2┃build-planning

[granite kettle]

What is the difference you think?

[modern tangle]

hmm guess it works for that. I've never played with this

[granite kettle]

I tried it in PoE1, feels pretty good when you're running in circle in a boss arena.

But would suck for mapping.

[viral stirrup]

is there a full list of released passives anywhere?

[modern tangle]

No. See #2┃new-player-in-campaign-help message

sorry, I meant 1 msg above that

[modern tangle]

Could be spammable then. I've played with Volatile Reversal in Last Epoch but that one has cooldown for a good reason.

Also players kind of kill themselves with it every now and then because it doesn't show where you're reversing backwards to (like playing Ekko in LoL might).

[granite kettle]

Fine for softcore. :p

[modern tangle]

Maps are 1 life only. :p

[granite kettle]

Still fine! 🙈

[gusty bone]

Did anyone leak the full Infernalist ascendancy yet?

[sterile latch]

stop spoiling my build :d

[maiden karma]

Sadly people are too boring for that

[daring jay]

Anyone else finding it hard to actually fill out all 9 skill slots? xD

[maiden karma]

I easily did 8 for one build idea

[sterile latch]

it's not really hard I think since you can fill with any random spirit stuff that's still an overall upgrade like cast on dodge or lingering illusion etc... + Malice, you're quickly to 9

unless you're already at 400 with 7 spells ofc but should be fine

[scenic ivy]

Also worth mentioning you definitely don't NEED to fill out all your slots. Especially right away.

[daring jay]

do we know if you can get up to 400 spirit?

asaik you get 180 spirit. 30 from 1 boss every act and we dont know any other sources

[sterile latch]

depends on your class ig, scepter can give +100% afaik

[scenic ivy]

Yeah we saw in the aura implicit video that someone had like a +92% or so spirit sceptre. But we don't know how high that goes overall. Might go over 100% for all we know.

[daring jay]

i think spirit on sceptres are apart of that weapons identity and we most likely wont get close to that amount of spirit with other weapons

[scenic ivy]

And as far as the 30 spirit per act thing. Did we ever get any actual recent confirmation of that? I know we saw the one +30 spirit from a boss in the livestream. But I'm not sure that translates to every act. People have been throwing around a bunch of different numbers

[daring jay]

i have only seen recent interviews and i heard it in one of those

[scenic ivy]

Yeah I def wouldn't expect anything close to as much as we get on sceptres. But there may be mods on, for instance, ES gear that maybe gives flat spirit

[daring jay]

true

[scenic ivy]

And on top of that, there's also those new "whetstones" for spellcaster weapons. Hard to say what they do. martial whetstones make sense because they would just scale the flat damage the weapon itself does.

[granite tulip]

Does anyone here know what it means for a Skill to Empower other skills? Do you think Charged Staff would count as such?

[daring jay]

i think there needs the be "empowers" in the text for it to do it

infernal cry empowers for example

[granite tulip]

Ah yeah, I see it. Thanks!

[daring jay]

yeah thats what ive learned over the couple of days. wording matters a ton :D

[vagrant gorge]

has there been any word if the "energy" gained when using a triggered "on X" spirit gem is shared between all triggered spirit gems? E.g. If I have a trigger on ignite and a seperate trigger on crit, are they both gaining and spending the same energy pool or are they tracked and spent seperately?

[granite tulip]

Yeah, you don't say I've been looking at combinations of Skill Gems and Support Gems, and been overlooking the wording, mistaking support gems for Spells working for Attacks

[daring jay]

ive done that too xD

[daring jay]

i dont think so, but i would imagine they have different "energy pools"

[vagrant gorge]

thanks

[granite tulip]

What do you reckon here. Melee Physical Damage is tagged Physical but Whirling Assault isn't. Do you think it works together?

[daring jay]

i dont think they work together no

[granite tulip]

So specifically skills with the Physical tag.

[short timber]

No but

triggers don't generate energy

[granite tulip]

E.g.

[daring jay]

yeah thats would i think

[short timber]

so you can't have 500 spirit with 10 triggers and loop them all

[granite tulip]

TIL

[daring jay]

yeah that one would work 100%

[vagrant gorge]

right, my worry is that if it's one shared pool, having multiple triggers is redundant as they'd be fighting for resources and casting availability

[short timber]

I don't think it's gonna be shared because they added the loop prevension stuff

but it could be the case

if it doesn't share

scepter + a bunch of cast on Xs could be interesting haha

the limiting factor might just be good support gems

[daring jay]

can you support skills that are in meta gems?

[vagrant gorge]

hadn't heard about that. does that mean if you have an "on ignite" and attach it to a skill that has ignite, that won't be synergistic? Was doing some early theory crafting on an incendiary shot gemling merc

[modern tangle]

Empower is a keyword in poe2 and I haven't seen anyone hover the explanation.
There are some skills that sound like they should count but they don't use the word. Could be outdated tooltips from old game versions. Hoping it'll all be clear with acccess to the game.

[short timber]

yes

[short timber]

More like

if you have Cast on Ignite Skill that Ignites

[granite tulip]

I certainly hope in this case that it's just missing the keyword for the Charged Stuff skill

[short timber]

it won't generate energy for your cast on ignite

or any other cast on ignites

you can only generate energy from actually casting afaik

maybe ascendancy cast on crit skills bypass this

[vagrant gorge]

gotcha, makes sense. So energy generation is tied to actively used skills/spells

[sterile latch]

Weren't we promised xbox datamining or did i misunderstood ?

[modern tangle]

Who promised you?

[sterile latch]

I promised myself, reading some posts xD

[modern tangle]

Guess you'll have to do it then! 🤡

[sterile latch]

brb gonna buy an xbox

[daring jay]

goddamn i hope we get all ascendancy points leaked

[sterile latch]

yeah that's all I want

[daring jay]

@short timber Do you know if i use Blasphemy with a curse. Can i then support the curse with support gems?

its a meta gem

[short timber]

I don't see why not

(which is obviously op)

[daring jay]

yeah its seems CRAZY

[short timber]

blasphemy temp chains enfeeble with heightened curse and encumbrance

kinda busted

[daring jay]

especially if you get the notable which allows you to have 2 curses xD

[daring jay]

yes imma do this 100%

if there isnt something that makes us unable to do it

[modern tangle]

don't we all

[thorny path]

90 spirit cost seems pretty steep

[modern tangle]

What's 90?

[thorny path]

2 curses with heightened curse on blasphemy

[modern tangle]

Ah yeah, with that. Well supposedly we have at least 100 to use without building for it.

[granite tulip]

Would the critical chance of a skill with this support gem just keep stacking till you critical, even when you don't use it?

[thorny path]

yes

up to 100% that is

[granite tulip]

Neat. I guess this combination of support gems would make a lot of sense then

Although 20% less Critical might counteract it too much?

Wait yeah, you already pointed out to a maximum of 100% increased chance. Is it like in PoE1 where 100% increase is like 10% base + 100% increase is = 20% critical?

[thorny path]

Yeah that's right

If you also use the crit damage support, 20% less crit chance would make your 10% base + 100% increased - 20% less = 16% crit chance I think

[granite tulip]

Gotcha, thanks!

[midnight bolt]

hear me out, these three+rolling=max endurance charges 🤔 sounds pretty silly tho

[daring jay]

yeah it could be good

was thinking of doing that to gain power charges, but i imagine it would feel bad to do dodge, wait - dogde, wait - dodge, wait and then using main skill xD

[midnight bolt]

did they say anything about charge limits btw

[daring jay]

if its a bonus its fine but as main way to gain your charges for main skill nah not good experience

3

i didnt hear it from them only saw on google so not 100%

[sterile latch]

you probably dont "need" CI, 20% hp endgame shouldnt last very long

i planned to do this if i play monk

[daring jay]

true since it also dont have your armor, evasion, ES or resistances

gonna melt fast

[midnight bolt]

might be really good since casters lack physical mitigation

[modern tangle]

it used to go to 200% 🥲

[quick eagle]

Not sure if they will reword curse supports to say "non-aura curses" again. Otherwise with impending doom they just explode when you walk out of range

[maiden karma]

Where the teasers at

I'm starving

[modern tangle]

Didn't you see the fishing teaser? They already took it down!

[gloomy basalt]

Does all Chaos dmg have a chance to poison? Vice versa for physical damage having a chance to bleed or are both chances inherently 0% and you need to increase them to occur?

[maiden karma]

Allegedly all damage can do it, unless stated otherwise

[midnight bolt]

Does anyone know if they said anything about logout macro bullshit?

or logouts in general

[gloomy basalt]

You just come back exactly where you left off

[midnight bolt]

wait fr?

is it confirmed

[maiden karma]

There's also a pause apparently

[gloomy basalt]

It was in some interview, yes.

[midnight bolt]

so if u logout mid boss fight and log back in you are in the boss fight?

[gloomy basalt]

iirc if you logout and come back a week later you are still in the boss fight

[midnight bolt]

how does that work in multiplayer

hmm

we will see ig

[gloomy basalt]

You may be able to TP and reset but idk

[jagged moat]

new player here, so evasion works on hits but no aoe ? so what other defences do i need to build? cap ress and ?

for aoe

going to make ranger for 1st char

[maiden karma]

Walk out of the aoe is a good strategy

[midnight bolt]

yep

change your mindset to not getting hit

[shut ruin]

Got confused, dodged roll'd instead 🤸

[midnight bolt]

best defensive layer

[modern tangle]

Active block or turning into jade works for some builds. Infernalist gets 20% damage reduction from doggy. Acrobatics makes dodge work against aoe but halves it.

[civic kiln]

Posted on Poe2 early access but this seems to fit better here.
Based on Dreamcore stream from Los Angeles Playtest. Sone nodes could change but overall it's a clear and fresh representation of notables.

if you use it in some yt content or other, please credit

[modern tangle]

It deserves getting posted another time. 🙂

[civic kiln]

I really want to post on help guides but I cannot

[modern tangle]

oh permissions huh

[civic kiln]

oh, I can post it on build help, then I'll go

[proven quest]

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere here yet, but I think One with the Storm might be really strong. Based on the wording, it sounds like there's a chance that you don't need to actually consume a charge, which would mean every attack would count as having one power charge even if you consume none. Any thoughts?

[alpine vigil]

I would think it needs to consume it, kind of like cold snap of power and ralakesh or when you're at minimum charges

Maybe the wording would have been something like "Quarterstaff Skills that may consume ..." but we'll probably never know because this is broken

[short timber]

what igneous said

you have to have a charge to consume one

if charge > 0 -> charge + 1

[midnight bolt]

no cheesing allowed

[real hornet]

breh

well... that's op

[proven quest]

I figured that was most likely the case, but then I also thought that if you had to actually consume a charge they would state that explicitly. Thanks!

[proven quest]

The whole game is about cheesing

[modern tangle]

For hybrid builds maybe. Unlike poe1, it may not be suitable for pure ES builds if good regen is hp% based.

[short timber]

depends how much life regen you can get obviously

[real hornet]

yes, but that's expected, hybrid builds are usually the strongest anyways

but CI is nice so they usually don't

[static plinth]

Excess? Zamn

[real hornet]

yeah zealot's oath is nice now because it doesn't basically axe the life recovery portion of a hybrid build

poe1

had honestly the most shit keystone in existence because of that

[maiden karma]

Exactly as I expected, str/int area is full of cool shit

Aegis aurora on a notable

[static plinth]

The wording differences between games are odd

[maiden karma]

ES warrior?

[modern tangle]

Mace or wand with your shield?

[static plinth]

I think my build idea is coming together i just need to actually learn how Demon Form works

[proven quest]

Also synergizes very well with the Consuming Questions Monk ascendancy

[real hornet]

yeah finally a decent mod that isn't stuck on a unique item

[real hornet]

it looks like most the summoning related nodes are in that area so infernalist will be all over that to get the armor application to fire damage, etc stuff

[maiden karma]

Man

[real hornet]

which is honestly really nice since strength stuff means less squishy necromancer

[maiden karma]

I've been binging Tiny Rogues while waiting and a necromancer run I did today suddenly made me want to play minions

[real hornet]

too bad they gave more magewitch than necro witch by leaving the third ascendancy out

[midnight bolt]

they clarified it many times, necro will NOT be in poe2

[maiden karma]

I want an active minion playstyle where I go melee with the boys

[midnight bolt]

not necro not "necro like" ascendency

[daring jay]

where are all the ascendancy leaks??? 😭

[maiden karma]

No dom blow till templar tho

[distant dome]

Any idea on how pyro witch’s new “mana” bar will work? Will mana regen stat do anything like make it easier to maintain high levels of flame without going over?

Will more max mana make it easier to not overcap?

[maiden karma]

No

No mana, no mana interactions

[distant dome]

Hmm

[midnight bolt]

well we dont know about max mana

it should work

[distant dome]

Cuz there’s a t least one effect that works off being near max, so maintaing that might be inportant.

[maiden karma]

Max mana is the only thing that will do anything

[real hornet]

well yes, but even if it isn't called necro, there will be the ascend that is most suited for minions, infernal is fire minions, blood is more self related with minion support, and the third should be more minion focused since it's the only other option for having it do poison/other elements

[maiden karma]

Third ascendancy will be unarmed witch

[real hornet]

scepter...

dual scepters

ascendancy that just says fuck the rules

[distant dome]

Like literally no arms. Can’t wield weapons cuz arms removed.

Isn’t a scepter physically just a fancy mace :p

[real hornet]

the spiritualist I bet

[real hornet]

yes

if they do that, it will be more of the aurabot/minion ascendancy

[last patio]

I want to beat the campaign as quickly as possible before PoE 2 starts. Can anyone recommend where to start with that in mind? Not looking to transition into end game

[midnight bolt]

just go infernalist easy, dogs look really strong and will probably have other good nodes

or gemling

[maiden karma]

Triple sceptres

[midnight bolt]

cant go wrong with gemling

[last patio]

oh this is poe 2, woops

[real hornet]

revolving levitation with 4 scepters lol

uses both weapon slots

[maiden karma]

For her neutral special, witch wields a gun

[distant dome]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-droid-general-grievous-robot-general-grievous-gif-15512920

[real hornet]

and then permanently forces you into some transformation state with the 3rd set

[real hornet]

yep, that should be witch

[distant dome]

So we get metal body + emphysema

Cool

[distant dome]

Anime plot twist, with BECOMES a gun.

[real hornet]

ngl I think that would be funny if you put more restrictions on her personal combat and then have some bigass minion carry her around like baggage and her health is based on the minion holding her or something

[modern tangle]

demon gun

[real hornet]

similar to a lich

with the phylactery

really squishy with a cooldown, but can swap between minions that hold her like she's fucking yuumi

[maiden karma]

You play as a giga minion and need to protect the braindead ai witch

[real hornet]

and perhaps instead controls a primary minion with skills as the transformation state

[real hornet]

ye, I think that would be interesting with more spirit to play around with

dual wield scepter is probably the only way to make it viable though

otherwise it's gonna suck

[maiden karma]

Wonder what the most expensive spectre is gonna be

[real hornet]

now that I think about it, maybe her ascendancy would have dedicated special hosts as the forced first node like the bloodwitch

[distant dome]

Lost form witch. You posses your own minions. While possesed you can use all your regular abilities. Jump to a new summon to restore your health. Basically like the guy I gameplay mentioned earlier

[real hornet]

or just lich I guess

it makes the most sense thematically with increased spirit and stuff

[distant dome]

The guy you killed in PvP

[real hornet]

wouldn't that be great if you had an entire pvp dynamic where you pay to get players as specters

[distant dome]

Would be hilarious

[real hornet]

when poe2 turns into slave market tbh

[distant dome]

It’d be limited to a “mercanary” specter, or other class. Their gear wouldn’t add more stats. but that mechanic of selling yourself would be a thing of the witches’s specter retained your skins/mtx

[real hornet]

well more just they get a baseline of a monster/minion but the main skills with highest dps would get used

maybe 2-3 skills idk

[pastel forge]

feels like minion builds are restricted from being effective hybrids by default due to how you lose spirit from weapon swapping to something else

i suppose you could still get spell passives on a scepter weapon swap to mix in some spells but it feels kinda half ass

[modern tangle]

You can get spirit on other items. Hybrid would have somewhat less minions (or no aura from sceptre) but obviously gets whatever they're doing with weapon skills.

One effective idea might be Infernalist with just the doggy companion that gives 20% global dmg reduction. It may not cost spirit.

[pastel forge]

well that's just an infernalist build, lul

[distant dome]

Jonathan rogers commented on that and they might do something to make that experience less bad

[modern tangle]

that was about creating a UI where you micromanage what gets summoned/unsummoned in weapon swap when spirit changes

[maiden karma]

The dog has some nice potential

[distant dome]

Can you pet that dawwwwgggg?

[modern tangle]

no, hands burn

[pastel forge]

im curious how that is gonna work out since allowing spirit from scepters to remain would end up incentivizing non-minion builds to use scepters as spirit sticks to stack metagems

[maiden karma]

In Wraeclast the dog pets you

[distant dome]

https://tenor.com/view/can-i-pet-that-dog-gif-10120610406547814207

[distant dome]

Maybe if you run scepters in both slots, you can like, pick?

Or only swap 1 weapon at a time

Keep the same scepter in offhand

So only swap main hand

[modern tangle]

https://v.redd.it/f8n2g58vr1hd1/DASH_720.mp4

[pastel forge]

well scepter in both slots would still greatly restrict minion builds from hybriding

[maiden karma]

That doesn't work

[distant dome]

K

[pastel forge]

expectially any non-spell hybrid

[maiden karma]

It's a full set swap

[distant dome]

I mean, they could make it not be

[maiden karma]

If you got like mace/shield in set 1 and set 2 is a different mace, then you will take the shield off when you swap to it

[distant dome]

That’s what I was talking about, potential solutions

[maiden karma]

They did say they are considering changing that

[pastel forge]

they would have to make minions an exception in the backend in terms of not disappearing when the sceptre isnt active

i suppose that may be possible

[distant dome]

So.. when are we getting the Spector Scepter unique. Which is an animated… scepter.

[pastel forge]

and it does seem to be primed for a witchhunter build ironically

[maiden karma]

Where's the rest of it

[pastel forge]

get the extra 20 weapon specialization ascendancy so that you can build minion + any other weapon

also its cool that clarity/vitality/cannibalism is essentially free passives to attached to any buff without increasing reservation amount

since they have separated reservation and mana cost multipliers in poe2

[modern tangle]

could be extra free if they work with Sorcery Ward

[midnight bolt]

damn i just noticed that it only support curses, are they seriously expecting us to link curse with this and 4 damage support gems or what

[real hornet]

when in all of poe history has decay been good outside of some intelligent use case with stormburst to make it "ok but not amazing"

[midnight bolt]

stat scaling was rarely bad in poe1

so who knows

its just weird making it curse support since in poe1 it scaled with all support gems that scaled main gem, so how will that work here if curses dont have any damage scaling tags

[real hornet]

what makes decay bad was the lack of tags and ways to scale its damage

I wish decay was changed into a debuff like punishment that makes enemies take more damage the less health they have

instead of punishment being some cringe half health threshold

[midnight bolt]

it should have supported any dot chaos skill and add another dot, just like they did with new poison support

[real hornet]

because ya know, decay literally means you have less armor, logically and it would make sense that they have less of all defensive means because wither and decay are similar

so maybe instead of straight damage, decay reduces their resistance and defenses as they take damage
and wither makes sense if was like the concentration mechanic where they can't gain as much concentration to cast things and move as it builds up

[maiden karma]

BABE WAKE UP DREAMCORE DROPPED A 21 MINUTE VIDEO

[midnight bolt]

useless video

0 new info

[elder bolt]

O

[maiden karma]

[civic kiln]

some info about algorythms? like dps calculations?

[toxic heron]

Hey y’all I’m a bit of a casual andy but love PoE and wanna go really hard and serious on PoE too. My most auccessful and enjoyable experience in PoE 1 was bone shatter juggernaut and I have had fun with eviscerate bleed glad. Is Merc the only “Duelsit like” option and does anybody think a melee or melee/ranged build can work on Mer ? (I love melee, but don’t wanna play warrior and monk)

[pearl sluice]

I would love to make a melee physical dps chronomancer 😄

[maiden karma]

EA launch is only going to have mace and quarterstaff as melee options, but it will absolutely be possible to play mace mercenary if that interests you

And witch hunter ascendancy will specifically have a node that allows melee/ranged hybrid loadouts

[toxic heron]

Thank you, I am gonna consider mace merc but might also look at monk one more time with the limited melee options at the start

[maiden karma]

Oh right, you can also do a build that uses shield as a weapon

[real hornet]

I would love it if my minions could do everything the stormweaver does

[real hornet]

also chaos monk is gonna be super fun

shit looks invulnerable

then there is triggerbot monk who is just stormweaver with wind

[obsidian yew]

POE 2 Passive Tree Preview: ( gets completed over time )

https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/

[civic kiln]

finally! I've worked on a static one waiting for this

[granite tulip]

Found Seismic Cry among the warrior skills. It specifies next slam. Reckon it would work with Falling Thunder, as it's a slam skill, from Monk?

[surreal dragon]

sure

[granite tulip]

[proven quest]

Maybe a usecase for Resonance?

[granite tulip]

What's Resonance?

[surreal dragon]

it's a keystone

[proven quest]

Probably easier for monk to get frenzy over endurance, so that’ll give you power and endurance charges

[granite tulip]

Oh yeah, that's worth looking into.

In fact, very good point. I already have thought of running Sniper's Mark on Hand of Chayula to gain Frenzy Charges.

[civic kiln]

there's a list of unique items?

[distant dome]

Wait, isnt infernalist just the 🌭 build?

You’re on fire

And have a dog.

[surreal dragon]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Uniques

[proven quest]

Just curious, why did you want to gain frenzy charges?

[granite tulip]

Before you pointing me to that Keystone, I just wanted it for the passive bonuses. But with Seismic Cry, I want the Frenzy Charges for Power Charges.

It's perfect with Resonance. I'm really glad you made me aware. I got good sources for Frenzy and Power Charges with Monk kit. So it's great that I can readjust it towards making good use of Seismic Cry for Falling Thunder.

[proven quest]

Good thing, because charges don’t grant inherent bonuses anymore haha

[granite tulip]

OH rly You're twice the savior then

So they're purely for interacting with Skills now?

[proven quest]

I believe so, at least at the base interaction. There could definitely be ways to add to what the charges do though

[granite tulip]

Do you know if the default maximum is 3 still per Charge variant?

[tawny karma]

is it just me or do lightning spells seem to have a load of support?

[long trail]

Are damage over time effects spells? Will armor reduce physical dot dmg?

[modern tangle]

Effects themselves aren't spells. But if a spell caused them they can usually benefit from the damage of that spell. We don't know much about poe2 armor but AFAIK there is no reason to think it would work against dots.

[velvet blade]

My understanding so far is that armor only reduces the damage of physical hits of attacks and spells.

My guess would be that if an ailment or DoTs damage is based on the hit, then armor would only reduce the DoT damage indirectly by reducing the applying physical hit's damage.

For example, if a hit applies bleed and the bleed damage is calculated based on the damage of the applying hit, then armor would reduce the hit and you would get a lower damage bleed than if you didn't have armor. This is just an assumption though.

[modern tangle]

They don't want resists to double apply against damage of non-physical ailments so the ailment damage is based on the hit's pre-mitigation damage. The mitigation is then applied when the dot is ticking. Viperesque included bleed in the pre-mitigation damage comment, so since armor won't apply when bleed is ticking, I think armor simply doesn't work against bleed even indirectly.

[proper pagoda]

@maiden karma hi

[dark vortex]

do we know if Darkness can be used for reservations for Spirit/minion skills since it replaces spirit or does the Dark monk just lose access to all of those skills?

[modern tangle]

We don't know but I don't see much room in the wording for spirit reservation to work.

[dark vortex]

I figure it'd be strange if going dark monk would just lock you out of all those skill but yea guess we'll see in 6 days.

[light fractal]

i think he loses access

[dark vortex]

if darkness can be used in place of spirit then based on the number we have so far you'll end up with about double the amount of darkness as you would spirit so Darkness could mean double the amount of minions 🙂

[long trail]

That makes sense!

[modern tangle]

Bloodmage gets forced into paying life in addition to mana for spell and infernalist loses mana to use infernal flame. At least Acolyte of Chayula can use other ascendancy nodes instead until darkness gets buffed, if it's too weak. Something to test.

[tawny karma]

can multiple firestorms overlap?

[dark vortex]

so you arent forced into the darkness mechanic by choosing AOC? Its a node?

[modern tangle]

it's a node

[dark vortex]

Ah i see well that makes me less worried, we can respect ascendancy nodes right? just not change the ascendancy itself

[dark vortex]

also thanks for the image!

[proven quest]

According to poe2 wiki, it's limited to 1 firestorm

[modern tangle]

you can always find it via https://poe2db.tw/us/Monk#Monk

[alpine zealot]

How can you scale the damage for Sunder in an Ancestral Warrior Totem? Looks like a totem is an "attack" now... So that makes me think that passive tree nodes and such that scale "damage" and "attack damage" would scale the totem... but I see it uses its own weapon, so that confuses me

Likewise, would increasing your own attack speed increase the attack speed of the totem?

[tawny karma]

could you prove me a link to that i cant seem to find it?

[proven quest]

Of course!

[tawny karma]

thank you so much! your an angel!

[proven quest]

I would think that any increases/ decreases on your tree would apply to the damage of the totem, but it would use it's own weapons base damage as the base damage for the calculations. I would also guess that the totems weapon damage increases with gem level

[alpine zealot]

that would make sense to me. Thanks! I didn't think about the gem level scaling as well... I know that's been important for spells and minions, but I could see it being big for totem scaling as well since the base damage is tied to the gem. Neat!

[proven quest]

And I am going to immediately eat my own words because of a new support gem I just saw. With this gem, I would think it would overlap if it works the same as PoE1

[velvet blade]

If you used "Spell Echo" support on a spell that has a limit of one without increasing that limit, would the echo replace the existing one?

[rustic mango]

Pathfinder poison build, good?

[midnight bolt]

nobody knows

[velvet blade]

Pathfinder is probably the best ascendency if you're wanting to focus on poison, but I don't think we have any way to know how good poison will be as the main source of your damage

Do we even know how poison damage is going to be calculated?

[rustic mango]

I've watched some vids and I've seen 200% poison damage buff gems, skills that enable you to have 10 stacks of poison, tons of different ways to chain more poison

Poison is a DoT so you just have to mark then you have a wealth of mobility skills to stay alive

[velvet blade]

Oh sweet
Do we know what percentage of a poison applying hit the poison damage will be and for how long it will last by default?

[static plinth]

Anyone have ideas for gimmicks with Avatar of Fire now converting chaos to fire?

[modern tangle]

Wiki thinks default duration is 2 seconds. I don't remember seeing the %.

@velvet blade person here claims 25% without source https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1h0ser6/ailments_rework_from_ggg_viperesque_on_discord/lz77s2b/

[velvet blade]

That would make it the same percentage as Ignite but 2 seconds instead of 4. I could see that since they seem to be trying to keep a lot of things consistent but with all the sources of additional poisons it seems like it would end up beeing waaaay stronger than ignite at 25% of the hit

[modern tangle]

ignite doesn't have stack limit, so shouldn't poison be way stronger?

[velvet blade]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Ignite
If this is accurate Ignite doesn't stack

[modern tangle]

oh the bleed thing. Hmm.

[real hornet]

you can literally just look at the showcase video of pathfinder using a poison skill and note the duration though

and no, ignite doesn't stack, why would it

[maiden karma]

Do we know if we'll keep our hideouts from 1 or are they completely separate?

[velvet blade]

Don't know for sure but my guess is any hideout that is considered an MTX should be carried over. Not sure if discovered hideouts via the atlas or boss fights are considered an MTX though

[spark silo]

Someone made a skill tree viewer already
https://marcoaaguiar.github.io/poe2-tree/

[heavy python]

Something about it needs to stack or scale otherwise the entire Infernalist minion nodes make zero sense

If ignite remains the way it was in PoE 1, then giving all your minions a chance to ignite is worthless

[real hornet]

so uh, magnitude is essentially the same dps as if procs can stack, but hit damage is still gonna be most of your dps

[trail lynx]

i assume this is crit multi

and they put it there to combo with rathpith globe

assuming it works like poe1

[velvet blade]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure "Critical Damage Bonus" is the same as crit multi

[restive harness]

150% Critical Damage Multiplier = 50% Critical Damage Bonus

[sturdy flare]

All the spoilers I want are ascendancies

I really want to know what I will get in that deadeye tree

And if extra proyectiles has a shit road to get there or not

[vital folio]

Hi. I'm considering making a witch minion/caster hybrid build, but I had this dilemma and curious if we know how this works:

Considering the witch skills (minions) and sceptres: what happens if you bind like essence drain on a wand for wep set 2, but then your first set had sceptre/summon wand which was supplying some summons. Doesn't a switch to the other weapon set for essence drain kill your skellies if you have them summoned from the first weapon set? 🧐

[sturdy flare]

Based on what happened when they showcased the demon form. Swapping out of spirit will kill some of your minions

[vital folio]

Other classes with less permanent effects (like a merc with a bow/xbow combo on wep set 1/2) might be less affected by this

[cinder raven]

Does Darkness allow reservation like spirit?

[vital folio]

Based on the tooltip, its unclear if it can be used along with its other functions for buff gems, etc.

[sturdy flare]

But he also mentioned that transformations have a whole other weapon set as of that build. But they are going to try and fix before EA in the interview with tri

Didn't say in what direction that "fixing" goes. But I'm assuming it just keeps what you have at the time of transformation

A "3rd" weapon set might still be useful for druid transformation? Not sure

[daring jay]

infernal cry is insane for certain build holy f... 45% more dmg and culling strike on your next attack

[cinder raven]

Ah ok,
Btw is the darkness reservation for 1% per hit?

Or amount of damage matters?

[vital folio]

Tooltip says "life and es lost to damage" for when darkness gets used. 🤷‍♂️

[cinder raven]

Hmm ok

[vital folio]

I wonder if they ever considered a "delay" in the affects being retained after swap like for 5 seconds. But that sounds like abuse waiting to happen. Heh

[sturdy flare]

Yeah I would say that is not generally a great idea

Unless you have some building that favors it. Like a certain set or keystones or something like that

[vital folio]

sounds like a design nightmare ha

[sturdy flare]

Where its like your making a decision to get that and giving something else up

[sturdy flare]

100%

[vital folio]

It took me a while to realize how genius the weapon swap is as previous games like diablo 2 just used second set of weapons for like buffs and that's it. Its so cool to think you could make like a merc with slams(maces) on set 1 and then xbow on set 2--and it be somewhat viable. Maybe not good but viable.

My only hesitation is it seems kinda weird having like a merc with a monk staff and an xbow. That seems just thematically strange

[sturdy flare]

Yeah i can see that haha

[cinder raven]

Do we have the squire in poe2?

With giants blood we can technically have a 9l right?

[vital folio]

No leaks showing squire afaik

I cant wait to plan out my build only to find a build-defining unique in the late game and just redo everything.

It will be a beautiful journey.

[cinder raven]

Orb of regrets plus gold goes hard

[sturdy flare]

I wonder if extra proyectiles works with tornado shot

So like spawn 2x tornado and then it basically 4x whatever you thow in it

Or maybe more xs

[mental robin]

does flickerr strike hit all iys attacks if the boss is by itself, without any other mobs nearby?

[sterile stone]

anyone here also wondering if SRS have enough Defensive Power to trigger CoMD

if it actually sounds like gg ez auto gameplay

[velvet blade]

Yeah, been theorycrafting that as well.
The fact that monsters ignore them and can walk through them makes me wary that they might not have defenses at all and are basically just a spell with the minion tag

[sterile stone]

i think its too good to be true to actually works

ignore and phase is also the properties of poe 1 srs tho

[velvet blade]

There's always hope. Testing it out for the first time will be fun

[sterile stone]

oohhh hold up

lemme check something

[proven quest]

I was just thinking this as well. Even if cast on minion death doesn’t work, if the raging spirits can have their life increased with something like meat shield and any nodes on the tree that might exists, popcorn srs seems like it’ll be very strong

[olive tide]

has anyone seen a more reliable way of generating frenzy charges? the only skill i see that even generates them is sniper's mark.

[velvet blade]

This could also be useful if you need something specific

[olive tide]

hmm cool, ty!

[sterile stone]

popcorn relies on HP which is not a Defense

after more thought i dont think CoMD SRS gonna work since it requires buildup, and it only cast once every max Energy, and at most only 5 SRS per hit, and im not even sure if we can like spawn 5 SRS in 1 fireball, even if we can spawn SRS in 1 fire ball, i highly doubt 5 SRS is enough to cap the energy to trigger CoMD, and start the loop

[velvet blade]

Yeah, it likely won't work as a loop, but if there's a way to add defenses to minions via items, passives, gems, etc. it might become viable

Fireball with chain and multi proj could work

[proven quest]

Exactly, I don’t think we even need CoMD for the build to be really strong

[velvet blade]

Oooo

[sterile stone]

oh im not interested on automatic srs for dps

i want to auto curse, contagion etc

its still at most 5 srs/cast, so i dont think its enough, theres also necromatic amulet, we can annoint ES node

honestly coul still work tho, instead of casting buff/debuf skills we can just put them into CoMD and just cast fire skills to spawn popcorn srs instead

thing is i heard Low Life in poe 2 are reduced to like 30%? anyone also heard this? if so it would take like 3.5sec for the srs to pop which is pretty long

[vagrant gorge]

With raging spirits being a buff now, would it's minions be cast if your AoE spell cast came from a "on trigger" ability?

e.g. having cast on ignite fireball/rolling magma

[frail jay]

We know low flame is 30%, we don't know if low life is 30%

Also we don't know if SRS even have HP I think? I'm guessing they're going to be invulnerable and won't work with minion instability

[atomic halo]

hopefully "low" wording is consistent

but ggg will be ggg

[cinder raven]

Wait are there no utility flasks anymore?

[sterile stone]

theres no indication that it cant, it wouldve said it wont work with Remote Skills

i dont see any reason would they make SRS invulnerable tho

[atomic halo]

replaced by charms

(which are basically nerfed utility flasks let's be real)

[cinder raven]

Hmm I have a feeling leech is nerfed

Because if not it looks extremely strong

[atomic halo]

leech discussion is a certified #2┃general classic

[velvet blade]

Well the support gems seem to only affect physical attack damage

[sterile stone]

my guess, the reason its not nerfed or strong is bcs poe 2 is harder, we have hound that take 20% hit damage taken, aegis aurora as a notable, ES on armour es flat life etc, these seems to be very strong mitigation bcs youre meant to tank/recover more than poe 1

[cinder raven]

I feel like they added a bit off souls like

Into the game

[sterile stone]

cast on shock etc, theres so many aspect that seem very op if it were on PoE 1

[cinder raven]

Is there spell leech?

In poe 2?

[velvet blade]

Only on the blood witch ascendency so far

[cinder raven]

I couldn't find anything about it

On passive tree

[velvet blade]

10%

[sterile stone]

the game prolly is just "harder" so you need to deal/take more damage, and less 1 shot

[velvet blade]

More involved gameplay sounds really fun. More "action" and less calculating min-max clear speed one shots

[cinder raven]

Getting one shotted was the hardest thing in poe1 imo

[sterile stone]

we dont really have the statistic to say what strong/weak

[cinder raven]

I wanna play an acolyte of chayula spell caster but in case there is no spell leech I might have to go for melee

And I will also see if Darkness can be used to reserve skills

[sterile stone]

everyone is so hype about MoM Monk, either it could be very strong, or the game is tuned to handle such build

[cinder raven]

Defense for offense is so good because you only need to invest in one stat

Like bloodwitch

Mom monk

Etc

Str stacking blood witch looks super cool,
Buff goth mommy 🥵

[frail jay]

I mean CoMD very clearly has the restriction of not being able to cast minion spells, and SRS is the weird outlier with summoning based on fire spells that can be cast by CoMD, and I doubt there isn't going to be something preventing this from working within the mechanics of the SRS themselves.

I doubt you're going to be able to just loop CoMD off of them

[sterile stone]

youre right, i talk about it more above, but i dont think itll be through srs being invulnerable

[frail jay]

Just looking at SRS in the video it didn't really feel like a minion that really interacts with enemies but more of a duration effect in an area that acts like a minion

[sterile stone]

theres limit on srs spawn per cast, energy build up based on defense, srs that mightve small to none defensive value, which prolly no enough to loop based on 5 srs alone

[cinder raven]

Do we have rathpith globe in poe 2?

[frail jay]

Oh true it could just have 0 defense value

I still wonder if SRS are going to work with Grim harvest

we don't know

[sterile stone]

i dont think it works with srs being expired but might work with instability

[frail jay]

[sterile stone]

idk maybe it is? i dont remember in poe if srs expiry counts as death

[frail jay]

I'm probably playing infernalist so I'll probably fuck with SRS a bit

I want to see the rest of the infernalist nodes

[sterile stone]

from my vague memory i think it counts as death tho

[frail jay]

in poe1 expiry and overcapping does count as death yes

[sterile stone]

i think its still a good tool to use SRS CoMD to automate other skills like curses

[frail jay]

It's why you can do heartbound cwdt loops by using jewels to reduce skeleton duration to 1 server tick

[sterile stone]

oohhh yess

[velvet blade]

So, are support gems only level 1 and their values don't change?

[frail jay]

apparently yes

[velvet blade]

x_x

[sterile stone]

it doesnt really matter

[velvet blade]

Was just hoping for chain to not be 50% less damage with hits

[sterile stone]

youre not losing damage by not having lv20, its just moved else where

oh yeah about chain that seems very detrimental for a +1 chain...

[frail jay]

well it's +1 chain and then 100% more chains

so arc goes from 2 to 6

which is worse for singletarget

but might be really good with lightning rod

idk how arc chain rules with 3+ targets will work in poe2

[sterile stone]

very good for clear for sure and its no longer 1 skill game

[thorny path]

arc gets 50% more damage per remaining chain

[sterile stone]

ig yeah deff not for a skill that you gonna use for boss

[frail jay]

Oh I might have been looking at it as 6 total not +6 yeah it's the same damage

Man I hope mana tempest skill mods work with infernalist

or well I guess it's a support that doesn't add damage

maybe there will be chains on tree

[sterile stone]

you technically dont have mana during demon form no?

[frail jay]

demon form doesn't do anything with mana

but the pyroflame node makes you generate flame instead of spending mana

[sterile stone]

oh i misuderstood

so we dont need demon form, for that

[frail jay]

the question is whether it works like EB (replaces spending of mana with spending of ES but skills have mana cost) or blood magic/lifetap (skills have a life cost instead of a mana cost)

mana tempest requires that the skills have a mana cost to get the first 2 buffs

[thorny path]

It replaces the mana entirely, you have no mana pool

[sterile stone]

yeah i would assume this is the case

[frail jay]

yeah but does it replace the mana cost of the skills, that's the question

[thorny path]

You gain infernal flame instead of spending the mana so I would guess so

[sterile stone]

i think so, you cant cast something that have mana cost if you dont have mana

[frail jay]

the wording is pretty similar to EB, which doesn't replace the mana cost of skills

[sterile stone]

can you SS?

[frail jay]

EB is Spend Energy Shield before Mana for Skill Mana Costs

And Blood Magic/Lifetap are Skills Cost Life instead of Mana

[sterile stone]

can you show the rest lol

[velvet blade]

EB is different in POE2 right? It just converts your Energy Shield to max mana

So it would raise your maximum fire

infernal flame

[frail jay]

yeah but I'm just talking about wording and what things mean

[velvet blade]

Oh yeah, then it probably doesn't replace the mana cost

You just gain infernal flame when you spend the mana cost instead of losing mana

[frail jay]

Actually it would have to still cost mana doesn't it? Because it can't gain instead of spending mana if it doesn't cost mana in the first place

Like if you had lifetap it would spend life because the skill costs life now

so it can't gain instead of spending mana

[velvet blade]

Although, if there's a mecanic based on you spending mana, then it probably doesn't work with infernal flame

[frail jay]

only skills that have a mana cost would spend mana

yeah spending mana mechanics wouldn't work, but with mana tempest spending mana is negative

the buffs are from using skills that cost mana, and paying the mana cost of the skill which is 1% per second base

so you just gain 1% flame per second

Lightning ignite infernalist stonks

[velvet blade]

Daaang, yeah, that does seem good if it is only 1% per second and the 30% of mana spent portion is ignored

Unless it converts "mana spent" to "infernal flame gained"

[frail jay]

I mean that would make 0 sense

Nothing in PoE has ever changed to match alternate spending before for no reason

Like if you use indigon with blood magic it doesn't suddenly work with life spent

[velvet blade]

True, but it's already converting 1% mana drain to 1% infernal flame gained so it wouldn't be a giant leap for it to track infernal flame gained instead of 30% mana spent

[sterile stone]

im getting confused

[frail jay]

it doesn't convert mana drain to infernal flame gained

you gain flame instead of spending mana for costs

[velvet blade]

Yeah

[frail jay]

if something costs 1% mana you instead gain 1% flame

[velvet blade]

So instead of 1% mana cost per second, the system is causing you to gain 1% infernal flame per second

Right

[sterile stone]

are you saying it would work?

[frail jay]

"30% of Mana Spent on Lightning Spells while in the storm is added to this Skill's Mana Cost per Second"

What part of that involves spending mana for a cost

You aren't spending mana

there's nothing to gain flame instead

30% of 0 is 0

[velvet blade]

Could end up being "30% of infernal flame gained from lighting spells while in the storm is added to this skills infernal flame gained per second"

[frail jay]

the wording doesn't change to infernal flame

the infernalist node does what it says on the node

if you would spend mana for a cost, you gain that much flame instead

this says if you spend mana on a cost, add 30% of that to the mana cost per second

you spend 0 mana

you gain flame instead

30% of 0 is 0

[velvet blade]

Neither do the words "1% mana per second" but it still gains flame

[frail jay]

Yes because you gain flame instead of spending mana for skill costs

That actually has a mod that affects it

there's no mod that says "if something says mana replace it with infernal flame"

[velvet blade]

You could just as easily track % of flame gained instead of % of mana spent

[frail jay]

No, because there's nothing that says it tracks % of flame gained instead of % of mana spent

it only says it counts mana spent

and you don't spend mana

[velvet blade]

It could go either way. Would be cool if that works but my guess is they will make that effect infernal flame as well instead of just completely ignoring that aspect of the skill

[frail jay]

It can't go either way

there's a mod that makes you gain flame instead of spending mana for skill costs

[thorny path]

why, cuz it's op?

[frail jay]

there is no mod that adds a % of flame gained to skill costs

[thorny path]

ggg doesn't care, it's an ascendancy node feature

kirvin's 100% right

[frail jay]

The only thing that's really unclear is whether gaining flame instead of spending mana for skill costs is actually coded as replacing the mana cost with flame gain, or whether it's like EB and just replaces the spending

[velvet blade]

If that interaction is too strong, they will likely change it. If it's intended to be a benefit of infernal flame then it'll stay

[sterile stone]

im leaning towards replacing the cost

[frail jay]

It could, I just feel like the wording is really bad if that's the case

you can't gain fire instead of spending mana if the skills don't spend mana to begin with

[sterile stone]

from its 2 first lines, i think it makes total sense that the skill tooltip changes to something like "32 Infernal Flame"

[frail jay]

I mean it might do that, but that's bad wording then

[sterile stone]

yeah its kinda ambiguous bcs we need to guess

[frail jay]

Again, "Gain Infernal Flame instead of spending Mana for Skill costs" doesn't make sense if the cost isn't mana. You aren't spending mana for skill costs if the skills don't cost mana.

[thorny path]

They still cost mana tho

[frail jay]

not if the cost is changed

[thorny path]

You only replace Maximum Mana with Maximum Flame

[frail jay]

Yeah that's what I think

[thorny path]

I mean the first line says that

then instead of mana cost, you gain flame

[frail jay]

Naeiev is saying they think it will replace the mana cost with flame gain like how lifetap and blood magic replace mana costs with life

[thorny path]

so no problem there

[frail jay]

Like if you have lifetap and you gain flame instead of spending mana for skill costs, you spend life because the skill doesn't spend mana it spends life

[thorny path]

poe 1 blood magic removes all mana tho

[frail jay]

lifetap doesn't, but it does replace the cost with life

If flame node replaces the cost and you have lifetap though... it makes no sense what happens

or we just can't tell

[thorny path]

order of operations would come in

[sterile stone]

im saying that bcs its thematically make sense, change mana to flame > gain flame instead of mana > "32 Infernal Flame" just a vibe thing

[thorny path]

I'd assume flame would take precedent

ascendancy node and all

[sterile stone]

both are totally possible

[frail jay]

But there's no way to tell why that would be the case

makes more sense that it just doesn't replace the cost, because it doesn't say it does

Lifetap actually says "Skills Cost Life instead of 100% of Mana Cost"

[thorny path]

What is it we're actually worried about here again

something about mana tempest

[frail jay]

"Buff causes Beams from Lightning Spells that Cost Mana to also Chain to +2 targets when Chaining, but not Chain further from those targets"

[thorny path]

I see

[velvet blade]

If it actually doesn't effect 32% of flame gained, then it's an incredibly strong buff for only 1% flame gain per second

Could be a cool effect of taking the infernal flame node though

[frail jay]

If the skills can gain flame instead of spending mana, they cost mana right? Because that's why they gain flame?

[velvet blade]

58% extra damage for basically no cost is a lot though

[sterile stone]

but yes, if the node change the cost to infernal flame this sentence couldve been wrote in a simpler way Gain Infernal Flame instead of spending Mana for Skill costs

[frail jay]

for a lightning build yes, probably put mana tempest on cast on shock or something

[velvet blade]

Ooo yeah

[frail jay]

This is what the node says

[thorny path]

no way you typed out exactly what the node says

[sterile stone]

yes, if it actually changed the Cost, i dont think it wouldve worded that way

[frail jay]

based on the wording of lifetap, I would think "Skills gain Infernal Flame equal to mana cost instead of mana cost"

still not that clear

[thorny path]

I think Mana Tempest will be reworded

🙈

[frail jay]

there's nothing wrong with mana tempest

pyro flame is the problem

[thorny path]

The info we have for it is like 8 months old

[frail jay]

it either makes skills cost flame gain, or gains flame equal to mana cost but skills still cost mana

but mana tempest works with either of those with how it's worded

we just don't know which one it will be

[velvet blade]

It's possible they've changed the wording to "32% of the skill cost of lightning spells is added... bla bla bla"

To accomodate varying skill cost modifications

We'll just have to see when it comes out

[frail jay]

I mean they could just change it to 32% of costs, kinda doubt they will though

it's a neat case to have with people go infernalist to use mana tempest

[velvet blade]

Yeah, that would be a nice effect of that ascendency node since it doesn't really offer much power besides being able to spam abilities if you can withstand the fire damage

[frail jay]

TBH that might be a lot of power

[sterile stone]

the skill literally called Mana Tempest it make sense to only works with actual mana being spent this is why i feel like it doesnt work with infernalist

[velvet blade]

The node that really needs a looking at is Monk's darkness instead of spirit

That shit looks weak

[frail jay]

I mean the skill straight up works with infernalist 100% for the added damage, it's just the other part we don't know, and we know exactly why we don't know

Vibes are not a way to analyze how the game works

[thorny path]

Which is why Mana Tempest will be reworked

🙈

[frail jay]

Yeah darkness looks terrible, hopefully the other node is good

Eh I think mana tempest is fine

[thorny path]

60% damage as lightning straight up is pretty crazy

at level 10 too

[frail jay]

Infernalists aren't going to have the pyro flame node at level 10

[thorny path]

And the mana drain is a joke, just step out and recast it

[thorny path]

level 10 skill gem I mean

[velvet blade]

It looks like the 3 similar Infernalist nodes are something like "Cold damage can ignite", "lightning damage can ignite", "chaos damage can ignite"

Just based on their art and the ascendency design

[frail jay]

none of those will be that I'm pretty sure

[thorny path]

absolutely not

[frail jay]

the node behind pyroflame already makes it so all non-fire damage works the same as fire damage for ignite

[velvet blade]

Why wouldn't it?

Ohh yeah

[thorny path]

Already has all damage can ignite

and that's just dumb in general

3 nodes that all do nearly the same thing

[frail jay]

when there's already a node that does all 3 combined

[thorny path]

even without that it would be dumb

[velvet blade]

Yeah, didn't realize that node did that

Well I'm sure there would be more to it but it certainly looks like something that interacts with the other elements

[frail jay]

I mean they are clearly elemental themed

yeah

It might be fire can shock, fire can chill/freeze, and fire can... poison?

[velvet blade]

Oh that would be sick

[frail jay]

Also wondering if the node behind demon form will make it not suck

[velvet blade]

lol hopefully

The node above the dog looks like something related to burning ground

[sterile stone]

im wondering about Sanguimancy, skill cost life but theres no mobs to kill on boss fights, yet its the 1st node

[velvet blade]

Better have life flask charges and some leech

or recharge

[frail jay]

Yeah afaik the common plan with bloodmage is to go EB MoM Eternal Youth and lifetap your highest cost skill so you have life recharge and a lot of your mana costs are on life

since recharge isn't interrupted like spending (like how people use EB in PoE1)

[thorny path]

common plan?

[frail jay]

it also has life leech though as a node

[thorny path]

you just made that up

[frail jay]

No? I've seen multiple people talking about this lol

[thorny path]

multiple baiters

I'm starting the "Just Build Life Regen" movement

[sterile stone]

i forgot about the words of those keystone but MoM EB are pretty common

[frail jay]

Investing a lot into leech and anointing overleech might be good

[sterile stone]

esp monks

[thorny path]

That I know is common

[frail jay]

monks probably won't be using EB

[thorny path]

Leech resist is about to hit all of them like a damn truck

[frail jay]

I mean we don't really know how leech resist works or how much of a problem it is

[sterile stone]

what about recharge isnt interrupted again? shouldnt it be? is it the new EY?

[frail jay]

recharge is only interrupted by damage

same as poe1

[sterile stone]

oohhh, so we really trying to not take life dmg

[frank kayak]

is ballista totem support still a thing in poe2

[frail jay]

not atm

[frank kayak]

or is it not implemented yet

damn

[frail jay]

we don't know if it will be added

same with spell totem

[frank kayak]

guess ill have to go gemling legionnaire siege ballistas for now

or deadeye?

[sterile stone]

weve only seen 1 ballista totem and it seems ass, there could be more but no evidence

[frank kayak]

there was that new ripwire?tripwire? ballista

and then i saw artillery ballista at like level 12 or something in the crossbow stuff

[sterile stone]

tripwire sounds like last epoch

are you sure?

[thorny path]

It was ripwire I'm pretty sure

[sterile stone]

what is that? what it do

[frank kayak]

ripwire apparently

no clue yet

[thorny path]

Never saw it in use, just the gemcutting screen

[frank kayak]

also this could be outdated

[sterile stone]

aahh

[frank kayak]

it was just in the gemcutting screen yeah

[sterile stone]

the screen layout is the latest tho

[frank kayak]

oh is it?

was gonna go either EA ballista totems or scourge arrow ballista totems pathfinder but

ballista totem support is needed for both of those

[sterile stone]

could be one of the coming soons support hopefully

[frank kayak]

ill wait for that support to actually come out first i guess

yeah

thanks for the help

hug~2

[thorny path]

Anyways leech resist is about to get a lot of monks killed

I can't wait for the cope

[sterile stone]

i never like leech bcs bosses have phases

[frail jay]

I mean I doubt it's immunity and has no counters

[sterile stone]

but could be more viable than ever bcs you can be pure mapper

[thorny path]

the bosses or the leech resist

[frail jay]

leech resist

also life leech looks quite good if you can invest in it with overleech being on the tree

plus for blood mage at least

[thorny path]

All it has to do is make you actually invest in leech

[summer mantle]

we dont even know what EB does

[thorny path]

which most of these monk copers aren't gonna do

[frail jay]

???

[thorny path]

we have the info

[frail jay]

We know exactly what it does lmao

[summer mantle]

no we don't

that info is outdated

all we know is it is not that

[frail jay]

bruh it's like 2 days old what do you mean?

[thorny path]

lord help him

[frail jay]

what is your source

[sterile stone]

did you read it from a reddit comment

bcs i saw that

[summer mantle]

some youtuber asked the devs and they confirmed it was changed

snapow

[frail jay]

actual source?

[sterile stone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExile2/comments/1h2wdml/every_poe2_keystone_on_the_passive_skill_tree/

got it

[frail jay]

Ok yeah found it, interesting

[summer mantle]

x d

[frail jay]

Well good thing anything with EB is pretty far down my list anyways

But I'm expecting my leaguestarter to not work because of changes and I'll just play ignite minions or something

Really I just want to run Glancing Blows with Aegis Aurora it's so comfy

Although I'm unsure if red skills go through passive block or just active

active block aegis aurora sounds kinda sick for a CI build, just get directional immunity and fill your ES

[sterile stone]

yeah wondering the same if its possible to have raise shield on other hand and stack armour

[frail jay]

why wouldn't it be?

Lots of armour left side of tree

[sterile stone]

if shield on other hand what could company a scepter since we cant dual wield(?)

on the main hand

oh ig can just a staff

[frail jay]

I mean personally I'd use a shield on both sets ideally

[summer mantle]

scepter has no damage on it so you'd have to use a shield skill for damage ig

or winions

[frail jay]

or a spell

or a totem

[summer mantle]

spell with no weapon modifiers seems probably not very good

seeing how high + gems can roll

[frail jay]

I mean having +200 spirit is pretty good

[sterile stone]

idk how much dmg im gonna contribute with selfcast on minion build, i think a lot of the skills are debuffer(?)

[pastel forge]

If eb is using poe1's version then it's still good for archmage since you'll have a much larger overall pool to cast with, and with eternal youth you'll essentially have 2 mana pots

[frail jay]

apparently it got changed from the LA version

we don't know how it works now

[pastel forge]

Yea have to see, the poe1 version is still very good

Considering there are much more es nodes on the tree vs mana

[frail jay]

I doubt it will work like the poe1 version

[pastel forge]

So consuming es first for casting isn't a bad thing at all

Just that you don't get the scaling from archmage

[frail jay]

They probably don't want people to use EB to trivialize mana because spending doesn't interrupt recharge which is why they changed it to conversion in the first place

So mana people used EB in PoE1 to ignore mana costs after they tried to make mana more expensive

[pastel forge]

Have to see what it ends up becoming yea

Wonder how strong arcane surge is

Says Regen+faster casting but no values provided

[frail jay]

doubt it's high

[modern tangle]

I remember seeing something that claimed it was 10% regen and cast speed but take this with some uncertainty.

a bit more uncertainty than average leak I mean

[magic thicket]

Anyone know how something like Frostfire (consume freeze to increase ignite damage) and Biting Frost (consume freeze to crit) will interact? would they both be able to "consume" the same freeze and give both effects? or would one cancel the other out?

[olive tide]

i was asking myself the same thing since i have an idea to do a big ignite build with frostfire and hammer of the gods.. figured they wouldnt share the freeze cosume tho.. seems broken if so

[sterile stone]

my guess is the support in earlier order will consume it first

that or alphabetically so Biting Frost is first

but i doubt they can consume the same Freeze

[olive tide]

could be a "last in first out situation" but either way defeats the purpose

i replaced biting frost with inevitable crit.. even tho theres 2 different versions of that gem floating around so i have no idea if itll be a solid replacement

[sterile stone]

its like if theres 1 corpse but you have DD and Zombie on a trigger

it cant explode and become a zombie bcs the corpse is consumed

or DD & Cremation

[pastel forge]

assuming we somehow dont get conductivity as a curse (not in the poe2 database yet), i guess this is a decent alternative for debuffing in an archmage build

its the only other way to get critical weakness without a sceptre

[modern tangle]

Conductivity is listed for Sorc along with Flammability and Hypothermia, the tooltip just hasn't been shown. It'll be very surprising. 😏

[pastel forge]

has critical weakness been confirmed as a standalone curse?

we have flammability tooltips already at least

[modern tangle]

Only seen crit weakness on Eye of Winter and Malice.

[pastel forge]

hmm ok

[olive tide]

have the deadeye and pathfinder ascendancy nodes been revealed? poe2b has a lot more of the node descriptions than i've seen released for the ranger ascendancies

[frank kayak]

can rangers use crossbows

[olive tide]

yes, as long as you meet attribute requirements any class can use any weapon... as far as i know

[frank kayak]

thank

[zealous swift]

i've seen fubgun showing them off, but he got them from "fextralife", which may be not very accurate

[olive tide]

ah i see.. been trying to cook up a phys deadeye build and those frenzy charge nodes look so juicy.. hoping its somewhat accurate

[maiden karma]

WHY THE FUCK DOES A SIMPLE BUFF NEED A QUARTERSTAFF

[light fractal]

guaranteed crit looks pretty strong now that crit capping seems to be difficult

[maiden karma]

Crit capping looks easier than ever

[daring jay]

Because you need to build combo which you only can with a quarterstaff

afaik

[modern tangle]

You can make any melee attack into a combo skill with the Combo Finisher support.

I don't think you need to though, this gem will probably track your hit streak on its own.

[daring jay]

hmmm

what about the "strike" tag in combo finisher?

isnt that only quarterstaff atm?

[maiden karma]

No

[daring jay]

oh

[maiden karma]

Strikes are direct attacks

[modern tangle]

Melee attacks are strikes when they aren't slams. Even the palm attacks are so can't immediately find other types.

[daring jay]

hmm damn there is a lot of strike then xD

[modern tangle]

Strikes will continue until wages improve!

[maiden karma]

Giant's blood titan can alternate between 2 ancestrally boosted guaranteed crit slams as long as you weave a few armour breakers in between

[daring jay]

have you seen infernal warcry?

its busted

[maiden karma]

But then again the every second slam node is locked behind the aftershock one, which works much better in pure slam builds

[daring jay]

hmm

someone please leak monk ascendancy and have a increase in charge gain on either so flickerstrike is op. im praying every day

flicker strike is sooo weird to build when we barely know any uniques only 50% of tree and 50% of ascendancies

[maiden karma]

Guaranteed crits on hammer of the gods

[daring jay]

would be insane

[modern tangle]

Right after they nerfed Inevitable Crit. 🤭

[daring jay]

the "empower your next attack" would mean something like flicker strike which is 1 attack that hits 9+ times gets the empower on all hits right?

i figure it was actually only your next hit then it would say it

[maiden karma]

Guaranteed crit with 15% more damage and culling on your big break consuming nuke, at the cost of backup quarterstaff

[daring jay]

• use infernal cry

25% more dmg

[maiden karma]

But the staff also gives access to chalupa punch and the bell

This seems almost too good to be true

[modern tangle]

Misspell Chayula and you'll wake up to find out it was only a dream.

[daring jay]

i swear it looks like its worth for anyone to get blasphemy + temp chains or enfeeble or both if you can. Dont see any obvious scenario where you dont just get that

[modern tangle]

Maybe they'll raise the spirit cost of blasphemy to the heavens and call it a day?

[daring jay]

would make sense honestly

hopefully not before we can abuse it for a couple of weeks in ea

[maiden karma]

Hold on

Everyone is obsessed with hammer of the gods having 1300%+ damage effectiveness on a 24 second cooldown

But supercharged slam does 333% 4 times at full charge with no cooldown

[modern tangle]

Because it's 1 hit so it works with different supports than your dps skill.

[daring jay]

with my current average hits per flicker strike it will deal 1770% dmg

[maiden karma]

Supercharge says it's only for 2handed mace, wonder how it'll interact with 2 of them

[daring jay]

1770%dmg every 5-5.5 seconds

but it scales and feels way different

[proper pagoda]

@maiden karma good morning my friend

[maiden karma]

How are you making charges that fast

[daring jay]

• i can't do anything while it hits

[distant dome]

Hey folks, I'm working on an approachable Dad gamer build for Witches, I'd love your feedback/suggestions. I'll be actively updating/editing it on December 6th while playing the game https://discord.com/channels/174993814845521922/1312364755406688256

[daring jay]

you can call it and go use another ability

[daring jay]

frenzy charges + im am thunder or whatever it is called and some supports

hopefully there are some uniques that helps further with charges

[olive tide]

turning frenzy charges into power ones using resonance keystone? if so, combat frenzy buff will be helpful.. if u are shocking enough to generate charges

[daring jay]

yeah im thinking of using combat frenzy to generate charges atleast until i see if there is some uniques that help better

Maybe a charge generation node on monk ascendancy tree 🙏

doubt though

[maiden karma]

To entertain doubt is to dance with death

[distant dome]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-skeleton-puppet-gif-6114807

[olive tide]

is that an izaro quote

[maiden karma]

[daring jay]

thats my trying to summon monk leaks

[tawny karma]

youtubers have bein releasing passive skill tree videos for the last 2 days , is the skilltree out somewhere? i cant seem to find it

[daring jay]

like 20-30% of the tree is out there somewhere

[olive tide]

not from what ive seen.. all the notable ones are or keystones.. idk the names of these things anymore

[maiden karma]

A bunch of youtubers were invited to a playtest about 3 weeks ago

Now they release information 1 pixel per day

[olive tide]

i think GGG is carefully monitoring what they are able to release.. and is slowly allowing small things to add to the tension

[daring jay]

would be smart 100%

but the fextralife 2x ascendancy reveal doesnt seem planed by ggg

[olive tide]

yea idk alot about fextralife, but from what i understand poe2db is "partnered" with GGG.. so for them to put it on the website has to be somewhat legit

[maiden karma]

Havoc dropped the entire list of supports

[daring jay]

yeah see this for example isnt drip feeding content xD

thats just a streamer putting everything out

the witchhunter ascendancy reveal did seem planed

[maiden karma]

That's a real one understanding what the people want

[daring jay]

yuuuup

[maiden karma]

Meanwhile Dreamcore reveals a couple notables per day and yaps about them for 10 minutes

And then makes a video about keystones even tho we've known them all for a long time

[daring jay]

yupp dreamcore is milking that content

yeah its stupid

my build seems nastyyyy

i got 120% more dmg just from flicker with support + infernal cry with support

[olive tide]

infernal cry is only good if u can get endurance charges right? i mean, and if ur running resonance keystone you wont get power charges, only endurance

idk thats too confusing for me

[daring jay]

its a weird one

it empowers the next "attack"

not hit

[eternal meadow]

Were Ranger ascendancy passives leaked or something? Suddenly PoE2db has full info on that

[daring jay]

my theory is that flicker strike even though it is many hits is only 1 attack

[olive tide]

i said the same thing like 2 hours ago @eternal meadow .. some fextralife website put them out and i guess fubgun did a video on it

hmm yeah seems legit actually

just cant use resonance keystone, it seems

[daring jay]

i think you can

you can still empower an attack with infernal cry without enduracne charges

[olive tide]

i mean you could

[daring jay]

seems like it empowers your next attack by default

[olive tide]

yes, but i think u really want to consume endurance charges with that right

[daring jay]

so it should empower the entire flickers strike combo

i mean if you can why not

there is just a 5-6 delay before i can use flicker again rn atleast

[olive tide]

i mean you have 8 seconds between cries to get them generated

[maiden karma]

[daring jay]

true but with "reduced cooldown" it comes down to 5.6 which actually hits the flicker strike cd really well

but thats with not knowing any uniques that might give you even more charges

You gonna try flicker? @olive tide

[olive tide]

i thought about it, but seems like a few of the ppl in my group will play monk

[daring jay]

pathfinder not that interesting imo :( deadeye looks cool though

[olive tide]

im stuck between 2 of my builds which im sure will be disasters.. either phys/bleed deadeye.. or a big ignite hotg sorceress using freezes/frostfire support

[daring jay]

i think sorceress will be broken

[maiden karma]

They kept the immortal flasks

[olive tide]

yes enduring elixirs is a sick node

cant wait to forbidden flesh that

[daring jay]

true but they also reduced the amount of life flasks you can have by 4 which might still be fine but feels bad

[olive tide]

really by 2 flasks tho right? since the one you have is supposed to have like 7 charges or something

[maiden karma]

You only need 1 flash for permanent 3k life per second

[olive tide]

err uses, whatever

[daring jay]

ohhh true

[daring jay]

really??? jesus

[granite tulip]

Are there other sources for Frenzy Charge than Sniper's Mark? (Without Resonance shenanigans)

[olive tide]

well if its unreserved life, when u drop below max life it cuts it off? the wording on these things hurts my head..

[maiden karma]

Sorry, that's in 1 with the node also halfing flask recovery

[olive tide]

combat frenzy buff

[daring jay]

i guess from deadeye ascendancies

they give a bunch

[granite tulip]

Outside of Ascendancies?

[daring jay]

Combat frenzy and hunters mark is the only i know so far

[granite tulip]

Neat, neat.

I'm rolling an Acolyte of Chayula Monk, so I probably can't run Combat Frenzy later with Darkness.

[olive tide]

gonna try to use this with precision.. and put pinning on rain of arrows to proc it.. doubt it will work but ill find out

[granite tulip]

I assume you can't reserve buffs onto Darkness.

[olive tide]

ppl are hoping one of the dark monk nodes will allow it but yeah all speculation until next friday

[granite tulip]

[daring jay]

Praying for monk leaks 🙏

[tawny karma]

do fire spells spessifically have to state that they can ignite to be able to ignite?

[maiden karma]

No

[tawny karma]

oki thankx!

[maiden karma]

Every skill can apply ailments

But some skills like comet do it guaranteed

[olive tide]

ye i think as long as it deals fire damage it can ignite, unless a support specifically says it cant

[tawny karma]

okidoki!

[daring jay]

this doesnt specify that it reserves spirit?? seems nuts

[maiden karma]

It's on sceptres only

[olive tide]

im sure theyll add a cost to it

[maiden karma]

No cost

[daring jay]

ahhhhhhh

okay makes sense xD

[distant dome]

any idea if the secondary debuff from Flame wall stacks? or is it only one proc per enemy

[maiden karma]

No DoTs stack in 1

[olive tide]

not sure, id lean towards it doesnt

but if u have 3 walls up they walk out of one into another

[maiden karma]

Safe to assume they don't stack here either

Holy fuck

How did I miss this

[daring jay]

uhh yeah thats good