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warm bobcat
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How are people making lots of div fast? Like how do they get the gear and items to sell for lots of div fast

finite cave
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the moment I place this wand in store, I get spammed.. I did a price check but I don't think I did it right :/

keen valve
wary oxide
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yo, do splinters stack indefinitely or there's a cap?

finite cave
finite cave
wary oxide
dusky star
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probably 5k

wary oxide
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not really a useful info to know, just want to know lol

dusky star
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same reason people put like, catalysts etc. there

keen valve
wary oxide
dusky star
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so like 100-150d+ and see

glass canyon
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how to buy an expensive omen in ritual? do I need to defer it several times to lower the price?

proper hazel
fresh jetty
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im using filterblade and set my filter to very strict, but it kept teling me to get these so now ive got a full tab of whites and blues. what should i be doing with them?

dusky star
# fresh jetty

white stellar amulets are worth a lot (chance orb base)
white sapphire rings are worth quite a bit (chance orb base)
the rest are jewelry you could craft on, or not if you don't care

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hushed moat
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my laptop

dusky star
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ez

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mod privilege

novel crow
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fast work

vapid elk
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hacks

wooden delta
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trying to work on simulacrum, is penetration useful when ive already got 59%-ish exposure?

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or would exposure always surpass the res enemies in simul can obtain

fresh jetty
novel crow
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pen happens after exposure

wooden delta
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yeah but does anyone know what the max res simul enemies can have

novel crow
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so unless you're battling a boss with 75% resist, pen won't add anything after 60 exposure most of the time

wooden delta
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ive only seen 50%

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but i dunno if thats added on top of existing res they have or not

novel crow
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only +4 pinnacle bosses have 75

wooden delta
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oh

novel crow
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unless you get +50% resist in the waystone

wooden delta
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Well in that case ill probs just run survivability gem

novel crow
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pen is pretty meh, I wouldn't recommend more than 30, but that's just my opinion

wooden delta
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aight then fair enuf, my exposure is quite easy to proc w orb of storms anyways

novel crow
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if you add some kind of curse as well you'll get them below zero and pen comes last so it'll do nothing

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this is different to poe1 btw because pen can only get enemies to 0 in 2

wanton dawn
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im getting lost in my own hideout 🤣

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too used to be in ziggurat reugee

tribal jackal
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thus more dmg

novel crow
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correct

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penetration doesn't though, which was the question, and pen is applied last

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if you've already got them down into 0 or negative with exposure and/or curses, pen does nothing

tribal jackal
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what if u have 75 pen and exposure on support gem on ability

novel crow
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exposure goes first, if you have less than 75 exposure, and a +4 pinnacle boss, then and only then will pen help

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(except for +50% resist waystone)

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in terms of max uptime effect, other gems are usually a better choice

lethal summit
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if i rarity item rarity on rings and use ingenuity, that works as i want it right?

novel crow
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yes

lethal summit
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great

novel crow
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also note most pinnacle bosses don't even have 75 for all resists

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there was a table somewhere but I can't find it, I know arbiter at +4 has all 75s

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30/50/60/75 depending on level

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king in the mists appears to have 0 all resists

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kosis has 30 all resists

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looking them up one by one

fresh jetty
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if i give someone at 2nd ascendancy a 4th ascendancy sekhema token, can he clear to 3rd and leave with 2 ascendancy points

novel crow
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olroth 75 cold, the rest zero

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trialmaster all 75s

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zarokh all 30s

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that's all I think

fresh jetty
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dang

tribal jackal
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@novel crow how do we know which is first?

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exposure vs pen

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do we asume or is it told somewhere?

novel crow
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google told me

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but others here have said so too

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the logic is that exposure and curses are applied to the enemy, but pen applied only on hit

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so it gets applied last

tribal jackal
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hmm

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ill ask again

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if i have 75% pen on my ability
and then i have the support gem "lightning exposure"

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what happens

calm grotto
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0

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it dont go below 0

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unless u curse

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which reduce resist

tribal jackal
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curses are first

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then pen

calm grotto
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oh

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is it?

novel crow
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curse and exposure stack

calm grotto
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no 0

novel crow
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then pen applied if it's still above zero

calm grotto
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unless they have more then 100% resist

tribal jackal
tribal jackal
calm grotto
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expose first

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then pen

novel crow
calm grotto
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expose?

tribal jackal
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no boss has above 75%

novel crow
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and you said you have 59 exposure, right?

tribal jackal
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75% pen*

novel crow
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so with a 75% boss, 59 exposure, and 75 pen, the boss' resist would be zero

tribal jackal
tribal jackal
novel crow
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oh that was someone else? ok

tribal jackal
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hmm

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idk which is first

novel crow
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how much exposure do you have?

calm grotto
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someone said

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expose first

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then pen last

tribal jackal
calm grotto
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base value is 20 right

novel crow
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right

tribal jackal
novel crow
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I forgot base was 20

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so yeah only goes to zero

calm grotto
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i mean

tribal jackal
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base is 20 yes

calm grotto
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what is applied on the monster first

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so curse and expose first

cursive zenith
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Whyyyyyyy

calm grotto
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then pen

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psn is ded

tribal jackal
cursive zenith
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Anyone figure out how to unfuck it?

novel crow
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wait till fixed?

tribal jackal
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u wait

cursive zenith
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PSN whhyyyyyy

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Now what do I do... clean my house?!

calm grotto
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touch grass

novel crow
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so if you don't have extra exposure or a curse, then pen can get them to zero; most builds have extra effect of exposure somewhere

tribal jackal
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i dont

novel crow
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it will certainly be more effective than exposure alone

tribal jackal
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deadeye ranger\

novel crow
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icic

tribal jackal
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not like i need it tho

wanton dawn
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bro u sound ollike asmongold

tribal jackal
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what?

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how do u hear sound trough text

novel crow
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but going back to what I said, stacking extra penetration isn't the win it was in poe1

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some penetration is good, but I wouldn't chase it

cursive zenith
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Tasting colors through sound.

novel crow
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penetration would help in cases where you don't get a chance to apply a curse or exposure, but if you expose on hit you're getting that already

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I use frost bomb for exposure, but have exposure support on my arctic armour in case melee attackers rush me without getting exposed to it, but I also get +45% exposure from my passive tree so it gives me 65% exposure on its counterattack

wooden delta
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in that case ill prioritize magnitude for CoS

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and wow i locked in on my grp proj and yall were still on pen vs exposure XD

novel crow
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it's a sticking point because ggg nerfed it in poe2

wooden delta
novel shale
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is there any place where i can price check my item?

fresh jetty
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can you resocket vaal'd items

novel crow
warm gorge
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I just had 9 breaches in 1 map. Mostly its one and I often had like 4 or 5. Is there a condition for this to happen?

warm gorge
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Ah... I forgot about the second and third line^^ thx

dusky star
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these being the tablet mods

pale totem
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What is the use of WHITE (COMMON) heavy belt ?

Ppl buy it? I must alchemy it?
Cz I downloaded a filter that literally show currency + t15 maps + white stellar + white heavy belt

novel crow
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they chance it to try to get a headhunter

wanton dawn
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which is not really worth it to orb it

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on avg u gonna need like 300 orbs

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to get it

drowsy slate
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how do u use logbook

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nvm

plush field
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Can I overwrite sockets on a corrupted item?

drowsy slate
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nope...

plush field
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But i can socket an empty one right?

drowsy slate
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socket yes

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add socket or increase quality or adjust modifier nope

tribal jackal
wooden delta
tribal jackal
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u cannot put sockets on corrupted item

wooden delta
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use the portable ver

tribal jackal
sullen geyser
plush field
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Ty

drowsy slate
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my bad

tribal jackal
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you can change the runes inside corrupted items

novel crow
sullen geyser
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So that's the only reason?

novel crow
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yep and the fact I have a spare gem slot on arctic armour...

sullen geyser
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I'll stick to my own strat them but thx anyway

novel crow
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sure

sullen geyser
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Frost bomb have better exposure than one thru skill gem iirc so I buffed it and all my exposure is from the bomb

novel crow
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I mean arctic armour isn't even armour, it's a counterattack

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so I simply use it mainly for surprise attacks primarily

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enemies that rush you, it instakills most of them

sullen geyser
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I deal with surprise attacks much simplier

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I die

novel crow
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go on

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oh

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it took me ages to realise how good arctic armour is for that so I buff the shit out of it for those attacks

grave scroll
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As long as it works

sullen geyser
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Worthy 80exposure and using both cast on freeze and blink

novel crow
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Here's what I use with arctic armour

sullen geyser
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Well I die 95% of tge time from weird ranged attacks I couldn't even see anyway

novel crow
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AA won't help with that...

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that's why half my screen is filled with frost walls

sullen geyser
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Ye I know, that's why I don't use it

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It helped me a lot thru campaign tho

novel crow
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but those frost walls are from my COF, not manually placed

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I only place manual ones when I see melee attackers rushing me or a unique has gotten out of a freeze

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oh or a wall of poison dart throwing flowers lol

sullen geyser
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Poison darts from crabs are much more annoying tbh

novel crow
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a frost wall is also great for stuff that sits idle on the ground, you just place it on them, they wake up and die

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yeah those too

sullen geyser
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What maps you are on currently?

novel crow
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you mean tier?

sullen geyser
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Ye

novel crow
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17/18

tribal jackal
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after tier 13 maps are kinda the same

sullen geyser
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I guess I will return to using walls as a safe meaure later

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I am rn at 6-8 and I use walls mostly to nuke bosses or fat rares

novel crow
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yeah I tried doing without them but I found they were much safer scattered around, just make sure you do enough damage to easily clear them (use icicle with the manual ones)

sullen geyser
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Does damage of the wall depend on it's healty btw?

novel crow
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no

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the life only affects how hard it is to tear down

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the level determines the damage

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so decide if it's a defense or an attack, I like them exploding as they do tons of damage

sullen geyser
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Yea I'll nerf ice wall hp later then, forgot name of the gem

novel crow
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plus I don't like trapping myself

sullen geyser
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Icycle or smth

novel crow
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I can show you my build if you like, but it's permanently a work in progress

sullen geyser
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Doubt it will work for me

novel crow
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and nothing like the screen clearer of spark or anything

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yeah but gem combos maybe

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but sure whatever

sullen geyser
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Mine is a complete mess I started blindly and I will have to remake it from 0 probably

novel crow
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lawl I've respecced mine about 1000 times

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well not completely

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but I keep tweaking, I love that shit

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also change gear and suddenly the balance changes

sullen geyser
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In total is not that hard, but the whole tree at once will be annoying asf

novel crow
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a couple of days ago I finally got to 260 spirit and everything changed

sullen geyser
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What do you deal damage mainly from?

novel crow
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fireball->freeze->COF cold snap&frost wall

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cold snap the biggest damage, but it unfreezes them then they move and destroy the frost wall and take more damage

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the fireball itself is just an activator and doesn't do that much damage

sullen geyser
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I just freeze everything for more dmg intake and explode them with mana flare. With pure cold dmg build

novel crow
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oh sorry forgot to mention archmage

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i played with mana flare but archmage affects all attacks not just crits

sullen geyser
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Tried to go with fireballs but I just didn't like it for some reason

novel crow
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I like the speed of fireballs, other activators were clunky

sullen geyser
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Eye of winter?

novel crow
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hrm didn't play much with it don't remember

sullen geyser
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I use it for crit procs

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For mana flare

novel crow
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fireball worked for me, and I have a soft spot for it anyway

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oh right I see

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there are so many ways, gotta find what works for you

sullen geyser
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I wish it was possible to proc mana flare more often tho

novel crow
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yeah that's why I knew I'dhave to get archmage working eventually

sullen geyser
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Would be really funny to burn thru 100% of ur mana instantly no matter how much you have ngl

novel crow
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well yeah I have a shitton of mana regen and mana reduction to cope

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41% mana reduction

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every node on the passive tree

sullen geyser
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There is also skills to nerf triggers cost further

novel crow
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a screenfull all getting frozen can cost me 10,000 mana

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so yeah I put a lot into reducing that

sullen geyser
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I am not even close to that

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Yet

novel crow
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but a lot into meta energy to ensure every frozen rare is guaranteed to trigger COF

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I don't have 10k mana, that's my point lol

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so lots of reduction

sullen geyser
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What is COF?

novel crow
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cast on freeze

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you have to make sure you hit thresholds or it won't activate reliably

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the more gems you put in there, the higher the meta energy it needs

sullen geyser
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Well I didn't put anything insane so it works fine for me

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Just frost bolts spam for more freeze and less moving enemies

novel crow
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cold snap and frost wall need 130 max energy in COF

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icic

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oh that's a bad pun too

sullen geyser
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Is it really worth using cold snap tho?

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You can get 80% dmg bonus into frozen targets

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50 from frozen and 30 from hindered

novel crow
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average hit with my cold snap on pinnacle bosses according to pob is 240k

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that's just the cold snap, but it's the biggest part of the activation sequence

sullen geyser
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Ye but it's only once instead of everything else almost twice more dmg, no?

novel crow
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what?

sullen geyser
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What what?

novel crow
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wdym twice more damage

sullen geyser
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80% more

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For everything that hits frozen target

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No?

novel crow
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if they freeze and COF hasn't activated I hit them with a huge comet and that doesn't do as much damage as cold snap

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what's bigger?

sullen geyser
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Big skills near the one that makes 1hp but immune to chaos
Something like "enemies take 50% more damage from hirs while frozen"
And
"Hindered targets take 30% more dmg"

novel crow
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yes I have that

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it activates with cold snap

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the cold snap benefits from it

sullen geyser
novel crow
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played with others, they shit

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well, other cold

sullen geyser
novel crow
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I just checked and a 6 gem comet does the same damage as the cold snap, but has that massive windup

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and the cold snap is instant

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nope, the big damage comes from breaking the freeze from any attack

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so regardless of what you choose you need to break the freeze to get the big damage unless you want to sit there firing low power attacks till they unfreeze

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they don't add up

sullen geyser
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Mana flare deals 20% of your mana, if you have enough it should hit harder than breaking freeze 1 or 2 times I think

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I guess I'll have to test cold snap again, goodbye times when all enemies were afk around me

novel crow
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nope, tried it, and it's not reliable

sullen geyser
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Can't argue about reliability lmao
That shit sometimes doesn't proc after like 10 or 20 attacks with 40% crit

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Eh 10-20 hits I mean

novel crow
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with mobs my COF doesn't trigger unless it hits a lot of them, with magic enemies it needs to hit 3, with rares it hits 1 and it activates, with uniques it always activates

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always activates when they freeze that is

sullen geyser
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How often do you freeze uniques?

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Untill they die

novel crow
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hrm 2 or 3 hits?

sullen geyser
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Bosses are uniques right?

novel crow
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yes

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takes a few more with +4 bosses

sullen geyser
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Well for me i have them stand afk most of the time which saves me a lot while I am killing them. Idk if dmg from snap will help me that much tbh

novel crow
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sure like I said there are an infinite number of ways of doing this

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I just found what works for me

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also POB can't accurately work out a DPS with a cast-on skill because it assumes they get activated according to the cast time, which isn't the case

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so I only pay attention to the average hit value

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otherwise if it were right I'd be doing 1.7M dps which I'm clearly not

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I can easily do more than that spread out amongst multiple enemies, but that's not what DPS is meant to be and is of no help against a single unique bos

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I estimate it peaks at about 350k

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but I'm also lv95, hopefully 6 soon

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definitely not one of the big hit builds, but fun AF to play

delicate fiber
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So how are people doing 100k like DPS meanwhile I only get 30k DPS at max

glass oar
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wife and i are having trouble with getting obelisks and other endgame stuff, but we dont have problems clearing t15 maps, any videos / guides that might help us?

novel crow
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we are calculating the damage with POB, the amount shown in the game can't take into account activation effects

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things like "more damage if frozen, more damage after crit, more damage if immobilised, more if used multiple skills" etc etc.

delicate fiber
novel crow
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items

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the items make or break you

delicate fiber
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Hmmmmm

sullen geyser
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Or insanely broken builds but that's probably not ur case

novel crow
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and sometimes the number is always going to look low because of the nature of the attack

delicate fiber
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I only got 6 divines rn

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And stuff are pretty expensive

novel crow
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yeah just keep farming and upgrading

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that's what we're all doing

sullen geyser
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Last guy I'v seen who could clear the whole screen with 1 tap said he spent like 100+ divines on items

novel crow
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be very selective with gear

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well I'd say I'm getting close to having spent 100 divs now so...

delicate fiber
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Should I run low tier rare maps or high tier magic maps?

novel crow
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i've probably spent 80?

sullen geyser
delicate fiber
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I tried crafting

novel crow
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30k with 3 divs is good

delicate fiber
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So I didn't buy stuff

novel crow
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I wouldn't bother crafting till very late

sullen geyser
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Crafting sucks tbh

novel crow
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unless you want to run SSF

delicate fiber
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Well I learnt it hard way

sullen geyser
novel crow
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big learning curve is big

delicate fiber
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Also what DPS I need to try citadel boss?

novel crow
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depends on your skill level...

sullen geyser
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I had only 1 div so far and do 20-25k dps I think. Or big nukes with 100-120k a few times per boss

delicate fiber
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Is there a penalty for death in citadel?

novel crow
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30k is enough to try, if you're defensive enough or can dodge the attacks

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yes there is

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death always hurts in endgame

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so I usually tackle hard stuff as soon as I level up

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since there's no XP to lose

delicate fiber
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I got 30k from a perfect jewel orb drop that i used from storm wave

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It was 25k before that

novel crow
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nice

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finish a levelling, then take on a citadel

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when you are at 0% towards next level

delicate fiber
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I have 20% chaos res tho

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Others are capped

novel crow
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doesn't matter, most don't do chaos dmg

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look up guides, I don't recall chaos from the citadel bosses

sullen geyser
lusty spear
novel crow
tawdry jasper
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Mechanics is the key word here.

sullen geyser
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?

novel crow
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let's say you're level 87

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as soon as you get to level 88, take on a citadel

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even if you die, you don't level down

lusty spear
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Citadels best div farm strat ngl

sullen geyser
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Is there anything special on lvl88 or just an example

novel crow
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just an example

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could be 80-81, 90-91 or whatever

delicate fiber
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Can I reset maps without killing the last rare mob?

novel crow
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the XP penalty is 10% towards the next level

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for dying

lusty spear
sullen geyser
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I am currently 75 but idk where to go in a skill tree tbh

novel crow
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so if you've made zero progress towards the next level, dying costs you nothing but the map

tawdry jasper
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Thank you for the information Ittaku.

sullen geyser
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Maybe I'll just use the rest to get that 3 skill combo of 1hp but ur hp is mana

delicate fiber
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Also when you get item drops with like "***** (tier 4)"
What is the 4 actually meant?

glass oar
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it means that the affixes cant roll below a certain value

novel crow
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better implicit mods, higher values

delicate fiber
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Is 4 the maximum?

novel crow
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tier 5 are the best

delicate fiber
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Ah ok

sullen geyser
novel crow
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they can still be garbage due to poor choice of affixes

sullen geyser
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Oh t5 max

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Sad

glass oar
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universral rule is... it always rolls better for someone else...

novel crow
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and you always get +accuracy

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which almost no one needs

glass oar
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light radius

novel crow
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or both!

glass oar
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although aparently neither of those can show up on tier5

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or maybe i read it wrong

novel crow
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orly?

sullen geyser
novel crow
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I've thrown out 100x more t5 than I've sold, so I'm sure there's lots of garbage

sullen geyser
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It's a curse no doubt

glass oar
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grass is always greener (or redder or bluer depending), unless you that 6.5m dps spark build with the MF friend...

sullen geyser
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True

glass oar
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im still lost on what to be doing... grinding t15s but thats not getting us closer to whatever is after as we dont even know whats after

novel crow
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citadels then pinnacle bosses

glass oar
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we havent been able to beat citadels and not sure how to progress

novel crow
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or you could be like me and use levelling as your target

glass oar
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we lvl 92 invoker / witch

novel crow
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I'm gonna aim for 99

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my issue is I'm an old man and I just can't get gud against boss mechanics so I will do more of everything else

glass oar
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makes sense

novel crow
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I couldn't kill maven for 9 months on poe1, finally killed her with my only lv100 character

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zzz

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laters

dusky star
glass oar
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im finding them... we died badly to the boss... im thinking next time a white t15 map might be a better choice

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sorry citadels

dusky star
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a decent amount of dmg + a reliable way to get freeze/etc. up fairly fast really helps on citadel bosses, helps if you burst through them fast

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but if your builds are self-cooked, they may not do much dmg

glass oar
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i have 60k ice strike listed dps

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which doesnt feel like much

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probably went too deep into defensive stats... and havent been able to keep up dps

dusky star
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not terribly much, no - if struggling to get currency for upgrades, stuff like level 79+ logbooks sell for a lot in bulk, or whatever else your build does well

glass oar
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finding things that are actually upgrades seems to be the issue...e verything looks like a sidegrade or is 50div

dusky star
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even using trade?

lethal summit
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what's the name of the expensive legendary belt?

dusky star
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ingenuity?

lethal summit
halcyon cave
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Headhunter

slow ore
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How am I suppose to go back up after killing boss and complete the map?

halcyon cave
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Yeah but I don’t think GGG gives a shit. It may be possible with blink shenanigans.

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I see the portal icon—if you don’t put that there you can exit to chat select and then re-enter map. It’s not great.

kind eagle
nocturne escarp
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what is the best boxes to take in trial of sekhnmas?

slow ore
fresh jetty
slow ore
glass oar
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oof they still didnt fix that couch coop death freeze bug... annoying

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wife died on t15 boss, was looting bossloot when locked up... fun!

wary oxide
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does pinnacle boss/trial boss drop get affected by magic find +rarity?

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or it's totally random?

mossy loom
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so at arbiter, it will work for rare items, currency etc, but not for farming regalia for example

hollow parcel
shell fjord
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In trade filter how do you select to only show item without a specific modifier but should have 1 modifer? Ex: I want the boots to have movement spee but should not have cold resistance

shell fjord
shell fjord
mossy loom
bleak urchin
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oh yeah that exists

shell fjord
# mossy loom

Tried that but that restricts me to only put stats that I don't need.

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I want to also filter with some stats I need

shell fjord
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Didn't know we can do that

small estuary
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Something weird just happened. I was in a Trial of Sekhemas when I got hit by something and it immediately ended my run, even though it didn't kill me (UI showed HP left after the hit) and didn't remove all Honor. It was a regular Gauntlet room, not a boss. Any idea what that could have been?

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(I hate Gauntlet rooms so much)

keen valve
median vector
small estuary
median vector
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are you using any honor resistance idols?

small estuary
mossy loom
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ugh, ive heard about some weird combo of omen and affliction that deals phys dmg, but it was just at the start of game

median vector
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If you arent capped on honor res you can absolutely take a 1 hit honor KO in certain combinations

mossy loom
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idk if still exists, but it was possible to get hit, drop to low life due to affliction dmg, and omen gives life back, but for some reason sekhema counted this as death

median vector
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could be that too

mossy loom
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but as i said, it was just at the start of the game, and im pretty sure it was fixed at some point xd

hollow parcel
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can i upgrade lvl 19 skill currupted to lvl 20?

small estuary
hollow parcel
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ty

median vector
median vector
hollow parcel
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i'm trying for 5 gems

mossy loom
median vector
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thats why you need capped honor res if you want to be safe

small estuary
median vector
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iirc if you would take damage but it is reduced by a defence, it isnt reduced when dealt to your honor

mossy loom
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im not sure about block, never played it enough to test

small estuary
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I think I saw blocked hit not doing honor damage

median vector
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I assume block reduces damage you take but still does the hit to you? If so then it should hit honor for the full amount

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Ive never played block character either

small estuary
mossy loom
median vector
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Could go either way then, just depends on how they coded it.

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Ive not played a block character yet so i dunno personally

mossy loom
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if we count it like in poe1, evade also means getting hit but not taking dmg

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while dodge means not getting hit at all

small estuary
median vector
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It could very well be a bug, but I doubt it since you arent honor capped

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The most likely answer is you got a big honor hit, but hard to tell without a video to review since GGG hates any kind of logging

small estuary
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By the way, got any advice on how to deal with a powerful Rare in a tiny room with a lever I'd have to press and cornered by traps on exit?

median vector
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have some way to stunlock him or just have super OP defenses

mossy loom
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one thing at the time i suppose? kill rare, then lever

south frigate
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So, I had 4 points in the boss tree. Killed the boss on a t16 irradiated, corrupted map. I have 6 points in the boss tree.

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What is going on here?

mossy loom
south frigate
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Shouldn't it give me the next 4 points?

mossy loom
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no, youll get only points for specific stage

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not all stages before

small estuary
south frigate
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So I have to backtrack which level I missed?!

mossy loom
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correct

south frigate
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Quite unlike the ascension points. Damnit

median vector
mossy loom
median vector
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electrocute, evasion, freeze, most good builds have a way to negate the enemies way to deal damage in the first place

small estuary
mossy loom
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or enough dmg to just.. kill it before mob can do anything

median vector
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If you are having to reduce the damage taken you already lost the first battle

small estuary
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What do you think would work better, electrocute or freeze as far as minions go?

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I never tried anything other than my arsonists

median vector
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I like electrocute more, but I dunno about minion builds so take that with a grain of salt

wooden delta
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game bugged for no reason and i couldnt dodge or attack anything for awhile, died because of it. Is this normal? XD

median vector
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electrocute synergizes well with the extra damage from being shocked so I love it

mossy loom
#

could be stun, freeze, pin, electrocute, all of them will prevent moving, well, pin will prevent attacks only if they move

small estuary
wintry aspen
cerulean dagger
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Would anyone be able to suggest a good starter build to start farming currency with? I’m interested in going Blood Mage Arc, but it seemed more like a build that you go into as a 2nd character.

wintry aspen
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how does this work

small estuary
wooden delta
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only my character

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could more but not attack or dodge

#

was using my wand so no blink either

mossy loom
# wintry aspen

you need first power charges to use it (as it says on the gem)

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most common source is combat frenzy spirit gem + resonance keystone on the skill tree

bleak urchin
small estuary
wintry aspen
median vector
mossy loom
wooden delta
bleak urchin
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weird

small estuary
wintry aspen
wooden delta
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weird, i wasnt on my set 2

mossy loom
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(console have it on the bottom i think? im not sure)

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blue balls around char, and buff icon

wintry aspen
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is aw em but still cannot use the skill

mossy loom
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are you sure you got the power charges? there are 2 other (green and blue)
are you sure you actually had them? they have duration, and they can expire
are you sure you didnt.. you know, consume them using charged staff for that buff?

wintry aspen
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im not sure man

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i dont even know how this build works

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😦

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in video bro was like mcqueen

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im slow af

median vector
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do you have the right passive node that converts the points into the ones you need?

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The problem with blindly following a video guide is you dont understand how the passives work together

wintry aspen
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i didnt watch the video tho

mossy loom
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i mean combo is quite easy, combat frenzy spirit gem + resonance, and freezing/electrocute something for charges so you can consume them for charged staff buff

wintry aspen
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maybe im missing resonance

median vector
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its a lynchpin passive that allows that build to work.

wintry aspen
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yeah i still didnt hit that one snice im lvl 60

median vector
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💀

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This is why you dont just blindly follow guides and try to emulate them without understanding when/why you use certain skills/passives

mossy loom
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it should be one of the first things grabbed in tree, charged staff gives that shockwave

sullen geyser
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You guys playing thru guides?

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Isn't that boring?

mossy loom
#

extra hit on the bell, easly gives dmg spike on the bosses

wintry aspen
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bro was like mcqueen

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then i made a new char

median vector
#

😐

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Ya played yourself

mossy loom
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(btw it sounds like stat stacker, if im correct, it will be hard ride really soon)

mossy loom
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go blind if you want, but at some point you will search for info anyway, and guides for similar builds will be best source

median vector
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Yup, guides should be used to help break through a wall you encounter, not blindly followed

sullen geyser
mossy loom
#

exacly, it will take some time to understand basics, and even then without actually looking at some math psycho that calculated to the last point specific mechanic, it will be hard to even see whats possible, before learning stuff about it

sullen geyser
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It's fun to finally have proper exploration tho

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And not for just a few hours

mossy loom
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and we have guys like that, using this screen as example, gl looking which skill is best for ignite base

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but.. there is 1 guy that actually calculated them all XD

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(ofc theyre poe1 skills, i dont know if someone calcs stuff like that in poe2 yet)

sullen geyser
mossy loom
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i think eve is harder in that specific topic(?) just becuase you need to actually use source like example above, in poe you need to just "ah this is quite good" and then try build around it yourself without actually doing math yourself

sullen geyser
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I mean just the fact someone playing excel instead of an actual game

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But ye

median vector
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Yup, the thankfully this game can easily get you from level 1 to ~80 mapping with just reading the tooltips and using your brain, but if you want to be atlas maxing and farming divs you definitely need to get some outside help eventually unless youre some kind of wunderkind

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Easy to play, hard to master is my kind of game

mossy loom
mossy loom
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if yes, thats stat stacker, you cant really play it without key items

dull plank
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pillage

mossy loom
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pillar

wintry aspen
mossy loom
mossy loom
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just as base

sullen geyser
mossy loom
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also its meta build atm, so items will be quite expensive on the trade, rolling them yourself is not that easy, on top of that you still need to cap your resistances, get some defensive etc

mossy loom
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idk prices right now, and i dont know how early you can swap into this to be better than just simple storm wave build

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i assume few divines?

proper hazel
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really depends on how high the stats need to be for it to work, idk the values off hand but for decently high stats you'll likely need ingenuity+stat rings so somewhere in the area of 30-50 div on the cheaper end depending on desired stat amounts

mossy loom
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yeah this for sure, but i was thinking about bare minimum, gloves are like ~1div maybe? probably less atm for some meh rolls

#

pillar is free pretty much

#
  • some double stat items with res
proper hazel
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the gloves and staff will likely be the cheapest of the items really

wintry aspen
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i have items

mossy loom
#

but as i said, idk at what point it will be better than just storm wave

wintry aspen
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howa ingunity some rings amulet with stats

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but idk what to focus on

#

i want to be fast

mossy loom
#

look at your weapon, there is stat that scales attack speed

mossy loom
wintry aspen
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i need mobility not attack speed

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dont know if they are related

proper hazel
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possibly, really depends on rolls.... a low roll ingenuity and low stat rings wont make a huge difference depending on the stat totals needed

mossy loom
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more attack speed more movement

wintry aspen
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yes and its slow : (

mossy loom
#

thats why i said look at your weapon, read which one scales attack speed

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focus on it

wintry aspen
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yes sir

proper hazel
#

realistically for stat stacker you also want astra as well but idk that its fully necessary lol

radiant beacon
#

Should i trade my 2 div or just hold onto them

wintry aspen
mossy loom
radiant beacon
#

how much is an ingenuity belt

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like 20?

wintry aspen
#

how much % needed

mossy loom
#

70+% is around 15div

proper hazel
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I would expect the market to start fallin fairly soon, alot of people are winding down til the next league... plus new games drawing players away but its hard to say for certain how much or exactly when its going to drop noticeably

proper hazel
radiant beacon
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holy

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so maybe 2 isnt getting me anywhere lol

wintry aspen
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you can buy 40%

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maybe 35%

proper hazel
wintry aspen
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grind more and buy at lesat 50% imo

radiant beacon
#

alr

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im only doing t7 maps rn

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so i have some time

proper hazel
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maybe you'll get lucky with people giving out stuff as well, alot of people starting to leave until the next league will give out divs and gear as they have no use for it once new league starts

radiant beacon
#

are leagues like rust wipes?

wintry aspen
#

yes

proper hazel
#

pretty much, current stash/characters go to separate server(most people wont play them anymore) and you start fresh

radiant beacon
#

do they say when the next league is or is it random

proper hazel
radiant beacon
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alr, thanks guys

wintry aspen
#

summer

sullen geyser
#

Do expedition npc sell random stuff or it gets better later?

latent wind
#

just a warning: Peddler's Rain Hideout Decorations is bugged so dont bother getting that

mossy loom
#

but thats all

left talon
#

does elmental innvocation meta skill not work with skills? I tried both ball lightening and eye of winter and neither one seems to actiavte when i am just sitting at 100% energy on the skill

lapis willow
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U need to put elemental invocation on ur bar and click it when u are ready

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Its manual

lapis willow
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I saw some posts on reddit who got it from gambling but chance is near 0. Anyway i believe gambling for amulets is best anyway

slow ore
#

can some one tell me how much spirit i can get from all acts ?

lapis willow
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Book giving points on ritual atlas is dropping only for owner of invitation or i can get friend with me and he got points also?

slow ore
lapis willow
slow ore
lapis shard
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hello i need help ritual, what's the strategy not to lose these? if I buy 1, will the other 2 be gone?

bleak jackal
#

bug i'm assuming?

bleak jackal
#

resurgence

keen valve
#

if you mean resurgence? then no bug

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you dropped from like 95% to 0% you never had "low life"

scenic agate
#

quick question.... Quantity of Relics caps at 20% on relics right? just making sure I'm not mis searching

scenic agate
#

damn 😦

bleak jackal
tiny skiff
scenic agate
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I was wanting to break 200% with the boon, but its annoying to do 😦

tiny skiff
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Because the boon buffing relics would go to 100%

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Ah I see

scenic agate
#

yeah getting 100% is easy, but you need every slot to hit the 150 ish

tiny skiff
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I mean, running 77% and desperate alliance is probably better currency/hour than 200%

scenic agate
#

can be tricky without the extra merchant choices

tiny skiff
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movement speed + relic chance on the rest

keen valve
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always go for +100% relic drops. there is no guarantee to get the 30% boon

#

you can also drop 3 uniqes if you have enought %

tiny skiff
#

with 6x merchant choices and hunting them the first 2 acts it's pretty much guaranteed

scenic agate
#

yeah, running 3 choice and 130% atm

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well, about 130

#

prob gonna drop that to 100 and 6 like you said if I can't actually hit 200

tiny skiff
#

And with Desperate alliance you make safe profit each run

keen valve
#

safe profit when you get a crap against the darkness? 😄

tiny skiff
#

Just sell it unid?

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They sell for 4 or 5 div last I did the runs, and desperate alliance costs 2

wintry aspen
#

hey. im following fubguns att stacker guide for gemling. it recommends to use mom however it has no connection in his passive tree. am i missing sth?

keen valve
#

I mean yeah, that also works but I rather just sell my DA for 3d

scenic agate
#

I'm too much of a gambler to sell un-id's 😦

keen valve
#

you have to click on the tab at the top of his guide

wintry aspen
#

should i follow this one

#

i just have mana flasks but not stellar etc.

#

also jewels etc. are not good as well

#

just the flask

keen valve
#

the flask should be the last thing that you get

wintry aspen
#

i have it on my spark

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i didnt buy it for that build

keen valve
#

you mentioned you're lvl 60 earlier so go with the lvling guide or mix it with the endgame one

wintry aspen
#

lvl does not matter

#

i get 1-2 lvl per map

#

i can get to 80s in an hour or sth

#

just trying to complete the items

keen valve
#

it does matter because you're limited in the amount of passive tree points

wintry aspen
#

yes

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but even i get to 90

#

still the endgame one not connected

#

i was wondering about it

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if the mom is keystone of build

keen valve
#

no. you can play without it

keen valve
#

king of the mist is a scam DivineOrbSad

tribal jackal
wintry aspen
keen valve
#

bought 7 and got 1 belt out of it 😄

#

crappy deal

mental pendant
#

i'm newbie for breach content .. so is my atlas wrong? i just want to focus for a splinters.

mossy loom
#

go packsize imo

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or, if you dont have good enough clear, slower breach - packsize

sand kestrel
#

There's literally no way to get to this citadel from the main land SMH. The two points that should connect, don't. The top bridge over water doesn't and the tower at the bottom doesnt.

median vector
#

welcome to EA

mental pendant
mossy loom
#

ive explored about 60 maps to the right and left, without connection

sand kestrel
mossy loom
#

welp, at the end i was saved by another bug

#

about 20maps above that citadel

bronze sage
#

hey guys any good idea to do with bad tier 15 waystone that i dont wanna use?/

#

like is there a way to trade them for other one?

keen valve
bronze sage
#

i tried but i cant reforge tier 15

keen valve
#

sorry, you're right

dusky star
keen valve
#

brain is not braining today

bronze sage
#

never seld stuff in bulk before so i gotta figure that out first

dusky star
#

can just join TFT and see which ones are WTB'ing

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the forbidden trove poe discord

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(or if you use gold for profit, you can just vendor them for gold yourself and convert the gold to ex/div)

bronze sage
#

thats seem like a good idea too

tiny skiff
river violet
#

Without spoiling any of the fights, are the citadel bosses the same as the campaign, or are there bosses/mechanics that would be brand new? I'm deciding how I want to approach them on hardcore

scenic torrent
#

How does live search work?

dusky plaza
#

what tier waystones can i do with 12k dps lightning arrow, deadeye?

scenic torrent
#

Jamanra rough

mossy loom
ornate lark
dusky plaza
scenic torrent
barren nymph
lapis shard
#

hello poe veterans, what does this video meant by liquidation? I watched it and why ppl are trading their items to him?

dusky plaza
keen valve
barren nymph
mossy loom
barren nymph
#

liqudation refers to selling an asset to "liquid" currency. Because not all players want that item, but all players want divines / exalts

#

so liquid currency here just refers to divine / exalts, and liqudation is the process of changing your assets (in this case, items) to divines

lapis shard
#

alright, thanks guys. really helpful 🫡

radiant beacon
#

do yall think i should go acrobatics with this much evasion?

mossy loom
radiant beacon
#

alright perfect ty

deft vortex
#

im doing almost no damage and taking a lot of damage now that ive completed the campaign. my builds a gemling merc and im going for a grenade build but its just not working for maps and idk what to do.

#

im stuck at level 66 now

keen valve
#

and since you mentioned that you're getting a lot of dmg you should get your resistances as close to 75% as possible

deft vortex
#

thats the thing, i dont have any exalts becuase i spent it on the trade site for my crossbow i have now and it was working for the campaign now its just bad.

#

ive been trying to get my res up but everyone wants divs or exalts for actually decent gear

river violet
keen valve
#

also check if all your gear has quality

#

I don't know how often I forgot sockets and/or quality 😄

deft vortex
#

all my gear has some quality and my chest piece has 2 sockets used for cold prot and my helmet has a socket too

ornate lark
deft vortex
median vector
river violet
#

That's 24% res you're leaving on the table

ornate lark
novel dagger
#

self sufficient on early gearing early on instead of overly rely on trade, more so especially if this is your first character, you are definitely not swimming in currencies upon first campaign completion
socket ALL your gears, and slot in runes to fix resists. GGG also patched the socket now you can replace runes.

deft vortex
#

oh okay

deft vortex
novel dagger
#

ES wouldnt be the focus early on tbh, it's not like you can get enough of them to be meaningful

keen valve
deft vortex
#

very..

keen valve
#

what's your ign?

#

good thing is you can still socket it 😄

deft vortex
#

awesome, my name is goKapow

ornate lark
finite sequoia
#

What should I do with crappy precursor tablets (e.g., shrine and experience modifiers)? I can't seem to reforge, and the wiki doesn't seem to indicate that vaaling it will do anything

mossy loom
#

outside of this.. drop on the ground or sell to vendor? UHM

finite sequoia
#

Ah, looks like they need to have the same implicits to reforge

mossy loom
#

ah, yes, you cant reforge breach with ritual

finite sequoia
#

Do monsters that already existed before a breach count towards breach rewards if you kill them during the breach?

hot dust
#

I have a question, if in currency exchange i want adaptive catalyst and i have exalted orbs and the market ratio is 1:3.80, doesn't it mean the "average" price for 100 adaptive catalysts is 380 exalted orbs?

mossy loom
clever badge
#

can some one help me and my friend leveling from act 2

#

we have div we can give you some

finite sequoia
finite sequoia
finite sequoia
# hot dust I have a question, if in currency exchange i want adaptive catalyst and i have e...

If you hold alt while mousing over the ratio, you can see what the most amount of exalteds buyers are currently offering for 1 adaptive catalyst. As you can see here, while there is a seller offering 1:3.8, the most generous buyer is offering 3.55 exalteds for 1 adaptive catalyst.

So what you can do if you want to save a bit of money is slightly beat out the most generous buyer. So, for example, offer 18 exalteds for 5 adaptive catalysts (1:3.6). This way your offer will be the first one that people will grab if they are offering to sell adaptive catalysts immediately. That is, on their screen, they'll see your offer (1:3.6) when they select "I want exalteds and I have adaptive catalysts".

For high-volume currency exchanges, like exalteds to divines, the "spread" between buyers and sellers is extremely slim. But for less common exchanges you can arbitrage a decent amount https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage

Arbitrage (, UK also ) is the practice of taking advantage of a difference in prices in two or more markets – striking a combination of matching deals to capitalize on the difference, the profit being the difference between the market prices at which the unit is traded. Arbitrage has the effect of causing prices of the same or very similar asset...

undone lagoon
#

does anyone know how to fix this? im on pc/controller ui. The loot i see it but im not fast enoough to get it and this keeps happening. The loot from the boss is like this too

ornate lark
#

press z on keybord @undone lagoon

idle hazel
#

Toggle item labels. It is Z with keyboard and mouse, and should be a 'skill' you can select on the controller UI, as well as being found in the settings.

lethal summit
#

just got my last citadel fragment. how hard is the final thingy?

#

arbiter is it?

undone lagoon
indigo yarrow
#

What prism of belief have the best price?

keen valve
lethal summit
deft vortex
keen valve
south frigate
#

Guys, is there any reason to hoard djinn baryas? I've defeated the trial master (coolerst boss so far), so I don't need them for ascension points

#

And I don't particularly enjoy the gameplay there

keen valve
deft vortex
#

i used 2 exalt orbs to get a good cross bow and the one piece of armor brought my health from 1100 to 1500 and shield from 32 to 400

lethal summit
south frigate
keen valve
#

but you can farm the trial of sekhemas too for stuff like relics

covert dragon
#

whats venerating a maraketh shrine

#

in trial of the sigma

#

is it the basin that restores honour?

keen valve
covert dragon
#

aight thanks

lethal summit
minor void
#

Ugh man I always get terrible moriors -_-

wooden delta
#

damn i finally dropped a perfect jewelrer's orb

covert dragon
#

what does this drop?

ornate lark
covert dragon
#

i opened it

#

yeah unique jewel that looks valuable

#

i got 3 of this chest

wooden delta
#

grand spectrum jewels

keen valve
covert dragon
wooden delta
#

depends on which one u got

#

nvermind

#

bro got all of em 💀

keen valve
covert dragon
#

is the mod on them always the same?

#

4% all res
2% life
2% spirit

#

sapphire is 10 div on trade tf lol

keen valve
#

if you mean they all got the same affix then yes but you can corrupt it

#

so the sapphire can go to 3% or 5%

covert dragon
#

crazy shit

keen valve
#

the spectrum chest is the best btw. spectrum -> time-lost -> cache -> arkanist I'd say

misty meadow
#

Does anyone know if there are any Omens that are only available at lvl 82 (tier 18 maps)?

keen valve
#

you get them all on lower lvl maps too from rituals

misty meadow
#

Any reason someone would prefer to play T18 instead of T17 purely from Rituals POV?

keen valve
#

nah

covert dragon
#

whats on cache and arcanist ?

keen valve
#

cache holds normal jewels and arcanist currency

kindred lynx
#

holy shit i did not expect the 4th trial boss to have that much health
i managed to beat it but man my heart rate was actually elevated

kindred lynx
#

i will pass on the congratulations to my frost mage skellies they hard carried
if i was still running arsonists+flamewalls i wouldve died from not seeing any of his attacks lmao

somber yoke
#

Yo high 5 just beat the 4th ascendcy lol

keen valve
#

congrats to you too

somber yoke
#

Went with 1.5k honor was scrambling

solid basalt
#

is warcry warrior good?

radiant beacon
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should i take acro off?

lethal summit
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how do i transform 300 breach splinters into a stone?

kindred kraken
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if it didnt transform right away, just take 1 spliter off and then restack them

lethal summit
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oh and

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where do it use it? 😅 -nvm found it 🙂

keen valve
radiant beacon
keen valve
keen valve
lethal summit
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just beat it (the first one ofc)

misty meadow
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Man... What would it be better? 800k dps in tooltip instead of 700k or to keep 700k but have 83% all ele res instead of 75%?

keen valve
lethal summit
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i almost managed to keep at the edge of the breach

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and the boss's main attack took out my spirit shield basically

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but mana remained intact

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i'm a CI/EB/amulet guy

keen valve
lethal summit
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gonna try doing again now

onyx chasm
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WTF how i have sheild

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Comme on GGG ,_, Come on

lethal summit
radiant beacon
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should i trade 2 div for perfect jewelers orb?

lethal summit
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you should prob convert to exalts first

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i think 1 perfect is not worth 2 divs

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@radiant beacon

radiant beacon
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alr

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is it worth trading for tho?

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or should i just wait and drop one

lethal summit
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the extra support gem is meaningful

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and 1.5 divs sounds like a fair price

radiant beacon
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Can i still add it to my thing if its corrupted? i got +1 lvl

lethal summit
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also, not you can get the orb via currency exchange, you don-t hwave to use trade site (in case you are)

lethal summit
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what thing is corrupted?

radiant beacon
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can i add a perfect jewelers orb to a corrupted skill gem

vague pike
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No

lethal summit
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oh i didn't know you could corrupt skill gems

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should i do that? 🫢

vague pike
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Eventually yes.

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To get 20+1

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For 21

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But use a lower level gem to do it.

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Like get a Level 14. Craft the skill you want. Get 20% quality on it. Then use 3 jewelers orbs for 5 sockets

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and then Vaal it and hope for +1

radiant beacon
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so id have to get all 5 sockets before corruption?

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so nvm then, i got +1 on my 4 socket ice strike

vague pike
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Yes. It cannot both give you +1 to sockets and +1 to level

lethal summit
vague pike
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If you do what I say and get +1

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Then you can use a 20 gem ontop of that

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You can still level up gems after corruption

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You just cant add sockets/quality

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Its cheaper to gamble on say a level 14 gem

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than 20s

lethal summit
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oooooh

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ok i think i see now

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well, i haven't had any lvl 20 gems yet

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speaking of which... are they stupid rare?

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cause i've been running t15ss for a good while now

vague pike
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This is something you do when you are already level 85-90+ and got good gear

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You need to run T17-18s to see them

lethal summit
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i'm lvl 91

vague pike
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Ive seen 1 in a T17

lethal summit
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and got dece gear i'd say

vague pike
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Rest have been in T18

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and pinnacle bosses

lethal summit
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oh... i thought max maps was t16

vague pike
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Max for the waystone.

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If the map node is corrupted + Irradiated thans +2 to tier

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Irradiated = +1 tier

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Corruption = +1 tier

lethal summit
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wait. corrupted? u use vaal orbs on map nodes?

vague pike
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No

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Some areas are corrupted

lethal summit
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oh the thing with coalesced something?

vague pike
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The red icon

lethal summit
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yeye

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ok so if i put a t16 on a map with those 2 things

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i'm doing it right?

vague pike
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Yes.

lethal summit
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i see

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should i be actively trying to do that combo?

vague pike
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Ideally you want nodes with Boss/Corruption/Breach etc. And then use maps with Quantity/Rarity etc

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For your best waystones yes

lethal summit
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ok ok