reaction and fast forward and alternate it with my normal spearfield but idk if there's something better

[fierce sluice]

Any advice for my first build?

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawnssf/character/Kusumoto-2337/LuckiMage?i=13&search=skills%3DFireball

I wanted to make a fun fireball AOE build that I could eventually scale to being good enough for single target, but does fireball just suck?

I have read that ignite is not very good, so I respected out of some ignite magnitude+chance because it’s guaranteed with my current setup and I just use it to activate firestorm for crazy damage on large bosses

And ember for small bosses

I know my weapon isn’t the best, but is my POB decent? It’s my first try so it probably sucks, just looking for honest feedback

[carmine flicker]

I'd say sacrificing ring slot on 30% damage added as chaos is.. hard decision already
doing it on life build is just sad

[steep nacelle]

Fireball is a good skill.

[fierce sluice]

Okay it feels very fun with my current setup, I think my weapon is just bad. How is my passive tree?

[carmine flicker]

was fireball singnifically buffed?

[woven zinc]

Is there a "this is working really well" Atlas setup floating around?

[carmine flicker]

hmm, it was only nerfed
and it wasn't really good before
and now it suddenly is?

[steep nacelle]

I'd go scattershot and Unleash, with Wildshards. And crit will give you more than flat %fire increase.

[fierce sluice]

Okay so just go for pure quantity of fireballs, and respec into crit over fire%

[steep nacelle]

The fire damage nodes up top is a bit of a trap.

[fierce sluice]

What about ignite? Does it suck?

[steep nacelle]

Ignite is good for triggering other spells.

[fierce sluice]

Yes I use COI with solar orb, it works very well

Firestorm specifically

[carmine flicker]

thing is
it will be never good as single target
well
except if you go frostwall and AOE or smth for fireball to shotgun

[fierce sluice]

Which consumes ignite anyways

So I probably don’t need ignite magnitude or even chance right?

Should I just fully spec into crit chance/damage then?

[steep nacelle]

Yeah, use ignite to trigger frostwalls, and something that will kill single target bosses. You can also add cast on crit later. With your 50 fireballs, you crit a lot.

[buoyant flower]

as a former mana stacking enjoyer AKA. U archmage meta supporter, nowadays are just terrible or suffering
ggg removed lots of % max mana, ok it's fine
ggg removed everlasting gaze, ye it's still exist but with 6% maxroll on it is non-sence
they nerfed the archmage to ground, with the big double cost from EB, ok, no one is archmage now

Somebody like me may not want give up, and i do find the new unique "indigon" may viable i late game...
but, thing is..indigon needs mana regen more than max mana, MOM cut the regen to half(terrible), without MOM the defence layer of sorceress is mehmeh...i'd wondering if defence even is exist on sorceress..
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ i'm so upset with the new patch

[mortal current]

Hey everyone. I've just made my flame warrior build public: https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/3u6kn00z
Would appreciate any tips/insights on what can be improved

[carmine flicker]

man, just go mom-without-mom

get cloak of defiance(30% damage taken goes to mana), get damage to mana nodes, stack the rest with jewels

now you have 100% mom without 50% less regen

[steep nacelle]

Recoup keeps me alive at least. With the 34% damage taken from mana before life, you are more tanky than if you'd taken MoM

[carmine flicker]

(idk if that can work with reduced jewels in tree tho)

[buoyant flower]

BTW what's i mean viable with indigon,

use indigon,stacking lots of mana, lots of regen ,cast mana tempest to drain up all the mana AS FAST AS POSSIBLE
with 2200 regen/s in 4 sec u got 2200% inc spell damage

AND, cast the living bomb,ye, the one, COST 0 MANA but deals almost the same dps as COMET

[carmine flicker]

idk, indigon doesn't sound all that sexy
it's lots of work for.. idk
smth

[buoyant flower]

it

it's good, 2200% inc spell dmg is outstanding

[woven otter]

Anyone know exactly how silks of veneration work??? ES gives elemental reduction or whatever

[buoyant flower]

the biggist weakness is defence

[static plinth]

Basically, your ES is treated as Armour against Elemental Damage

Its bad

[carmine flicker]

it's way less than old demon form shenanigans

[woven otter]

What if I had 0 elemental resist tho

[buoyant flower]

even with, imean 34% on tree and 30% on COF, 64% total mom

[static plinth]

Then itd be even worse lol

[buoyant flower]

the ehp pool is still small than before

[carmine flicker]

it's like.. 5-15% reduction against any hit that matters

[static plinth]

Now instead of taking 10% less damage from armour which is then cut in 4ths from res, you just take 10% less damage from armour

[carmine flicker]

it's.. smth? I guess

[static plinth]

And die to a stiff breeze

[static plinth]

Yeah but opportunity cost

[woven otter]

If I wear the helm to get 50% more life and 0 resist, what’s my best option for resists

[steep nacelle]

You were immortal before. Now you are almost immortal. Quite fine with me. Haven't been close to dying yet.

[carmine flicker]

it have 50 spirit? I guess
and some ES

[woven otter]

Can I mitigate some elemental dmg taken to chaos or something

[carmine flicker]

int, spirit, mana regen, all res, even around 300 ES with runes and quality
it's.. not terrible?

[static plinth]

Apep's Supremacy focus

[woven otter]

Siiiick too bad it’s a focus

[tribal ridge]

what’s the good leveling guide for ls? I’m stuck in act 4

[buoyant flower]

mom w/o mom is based on hp, like 64% mom, 2000 life is about 3500 life..

[static plinth]

Veil of The Night will be good when they eventually buff armour

/copium

[carmine flicker]

64% mom with 2k life is like 6k effective life

(can't say it's good tbh)

[buoyant flower]

ye...and with indigon, there's no recoup mana

u can just regen, no recoup,no gain, no leech

just regen

feels like a bait

idk what's the vision of ggg with spell-caster

[carmine flicker]

I'd rather have 80% MoM and 100% recoup, tbh, myself

[buoyant flower]

in poe1 it's terrible with self-casting, now poe2, hmmm

even worse

[carmine flicker]

in POE1 there were tons of ways to cheese it

[distant dome]

Does Melting Maelstrom scale with Spell damage or sources of Extra Daamge?

[slim folio]

In using rapid shot as a main skill and trying to build some sustain into it but having trouble. I've tried both flat life gained per enemy hit (which I thought would work well with the fire rate but was too low it seems) and I'm trying leech but the physical portion of my damage is just so low. Do I need to invest in leech nodes for it to be good or is rapid fire just inherently bad for sustain? Any advice?

[north heart]

Anyone have the ultimate health flask?

[pallid wigeon]

How does momentum gem work with heralds?

[radiant yarrow]

what's good for clearing with an amazon crit bleed build

[neon zenith]

For HC SSF, what would you guys say is the most fun build. Obviously obliterating the game is a lot harder these days so just looking for something fun, tanky. Maybe a regen/thorns build? (Is that viable?) Or something that immobilizes everything and has sustain? idk, just looking for some ideas

[dawn spire]

It doesn't. Momentum only supports damaging skills you use yourself. The Herald damage is an attack that is used by that skill, not you

[steep nacelle]

Which skill is best for triggering Heat of the Forge? Leap Slam?

[dawn spire]

I doubt it would be leap slam, but I'm not sure. All your melee hits will build energy for it.
The energy buildup is dependent on your damage and your hit rate, so really it seems like "overall dps" is the best way to build energy for it

[steep nacelle]

I think I could make it work with Nebuloch, casting Comet with 100% crit from endurance charges.

[dawn spire]

How are you casting comet? Cast on crit?

[steep nacelle]

Just need something with large enough aoe to trigger every hit

yes

[dawn spire]

Where does heat of the forge fit in here?

And how are you generating endurance charges?

[steep nacelle]

Since I will try to spam meteor, I might as well use more spells. Won't have the strength for melee dps, so Heat of the Forge needs to cast a decent clear spell. Fireball probably.

[hot bolt]

Is there a thread in this Discord to discuss Lightning Spear builds? Fungun’s Deadeye build has like no information and I really don’t want to brick my build making the switch

[dawn spire]

If you won't have much melee dps, you're not going to be casting much of anything. Neither on crit nor with heat of the forge

[steep nacelle]

It's not based on damge, just the hit, right?

So you need to hit fast and often. Or a lot at the same time to build meta energy.

And same with crit. It's based on if you crit, not the amount you crit for. And crit rate will be 100%.

[agile salmon]

I have a question regarding this passive and boneshatter: If an enemy with full HP is hit by one of boneshatter shockwaves, which would get its hp below the culling threshold, would that then cull the enemy instantly? in other words, no normal enemies will survive with <30%hp after being hit with boneshatter shockwaves?

[spice kite]

I found a chernobogs on my physical damage twister zon, is this usable w/ an elemental zon spec or should I sell it / roll a smith of kitava or something?

[still rock]

Does anyone happen to know if rage snapshots on things already in duration before you get the rage effect or does it only affect on application?

[spice kite]

probably depends on the projectile? i saw somewhere that twisters snapshot from cast with stats

[still rock]

yeah twister specifically

[dawn spire]

It is based on damage. Energy generation for CoC and the Smith node is based on the damage the hits deal compared to the enemy's ailment threshold

https://poe2db.tw/us/Cast_on_Critical

It's not just based on hitting an enemy like in poe1

[lusty dawn]

any storm lance user over here? do you take elemental infusion if you go for storm lance for bosses?

[still rock]

im using storm lance for my lightning exposure but am not amazon

its good for that, idk about its efficacy for main skill dmg

[neat bison]

Storm lance is pretty strong single target

[still rock]

yeah its nice extra dps for me

and exposure

[lusty dawn]

i run combat fenzy and kitoko's currency but seems like elemental infusion consumes all the fenzy charges that i want to save for storm lance

so like

[neat bison]

Ah I misread

[lusty dawn]

i cant trigger the fenzy charged version of storm lance

[neat bison]

Do you mean the ascendency node?

[still rock]

can run perpetual charge on elemental infusion and cross your fingers for 35% lol

[lusty dawn]

yeah

[neat bison]

Either I misunderstand how it works or I just make too many charges to notice, I thought it doesn’t actually consume charges but generates an infusion when you spend one

So you should be popping boosted storm lance fine

[lusty dawn]

isnt it consuming a charge to get the elemental infuse?

[neat bison]

I don’t think so

It’s just created from you consuming a charge

[spice kite]

the skill it grants does, but the node also gives a passive that grants infusions when you gain charges I believe

so its like two things, one active skill and then the passive generator

[lusty dawn]

ah nvm

it generates infuses when i consume charges

mb lol

[neat bison]

Yeah np

[still rock]

Are there any other mostly accessible ways of getting reduced curse effectiveness other than being eva/es

getting sick of temp chains

[neat bison]

Same lmao

[spice kite]

consecrated ground reduces curse effects I think

[still rock]

doesnt really help moving around tho

[spice kite]

yeah you'd need to use holy descent support on like a movement or ground effect ability

[neat bison]

Where are the consecrated ground boots GGG? Hand them over

[still rock]

es wins again

im one anoint away from having 9s twister lol this skill is silly

[neat iron]

correct me if I’m wrong but the coming calamity body armor seems cool but the 245 base armour and 223 base evasion seem bad?

[still rock]

yeah thats the downside of using a unique body

trash defenses

[neat iron]

sad face

guess I’ll save up for a beacon of azis like everyone else lmao

[still rock]

im a huge rare base enjoyer

[neat iron]

I’m running a lightning spear huntress for league starter, but ultimately wanna try a tri-element build

I wanna make elemental sundering work, trying to decide between invoker, pathfinder, or huntress

[still rock]

theres some dude on ninja thats doing chayula chaos ele sundering with spire of ire

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/fuger021-4350/不夠糞的昇華我可是不玩的唷?i=17&search=skills%3DElemental%2BSundering

probbaly shit tier but really cool

[jagged pawn]

does anyone know if Raging Spirits gem gains anything from cutting a higher level?

[still rock]

the minion level

so a lot

[jagged pawn]

ok ty

[edgy dust]

If i have a pillar of the gods and the item lvl is 71 online it said i can have up to 3 sockets but after i added the first one it says its maxed out at 2???

[still rock]

max is 2 for uncorrupted (chance at getting +1 socket if you vaal)

also chance at bricking it

[edgy dust]

so i can still corrupt it

[still rock]

if its uncorrupted yes

[edgy dust]

would the stats go lower then the average stats? Im scared to mess it up lol i only got 2 slots and its got 16% ranged

[still rock]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Corrupted#Corruption_outcomes

[edgy dust]

kinda new and not used to corupting items lol i know its a gamble. If its like a 10% to get good and 70% to F it up i might not do it lol not sure if it will be worth it

hmmm so i did it lol all it gave me was an extra 16-24 cold damage lol

[manic venture]

Can you not socket a channeling spell into a meta gem?

[spark ingot]

why? why did you even think it would work

[manic venture]

I figured it would just do the minimum cast

[near jewel]

guys, is there a lazy smith of kitava build? not many skills on bar, no fancy combos, sth straightforward, like my 1-skill-on-bar totem titan?
bleed vible?

[still rock]

8.5s twister time

[magic pier]

aight chat help me understand something
when it says "critical damage bonus will apply twice to that hit" does it mean:
(regular damage)x(1+crit damage + crit damage)
or
(regular damage)x(1+crit damage)x(1+crit damage)

[viscid radish]

The language makes it seems like the latter

[near jewel]

guys, can you give me an idea for a lazy /like totems/ build with comparable damage and survi, low apm, on a 40-50 div budget?

[spark ingot]

define Lazy

[near jewel]

artillery ballista smith of kitava xd

[near jewel]

low AMP, no fancy combos for the attack to actually deal dmg, little skills on bar - like totems - 4 x ritual, 3 x breach, 2 x arbiter with 2 skills on bar

I am an old noob with skill issues.

[spark ingot]

Warbringer Thorns, you just need to use 2 skills: Rapid assault for Clearing, and Rise Shield to cancel animation of Rapid assault. + Eventually you can have some Mobility skills for faster movement. No combo.

Just, pure Thorns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BngAYBZC32M

some bosses even oneshot themselves for you for fun. https://youtube.com/shorts/vMqwcunFO6g?si=W0UWYlz8ABrZm5Io

[eternal marlin]

hi, why is lightning spear use rhoa mount?

[still rock]

fast

[void osprey]

Hello, need a bit of advice in choosing between my current Rare spear vs a Tangletongue i got
the first pic is my normal spear with tooltip DPS of 24,351
the second pic is Tangletongue with tooltip DPS of 14,467

[near jewel]

will be as strong as my totems?

[eternal marlin]

how do you activate malice? or is it on as long i equip the sceptre?

[tribal hound]

why tf is like 90% of all build lightning spear

zero variety in this season its already boring af

[still rock]

just because theres a good build doesnt mean you cant play something else thats viable

[static torrent]

It's on as long as it's equipped.

[ripe jay]

people do that with anything that is op in any season. Blame brain deadery

[lusty dawn]

people are enjoying lightning spear atm, they will switch to something else eventually

[ripe jay]

Its not boring for me cuz i play my own builds and what i want

[eternal marlin]

oki tyty

[lusty dawn]

idk if saying enjoy something you like is boring

also it reminds people of good old lightning javazon

[ripe jay]

I agree if people are playing it enjoy it then its not boring and if you find it boring but play it because its op and everyone else is doing it then blame your own brain deadery

[hot bolt]

And does level not really matter? I got a 160 spirit sceptre with only level 12 Malice but it seems to basically do the exact same thing?

[static torrent]

Level on Malice scales how frequently Critical Weakness is applied.

[eternal marlin]

hi, can i get banned somehow for this thing?

[hot bolt]

But crit weakness doesn’t stack, right?

[static torrent]

It does

[hot bolt]

Oooooooooo

Shoot

Well this scepter will have to do for now, I’m dead broke. Lol. Thanks!

I guess 12 and 18 is pretty minimal

[static torrent]

For receiving such a whisper, no. However, I would definitely recommend ignoring anyone trying to claim that they're able to sell you anything like that, you'll almost certainly get scammed if you try to engage (also, why is this in build-planning? xd)

[eternal marlin]

OH YE mb i didnt see the name of the channel, i was afraid cause im getting spammed by random since yesterday

[stable robin]

any crazy flicker strike builds? dm me plz

[near jewel]

guys, this thorns build will be as strong as ancestral warrior sunder totem?

[eternal marlin]

is rhoa mount add movement speed at all? or just make me run at full speed when attacking

[tight nebula]

Imma roll a poisonous concoction ranger weee

[pearl sluice]

what build is good with huntress?

[halcyon solar]

Where can you see your Frenzy Charges?

[uncut grove]

does rondel increase your damage or make you take increased damage ?

i know it lowers your resists

[royal ore]

Friends, i just picked up this item and my understand of it is that i don't need to add points into resistance for my minions anymore because my resistance = their resistance.... right?

carrion call engraved focus

[proven rapids]

have you even tried to play something else ? I tried dozen of skills on pob, dozen of unique combination, support gem combination. Nothing do damage, literally everything that is not spear / attack build do no damage, i'm so upset because I really wanted to play spells, but spells are literally unplayable

in poe1 you can make literally anything work, any skill can achieve some million dps which is enough for all content. That's not the case in poe2, far far from that

[still rock]

give me an example of something that doesnt work

outside of the obvious crazy shit

?

[opaque bluff]

Incinerate for sure works with a load of +spell levels, but spells are terrible unless you are at +10 or so (wand, offhand, ammy)

[urban maple]

Does anyone know how long this new league will last?

[still rock]

im just sick of this oH pOe1 So GoOd SkiLlS ViAbIlItY shit when like 3% of the skills in poe1 are used

its the same thing here - the majority of the player base will gravitate towards things that clear faster and had someone else figure out for them, that doesnt mean anything else isnt viable

[proven rapids]

any hit based spell doesn't work

zdps

[proud chasm]

hi i need lich spectre utzall . its ok from normal or cruel? vaal guard

[still rock]

disingenuous argument

[proven rapids]

just try yourself, play a hit based spell build that doesn't relly on cast on something to work. I'm so sick of people like you defending poe2 for the sake of defending it without admitting that build creativity is terrible. and wtf are you on about poe1 ? There's a good variety of skill played every league, just compare main skill for poe1 league and main skill from poe2 to see the difference

like whoa

[still rock]

lmao

[eternal marlin]

hi, any alternative beside rhoa on lightning spear build? it often make me dies instead

[unreal girder]

Is there any skill with extra chill effect scaling?

Wanna use heatshiver but my ballistas only get around 20% so Id like a support skill for it

[tribal hound]

whats a good evasion % to actually call it survivable? im currently at 80% and it doesnt feel like it dodges anything

[opaque bluff]

is low tolerance multiplicative with magnitude, or just magnitude witha different wording?

[frosty finch]

So if i play rapid shot and i have a ring that adds lets say 20 fire damage, is every bolt i shoot going to deal + 20 fire damage or does it scale down ?

[ruby wigeon]

Does cast speed affects lightning spear?

[unreal sierra]

scaled according to attack damage

[normal pumice]

No

[dawn spire]

It's not exactly 20, but it adds a base of 20 to each shot. That's multiplied by all your modifiers that affect it and the damage effectiveness of the skill

[dawn spire]

Cast speed only affects spells. A gem will say what type it is at the top when you hover over it (just under the name)

[mellow quest]

For the penetrate amazon node does it count if you use accuracy runes? vague as to what "on the weapon" means

[pallid wigeon]

huh what happened with The Gnashing Sash? Why did it go from a few exalts to over 30 divines?

[cedar tulip]

on mobile so can't see the images but it you are comparing Poe ninja, you need to self upload your build for Poe2 ninja. Which only a very small amount of people do. And the people that do I can only imagine probably gravitate towards meta skills.

So the only way to state that something does not work is to play it ^^ What hit based spells have you tried?

[dawn spire]

Not to mention that a lot of people are playing huntress because it's new.

[edgy dust]

Is there another way to buy stuff other then ggg website? I just need 1 divine orb

need 1 last piece for my build

[proven rapids]

I don't need to try a hit based spell in game to know it will suck in advance bruh, just enough game knowledge and imagination are enough alongside POB just to figure out it will sucks

[unreal girder]

Need to pair it with some decent ES

[spark ingot]

it's ESTIMATE, you really don't have 80% 🌭 + not All hit's can be evaded without Acrobatics. you can try use some Blind to boost your Evasion. + Evasion is Entropy Based, you WILL GET HIT, just later.

[cyan bobcat]

does someone have a good gas arrow build ? I'm stuck to 7k dps

[frosty finch]

To be honest i was thinking of going ritualist with 3 breach rings that have elemental damages on it with a lot of attack speed on a crossbow

[cosmic tulip]

Guys, what do you think about the fact that we manage to get 50% of the players playing a lightning spear build?

i don't think it was ever this bad...

[frosty finch]

To be fair its the only new weapon type

[halcyon solar]

can you still swap runes on corrupted items?

[zinc mango]

yes

[sacred pelican]

bro wtffff just let me put the item in the slot so I can have the int requirement complete wtffffffffff why do I have to respect 25 attribute nodes and then respec them back wtffff

[hoary bolt]

Yo what are some buffs that would benefit from being extended by 2.5x duration?

i got chayula flames, rapid shot heat, and thats all I can think of right now

[halcyon solar]

you can't apply quality to unique items, right?

[frosty finch]

You can

[dawn spire]

It's not 50% of players. It's 50% of the poe ninja builds

If that

[cosmic tulip]

yes but from what I can remember in poe1 it never went Above 30

[dawn spire]

Poe1 hadn't released a brand new class since scion and I'm guessing it had similar numbers

[void osprey]

Hello, been mapping with T15s for a while, lvl 89 currently.
How many Exalts / Divines do yall get on average per map? I always Augment, Transmutate and Regal my waystones and usually get around 0-3 exalts per map with 45 rarity.
I want to upgrade my gear but i wanna know how much value ill get for more rarity on my gear

[crystal knot]

I unspeccd my map for speed and I get the same 1-4 exalts worth of currency per map running unjuoced tier 6 maps as I did running high stress juiced t15s.

[void osprey]

ok thats insane

do u have a ton of rarity?

[crystal knot]

I just bought 4 audience and had a friend carry so i got some points in ritual since it's not drop rate dependent. I have over 100 rarity so not crazy

Having 100 rarity makes it feel slightly more consistent maybe. I've been mapping since last Sunday and have pathed to over 40 towers. I've dropped 1 divine solo.

[void osprey]

sorry, but what points do you mean?

[crystal knot]

So if you beat the ritual boss, you get points to make that mechanic more profitable, but unlike the breaches or other mechanics it's not based on drop rate from killed enemies as much as it's a random chance for a couple valuable items to be able to be "purchased" with tribute

[void osprey]

oh damn i didnt know u could enhance those mechanics

[crystal knot]

Yeah it's hard to get the thing to fight the boss

I just bought them. Because the difficulty curve to access the content is in reverse. It's incorrect lol

[void osprey]

damn ok, i kinda get it

[tribal dew]

How does increase elemental damage on a cross bow work? Is it part of the elemental damage number at the top?

[crystal knot]

So it's way harder for you to get the chance to do it the first time than following times because you can boost odds of good things

[void osprey]

cuz right now im at a crossroads. do i buy new gear with rarity and a slight evasion + energy shield boost or do i go full evasion + energy and ditch the rarity

or do both and get middle on either one

[crystal knot]

I'm not sure it REALLY matters with the state of the drop rates. I would wait to invest too heavily into rarity. It seems people are just entering endgame since the past weekend and are all shocked with the drop rates

[void osprey]

so i wait things out for when more information comes out?

[crystal knot]

Ya I would invest in DPS and defense. That will always benefit your clearing ability.

And right now I am getting the same shit on a map regardless of rarity so best case is clearing the maps as fast as possible

[void osprey]

Im playing LS amazon with 54% evasion 1781 life and 178 energy shield
and res capped

[crystal knot]

Maybe if you can boost rarity closer to 200 and still clear it might be worth investing

But around 100% doesn't feel much better in regards to currency

[void osprey]

okok ill try my luck with the trades. tysm for the advice

[iron harbor]

anyone knows how this works with Amazon's Critical Strike? I would assume it doesnt double-dip, so you get just bonus accuracy, but it does not contribute to the increased crit chance?

[cedar tulip]

"elemental damage with attacks" is additive with other increases and is not a local mod like "increased physical damage" on weapons ^^ if that is what you meant

[dawn spire]

I don't see why it wouldn't work both ways. That node can only give you up to 100% increased accuracy rating. But idk how the formula works

Well, it would seem pretty consistent with poe2 if it just gave accuracy but didn't recalculate your crit based on its own accuracy

[iron harbor]

well the calculation would loop forever then thugh?

[dawn spire]

No, because you cannot go above 100% crit chance

[patent shell]

does pob 2 calculate armour break and armour of enemies ?

[iron harbor]

well then it would mean it would loop until you hit 100%, no matter what the beginning number was? :D

[dawn spire]

No, it would scale logarithmically

I think that's the right word

It would approach a limit that might be less than 100% crit chance

[patent shell]

how can i customize my true physical damage how much phys damage reduction does a boss have ? or how much armour ???

[dawn spire]

Since you only get 25% of your accuracy beyond 100% as crit chance AND 1% increased accuracy does not equal 1% hit chance. So it would taper

But that sounds like a lot of calculating so I'm guessing it doesn't loop

[iron harbor]

there would be an asymptote so it would calculate forever

[cosmic tulip]

how much accuracy is enough for the lightning spear build ?

[dawn spire]

https://poe2db.tw/us/The_Arbiter_of_Ash#TheArbiterofAshDemonClawBoss

This just shows "Armor: +20%" whatever that means

[dawn spire]

Until you hit the minimum decimal a float can be, or whatever they calculate. Yeah

[patent shell]

ah ok so he has 20% phys damage reduction ? i do 1 million dps with my leapslam should i swap one dps gem with armour break gem ? but then i lose 20-30% dps

[dawn spire]

I have no idea what that 20% means

[iron harbor]

they allegedly had that with EB+discipline aura in pre-EA build and it crashed their servers real bad :D

[dawn spire]

It's labeled as armor but armor can't give %pdr in a vacuum

[cedar tulip]

most bosses from what I can tell have around 20-30k ^^ Armour breaker with just a few nodes can almost armour break a "armored boss"

I think all enemies have a base amount of armour and then have local scalers that increase that base.

[patent shell]

yes but what exactly does that mean if a enemy has 20k armour how much less dmg i do on him then ?

if armour breaking is that strong i just take a totem with armourbreaker gem i guess

[cedar tulip]

it depends on the size of your hit ^^ you can check the armour formula on the wiki pretty sure

[dawn spire]

If the formula is the same as poe1 (and that's a massive 'if') then you can calculate that using the Armour page on the wiki. Or use the poe1 pob and put in equal armor and damage values

+17 levels wtf

[cedar tulip]

It is the same formula but one of the constants are different. Not sure if the Poe2 wiki has that updated

[patent shell]

yes 2x 2h maces = +12 + 3 from amulet and 2+ from gloves

[frosty finch]

Anyone did a ritual sacrifice build ?

[patent shell]

so it doesnt matter in that point if i have 1 or 5 mill dps breaking armour doesnt matter right ? cause i dont think that endgame bosses have 1 million armour or 500k armour XD

i think this hp is also wrong the boss has 5 - 20 mil hp no ?

[latent dawn]

Has anyone made any calculations for how much focus ES you can get with all the sources of "increased ES from equipped focus"? I wonder how much is possible lol

might PoB it I guess just to see

[tribal dew]

Like it would be the same as if it was on a jewel?

[static torrent]

Yes, all global increases like that are additive to one another.

[tribal dew]

Great thanks 👍

[plain night]

If I have X chance to bleed on hit, does that also count for this?

So there is a chance my Ancenstal Warrior could also bleed them?

[sacred pelican]

to quality the all resistance mod on amulet, I use defense catalyst yes?

[static torrent]

The All Resistance mod has the following tags, so you'd need a Catalyst that affects one of them:

[elfin dock]

Is there a support gem or other tech to prevent a skill from critically hitting?

Background: I have a high crit build and have a couple of fairly mana expensive debuffs triggered through an On Crit skill gem. This is a fine situation for mapping because I've got a mana on kill so it kind of works out. On bosses my mana drops to 0 pretty quickly. I loaded up my weapon's basic attack with soul thief to sustain and that would be perfect if I wasn't popping criticals on those hits too 😭

[gilded tangle]

Which iteration of witch minions are people using? Ghazzy feels low on dmg?

[lime ember]

Super critical would give you 100% crit damage bonus for 20% less crit, but would only help a bit, not solve your problem

[rough folio]

i don't see the point in Shield Charge on a Ranger

[ashen kite]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/伴随春天而来的死神-6663/便秘战士钩子?i=2&search=class%3DSmith%2Bof%2BKitava%26items%3DThe%2BDeepest%2BTower

Anyone seen builds like this? they are quite popular on kitava builds. But I cannot figure out how its doing damage.

[plucky juniper]

any idea which is better for an LS amazon build?

[dawn spire]

Depends on your crit chance and how much added damage you have on your non-weapon gear

And your crit damage bonus

Man I wanna do so many dumb builds but I'm stuck in Mexico away from my pc.

Ice shot acolyte
ED/C chrono
Cold chrono
Ignite Smith
Corrupting cry warbringer
Impending doom infernalist

So many juicy options

[sacred pelican]

bro how do people on Poe2ninja get 5k ES, I followed their exact itemization and everything but I can't get higher than 2.8k??

[plucky juniper]

These are my rings so decent dmg rolls, and i have 23% crit dmg on amulet.. and 24% crit chance on helm.. so correct me if im wrong,

the tangletongue is better since i have flat dmg on rings and crit dmg/percent on gear?

[dawn spire]

Your gear has the same values of ES as theirs? If so, does your tree have the same amount of %ES?

[dawn spire]

I'd equip them both and see what gives more dps. Tangle tongue gets exponentially better the higher your crit chance

[rugged panther]

hey guys, anyone know if we can calculate seeds for timeless jewels ? seems to me right now is just buy it and hope for the best once you slot it

[plucky juniper]

when u say gives more dps do u mean the number on Lightning spear when i look at the skill page?

[dawn spire]

Not yet. Took poe1 years before they cracked it. Hopefully it'll be faster with 2

[rugged panther]

damn i really wanted that one that gives 15% chance for power charge on crit strike

[dawn spire]

Yes

Idk if it factors in the crit forking tho

[plucky juniper]

tangle is 2.7k other spear is 4.2.... yeh i dont know if it would...

on paper the rare spear seems goated but i cant calculate the forking benefit

brain too small

[dawn spire]

What's your crit chance?

[dawn spire]

Yeah until you get closer to 100% crit chance I'd pass on Tangle tongue

[plucky juniper]

ok thank u! really appreciate the help

[tough wing]

I want to start a ssf journey, and plan on playing crossbows, what ascendancy should i choose? I think amazon has good damage to get started, but kitava or witchhunter are tanky so gearing might be easier. What are your experiences?

[celest blaze]

Where you start in the tree matters quite a bit too, you'll do quite a lot of travelling for Kitava, but it is really great SSF. with the new ascendancy respeccing, you should be able to start one for levelling and then switch to another Asc for endgame (can't change class though obviously)...

I think that Amazon SSF with the Rake + Stomping Ground / Shockwave thing would be great until you can switch to whatever XBow build you're doing later when you get a good weapon.

Really though think about what your desired endgame class is, and make sure you start with that.

[weary sun]

Yo how come str req for weapons increase when I buy the item from trade? Trade site would say like 150 str req to wield but when I buy it jumps to like 600 str req?

[static torrent]

Is it a unique that has +X to the requirement or something?

[spark ingot]

giants blood?

[celest blaze]

you have Giant's Blood assigned in the passive tree, yes

[static torrent]

Or that

[weary sun]

Yes

[static torrent]

That triples the attribute requirement for Martial Weapons, so there you go.

[weary sun]

Ah kk I shoulda read the fine lines lmao

[celest blaze]

you can unassign it until you need it

[weary sun]

636 str req bruh

[celest blaze]

also there are some "convert 20% of req to another stat" runes you can put in, so two of those make it much more reasonable

and 3 -4% item requs down at the bottom of the tree near Polymathy

636 is a lot, but doable.

[weary sun]

I got some extra rune slots for +10 str. Not too far off from 636

[celest blaze]

before you buy, bust out the calculator to see what it will really require

[weary sun]

Definitely doing that now

[celest blaze]

including the -req stuff. Slotting one "20% as Int / Tex" req qould likely get you there. But 20% of 636 is still a LOT lol

[night socket]

For tamed beast does the level of the skill gem affect it in any way?

[static torrent]

It increases the level of the minion spawned.

[tough wing]

i think i just go smith and level meleee and how how ssf goes, the res fix makes gearing so easy so i can pump all curency and luck in a weapon

[night socket]

can i somehow get rhoa and quadrilla same time? i have enough spirit but it says i cant summon more than one

[tribal dew]

is there anyway to reserve life in poe2?

to be low life

[celest blaze]

You do know that the costs are percentages of your total spirit, not a flat number, yes?

[celest blaze]

some. Infernalist has 3 ascendancies that if you took them all would do it I think

Would be quite dangerous though

[tribal dew]

outside of infernalist. should of added that sorry.

[celest blaze]

not that I'm aware of at least

[tribal dew]

ok thanks for confirming

[distant glade]

Is incinerate playable ?

[spark ingot]

keystone or Unique Body

[manic venture]

Why can't I support a skill with both: Tumult: Supports Skills you use yourself which can cause Damaging Hits. Supported Skills consume a Frenzy Charge on use to powerfully Break Armour. Supported Skills Consume a Frenzy Charge on use to Break Armour equal to 50% of Physical Damage dealt and Ferocity: Supports Skills that you use yourself. Supported Skills will consume a Frenzy Charge on use if possible, and will gain significant Skill Speed if they do. Supported Skills cannot generate Frenzy Charges. Supported Skills cannot generate Frenzy Charges Supported Skills will consume a Frenzy Charge on use if possible Supported Skills have 40% more Skill Speed when consuming Frenzy Charges

[fiery scaffold]

when i throw storm lances at a boss, does this passive consider the place i threw the spear from or does it work if it lands near the enemy and starts doing damage?

[manic venture]

You need the keystone or unique that lets you have two companions. While Companions are a special type of minion you can only have 1 of by default.

[spark ingot]

what skill

[manic venture]

Bonestorm. I can have one or the other but not both for some reason

[spark ingot]

probably limit on Charge consuming supports. 1 per skill.

maybe some sort of technical issue with consuming 2 charges at the same time using different supports.

[manic venture]

I assume this, but it's odd that that wouldn't be explicitly stated in the tooltip for charges. The game is usually very good at explaining limitations :/

[cosmic tulip]

Anyone can link me a super good huntress lightning spear build ?

I have a feeling I am doing something wrong..

[spark ingot]

you can always ask in feedback or bug report

[cedar tulip]

you can use the lich node "life cannot change while you have es" to set life to LL then gain es ^^ there is a helmet that removes es, then use a lifetap skill to go LL, swap helmet again

[dawn spire]

You cannot have two support gems that consume the same thing. In fact, if a skill already consumes a charge, it takes priority over all support gems that consume the same thing. You cannot stack consume effects.

[dawn spire]

If you're doing something wrong it's likely with your gear which is something all builds struggle with without guidance.

#1328202289755983932 has all the advice I can offer for gearing in the campaign. It should help a lot

[cosmic tulip]

I finished the campain , I am in maps , but there is quite a big difference between what my build does and what i see these people on youtube do , My frenzy generation is not verry consistent

[spark ingot]

you didn't spend 2 or 3 up to 50 divines yet 🍿 don't need charges if they are dead

[graceful stag]

what's a good DPS number?

trying to find the hp total of end game shit

[austere sparrow]

what can i do to improve my huntress gas arrow survivability ? i have 75% evasion capped res 1.5k life still getting randomly 1 tapped, do i have to go like evasion + es scaling or something ?

[graceful stag]

get more life

[dawn spire]

I don't go by number, I go by if the mobs die in a way that I enjoy (usually in a good timeframe)

But a dps number is so vague as to be meaningless. Especially with how inaccurate the skill page and pob are right now.

[dawn spire]

That's a very low amount of life for what I assume is post-campaign

[spark ingot]

you don't have 75% evasion capped, it's illusion. but 1,5k life? you will just die. Evasion works on entropy. YOU WILL GET HIT!, you are just delaying when they will stack entropy up to the point where they have guaranteed hit.

[cosmic tulip]

I am looking around I think the problem is I don't have that unique ring

[graceful stag]

do you know pinnacle life total though? trying to make a very end game build atm and i cant find it anywhere

[digital axle]

sorry for dumb question. what damage type scales with ignite? not hit to ignite, but only ignite?

[spark ingot]

pinnacles got 5diff lvls, 0-4, so depends.

[dawn spire]

Not sure but if you watch someone kill it you can probably derive it from the damage numbers at the top

[spark ingot]

diff4 has like 32m hp if i remember correctly.

[dawn spire]

I think your terms are a bit confused. The five damage types are physical, chaos, fire, cold, and lightning.

Ignite deals fire damage over time and its magnitude scales with the fire damage of the hit that caused it. Once the ignite is set, none of your fire damage modifiers apply again to the ignite. There is no double dipping.

What does affect the ignite, I believe, is stuff like shock, enemy fire resistance, etc. Because those things don't actually affect the magnitude of the ignite. They're basically skipped in the application stage of the ignite so they can affect the damage of the ignite afterward

Magnitude is determined by the final damage of the hit, but not by any modifiers on the target that affect how much damage they take from the hit (shock, fire res, etc)

[digital axle]

tyvm, was very informative. sorry for bad formulating of question 😄

[dawn spire]

Nah, you're good. This game has very precise and occasionally frustrating terminology

[digital axle]

so for example if using this helm. fire % wont affect it same goes for spell damage. what about damage as extra cold?

[dawn spire]

Damage over time does not benefit from damage as extra

The only way it would would be if you were hitting and had "% gain as fire" since that would give you more fire damage for the hit and thus a bigger ignite

But things that ignite as tho dealing X cannot benefit from %gain as extra, to my knowledge

[dawn spire]

Oh sorry, fire damage would definitely help here

Spell would not

It's just a base 100 fire damage ignite. So fire damage would apply

[digital axle]

it will increase base fire damage?

[dawn spire]

No, by definition you cannot increase your base damage of an ability like this

But if you had 30% inc fire damage you'd ignite as tho dealing 130 instead

It would raise your final fire damage the ignite is based on

But since that effect is not hitting, just applying an ignite, % gain as extra won't do anything

[trim dagger]

guys anyone knows why the life leech to energy shield leech conversion from essentia sanguis is not working on my ritualist ?

[digital axle]

im really lost about this, and how fire damage affects if not hit

[trim dagger]

i have % life leech on my spear

[dawn spire]

For radiant grief, you basically treat the "ignite as tho dealing 100 fire damage" as your "hit damage" which can be modified by things that affect fire damage (like %increased fire damage).

Then that final value is used to determine the ignite magnitude. From there, the ignite is inflicted and can be further modified by shock, the enemy's fire resistance, etc

For example, let's say you have radiant grief, 100% increased fire damage, and the enemy has 25% fire resistance.

Your radiant grief Ignites as though dealing 200 fire damage (100 x 2 for 100% increased). The enemy then takes 20% of that as damage per second for four second, or 40 dps.

The enemy has 25% fire res, which means they reduce it to 30 dps.

If the enemy were shocked for, say, 25% increased damage, then they'd be taking 37.5 dps instead

[digital axle]

are you sure that "ignite as tho dealing 100 fire damage" counts as "hit damage"?

[dawn spire]

Notice that your 100% fire damage did not apply to the dps after the magnitude was decided

[dawn spire]

It does not count as hit damage, that's why I used quotation marks. For the sake of the calculation, though, that's what it resembles

But you are NOT hitting

[tribal dew]

thanks. i was looking for something with a merc build.

[digital axle]

thank you for very informative explanation, understood a lot about this new ignite

[dawn spire]

Does it say %Physical damage leeched as life? If so, do you deal any physical damage? Or do you convert it all to elemental?

[eternal marlin]

hi, which one do i trust? lightning spear build

[dawn spire]

What do you mean trust? The one you should distrust is the section above it that says your accuracy

That section is 100% factual given a fixed accuracy rating. That accuracy rating is the thing you should be sus of

(assuming you have the crit strikes Amazon node)

[eternal marlin]

i am deadeye

my accuracy is fine i think(?)

[dawn spire]

Oh, then accuracy doesn't really affect your crit chance so you're fine

You can trust those values

Tho because you even asked the question, I'm not entirely sure you understand how forked crits work on Tangle tongue

[eternal marlin]

so im basically just have 70% cr?

[dawn spire]

Hold alt and click on "forked crits" on the weapon

[eternal marlin]

and what is effective crit

[dawn spire]

Read about forked crits first and it should clear it up

[eternal marlin]

ohh

i see

and how about malice? is it already in the calc aswell or i need to keep it in mind too

[dawn spire]

Conditional debuffs and buffs are not included in the details panel

[eternal marlin]

how do i calc that thing

[dawn spire]

(Base crit chance on weapon + (0.5 x average number of crit weakness stacks)) x all your modifiers to crit chance

Crit weakness stacks basically just add to your base crit chance

[eternal marlin]

fuck can pob calc that instead me dumb

[dawn spire]

Alternatively, you can do

(Your crit chance (70%)) x [1 + ( (Avg stacks of crit weakness x 0.5)/base crit of weapon)] to see your new final crit chance

[eternal marlin]

this seems more doable

what is the avg stack for the malice crit weakness

[dawn spire]

Depends on how often it applies*. Hold alt and click on crit weakness keyword

[eternal marlin]

duration is 4, applies every 0.55 sec

[dawn spire]

4/0.55 is your Avg if they're constantly in your presence

Tho I would round to a whole number, likely the lower one

[eternal marlin]

hmm ill put 6 instead of 7 to compensate since i don't think it'll be constant

[near jewel]

artillery ballista any good for arbiter ?

[storm folio]

If something has the tag "Cold", does any gear with "#% Increased cold damage" increase the skills damage?

And does that apply to minions, totems etc?

[still rock]

1. For the most part, yes. For things like attacks it depends on how much physical attack damage is converted. But there isn't any baked in conversion for spells (that I'm aware of), so cold spells get 100% of the benefit of inc cold %.

2. No to minions but yes to totems (totems inherit your offensive stats)

e.g. if the attack converts 60% of phys to cold then 60% of that skill's damage benefits from inc cold %

[storm folio]

I see. Unfortunate with the minions :C

Hmm okay

[halcyon solar]

I was just looking at LS Amazon. Can someone explain to me what the Frenzy Charges actually do in the end. I understood the mechanics of generation.

[storm folio]

If yoyu have enough convert, all your damage gets the bonus then, yeah?

[still rock]

if you convert 100%, yes

[still rock]

make spear go brrrrr

[halcyon solar]

a bit more specific 😄
so it buffs spear and Storm Lance, right? but where can you see in what way?

[still rock]

it says on the skill

[cyan ridge]

Someone know a good detailed starter Guide (Youtube or something with pob) for New huntress? Like for lightning spear skill (i dont know how it calls)

[cosmic tulip]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/build-guides/lightning-spear-amazon#gearing-header is this a good guide for ls amazon ? it's quite different than mine...

[halcyon solar]

i don't have the gems infront of me, was just looking at a Mobalytics guide and there was no real mention of what the effect essentially is. but now i'm looking up the skills, thanks!

[still rock]

its what clears the whole screen p much

[left crypt]

@desert edge hi, I was told you were knowledgeable in monk and I'm still new to poe2 can you give me your thoughts on which class is strongest currently? The most popular one I've seen is ice strike but I've also heard chayula may be underrated

[trim dagger]

to get back to the lifeleech question . what am i misunderstanding here, resulting in me not leeching any energy shield back up?

[winter knoll]

anyone know why i cant slot every supp gem on spearfield ?

like this on every supp gem, same after reload the game

[static torrent]

I'm not sure why, but every now and then the Gemcutting UI for support gems seems to bug out. Disable Gemcutting Restrictions in the settings and you can bypass it.

[winter knoll]

someone tell me to desequipe weapon and reequipe and it's work now

[shrewd pulsar]

What is the fastest way to summon 10 raging spirits?

Flamewall feels very slow, is there a spell thats faster?

[gloomy rain]

Barely played any PoE 1 so I'm not really sure how to gauge how good an item is. I figured having all 6 mods you want at the highest tier would be needed to count as a great item, but I've seen people go nuts over rares with 4 good mods and stuff, so I'm not sure. Anyway, I managed to craft these, I think they're pretty good for now? Definitely going to want 35% boots eventually.

[atomic halo]

6xt1 is way too high of a standard, that's basically perfect

[static plinth]

6xT1 is the kind of thing that can cost mirrors

[gloomy rain]

Kinda glad that the build I'm going for needs so many uniques then, I imagine it'll be easier to get good ones than it would be if they were rares.

[atomic halo]

nobody ever needs 6xt1 anyway

[trim dagger]

anyone got a clue why this interaction does not work? im leeching 0 life, thought it might have to do with ghoust shroud but not the case

[static plinth]

What skill are you using

[trim dagger]

lightning spear

[merry basin]

Would mercenary/tactician mace/shield, with some fire dmg work for a Paladin coop tank/support?

[static plinth]

You arent dealing physical damage

Need phys damage to leech

[zealous bone]

So, I have this Spear, and I was wondering… should I keep the Accuracy Rune on it, or should I use a Phys Rune instead?

[trim dagger]

even if i have rings with +phys dmg?

[atomic halo]

do some math or use pob

your choice

[static plinth]

You're leeching like 5 Life per thrown spear

[trim dagger]

shouldnt 20% of my dmg be more than that ?

or is the spear dmg that low

compared to the bolts

[static plinth]

5% of 20% of your damage

[trim dagger]

yeah i guess ure right

makes total sense

any way to get phys dmg into lightning spear/primal strike ritualist?

[static plinth]

Twisters would work better since they dont convert

[trim dagger]

havent tried them out yet

[night socket]

is chaos res meant to be capped too?

[atomic halo]

(166+310)/2/(1+1.39)*(1+1.39+0.25) = 262
(166+310)/2+110/4 = 265

wait thats wrong

sec

[atomic halo]

not really

[zealous bone]

So, the difference is barely noticeable based off of that calculation, correct?

[atomic halo]

correct

[zealous bone]

Thank you!

[atomic halo]

acc should be a little better than it says as you should have some other bonuses for acc

like atkspd per acc, crit from asc, etc.

[zealous bone]

Yeah, I get what you're saying, like attkspd

Yeah

[wispy bronze]

which one is better guys ?

[left crypt]

That one

[fleet blaze]

... there are zero... ZERO evasion shields on the market...

[desert edge]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-kermit-kermit-the-frog-muppets-stressed-gif-7121337

who told you that

lemme read the rest of your message tho

[left crypt]

Shanochi

If you know him

I guess the better question is chayula or invoker lol

Reread my message and it kinda made no sense

But also was interested in either ice strike, Lightning spear or storm wave (whatever its called) and or flicker strike

[static plinth]

Search for Bucklers not Shields lol

[desert edge]

im not a monk guy, just an invoker, i wouldn't know how to go with chalupa builds even tho i have some plans (but that's for much later)
and while access to OP builds (statstacking, herald chain, EoW bells) has gotten harder to get, they can still function at a fraction of their former power, the thing is that instead of 1 taping pinnacle bosses, you will have to go around and sustain yourself in prolonged fights
and to be honest, that's not invoker strenght
however, he got the ability to create ground effect and have extra spirit and good energy handling, so there's some things he can do for sustain (regardless of weapon) but that's still in works

Chalupa has stronger defenses (even if spirits skills can provide good defense) and sustainability, however the opportunity cost is steep (losing the invoker lethality is tough), I still need to play chalupa before giving quantitative comparisons

@left crypt

[left crypt]

Yeah I saw a Leech chayula guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1f4i4lh1NM

This one

The guy seemed pretty into theory crafting

[desert edge]

i hate to say this but light spear is a better skill now, it will probably be nerfed soonish so im still not playing it, nor planning deep maps with it (even if i end up a bit slower)
flicker does not exist by itself iirc, you need additional skill to get it going, its not like in poe, ice strike is a simple melee skill with closing up effect (so its better than flurry in that regard), i still like it, so there's that, im just keeping it close to heart. Storm Wave is a good skill this said, you can get the triple fissure thing (forgot the support) and it can get some distance for pack clearing, its good
however, if you want to progress well right now, its LS + Volt support, its idiotic how it functions too well, just have a backup plan within the week

[desert edge]

also sorry, i dont watch other content creator apart from ziz and mathil and that's just to vibes with them (or quick check if some skill is reliable enough, like if I see mathil using something this league, i will consider it good enough to play with, regardless of whats the meta is)

[sweet yew]

can anyone help me with upgrading my LS gear? Im not sure what I should upgrade next with 1D budget

[desert edge]

if you want to play LS with monk, that's good btw

[left crypt]

So if a,skill tree is built around ice strike can you just adapt it for LS?

[desert edge]

i gotta see it first, gonna depend of a couple things and some gear difference

ice strike invoker staves are v particular and they're not the same as amazon staves

but by head

i dont see a lot of limitations

you could probably free up slots due to not needing as much AS and thus mana sustain

maybe less shock components

could gain 10 points somewhere

[left crypt]

Should I look up some LS monks then instead of ice striker

[desert edge]

but freezing would be required somewhere else you gotta electrocute

if you're an invoker, feel free to ping me in #1322159812863066133 give me all the screenshots you want and i can be a bit more thourought regardless of the build inspiration as long you're an invoker

is that even how its spelled, i hate this word

throughout

2 part, thru and out

okay

anyways its up to you, you can see both but if im looking up your build i will disregard the source material and focus on pathing and fair priced gear upgrades, i can keep some identity if you wish tho

[unique pecan]

what are some ways I can maximize a shield charge focused build?

[dusky wadi]

Is minions witch any good in endgame?

[cosmic tulip]

It's time to log off for me ,,, I spent 2 hours and 15 ex just to make my character worse..... =))

[civic garden]

I wanted to ask for tangletongue how much crit damage can we add in POB to represent the forking value? It's not implemented yet in POB but would like to compare it with my rare seaglass. Thanks!

[atomic halo]

how much crit %

ideally you want to just get 100%

then it's just double

[civic garden]

I will get 100 after equipping it

[atomic halo]

then it's just double, 100% more critical damage bonus

[civic garden]

Ah ok and I can just edit that into the item and see?

[atomic halo]

yeah

[static plinth]

Temporalis is kind of a must unfortunately

[civic garden]

and what sockets woudl you put? flat lightning?

[atomic halo]

crit bonus

[little pumice]

Has anybody work on a Demon form build?

[civic garden]

Oh that is a good shout, but idk why or if POB is calculating wrong, but I see 2 flat lightning give almost double dps than if I slot in 2 crit damage ones, or is there something I'm not seeing?

[atomic halo]

you need to build around it

by getting tons of flat from sources like rings

if you dont flat runes are better, but in that case a rare spear would be better

you want to get enough flat from other sources that crit is the best or in contention

[civic garden]

Ah I see, thank you so much for the insight, and while I have you here, do you know when we can take of kitoko or do they stay on forever?

[atomic halo]

i forgot read the guide

[civic garden]

May i have a link to the guide?

[atomic halo]

i thought you had one you were referring to

just search up fubgun lightning spear or something

[civic garden]

I do but he never says to take them off but then I see his end game version and he's taken it off so I am a bit confused

[pseudo gale]

anyone know how to get wither to work in POB2?

[river dew]

Does the fork crits effect of Tangletongue apply to all hits or only things that use the weapon? Like would shield charge get it too?

[spark ingot]

Only weapon

[river dew]

are you sure? I'll have to test because I'm seeing lots of other mentions of it applying globally...

wish we had a training dummy

[atomic halo]

tbh i dont think anyone really knows.

[marble jasper]

for a flat life, attributes regen morior, would flat life, str or %life socketable give more life? im at 2774

[atomic halo]

kid named pob:

[cunning briar]

whats a good leaguestarter thats decently tanky and has good clearspeed? i dont care too much about bossing

[marble jasper]

stomp rake

[marble jasper]

gonna be honest chief im kinda stupid not sure how to do the morior affixes

[atomic halo]

click the dropdowns?

[marble jasper]

oh theres dropdowns? my bad, i didnt even see them. ill check when i get off work, my bad

[atomic halo]

h wait

this bit

[marble jasper]

so the first bit are the morior explicits, the second bit are socketables, got it. thanks

[atomic halo]

yeah

[marble jasper]

had my roommate run and check real quick, doesnt seem to be strength runes but for now the flat life t3s are the best. thanks bloon

[dusky wadi]

@atomic halo hey you got any minion witch builds? Since you gave me the build for warrior I’ve been having a blast so I wonder if you have any witch builds

[carmine flicker]

hi
was smth better than vaal guard been found?

[atomic halo]

tbh i havent seen a single minion build since 0.2.0

[dusky wadi]

Is it just bad rn?

[atomic halo]

well, i wont say that, if it wasn't, i'd probably see some of note by now.

[dusky wadi]

Btw my smith of kitava has been going amazing so far

I’m at 88% f/c/l and 33% chaos resist

[atomic halo]

thats great to hear

[dusky wadi]

I finally realized how block worst and realized that the reason my block was so bad was cause my shield was outdated >.>

@atomic halo but sorry to bug you, if you could help me try to find a minion build i would appreciate it, I’m not too well versed in how to look this stuff up

[atomic halo]

ill take a look in abt half an hour

[dusky wadi]

Alright I’ll just do some mapping on warrior for now then, I’m trying to get my ascendancy

[velvet ravine]

anyone playing kripp's version of frost mages minions?

[hoary bolt]

Whats currently the most 'free' damage with spears right now? I'm building a really defensive setup and need to still deal some respectable damage.

[halcyon solar]

I did

[pallid wigeon]

For those playing Ritualist, you can equip Arvil's wheel in your 2nd weapon set, and utilize weapon set points to get all the nearby skill effect/buff duration passives to get your ritual sacrifice buffs to over 60 seconds without sacrificing any power in doing so. Only requires that you manually switch weapon sets when using ritual sacrifice.

[analog prism]

Im going leopolds with my deadeye crossbow shockburst build. Skill has 82 light penetration, I also apply lightning exposure. Do I need conductivity curse for any bosses? Or would voltaic mark be enough?

[velvet ravine]

i was wondering, if you'd know, why pick embitter support over spell echo or bidding, on the frost mages?

[dawn spire]

The question is what skill you're using. If you're converting all your physical damage to elemental you're not going to leech anything

[dawn spire]

With that much pen, the exposure is pretty useless

And so is conductivity

[dawn spire]

Rake + stomping ground + brutality

[low arrow]

Any good CI builds this league?

[plain night]

Whats the difference between these 2?

[low arrow]

Are you using svalin?

[plain night]

Yeah

[low arrow]

Its calculating the average since svalin makes block chance roll twice. So technically your chance is 52% but it rolls the dice two times to determine if you block

[frigid pawn]

Do I have 100% crit chance or like... 22% lol

[plain night]

So its giving me like a 'rough' 77% chance but not always going to be accurate to that

[low arrow]

Yes, since your actual block chance is 52% but it just rolls twice. Its like if you have a dice and you need to roll somewhere between 1-3 but you can roll the dice 2 times.

[plain night]

Yeah that makes sense. So prob a dumb question, but just to confirm. If I had a perk which gives me 1% dmg per block chance. My dmg increase right now is 52%, not 77%?

[low arrow]

Yes

Since it says block chance, not estimated

POE is very specific about language

[plain night]

Yeah so I see haha

Cool thanks for your help

[frigid pawn]

Please I need to know

[low arrow]

My guess is that your chance is 15. The other number is how much your crit has been increased by hit chance from the amazon ascendancy. Meaning you have had your crit chance increased by 84% from your hit chance

[pseudo gale]

any suggestions for how to track the effect of the jewels socketed into crystalline phylactery in POB2?

[gray ferry]

Does Aura Magnitude improve Offering skills?

[civic garden]

is it normal for my lightning spear to not have 100% crit on tooltip and is 100% on POB, or am I doing something wrong?

[gray ferry]

sometimes tooltip is missing things that PoB is accounting for

[civic garden]

ok cool, thanks!

[zealous bone]

Is PoB available for Mac?

[frigid pawn]

Yeah its definitely not 100% after some testing on a boss. well frick crit anyways lol

[low arrow]

Resolute Technique warrior go unga bunga

[hybrid ocean]

I believe that if their lightning resistance is overcapped, exposure applies to the original resistance, not the limited one.

[blazing umbra]

Can this https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/giga-stampede-kitava-kingkongor?weaponSet=set1 be played with titan ascendancy and not smith of kitava?

[static plinth]

In theory, but you probably wont gain much but more deaths

[urban spindle]

Does ingenuity belt affect original sin

And are player rarity and map rarity different softcaps. Like if I already have 120 rarity on player would the map get DR'd and it'd be better to go for item/rare quantity?

[static plinth]

Original Sin has no scalable stats, just booleans

[gray ferry]

iirc the map rarity mods are multiplicative

[keen crest]

the calculations is
15.21% x 1.8424 = 28% crit chance

[patent shell]

why i dont get chaos res ?

[gray ferry]

well you'd need to take a hit

[ocean verge]

so herald of thunder cant shock, but it should electrocute enemies with the electrocute support right?

Assuming you can get enough damage to reach the ailment threshold etc

[patent shell]

ah i though the upper mod is a passive mod

[ocean verge]

thats what happens when you get hit, the lower ones are the passive mods technically

[crisp nimbus]

I was chillin in disc with a guy playing siege cascade tactician the other night - forget his name if anyone knows him could you tag him or send me his name - wanted to ask him some questions

[urban spindle]

So if map mod is 50% increased I would get 120% increased rarity from my player applied after the map mod?

When a drop happens I mean.

Would be 120% extra of 150?

[frigid pawn]

Thank you, 1 in 4 ain't bad but I still don't like it lol

[mellow skiff]

Mercenarys, Fresh Clip are not working?

[round escarp]

do bleeds stack?

[gray ferry]

I don't recall the exact math on it 😅 but for POE1 it was something like, increase and reductions within a category are additive (players, map being categories let's say) andd then between stats they interact multiplicatively. I think the diminishing returns occur within a category, if we are going off of POE1 math.

And folks digging around were saying it's similar here too

[gray ferry]

no

just one bleed - the biggest bleed - on an enemy

[pliant rivet]

do you guys think they gonna hard nerf lightning spear?

[crystal drift]

if i have enough spirit for 8 skelly frost mages , should i do like 6 and 2 clerics? idk how good clerics really are if im only mid 40's

[round escarp]

so im thinking of making a physical flicker strike amazon

no elemental damage with attacks on weapon then rip

[atomic mirage]

good starting tree for chronomancer ?

or complete garbage

[urban spindle]

That's good to know. I assume a split of quantity and rarity is best but was just curious if I build 120 rarity am I getting DR'd on maps with rarity. Ty.

[low arrow]

Any good CI builds?

[ripe stream]

Is the game back
Up?

[atomic mirage]

yes

reload steam or smtg

[blazing umbra]

You think i should go kitava then? I want titan ascendancy but there is no builds for 0.2.0 😭😭

[still rock]

i think im gunna make something wacky im bored already halfway to 93 😭

[tropic cove]

I have an ingenuity belt and it says "7% increased charm charges used", so when I equip a charm that uses 80 out of 80 charges, for example, it means that the charm gets 0 charges. This means I can't use nascent hope thawing charm. anything I can do about this?

[atomic halo]

get reduced charm charges used

[tropic cove]

can nascent hope drop with that? I couldn't find it in the trade site

[humble wave]

Is it just me or are those 2 really bad for notable nodes? The General's Bindings doesn't seem to scale off your total Evasion Rating and the other one gives you 400 evasion assuming you have 400 armor gloves, but at that point a simple +12% Evasion/Armor rating gives you way more than 400 evasion rating

[atomic halo]

i mean, just get it on the tree

there's like 2 clusters with it

[tropic cove]

I see, thank you

[blazing umbra]

Anybody playing that? https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/f44792ce-f16b-4663-a2f3-a0217a4c1e03/builds/6a899af1-e6ce-4cd0-9d55-db881b0c57eb?weaponSet=set1

[atomic halo]

who plays titan

everyone is on smith

[pearl sluice]

https://youtu.be/MvwmmjVIes0?si=qw9n-lIfiFqkc5CW

so I was watching this guide and he talks about how damage conversion is normalized. He uses the example that if you had 100% to cold, 50% lightning, 50% fire that would become 50% cold, 25% lightning, and 25% fire.

What happens if you just have a single element conversion type but it comes from two different sources, for example: 80% of damage converted to fire skill gem + avatar of fire which converts 75% of damage to fire. Would you have 100% of your damage converted to fire? (Let’s assume your weapon only does physical damage for simplicity)

What about a 30% conversion skill with avatar of fire?

[onyx beacon]

Do only hard lvls apply to totems? I ask because I've got +8 to melee making my totems lv 16... but they only have 30 res, or is that what they're supposed to be at? Do the last 4 lvls give 11.25 ea?

[atomic halo]

skill conversion comes first.
100 phys -> 20 phys 80 fire
20 phys 80 fire -> 15 fire + 80 fire -> 95 fire

[static plinth]

You would have 100% to fire in both scenarios, they add together and round down to 100%
On the other hand, if you had a 50% to fire skill, and 100% to cold modifier, you would have 50% of each, because skill conversions take priority

[static plinth]

Ew is that how that works? That sucks

[atomic halo]

how else would it work

it's either in distinct steps or it isn't

it cant add together if it's on different steps

[pearl sluice]

See that’s what I originally assumed was the case but the way it’s explained there threw me off.

[atomic halo]

lemme double check

not only am i correct

this is a verbatim example from mark

In the case you describe, if the active skill gem converts 80% of it's physical damage to fire, assuming for simplicity it started with 100 physical damage, it will have 80 fire damage and 20 physical damage after skill conversion, then Avatar of Fire's non-skill conversion will apply, converting 75% of the physical damage to fire (converting 75% of the fire damage to fire has no effect - converting something to the same thing is ignored entirely), resulting in 95 fire damage and 5 physical - which becomes just 95 fire damage since Avatar of Fire prevents dealing the physical damage at all.
- https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-posts/Mark_GGG%25230000/page/2

[dusky wadi]

does earthquake have a "limit"?

[uncut trout]

Is glancing hits worth taking for block as a back up to evasion?

[atomic halo]

with exactly the same numbers because i'm just built different

[pearl sluice]

Awesome, well that makes perfect sense so that’s good! Thank you

[static plinth]

Can anyone corroborate that Gloamgown's recharge delay is unmodifiable?

[atomic halo]

it reads like it is modifiable

[static plinth]

Yeah, ive seen from a few sources that its likely bugged in that it cant be

[uncut trout]

Cuz that cluster is looking decent

[atomic halo]

generally glancing blows isnt worth it unless you have mods that say "xyz on block"

does that cluster have that

[static plinth]

Gloamgown makes you restore what, 200% of your ES a second?

[atomic halo]

although it is buffed from poe1 by not actually increasing overall damage taken

so it's probably fine to take it

[uncut trout]

Nah, no on blocks

But maybe just the 10 percent from the two nodes before it tho

[mortal swift]

anybody have any creative ideas to apply blind for impending doom to utilize? As far as I can figure out none of the "cast on" archetypes work with impending doom anymore

[still rock]

wait does eternal life on lich prevent extraction support sacrifice or does that count as a spell cost

[mortal swift]

it works

[still rock]

pog

my spark lich mana stacker is a go

[mortal swift]

or at the very least you can cast, dont know if +dmg happens

[still rock]

ah it does say on the support "in exchange"

[mortal swift]

it doesnt

lol

oh yellow text doezx

but blue text is like Gain X, sacrifice Y

[still rock]

ill try it out

[rapid star]

been using this for my poisonburst arrow, but think is falling behind in high tier maps
Any suggestions of what an upgrade bow should look like? prob more than 250 avg damage and 1.4 attack spped?

[wide marlin]

I am running this cold twister build on Huntress. Aoe dmg is great but I struggle with bosses. What skills can I swap to to make bosses easier?

[still rock]

get a better weapon and put salvo on twister over accel

accel after salvo

salvo + barrage combo is the only reason twister works well imo

[wide marlin]

I am currently using accel + persistence. I'll try changing.

[still rock]

trust, salvo is nuts

if u want something to work off of

thats mine

still consdering deliberation over retreat but i feel like im proccing retreat every 8 sec anyways outside of weird boss mechanics or scary rares

im using storm lance for lightning exposure, youd obviously use something else for cold expo

[wide marlin]

hmm. what does exposure mean? I might sound stupid cause its my first time playing.

[still rock]

np

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Exposure

just realized im not using strip away on storm lance lel

oop

[wide marlin]

I am using frost bolt for twisters, will this lv 3 gem do the trick then?

[still rock]

ALSO - important note to twister whirling slash build:

you must focus on three whirling and one twister rotation

its very strict because if you mess up then you have unempowered twisters flying around that fuck up the rotation

never cast a twister outside of the three whirling slash

[still rock]

im not sure what cold twister folks are using for expo but frost bomb is easy and requires no crit

[wide marlin]

requires no crit?

[still rock]

cold exposure support requires that it crits to inflict cold exposure

whereas frost bomb just does it (its a spell)

[muted charm]

is there a good site for visualizing gem set ups?

[wide marlin]

I see. from what I read in my build, I need to get as much crit hit chance nodes as possible to snapshot crit for twisters, so maybe in later game I can just use the skill gem.

[still rock]

youll also want to use frostbolt to get the chilled ground effect for your twisters if you arent already using it or have another chilled ground effect

[still rock]

yeah, twister is very flexible, im not running huntress and im running lightning instead of cold so my setup will be different

but persistence, salvo, accel will be used in all twister setups

[still rock]

path of building app

[fast wind]

I need help with my ritualist as I don't know how to build

[still rock]

the rotation is very important though, cannot stress enough

[dawn spire]

Hold alt and click on any underlined keyword to read more about what it does

[still rock]

generally it goes
whirling slash x3
barrage
twister

or

barrage
whirling slash x3
twister

[wide marlin]

I opened up my build screenshot, they are indeed using salvo on third slot for twister. I accidently used my extra slot item on whirling slash. The skills looked so similar. dumb me.

[still rock]

np theyre p common

[muted charm]

is toxic growth still ass

or is it finall usable?

[fast wind]

Would the boots that drop shocked ground be good for that build?

[still rock]

and positioning for bosses is somewhat important, you want to have the boss inetween you and a wall if possible, sometimes its not so you just go off your context of the boss arena

[still rock]

yes

[wide marlin]

welp salvo is tier 3. I guess I'll have to wait till I unlock that gem.

[still rock]

oh yeah if youre not there yet dont stress, just focus on the combo and making lots of twisters

[fast wind]

Hmmm

And this just a question but would bleed be viable on ritualist? Or is it best on amazon?

[still rock]

doesnt matter

imo bleed is buttcheeks but it would be equivalent for either imo

ritualist mostly going +ring for flat damage rings

[fast wind]

Hmm the blood hunt one shot seemed pretty neat but idk anymore

[still rock]

yeah maybe theres something there with blood hunt - i havent explored it tbf

im just using a tame beast with lightning trail and focusing on shock + lightning dmg

twisters dont hit hard enough to utilize ailments well

[fast wind]

It just stores up the blood loss from bleed and using high crit to nuke bosses

I really want an area to freely test nodes but that be too much to ask from the Big Gs

[still rock]

atleast the cost to respec is negligible

[muted charm]

does anyone know if jumping shots move you far enough away to use momentum?

[fast wind]

Not so much as I like to test things a lot but it's while im leveling where it's either gold or regals from items

It should

Disengage moves you far enough to proc momen with rake

[muted charm]

specifically talking the bow jumps

[fast wind]

It might put you a meter away from where it shoots

I used escape shot on my hunter a lot and I didn't go far

[muted charm]

yeah

it's just wahts 2 meters

[static plinth]

Is there anything to Spire of Ire Amazon, since then you can proc 2 infusion types with each charge consumed?

[still rock]

can the charge infusions be converted with original sin

[still rock]

cause if so, then maybe and scale chaos and wither

[static plinth]

yeah

They have 100% damage convert as part of the skill so they can then be affected by OS

[still rock]

def something to explore there

[shut basalt]

Is there a way to stack Wither to 10? I only get ~6 with Withering Presence + Persistence and Dark Effigy + Withering Touch

[still rock]

and can take spaghetti event horizon cluster cause not using chao skill

despair+hex and poison % should be enough for DE withering touch to maintain wither stacks as well

without having to use withering presence

[static plinth]

Chaos Infusion is, though its triggered so i think its safe

[still rock]

yeah i dont think that would trigger event horizon since you arent "using" it i think

i think i think

[still rock]

how many dots do you have for DE?

DE used to be enough by itself lol

[shut basalt]

4 poisons, contagion, decaying hex

not using ED, this is a crit chaos bolt bloodmage build

[still rock]

that should be enough id imagine

do you have DE quality

[shut basalt]

doesnt seem to be

I only get 6

hmm no

[still rock]

try that and see

[shut basalt]

ah, it adds wither on hit

nice

[still rock]

i wonder if running overwhelming presence would help as well

for withering touch to inflict easier

[static plinth]

just fyi multiple poisons doesnt make it shoot more

[shut basalt]

doesnt seem worth it just for that

[still rock]

if you can

[shut basalt]

ah

[still rock]

yeah its just one

but still 3 dots should be plenty, no? idk i havent played chao in 0.2

[static plinth]

And its only like 1000 dps per poison cuz vile effusion is tiny

[atomic halo]

rathpith + crown of eyes works, right? pob doesnt seem to agree, which is concerning.

[shut basalt]

I get to 42% inc chaos dmg taken at most

[atomic halo]

it works in poe1, and i dont see any change in wording

[static plinth]

Im gonna make a PoB, what skill do you think

[still rock]

probably need to test in game

[static plinth]

Im lowkey thinking default spear throw

[still rock]

if youre using OS then lightning spear

[static plinth]

Never

[atomic halo]

i also see 7 users on poe2.ninja, which is good, that's it not zero

[still rock]

are there any other 100% convert spear skills?

[atomic halo]

but only 7/713 crown of eyes users, which seems low

also why does bloodmage have bleed nodes

[static plinth]

Not that are as convenient as LS

[atomic halo]

when all the bleed is on the exact opposite side of the tree

[static plinth]

because god is cruel

[atomic halo]

how on god's green earth am i supposed to scale that

[still rock]

problem with LS is getting frenzies with chao dmg

probably sniper mark CoC and go crit

oh yeah amazon anyways, should be ez

[static plinth]

What do people normally do

Combat Frenzy?

[still rock]

that or combat frenzy or both

im just doing combat frenzy and its enough but LS seems more frenzy hungry than barrage twister

does it use just one or all for LS? idr

oh, just one

then you should be fine

[static plinth]

Just one

I dont really fw any of the thrown spear skills tbh

[still rock]

i dont see why you couldnt do it with primal strike

eh actually you want the shock

[static plinth]

Infusions are only for projectiles

[still rock]

oh til

[static plinth]

yeah its lame

Damn Elemental Sundering is built different

[still rock]

looks fun tbh

with radient grief

[static plinth]

Yeah

Do you have any options for shock with that

Wake of Destruction i guess?

[still rock]

does shocked ground count

[static plinth]

It would since its a shock

It wouldnt affect corpses though i think

[still rock]

tame beast with lightning trail monster mod and coursing current support

[static plinth]

Wait holy shit do supports affect monster mods?

but also that only affects hits

[still rock]

well if it does work (i havent tested, just looking at poninja) then probably lightning storm mod

wish you could see monster mods on there

[static plinth]

Too bad it looks for Freeze not Chill

Also apparently weapon swap with Ritual Sacrifice lets you get upwards of 1 minute on the mods

With the +50% skill duration shield

[static plinth]

Dance With Death would probably be a decent call, since the skill is slow as sin, right?

Oh wait maybe Invoker since he can make shocked ground

[still rock]

https://poe2.ninja/builds/dawn/character/fuger021-4350/不夠糞的昇華我可是不玩的唷?i=0&search=skills%3DElemental%2BSundering%26items%3DRadiant%2BGrief

this is the coolest toon ive found on poeninja

no clue how effective it is though

[static plinth]

Spire? Peak

Why though

Oh because then like 90% of it's damage is chaos

[still rock]

uses frozen locus for chilled ground

[static plinth]

3k phys max hit 💀

[static plinth]

Elemental Sundering doesnt care about chill

It looks for freeze

[still rock]

oh its freeze?

rip

[static plinth]

Yeah its lame

Sunsplinter makes a ton of sense here

[still rock]

hand of choo and freezing mark

yeah no clue how this build even plays but probably can piece it together

[static plinth]

Oh so thats how the shield works

[still rock]

didnt realize there was that many rolls

[static plinth]

level 34, pretty chunky

I definitely see why they would go spire

[still egret]

how do u get glacial lance to chain off terrain with new update? just passive nodes on tree?

[static plinth]

Huh, since these attacks function via 100% conversion Trinity is goated here right

[still rock]

ricochet support as well

[still rock]

yeah i havent figured trinity out yet but i see ppl using it

with sundering

[static plinth]

Trinity is a lot harder here since you lose resonance every time you hit a specific element

[still egret]

oh shit u right

[static plinth]

I think the only way to get true full trinity is having an equal amount of % damage gained as of all the types

Orb of Storms procs whenever you use Elemental Sundering, what if we use that for shocks?

[austere zinc]

does increased defences on shields also affect +Max HP?

[shut basalt]

no

defenses is always ar/ev/es

[static plinth]

Execrate + Conduction is 1000% chance to shock which is pretty good i think

wait

no 400%

[still rock]

as long as it hits decently

[static plinth]

does not

[still rock]

cause ailment threshold is pretty severe for small hits

but tame beast shocked ground should be plenty right

[static plinth]

Idk i dont trust them not to die

[still rock]

they do

but they still shock

im using a quadrilla with meat shield enormity ele army and loyalty and its up a decent amt as long as its not burning ground map

then ggwp burning ground wins

[static plinth]

...its a nova

I wonder what Astral Projection does to it

[brisk leaf]

Anyone know if powertreads unique boots will give the bonus crit damage to falling thunder? I assume it doesn't and the buff falls off for projectiles?

[static plinth]

Probably nothing useful

[still rock]

managing this is more aids than i wouldve thought - need a filter for amt of affixes

[still rock]

there are a few nova effects that are on the monster

so projection would be mostly useless

[static plinth]

nah i meant elemental sundering

[still rock]

thats a good q honestly idk

not sure if the skill snapshots dmg on consumption of charges or not

[static plinth]

I would assume it snapshots

[still rock]

i dont have any precedence to go off of so id trust someone else on that lol

[brisk leaf]

If it does snapshot, then "bonuses when consuming power charges" would not work?

[still rock]

that wouldnt affect the boots

either way

[brisk leaf]

I know, but I'm trying to understand how damage is applied, cause it can't be that both of those work

[still rock]

well the boots dont care about consumption, just if you have them or not, so the question is whether or not the game checks for your crit damage per power charge on skill use before they get consumed

and thats what i dont know

😛

[chilly trellis]

Do attack damage nodes also affect bleed damage? Or does only physical damage affect it?

[still rock]

technically they do because your hit is higher so the bleed does more damage - also phys % doesnt affect the actual bleed, just the hit

[brisk leaf]

Hmm, maybe it can be both

[still rock]

even though bleed does physical damage, increases to physical damage doesnt affect the bleed itself, only the hit in which bleed draws the damage from

[still rock]

yeah, and only if it counts for your power charge amt before the consumption

to confirm whether or not it does youd have to test and thatd be rough