2┃build-planning

[wise delta]

sounds good, thanks

[fiery wave]

i see

[magic snow]

All good homie

[fiery wave]

is it easy for you to stay on low life?

[magic snow]

I use Cowards Legacy sorry

Reserve 25% life

I am always lowlife

basically

[fair widget]

always chaos res unless you plan to go CI

[magic snow]

well said

[fair widget]

I hope they let you change it in the future though -me who went ci after taking chaos res

[fiery wave]

now thats some cool tech

[mellow wigeon]

i'm not sure were to locate the final number

[fiery wave]

i havent seen that one yet

[magic snow]

I'm that tech guy

[fiery wave]

so maybe the twig crown is something to vaal for profit

[wet mango]

it's on your skill

[fiery wave]

i have dropped a lot of duplicates but i dont know what people use

[wet mango]

but unless your weapon has flat crit, you're looking at like a 10% crit chance

[wise delta]

whats CI?

[wet mango]

which isn't really that much

[fair widget]

Chaos inoculation, sets your life to 1 but immune to chaos dmg

[magic snow]

a keystone that makes you go to 1 life but get immunity to chaos dmg

what he said

[wise delta]

oh, never heard of that before

but prob not

[wise delta]

but what about

like the other 3

resistances?

[fair widget]

you deal with them normally

[fiery wave]

ideally youre maxed

[wise delta]

with 1 health?

[magic snow]

exactly

[fair widget]

you go for an energy shield build

[magic snow]

oh

[wise delta]

oh

[magic snow]

Yes

[wise delta]

i see

that makes sense

MoM is not part of that right?

[fair widget]

and es is very strong in poe2 compared to pure life builds

it can be

[wise delta]

ah

i see

[magic snow]

We will probably get an armor rework in the future

hopefully

[fair widget]

since mom in poe 2 lets you take dmg from mana before life

[fiery wave]

yeah tehy gotta do something about armor

[fair widget]

so you could go CI + MOM and stack mana

[fiery wave]

i feel like they should bake guard generation into armor

[magic snow]

https://tenor.com/view/curse-you-dinkleberg-the-fairly-odd-parents-dad-mr-turner-angry-gif-15375777

[mellow wigeon]

13.2

[magic snow]

They should just do something

[fair widget]

didnt read about armor but saw all the videos popping up, whats happening with it?

[magic snow]

Like armor is worse than in poe1

[mellow wigeon]

Does that mean i'm wasting passive points on crit hit chance?

[vagrant imp]

armour is literally using an old formula from poe1, they can just buff it to the version in current poe1 and t hat would be a good enough placeholder until they make some deeper skilltree changes

[magic snow]

where armor is balanced around an aura skill

[fiery wave]

@fair widget you die if you use armor LUL

[magic snow]

like jesus christ

[fair widget]

wut

[fiery wave]

i mean i only played this demon witch

[fair widget]

oh i see

[fiery wave]

the way the curve adjusts the effectiveness of armor vs high damage hits makes you squishy

they need to flatten the curve

but i think they should give it overshield too

[magic snow]

I like the crushing hit "mechanic"

its just

[wise delta]

so is CI considered strongest build in the game or is there multiple options for MoM that are equivalent?

[magic snow]

Determination isn't in the game, so

[fiery wave]

basically the bigger the hit the less you defend against

[magic snow]

The armor system doesn't work

Because of that

basically

[fiery wave]

yup

especially it doesnt make sense fantasy or idea wise

people see "armor", i go big armor, i can stand in the thick of it

but then they just get whooped

and make some nice posts

[magic snow]

big true

[atomic halo]

in the thick of it

[vagrant imp]

I mean you can stand in the middle of a bunch of small mobs with armor even in its current state

[fair widget]

strongest depend on what the full build is but its just a nice option since it lets you ignore chaos damage and getting chaos res in endgame, you can go MoM with CI depending on what you're trying to do

[fiery wave]

so i agree that if i pick warrior and stack armor i should be tanky but whats actually tanky is that demon form lady with 12k ES

[magic snow]

KEKW

[quiet nova]

Can you refund all passives at once? Seems like a pretty useful quality of life feature that should be in the game lol

[magic snow]

I'm level 78 i think on my demon

[fiery wave]

anyway they have plenty of ways to adress it

[wise delta]

ah i see

[magic snow]

very suboptimal gear

minus res

[fiery wave]

minus res 😮

[magic snow]

8k ES because of ghost feast or whatever

[fair widget]

ghost feast is op

[fiery wave]

i basically maxed res all the time because i heard its so important

[quiet nova]

can you refund all passives at once?

[ashen shell]

shields make u tanky esp when you play warbringer

[magic snow]

You need res

For sure

[fair widget]

it is

[magic snow]

But demon form just doesn't care right now

Its too good.

[atomic halo]

no

[fiery wave]

yeah the mobility is very good

i basically only died when i learned about breach and delirium or to stutter and ritual

some one shots

[ashen shell]

75% chance to not take damage is effectively 4x ehp tho

[fiery wave]

but ever since i put grim feast on after like 200h xD

i cant die

[magic snow]

I mean i don't actually have minus res tho, it's like

[ashen shell]

aside from dots ofc

[fiery wave]

im constantly on 12k overshield

[magic snow]

30 fire 20 cold

Rest is good

but still

[fiery wave]

yeah i have 76/76/76/75 and 7.5k base shield with feast

and the dog

that tanks 20%

[wet mango]

i mean, it's up to you, but it's probably notthat great for the investment you put in

[magic snow]

yeah sounds good

That's what you want

[fiery wave]

yeah so my gameplay is just dodge spamming

[fair widget]

its crazy how in poe1, getting more than 10k es is like either you're playing a specific build or have really good gear, in poe 2 its just a standard tree for top side

[fiery wave]

and casting flameblast i 1.17 (casting solar orb is almost slower)

[magic snow]

Dodge on demon is crazy man hahaha

[fiery wave]

vs bosses its a drag but youre so mobile it doesnt matter

[vagrant imp]

Grim Feast, 30 spirit XDD

[fiery wave]

you just have to press the button a lot

i did t2 orloth just before was another slugfest

[fair widget]

grim feast, es nodes are like twice as strong

[mellow wigeon]

is there a difference between adding just crit hit chance & crit hit chance to attacks?

[fiery wave]

i bet they nerf feast to 60

[fair widget]

one only works with attacks

[fiery wave]

at the very least

[vagrant imp]

Wouldn't be enough

Overshield has to go

[thorny token]

more like 3 times as strong, highest es node in poe1 is like what 18%, i dont even remember

[fiery wave]

but then i can die again

[thorny token]

here you have 60% inc es notable lul

[devout gorge]

does anyone know how fucking poison works with hexblast

[vagrant imp]

Having instant speed ES recovery is already a big boon.

[mellow wigeon]

is it added to total crit hit chance when looking at a skill?

[white patio]

Does anyone know if the bonuses provided by timeless Kalgur notables (Int/str/dex for es/armour/evade) are doubled by Gemling?

[fiery wave]

i feel they nerf some es nodes, feast effectiveness too

i dont know about evasion is it any good?

is any class using mixed defensesß

nothing with mixed defenses ever sold out of my stash

[magic snow]

Here is a quick clip

[fair widget]

no, crits in poe are based off a formula of "base crit chance * (1.00+increased crit hit chance)

[thorny token]

eva do not rly need nerfs no

any eva builds that are actually busted are just abusing es on top

[thorny token]

as eva makes grim feast way stronger as well

(or avoidance in general really)

[fiery wave]

what do you guys think about switching ascendencies

[alpine summit]

has anyone tried or know of a build of blood mage + crossbow?

[fiery wave]

i would love to switch to bloodmag and try a crit build

[magic snow]

hell nah tbh

[fair widget]

should be added into game when its out

[magic snow]

I feel like its still a RPG

[fair widget]

its in poe1, no reason to not be in poe2

[thorny token]

preventing ppl from switching ascendancies was definitely weird decision

[magic snow]

Your character makes choices

[fair widget]

its not a traditional rpg

its an arpg

[lone wave]

Man, I'm trying to get the the trade site to show me scepters that have no ally/minion modifier, and apparantly that means they have to cost multiple divines

[magic snow]

yes, but like

eh

[vagrant imp]

Evasion is good, but not broken

[thorny token]

you just completed random 5 rooms for it its not that deep

lul

[fiery wave]

idk the trade market has been really weird

[ashen shell]

def should let us switch ascendancy but we should have to do trial or smth

[fiery wave]

a lot of stuff is at 1 div but never sells

[magic snow]

sure

go do it again

on another character

not that hard

[fiery wave]

its just a lot of time

[magic snow]

lul

[lone wave]

They don't want you getting a character to endgame then just respeccing between different builds at endgame state.
They want you playing each seperate build through full progression process.

[ashen shell]

nah fuck that

[magic snow]

Have some attachments to your accomplishments and choices

[fair widget]

most people just dont know the value of stuff, put at 1 div and leave it there or cant be bothered

[fiery wave]

so why does evrey ascendency have multiple builds :>

[magic snow]

Is all i am saying

[thorny token]

ok dont respec your ascendancy nodes then or tree

have someattachment 🙂

you made a choice already

[ashen shell]

i played both Titan and warbringer leveling them was the fuckin same

[fiery wave]

i keep lowering pretty good stuff repeatedly and it only really starts selling at around 9ex

[magic snow]

you are fun at parties.

bruh

[thorny token]

well you started it so

with the relevel argument

[fair widget]

then that's just how much those stuff actually are

[magic snow]

i started what exactly lol?

[lone wave]

I mean, we're talking about scepters with no minion/ally mods.
I expected to spend 1 ex.

[fiery wave]

i think maybe its partly the trading overlay

[magic snow]

you and all that "not that deep talk"

sure bro

[fair widget]

you might have a weird restriction in how you filtered your search

[fiery wave]

if you click too many mods it will go 3 ex 5ex 1div

[vagrant imp]

What's the downside to ascendancy swapping? Just some ethereal concept of roleplaying that doesn't apply to a game like this. It isn't Baldur's Gate it is PoE.

[magic snow]

yap more

[fiery wave]

because your combination of choices is too nieche

and if eel many people will just bet on the save side and put it at 1 div

[atomic halo]

to make the choice of ascendancy more meaningful.

[lone wave]

my filtering is that I set a "not" restriction and inserted every ally/minion mod, then started putting in the other mods so it would show me items with all 6 affixes revealed

[fiery wave]

there were some days were i sold plenty of maps i think i sold like 150ex of maps

[thorny token]

theres no downside

[magic snow]

I just feel like if you can swap everything on a character at all times you end of playing the same character all the time

[thorny token]

if ppl want lore reasons just run the trial again and thats it for changing the choice, just how it was in poe1

[magic snow]

The magic of poe is creating new builds

[astral gale]

Why. I cant see charged staff in my skill tabs

[magic snow]

I don't think that is so bad

[fair widget]

feel free to send your trade search link

[vagrant imp]

People do that anyways, people league start same build every 3-4 months in poe1, a lot of people.

[magic snow]

They sure do

How much fun are they having playing the same character again and again? Idk

[fiery wave]

i mean if you want an item with exact 6 affixes you will pay 1div+

[fair widget]

in poe 1, different league, fresh start, always a fun grind

[vagrant imp]

Probably a lot, or else why would they do it. Why are you assigning your idea of fun to them lol

[fair widget]

no reason for it to be different in poe2

[lone wave]

but its a scepter with no ally mods lol, I didn't imagine there'd exactly be many people who want them

[fiery wave]

i would definitely play the game more if i could respec

[cursive maple]

Just dropped a divine, what should I get to improve my build?

[fiery wave]

because i like trying shit and i dont like doing things i alredy did repeatedly

[fair widget]

just hella rare

[magic snow]

PoE2 just seems to be pushing for a slower game and I really don't think its that bad

[vagrant imp]

Like idc if they make swapping ascendancy cost 25k gold per level, but you should be able to do it.

[fiery wave]

i have like 3.3 million gold

rofl

[gaunt urchin]

Does anyone know if the Minion Pact support affects Essence Drain's DoT part of the damage or just the projectile?

[fiery wave]

at some point in the endgame you get multiple 100k passively per hour

[vagrant imp]

Getting locked into a mistake you made as an uneducated player has nothing to do with slow or fast. It's just punishing and a noob player isn't going to be ok with rerolling, many of them are opposed or non-understanding of the league system and resetting so often.

[fiery wave]

i respeced for like 400k today and 2h later i had it back

[fair widget]

slower game is fine, but quality of life should still be there like being able to respec ascendancies, or change your campaign selectable bonuses

[vagrant imp]

Morally opposed to gambling?

[fair widget]

again, its a qol that existed in poe1, no reason to get rid of it in poe2

[pearl sluice]

Hey guys, I'm doing a spellblade witch, and so far im at level 59 and is doing good, I'm planning to end onto something like this, it'll work?

[thorny token]

being able to change ascendancy has nothing to do with pushing for slower game or not

[fiery wave]

do the gambling items scale?

there is no gambling vendor at the hideout

[atomic halo]

it's a sign of ggg being ambitious

[thorny token]

also idk if they are even trying to when temporalis builds are faster than poe1 builds atm

lul

[atomic halo]

same ambition they showed with making trials mandatory

[thorny token]

their unique design is actually kinda insae

even for poe1 standards

they are all broken

[fiery wave]

im gambling with the excavation items which actually is pretty good

[astral gale]

I have equipped charged staff but I cant see that in skill tab to control it to consume charges why?

[vagrant imp]

I don't think you can get ilvl 82 stuff from her, but Alva in Ziggurat Refuge has given me some pretty good jewellery

[magic snow]

I understand the campaign, I really don't think its a problem with acendencies tho

I understand why people want it

[fiery wave]

@vagrant imp jewels or rings/amulets

[magic snow]

I just don't mind either way

[fiery wave]

if she has jewels i will go gamble 1million tomorrow

[vagrant imp]

rings/amulets/belts, jewels are only random drops/sekhema

[fiery wave]

oke

[lone wave]

is that just the url or is there a share button on here somewhere

[fiery wave]

man i still need that fourth ascendency but i dont think its even that much of a use

[fair widget]

just the url with all your stuff selected

[fiery wave]

i would love to use the demon fire stuff but its a lot of work for not a lot of payoff

[thorny token]

its just ggg classic, making new stuff as annoying as possible and then changing it later

[vagrant imp]

I mean if you need jewels and ascendancy you should efinitely run sekhema lol

[thorny token]

happens every league in poe1

happened in poe2 already

[vagrant imp]

if you can kill pinnacle bosses you will clear it

[fiery wave]

better to make it the most annoying first

if you make it too easy and havew to make it harder

youll never hear the end of it

[fair widget]

yeah but they made it too annoying

[delicate flower]

for spark sorc, do we maximize pierce on jewels? or is there a softcap we try to hit

the guide i was following used to say 50% via jewels but that bit is gone now for some reason without any reasoning in the changelog

[thorny token]

its very easy to get tired of that every 3-4 months them doing same stuff over and over and then fixing it but yea i agree, for some stuff

[vagrant imp]

It's jsut because people get real mad when you take stuff away, but it's EA so I think they're allowed to do so right now.

[fiery wave]

i can see that

[cursive maple]

What's the rune that gives chaos resist?

[vagrant imp]

So hopefully they kill MF altogether 😎

[thorny token]

yea highly doubt mf will survive EA

[cursive maple]

ty

[fair widget]

it will, probably just get nerfed to be less impactful

[vagrant imp]

I mean it WILL get changed, but I don't know if it will get killed.

[fair widget]

then we all suffer together from being lootless

[thorny token]

another one of weird ggg things completely forget how problems were solved in past

[vagrant imp]

They seem really stubborn to keep it around.

[thorny token]

abd just do it again

lul

[wraith egret]

no need for pierce get the chain and call it a day

pop mana tempest if you want to pop a group

[fair widget]

they do be d2 fans in and out

[thorny token]

they were happy to just straight up delete currency conversion and quantity from poe1

im sure they arent as stubborn as you would think in this area

[delicate flower]

oh would it be okay to ask for the tree that you're using?

[wraith egret]

my tree is funky bc im testing stuff

[thorny token]

i assume they will at minimum delete the currency upgrades

then it wont be as bad

[atomic halo]

the currency conversion getting added back is absoluely insane

[vagrant imp]

I'm just not so sure because they chose to make it a prefix AND a suffix in poe2 which seems so weird, the applying to currency and all that is another thing, but they obviously have some love for the stat.

[fair widget]

honestly they just need to buff the default loot drop for the average non mf users and it'll be ok

[icy granite]

yo does any1 know if lvl 23 archmage is 10%

b4 i dump 5 div into a 20 spirit gem for nothin

[atomic halo]

that one actually has me stunned, that they got it so right in settlers and didnt just follow that

[wraith egret]

feel like its there bc juicing is kinda bad atm

[tiny sapphire]

Question on Eldritch battery ..Example if I have 1000 ES …and 1000 mana
If I get EB …why didn’t I flat out get 2000 mana n 0 ES ? But something like 1500 mana only ?

[thorny token]

i mean poe1 also has suffix and prefix rarities pretty sure, and its still useful stat for ssf and for rest it might be filler mod at worst

[fair widget]

willing to bet that a lot of stuff in EA was already there pre settlers and hasnt been updated or changed

[thorny token]

and filler mods are part of the item deign anyway

so wouldnt even be so weird

[quiet nova]

What're some good support gems to go with Blink to keep it up perpetually?

[vagrant imp]

I highly disagree, loot pacing is good for everything we've been shown and what they seemingly want the game to be (Aside from breach.)

[wraith egret]

base es before increases is added to mana

[kindred nova]

Hello I somehow unchecked my withering presence for both my weapon sets and it won't let me re-apply them?

[thorny token]

did not worked in poe1 wont work here either

[kindred nova]

See at the bottom it's marked in red? can someone please help me >.<

[fair widget]

agree to disagree but having no reasonable loot drops from t1 to t5 maps after finishing acts isnt what id consider fun for the average player

[quiet nova]

What're some good support gems to go with Blink to keep it up perpetually?

[tiny sapphire]

Anyway to see base ES?

[thorny token]

or well it kinda did worked after they deleted also quant from the game lul

eventually

[wraith egret]

add up your items lol

[vagrant imp]

The issue with that to me is not loot drops or pacing, it's the lack of being able to fill in your gaps and smoothly upgrade your gear as you get/craft it. No crafting bench/no rune removal really sucks for that.

[fair widget]

that's also part of the problem, its a mix of that and just the lack of drops you get to try and slam a decent upgrade

[tiny sapphire]

So those passive skill that add to ES percentage doesn’t count ? N basically wasted if I use EB?

[thorny token]

oh btw now that i see you typing @soft lake you were looking for poison builds before right, i have some new techs :d

[lone wave]

here's my take on mf.
I can't afford to buy any gear with mf because I have no currency because none is dropping because I don't have any gear with mf.

[vagrant imp]

Like my warbringer is level 92 and rocking two empty sockets because I know I will need them if I swap a piece out so I'm basically just missing 14 chaos res for no reason other than I can't change my runes

[wraith egret]

unless you use everlasting gaze yes

[thorny token]

43M damage snipe pathfinder is probs the funniest one

[atomic halo]

i mean its not like that doesnt apply for everything else

mf just makes it worse / more noticable

[thorny token]

oh actually with that +3 jewel it might be even more

[lone wave]

yes, I also sorely lack any actual good gear because it doesn't drop and i can't buy it because I have no currency or things that will sell because they don't drop because I don't have mf

[tiny sapphire]

Icic ..so to confirm …base ES is all ES given by gear only affected ?

[thorny token]

50m snipe pathfinder:d

[wraith egret]

Yes, things can only be converted once in Poe2 and cannot be increased once converted

[soft lake]

That's definitely an option, it'd help a lot. I'm not sure how realistic getting bleed chance capped on your clearing skill is, even with that - I think the support gem needs to go on your single-target so it doesn't feel horrible. But yeah, the bleed passives in witch area + Sanguine Diviner + the support should be enough to be capped on one skill, at least

I've just put the spell bleed on the backburner for now. The fact that it seems so difficult to make it work does just make me want to do it even more (because I'm a masochist like that, ha), but I want to take the time to cook up some ideas for it and get some currency for it. And my poison crossbow pathfinder's feeling really nice so far so I'm just gonna stick with this for a while

[soft lake]

Ooh, what do you have?

[thorny token]

well bonestorm widhowhail is bascially the biggest thing

that makes poison builds rly strong

[tiny sapphire]

Thanks a lot

[soft lake]

Does it have enough base damage to be worth it?

[thorny token]

as it works like flat added

no i mean you just use the debuff

it adds 1k flat at levle 30

xd

[alpine summit]

has anyone tried blood mage with crossbow? i wanna know if its viable

idk how to plan a build either

[thorny token]

so you just consume it with whatever

[soft lake]

Ohhhh, interesting... I'll definitely be trying that out

[thorny token]

it works best with stuff like snipe and plasma blast from what i've tried so far, its very funny

[soft lake]

Right now my Plasma Blast just annihilates everything already, haha

[thorny token]

also if you can make high velo rounds work somehow

then thats also good

[soft lake]

What's your tree looking like at the moment? Especially in terms of defences

Are you evasion or eva/ES?

[thorny token]

eva/es

[fair widget]

what's your reasoning to run bloodmage with crossbow skills, its poe so anything can work if you really want to but probably difficult to make it work and not worth the effort

[thorny token]

dont rly see a reason to skip the trickster nodes ever

on rangers at least

[alpine summit]

its just that im already at 4th ascendancy and thought i could try something related to crit + crit dmg

[mystic shard]

how much armour base, can u have on a shield

[alpine summit]

or bleed

[soft lake]

I do think eva/ES seems ideal, but I kinda feel like I'm stretched for points already

[mystic shard]

cause max im seeing is 200 on market

[thorny token]

for snipe my planned tree was basically this

[soft lake]

The issue I have is that I really want Lightning Rod for the lucky lightning. But I've not figured out if it's worth the investment yet

[thorny token]

and on deadeye crossbow just this

[lone wave]

With Subterfuge Mask (on a ranger), would you choose to use a int helm for more energy shield and passive conversion, or a dex-int helm for access to a % evasion modifier?

[thorny token]

rod is just too many points

worst case i just annoint eventually

dont think its worth pathing to tho

[soft lake]

Yeah, anointing is probably the way to go

I think maybe pathing down to grab Wasting might be worth it

You get a jewel, and Catalysis is really good

Plus poison duration on the smalls

[delicate flower]

trying to figure out how to spend my orbs rn, would spending 3 divs for a pjo be worth it to maximize support gem slots on spark?

or is it better to find gear pieces

[soft lake]

But yeah, I think Lightning Rod is probably the best anoint

[pearl sluice]

How many passive points can I count on to achieve on a character?

[thorny token]

hmm

yea wasting is def interesting

i was looking fr more poison duration for snipe anyway

[soft lake]

Yeah, duration for Snipe/Plasma Blast is obviously super good for uptime

[vagrant imp]

124 is the max without pathfinder ascendancy, but more realistically 104 is very reachable at level 80.

[thorny token]

for snipe its not even uptime you have single shot and then either logout or boss dies xd

frenzy generation so annoying otherwise

[pearl sluice]

Thanks for the answer!

[thorny token]

im basically generating with corrosion + break endurance + resonance

its pretty cute

but doesnt work well against bosses

[mystic shard]

people saying to get 90% armour u need 10x the dmg.

But shit can hit like 20-30k.

So that's 200,000 or 300,000 armour.

is that correct?

how does that make sense, that shit is mathetimatically impossible from what im seeing.

[fair widget]

armour is armour dmg is dmg what are you asking lol

[thorny token]

there isnt many things that can hit you for 20k-30k phys i bet

[soft lake]

Is Pin an option, maybe? There's a support for frenzy generation regarding that, right

[fair widget]

also yeah numbers in poe 2 are way smaller

[mystic shard]

what levle

[soft lake]

Plus it would be nice to pin bosses to give you time to charge

[mystic shard]

are u two?

[thorny token]

like those numbers were already very hig in poe1 and almost nothing did that much

[jade root]

Armor is pretty bad from what I’ve seen so far, I recommend against it

[thorny token]

yea its an option i considered but then i would have to use something other than gas for clear

and that anothe roption is pretty much just spiral volley

and that one also eats frenzies so its annoying

[mystic shard]

ok so maybe people talking shit.

I saw a lategame dude ge thit for 5700.

People TOLD me he had 75% all resists, except armour.

Dno what the attack was, maybe it was physical.

[thorny token]

well armour works only against phys so ele resists do nothing against it

so the amount of reses he had is irrelevant

[mystic shard]

lvl u and js?

[soft lake]

Dunno if you saw but ThatsRealNeato put out a frenzy-based Deadeye with a lot of pin stuff that had some interesting tech. He was using Spiral Volley, though, but there might be something worth yoinking there

A lot of his builds have really interesting tech

[mystic shard]

yes I know, i just dno if it was an elemental attack or physical

[thorny token]

i did not but its pretty likely he saw it in the setup i've got the bonestorm idea from originally

[mystic shard]

can u two jsut tell me ur level so i know ur expertise

its ok ifur lower

i just need knowledge

and data

[vagrant imp]

Anecdotally, my warbringer armor is at 78% and I've never gotten one-shot by a phys hit even on crit mod map/damage map, it has to be extra damage as element or something of the sort to kill me.

[mystic shard]

im on HC, I cant make mistakes

[thorny token]

my PF is 82, my other 2 accs are in acts as im playing with my brother, i have 2k hours in poe1, whats your point

[mystic shard]

so ur 82 on this game?

[fair widget]

lol im lvl 93 and at t15 maps also level is irrelevant when i have like 5k hours in poe1

[thorny token]

yes i got bored and played with my brother instead

[mystic shard]

whast highest youve been hit by a single attack?

[jade root]

Just run energy shield and grim scythe if you don’t wanna die

[mystic shard]

im not judging u

relax

[jade root]

16k energy shield will soak anything

[mystic shard]

stop being so defensive, I just need accurate info

[fair widget]

idk dont really pay attention to it cause i dont take dmg that often

[mystic shard]

whats highest uve been hit by a single attack

[fair widget]

but if you're asking for hc

then dont focus on armor

that's the best advice everyone will give you

[thorny token]

i def got one shot before, but if you are trying to collect data

[fair widget]

just dont tank hits

[thorny token]

monster data re literally on poedb

[vagrant imp]

There are no damage numbers or death recap, how would you know what the biggest hit you've taken is lol

[thorny token]

including how much damage they do

[mystic shard]

sigh

[fair widget]

yeah lol

[mystic shard]

can u j sut giv eme a rough ballpark

about how m uch dmg

youve taken

at 82

in a second

[wraith egret]

grim feast needs to be like 20% overshield not 100%

[mystic shard]

vs say one creature

[fair widget]

can't tell you cause when i get 1 shotted its most likely multiple hits

[vagrant imp]

too much.

[jade root]

Grim feast should be 50% and armor and evasion should be buffed

[soft lake]

There's no way to really know how much damage something did if it one-shot you

[fair widget]

not 1 creature

[mystic shard]

asking death

[thorny token]

i mean my answer is same

[vagrant imp]

You will not become immortal on an armor build in poe2. You need to run safe map mods.

[mystic shard]

ok so

10000 dmg from allt hese monsters ina second?

800

2300?

[fair widget]

honestly, no idea

[mystic shard]

what is ur max hp and energy shield

death

[fair widget]

max es when mapping?

[mystic shard]

and what are ur resistances

[fair widget]

12k with ci

capped on all lol do you even play this game at endgame

[thorny token]

2k life 2.3k es, capped reses, we are discussing armour so again resists do not matter

[fair widget]

and yeah

[mystic shard]

and ur armour?

[fair widget]

resist doesnt matter

listen lmao

[thorny token]

i dont have any armour

lul

[mystic shard]

ok

[fair widget]

same, no armor not running armor build

[wraith egret]

what is this convo

[thorny token]

idk

[fair widget]

no idea

[wraith egret]

[mystic shard]

so 4.3k dmg in a second, with max resists, 0 armour

[fair widget]

they're just wack

[thorny token]

also damage per second

does not matter

in armour calcs

what matters is single hit

[fair widget]

they dont want to listen explanation on armor so

[thorny token]

and you can check the single hit on poedb

as i said 2 times before

[mystic shard]

yeah no shit, shame Ic ant get accurate info from anyone

[jade root]

It’s someone who hasn’t played PoE before demanding answers that aren’t relevant to the game

[mystic shard]

ive checked everywhre i cant find this stuff online

its nto comprehensive enough yet

[fair widget]

people are telling you resist doesnt matter for armor but you refuse to listen

[vagrant imp]

You will die man, there's your answer

Now go play

[thorny token]

ok lets say trialmaster does a lot of phys, bosses always do way more single hits than regular mobs

so lets check poedb

[daring gorge]

Is the Monk Tempest Bell considered a Totem?

[vagrant imp]

No, it's an attack skill

[fair widget]

nope

[daring gorge]

TY!

[thorny token]

he does basically no damage just very high overwhelm

nowhere close to 20-30k

[fair widget]

also tempest bell is so overtuned lol

[pale cloak]

anyone playing fubgun's LA? I am not doing the ES variant and I am struggling big time with red maps. Ive got capped res + acrobatics and am at 60% evasion with acrobatics. I have a 300 dps dualstring bow as well

[jade root]

There’s a lot of stuff overtuned and undertuned, balance will take a year or two to settle out

[halcyon solar]

can you change the annointment on a corrupted amulet?

[wraith egret]

Buff StormWeaver Buff ES Buff Archmage Buff Rarity

[thorny token]

https://poe2db.tw/us/The_Trialmaster#TheTrialmasterTheTrialmaster_ but just for reference, heres trialmaster

[fair widget]

yeah but by then we'll have new overtuned skills, such is poe life cycle

[wraith egret]

not right now

[jade root]

Well we only have like half a game

It’s bound to happen

[halcyon solar]

thanks

[thorny token]

on that note i think trialmaster or any boss really

should not have 30% overwhelm

thats actually kinda stupid lul

[jade root]

I’m more irritated with how weak melee is

[fair widget]

classic poe

[jade root]

Overall, of course there’s outliers

[vagrant imp]

poe3 will fix melee

[thorny token]

lol

[jade root]

Oh I know, been playing since 2013

[fair widget]

we made melee worse, life worse, es better but you're melee so you're bottom side of tree (unless monk)

same ish

[thorny token]

melee big slam class

worst defenses

ggg logic

[jade root]

Evasion and armor got done dirty

[thorny token]

i think eva is very good

[jade root]

ES was made a little strong but nothing OP

[fair widget]

i got so lucky going with monk and going es

[thorny token]

you just have to combine it with es

:d

[thorny token]

i went PF because i did not expecred for the flask nodes to be complete garbage

slight miscalculation on my side

lul

[jade root]

Everyone thinks it’s OP because alternatives are weak but in a system where 1 death kills your map the defensive options shouldn’t be as lackluster as they are

[wraith egret]

glad i started stormweaver blind ended up in a good spot

[static plinth]

Is it possible to show my gear via profile?

[wraith egret]

dont think there's an api for it yet

[strong burrow]

Why do a lot of people not use the suffix adds # to _ skills? Does it just not make that much of an impact?

[thorny token]

but i clicked ES even on my PF

[vagrant imp]

No ES is blatantly OP

[thorny token]

becauseit would be insane not to

[static plinth]

So do i just have to screenshot each piece?

[vagrant imp]

1 death map or not, lol

[thorny token]

and i just wont play anything that cant click es

[fair widget]

i think people saying its op probably also stems from poe1 experience since ES in poe1 isnt that easy to obtain

[thorny token]

because theres no reason to

[halcyon solar]

can i somehow filter the search results on the trade site to NOT be corrupted?

[static plinth]

Adds what to what skills. Levels to Spells? Damage to Attacks?

[jade root]

ES is a little strong but it’s more than armor and evasion are weak

[vagrant imp]

EVA is not weak

[thorny token]

also armour and evasion are secondary defense

[strong burrow]

Levels to spell skills or melee skills or projectile skills

[thorny token]

ES isnt

[jade root]

Oh let me guess, if you mix it with ES

[thorny token]

ES life and now also mana are primary defenses

[jade root]

100% this

[fair widget]

yeah the difference is that ES is part of your primary defense

[static plinth]

Levels to spells are extremely strong and your main form of scaling, levels to non-spells im not sure about, but i believe they're also strong. The problem is they make your mana costs shoot through the ceiling, so they may be hard to sustain

[thorny token]

well no what i mean is you cant replace ES with eva and thats fine you are supposed to layer stuff

[vagrant imp]

Evasion doesn't work by itself, so obviously, yes. You need some sort of hitpool lol.

[thorny token]

thats what secondary defenses are for

armour needs max resists to go with it

[strong burrow]

Right that as my main problem

[jade root]

Then why do evasion only bases exist?

[thorny token]

eva needs stuff that prevents one shots

like kintsugi

or es

idk what sthe nme of kintsugi in poe2

but we have it

[fair widget]

because all bases are supposed to be for secondary defenses

[static plinth]

Barrowguard or whatever it's called

[fair widget]

a fat supposed

[jade root]

Just saying evasion and armor are weak in their current states

[lone wave]

evasion only builds exist mainly out of two reasons:
stubbornness, and some players are ok with glass cannon builds that get them one shot sometimes

[jade root]

They should be able to function as primary defenses but they can’t

[static plinth]

Barrow Dweller

[thorny token]

they tried to balance ES like secondary defense for whateer reason on tree and here we are lul

[vagrant imp]

What? How can you say the game is unfinished, it will be balanced in time blabla and then counter me by saying pure EVA is weak when it's supposed to be.

[alpine summit]

can anyone explain to me how crit chance works on a crossbow? i wanna build a blood mage with a crossbow

[jade root]

So everyone rags on Es for being OP because it’s the only primary defense that can function

[thorny token]

armour cant by definition its just defense against phys

eva also doesnt work against dots and never will

[fair widget]

well, i think its moreso that es was never designed to be a primary defense but here we are

[soft lake]

That's never going to be the case - especially with evasion. It's entropy-based, so you will get hit, and you need to be able to survive that hit

[thorny token]

primary defense needs to work all the time

[jade root]

Then they should fix the life pools for evasion and armor

[thorny token]

well yea obviously

[jade root]

Or provide some other compensation

[fair widget]

yeah they need to add life back on tree

[thorny token]

they dont need to add life if they dont want to

[fair widget]

no idea why there's no life nodes on tree in poe2 decision making

[thorny token]

but they need to provide some mitigation

instead

[fair widget]

or that

[thorny token]

because removing life and not adding back any defense on tree

is kinda nuts

[soft lake]

I'm not against not having life on the tree, personally. POE1 builds were largely just pathing to all the life nodes and picking up whatever damage you could that was nearby

[delicate flower]

if im running ~50% piercing on my emerald jewels as spark sorc, is it worth anointing my amulet with piercing shot for the remaining 50% or are there other options?

[lone wave]

my main is a ranger, and I have to keep reminding myself armor is not how I protect myself from being one shot when evasion fails lol

[soft lake]

Obviously life builds need some love, though

[fair widget]

well, its either that or they heavily tune life on gear to be inline with es builds

[vagrant imp]

they can't do that, you would just play hybrid

[jade root]

Yeah the pathing to life did get kind of old.

[thorny token]

if you are ranger you are lucky as at least you can path to ES

[fair widget]

hence, no real solution

[thorny token]

poor mercs and warriors

dont get shit

lul

[static plinth]

Warriors can path up to Templar cant they

Or is there not much AR/ES there

[fair widget]

i mean they can

[thorny token]

kinda but there arent as stron nodes

as in monk area

or witch area

[fair widget]

but its not a solution to the "balance" of the game

[vagrant imp]

I mean there are a couple really good EVA/Armour nodes, the issue is armour calc and there are like 2 good pure armour notables (Crit defense and chest piece boost.)

[wraith egret]

just add the scion life wheel to poe 2 and the game is fixed

[soft lake]

Armour + ES isn't that synergistic in POE2 yet anyway. Block + ES is better, but that's quite a lot of pathing

[thorny token]

well the issue is also that you still die to ele

even when you grab armour and eva

even if armour did no sucked

[lone wave]

is it funny that there's a notable to convert all your evasion to armor

[thorny token]

because theres like 1 and half max res cluster on tree

for no reason

[fair widget]

everytime you think you're useless, remember that notable exists

[thorny token]

that keystone was rly good in poe1 at least :d

[analog spoke]

is there a catalyst that boost crit dmg\chance???

[thorny token]

because there eva was trash

and armour had molten shell

and molten shell was op for good while

[vagrant imp]

iron reflexes is actually just not even good anymore, not because armor is weak, but you just can't double dip, so why would you not just build armor normally if it was good

[fair widget]

yeah we're also missing half the skills in the game too

[thorny token]

well we've seen armour reservation alraedy

e.g scavenged plating

so theres not a lot of hope there

[proper blaze]

Hi people, is anyone running ember fusilade late game and if so what are best support gems to go with it

[thorny token]

lul

[lone wave]

Speaking of evasion, and building that up, with Subterfuge Mask, would you choose to use a int helm for more energy shield and passive conversion, or a dex-int helm for access to a % evasion modifier?

[soft lake]

Well it gives more flexibility in gearing, and is nice for builds that want to path near evasion stuff on the tree. The keystone itself isn't inherently bad, even without double dipping, it's just that armour isn't great right now

[thorny token]

for subterfuge always pure es helm

if you can it will be best

[vagrant imp]

I would agree, but dex is a bad stat, so that doesn't really hold true, you'd rather just take strength past the absolute min dex reqs. Also with how conversion works you can't take any of the evasion nodes, they don't do anything with IR

[soft lake]

Oh right, yeah, the increased evasion does nothing at all now right, that makes sense

Yeah, less ideal then

[vagrant imp]

Yeah if you could take evasion nodes for some niche interactions or something then I could see it very rarely, but right now unless I'm missing something idk a single build that would want IR.

[thorny token]

right side build that wants to use transcendence chest :d

which is what i wanted to do but the armour is too trash

[vagrant imp]

but tbf in poe1 it's the opposite, there's no reason not to click IR on duelist/marauder unless it's out of your way.

[lone wave]

If I was to see a purpose to the evasion -> armor conversion, it would be a merc who's doing a "full armour" build but has added those nodes that give both armor and evasion.

[soft lake]

Oh yeah, @thorny token, do you know how Low Tolerance functions in POE2? It says 60% increased effect of poison, rather than magnitude, which I think is the only source of poison effect. Do you know if that's a multiplier?

[thorny token]

yea which is better bceause ir is maed for those classes so they should want it

also poor other deathbeam

rip

[soft lake]

oops

They saw nothing

Serves them right for taking your name

[thorny token]

also did not noticed that low tolereance effect, that is interesting

[vagrant imp]

Well that's the point, the evasion portion of those nodes do not apply. When it comes to converting a stat you can only scale the stat that it is converted INTO, which in this case is armour, so you need strictly armour nodes.

[thorny token]

and yea i would assume thts just straight up 60% more poison damage for that first poison

[soft lake]

That was my assumption too

[thorny token]

idk if thats even enough tho ngl

to make 1 poison worth

as its still quite a big diference from low tol stacking in poe1 :d

[lone wave]

how do you mean? those nodes would give/increase evasion (and as a merc you may still be wearing armor + evasion gear), then the increased evasion would become armor

[soft lake]

Well I'm doing 3 poisons at the moment, so it's still an average of 20% more for me if it is a multi

[thorny token]

i guess thats true but also only if the 3 poisons actually run out before your next application

[vagrant imp]

Nope, conversion in PoE does not remember the scaling for the pre-conversion stat. It would take your baseline evasion, convert it, then scale based on your %armor

[soft lake]

Yeah, that's true

[abstract mortar]

how do i scale unarmed dmg? flat dmg?

[fair widget]

Yeah in poe 2, its conversion 1st then increase / decrease etc

[thorny token]

oh btw what clear skill are you even using with plasma poison? i wanted to try it for a bit with posion but the clear skills all just sucked, especially when i cant scattershot explo shot

[soft lake]

I've got Galvanic Shards at the moment

With Fork it feels really nice

[thorny token]

i guess if you rely on the hit damage part tad more for clear sounds fine

[vagrant imp]

if you have 2000 evasion and 100% armor 100% evasion that evasion will become 2000 armor and then get scaled by the armor to 4000 armor, the %increased evasion doesn't matter. Which is why on Eldritch Battery MoM builds you scale mana% rather than ES%. Same idea.

[soft lake]

I'm not quite sure how the shotgunning affects poison chance but it seems like it maybe rolls the poison chance per fragment but takes the damage of the shotgun

[woeful sundial]

can anyone explain how rising tempest actually works? it sounds insane. if my bow/quiver has cold and fire on it, and i'm using lightning attacks, am i doing 36% more damage??

[thorny token]

i tried to clear with gas nades for a bit it almost worked but nades are soo anoying

[thorny token]

the element type is the skill element type

[vagrant imp]

the type of damage you deal does not matter for rising tempest, you must use skills tagged with different elements to proc it.

[thorny token]

not type of damage the skill is dealing

[lone wave]

well, then, its for the ability to wear armor + evasion gear and change the evasion on the gear to more armor, after having taken merc nodes that gives dex or strenth + dex instead of being pure strength. And there is technically 2 nodes that give flat + evasion and armor instead of a %.

[thorny token]

every elemental skill has tag for element

[soft lake]

Galvanic Shards has the line "multiple fragments hitting a target simultaneously will combine their damage into a single hit" so it's essentially a ~120% damage effectiveness skill with fantastic coverage (especially with Fork - it's so good). It feels really nice for clear so far - better than gas nades for sure

[lone wave]

not that any of this matters while armor's too bad to want

[woeful sundial]

ohhh ok. thanks. are there any bow builds that can abuse that?

[thorny token]

yea but the simultaneusly part basically only happens in point blank range no

[lament elk]

are concoction skills considered unarmed skills?

[thorny token]

yes

[soft lake]

Yeah, but white monsters die without being point blank anyway

[spring atlas]

For quivers: Is it typically better to go for % increase to bow skills than flat damage increases? Like from phys, cold, or lightning?

[soft lake]

At least so far. I'm not that far into maps yet

[thorny token]

i guess i will have to try but i was def worried about damage with it

but my deadeye isnt leveled enough yet and i would do plasma poison on deadeye anyway i think

[soft lake]

It definitely feels a lot nicer than it looks on paper

[lone wave]

to think my Darkness monk that was plaing to go MoM plus EB to protect the darkness bar was also planning to use evastion + shield nodes

[vagrant imp]

Yeah u need to scale mana, not es

[winter vortex]

why does my demon form go to 30 spirit from my normal 228? is it bugged?

[lone wave]

You do not get weapons while transformed.

[vagrant imp]

Demon form unequips your weapon afaik. SO no more sceptre

[winter vortex]

so.. how do I get spirit?

[jagged thunder]

how does wildshard work with unleash or echo. is it:

• if first occurrence proc wildshard, the unleash/echo also proc wildshard?
• each occurrence have their own 20% wildshard chance?
• repeats don't work with wildshards, only the first occurrence

[lone wave]

Minion Infernalist and Demon Infernalist are two completely separate, non meshing builds

You do not run minions with demon form.

[vagrant imp]

Demon form is more for a normal spellcaster, yeah

[soft lake]

Well you're missing 70 from quests if it drops you to 30

You get 100 spirit from the campaign

[void barn]

Anyone playing poison concoction

[vagrant imp]

But if you really want you get 100 baseline from the campaign, and then chest+amulet can roll spirit from affixes. Helmet can get spirit from a corruption.

[lone wave]

Trying to use Minions and Demon Form is like a Titan with Crushing Blows trying to use Boneshatter, or a Merc with all the extra weapon set points only using one weapon.

[winter vortex]

I see. thanks

[glossy iris]

Ok so I'm struggling to build my monk rn
Because I feel it's all over the place.

Especially because I used my first vii rank skill gem to engrave siphoning strike

[analog spoke]

is there a catalyst that boost crit dmg\chance??

[sage mirage]

i only got 2 sockets to spare, what do i cap?

[alpine summit]

how does this works? is it +1% added to base crit chance of the weapon

[soft lake]

Fire and cold

[alpine summit]

or its just +1% hit chance in general

[glossy iris]

I'm just stuck tbh

[soft lake]

Essentially the same as +1% crit to the weapon. Yeah. It adds to your base crit, which is then multiplied by increases to crit chance

[alpine summit]

ty!

[analog spoke]

double socket 5% all res, that will bring you cap on both...

[lament elk]

does reduced flask charge usage affect concoction skills? also does it round up or down?

[soft lake]

I can't answer the first question at all, and I can't definitively answer the second, but generally it's safe to assume that POE rounds against the player's favour

[thorny token]

dont think reduced flask charges used ever worked in poe1 at leastfor concoctions

[gritty kayak]

ive been going by deathbeam since 2009

[soft lake]

Sorry for accidentally tagging you!

[gritty kayak]

its all good buddy

[lunar tree]

Does anyone have an amazing Sorcerer lightning build?

[glossy iris]

What is going on

[distant cypress]

is attack speed good on grenadier mercs? or is it a waste of nodes

[gritty kayak]

also hasnt been 1st time somone has tagged me instead of the other deathbeam and they seem more important in this community, so i adjusted my name to prevent that

[glossy iris]

I really don't know who can help me tbh
I just will wait for the jade gang to come

[grand tartan]

does stacking poison increase exploison damage on detonate?

[soft lake]

That's good thinking! Yeah, other deathbeam's pretty active and knowledgeable and has created build guides and some community tool stuff so he gets tagged a fair amount

[sage mirage]

i did not know this existed cheers

[thorny token]

ppl are just bad at tagging ppl smh

[soft lake]

Guilty

[vagrant imp]

Mechanical misplay on Discord

Happens

[marsh seal]

Anyone know why monks don't take this node for lightning invoker builds I've seen?
+2 charges and 60% crit damage bonus for 4 skill points?? Seems pretty good

[vagrant imp]

I've seen some take it. It's definitely valid to do so if your crit is high enough.

[marsh seal]

Yeah I'm like.. That bubble is on the main path and seems kinda insane.

Seems like a no brainer 4 skill points.

[frosty arrow]

Okay, is it just me or stun threshold seems like the most throwaway stat. I feel like by the time you'd benefit from it from all the buildup you'd simply flatline from raw damage that's causing it

[acoustic oxide]

Would I chest piece with 856 evasion, 33% fire res, 34% cold res, 20% chaos res and 1 socket be worth 5 exalts?

[vagrant imp]

It's silly to invest in it, but a little bit of coincidental stun thresh on the tree goes a long way.

[median kraken]

That's okay, no life in unfortunate though

[vagrant imp]

For CI it's very important though

[acoustic oxide]

Is life that big of deal?

[glossy iris]

So the thing is I'm at the quest where I am supposed to rebuild the horn

But I am getting my ass beat by the first horde

I am feeling like I messed up in some way

As I feel my monk is all over the place even though I wanted him to specialize in lightning

I'm still at act 2

I can't repeat this statement again

I feel like when I cry for help I get told "don't ask to ask" because I already asked but noone bothered to answer

[soft lake]

Depends if you like living really

[acoustic oxide]

I have 616 rn

[frosty arrow]

How quickly does the stun buildup "bar" decays to zero though. Game is kind of stingy explaining that part

[vagrant imp]

No clue XD

All I know is I noticed the difference having it and not

[soft lake]

You might be better asking in #2┃new-player-in-campaign-help, I think. You may get some help here but this is largely a channel for people to plan out full builds

[frosty arrow]

So far I have not died to a stun. If I'm being bursted down so hard I just see my health disappear and I'm dead

[glossy iris]

I see.

[spring atlas]

For quivers: Is it typically better to go for % increase to bow skills than flat damage increases? Like from phys, cold, or lightning?

[quiet sphinx]

what other skills aside from unbound forces is good to annoint to the amulet for lightning merc?

[random raven]

anyone know off hand if % increased Damage with warcries is a bonus for dealing damage directly with warcries or damage while they are active?

[trail wedge]

How do i make my despair bigger?

[calm orchid]

Any smart peoples in here

Got a theory craft question

[eternal grotto]

Lads, a question. If I invest in a fire pen node, does that apply to my totems fire damage?

[wet mango]

conversion happens before modifiers #1321237459987726366 message

[dreamy portal]

im leveling a stat-stacking gemling, lvl 25 with storm wave rn. How to sustain mana cost?

[wet mango]

check if the totem has a line for fire penetration

on the details view

[sonic blade]

If I’m using Doryani’s what would you guys recommend I rune in it?

[eternal grotto]

Indeed it does, ty 🙂

[sonic blade]

Do I go ES or res?

[thorny token]

always cap res first

[random sonnet]

trying, its hard tho

missing lil bit more res to get to 90%

[golden jackal]

does anyone know how to get the rarity of items found in sockets?

[strange tulip]

soul cores

they are mad expensive tho

[golden jackal]

how do i farm them?

[restive dirge]

Would advise going 90F/90C/85L/75Chaos or 85/85/80/75 Chaos but get 2% hp?

or anyone with advice

[strange tulip]

the trial of chaos

[restive dirge]

thinking about Elemental pen mod

[strange tulip]

you get 3 cores pr run

[golden jackal]

i see okay ill give it a shot

thank you

[thorny token]

i mean the resists will be way better for defense

[restive dirge]

thats what I was thinking, not worry about Elemental penetration

[hazy locust]

do divs reroll jewel radius?

[woeful sundial]

so with a dual string bow that i feel like the stats looks better, but the game says dps is lower than this one i just picked up. does it do any accounting for the 2 projectiles?

or should i like basically double the dps in my head and then thats it

[fair widget]

depending on the skill you use, not many skills will hit the same target with both projectiles

[woeful sundial]

but then if it does it basically is doubles?

[fair widget]

you can think of it that way

but only a couple skills behave like that

[woeful sundial]

hm. lightning rod?

[wet mango]

? why wouldn't you worry about ele pen

[wet mango]

the dps listed is per proj. most skills will not shotgun so on single target the listed # is what you get

[eternal raptor]

is it worth it to go ci with ranger?
my life total is only 1300 rn and i'm in red maps already

[wet mango]

aoes will shotgun

[sinful meteor]

@wet mango i add 2 more ex

XDDDDDDDD

RNG top 😄

[scarlet turret]

if you corrupt a skill gem, are you unable to level it up with a higher blank skill gem?

[eternal raptor]

corrupted items cant change at all rn

[restive dirge]

I am, thats why I am coming for advice xD

[wet mango]

you can level them but that's the only thing

[lone wave]

cast on ignite definitely not working with incinerate the way I wanted it to

[vapid spruce]

This isn't a build, so hopefully I'm not breaking any rules. Just don't know where to ask. This just dropped for me. Is this hella good? Should I just use my glassblowers on this and use it for the rest of end game?

[vocal path]

Tell me, is this the optimal atlas tree for farming rifts under tower buffs? or can something be changed here? I always run desecrated cards 15+

[eternal raptor]

there are better ones
if a flask already recovers 80%+ of your life in 1 use its not worth it but baubles arent expensive anyway

[plain cloud]

I found multiple Shield based nodes on the Ranger side of the tree, is there some weird Shield based Ranger from POE1 or what's up with those nodes ?

[lone wave]

Huntress.

[feral citrus]

heres a question. if i convert all my damage to cold from lightning. Does that mean my passive perks that have "lightning penetration" doesnt actually apply?

[plain cloud]

Oh cool, is that the upcoming class on full release, it uses a shield ? 😮

[lone wave]

All classes use shields if you want them to.

[fickle thistle]

How much elemental penetration do you need in endgame?

[frail swan]

The final node on the Qstaff passives gives 30% defenses with "staffs" but then says 30% stun, daze and freeze with Qstaffs. Will the defenses work with qstaffs?

[frank barn]

What anoints for amulet are recommended for spark sorceress?

[frail swan]

I feel like maybe I'm asking stupid questions.. Just want to know why it makes the specification

[feral citrus]

is this true?

[fair widget]

well they still work, but conversion happens before increases

so your build wont work

[torn quiver]

your lightning damage should be calc prior to cold conversion but not the pen

[peak pecan]

Are bows that fire an additional arrow worth it giving up some damage or do you can’t straight count the dmg 2x because u shoot 2 arrows instead of one? playing Lightning arrow

[feral citrus]

heres the thing tho that i just dont understand

before

[trail rivet]

Any warrior skill gem recommendations?

[feral citrus]

after

[torn quiver]

pen is not applied in tooltip

your lightning damage increases work fine

[feral citrus]

so is this "fake" damage?

[torn quiver]

you need cold pen

[feral citrus]

gotcha okay

so the passives and gear that increase lightning damage is A-OK

[fair widget]

its complicated calculations

[feral citrus]

but the penetration i want is cold

[fair widget]

but yes you're fine other than the lightning pen

[torn quiver]

yes there might be a few niche increases that dont work

[feral citrus]

okay cool cool

[torn quiver]

from the passive tree

[fair widget]

also support gems if you're using lightning ones afaik

[feral citrus]

Dont need any particular help with the passive tree ill figure it out but this is currently what im working with

imma go through all my skill gems and nuke lightning pen ones

[torn quiver]

ive no idea which passives, its just any that increase lightning damage on hit due to say ailments

youd want to increase cold damage as the on hit damage is cold

[feral citrus]

wait so it stacks twice?

This shit is so confusing

Some people are saying "yeah the % increase in lightning damage stuff still applies" and some people are saying its not.

[torn quiver]

you convert all damage prior to hit to cold, you then do cold damage on hit. therefore any increases to lightning damage on hit due to ailments wouldnt increase it. I'm giving an example I cant remember if its actually a passive that would be an issue

[fair widget]

uh

from my understanding in poe 2

convert always happens 1st

so it'll convert your base dmg to cold before applying increase

tooltip might be wrong

[feral citrus]

Thats beyond confusing

[fair widget]

basically

[feral citrus]

Because tooltip increases based on the lightning passives i give 100% for sure

[fair widget]

tooltip might be wrong

[feral citrus]

but its actually lying to me

[fair widget]

i can't test rn cause im not home but yeah

[quaint prism]

fellow mercenaries, anybody know if there is any way to reduce the charge up time for rapid shot

[feral citrus]

i wish this game had a dummy i could whack

so i could test it

[fair widget]

everyone's just waiting for game to release so pob devs can go work on pob for this

[crude lake]

Need help from the monk players - i'm new to endgame, and i'm playing SSF (currently rocking the build from wudijo) however, I was not very lucky throughout campaign and did not drop anything good, really. Just reached maps now and I'm having a hard time surviving. Are there any changes I can make to passive tree to help boost my survivability? build im following https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/p56160mu

[fair widget]

if you have some es, best thing you can do is to put on grim harvest

it'll give you a lot more sustainable ehp since grim harvest is really strong atm, giving you es every other kill and also overflowing your es pool

[crude lake]

is grim harvest a skill or talent?

[fair widget]

spirit skill, dont need supports on it

if you need to remove something, temporarily take out herald of thunder

[crude lake]

I only found grim feast on the witch part

is that it?

[feral citrus]

also not to sure why my shock % went from 40 to 27

[fair widget]

oh yeah that one

[feral citrus]

thats also annoying

[fair widget]

sry wrong name

[crude lake]

cool, im a bit short of int for it, and cant really remove dex yet, but i will work torwards it

thanks for the advice

[keen spindle]

guys would this be better for my weapon than another iron rune?

[fair widget]

try to use a lower levl spirit gem, the effect isnt that big of a difference if your dps is ok to clear packs

oh but you're on ssf so that's kinda rough

you could maybe farm in a campaign area or something im not too sure what's the best way to go about that

[fair widget]

the phys is better since your phys dmg roll is higher

Wait actually

A little hard to say sry didnt notice that no added phys

[keen spindle]

wait does it not apply to the actual attack and not weapon?

[fair widget]

i may be wrong but im quite sure it applies to weapon

[crude lake]

found a ring witgh +9 int in my stash that allowed me to equip the grim feast, dropped harold of thunder like you said, already feels better. Thank you

[keen spindle]

i see, i think ill hold off for now till i confirm

[crude lake]

May i ask another question?

on the guide it goes chaluya, but i went invoker for rp reasons

how would you distribute the 4 points currently available to me?

considering my circunstances

[fair widget]

uh

most would go for the gain 10% as extra cold

and the one that gives spirit based off es and evasion but no spirit on gear

if the spirit node bricks your build atm, you can go elemental avatar 1st then respec later

you need to activate cast on shock, its a spirit skill, there'll be an icon that shows how much energy it has from shocks and it needs to hit 100 to cast

[lone wave]

I know there's the passive notable for getting 2 curses at once, is there a way to do 3?

[fair widget]

i think just doedre's damning

[keen spindle]

not sure how accurate this is but been asking ai bunch of questions bout the game and they been pretty accurate so far

[peak vigil]

Hey guys, I can’t seem to find any info about the breakpoint of how much Mana I need to be able to switch to Archmage, any Idea?
Also, what‘s the baseline for mana reg? (Before any increases)
Is it dependent on total mana?

[trail rivet]

I'm a warrior

But I'm using fire damage

[fair widget]

well afaik the phys one is definitely local since icestrike converts phys to cold and no one would socket phys if its global, just not sure bout the elemental one

[trail rivet]

Good idea or switch back to physical?

[fair widget]

presumably you're in acts, just play what you want and if you're struggling then ask in #2┃new-player-in-campaign-help

[trail rivet]

I'm in waystone level 4

[keen spindle]

oh i think i get it now, it just boost attack damage but not spells

[fair widget]

if that's the case then just play what you want to play unless you're struggling

[trail rivet]

That's what I figured

I'm doing alright, I might need to switch

[fair widget]

oh yeah im blind didnt read it properly

itsj ust elemental dmg with attacks

[trail rivet]

Dying faster now in waystone 4

It's probably my equipment

[keen spindle]

no worries, physical prolly better then as it applies to everything like buff and stuff for monk

[keen spindle]

but i think this will be better no?

[fair widget]

its moreso that you always want to maximise the formula

[keen spindle]

attack speed is nice personallyt

[fair widget]

and increasing your weapon's phys dmg tends to be a larger magnitude than the elemental damage with attacks even if same amount

[magic pier]

chat does this reduce the slow you get on zarokh's mechanic?

[fair widget]

since elemental damage with attacks is part of the generic "% increased damage" calculation

[lone wave]

1 default, 2 Whispers, is there a way to apply a third curse at once

[velvet cypress]

Anyone know that if I create a Shield Wall, then weapon swap....will the shield wall stay active? Like for instance swap to a 2h, then use a slam skill to explode the wall....and if the wall does stay active after the weapon swap will it use the added damage modifier from the armor on my shield still?

[fair widget]

doedre's damning

[trail rivet]

You need giants blood to wield both

[lone wave]

yesssss I must mix Painters gloves, Doedre'd daming, a cast on skill, and all 3 element curses

[velvet cypress]

1h + shield in first weapon set, 1× 2h in second weapon set. Asking if I cast shield wall, then swap, does the shield wall stay active on the ground?

[trail rivet]

Don't know

[peak vigil]

It should, atleast it does work that way for sigil of power on sorc

[pearl sluice]

nothing, stick with the iron rune

gz nice weapon

[thorny token]

@soft lake got the theoretical snipe setup to dot cap lmao

(as its over 3s)

[analog patrol]

Is there an app that I can use to plan my build with DPS calculations?

[wet mango]

not yet

[solemn wigeon]

any monk enjoyer herE?

[fair widget]

sure

[hybrid fern]

Hello what is op build for warior ?

[feral citrus]

okay so i figured something out

the COLD damage here, is basically my regular lightning damage that gets converted into cold via the ring. however, i was like why do i still have SO much lightning damage? Its my Archmage, which is completely unaffected by the ring. Which means, my gear still scales the archmage and so does my passives.

@fair widget

[fair widget]

ahh yes

archmage is fine

[feral citrus]

which is neat, because that means essentially i have two types of damage i can scale

[fair widget]

yep

[feral citrus]

glad i figured this shit out, i disabled archmage and my dps tool tip went from like 20.5k to 6k

like gawtdayumn

[fair widget]

yeah

so in your case you'd want to keep the lightning dmg

[pliant hearth]

sorry to ask this if it's infinite, but is there a solid place to get some basic builds?

[fair widget]

https://maxroll.gg/poe2

[still rock]

Not having ES in this game feels like absolute poopwater at t15 lmao

welcome to poe 4 years ago ig

[feral citrus]

now the only thing i need to do is figure out my survivability. despite having max resistences Im still getting rolled in tier 15 maps if theyre cracked out

[signal sierra]

hey does anyone know if hulking form is working as intended?

[fair widget]

grim feast if es

[river dune]

fubgun states: Mapping setup with 150 spirit: Herald of ice, herald of thunder, wind dancer and cast on freeze.

Just got a 50spirit neck but example cast on freeze requires 60 spirit

[signal sierra]

it seems like im only getting 20% increased on travel nodes

[torn quiver]

it doesnt increase travel nodes/the 5 attribute nodes

[fair widget]

30+30+30+60 if no supports that increase spirit cost

[feral citrus]

naw im MOM and EB

[river dune]

ah need to check gems then

[fair widget]

is your total 150? if so then check gems

[feral citrus]

which im loving the damage but damn, it makes my survivability a struggle bus

[fair widget]

oh yeah cause archmage

[feral citrus]

yee

[signal sierra]

thanks, kinda annoying because it explicitly says it does but i appreciate the confirmation

oh its just worded oddly

thanks for the help thought

[feral citrus]

as much as i really dont want to, i might have to start rolling with a shield

instead of a focus

all the damage in the world is great but if i get stunlocked to death or surrounded by enemies and i cant get out then what good is having 9999999 damage

[fair widget]

kill them before they kill you

the classic

[feral citrus]

ill need even more damage then

sweet lol

i wonder how possible it is to reach a 50k lightning warp

[hard flicker]

can I ask for suggestion on my passive tree? im lvl 84 and wathever im playing feels really good but no point seems to be that useful or strong anymore so idk where to go for the next 16 lvls

[frosty arrow]

You won't do another 16, realistically. Once it takes you days to gain a level you'll just decide it's time to main another character

[hard flicker]

it cant be that difficult as long as i dont die right, like at least 93 should be achievable like in poe 1