2┃build-planning

[daring jay]

you really wanna stack evasion like crazy

[warped viper]

does anyone know the order penetration, minus res from curses, and exposure is applied in poe 2

[daring jay]

this node too

[warped viper]

along with any other mechanics that also lower res

penetration is the only thing that cant drop res into negative right?

[daring jay]

imma do invoker ES/evasion probably

[maiden karma]

Everything lowers res at once and then penetration happens on the final value

And yes, penetration won't go below 0%

[thin basin]

dd crit ignite 🧑‍🍳

[warped viper]

thanks

[misty shell]

Oh? 50% less evasion scares me until we know the formula. If it's the same as Poe 1 it's definitely insane though.

[pseudo kayak]

invoker getting DR from evasion is crazy

[misty shell]

Stormweaver looks actually insane with double shock + double chill + all damage can shock and chill...

[pseudo kayak]

I'm curious how strong double chill is for CC

[hidden tartan]

@misty shell What do you think about Elemental storm?

[pseudo kayak]

like double chill + temp chains could be pretty slick

[ancient geyser]

true, the numbers will probs be tuned down a bit but it has the most potential out of any other defensive node i've seen so far

or well no i lied, the warbringer shield one looks crazier

[misty shell]

Honestly only looking at melee at the moment, haven't looked at spells

[midnight bolt]

not as sick as chronomancer slow+chill+temp chains

[misty shell]

Bat shit insane if you are hitting hard often enough to sustain.

35% chill x 2 + 42% from temp chains...

They are going to need (or already have) a min action speed on mobs...

[misty shell]

All damage can chill + all damage can shock is very good though.

[maiden karma]

The struggle is unreal

I've always preferred melee, but mace and staff being the only options is really annoying

[midnight bolt]

now add jagged ground on top of it

[thin basin]

fire spell crit + ignite seems viable yea? literally tree node for this

[velvet blade]

Where are you guys seeing the "all damage can chill"?

[ancient geyser]

100%

[maiden karma]

Le*k

[ancient geyser]

stormweaver node

[velvet blade]

Yeah, where do you see it. I only see the shock one

on poe2db

[thin basin]

i assumed so but theres so much stuff to scale and so little skill points

fire damage
crit damage?
crit change?
ignite effect
spell damage?

[ancient geyser]

try youtube stormweaver leaks

[true gulch]

so Gemling doubles your int??

[velvet blade]

Ah, cool. Thank you

[maiden karma]

Stat gains

So 4 mana instead of 2

[ancient geyser]

it's just a matter of time

[velvet blade]

Oh fantastic

Really glad we get to know the ascendencies before starting. Especially since we can't change our choice

[maiden karma]

Okay so what content is good to farm with immortal infernalist?

[ancient geyser]

yeah exactly, most people in reddit were even asking for it according to the poll

[maiden karma]

I'm just gonna zdps starter to get a feel for things

[ancient geyser]

i don't think ascendancies have an important role in the whole discovery aspect, they're just build defining so you know beforehand how you're gonna approach it

[thin basin]

now i just need to know if minion dying count as a corpse otherwise another firespell will have to do it

[midnight bolt]

im glad they leaked, its the only thing imortant to know before release and only because they made it impossible to respec

[ancient geyser]

yee

[pseudo bobcat]

What whaa

No regerts

[loud geyser]

Warbringer nodes are insane dude login

[thin basin]

fireball ignite gaming, login

[maiden karma]

Was thinking about dual wield warbringer

[maiden karma]

You mean fireball bleed

[midnight bolt]

u can respec passives WITHIN ascendency but not change to another

[thin basin]

look its between leech that node and progenesis, maybe that one if no bleed chance is needed, leech if u can leech overflow, progen is just free

[maiden karma]

@midnight bolt well looks like gemling is the way to go for chaos DoT, to actually be able to link up ED contagion properly

[midnight bolt]

hahah

lmfao

thats so depressing

[ancient geyser]

forbidden rite waiting room

5mirror build login

[somber trail]

Where is the Titan one

4ch only had warbringer

[maiden karma]

Maybe demon infernalist can run the trigger setup I came up with before

Titan and WH were leaked a long time ago

[somber trail]

Right but where

[pseudo bobcat]

I like your pfp and banner btw

[maiden karma]

On the Internet

[somber trail]

Welp

[midnight bolt]

wtf

[ancient geyser]

huh

[midnight bolt]

kekw

[ancient geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[midnight bolt]

W rizz

[maiden karma]

[midnight bolt]

[ancient geyser]

you may now kiss

[pseudo bobcat]

Yiss

[maiden karma]

Oh shit

Build idea

Full beidat low life infernalist with every trigger in existence

[near acorn]

Any thoughts on good skills to trigger with CwC or CoC? Or the other ones. I've got plans for enablers (meditate? /raise shield / shield charge for cwc, rain of arrows for coc) but I'm not sure about the best payloads 🤔

[pseudo bobcat]

Wouldn't that depends on if a trigger counts as a cast ?

[maiden karma]

Wut

[pseudo bobcat]

Wouldn't you die if your triggers go too fast? You'd burn through your infernal thing instantly no?

[maiden karma]

Not using that

[native widget]

raise shield lol

[pseudo bobcat]

Oh wait you mean demon mode

[maiden karma]

No

Triple beidat nodes

[true gulch]

can u chill bosses?

[ancient geyser]

yes, and freeze them even

[maiden karma]

Yeah they chillin 😎

[hidden tartan]

Damn I am so broken between Arcane surge and Chill not sure what I prefer lol

[native widget]

My build strongly rely on freezing, if there are boss that have cannot freeze or something im doomed

[near acorn]

The other side! We sit there with our shield raised and auto cast _____?

[native widget]

Yes

[graceful stag]

Trying to find information on how ignite and bleed is calculated does anyone know where 2 find it

[native widget]

Based on hit damage

Dreamcore have video on that

[thin basin]

supposedly u can get flat crit pretty easily, maybe can skip out that node on blood and go for both leech and progen

[graceful stag]

Ty

[misty shell]

#2┃general message

#2┃general message

[thin basin]

if spell can bleed, then if the spell hit hard enough, itll bleed?

[native widget]

Huh

Oh, yeah

[sterile latch]

do we have info about arcane surge plz ?

[native widget]

No

So does crits still have increased chance to freeze in poe2?

[lone temple]

I can see Gemling be a good cast on X
Do we have an vague idea of the amount of spirit we have ?

[alpine vigil]

180

[lone temple]

Thanks, is that base ?

[alpine vigil]

0+30 per act

sceptres can add more, at least 200

can't dual wield them tho

amulets also give some

[lone temple]

so 200 as a base line is not ridiculous for a build

[alpine vigil]

I think it's fine yeah

[velvet blade]

Do you guys think "Gain x% of damage with hits as extra x element damage" applies to your minion hits as well or only you?

[lone temple]

It shouldn't

[gusty bone]

Can this work with MoM or will I still lose life?

[atomic halo]

such modifiers will only affect you unless otherwise specified.

for it to affect minions, it must specify "allies" or "minions" or such.

[pseudo charm]

it should work with MoM

[native widget]

Anyone know?

[lone temple]

You don't have mana, you are dead

[near acorn]

losing life is distinct from taking damage in poe 1

[pseudo charm]

yes and no.
yes because youre doing more dmg so you're more likely to freeze.
no because, just becuase you crit, doesnt mean you freeze. pretty sure.

[atomic halo]

indirectly, yes, because they make the hit deal more damage, which contributes to more freeze buildup.

[lone temple]

no crit do not increase freeze chance per say. It is based on the amount of damage you do. The damage build up the status. So it helps but because you do more damage when you crit

[native widget]

Ok ig

[atomic halo]

not like poe1 where it's just guaranteed

[gusty bone]

Yeah that is what I thought but I remember a presenter saying while in Demon Form you take increasing amount of 'damage' per second. Was he wrong?

[native widget]

Theres not gonna be bosses that have both cannot shock AND cannot freeze right?

[lone temple]

@gusty bone you don't have mana you cant take MoM

[wintry wigeon]

Got a CI question, i get it immunes me to poison. But how about bleeds? Does bleed only apply when hit directly to health so in turn i am "immune" to bleed as long as i have ES available?

[near acorn]

I have no idea -- I'm just reading the text of the effects. MoM says take all damage from mana, this thing you linked says lose life

[gusty bone]

What do you mean I dont have mana, of course I have mana

[near acorn]

PoE 1 rules say that you lose the life

[atomic halo]

yes, you are effectively immune.

[lone temple]

The demon witch works witht the flame thingy that replace mana no ?

[native widget]

Not exactly

[gusty bone]

That node is optional

[lone temple]

ok

[native widget]

If you are somehow 100% phy immune you can bleed with CI

[near acorn]

different nodes

[atomic halo]

wdym

[native widget]

Nah im bullshiting lmao

Just thinking

[atomic halo]

... this is a help channel.

[native widget]

[pseudo charm]

has anyone seen Charged Staff being used? I'm curious of its base shockwave it adds to attacks.

i watched Havoc and Nugis co-op but whoever is playing the monk never uses it.... despite being on the skill bar and having power charges.

edit: how big the aoe of the shockwave that is.

[worthy dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDH3kp1qcnI you can see the ability from this video but the build is outdated also ability animation might change idk

yeah i know its 1 second which sucks xD

it just turns your staff blue

[pseudo charm]

nah. if charged staff is that shockwave that shoots far out, i could work with that.

[worthy dagger]

no thats tempest flurry

the one that shoots out is tempest flurry

[pseudo charm]

no? tempest flurry is just some basic melee attacks. doesnt shoot anything out

[worthy dagger]

+4 melee strike range right?

[pseudo charm]

strike range just means you can hit from further

[worthy dagger]

or is it lightning shockwave?

if so then nvm

[pseudo charm]

im assuming its the lightning shockwave thats shooting out

[worthy dagger]

prob u right

you know anyway to get endurence charges?

[pseudo charm]

havent looked into it much. but i would just do enduring stuns with some skill that has high stun buildup.

[worthy dagger]

hmm alright bc i might just use endurence charges to only get power charges

[pseudo charm]

okay found it. thanks for that video. i skimmed over it completely in the endgame reveal

https://youtu.be/ZpIbaTXJD4g?si=65ut0LnQBXGzJf_f&t=677

you can see in the top left he has a buff for 50~ seconds

thats charged staff. he is also shooting out the shockwaves.

another question is... does Falling Thunder "shotgun"? 🤔

[thin basin]

All im gonna say is

Viable

DDs BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

[velvet blade]

Soo... the node "all damage from hits contributes to shock chance" only applies to your hits and not your minion's hits?

[proven quest]

Depends on where you are on the tree, but the resonance keystone gives endurance instead of power

[native widget]

Wait guys. Can gemling use the same sup on the same skill?

Like twice!

Arc with double chain support

Gonna be busted

[pseudo charm]

most likely no

where do you see that at

[velvet blade]

Nah, it's different skills

[native widget]

☹️

[native widget]

Ascendency node

[velvet blade]

Normally you can only use 1 supp total, that node lets you use max two

[native widget]

Can use sup gem twice

[velvet blade]

Nah

It specifies for different skills

[waxen plinth]

Question. is flicker strike tied to the monk class or can u use this skill gem on any class?

[pseudo charm]

can use on any

you just need a quaterstaff

[waxen plinth]

Any good builds for the flicker on POE 2? i know theory crafting is what will need to be cause game is not out. but curious if anyone came up with a way around the cant gain a power charge while using the skill effect

[pseudo charm]

people have thought of using the keystone Resonance which makes you gain power charges instead of frenzy.
CoC Snipers Mark. Which gets consumed when you crit the target giving you a frenzy charge, which turns into a power charge.

[shrewd socket]

any guesses if there will be nodes like that for fire and cold too?

[lone temple]

There is leaks that say otherwise for gemling but it is leak so true/false who knows

[velvet blade]

True

[native widget]

maybe

[thin basin]

heres the move, more/less stuff depending on sockets and all the new unleaked/not shown gems

[tidal furnace]

Is it just me or is the Titans 50% increase to passive skills probably the most busted thing.

[native widget]

I think it might be the ascension nodes

Other wise its pretty busted

[velvet blade]

Either that or maybe the attribute nodes don't count as small passive nodes

[native widget]

Even in that case it would be ridiculously busted

[tidal furnace]

If its the ascension nodes the ascendency seems kinda dull to me.

even without stats it's stronger than a Might of the Meek Jewel which still seems nuts

[velvet blade]

true

[pastel forge]

Since malice costs no reservation...isnt this just free?

[velvet blade]

We might just not have the info on how much it reserves yet

[tidal furnace]

I highly doubt there are just free persistent buffs

Idk I feel like a lot of the ascendencies feel underwhelming and then others seem completly insane

[pastel forge]

Supposedly the weapon spells and minions are free to cast, we'll have to see I guess

Chrono seems specifically for cool down enjoyers but still seems underwhelming

Bloodmage and stormweavers are really good so far

[tidal furnace]

like Gemling Legionaire seems like its some of the most Broken at a fundamental level.

[velvet blade]

Yeah, kind disappointed that chono doesn't have some cool effects with damaging ailments

[tidal furnace]

Chronomancer might make a decent defensive support type build

[plucky copper]

How does poison work in PoE2? If I crit with some chaos dmg do I get 100% chance to poison?

[velvet blade]

Or turning spell hits into damage over time or something

[pastel forge]

Bloodmage is so juicy tho

[tidal furnace]

Bloodmage is probably what I'm playing or Titan if that node is right

[pastel forge]

15% base crit is basically 66.67% more crit on 9% base spells

Woowee

[tidal furnace]

yeah 15% base crit is insane.

[native widget]

yeahh

ridiculous node

[tidal furnace]

15% base crit, Double life, Spell leech, Baby Progenis

[pastel forge]

And elemental bleed

[native widget]

im tempted to go bloodmage, but stormweaver is so much better for mana stacking

[pastel forge]

Lemme shock yo ass and bleed

[thin basin]

no, let me ignite you then bleed you for double dot dip

[velvet blade]

Seems really good with heald of thunder. Can't shock but could still apply bleeds

[pastel forge]

Either bloodmage or stormweaver works tbh

[native widget]

why the hell would you give up shock, and why the hell would you use attacks instead of spells

[velvet blade]

For the memes

[native widget]

what, muscle goth GF meme?

[velvet blade]

Nah, silly build meme

[tidal furnace]

because it's POE, although If I wanted to go ele melee Id go Invoker.

[pastel forge]

But you probably want eternal youth on bloodmage to mitigate the life costs

On a archmage/mom build

[native widget]

i mean, bloodmage accendency is basically locked tight into 4 nodes, sanguimancy, vitality siphon, gore spike, sunder the flesh

like, what you are gonna give up for bleed

[pastel forge]

Well, eternal youth mom can give up on siphon imo

[native widget]

ig...

10% spell leech is nuts tho

like, i wouldnt give it up

[thin basin]

can give up flat crit if u rrunning that

[pastel forge]

Eternal youth baseline gives you 250hp/s recharge on 2k HP, not counting recharge passives

[tidal furnace]

If there are other ways to leech from spells idd give up spell leech for

[pastel forge]

MoM ensures you will always be recharging on hp

Unless you get hit so bad all your mana is burned up ofc

[tidal furnace]

Mana Remnants, Problem solved

[pastel forge]

But yea

Being able to spawn life remnants on crit is huge

[magic prairie]

Does stormweaver “every hit contributes to shock chance” useless if you’re pure lightning? Or does it inherently increase shock chance even with lightning skills?

[native widget]

Wait what? Do you just have to not get hit on hp? I thought even if you get hit on mana the recharge would stop

[native widget]

Yes useless

[magic prairie]

Ty

[native widget]

Wait what

No

I read that the other way around

It would be useless IF you are pure lightning

[magic prairie]

Yeah that’s the way I meant it I asked that kind of stupidly

[tidal furnace]

the way i read it, everything shocks

[native widget]

Yeah, any HIT will shock

Which means aliment damage and dot will not

[pastel forge]

Es recharge is specifically about es taking dmg, since EY redirects recharge to HP, it would make sense that HP recharge is only interrupted by dmg to hp

[native widget]

Possibly

[distant dome]

Does this "Base critical hit chance" node, mean that spells that had less than 15% crit chance, are brought up to 15% base crit chance, but spells that already had 15% base crit chance gain nothing?

[native widget]

There aint a spell with 15 base crit lol

[pastel forge]

Yea it's pointless for bonestorm

[native widget]

Wait there is?

💀

[pastel forge]

It's already base 15 iirc

[native widget]

Damn alright i take that back

[distant dome]

fml

k

[native widget]

Yeah it would do nothing

[pastel forge]

Good news is that you now have 2 more ascendancy to spend

[native widget]

If your spell somehow has more than 15% it would be a negative effect

[distant dome]

Bonestorm is the the Bread-and-butter skill I'm looking to use

[tidal furnace]

ooh free point if you go with those skills

[distant dome]

ye

[native widget]

Ye

[distant dome]

kanye.gif

[native widget]

Prob get bleed or one of the defensive node

[pastel forge]

So you can technically go siphon, gore spike, ele bleed

On bonestorm build

[distant dome]

yeah

I have NO IDEA how to rate ele bleed

like

what even

do

blood everywhere

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?

[pastel forge]

You still gain 10% of dmg as phy

[tidal furnace]

Fire skill+ ele Bleed

[native widget]

🤣🤣🤣

[thin basin]

fire ball ignite bleed

[native widget]

Wait what

[pastel forge]

It's free dmg either way

[thin basin]

well fire ball

it ignites

it bleeds

[native widget]

Oh

[thin basin]

profits

[pastel forge]

You can build fire bloodmage yea

Dual dots

[native widget]

You could, ig

[thin basin]

just how many nodes on the tree is "increase damage over time"

[tidal furnace]

Then grab the Ignite explosion Node, and watch everyone die

[native widget]

but i think it will be better when conboed with shock, especially with those low crit spells like arc

To maximize profit from 15 base crit

[distant dome]

Base 15% crit on spells, could increase the crit chance on... Zombies..

[thin basin]

brittle and crit weakness instead easy

[barren cargo]

https://poe2skills.com/share?data=N4IgdghgtgpiBcIDCALCB7AzgAgOoEsAXAYxRABoQAjAV3wBsATBAbVEwGsH6ERj0whCAHN8AiiEw0ADtPQAnQplZ80WbFAiZCMeQE8Jc-JgHZSEMMTiV+8+VjFgJERoxiMzanI2gi4AXQBfcnYueh5EN0xpCHx5CSlZBSUVFBh8YRQdMHczGnlMaxA3Ygg9fDBhbDSADwl8KGkYMEYKqsZ0dCgQIJDJMIjiiHkObBgAM3GMg0pEuUVleBZe0O5eYXkG7HGYLUIEmXmUpZX+tcRpe3GLGGxNwhoIHlnD5MWWPnphohm+BWlCmYBIV5AA3CCERw9YKrcK8TgwegwIT0bCYMD4JrxF5JBYqKAVRwaPa6X6ImCwQRPbDDKC-WnofJjGrSegOcSnTjnMA0cI4o7vTkDeEcckou67UG6A6444fKhI3LmSxFBUVZiUKjyGgon4SWCK7DSFB6TD4UqonyaYQBGFnOGIeSxQEALy6VHwRTmbxUO3cbW28maLoMQSCQA

[distant dome]

vitality siphon seems kind of weird if Leech can't overflow but picking up the orbs on the ground can

also, I have no idea how to rate the value of infiinite curse duration as a PoE noob

[tidal furnace]

I wonder if it leeches into your overflow

[distant dome]

if it can overflow then 100% am getting it

[tidal furnace]

as a POE Veteran I deem it as useless

[lapis raptor]

the more i read acolyte monk the better it is

[tidal furnace]

but its a different game, and I might want them to last forever because curse mechanics have changed

[lapis raptor]

invoker def gonna be glass cannon CoC build. But dude dark monk is gonna be good i feel

[tidal furnace]

@lapis raptor Idk I think you lose a lot as acolyte

no more spirit, can you reserve Darkness?

[native widget]

no

[lapis raptor]

ill be going mom/es

[tidal furnace]

if so you're eating into your new defense layer

[lapis raptor]

and use low to reserve

[distant dome]

they have stats for unreserved darkness don't they?

so it can be reserved

[brave canopy]

@distant dome you here to, nice

[tidal furnace]

it reserbes as you get hit

instead of your health

[velvet blade]

Do you guys think the curses spread by hex bloom reset their duration or would it spread the same curse until it's duration ran out?

[tidal furnace]

but its only 600 Darkness unless you can increase that number somehow

[velvet blade]

Really wish this was maximum darkness... Having your damage go down when you take damage doesn't sound fun.

[tidal furnace]

600 darkness at max level

[violet grove]

What is/are flames of chayula?

[midnight bolt]

darkness is the bait

flame of chayula is huge 140% of damage added as chaos dmg

insane recovery

[velvet blade]

Oh wtf really

[native widget]

Yeah darkness hella bait

[wintry wigeon]

Curses and marks are separate yes? So one of each can be applied without anything enabling additional curses. But snipers mark has both tags. Does it mean it takes both those slots?

[midnight bolt]

its 70% per first node and then 140% with the follow up double

[tidal furnace]

yeah the stacking Chayula is nuts but you gotta spawn and find the right ones for that 140% damage

[midnight bolt]

true

[velvet blade]

Yeah, those might be rare spawns

[midnight bolt]

so it depends on 1)if stacks refresh 2) how often they spawn

[tidal furnace]

chayula seems like itll have peaks and valleys which id rather not rely on

[midnight bolt]

if they dont refresh then its probably a bait

[velvet blade]

Pretty... chaotic

[tidal furnace]

when I need that damage im probably getting my ass kicked

[native widget]

Any description of the breach skill in chaos monk?

[tidal furnace]

yeah its where the flames come from

[lapis raptor]

so hear me out lucid dreaming+into the breach and the instant leeech. You get 20 quality on breachand its cd becomes like .78 or something. Then when you pick up the flames ull get 14% instant mana/es. So MoM you dont even need to get a bunch of leech. Go chaos/cold Build

[midnight bolt]

wait quality? on ascendency skill???

wtf

[tidal furnace]

yeah

[midnight bolt]

do we have to use gemcutters?

lol

[native widget]

Ig...

But holy shit yeah this looks real strong

[tidal furnace]

gotta flip em

[midnight bolt]

pretty cool design imagine eating up gcp

[lapis raptor]

haha

[native widget]

🤣

[lapis raptor]

Idk thats my idea atm

[native widget]

Sounds like what gemling would do tho

[lapis raptor]

that way u dont need the leech and can scale ele damage

[cinder cedar]

ngl minion builds looking like 2nd class citizens again

[tidal furnace]

I wonder what the CD is on into the breach, I know it doesn't show one but without one its honestly busted

[distant dome]

yeah, been working a bunch on witch stuff

[atomic halo]

no leaks discussion rn

[native widget]

Lol

[atomic halo]

wait until ggg releases

[midnight bolt]

ripp

[distant dome]

it looks like decaying hex will run out though

[pastel forge]

Since the first bloodmage node is a skill gem, you could just throw on vitality/clarity for free since it doesn't reserve spirit

[distant dome]

even if curse has infinite duration

RIP the clickbait dream

[native widget]

🥺🥺pleeeaase?

[distant dome]

what is the gem? I r noob

[velvet blade]

I wonder if decaying hex is per curse

[tidal furnace]

@atomic halo sorry I was going off this

[pastel forge]

The one that forces life costs on you

It's technically a skill gem

[atomic halo]

that should have never been posted

[distant dome]

oh

persistant buff?

that'd be cool

[pastel forge]

Ye

Watch bloodmage get nerfs within the first week

[cinder cedar]

I wonder if theres any aura gems or is only via sceptres?

[midnight bolt]

blood mage, warmonger and chronomommy top 3 tanky acsendencies

[velvet blade]

Having to run around and pick up flames that spawn every second seems like strange gameplay especially if you're melee

[tidal furnace]

Ok then yall have fun with discussing with incomplete information I guess

[native widget]

100% will

[native widget]

Thats the fun of it, duh

[distant dome]

what part do people think needs nerf?

[native widget]

Increased Crit

Damage

[tidal furnace]

increased crit is a leak topic cant discuss that

[velvet blade]

damage

[native widget]

I meant gore spike

[tidal furnace]

double life pool, with massive Life leech alone is gonna make it a pretty difficult to kill ascendency

[distant dome]

does increasing crit damage change the math calculation? Like change the value of the crit multiplier? or is it just comparable to additive damage increases

[pastel forge]

Eh depends on how much HP you can actually get tho

[native widget]

Not really double life

You will basically never have double life up

[tidal furnace]

why not?

[native widget]

Cuz you need to spend hp to cast🤣

[tidal furnace]

as many mobs die just keep grabbing em

[native widget]

Unless you do some minion build

[tidal furnace]

Only if your skills cost mana

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[native widget]

Well, its not confirmed mechanic yet

[thorny path]

Increased Critical Damage Bonus is the poe2 version of Critical Strike Multiplier from poe1. Has some changes to it as well

[pastel forge]

Base crit is +100%

[native widget]

What changes

[tidal furnace]

I believe theres a 3rd crit stat now

[native widget]

So is it multiplicative or additive?

[pastel forge]

So 2k HP would make that 200% or x3 on crit

[static plinth]

You can have More crit now

[distant dome]

oh, so STR witch is going to be broken, got it

[native widget]

Hey, nothing is broken if everything is broken

[tidal furnace]

Going to the left anyway for Blood magic

[thorny path]

A crit isn't a multiplier of damage, it's a bonus on top of normal damage, which changes what kind of modifiers they can have for it

[native widget]

Except melee ofc, nerf melee

[severe oracle]

too many builds seem fun.

[native widget]

too little time

[tidal furnace]

we have 6 months gotta play em all

[severe oracle]

i'm only human. i can't play them all at once

[thorny path]

Anyways a lot of Blood Mage witches and Chayula monks are gonna be future victims of leech resist

I wish I could be here to witness the cope

[native widget]

doesnt matter for chaos monk

instant leech go past that

[thorny path]

lol

[tidal furnace]

wait what?!

[thorny path]

future victim of leech resist

[distant dome]

Bloodmage face tank ideas

it's so far tho

[native widget]

meh

[tidal furnace]

can yall help me find Zealot's inquisition on the tree... wait is the tree allowed?

@midnight bolt shh no talk about it bad

[native widget]

shh you gonna be banned by mods

[midnight bolt]

ripp

welp, let the guy cope

[tidal furnace]

nvm found it its a witch hunter node

[static plinth]

Would damage to ES interrupt Eternal Youth?

[indigo magnet]

Hey guys I’m new to poe 2 I tried playing 1 today. Correct me if I’m wrong, are skills based off thoes gems you socket? There’s no skill tree like in Diablo ? Thanks. Will poe2 be the same?

[thorny path]

poor lady still coping about leech resist, unlucky

[woven sinew]

Honestly could be fun

[thorny path]

Yes that's correct, skills come from gems

[bold raft]

Yes it will be similar,
But gems no longer go into gear
They have a separate screen for skills where you put the gems into

[woven sinew]

Bloodmage is going to be hella tanky I feel

[indigo magnet]

Are there really rare gems for skills? I watched a video and I thought I saw the character have skills already and put support gems in. But idk

[midnight bolt]

wait for devs to show their full tree, leech resist can be bypassed 🙂

[woven sinew]

So why not do the shotgun

[native widget]

skill gems shouldnt be too rare

[indigo magnet]

My second part was about poe2 about seeing skills that tab

[midnight bolt]

no, the whole gem system is vastly superior and more accessable than poe1, so itll be great for new players

[thorny path]

Once you get an uncut skill gem, you can use it to obtain any skill you want, so there aren't any rare skill gems

[woven sinew]

It would take my build concept 8 skill points of just stats ti get there

[indigo magnet]

Awesome

[woven sinew]

Nearby is clean shot. and some projectile damage nodes. I am doing a bone storm so it could be worth pathing there

[velvet blade]

Would "40% reduced damage" only apply to your damage and not minion damage?

[native widget]

from what

[velvet blade]

Apocalypse notable

[native widget]

your damage i think

[native widget]

minion prob not affected

[velvet blade]

dope

[static plinth]

What would happen if you took a Beidat node from Infernalist and have CI?

[pastel forge]

Gain nothing I assume

[indigo magnet]

How do you get the identity scrolls

[static plinth]

Definitely gain nothing but im wondering if you just. Die

[indigo magnet]

To identify magic items

[velvet blade]

spooky guy in town

[static plinth]

Sell a transmutation or alteration orb for 4, or they'll just drop from enemies

[outer marlin]

Are aura bots gonna be a thing in poe 2 or not? I remember hearing in a podcast that it won't be but I can't find anything else on it

[bold raft]

You get them as loot
Or you can sell normal items to vendors to get them

[indigo magnet]

I was in act 1 and ran out of I needed them for gems

[static plinth]

You should go to #1┃new-player-in-campaign-help

[indigo magnet]

Thanks boys. Appreciate it. Looking forward to playing the game with everyone on the 6th

[distant dome]

it's not as far when considering that I'll likely be going to Lust for Power to help solve Power Charge issues

and this is on the way

[woven sinew]

Yuuuup

Lust for power is too good

[atomic halo]

erm leaks

[indigo magnet]

Does stats work like in Diablo. Strgth for increases life and melee dmg? Dex. Int?

[native widget]

huh

[atomic halo]

getting nuked until ggg posts

[shrewd socket]

ups

[native widget]

thats released

[subtle lichen]

Is it true that each support gem can only be socketed once per character?

[atomic halo]

oh, am i mistaken?

[atomic halo]

yes

[shrewd socket]

was about to say. they already confirmed it

[native widget]

yes

[shrewd socket]

it will get released today

[native widget]

you need to apologize to the man

[atomic halo]

but has it been released?

[native widget]

and restore his message

[bold raft]

Don't think you are,
Don't think we had specifics of the demon form

[shrewd socket]

no but its confirmed to be released today

[atomic halo]

yeah then wait

[shrewd socket]

[atomic halo]

whew almost was wrong once

never happening

[distant dome]

I think I aslked ealrier today, but it's been a long day. What's your solution so far for power charges? mine is Cast while channeling + Power offering + multiple charges + Lust for power

[woven sinew]

Power Offering->Cast on minion death->multiple charges->less duration

Plus lust for power

[sterile latch]

do we know if charges have a duration in poe 2 ?

[distant dome]

somoene said Power offering might not work with Cast on Minion death, since the pillar it spawns may be considered a minion D:

[woven sinew]

Oh nooooooo

[bold raft]

They do

[distant dome]

obviously if it does work, this isn't as much of an issue

I was originally going to tie all three offeringto ComD

[subtle lichen]

Support gem can only be use once huh, seems frustrating but interesting to build as well 🤔

[serene flicker]

unless you gemling

[native widget]

you can play gemling instead and use the sup gems twice

[woven sinew]

Honestly I can swap for cast while channeling as well as my primary is bonestorm

[native widget]

(i speculate)

[subtle lichen]

What? gemling is the exception?

[native widget]

yeah (i speculate)

[subtle lichen]

Gemling seems getting stronger and stronger

[distant dome]

Raise shield might count as a channeled spell btw

sooo

lul

[native widget]

yeah

[subtle lichen]

And it does not restrict as well

[woven sinew]

I want the 15% crit of the bonestorm😏

[distant dome]

Does this mean my bonestorm (with pierce) can go through an enemy, bounce of terrain, then come back and hit that same enemy?

[woven sinew]

Oooooo

[pastel forge]

Allegedly*

[native widget]

sure

[woven sinew]

Not bloodmage

[distant dome]

bonestorm already has 15% crit. It's mostly the Crit Damage (multiplier increase) you get

oooh

ll

kk

[woven sinew]

That’s what I meant to put lol

[distant dome]

misread

I tired

[static plinth]

Assuming there's 0.15s inbetween the hits yeah

[distant dome]

yes, what my lawyer said. Allegedly. I'm sorry your honor, I was a bit flustered

[woven sinew]

Ooooooo

Do you know if the explosion of power charges bone storm will create projectiles, or just be a boom?

[distant dome]

No idea

at all

0

0 divided by -10

[woven sinew]

I think it’ll send the shrapnel out in a radius

[thorny path]

When the normal projectiles land, they explode

It's just a boom

[distant dome]

but what if we had pierce

[thorny path]

idk

[distant dome]

and if that pierce, then ricocheted and hit the target again, while the target had the bonestorm debufff

[woven sinew]

What is more likely? The boom will apply secondary effects in the radius or just apply the damage if the hit + secondary damage as the boom?

[thorny path]

It's a ground targeted skill tho I think

The witch showcase made it seem that way

[distant dome]

you're thinking of unearth

I think

the one that consumes corpses and makes minions

[distant eagle]

there somewhere with info on how ground effects work with things like projectiles?

[thorny path]

No I'm talking about bone storm

[distant dome]

oh

it looked like a wave of projectiles to me

[mighty basin]

Can you mix cold/lightning damage with gain damage as chaos damage will it still do elemental ailments such chill/shock?

[thorny path]

I'll rewatch it

[distant dome]

thx

[native widget]

yes

[thorny path]

The original cold/lightning damage is still there so yes

[woven sinew]

I checked, hard to tell ?

[mighty basin]

Will it increases the damage output with chaos damage?

[thorny path]

I was wrong I think, it just hit a staircase that's why I thought it was ground targeted

[woven sinew]

Yeah that’s what I’m seeing as well

Had the same thought lmao

“Oh it hit the ground there…oh it hit an enemy there…..ohhhhh staircase.”

[distant dome]

Z axis fail

[native widget]

so can you just keep charging bonestorm lmao

like charging it forever

[woven sinew]

If it’s the latter I’d want you scale power charges even more

[thorny path]

The chaos damage is added as extra damage so strictly speaking yes it will increase your damage output

[distant dome]

Go full DBZ powerup? that'd be amazing

[thorny path]

However, you have to build for chaos damage for it to be an actual noticeable boost

With how conversion/damage as extra effects work now

[woven sinew]

This is the first time I’ve ever tried to make a build. This is fun

[mighty basin]

Thanks for the info mate @thorny path

[woven sinew]

Please that would be funny

[distant dome]

at the top of tree to the east, there's this node, which can help with power charges even more

[woven sinew]

What form of defense are you going to do for your build?

[native widget]

holy shit

[distant dome]

this could be like ~17% more power charges

[native widget]

oh actually,

ok

would be really broken if it can refund all energy spent

[thorny path]

Have you guys maybe thought about the possibility of selfcasting Power Offering instead

[woven sinew]

I’m too dumb to understand how that works. Is that for the cast while channeling power offering?

[distant dome]

Not sure yet. Already we want all the health in the world, but dropping below max HP directly affects our damage

[woven sinew]

Str stack?

[distant dome]

I mean... maybe

[woven sinew]

Don’t see too many easy life nodes near us.

[native widget]

just go MoM and some ES on top of that

[distant dome]

there should be 0 life nodes on EA release

[native widget]

and you will never go below max hp

[distant dome]

at least, that's what they said in some interview

removed HP from tree

[woven sinew]

I thought I saw some in the tree

[thorny path]

skill lifecosts will always be removed from life, mom doesn't change that

MoM makes actual damage be taken from mana, not life removed as a cost

[distant dome]

yeah, probably outdated info IMO

[static plinth]

There are 4

One grouping around STR leaning STRINT

[woven sinew]

Look up the skill Titan Binding. Impossible far away on the tree but if we get a ton of life that could be an easier defensive layer.

[static plinth]

Good ol Anointing

[knotty spruce]

Man seeing the rest of the chronomancer nodes and my ideas are runnin

[static plinth]

Nothin beats that

[distant dome]

@woven sinew I might be using Mobility as a "tank" support gem (stay mobile while casting = get hit less) then combining it with Momentum to gain 40 More damaage from having moved

'

on bonestorm

[woven sinew]

Hmmmm that would work

What are your support gems for the bone zone?

[native widget]

should work

[distant dome]

Should work, but is it worth the -20% damage? dunno

[native widget]

wdym

[static plinth]

Gem levels are one of our main scalars right?

[woven sinew]

Wouldn’t it be +20% if you move?

[distant dome]

eh, tons of things that add damage, skill ranks, or armour breaking

[thorny path]

That's net 12% more damage

[knotty spruce]

Anyone know what "In your presence" means in actual practical range lol

[thorny path]

in exchange of moving 2 meters first

[static plinth]

8 meters in 1

[thorny path]

and 2 supports

[distant dome]

0.8 x 1.4 = 1.12. It's a pretty huge loss

[static plinth]

Which is about screen-wide

[woven sinew]

I see

[distant dome]

Or you could got 1.4 x 1.35 and end up with 1.89

in the same slots

[knotty spruce]

Hmm gotcha tempted to try something with temporal chains and the new chronomancer node

Slow mfs into oblivion

0 action speed

[static plinth]

Ugh my mind tells me to manastack but my heart tells me that manastacking is the enemy

[distant dome]

Mobility could lose it's "20% less damage" and still be pretty bad because it doesn't say "+35% damage"

[static plinth]

Oh shit Recoup is in the game

Blood MAge stonks

I mean

Theoretically

If Blood Mage happened to get something like Progenesis in theory

[woven sinew]

In theory yeah that could be strong

[distant dome]

Can you rank up support gems?

[thorny path]

No

[distant dome]

k

[bold raft]

Don't think so no

[static plinth]

Heavy Snow + Temporal Chains

Curse of -90% action speed

[knotty spruce]

• new node? Man i cant wait

[distant dome]

cuz if mobility releases with "20% less damage" it's likely only going to be used on... utility skills that don't do damage

[knotty spruce]

Spamming abilities stunning slowing making bosses depressed

Does chilled affect action speed as well?

[thorny path]

It's action speed, yes

in poe1 at least

[static plinth]

I think im gonna build an Avatar of Fire archmage infernalist

[native widget]

ahhh

whos gonna tell him

[static plinth]

What

Im not taking Infernal Flame

[thorny path]

Avatar of Fire doesn't really mesh with archmage well imo

[proven quest]

I think it would be ok? Biggest problem would be finding the other 25% conversion

[velvet blade]

Do we know how arcane surge works yet?

[hoary plover]

might be different values, but in poe1 its a mana regen and cast speed buff

[native widget]

aparantly 10% more cast speed, 20% more mana regen

allegedly

[tacit kayak]

@daring jay you got your wish for some monk leaks, what're your thoughts on the new invoker ascendancy nodes?

[static plinth]

More cast speed? Zoinks

[velvet blade]

Ooo, it's more not increased?

[daring jay]

hahaha

[native widget]

yeah allegedly

[daring jay]

i think its good

[velvet blade]

daaang

[daring jay]

i really want to know what exactly the skills do. no leaks showed them hovering over them

[velvet blade]

Apparently GGG decided to release ascendencies since so many leaks came out so they'll probably include the hovers

[woven sinew]

They’re not released yet

AFAIK

So be warned less you get nuked

[velvet blade]

Yeah, not yet but they said they plan to

[tidal furnace]

yeah I got told not to discuss it

here

[tacit kayak]

What's your plan for release? x2 monk both ascendancies?

[tidal furnace]

which kinda put a kink In my planning

[woven sinew]

Until they’re released it’s a nuke in chat haha

I mean view it this way. We wouldn’t be able to discuss it anyway if itit weren’t for the leaks

[pastel forge]

Just schizo-plan in yer mind

[woven sinew]

So not being able to talk about it is just status quo for now

[tidal furnace]

either way my Blood mage will be very tanky and very hurty

[bronze crane]

how much they said is life from strength

[daring jay]

nah im gonna try monk (for a while hopefully if me build works) then sorceress and warrior

[native widget]

2 per

[daring jay]

dont really care about the rest

[bronze crane]

2 life per 1 strength?

[native widget]

yes

[tacit kayak]

Is the plan flicker strike with chayula or invoker at this stage? @daring jay

[bronze crane]

this is poe 1 some one mentioned 4 times more but i think i miss heard

[tidal furnace]

Im having trouble deciding between Bloodmage, Invoker, and Titan

[daring jay]

ahhh thats what you meant. imma do invoker 100% i dont wanna play go pick up orbs from the ground haha

and who knows how good mana leech is

might be busted though

[tidal furnace]

I need to see what the invokers skills do actually before I commit to it

[tacit kayak]

Agreed, invoker gameplay looks way more fun!

[daring jay]

yes :D

[tidal furnace]

I just kinda have an obsession with triggered skills

Invoker with the Redacted might be the only path for easy Trigger builds early on

ooh wait

[tacit kayak]

I see what you did there 🙃

[tidal furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/fizzer1k-5597-3689-move-along-nothing-to-seehere-gif-12353147

[daring jay]

xDD

only thing im wandering if you can get enough crit rate since there isnt a lot on the tree

since "certain" thing proc on crit

[native widget]

meh

[tidal furnace]

I don't imagine it being to hard but they did say getting 100% crit would be a bit more of an investment

[native widget]

not a bit more lmao, like a LOT more

[daring jay]

is there other sources of crit rate beside passive tree and supports?

[tidal furnace]

curse I believe

and gear of course

[daring jay]

trueee

gear?

can you get that ohhhh

[woven sinew]

You could also do the inevitable crit support until you get that investment

I’m going to do that with my blood mage

[pastel forge]

Spell crit yea on wands/staves

Don't expect to see a lot tho

[woven sinew]

What range are we thinking?

[pastel forge]

I think the lv90 staff in the ball lightning video has like 20% or less?

[daring jay]

20% damnn

thats nothing haha

and its not "more" right? only increased

[pastel forge]

They did say they tonned down crit chance a lot

[daring jay]

damnn

[pastel forge]

The alleged crit chance base passive in bloodmage is strong tho

[daring jay]

like lets say you got 10% crit by default, then that would only bring it to 12. 2% crit haha

[native widget]

yes

[daring jay]

hahaha

[pastel forge]

And I assume you can get at least 2 crit rate nodes on the smaller passives, maybe

[strong smelt]

Critical weakness is +10% base crit

[pastel forge]

On the tree itself I can only count roughly 77% crit

[strong smelt]

Brittle is 6% base crit

[daring jay]

ohhh

and those scale with +increased critical chance also?

[pastel forge]

Think it's just flat

From weakness/brittle

[daring jay]

but damn i can only see like a small handful of skills/supports that give those and they are very niche

[velvet blade]

Would comet's "+1 second to total cast time" be applied after any reductions to the base cast time of 1 second?

And not be effected by faster casting?

[woven sinew]

Allegedly it would be a tough sell still. You don’t get it without trading equally beneficial options

[sullen berry]

I have a weird idea that keeps me sleepless so I recorded it. Any ideas? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fOc93l9C4U

[pastel forge]

I think it's fine for bloodmage, you should be able to reach 150% crit chance with gear and such, on 15% base that's 37.5%, with malice that's 47.5%

[woven sinew]

I did the math. There’s about spell 70% crit chance nodes available for the witch

[pastel forge]

Also with 2k HP that's x3 dmg on crit without accounting for other cdmg

[daring jay]

uhhh nice

do you know how practical "elemental invocation" is in a boss fight? i dont imagine you get to proc many ailments

[woven sinew]

Which is why I think inevitable crit will be mandatory for a lot of blood mage crit builds

Leaving it uncapped could also give you moment of truth

[native widget]

there we go

[woven sinew]

Which is an extra 25% crit damage increase

[native widget]

@atomic halosuck it bloon

now we can talk about it

[atomic halo]

courageous saying that to a mod

[sullen berry]

that depends if 2 orbs shocking count or the one that casts new shock after its removed by conduit. 10 embers nuke every 5-6 casts doesnt sound bad at all

[atomic halo]

i was just following orders anyway

[woven sinew]

Okay I think the base 15% crit chance for spells for bloodmage is going to be bait

[atomic halo]

deleting all that was annoying

[native widget]

why

[woven sinew]

You lose out on equally powerful options imo

[daring jay]

mate they literally just posted this

and it legit says nothing about the spell

[daring jay]

uhhh not bad :D

[tidal furnace]

Yeah so Bloodmage gives 15% base crit

I can say what I Want NOW!!!

[daring jay]

another one. Like give the blue text so we can actually see what it does.....

[tidal furnace]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3592012

[sullen berry]

its old

[native widget]

why is the temporal rift literally just ekko ult from LOL

[woven sinew]

Ooooo they changed gore spikes

[true gulch]

do we know what arcane surge does? 10% more cast spd and 10% more mana reg?

[woven sinew]

1% per 40 life

[sullen berry]

it doing ailment stuff will add a lot of energy for trigger too

[native widget]

lmao damnn

[woven sinew]

Huge nerf

[thorny path]

Is this not poe1

[native widget]

literally nerfed by half

wowow

[woven sinew]

Still worth it? Maybe

But that’s a huge huge nerf

[distant dome]

Sanguine power is “buff” and not “persistent buff” so.. vitality might not work with it

[static plinth]

Oh my god Elemental Expression is Wild Strike

[daring jay]

on what ascendancy?

[woven sinew]

Blood mage

[distant dome]

Blood mage

[woven sinew]

I think it’ll still be strong

[daring jay]

oh damn i see

Jesus yeah

[native widget]

nerf by half is crazy

[daring jay]

imagine if they didnt post those and you just went into EA without knowing your class got nerfed already

xD

[woven sinew]

Hahaha I’d cry

[sullen berry]

It seems to work similar though. Anyway even if numbers in details are different, you will have a nice energy boost once in a while

[woven sinew]

Because I would totally ascend without reading

[static plinth]

Ooo two marks on Deadeye

[native widget]

anyways, my alleged info on arcane surge is correct

[static plinth]

So what does breaking armour do if it can go negative?

[native widget]

its 10% more cast speed 20% more mana regen

[thorny path]

Nothing got nerfed

[thin basin]

yessir

[thorny path]

They were never out to begin with

Literally impossible to be nerfed

[thin basin]

new wording for the ele bleed

[static plinth]

No way its real

[woven sinew]

Shush

[woven sinew]

The

Can it be? Is it back?

[native widget]

wait so actually, it only adds 19 inv slots

[static plinth]

Not what that means lmao

[native widget]

🤣

[woven sinew]

Unless the chest is 21 slots

[native widget]

literally what it means

[static plinth]

I cant believe i get to make fun of people for having an inventory management skill issue

[pastel forge]

Gore spikes was officially revealed as 1% per 20hp, so it was indeed nerfed

Everything else is free game

[static plinth]

MIGHT OF THE MEEK REAL?

[woven sinew]

Bloodmage nation, how are we feeling?

[native widget]

anyone found anymore changes?

[distant dome]

Infernalist gets a ton of spirit?

[woven sinew]

Nooooooo way

[static plinth]

Doesnt seem like a ton but a good chunk

[pastel forge]

Bloodmage still good imo, I just don't know how good the bleed node is now

Like does having some phy dmg from that allow you to bleed?

Not sure how it works

[woven sinew]

I think you can get 200 spirit from it by end of acts/early naps potentially

[woven sinew]

I think it just increases whatever magnitude is

[regal zenith]

Even after "nerf" those looks interesting to play around~

[daring jay]

those got nerfed too? xDDD

damnn

[static plinth]

Okay so, i go Altered Flesh, Beidat's Gaze, Beidat's Hand, Demonic Possession, Grinning Immolation
Then i grab Mind Over Matter and Eternal Youth
Am i cooking?

[woven sinew]

Dann you beta testers

For finding the strong stuff

[regal zenith]

There was 50% chance of base block Т_Т

[static plinth]

Its too bad i need all 3 Beidat nodes to activate Pain Attunement

[pseudo kayak]

@pastel forge You think blood mage crit is better than stormweaver with it's super surge?

for the archmage build

[shrewd socket]

lose 1% max life or current? its current right?

[distant dome]

That’s two more meta gems if so. Big.

[static plinth]

Max life, otherwise it would never hurt you

[daring jay]

might honestly be insane until you get enough crit chance to viably proc coc

only for mapping though

[static plinth]

After 100 seconds you are losing 100% of your maximum life

[daring jay]

nvm

haha

[woven sinew]

Every 1k life is 40 spirit 5k life 200 spirit

[native widget]

yeah prob good for mapping

[regal zenith]

Considering that we now have just one death per map, only masochists will pick that node

[shrewd socket]

thats wrong?

it stacks

[woven sinew]

It’ll probably act like the Oni.

[static plinth]

...Thats what i said?

[shrewd socket]

that means i lose 10% max life after 10 sekunds

[static plinth]

Yeah

[shrewd socket]

the 10th tick will be 10%

[static plinth]

Thats literally what i said

If you take Darkness Mastered you have a cap of 10

Otherwise its uncapped

[shrewd socket]

no

you dont unterstand xD

you will lose 10% on the 10th tick

just think about it

[static plinth]

Yes and then 11% on the 11th

[pastel forge]

Offensively I think bloodmage is still slightly better due to how crit scales, but stormweaver is still a solid alternative if you go for non-crit, double shock arcane surge

[static plinth]

You just offset it with healing

[native widget]

oh shit, DAMN

gemling is also nerfed

it was 3 before

[regal zenith]

oof

[pastel forge]

F

Passives tree official release when

[regal zenith]

This one is still huge tho

[pastel forge]

I wanna confirm my crit passives

[gusty bone]

This aint right, cast speed should scale with Demonflame too, 16% cast speed is too low, it is literally just half of a notable node.

[static plinth]

Life stack Gemling is gonna go crazy

[shrewd socket]

you dont understand.. it does stack..

• if i lose 100% in 100seocunds - that means i have lost 1% each secounds

but if it stacks it will look like that:
-first seocunds i lose 1%
-2nd seocund i lose 2%
-3rd seocund i lose 3%
-4th seocund i lose 4%

..and after 4 secounds i would have lost 10%

i cant explain it better.. or im acutally wrong about it

[static plinth]

Okay but if you regen 5% of life per second by the 4th second you've regenerated 20%

[pastel forge]

Aside from vitality, the only place to get life Regen is to push into druid side nodes

For a witch/sorc

[tidal furnace]

Recoup baby

[static plinth]

Im planning on Eternal Youth

Im also sure there's some you can get that we just havent seen yet

[pastel forge]

Not sure if that works yet

[native widget]

or just go CI

like a normal person

🤣

[static plinth]

CI doesnt work with Demon Form

Instantly ends

[pastel forge]

I mean he's talking about demon form lol

[native widget]

ah

ok

[static plinth]

Its life loss, not a DoT, so it should

[pastel forge]

EY still the plan for my bloodmage

[pseudo kayak]

Would you go Crit + Leech or Crit + Bleed?

[tidal furnace]

I just.. im flabbergasted by this

[static plinth]

Completely worthless or busted place your bets

[daring jay]

my current defensive plan is to go CI, ES/Evasion and this ascendancy node. You think its good? haha

[pastel forge]

If the bleed node enables my spells to bleed without having to do some other weird set up first, bleed > leech

[daring jay]

or do you need mom to use CI

[pastel forge]

Since I'm running the EY engine

[native widget]

maybe

but you might as well go full ES

and mana

[tidal furnace]

depends on your build, Im going archmage Bloodmage I need the leech I think

[echo juniper]

CoC gem doesn't seem to specify a need to crit with attack skills, it's just "critical strike with a skill"

Wonder if that means we can use, say, Firestorms or Lightning Storm as a CoC enabler

[pastel forge]

If I wanted a defensive option I would go with the progenesis node instead

[daring jay]

Aren't you kinda f'ed when you get hit my physical then?

[native widget]

no?

[pseudo kayak]

Fair enough. I worry that you won't be able to handle a Cast on Shock/whatever trigger spell with just eternal youth though

[tidal furnace]

Don't need to bleed if it's already dead

[pastel forge]

The plan is to life tap ball lightning as my main spell so it's fully HP cost, so my cast on crit is draining mainly mana instead from archmage

[pseudo kayak]

Ah, not just lifetap early but even late

[true gulch]

youre going mom archmage bloodmage?

[tidal furnace]

@true gulch I am

[woven sinew]

I’m thinking of pulling back from blood mage now

[true gulch]

interesting

[shrewd socket]

but how am i surviving 100 secounds if i lose 10% per seocund?

[woven sinew]

And doing the minion Infernalist

[true gulch]

storm weaver is insane for the mana

ez MoM

[pastel forge]

And EY #1313195596709892107 message

[native widget]

thats what im saying

holy shit

[true gulch]

ohh yeah swaw that one

[static plinth]

Thats what you have to solve. I plan on using Eternal Youth

[pastel forge]

Stormweaver seems better if you worry about mana Regen for sure

[static plinth]

We should be able to move while channeling Flameblast right?

[true gulch]

well yeah mana reg is also your life pool, so it should be very important for MoM

[native widget]

whats the base shock duration again?

[static plinth]

Oh hey Black Sun Crest is in 2, Gemling'll love htat

[tidal furnace]

I'm hoping to use mana Remnants to support Mom

[nova jacinth]

Does the whole glacial cascade count as melee? Does it work with elemental expression?

[true gulch]

what are remnants

[trail lynx]

if Now and Again can affect Time Snap then there is a chance to cast the same cooldown skill like 3-4 times in quick succession

[thin basin]

by "elemental damage" i assume its stuff like "x% increased elemental damage" on the tree but then we still need bleed chance somehow 😭

[true gulch]

we also could go gemling and get way more max Mana for way more damage. and main dmg with lifetap?

[trail lynx]

whether those nodes are good really depends on the skills available

[pastel forge]

Gemling is gonna be a pain to path back north

[true gulch]

that sounds really good for clearing, but would be wasted for bosses =/

[tidal furnace]

Double health, Double Mana potentially

[true gulch]

thats the price u pay for having 5k more mana

[tidal furnace]

@true gulch depends on if it gets the same treatment as Life remnants or something similar, such as a chance to proc on crit or on shock vs unique enemies

If it does then my Archmage Bloodmage is all good

[pastel forge]

You could try I guess, I just wouldn't bother since it's too much pts personally

[true gulch]

it says that u need to kill an enemy but idk

[sterile stone]

letsgo

[shrewd socket]

but if you know that it stacks why are you saying: "After 100 seconds you are losing 100% of your maximum life"
..if you lose 10% per seocund you would have lost 1000% life, cuz it is stacking..

..but doesnt matter. just watend to point it out tho

[tidal furnace]

yeah but Poe Devs have a history of adding that secondary effect vs uniques and rares @true gulch

[static plinth]

You are losing 100%
You have lost more than that

What you've lost doesn't really matter until Demonflame begins to outpace your regeneration

[true gulch]

which nodes youre taking from the blood mage?

[sterile stone]

they also bring this back POG

[tidal furnace]

remnants, Crit and either leech or Grasping wounds

[sterile stone]

maybe i should do conc starter again

[static plinth]

And its buffed lol

[sterile stone]

buff where?

oh right, no less recovery

[static plinth]

It no longer gives less recovery

Yeah

Though flasks in general might be nerfed

[sterile stone]

yeah it could mean we have weaker flask recovery