2┃build-planning

[pearl sierra]

Thank you so much man, been struggeling to figure this out

[wet mango]

wdym "as another class", I definitely go far into the warrior nodes as a merc but I'm still using xbow

[pearl sierra]

I heard the build got nerfed yea, but again Im brand new, so dont even know what a "meta" gem is 😄

[wet mango]

it's -20, not 20% reduced

so, flat

[wet mango]

gems that work with other gems

[thin narwhal]

Easy to get 10 stacks without losing HP. Uncapping it and making it feel good requires investment.

[atomic kindle]

yes you can deffinitly do it. are you going to do it with zero planning and without a specific vision no never

[tight birch]

Cast on Freeze is a Meta gem. "Meta" in the sense that you can add other skills into the support section and not only other supports.

[orchid torrent]

I feel like it's clear what as another class means. All classes have their own default skills and passives most associated with them.

[atomic kindle]

@orchid torrent but you gotta understand poe1 has been out for more than 10 years and poe2 tree is easier to navigate there are god gamers out there

[orchid torrent]

I mean I am trying to plan it and come up with a vision, but looking at it, it seems like to get to another class passives you have to take like 15 levels of +stat/semi-useless stuff to even get there

[pearl sierra]

Ah that makes sense. I saw that the build got nerfed so way less comets fall down from Cast on Freeze, if I have a second copy of comet on a normal keybind, and use it on CD, would less comets fall from CoF because of some limit?

[atomic kindle]

then you might need a different plan. you cant do everything in poe1 but you gotta hell of a lot more choice than D4 skill twig of more damage or more damage

[tight birch]

No the 2 comet skills do not affect each other. Just plan another skill for clearing white mobs.

[atomic kindle]

or if youre down to hop in call id love to try and help you out with it. theory crafting is fun as hell

[orchid torrent]

a different plan? from a general plan to try to reroll?

[kind willow]

Has anyone tested how much DPS 'Crescendo' is actually adding to something like Ice Strike?

[wet mango]

you need the stats anyway

[atomic kindle]

said might really depends what your trying to do. most anything in the game is useable its really just a q for endgame viability. if youre looking for that youre gunna need more and more optimized builds

[orchid torrent]

I'm trying to figure out SOMETHING to do beside just taking the basic shit (e.g. +cold dmg as an ice sorc)

[wet mango]

i do'nt really see why it wouldn't work. I go very close to warrior start for example. So you could easily play a warrior version of my build instead. My ascendancy doesn't give me anything specific to make build work, it's just generic damage and clear

[still bronze]

Can anyone recommend a good website / tool for planning a build?

[atomic kindle]

sent dm

[livid hamlet]

For HC i would definitely go for Chronomancer

Well on general

but both ascendancies have their strong points

what do you play ?

For archmage stormweaver is probably stronger

[atomic kindle]

HC chronomancer sounds bait. cool but a bit gimicy

[livid hamlet]

Slow, a shitload of recoup and a get out of jail free card

I don't think it's a bait

Well stormveawer might better than

grab the mana regen buff nodes

and shaper of winter

[valid palm]

Hm, isn't it then possible to make enemy's resistance negative?

[livid hamlet]

It is

but penetration happens last

[wise falcon]

Hi, i dont get an info on the wiki, it says that 100% start of energy shield regen = 1sec delay before recharge, so logicaly 50% = 2 sec , and 150 % = 0sec ? or is there a minimum /maximum ?

[livid hamlet]

and it can't put resist into negative

[valid palm]

Exposure is not penetration.

[wet mango]

for exposure (and curses?) yes

[livid hamlet]

Yes, and with exposure you can get enemy resists into negative

[valid palm]

So it makes it more valuable then.

[livid hamlet]

just remember that actuall mathematics makes putting resists into negative

less and less worth

with every point

[wet mango]

makes what more valuable?

[valid palm]

Ye, ye, don't need to remind me that, xd. I'm just thinking of how to balance stats out, is all.

[livid hamlet]

But yes, exposure is more valuablethen resists

[rough kelp]

do negates armour works aswell?

[signal junco]

Which Venom Draught is the smartest to choose for sorcerer? I feel like elemental ailment is best

[livid hamlet]

Warbringer can break armor into negative

as for how armor break interacts with vulnerability

[valid palm]

Exposure > Penetration.

[signal junco]

I feel like elemental ailment is best

[livid hamlet]

i'm not sure if anyone here tested it out

[rough kelp]

hard to test without a dummy or something

[livid hamlet]

that's why exposure is usually available from more situations things

while penetration tends to be permanent

[wet mango]

first off, there's some typo, it says 4s but the formula give 2s as base

[valid palm]

Yeah, it's conditional. But conditional also means you can rely on your skill to inflict it.

[wet mango]

yes of course

[valid palm]

Hence why I'm leaning more into it.

[wet mango]

rather, you have to rely on your skill to inflict it. rather thna just getting it from your passives/runes

[wild hemlock]

Do I go for the 30% increased elemental ailment threshold or 25% mana regen permanent buff? As an inferanlist witch

[valid palm]

Well, yeah. But you'll trigger it randomly at some point anyway xd.

[livid hamlet]

If you can get some near resistance

without traveling to far

it's worth to take it

since it will be usefull during general mapping

[valid palm]

Res? I'm not going for any resistances.

[livid hamlet]

penetration i mean

[wet mango]

also, i don't know where you're getting nubmers for "logically, 50% = ...."

[valid palm]

Oh, I got all the pen already.

[wet mango]

that's not "logically" to me

[valid palm]

I'm currently getting rid of it, xd.

[wet mango]

note that it's increases/decreases to speed, not time

[valid palm]

Still at 57% cold pen and 75% extra cold exposure.

[wet mango]

wdym trigger it?

either you put it on a skill to apply exposure specifically (which takes brain power/cast time), or you use one of the support gems which... takes the slot of a support gem

[wet mango]

yeah i don't think your pen is doing anything

[valid palm]

Yeah, considering the exposure is at 95% lol.

[livid hamlet]

Imagine if your recharge was a car that drives 100 per second and it needs to get a 100 for ES to start recharging.

So now if you will increase the recharge speed by lets say 50%, it will reach 100 in 100/(100 * (1 + 50%) ) = 100/150 = 0.66 seconds.
Which means your ES recharge will start after 0.66 seconds

[wintry knoll]

"brain power" lol poe players I swear

[atomic pier]

Is this a bug or intended to not work? Pain offering counts as a minion, when trying to put the minion support gem Last Gasp into Pain offering skill gen, it won't allow it? It does say support skills that create persistent minions so maybe that's it.

[livid hamlet]

Persistent minion

you even hightlighted that

These are your skellies

basically minions that respawn on their won

[valid palm]

Speaking of terms, what's the difference between mana regen rate and mana recovery rate?

[livid hamlet]

pain offering isn't a persistent minion

[atomic pier]

MMmmm....don't think it's worth trying to turn offerings into persistant minions somehow even I could just for 4-6 extra seconds when I can spam it anyway

ok thanks

[livid hamlet]

Mana regen is how much you passively regen, and mana recovery is total of how much you recover via any means, so regen, recoup, leech ( maybe even flasks not sure )

[frail sedge]

Would there be any way to mix up chaos dots and melee hits in a build?

[valid palm]

Mhm, got it. Also, how does mana regenerate? Is the regen different to in/out of combat or is it always the same, even when you are using skills?

[green minnow]

can a lightning monk pls dm me i need some advice

[valid palm]

As in, is mana regen lowered when I use skills?

[livid hamlet]

It's always the same, you have some passive speed that you can scale

[frail sedge]

Any notable or sth that would fit well with that?

[wild hemlock]

Do I go for the 30% increased elemental ailment threshold or 25% mana regen permanent buff? As an infernalist witch

[livid hamlet]

chrono doesn't support any specific spells

it can be used a lot of ways

Byron is using it as a grenadier

to spawn shitload of grenades with CD tweaking

[wet mango]

?

[rough kelp]

wait so ele pen isnt flat?

[livid hamlet]

and managing themana costs

[gentle jolt]

is there a way to increase your spirit other than gears? idk maybe gem sockets or anything else?

[livid hamlet]

it's flat

[simple gust]

whats more important while choosing crossbow? I Hit elemental dmg and i am mercenay so should i check dps or physical dmg or only lightning dmg buff?

[livid hamlet]

gear, you get it from acts, and there are some passives ( like Invoker giving you spirit )

[wintry knoll]

?

[frail sedge]

Physical>all for merc afaik

[livid hamlet]

Overall local phys is the most important

[wet mango]

correct, it's not a persistent minion (it has a duration)

[livid hamlet]

but it's harder to get full conversion right now as well

[wet mango]

idk what you mean by "poe players I swear"

[simple gust]

is this item worth it?

[wet mango]

When you have 9 things to think about, the 10th is a real cost

[wintry knoll]

too much brain power

[simple gust]

i mean does item increase my dmg on bosses cuz i hit 5k on cruel bosses

[wet mango]

of course if you are doing a 1 button build then the brain power increase is negligible

but it depends on context

[livid hamlet]

i mean manually casting a skill, does time and most importantly attention, which is what he meant

[wet mango]

base damage (not nec. phys)

[livid hamlet]

like you need to think about how and when to use it

[livid hamlet]

yeah albeit there are some skills that don't fully convert i think

[urban peak]

Hello everyone. I'm starting the game and I made a post on build help, I have a question if anyone can help me I will be very grateful.
#1317082896309288960

[livid hamlet]

so i think flat elemental might be more important now

or at least competitive

[wet mango]

that's not entirely true. if you have 1-50 phys and 1-150 lightning that's the same as 1-200 phys for e.g. galvanic shot (in fact probably better to have 1-150 lightning)

[frail sedge]

Ofc i meant 1 on 1

[wet mango]

whiuch makes the flat elemental dmg even better

[livid hamlet]

Yeah, 100% conversion to elemental is no longer a cakewalk

so i think flat elemental might be competitive

[simple gust]

Which hits more what do you think ? ( I am using lightning build )

[livid hamlet]

unless you get it from the skill of course

Both of these feel mid tbh

[frail sedge]

Any ideas to mix up chaos dots build with something that's not minions??

[simple gust]

then i dont need to buy anything?

[wet mango]

yeah like my frostbomb has 0.5s cast time, infinite range, is very easy to throw on boss every 8 seconds. In reality? I probalby have like 50% uptime only.

[gentle pumice]

hey, so is there any way to increase the rate that Supercharged Slam charges its stages?

I've tried testing with attack speed via support gems (comparing heavy swing vs martial tempo), and getting SKILL speed in the passive tree, but nothing seems to increase the actual charging time

[valid palm]

I got to the 95% overall cold exposure and still sitting at 45 cold pen. I guess if I am to play it around skill and inflicting cold exposure, then I can drop the pen even lower, since it basically doesn't do anything?

[signal junco]

Which Venom Draught did y'all pick

[gentle pumice]

faster attack speed / skill speed just seems to make me start and end charging faster, but it doesn't increase the rate at which i charge stages

[shell phoenix]

Idk I dont do dmg vs bosses with that build

[wet mango]

nothing has more than 95 cold exposure (in fact I don't think they even go to 95)

your pen is literally doing nothing

[valid palm]

That's what I'm saying.

[wet mango]

(also, how are you geting 95% exposure)

[livid hamlet]

i think not really

if you struggle vs Jahambradalataga what's his face

try gas grenades

and lightning res

[valid palm]

I am just realizing that I might have a wrong understanding of how the extra exposure works.

The 25% increased cold exposure means a multiplicative increase of the base number of 20%, not flat increase, I guess then?

[livid hamlet]

Yes

[valid palm]

Yeah, nvm then. I'm dumb.

[livid hamlet]

Not dumb, just unfamiliar with game language

it's okay, this game is quite complex in it's parlance

and it's been up not even a week

[rough kelp]

@livid hamlet if am going physical and use mana tempest to empower my skills and such should I take the lightning curse? since break armour already remove their res or should I equip the brutality supp gem? 35% more phys dmg no ele damage no chaos dmg?

[sterile stone]

the flat ones would be from the stormweaver +20%

[wet mango]

% increased effect vs +/- are different

[livid hamlet]

Brutality feels better than lightning here

[valid palm]

I'm pretty familiar when it comes to theory crafting and build making. But yeah, from game to game you always gotta figure out "What exactly do they mean by this wording?"

[livid hamlet]

unless you can scale lightning in any significant manner

[valid palm]

I know, hence why I asked about it.

[wet mango]

right, i'm just clarifying.

[valid palm]

I haven't played the first game, so PoE 2 is a fresh start for me.

[rough kelp]

but am getting 35% more dmg for the cost of no more ele dmg while mana tempest empower my spells for 60% of dmg done as lightning isnt it 60% more dmg? plus I can socket another support instead

[vapid storm]

What does evation rating mean, and how does it work with acrobatics? im new to ranger and wanna learn how to be tanky/not die

[livid hamlet]

1. Mana tempest is less reliable since it doesn't have 100% uptime
2. Gain as happens before increases so if you have increase physical damage it will scale the 35% more damage from brutality and not the extra lightning damage

[valid palm]

If an enemy is frozen, can it be chilled as well?

[livid hamlet]

Good question actually

I think maybe i don't know

But i think so

[valid palm]

I'm just looking at this node.

[livid hamlet]

but it;s like 55% vs 45%

[valid palm]

'Cause it's either 15% or 30%.

[livid hamlet]

Aren't you invoker ?

Don't have chilling ground ?

[valid palm]

I do, yes.

[wet mango]

yes. they're seprate ailments

[livid hamlet]

Well you will defo chill an enemy before freezing them

[grand jacinth]

Evasion rating is a chance to straight up negate damage from a hit. Acrobatics is good if you can get the evasion rating high enough that the downside doesn’t cripple your % rate.

[livid hamlet]

so they will be on a chilling ground at least

[valid palm]

Yeah, I will. I'm just asking whether these two can be on the enemy at the same time.

[wet mango]

well no, evasion rating is a flat number, which goes into a formula to compute the evade chance. (cc @grand jacinth )

[valid palm]

Why invoker though?

[vapid storm]

So if you took 1k damage but you had 500 evation rating with acro you would only take 500 damage?

assuming no resists

[wet mango]

you get 50% less evasion, doesn't nec. mean 50% less evade chance

[grand jacinth]

No. It doesn’t reduce damage. You dodge the hit

[gentle jolt]

need help with this curse, it says 60 spirit per socketed curse, and theres only 1 which means it should only use 60 spirit right? adding 2 other support gems makes it how much? or am i missing something?

[vapid storm]

So whats the number for?

[livid hamlet]

Not sure tbh, i kinda assumed

[vapid storm]

arent you always doging with acro?

[grand jacinth]

Chance to dodge?

[wet mango]

the "can evade all hits" means that evasion will apply to AOE hits as well (normally it does not)

[rough kelp]

do you have any idea what I can use as secondary spells to buff my phys? theres not much option other than minions

[valid palm]

Nah, I mean, why's the name? Was sorc called invoker in the first game?

[vapid storm]

oooh

So it applies to aoe and dot

[wet mango]

#2┃build-planning message

[grand jacinth]

Not dot

[wet mango]

not dot, dot is not a hit

[livid hamlet]

Oh you're a sorc . I thought you are a monk @valid palm .
Neither monk nor sorc were in PoE1

[vapid storm]

Not dot ok

[valid palm]

Yeah, full cold damage monk.

[vapid storm]

So a hybrid with high evation and Some ES would be good right? with capped resists would make me really tanky right?

[manic helm]

What is accuracy penality formula?

[livid hamlet]

the cost of the curses will scale with supports .
So things like increased area for example will increase spirit cost as well

[vapid storm]

if your straight up doging like 80% of those hits

[gentle jolt]

ye ye i understood that but by how much?

[wet mango]

no one knows. i think it's 0 at 1m and 95 (90?) penalty at 12m

[livid hamlet]

by whatever the cost stcaling of the support is

look at the gem

[manic helm]

thanks

[wet mango]

the reservation will increase only if the support gems say so

[grand jacinth]

80% is probably only achievable with serious investment. I don’t know how hard that would be if you also wanted ES

[wet mango]

e.g. clarity says "reserve 10 more spirit"

[livid hamlet]

Usually gems with no downside will have cost increase

[gentle jolt]

by 140% then right?

[livid hamlet]

and gems with downside won't have cost increase

[wet mango]

yes, but not reservation increases

[wet mango]

correct

[vapid storm]

Whats evation would you recomend? like how much to build for?

[gentle jolt]

60 + 140% then right lol sorry for being dum

[livid hamlet]

are there gems that have separete cost and reservation multis ?

[wet mango]

yes that's how most monks build

[vapid storm]

me not monk

[wet mango]

magnification for example, or blind, or maim

[grand jacinth]

How comfortable are you with dodging? Most of my evasion builds end up at around 70%.

[livid hamlet]

Oh i didn't know that

[wet mango]

I use those on my herald of ice (for free)

[livid hamlet]

Well that's fair

[opaque blaze]

@vapid stormim too stupid to understand it tbh. Both acrobatics and evasion rating say the same

[vapid storm]

ive beaten all the souls games

XD

[wet mango]

wdym "say the same"

[opaque blaze]

This keystone allows players to be able to evade area of effect skills as well as the usual strike or projectile skills.

[grand jacinth]

So.. evasion is great until it isn’t. Be happy when it dodges big slams, be wary that you can never rely on it.

[opaque blaze]

isnt that what evasion does?

[wet mango]

no, evasion normally doens't apply to AoE hits

[grand jacinth]

Basically, get it as high as you can. Just accept your inevitable death.

[vapid storm]

ye ranger isnt supposed to tank, things die before they attack sorta thing

[grand jacinth]

Yep

[vapid storm]

Holy f

monk is stupid op

[valid palm]

Alright, so my current situation is 45% cold pen and 35% exposure (Yes, now I got the number correctly). I can also get 12% extra pen in the immediate vicinity for two skill points, but I don't think that's gonna be worth it tbh.

[opaque blaze]

so the keystone is even better then? I dont get the downside of it

[wet mango]

50% less evasion rating

[grand jacinth]

Less is a really bad thing.

[obtuse zealot]

So does this not work then? I guess it just insta cancels?

[opaque blaze]

ok then what does the keystone NOT help u with? which kind of attack

[valid palm]

Is cold exposure applied before or after the penetration, that's the question.

[grand jacinth]

Dots

[atomic kindle]

yah unfortunatly

[wet mango]

wdym "what does it not help you with"

[rough kelp]

@livid hamlet do you have any sugestion to what I could use as secondaries to help with bone blast?

[obtuse zealot]

Gotcha. I wonder if MoM+demon form and just going with the 10 stack max and out-liferegening that with vitality and liferegen from tree will be strong? +4 to levels and 160% spell damage is a LOT still, as well as the castspeed and the better dash

[wet mango]

dots and "undodgeable/unblockables" (are they the same?)

[livid hamlet]

i'm still also early in my phys sorc so it's hard for me to say

[opaque blaze]

evasion rating can prevent those then?

[grand jacinth]

Nope

[wet mango]

no

[opaque blaze]

confusing

[livid hamlet]

but i found corpse explosion an insane clear skill

[wet mango]

please start from the beginning with what you think evasion does, becuase i have no idea what your internal model is lol

[elder mural]

Hello guys, i got a question.
I use shockwabe totem and fromt he description it says that every slam it creat a jagger ground. That being said in the recommanded gems they recommend jagged ground support gems.
Why would they recommend that gems if you already at 100% to creat jagged ground using totem ?

[opaque blaze]

u can evade hits

strikes

[grand jacinth]

If you go evasion, you’ll want chaos res and ailment immunity. Or as close to it as possible

[grim swan]

Hey guys, I'm thinking of going a strength stacking merc (gemling) and using gods cage quarterstaff with it. I have no idea how to build a character (first time doing it properly), so I wanted to see if people could maybe give some feedback on the passive tree I made as an idea?

https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/02p00ytf

[livid hamlet]

no

[wet mango]

evasion gives you a chance to dodge single target hits. Not dots, not aoe, not undodgeables.
The keystone lets evasion now also apply to AoE, at the cost of 50% less evasion rating.

[wet mango]

do undodgeable and unbllockable both exist? or just unblockable

[grand jacinth]

Theres a lot of aoes, btw

[opaque blaze]

now I understand

[opaque blaze]

that made perfect sense there

thank you

[wanton summit]

Is there any build that uses armour energy shield gear?

[rough kelp]

what do you use on it?

[elder mural]

Hello guys, i got a question.
I use shockwabe totem and fromt he description it says that every slam it creat a jagger ground. That being said in the recommanded gems they recommend jagged ground support gems.
Why would they recommend that gem if you already at 100% to creat jagged ground from ur totem ?

[livid hamlet]

spell echo and increased area so far

but it scales with corpse damage

[orchid torrent]

people from this discord are unhinged - @atomic kindle contacted me to talk about builds and then told me to kill myself and the n word

[livid hamlet]

making it very easy to blow monsters instantly

[orchid torrent]

like wtf

[livid hamlet]

oh wait. spell echo and corpse preservation *

[grand jacinth]

Those armors will get most use from unreleased classes, druid and templar. But you can use them on warriors and witches with some node travel.

[livid hamlet]

well don't summon him here

[orchid torrent]

he is regularly posting here - he found me by PM-ing me from talking in this channel 30m ago

[wanton summit]

Isnt druid str/dex?

[shell phoenix]

Hi guys some1 with this build https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/builds/frostferno-witch-hunter-fearless-dumbo#passive-tree-0 ?

[orchid torrent]

and then got so angry when I was saying that building from another far class' passive for their skills looks inefficent that he told me to kill myself and the n-word etc 😄

[livid hamlet]

that will be duelist probably

[valid palm]

I got a question regarding the magnitute. Specifically the magnitude of a chill effect. So in the chill effect description it says that the max slow it can give is 50%. However the magnitude says it's that it's a value the buff/debuff applies. So can I then go over 50% slow by increasing the magnitude of chill or what? What does increasing the magnitude for it do exactly?

[grand jacinth]

Nope, will take the same spot as templar, upper left, where it was in poe1

[elder mural]

Hello guys, i got a question.
I use shockwabe totem and fromt he description it says that every slam it creat a jagger ground. That being said, in the recommended gems they suggest jagged ground support gems.
Why would they recommend that gems if you already at 100% to creat jagged ground using totem ?

[rough kelp]

no minions?

[livid hamlet]

How i would put any supports on corpse explosion ?

I do use minions in my build overall

but mostly as ammo

i use minion pact support for bonestorm

and cast on minion death profane pact to generate power charges

[orchid torrent]

anyone seen any builds where you are a stormweaver but just go and build in e.g. monk fully

[wet mango]

@final jolt ^^^

[livid hamlet]

these things are common in PoE1 tbh

[orchid torrent]

yeah I did that

[livid hamlet]

this game is just not old enough for people to figure out all interactions out

I could imagine gemling caster being very strong for example

Or bloodmage melee also doesn't sound terrible

[orchid torrent]

I've been looking all morning at any 'build from another class' as a stormweaver, and that's the only one that looks remotely possible, but in general it seems so inefficent to go fully outside of your class

[valid palm]

Please? Anyone?

[livid hamlet]

well people go outside of their class for a purpose

not just to go outside of their class

[wet mango]

could anyone take a look at my proposed tree and offer feedback? Mainly if there's any nodes that are traps or any good clusters I may have missed
https://maxroll.gg/poe2/passive-tree/4o1l0ypz

[livid hamlet]

usually you figure you want to play something more funky

and then you try to figure the pathing

[elder mural]

Hello guys, i got a question.
I use shockwabe totem and fromt he description it says that every slam it creat a jagger ground. That being said in the recommanded gems they recommend jagged ground support gems.
Why would they recommend that gems if you already at 100% to creat jagged ground using totem ?

[wet mango]

recommended gems are not always good

[orchid torrent]

? and how is my trying to go outside of it not with a purpose?

[wet mango]

no, increasing magnitude makes it easier to reach 50%

[grave iron]

Is flamewall dmg stackable? Or it will just refresh ignite duration?

[wet mango]

with 100% incr magnitude, you can apply 25% chill but it will become 50%

[livid hamlet]

well i don't even know what you're trying to do

since i talked mostly with other people

[vital locust]

does Impending Doom and hex blast work together?

[livid hamlet]

and you asked in general on people leaving their area on the tree

so hard for me to answer more

accurately

[orchid torrent]

trying to build a monk - using some of their passives, their skils and wep instead of sorc' but as a stormweaver (with its +elemental dmg stuff)

[wet mango]

#2┃build-planning message
I mean you could literally play this tree as a warrior, you just change the 3 nodes at the start. Does that meet your criteria?

[elder mural]

Not always good i can understand but completly no effect is different, there must be smth just not on the tooltips maybe someone figured out.

[little canyon]

Yo, what would you pair fireball with? I'm a fire sorc. 1st I put scattershot. Since this fireball transforms into several new projectiles when it touches anything and launch again, now it's tripled. What else would fit this to make it even more insane?

[wet mango]

so just grab a monk build that paths to sorc side (i'm sure there are some?), and run it as a sorc
(unless there are ascendancy points that are super crucial)
(which I suspect there are)

[simple gust]

Other than Grenade build what can i do for better dmg on bosses etc? Cuz AOE DMG is alright i can kill lots of mobs.

[orchid torrent]

seems like it'd be so inefficent to get these far right skills as a warr

[wet mango]

or it could be EA and there could be bad recommendations

[wet mango]

? It's literally the same tree

[simple gust]

I am getting extremely bored that this build makes me quit the game

[valid palm]

Wait. Does that mean that the initial slow effect is dependant on the effect that causes it (In my case it's chilled ground)? And then it's magnified by, well, magnitude?

[wet mango]

or are you saying it'd be even better as warrior

[livid hamlet]

Well it doesn't sound optimal tbh, since invoker already has lots of damage nodes , but i can see why someone would like to do something different

[orchid torrent]

oh mb, I thought warr is to the left

[wet mango]

it is

[orchid torrent]

but then no, that doesnt fit - you are just building warr within its own tree

[livid hamlet]

That being said outside of shapers i don't see how stormweaver works well with staff skills

[wet mango]

if you click the chill tooltip it tells you this 🙂

[wet mango]

wdym

you use the same tree I just linked

[elder mural]

Or it could actually be good and if i just assume it could be time lose from a potential upgrade 😛

[wet mango]

with Xbow and glacial bolt

[supple silo]

Hi, is climate change useless if paired with bluebracers or it works ?

[livid hamlet]

yes

[orchid torrent]

why not - arent most/some of monk dmg skills elemental? so you get a ton of e.g. cold/electricity dmg passives from sorc but use them with the monk elemental stuff

[wet mango]

should work

[valid palm]

Then how do I know the initial slow effect? For example, it doesn't say anything specific for the chilled ground.

[orchid torrent]

I dont get how you use the same if you start differently. Like how do you reach these far right stuff if you start way further left than this. I guess do you have the actual example?

[supple silo]

so all damage convert to fire, then 25 as extra cold, but convert to fire ?

[wet mango]

yes but I think monk relies on its ascendancy nodes for tankiness cuz it's melee

[wet mango]

I linked it

you just change the 3 nodes at the start

[onyx stag]

I'm trying to increase my damage output as a lightning sorceress. what should i look for mostly in gear to optimize that?

[orchid torrent]

but warr is way further than 3 nodes, I guess the only one I saw just goes from its own nodes to its own tree mostly

[valid palm]

The tooltip there is for the chill effect only. There's no specific slow % number.

[livid hamlet]

i mean what exactly do you take from stormweaver than ?
Elemental storm works off spells.
Arcane surge is nigh useless for you .
Shapers are okay as i said.
Exposure is okay.

But all in all i don't think it's that worth

But generally when building things like that , yeah, people will spend additional 20 passives on travel nodes , picking up anything decent in the neighbourhood of their pathing

[wet mango]

so the start would look like this

[livid hamlet]

why take the warrior starting points ?

[wet mango]

huhn? it explains chill magnitude no?

[wet mango]

because I'm giving an example of a build that can be played "as a diff class"

[grand nebula]

How do i get more gem slots in individual skills?

[wet mango]

I said I path very close to warrior start, and witchhunter doesn't give anything builddefining, just general damage and clear, so you could totally run my build as warrior instead

[valid palm]

Okay, let's start from the back then. Does the chill effect have a base slow amount?

[wet mango]

no

[void pewter]

fairly sure you can build a phys caster from any of the bottom starting classes no problem, or a lightning arrow stormweaver

[wet mango]

it's based on your ailment magnitude

[void pewter]

the only thing really locked to a side are poison, bleed and minions no?

[livid hamlet]

People just travel more.
That's that.

You just use more passive points on the travel nodes.
Usually people do that if they want to play some off meta build , or if the interaction between passive points on one side of the tree with their ascendancy is worth the payoff

[orchid torrent]

exposure + e.g. this side for energy shield (you use energy shield from sorc passives too for the defensives instead of evasion). And/or these for e.g. shock from hits (monk hits, no?) (or chill on the other side)

[livid hamlet]

Yeah so that makes sense

[wet mango]

you swap out those 3 nodes and boom it's a warrior tree

is my point

[valid palm]

And do I have a base chill magnitude then?

[livid hamlet]

it's viable to use

[wet mango]

i don't understand

[livid hamlet]

yes, it's based on the cold damge of the hit

[wet mango]

cold damage contributes to chill magnitude

[livid hamlet]

vs enemy ailment treshold

[valid palm]

AH!

There we go, found the missing piece.

[snow sierra]

Is there somewhere a indepth explenation of there warcry builds ? i want to make my own build and thinking about if i can pull those off on a bloodmage

[livid hamlet]

So if you want to do that, you just need to spend more points to walk to a different part of the tree

people do that a lot in PoE1

less so in PoE2

because it's still a new game

and people are still going for the most obvious solutions so far

as gamae will mature you will be seeing more and more of these long travel nodes

[shell seal]

could some explain me, what im doing worng?

[valid palm]

So basically increasing the chill magnitude means my cold damage has a greater affect towards the chill pool. In other words, I stack the slow faster and get to the cap quicker?

[livid hamlet]

Yeah pretty much

[wet mango]

yes

[orchid torrent]

I mean looking at, I'm not sure if I actually need many passives from the monk tree. I just take cold/electricity damage from sorc tree but not spell stuff, and then a lot of energy shield. And I increase monk dmg with + to cold instead of their hit stuff, and then maybe go only for a few things there. E.g. stuff like this from sorc can increase monk damage just as much as the monk passives

[valid palm]

Thanks!

I just wanna make sure I clearly understand the systems.

[orchid torrent]

do monk cold skills count as cold skills for + cold skills modifiers? Are they both physical and cold at the same time?

[wet mango]

it's a cold skill so yes

[livid hamlet]

i'm not familiar with the monk tree exactly , but to my understanding the staff nodes are pretty busted

[grim swan]

Anyone able to help with this please? ❤️

[valid palm]

How much chill magnitude is it worth to go for then?

[wet mango]

also, you havne't said whether my example satisfies your question or not

[valid palm]

What are the numbers we are working with?

[wet mango]

my tree for cold xbow can literally be a warrior or merc

[elder mural]

@wet mango I found the information. HEre is the reason if someone else ask :P. Jagged ground work with totem even tho the slam fromt he totem itself proc 100% a jagged ground because the 50% form the gem jagged gorund support will provide that 50% form aoe cmg so u got 50% to double proc jagged ground.

[livid hamlet]

i don't know , i don't play cold

[orchid torrent]

a bit but not quite, as it doesnt go that far. It goes close to its own tree

[smoky axle]

Question do we get more gold from later acts or end game to respec our build? I see all the streamers with like 100k+

[wet mango]

what do you mean "own tree"

I'm all up in the merc area

[valid palm]

@wet mango Maybe you do know, then?

[livid hamlet]

Look how much chill you are inflicting , and if you want more

path towards increased magnitude

[wet mango]

yeah what 29 said

ther's not like a cutoff

[livid hamlet]

It depends on your damage quite a bit

[orchid torrent]

then yeh that works. do you also use merc skills and their wep? if so yes that totally does

[wet mango]

it's not like "oh i need 25% chill and i'm only getting 21 so my build is broken"

[wet mango]

yes the tree is a merc tree as I said. I'm running cold xbow

withchunter

[valid palm]

If I'm maxing out damage, I would assume I'd need to care less about magnitude then?

[wet mango]

i'm witchhunter. I'm just giving the example of how, since I path so close to warrrior start, you COULD run my exact same build as a warrrior

[valid palm]

Since my damage numbers would be noticeably above the threshhold just on their own.

[wet mango]

but like maybe the asc wouldn't fit as well

[livid hamlet]

yes

[vivid crown]

can anyone help? i can't tell what im doing wrong im fighting mastodon tusks boss and i suppose every other boss and sometimes the stronger enemies and my minions keep running into the attacks and dying really easily

[valid palm]

Yeah, I get it. I was just asking of how the math is mathing here, you know. Like, what amount of magnitude would be sufficient to max out the slow in 1-2 hits.

[wet mango]

wdym max out the slow

[valid palm]

Get to the cap of 50%?

[wet mango]

a) it depends on damage
b) it's not freeze, it doesn't build up

[void pewter]

play fire minions that kill the boss before the boss kills them

[wet mango]

only the max slow applies

[void pewter]

but ye minions are paper at least early game

[valid palm]

Ah! Got it!

Thanks, thanks!

[vivid crown]

im playing arsonist but they keep missing

[valid palm]

That just means I gotta max out the magnitude too!

[snow sierra]

Is there a way to spawn more bosses ? Like throwing breach tablets into towers.

[void pewter]

i really dont know how, i facerolled everything in normal with arsonists/raging spirits

[valid palm]

Like that, lol.

[vivid crown]

are arsonsists also supposed stick relatively close?

[void pewter]

are you using the multiple projectile support? its 210% dmg for them

i mean just run a circle and they respawn and then boss should die

they do stupid damage

[vivid crown]

yea im using multi and ignition and im using flammablity on the boss

[distant glade]

Has anyone tried flame blast?

[void pewter]

why would you ever use ignition

on a skill that hits 1 billion times

thats like actually -1 socket

[livid hamlet]

use the fire attack damage i think

right ?

[void pewter]

anything else, fire dmg, attack speed

[vivid crown]

wait im confused

[void pewter]

even faster projectiles for less misses would be better

[vivid crown]

i got told that ignition was good with arsonists

[wet mango]

but why do you care about chill magnitude

you're just gonna freeze them by that point

[void pewter]

well thats bullshit, only one ignite will do damage

[dry spruce]

anyone got good gelming build that is not grenades coz i dont like that playstyle

[vivid crown]

oh, well is using flammability still good though?

[livid hamlet]

Well it can make you run out of mana

[valid palm]

Bosses. They don't die after a single freeze, so slowing them down will allow for a lot of control on my side.

[vivid crown]

since it ups the chance for them all?

[livid hamlet]

quite efficiently

[void pewter]

yes ofc

[livid hamlet]

Yeah but even like 20-30%

chill

[void pewter]

-resist is more damage

[livid hamlet]

is pretty good for bosses

[void pewter]

always

[wet mango]

then test it in game and see how much chill you're actually applying

[wet mango]

i'm running glacial bolt witchhunter but i'm sure gemling works too

[rich oasis]

How get dps? I feel like I have zdps https://streamable.com/8771fo

[valid palm]

Yes, but the problem is that 1) I'm running full damage build. So extra safety won't be pointless. 2) I don't actually know how much extra magnitude do I need to apply 20-30% slow.

[livid hamlet]

Well that items is nice, some people take that item , but usually it's just a matter of scaling a shitload of mana regen

[vivid crown]

sorry idk what that means but you said it was good, so uh about the sockets for my arsonist, i have 2 free now bc i got 2 jewellers orbs and used 1 on arsonist, what should i use? faster throwing and more etc. stuff like that?

[wet mango]

that's why you test it

[valid palm]

I mean, I can't see the exact number. And I'm only making the build in the planner, not in game right now.

[bright locust]

So how does cast on ignite work now

[livid hamlet]

one would probably be the fire attack damage

i think fire infusion

and if you can get feeding frenzy that's also nice

but that's a level 2 support

[void pewter]

multi proj and any of the damage or attack speed ones really, idk their names

[livid hamlet]

then we can't really help you either

[celest salmon]

Does anyone know if the skill Pain Offering affects the skill Raging Spirits? The flaming skulls are supposed to count as minions but there's no way to know if the buff is actually applying. I wish we could click on our minions to see their buffs/debuffs

[dry spruce]

do you use plasma blast too

[livid hamlet]

it's impossible to say how much you need

[void pewter]

fire infusion? fire pen is probably good vs bosses but only if they dont reach 0% resist with flammability

[livid hamlet]

isn't fire infusion the support that increases fire damage of attacks while lowering the other elementals ?

[valid palm]

I am going to test and mixmax it. Right now I just want to get a general understanding of how this stuff works and figure out the key sections of my build path.

[void pewter]

yeah

[livid hamlet]

if i'm incorrect on the name

[tropic talon]

You think gemling légionnaire sunder/ str staking work ?

[livid hamlet]

i think most bosses will reach 0

[valid palm]

I like to have at least a somewhat clear plan beforehand.

[livid hamlet]

or close enough

[void pewter]

they should only be doing fire dmg anyway unless you have a sceptre mod or something so its free dmg

[livid hamlet]

that it isn't worth to put in fire pen

[tropic talon]

Focus on crit damage/ bleed

[wet mango]

no
see build showcase:
#1314798043115159687 message

[void pewter]

yeah fire infusion and martial tempo are probably the "best" no downside dmg ones

[livid hamlet]

i mean probably

[void pewter]

always, always use scattershot

[vivid crown]

whats the difference between fire infusion and ignition?

[livid hamlet]

You can find it easily

[void pewter]

?

[livid hamlet]

reading the gems

[void pewter]

read the gem rofl

[tidal copper]

Reading is lava

You won't get me

[vivid crown]

oh mb

i didnt have a gem yet

[tropic talon]

Hesitate betwen titan / gemling or warbringer for bleed sunder build you think what is better ?

[livid hamlet]

titan sounds best tbh

Altough gemling

has less mana cost

which is great

[spare quartz]

Does Poison Ranger need a physical damage bow? Is the one with chaos damage no good

[tidal birch]

issent gemling ultimat endgame scalling?

[void pewter]

probably small enough difference to even be noticable since all start in the right area

[livid hamlet]

since you can get +13 levels to sunder

[void pewter]

and ascendanscies are so meh overall

[livid hamlet]

the one with chaos damage is good

[vivid crown]

is chain good with arsonist?

[spare quartz]

Oh ok good. Thought maybe i heard that one of the skills scales with physical

[livid hamlet]

no

[wanton summit]

Can anyone recommend me a build that feels like poe1 templar?

[neon kindle]

the "leeches % physical damage as life" mods on weapons - is this any physical hit damage, or just attacks with that weapon?

[bright locust]

Would it be possible to scale radiant grief helmet ignite aura into a peusdo RF?

[orchid torrent]

is Unbound Avatar a really key part of monk builds? I'm looking to make my ice monk from a stormweaver, the one thing Im least sure is how much do I lose by nto having Unbound Avatar?

[sudden axle]

does the game calculate this mod when showing you the "dps" of a skill? trying to compare bows and wondering

[dusty bear]

If a support gem says "supports skills you use yourself" will it work on invoked spells?

[wet mango]

it's huge for bossing

[wet mango]

no, it's the dps of a single proj.

but you can't shotgun anyway

[wet mango]

you mean triggered?

[sudden axle]

@wet mango what do you mean cant shotgun? if it doesnt take it into account I just assumed the double shot bow could be better than the single even if the single is showing higher DPS on the sheet

[dusty bear]

specifically the invocation ones that you actually have to press to trigger linked spells, but i got the answer anyway it's no

[valid palm]

Sir, what the hell does having two chills on a target do? What's the benefit?

Got any idea?

[crisp sun]

Anyone tried bleed?

[wet mango]

2 proj can't hit the same target (unless specified)

[still rock]

more slow

[wet mango]

they stack

so you could have max 70% slow

[valid palm]

So they stack additively, I see.

MORE SLOWS.

[still rock]

🦥

[wet mango]

the boss will be dead by this point

fwiw

[ebon grail]

Okay, so HOWA+Pillar seems extremely stackable

Since Pillar now takes all damage type

[valid palm]

Being dead won't be enough. It needs to be humiliated.

[ember relic]

is corrupted blood considered a damaging ailment or an ailment at all?

i want to know if i can scale with maginitude of ailments/damaging ailments

[bright locust]

Would the ignite unique boots trigger Cast on ignite?

[dry anchor]

Hi, question: if I am ranger/pathfinder and I wanna use gas arrow with fire wall for crazy explosions build. Surely no point for for poison magnitude or anything poison. Since most of the damage is the explosion, just max elemental damage/physical/fire? or am I missing something

[candid moss]

Are there any general tips for which that make it less of a chore to play? I feel like I constantly need to be using like 10 abilities nonstop to do any damage. Chaos bolt, chaos infection ability or whatever, chaos hex to lower their resistance, fire wall with SRS, skeletal arrows to blow up dog ignite, raising corpses, corpse explosion or volatile dead, bone cage. I like some variety in a build for sure, but does anyone else feel like which needs to use too many abilities too much to be relevant? sometimes I want to be a bit more chill while playing. Idk

[bright locust]

Stack spirit = more minions = more dmg = more afk

[molten apex]

You can play Warbringer auto attack build

[candid moss]

I have a spirit chest that gives 100 extra spirit but makes my intelligence not give max mana. I also have a scepter that gives 133. I also upgrade minions first. I have 3 archers, 3 arsonists, my hellhound, and 2 skeleton warriors

[candid moss]

It just feels like my friend who is a warrior can basically use 2 abilities and just destroy normal packs and he only needs to lock in for massive waves or bosses

[bright locust]

Get the bones of ullr boot and oaksworn shield and you will get a ton more

[formal night]

any tip where to go after i have this? is it EB time or nyet?

[candid moss]

Meanwhile I’m trying to spread chaos and get an effigy down and put down hexes and use spreading chaos and auto attack and use my arched arrow and kite

Like I’m legit 5x his APM probably

And my merc friend just hits 2 buttons and obliterates an entire wave with a bomb + gas

[bright locust]

I just use srs flame wall and kite

With the minions

I'm in T10 maps

[vital hornet]

Any advice or suggestions for my lvl 43 Infernalist? I took doggo and Demon form for my ascensions points.
At the moment my most used spells are Fireball + scatter + unleash , Frost wall + fortress + cascade , Frost bomb + Fast forward + Strip away. Also Skeletal reavers + Corrosion + Envenom.

[candid moss]

Barely does any damage for me, I’m surprised. Also how is that fun

[tidal birch]

fun is subjective, you have to know what is fun for yourself

[bright locust]

It's super safe tanky and low apm

[tropic willow]

What's HOWA? I'm playing pillar rn

[ebon grail]

Hand of Wisdom and Action

[bright locust]

Only 160ex item XD

[candid moss]

I was super excited when I unlocked cast on minion death for a vampire survivors type of build or something but have no idea how to use it and heard the only thing it was actually good for got hard nerfed so

[valid palm]

Alright, I have finished the core build with a few nodes I can swap around here and there. I am now fully committed to making that damn glacial cannon build. Thanks everyone who helped and explained the stuff!

[tropic willow]

Plausible, throw in a black sun crest

[ebon grail]

Eh, we already need Astramentis (500ex+ ez)

[tropic willow]

Good luck

[ebon grail]

figure it's target farm somewhere

[tropic willow]

I would like an astramentis too

[tidal birch]

Game is so new, the balance is not optimized at this point, its better to just accept it

[candid moss]

Can’t find these on google am I dumb

[tropic willow]

Use poe2db

[ebon grail]

Also I'm kinda scared they might nerf ghostwrithe

[bright locust]

Why you think that?

[tropic willow]

The game is too new for Google to have cached anything

[ebon grail]

they might think this is unethical on a level 63 character

[unkempt nexus]

o.O how tf

[bright locust]

Funny enough I've seen higher

With grim feast

[ebon grail]

Oh, it only gets higher from here

[candid moss]

I found the item on there but unsure if it’s always level 16, or where to get it, etc

[ebon grail]

like I said, only leve 63

[candid moss]

Sorry I’m new to Poe

[unkempt nexus]

does reserving hp affect the maximum hp or only counting as you being at a certain hp %

[ebon grail]

Doesn't affect max hp

[bright locust]

That's correct unique armors and jewelery and belts have set levels, unique weapons can vary

[candid moss]

Do people still use those boots despite permanently being level 16???

[ebon grail]

Strength stacking gives you tons of life, Ghostwrithe converts half of that life to ES
POE2 calculates after conversion so all that converted ES then gets +%ed by ES nodes

[bright locust]

Yes they are best in slot for ALL undead minions

20% reduced reservation is massive

[orchid torrent]

can you build monk with 0 evasion rating, and instead with just energy shield passives?

[candid moss]

Where on the DB does it show drop location

[bright locust]

Can drop everywhere

[ebon grail]

Theoretically, sure

[orchid torrent]

is there something about evasion thats much better than energy shield for monk other than the passives in its tree

[candid moss]

So no way to farm for them? Also, oak shield is BIS despite being level 7? I swear to god my offhand wand right now gives minions 70% extra damage and would be better, no?

[spare quartz]

I made it to a boss in Act 3 that has lava flowing so effectively it has a timer. Haven't been able to outdamage him with my poison Ranger build yet. I guess i need a bow upgrade, tried Gas Cloud/Toxic Growth and regular bow shot

[ebon grail]

Invoker doubles energy shield (though need to channel)
Chayula has instant mana leech applying to energy shield (though there's no actual source of mana leech because GGG forgot phys damage isn't exactly quarterstaff thing)

[tidal copper]

No both are good secondary layers
~~Well you if you have 1000 evasion you have 0.0(..)1% of being immortal ~~

[bright locust]

Oaksworn gives 50 spirit and chaos res which can be hard to find and you put the scepter in the main hand

[past ember]

Does anyone know how to increase Totem damage? It is so low idk if the nodes worth even be worth it

[candid moss]

Yeah but my other scepter gives 90% spell damage so I was like, this is for sure a good combo. Does spell damage work for DOTs, like the essence dot?

Also, if I were to try to farm for the boots, do I go to act 1 and just repeatedly clear a level? Do you have any method? Would I be able to farm it on the “cruel” campaign?

[bold oxide]

if you build it as a caster sure. trying to melee with 0 evasion and only ES sounds like a bad idea. but they just nerfed the Cast On X stuff so idk what a pure caster monk looks like now

[stray prawn]

Anyone know if chayulas ascendency (mana leech) have been fixed?

[dusty gyro]

Dumb, dumb build. Maybe it has legs?

Witch (Infernalist) with Decompose boots and Sacrifice and as many big HP Skeletal Warriors as she can fit.

[bright locust]

It's hard to "farm" unique unless you have an absurd amount of item rarity

[candid moss]

So if it’s BIS permanently how the hell do people actually get it

[dusty gyro]

Grab nodes for +2 Max Poison and then sink a ton into spell damage.

[unkempt nexus]

im playing infernalist witch and wondering if i should just go straight ES or go with the split armor/ES? guessing ES with the whole amulet/helm/battery combo or..?

[bright locust]

I traded for mine Via trade site or trade channel

[candid moss]

What is a good price for something like that so I’m not scammed

[stray prawn]

Nobody plays chayula I suppose 😦

[unkempt nexus]

speaking of item rarity, how tf do people get so much, certain uniques or?

[bright locust]

I'd look it up on the trade site

[bright locust]

There are a decent amount of unique with them yes

[unkempt nexus]

ik morior invictus is one i wanna get, makes me drool xD but the cost is like yeah..not rn

[heady palm]

is **recovery **a form of regen?
life recover = life regen?

(If my char is blocked from life regen, can i still recover + recoup?)

[candid moss]

Ok thanks. Is the chest that gives 100 spirit but decreases max mana also good or no?

[bright locust]

Absolutely

[bright locust]

The boots and enfolding dawn are bis for the skele builds

[orchid torrent]

I'm a cast on X stormweaver ice sorc, and Im looking to just retool it as an ice monk - get the energy shield and +cold from my sorc tree but build it with melee wep, melee skills etc. Is evasion that much better than ES?

[candid moss]

And also the shield?

[astral dragon]

Is there a decent secondary weapon for an archer?

Or, just useful

Lightening build

[candid moss]

It’s kinda lame unique armors are limited to low levels, no point to grind for a lot of gear pieces or go for different builds if the best stuff is level 7

[bold oxide]

its not that one or the other is better. you can have both and should as a monk

[bright locust]

That's just what we have available atm we only got 1/4 of the total game rn

[candid moss]

If im internalize can I still prioritize making my physical minions my main damage source rather than going elemental and such

[orchid torrent]

but why do you need both? why doesnt stacking a ton more ES without evasion from my sorc tree work? I'll have no evasion but id have way more ES than other monks

[candid moss]

Do we know when the first new content will be dropped (very general timeframe of course)?

[bright locust]

At the time no we don't

[candid moss]

I never played poe1 so idk how the endgame works - is there a goal of sorts, or is it just scaling maps for better gear with no goals other than better loot

[azure meadow]

Only one layer of defense sounds bad but I didn't try it. GGG wants you to have multiple usually
Monks have life + Eva + es + ghost shrouds

[candid moss]

Cause I feel like good loot is fun but without a reason for getting the loot then there’s no point

[bright locust]

There are pinnacle bosses which drop chase items

[gilded cairn]

Does anyone know if you can socket 3 grand spectrums per type or in total?

[snow sierra]

At the moment the question a build should solve is "how do i stack defense" imo, cause dmg is a given for most

[candid moss]

What are pinnacle bosses and what are chase items lol

[coarse lake]

wht exactly is area increasing? spell radius?

[wheat heath]

so Gas Grenade Merc, the order of skills is Oil --> Explosive Shot --> Spam Gas Grenade and Flash.

Why do we need explosive grenades?

[azure meadow]

It isually increases area of effect of skills with the "area" tag

[bright locust]

Hard bosses and valuable trade value items

[unkempt nexus]

would this apply to poison?

[candid moss]

Also, is there something I’m missing in regard to defense on which? I feel like I have a somewhat ok energy shield but once it’s gone it’s just over for me, I also can get essentially one shot through shield always. Is there some combo I’m missing with stats or something

[bright locust]

Yes

[unkempt nexus]

ty ❤️

[coarse lake]

i see AoE tags. I dont think ive seen area tags?

[bright locust]

Grim harvest passive gives es when minions die helps

[bright locust]

Same thing

[bold oxide]

for sorc you wouldnt really stack evasion

[coarse lake]

sweet, cheers. i got a few skills it could effect then

[candid moss]

If our minions are giga buffed doesn’t that mean they rarely die

What other things might I be missing in the build?

[bright locust]

Put infernal legion on reavers or your non dmg skele to produce them

[snow sierra]

That seems like a total waste of good minions

in a minion build

[candid moss]

I usually run chaos stuff like the single shot that applies a dot, the disease that spreads, chaos hex that decreases chaos resist, effigy, am I doing this wrong? Like too many non minion stuff?

My entire tree is minion buffs

[bright locust]

The arsonists do 99.9% of the dmg

[snow sierra]

yes and srs dosnt generate these things anymore

[coarse lake]

yeah, i run all arsonists atm

[candid moss]

For real? It feels like archers do most of my boss damage with arrows and stuff

I have poison, armor break (corrosion), and withering on archers

[bright locust]

That is also a version i found arsonists to be smoother

[snow sierra]

Arsonist are way cheaper in spirit too

[coarse lake]

arsonists with flammability is nice

[candid moss]

Aren’t they the same cost as archers

[snow sierra]

a right nvm i was thinking of frostmages because they shotgun too

[candid moss]

Also so I don’t brick my unique chest, what runes should I put in? Or do I wait to get good gems?

[snow sierra]

there are no good gems

the one you find early are the same you find in endgame

[bright locust]

It's personal preference

[tiny wedge]

hey guys, what're some strong sorc builds?

[snow sierra]

spark

archemage

[tiny wedge]

just max spark?

[candid moss]

Are you sure? My level 10 archers and arsonists are the same cost I think

[snow sierra]

like i said nvm i was wrong on the cost, it was the reason frostmages get outcompeted

[candid moss]

Oh ok

[snow sierra]

But the archers dont shotgun

to thats the reason why they are not this good

[candid moss]

I put the triple spread on them for clearing mob packs then swap to withering for bosses

[nimble sun]

i'm creating a cold spark build with archamge, is there any way to convert archmage damage to cold? the spark damage 'im converting with the call of the brotherhood ring, but what about the archmage damage? can i convert somehow? some item?

[candid moss]

What do you mean shotgun? What support gems do you guys run on arsonists

[snow sierra]

Arsonist trippel hit bosses kinda often for example

cause the aoes overlap

[candid moss]

How if they only throw one bomb? Or are you using scattershot

[snow sierra]

scattershot is they way 🙂

[coarse lake]

arsonist>ignite>boosting the fire comet skill? any good?

[candid moss]

Do you also use the grim feast or whatever

And does SJS trigger it or no

[snow sierra]

No like i said i dont think grim feast is worth it anymore

[candid moss]

If not, should I remove SJS / firewall combo?

Or is that also part of the minion build late game

[snow sierra]

no srs is free dmg

for any minion build

[sharp siren]

As a sorc, do I want my armor item with both armor and energy shield always or is there a better set up?

[coarse lake]

my srs firewall would never spawn any place good. i found the comet spawn more helpful.

[candid moss]

I’m getting overwhelmed by what support gems to try on my shit

Like SRS too

[silent escarp]

for phys bow, is it just enough to check "physical damage" in the upper part of the bow? or do i need to look into the stats more?

[snow sierra]

The upside with firewall is it buffs your projectiles kinda alot thats why we use it

and fortress makes placing it easyier

[coarse lake]

the comet gets boosted if it eats an ignite, right? if you run aronists you should be able to ignite a lot for boosted comets?

[high relic]

How do I use the Corruption Altar in Vaal Ruins? I mean: what should I use it on? What should I search with it?

[orchid torrent]

yeah but im building a monk out of my sorc - take the cold damage and ES stuff from sorc but use same wep, skills etc. as an ice monk

[sharp siren]

As a sorc, do I want my armor item with both armor and energy shield always or is there a better set up?

[trail tundra]

Why is it not worth it anymore? Did they change something about it?

[coarse lake]

has anyone tried flame blast with solar orb to see if you can get it to proc from multiple solar orbs at once? getting a +1 on your one and then having 2 on a srs proc could be nice in that way?

[snow sierra]

you dont do dmg compared to your minions in a minion build, firewall buffs them, comet dos not as far as i am aware

[snow sierra]

didnt they change that it dos not proc on srs anymore ?

[remote ledge]

Sooo...recoup only applies to damage taken on hits, I assume that using life cost instead of mana doesnt count as a hit and doesnt activate the recoup right

[candid moss]

What type of scepter / offhand weapon or shield do you like to use? And what’s your “main” attack? I feel like a lot of what I do is spam the chaos ability that causes a dot and also use my archer arrows - if I’m using arsonist what is my main active abilities I’m using otherwise?

[coarse lake]

i dont even use my main weapon skill. i just spam fireball and have my offhand for a free skeleton spawn.

[snow sierra]

i use a shield because it feels like shields buff your ability to tank hits to a insane amount, shield buffs my surviability rate for 10-15 maps alot. My "Main attack" is flamewall to get rageing spirt, i use to offerings and my arsonist attack thru the flamewall. I have one cleric. My defense is recoup, MoM and Block

[bright locust]

Flame wall to spawn SRS it the "spam" spell

[trail tundra]

Even without SRS you don’t think it’s worth it? It still produces es quite often

[snow sierra]

But i am chronomancer so Recoup might not be a option for another class as a defensive layer

If you dont use srs on a minion build you doing something wrong

its jsut too free atm

like as sad as it is, its 30 spirit for 10 minions that dont need corpses , its just free dmg if you specced into minions

even with 60 spirit cost it would still be good

[coarse lake]

whats better though. minion death or ignite? im curious if i got the comets popping on the free proc, eating up ignite and having arsonists with 100% more ignite chance, I wonder if the ignite pops would be faster

[bright locust]

I'd try both see what procs more

[bold oxide]

you can try but youll probably need to switch up more than that

[coarse lake]

when i get to a higher level and start getting some free gems, i think i will try

im gonna try the mana tank build too. i wonder now how effective that would be with a shield on top.

[snow sierra]

with MoM ? and a ability to get mana back ?

very

But you need a idea to fix your mana reg thats the biggest challange with a MoM build

[coarse lake]

i just got a lot of regen atm. unsure how well it will play outside of theory for me.

yeah

[dusty gyro]

Does infernal legion ignite last for the full 4 seconds after the minion dies or does it only last while the minion is alive?

[rancid cipher]

Does the Charged Staff (quarterstaff skill) count as a spell for Elemental Storm (Stormweaver skill)? It says spell, but I'm not sure if that's just the buff rather than the attacks it uses.

[orchid torrent]

I got a rando wand that gives 19% spirit but when I equip it I go from 100 to 219 spirit, how does that work? I almost sold it since I expected it to give me 19 spirit but it gives 119?

[snow sierra]

look at the spirit i gives

[orchid torrent]

ohh it gives it up there yeh

[candid halo]

addition

[orchid torrent]

so wait do witch stuff just give a fuckton of spriit by default

[void pewter]

it looks like a spell buff that makes you do additional attacks so proooobably not

[prisma dirge]

Why wouldn't the brotherhood ring convert your archmage damage too?

[river schooner]

only my melee-dmg minions can build up stun, right?
arsonists have a physical damage component but i guess it's too small to reliably contribute

[nimble sun]

it doesnt

idk why

[mental hull]

If i have 50% increased Energy shield from passives, and take eldritch battery to convert that to mana, do i convert the full energy shield that i had, or only the pre-increased part?

[snow sierra]

No eb is only flat value

from your gear

[warped jackal]

Instant mana leech

[void pewter]

gain as extra dmg is never converted i believe

[raw ruin]

if i want to freeze enemy, do i need to stack both cold damage and freeze buildup? or just focusing on cold damage is enough

[void pewter]

conversion happens at the same time as added as x

[nimble sun]

never? not a single way to convert? sad

[void pewter]

theres a decent explanation on the wiki

[snow sierra]

for example, i just use recoup

[void pewter]

in return we are not stuck with the old order of conversion

[rancid cipher]

The extra attacks themselves are elemental and from a buff that's labled as spell, so I wasn't sure. That would really suck if that's the case. Maybe I'll try to find a Stormweaver that would be willing to get the skill and test it for me.

[vernal willow]

50% or 100% more HP per player in a party for a boss?

[jade tide]

Anyone gave a shot at a stormweaver monk? Focus on cold and lightning seem nice for the monk damage?

[still rock]

sceptre gives 100 base spirit normally, that mod is a local modifier for the spirit it gives you

its not increased spirit for all of your spirit

[coarse lake]

what is the tab I and tab II for spirit allocation about? does putting on a skill for both tabs do anything?

[steady pendant]

After the patch, should I go with Cast on Cold or Cast on Lightning build?

[prisma dirge]

"Gain as Extra is calculated on the source damage before it gets converted away by Converted to, and is thus not affected by it."

[void pewter]

yeah the shockwave has attack stats on poe2db at least so I assume it uses weapon dmg and is an attack

[heady axle]

Im newish to PoE and can't find good information about scaling of "gained extra damage as X" mechanic (and how it changed in poe2). Anyone got a minute to explain. Essentially if i have 20% extra damage as chaos, and I hit for 100 phys, and have 100% increase phys damage. Do I do 220 damage or 240? What is scaling the "damage gained"?

[still rock]

Self cast unless youre invoker imo

[nimble sun]

guys, what gems wides the aoe of skills? i need a elemental storm with a bigger aoe?

[limber gorge]

need someone to help me with spirit i have but do not know how to use it on the skill. it does not bind

[coarse lake]

someone told me earlier that area boosts aoe. it needs the aoe tag though

[steady pendant]

Oh autobombers are dead already?

[still rock]

you need to invest in energy generation

as it shouldve been from the start

[coarse lake]

no idea lol. sorry

[steady pendant]

Ughh

[still rock]

non invoker could work just have to take energy gen on the tree

[steady pendant]

Well, I'm tired of playing Sorc with Spark firewall, it really sucks. Anything good from cold builds maybe?

[coarse lake]

didnt cold get nerfed to the ground?

[prisma dirge]

Is there a reason I don't see many builds using both Cast on Crit & Cast on Freeze?

[steady pendant]

Seriously? Geez... I guess time for a refund

[snow sierra]

cast on free did get nerfed

[coarse lake]

maybe doom posting. but ive read sorc is in a bad place after some of the recent nerfs

[snow sierra]

"Bad place" not meta game breaking afk gameplay possible = bad place

[candid moss]

Isn’t it just 2 casts to get all of them then 2 more when they die and so on

[prisma dirge]

yeah it got nerfed, I mean why didn't builds use 2 different cast on gems before the nerf?

[snow sierra]

they despawn kinda fast

[candid moss]

You use like an actual shield or a focus

[snow sierra]

Shield

[raw ruin]

support gem: magnified effect

[candid moss]

and I’m not sure what recoup and mom are sorry

[bright locust]

Correct

[candid moss]

So otherwise, just running around kiting?

[torpid mason]

What runes should I put on this bow for gas arrow build? Phys or flat ele?

[hazy sable]

Anyone have any recommendations for Firestorm support gems?

[nimble sun]

thanks! and i just learned that i can look for tags in the search tab, i didn't know that

[snow sierra]

Mind over Matter, and Recoup is a effect that gives you back a resouces over 8 seconds as a % of dmg taken

[still rock]

No stop saying this shit lmfao

So annoying

[coarse lake]

i dont use it. im just saying what ive read.

[candid moss]

Are these passive nodes or

[rancid cipher]

This is actually what I'm trying to do atm, but I'm inexperienced with the game and very early in. Trying to get an idea of what to even work towards to make it work.

[snow sierra]

Mind over Matter is a big passiv note yes, and Recoup can be gained thru gear , passiv notes or acendencys

[mental hull]

if i use Elditch battery + mind over matter, there is no point in taking any non-flat increases to energy shield, right?

[snow sierra]

yes

[still rock]

#2┃build-planning message

[hazy sable]

Anyone have any Firestorm support gems recommendations?

[heady axle]

Anyone shed some light on this for me please

[prisma dirge]

I've been self casting comet til my build comes online and it melts stuff. I've socketed it twice. Once for bosses (Spell Echo + Conc + Cold Pen) and once for trash (Spell Cascade + Unleash + Ambush). Been working out really well.

[nimble sun]

im using the apply exposure with cold exposure and strip away. i'm trying to decide what would be better, controlled destruction or manified effect, what would you guys use controlled destrocuion or magnifieed effect?

[coarse lake]

i think that fair. and fair towards a large part of the community who just wanna play. but there is a group of people out there who care about the meta when looking for builds so nerfs like that would seem build/class breaking. but, i also see your point in how it can be damaging.

[still rock]

It is not build or class breaking and definitely not damage type breaking

use your brain

[strong apex]

how to gear up effectively? idk but gear is too expensive to buy and craft......im a sorc..i cant get 60 spirit

[winter swan]

Yo guys, i am a newbie of poe2 what is a good beginners build for a sorc? I just started in act 2

[snow sierra]

Well its the youtube meta, scream the next big thing, then cry and reroll to the next gamebreaking build, if you play a youtuber build the chances your build will get gutten in ea is higher^^

[azure meadow]

Wait in what way was cold damage as a whole nerded?

[snow sierra]

what level ?

[strong apex]

currently 38

[still rock]

It wasn't

[snow sierra]

you dont need spirit there, if you get it nice, if not to bad

do they quest for spirit and if you rly want spirit just throw a offhand scepter in

[coarse lake]

these opinions arent my own. i dont even use cold. im just echoing others opinions and thoughts. Im unbiased either way. just trying to have a discussion.

[vital hornet]

Does this work with Empowered zombies?

[still rock]

Don't echo opinions you don't know about is my point

[coarse lake]

i dont remeber the full nerf. but, i read that the amount needed to freeze was increased, for one. unsure if there was more specifically.

[snow sierra]

ye its kinda bad for new players

[strong apex]

in general, is t here any gearing guide for poe2? im new to the game,,,,,idk what gear good what stat, and how to use currency effeciently,,,i only need a general guide to read...googling is hard

[still rock]

It's harmful to the game and its reputation, dozens of people asking if cold has been nerfed if they need to "get a refund"

lmao

[strong apex]

is there any out yet?

[snow sierra]

The first order while leveling is get enough dmg to kill, then work on res and lfie

[snow sierra]

i assume you are a sorc ? look for a 2h staff or a wand that gives you spell level for the spell you are useing thats huge

On your other gear just look for Life, and res until you are a bit higher in level

[snow sierra]

look at the vendors

a every level

[still rock]

What was nerfed: people were using Comet in a Cast on X gem to bypass the cast time and spam a bunch of them, so they added a cast time mod to the spell so that it required more energy to generate. They also added monster power in the equation for energy generation to balance out triggers on monsters and bosses

1. Doesn't break the build, adapt or die
2. Doesn't break the ascendancy or class
3. Doesn't break the damage type

[candid moss]

Ok thanks. Is carrion call a good shield? Seems like it could be insane with minion resistances?

[still rock]

It was overtuned and was adjusted and people are acting like babies

[snow sierra]

and see if there is a Staff or 1h that gives you "to level of all spell skills" something like that :

[snow sierra]

i dont find it very good, maybe with a infernal armey build but doubt it. its a focus and not a shield btw early it could be nice if you minions die, but later just go for a shield that gives you alot of resi and block

[strong apex]

wow,,i havent saw any of it yet

[snow sierra]

Its kinda common

i had a +1 from level 5 and a +2 around level 30

just look every level up since it respawns the shop

If you find something like that throw on a argumentation orb and a regal and have a nice weapon if you like your 3 rolls on it you could consider a exalted just for the kicks of it

[tepid pumice]

Can someone help me towards a viable build for blood mage in Act 2 cruel? Since CoF nerfs im struggling to kill even white mobs now seems like my build is dead

[silk needle]

hey guys can someone help me find the blasphemy gem i dk how to use it a sorc

[snow sierra]

hur hur can i sell you your lord and savoiur minions ? 😛

[azure meadow]

I think it completely broke jun's build though
I agree on the "don't spread misinformation" part

[still rock]

Adapt

[snow sierra]

It broke the builds, that everyone with poe1 knowledge could have told you will be changed imo

[still rock]

I know several people that were playing it and specifically said they were saving gold to respec when it got fixed because they knew it was broken

"Give me a refund, this game sucks! GGG doesn't know how to balance! Respec costs are too high!" Shooting yourself in the foot and suing the gun manufacturer

[candid moss]

Ok thank you. How do i sell things on trade?

[nimble sun]

im using the apply exposure with cold exposure and strip away. i'm trying to decide what would be better, controlled destruction or manified effect, what would you guys use controlled destrocuion or magnifieed effect?

[snow sierra]

you need a premium stash tab, make it public and price the items there, but thats besides build tips 😉

[coarse lake]

is it true that stash tabs usually have a sale at the end of each month?

[snow sierra]

they are on sale right now

like look at the news 😉

[still rock]

There's one this weekend

yea

[coarse lake]

time to go shopping

[craggy kraken]

What does improving the quality of a skill gem do? When I hold alt, it shows for some gems, but others nothing. Does increasing the quality do nothing on those (skeletal arsonist in my example).

[still rock]

A lot of gem qualities seem bugged rn

They generally give some effect though, it's not common for some to have them and others to not so it's just something they need to fix

[coarse lake]

if i have a decent amount of gold to spend. is there a go to list of tabs i should be getting to set myself up?

[still rock]

currency is nice convenience

essence is probably eh here

[manic adder]

Do you have any idea for a solid build that can tank some mechanics that work well with a controller ?

[still rock]

flask tab is eh

gem stash is nice

espec for organizing uncuts

unique is eh unless you just like being a collector

[bitter ore]

how much es can you reasonably get in maps?

with ok/decent gear

[coarse lake]

is unique the legendaries?

[still rock]

Ye

Best value is currency and a couple quad tabs

[craggy kraken]

I recommend a quad and currency right now. If you were to play POE, then there are a few more I would highly recomend. In this game, not that important.

[still rock]

Yeah in poe1 the "special" ones are almost required in some ways lmao

unless youre ridiculously good at organizing normal stash tabs

[coarse lake]

the quad stash tab just the normal ones we have?

[craggy kraken]

Anyone play arsonist minions? Would it be worth having one cleric to revive the minion you pain offering or is that over thinking it? lol

[coarse lake]

not sure if its the go to, but, i just hit all the revive speed nodes instead

theres also a revive speed legendary. which i think is for chest

[still rock]

quad is basically 4 stash tabs in one window

[craggy kraken]

quad is a stash tab, but 4 combined into one. A lot of people put bases in there for a session of crafting.

[coarse lake]

you can do WHAT now!?

[coarse lake]

holy

[finite crystal]

crit damage multi changed in poe2 right. so a martial weapon with "+X% crit bonus" is adding into the base crit bonus, before getting multiplied by "increased" and "more" multipliers. is that right?

[sly field]

Is running a staff better on sorc vs wand + focus? I’m trying a cold build

[finite crystal]

like poe1 where the chest modifier "+X% to crit chance" was huge bc it added to the base chance

[snow sierra]

staff gives more gem level so its ofter better from what i know for selfcast builds

[still rock]

If you want to be set up for a bit I think I'd reccomend Premium Stash Tab Bundle, Premium Quad Stash Tab, and Currency Stash tab

premium tabs are necessary to sell items on the trade site

[sly field]

Cast speed seems really slow with staff or does that not matter?

[coarse lake]

i think i'll do this. cheers

[distant glade]

What builds would I like if I enjoy not dying

[finite crystal]

something from poe1

🙂

[distant glade]

True

[snow sierra]

1 cleric is worth it

[still rock]

what if the cleric dies

[snow sierra]

well to bad you tryed 😛

happens kinda often in breaches to me

[still rock]

who came first the cleric or the egg

[split nexus]

is ember fusi + firewall still viable into endgame or should i switch into something else? was fine up until mid way through cruel act 1 - damage seems to have fallen off a bit

[trim nexus]

which

[snow sierra]

^^ unless your copy you build you find out when you get there

[snow sierra]

I like the mana one, it seemed a save choise no matter what i go

[scarlet oasis]

When do you start getting lvl 3 support gems?

[shell temple]

act2 cruel

[still rock]

Mana or stun threshold are the most useful imo

[craggy kraken]

Lol, knowing me, I will always skewer the cleric when I use pain offering. Sorry little buddy!

[still rock]

Does the spike scale life with which minion you pick or has the same life no matter which one?

[ember relic]

does increased magnitude of bleeding also affect the corrupted blood i apply on enemies?

[craggy kraken]

Pretty sure it's the same no matter what.

[still rock]

No

[still rock]

Corrupted Blood =/= Bleeding

But they are both physical DoTs

[ember relic]

is there anything to improve the damage of corrupted blood?

oh so just physical damage nodes?

[still rock]

Global physical damage (the ones that don't say with attacks)

[craggy kraken]

checked, the pain offering has a max life, and it doesn't mention anything about it changing

[ember relic]

i see thank you

[velvet blade]

Does anyone know of sources of "life flask effects do not end when life is full"?

[still rock]

Was just curious, it seems useful just wondering how survivable the spike is for bossing

[craggy kraken]

Probably the best method is to use it when the boss gets stunned.

[still rock]

Makes sense

[craggy kraken]

It has 1/3 of the health from the minions.

But it's a 30% spike in damage and attack speed. Super boost, even if you only have 3-4 minions.

[still rock]

I think the only source is from a mana flask and its a unique

https://poe2db.tw/us/Melting_Maelstrom

That we've seen so far, atleast

[scarlet oasis]

When in act2? Currently in bone pit and still only dropping lvl 2

[velvet blade]

Ah dang. I got Shavronne's Satchel but quickly realized it doesn't work for CI

[tidal copper]

Is the keystone that dodges everything any good???
70% less evasion sounds rough

[still rock]

Pathfinder gets it

https://poe2db.tw/us/Enduring_Elixirs

[frail sedge]

Anyone succesfully tried Giant's blood gemling build?

[still rock]

Only two sources I could find

[craggy kraken]

I love having +magic find on my gear, but it sucks when I get a solid upgrade and it's missing it 😦

[valid palm]

How useful do you guys think this node is for a sorc?

[velvet blade]

It doesn't work with % increased energy shield nodes so it only gives you your base es from gear as extra mana

So, mediocre at best

[dry anchor]

For a gas arrow and flame wall explosion pathfinder build, which is better - stacking poison magnitude or elemental damage since the explosion is fire damage

[still rock]

Oh? I didn't know that. That sucks

[thorn abyss]

i am playing warrior and have martial tempo and rage on my basic attack. It seems whenever i have rage, i attack slower. Is this a bug or is it specific to the rage gem?

[still rock]

I guess that follows the new conversion rules

So makes sense if they're trying to be consistent on conversion

[mystic shard]

If you got 100% of faster start of energy shield recharge.

Does it start recharging the moment you take damage?

So no delay?

[velvet blade]

Yeah, all conversion is only scaled by modifiers to the values of the final outcome. This also applies to "%damage added as extra damage" The extra damage is based on a percentage of the base value, not the scaled value.

[valid palm]

That's a shame. I was really considering it.

[velvet blade]

Yeah, same. That decision around conversions and extra damage really seems to put a damper on creativity.

[valid palm]

Eh, maybe, Idk. I haven't played the first game, so I got nothing to compare to really. All the other RPGs that I've played that involved making a build never gave me that many viable options.

I feel like I was able to almost fully express my playstyle in the build path I came up with.

[still rock]

No, that's not how the calculation works, it's...
Delay period = 400/(100+r)
r being the sum of all faster start of energy shield recharge

[valid palm]

So I'm content with that.

[still rock]

So 100% would be 2seconds

[velvet blade]

Ah, true. Compared to others ARPGs this is miles beyoned any of their customizability. However, compared to PoE1 it feels rather railroaded.

[mystic shard]

and 200% 0 seconds?