#About the drag click situation

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torn nest
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I think for someone to be banned for drag clicking, there should be more evidence than js basic block spam. People are getting banned for "drag clicking" basic 3 block clutches 🙏

Idk how you can tell that someone is dragging and not butterflying from their block spam

I'm not sure what other evidence could be useful other than blockspam but I kinda wish that this system could be improved.

dreamy heron
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I totally agree, the system relies on only a POV and on a moderator's discretion. I think that atleast a few clips should be provided and sentinel could be improved to keep track of players clicking output.

humble oasis
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Unfortunately, to clear this up for you the reason that anything drag clicked (even minor things) is banned is simply because cubecraft has banned ALL FORMS of drag clicking

It is a final decision on their behalf and they will not be changing anything related to it

Hopes I could help! @torn nest

dreamy heron
# humble oasis Unfortunately, to clear this up for you the reason that anything drag clicked (e...

@humble oasis You are missing the actual issue. Nobody is arguing whether drag clicking is allowed or not, everyone knows its banned.

The problem is HOW you are determining it.

Basic block spam from POV isnt evidence of drag clicking. Butterfly, jitter, or even normal fast placements combined with lag can look identical. If the only "proof" is a single clip and mod discretion, then the punishment becomes inconsistent and players get false banned.

If the rule is absolute, then the evidence used to enforce it should be just as clear. Right now it isnt.

humble oasis
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I understand that it may have been a false ban. However, you still must appeal in the forum

For the evidence part, yes, I can agree that it may have been unfair. But whenever a moderator takes an action as necessary, you still must take the proper procedures in order to appeal it. False moderation actions are never revoked by a higher-up. And besides, abusive actions/power by a moderator can be reported via staff feedback.

So yes, the evidence seems like it isnt enough in my opinion. But the moderator already took action, therefore member must appeal it!

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@dreamy heron

distant ermine
dreamy heron
# humble oasis I understand that it may have been a false ban. However, you still must appeal i...

You are repeating the process, not addressing the flaw. Nobody is confused about WHERE to appeal, the issue is that the appeals themselves get denied even when the player proves the action wasnt drag clicking.

If the system is built so that:

  1. mods can easily ban based on weak POV evidence,
  2. appeals get denied even with recreated proof, and
  3. higher ups never overturn false bans,

then the "proper procedure" doesnt actually fix false moderation. It just funnels players into a dead end.

Pointing people to an appeal system that statistically wont help isnt a solution, it's deflection

distant ermine
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To add further, If drag clicking was going to be fully banned, then they should have also planned for the false bans that come with it. Their own rules say players should avoid going over 15 cps because the anticheat might false kick, and they also claim the moderation team will give "benefit of the doubt" and literally overlook accidental double clicks. But in practice, none of that actually happens. The enforcement doesnt match the rules at ALL.

rare gate
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Drag clicking or double clicking bans should be accepted if the player who is reporting provides enough information as players can easily spam blocks just by butterfly clicking or jitter clicking which may look like it’s drag clicking.

quiet berry
distant ermine
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Meanwhile the innocents are js getting banned falsely

quiet berry
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Even my clutches are sometimes mistaken for drag and I play on mobile with joystick and tap to interact 💀

jade atlas
rare gate
torn nest
quiet berry
rare gate
torn nest
quiet berry
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What kind of controller do you have

near oxide
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Id vouch for this as i have fallen victim to this as wel. Id say that the movement should be properly monitored and thought upon b4 enforcing a ban on a player. Since it affects the genuine players as wel coz most of the good players use various techniques to increase their clicks as has been the tradition from the dawn of minecraft multi-player games. It gives them a chance to give rise to newer techniques and ways to make the gameplay fun and interactive. It spikes the opponents competitive nature to find a counter to those tricks. But if all this were to be reduced to ALL ACTION BANS it would basically take the fun out of the multi-player games for the upper echelon of players.

Its not just 1 server, many servers have taken onto account either in bedrock or java have this enabled with good enforcement rules which can clear people off of falsebans by labelling them as genuine if a proper handcam with evidence of that action has been provided.

And moderators must be open to rejudmenets if their initial judgment gets challenged again since "TOO err is human" and error making is second personality to human nature. Its not like if the moderator said NO to revoke ban one time it shouldnot be that ALL METHODS of re appeals and reaching out to the moderator get blocked

quiet berry
rare gate
quiet berry
torn nest
quiet berry
torn nest
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but anything further I can't

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I'm trying to improve

humble oasis
quiet berry
acoustic nova
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I agree to @torn nest mods are banning legit players

distant ermine
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🙏

quiet berry
distant ermine
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ye

quiet berry
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So either address the thread or like
Don't reply

humble oasis
distant ermine
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"it was a decision, and the member must understand it"???

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even if the decision made is completely based on some individual's discretion and is being proved false by the member?

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still?

rare gate
humble oasis
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Yes, it is controversial. I told you this many times. I AGREE that this may be/is a false action. But what you need to know is that im not going against you dude. Im trying to help you understand according to what cubecraft takes this in as. If the appeal is false, members MUST still appeal.

rare gate
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of course anyone who got banned will appeal in order to get unbanned

distant ermine
rare gate
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I have fallen victim for this too as well, i never drag clicked or double clicked or used any other prohibited clicking methods still got banned for that reason without any strong evidence but js for a modretors personal opinion. Even when i appealed and showed that i didnt drag clicked my appeal got denid by them. So id like to say that it should be monitored carefully as it effects genuine players who play fairly in the server and get falsely accused out of nowhere. Mods should atleast provide a strong eveidence before banning or denying a player's appeal for this reason as single 10-20 second clip cannot prrove that whether someone is dragging or not even after he recreated and showed that he wasnt.

distant ermine
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no one is saying or asking where to appeal or wha to appeal

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🙏

azure shoal
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I agree

plucky basalt
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i agree need to improve

humble oasis
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Also for the fact that cubecraft's anticheat is currently not reading in clicks well

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I mean I can relate to this a bit. Ive been falsely banned for using a cps limiter to 15 since I butterfly up to 16 most of the time. Even since that, I didnt really butterfly rather I jitter/time click

acoustic nova
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Bro ppl got banned for jitter and time clicking

humble oasis
humble oasis
acoustic nova
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Exactly

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Wolz got banned for timing

acoustic nova
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@humble oasis

humble oasis
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Yeah

dreamy heron
# humble oasis All im trying to do is to redirect to the correct way according to cubecraft. Im...

You are still just repeating "appeal" without addressing the core issue. Nobody said the appeal shouldnt be filed, thats obvious. What im pointing out is that the appeal system doesnt resolve false bans when the evidence is weak to begin with.

If moderators can punish based on minimal POV evidence, and appeals still get denied even when the player proves the action was legit, then saying "just appeal again" isnt a solution. Its just sending players into a process that wont help them.

So yes, appeals exist, but they dont fix the underlying problem this whole thread is talking about.

placid osprey
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Just ban everything over 4 cps because it’s not fair to mobile and controller players

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Like even if we achieve 5 cps for half a second, it should be an instant sentinel 30 day unappealable ban

distant ermine
golden cliff
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Idk

humble oasis
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:/

reef otter
quiet berry
shut shore
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everyone in this thread should note that double clicking was also banned with this rule so basically if someones getting 20 cps its extremely unlikely its allowed or legit

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if someone gets a video of like 2-3 seconds of block spam at 20+ cps that would easily be enough evidence to ban them

distant ermine
shut shore
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is there a video of this happening

ember imp
torn nest
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this is not even that insane

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12-13 cps

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max

shut shore
torn nest
shut shore
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thats crazy

torn nest
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Guess

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The cps

shut shore
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for both bursts ~30cps

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just go frame by frame in the video

knotty nest
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i get the double clicking one but this one not at all

torn nest
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that's insane bro

shut shore
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literally go frame by frame

torn nest
shut shore
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its ~40 max but i was accounting for latency variation

torn nest
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smth important is

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That the guy recording

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Is eu

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playing in AS

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and in the appeal the guy did more insane stuff

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With under 15

shut shore
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im not surprised the mods unbanned him but hes probably just gonna get banned again

quiet berry
junior chasm
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People when someone clicks

junior chasm
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With like 3 cps u can block clutch to lmao

shut shore
quiet berry
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Thank you for clarifying

shut shore
quiet berry
shut shore
torn nest
shut shore
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youre not getting 20 cps with butterfly or jitter

torn nest
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With jitter sure

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with butter

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It's 100% possible

torn nest
shut shore
torn nest
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no?

shut shore
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you can literally count the cps

torn nest
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what about the second one

shut shore
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he claimed 19 but he never actually got 19 in game that was just a peak at the beginning of the video

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but he does do a pretty good explanation on why the model o is a popular mouse for pvp, which is also a good explanation for why double clicking isnt allowed

torn nest
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but still 20 cps is NOT impossible

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without drag

shut shore
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its not impossible to get but no one here is getting that

quiet berry
shut shore
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the people playing this game

quiet berry
shut shore
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even if someone were get 20 cps legit it would be more efficient to ban them anyway and have them appeal

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especially since cubecraft constantly reminds players to avoid going over 15 cps

torn nest
shut shore
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correct

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it would be very low probability for a player who can do that to exist tho

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the people who can actually click 20 cps arent playing minecraft theyre playing rhythm games

quiet berry
jade atlas
distant ermine
torn nest
dreamy heron
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@shut shore the issue is that you talk with full confidence while relying on guesses that dont even match with how the game actually works. You threw out "30–40 cps" like its a possible number in a game with 20 ticks, and then used that to claim someone was "obviously dragging" thats not analysis, thats GUESSING

and pretending your personal opinion is official policy doesnt help either. Youre not staff, youre not sentinel, yet youre speaking like you decide how bans work. Saying "ban them anyway and let them appeal" just shows you dont really care whether someone is innocent.

This whole discussion is about consistent evidence and fair moderation. But you keep jumping to conclusions based on shaky estimates and acting like that makes you an authority. It doesnt. It just proves why these false bans keep happening.

If you want to sound credible, stick to what can actually be proven, not numbers you pull from thin air.

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and just to be clear, coconut, this isnt about one message. Its the pattern across everything you said.

You dismissed legit clicking methods like butterfly and jitter as "not possible" even while people showed real examples. Then you called something "obvious drag" without a single backed up point. That alone tells me the conclusion came first and the "analysis" came later.

You also kept changing your stance every time you were proven wrong.
• First: "20 cps is cheating"
• Then: "Well nobody here can do it"
• Then: "Even if they can ban them anyway"
Thats three different arguments in five minutes, none backed by anything consistent.

And when asked how you know what "nobody here" can do, you had no answer. Because there isnt one. Its just you assuming your limits are everyones limits.

Then comes the part you really cant walk back:
You openly said innocent players should be banned because "its efficient". That alone ends the discussion. No server, no staff team, no anticheat dev would ever defend punishing legit players on purpose. Thats not strict moderation, thats admitting the system shouldnt bother being accurate.

The actual issue here is fairness and evidence. But everything you said ignores both. You speak as if you have inside information, yet every point you made contradicts the games mechanics, the rule explanations, and basic logic. Its confidence without knowledge, and thats exactlyy how false bans happen.

Theres really only one way forward here:
Stop guessing, stop shifting the goal, and stop presenting your assumptions like theyre official policy. If you want to be taken seriously, start with facts, because right now, every claim you have made falls apart the moment its fact checked.

shut shore
jade atlas
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holy yap

distant ermine
dreamy heron
# shut shore its really not hard to look at the video frame by frame im not pretending my op...

coconut, youre missing the actual contradictions in what you just said.

"its really not hard to look at the video frame by frame"

Right, but you didn’t do that.
If you had, you wouldnt have thrown out "30–40 cps" a number that literally cannot exist in a 20 tick game. You can repeat "frame by frame" all you want, but if your conclusion ignores tick limits, its still wrong. Looking at frames doesnt magically override literal game mechanics.

"im not pretending my opinion is official policy"

Then why did you present your personal idea, "ban innocent players and let them appeal", as if its normal?
No part of cubecraft policy supports that.
No staff statement supports that.
No anticheat dev on earth supports that.
Thats not you "explaining policy"
Thats you defending false bans as acceptable.

"cubecraft constantly warns players not to go over 15 cps because they can get banned"

Yes can, not should regardless of evidence
The warning exists because sentinel might false flag.
Its not a green light to ban legit players on purpose.
Youre confusing a caution with a rule and then using that confusion to justify wrongful punishments.

"none of the numbers here were made up"

They were. If your cps estimate exceeds the games tick rate, then by definition its not even possible.
Thats not opinion, thats math.
If your conclusion breaks the system, the conclusion is wrong.

You keep insisting people argue with your "logic" but logic only works if its built on correct mechanics and evidence you can verify yourself. Right now, what youre calling "logic" is just confidence on top of false assumptions.

This is exactly why your arguments keep falling apart the moment theyre READ

shut shore
# dreamy heron and just to be clear, coconut, this isnt about one message. Its the pattern acro...

in that first video you can clearly see a burst of high cps, then a pause, then another burst, indicative of dragging.

no one here is doing 20 cps, if someone here is getting that its double clicking which is cheating. it was just faster to write

the reason no one here can reach 20 cps without cheating is because no one has had a reason to try getting that for years, why would anyone bother practicing that when you can just buy a mouse and have it do it for you

because of the low probability of even 1 player being able to reach 20 cps, it would be vastly more efficient to ban those people and fix it later. even the number of people who can go over 15 cps is insanely low. plus they arent innocent - cubecraft explicitly states to avoid going over 15 cps

shut shore
distant ermine
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and u also js said rn that no one here can reach 20 cps

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again present multiple contradicting arguments at once

distant ermine
dreamy heron
# shut shore in that first video you can clearly see a burst of high cps, then a pause, then ...

Youre guessing, not proving.
"bursts" "most people cant" and "its probably cheating" aren’t evidence, theyre assumptions. A rare pattern doesnt automatically mean drag, jitter and butterfly can create the same spikes.

Banning people because it’s "efficient" isnt moderation, its negligence.
If you cant show a clear, objective indicator of drag, not interpretations, not probabilities, then your conclusion is just speculation.

Low chance ≠ impossible.
And assumptions ≠ proof.

and you still havent addressed the actual point:
the player recreated the same clicks without drag, and the appeal still got denied.
That alone destroys your whole "probability" argument. If a legit method can produce the same pattern, your entire case collapses, because now you are banning people based on what might be cheating, not what is cheating.

Stop running from that. Thats the core issue, and you havent given a single answer to it.

distant ermine
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and making assumptions nd js saying it all aloud doesnt make u correct

dreamy heron
distant ermine
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hows it even fair @shut shore

thick carbon
shut shore
# dreamy heron coconut, youre missing the actual contradictions in what you just said. "its re...

frame by frame: even though the game runs at 20 ticks/s, if you actually bothered to watch the video you can see multiple blocks get placed in the same frame, leading to my estimate of 30 cps (5 blocks in 5 frames at 30 fps)

the "innocent" player: hypothetically if someone were able to get 20 cps, it is still more efficient to ban them and fix it later because it was already extremely unlikely for them to be legit. even then, cubecraft still gives a warning not to exceed 15 cps literally because of this

i dont think you understand how low the odds of even finding someone who clicks 20 cps legit is.

shut shore
dreamy heron
# shut shore frame by frame: even though the game runs at 20 ticks/s, if you actually bothere...

Youre mixing up frames and ticks like they’re the same thing.
Theyre not. The server doesnt care if your client shows two blocks in one frame, it still caps placement to tick rate. Using video frames to estimate cps is literally meaningless for proving drag.

And you still havent answered the one thing you keep dodging:

The player reproduced the same clicks without drag, and staff still denied the appeal.
That instantly kills the "low odds" argument. If a legit method can match the pattern, the odds dont matter anymore. The evidence isnt exclusive so the ban is unreliable.

And your "ban them first because its efficient" take just confirms you care more about shortcuts than accuracy.
That isnt logic, thats laziness dressed up as certainty.

Stop hiding behind probabilities.
Answer the actual issue:
If legit and drag can look identical, why are you treating one as automatic cheating?

shut shore
thick carbon
dreamy heron
thick carbon
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if you have video proof coconut here is wrong, just share it lol

dreamy heron
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So if tickrate doesnt limit cps (correct), then your entire "5 blocks in 5 frames = 30 cps" claim collapses, because frame count ≠ input count.

dreamy heron
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the video should be there

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my account isnt verified so i think the link will get deleted

thick carbon
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Non of these video's show someone clicking 20cps without double clicks lol

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You can send youtube links

dreamy heron
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do you mean the appeal video or the reported one?

thick carbon
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Share the video the person appealed with

dreamy heron
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ill have to ask for permission to send it here

thick carbon
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yeah that's fair

shut shore
thick carbon
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wouldn't 2 blocks in the same frame be double clicks anyway

peak aspen
thick carbon
dreamy heron
dreamy heron
distant ermine
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who owns it

thick carbon
shut shore
peak aspen
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sorry i didnt fully read the message. ;-;

thick carbon
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you're goodddddd

dreamy heron
# shut shore frame 1: 1 block frame 2: 2 blocks frame 3: 0 blocks frame 4: 2 blocks frame 5: ...

You can list "1 block, 2 blocks, 0, 2, 0" all you want, it still tells you nothing about:

how many inputs landed inside each tick,

how many were queued,

or how many were delayed by ping.

Your "calculation" is literally counting visual artifacts, not clicks.
Thats why every anticheat on earth uses raw input data, not video guessing.

If frame bursts proved drag clicking, then literally every jitter/butterfly clip would look like "high cps spikes" which is exactly why video alone is not valid evidence.

thick carbon
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If someone places 20 blocks in one second, they have at least 20cps it's not that hard

dreamy heron
distant ermine
dreamy heron
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"raw input data" matters

distant ermine
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this is nt how the things work

thick carbon
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clicks per second, 20 blocks = 20 clicks. 20 blocks a second = 20 clicks a second

dreamy heron
# shut shore since when was 1 block not 1 click

One block ≠ one click if multiple clicks land in the same tick

The client can send several inputs in the same server tick, and the server registers them together. Thats why you see "2 blocks in one frame", its still fewer actual clicks per second than your frame math claims.

Assuming 1 block = 1 click in a video is exactly the mistake that makes your cps estimates meaningless.

dreamy heron
shut shore
thick carbon
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1 block is always at least 1 click

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You can't have half a click placing a block or something lol

dreamy heron
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just read what i said

distant ermine
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dont reply anything u assueme w/o reading pls

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assume*

thick carbon
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Yeah, does not matter at all. You're still clicking at least once per block lol

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Unless someone has 1000ms those clicks aren't arriving a second late. And it's roughly the same second for cps

dreamy heron
# shut shore jitter/butterfly would not look like that unless its doubles.

Thats simply not true.
Jitter and butterfly can produce bursts that look identical to "drag" in short clips. Network latency (ping), tick timing, or slight input variations can create pauses and bursts that mimic double clicks.
You cannot claim something is drag based on appearance alone, the same pattern can be perfectly legit. Your statement ignores the actual mechanics and relies entirely on guesswork and assumptions.

shut shore
thick carbon
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I'm not double clicking, it was tick timing trust

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no one is clicking faster because of ping lol

distant ermine
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"You cannot claim something is drag based on appearance alone, the same pattern can be perfectly legit. Your statement ignores the actual mechanics and relies entirely on guesswork and assumptions."

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ur only assuming

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things

thick carbon
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then show someone clicking 20 cps without drag or butterfly

shut shore
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oh no you got me

99% chance its drag

dreamy heron
# thick carbon no one is clicking faster because of ping lol

breaking news: tick timing can also create bursts that mimic double clicks or drag, which you apparently havent considered. Youre acting like a mechanic of the game gives you magical insight into intent, when all youve done is look at a video and assume the pattern equals a rule violation.

shut shore
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still definitely not legit tho and that video would be plenty of evidence and easy to argue if they denied it

thick carbon
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tick timing is fake news dude

dreamy heron
# thick carbon Unless someone has 1000ms those clicks aren't arriving a second late. And it's r...

Yeah "doesnt matter at all" classic dismissive take when you clearly dont understand how cps or server ticks work
Clicks arent magically constrained to "one per block per second" Multiple clicks can hit the server in the same tick, bursts can happen from jitter or butterfly, and latency can shift timing subtly. Saying "its roughly the same second for cps" is just hand waving, it ignores the actual mechanics entirely..

distant ermine
shut shore
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2 clicks in 50ms would be pretty difficult

dreamy heron
thick carbon
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It's difficult enough to ban and check the appeal

dreamy heron
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Youre conflating personal skill limits with proof of rule breaking.

dreamy heron
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Difficulty in enforcement doesnt turn assumptions into evidence

shut shore
dreamy heron
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If banning and checking appeals were "hard" the solution is better moderation tools or processes, not punishing players based on guesswork which this ENTIRE thread is even for if u dont already realise it

thick carbon
dreamy heron
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you both are dodging the real point which makes this argument useless

thick carbon
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Your honour, I wasn't reaching. All my 3.5 block hits were clicked at 3 blocks but they just got delayed a little

dreamy heron
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and that proves the point: you cannot determine drag or cheating from video alone.

distant ermine
shut shore
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in order for tick timing to actually matter you would need to have insane latency variation which that clip doesnt show any signs of

dreamy heron
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Thats why the "20 cps = cheat" claim falls apart

thick carbon
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Like we need more cheaters on the servers

shut shore
dreamy heron
thick carbon
thick carbon
dreamy heron
thick carbon
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haven't found a single video

dreamy heron
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if u want a clip on cc, ill need to ask for perm ;

dreamy heron
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also

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ur pretty much suggesting to ban every1

thick carbon
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No

dreamy heron
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and have them appeal if theyre not cheating

thick carbon
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I'm suggesting you ban all the clowns """clicking""" 20cps

dreamy heron
thick carbon
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how am I pulling 20 out of thing air

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15 is the max, 20 seems like high enough above

distant ermine
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why are we missing on the main purpose of the thread gng

dreamy heron
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You are treating assumptions as proof, and thats exactly the behavior that causes false bans and destroys trust in the system

distant ermine
thick carbon
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proof anyone got false banned with their appeal denied then

knotty nest
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this is more active than any of the other channels in this discord lol

wide girder
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true

peak aspen
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...yeah.

distant ermine
thick carbon
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the one example I saw above they said they got unbanned

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what are you on about

dreamy heron
# thick carbon 15 is the max, 20 seems like high enough above

No, you literally are pulling it out of thin air. You have no input data, no tick analysis, nothing, just a number you think "seems high enough"

"Seems high enough" isnt evidence. Its literally guessing. And you keep using that guess to justify bans, which is exactly the problem we have been pointing out which you are COMPLETELY dodging.

You are arguing without proof, then acting like your opinion is law. Thats why this system is so broken.

distant ermine
thick carbon
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you don't need """"tick analysis"""" to see if someone is clicking way too fast

wide girder
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ill hope cubecraft change the limit from 15 CPS to 20 CPS & i hope they don't ban you because your dragclicking or butterfly clicking or/and doubleclicking

thick carbon
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For people screaming proof at everything you don't have a lot of it

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You're saying people are false banned, not me, proof it

dreamy heron
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You are missing the point entirely. The issue isnt whether someone is "clicking fast" its whether the ban is based on evidence or guesses.

Even if a player matches the "speed" from a previous clip, if they can reproduce it legit without drag, butterfly, or double clicks, your whole "too fast = banned" logic collapses.

Youre still arguing from assumption and visual interpretation, not from actual input data. Thats exactly why false bans happen..

thick carbon
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all bans are based on a video

dreamy heron
thick carbon
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maybe the mods can see cps we don't even know

dreamy heron
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if they could, people that gave their opinion wouldnt be unbanned after appealing

shut shore
thick carbon
shut shore
thick carbon
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problem solved then huh

shut shore
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before the ticket system was made here, i saw a guy complaining about getting banned for no reason, and a mod replied that he was clicking 600 cps

distant ermine
thick carbon
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what are you on about

shut shore
dreamy heron
dreamy heron
shut shore
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like ive been pretty consistently saying youre not gonna find someone who can click 20 cps here

thick carbon
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unless anyone here shows someone being actually banned because of it

distant ermine
thick carbon
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you're just being mad at a non existing problem

shut shore
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exactly

dreamy heron
thick carbon
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enlighten me then, show someone that's banned with a denied appeal and that they weren't cheating

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show me the light

shut shore
shut shore
dreamy heron
dreamy heron
thick carbon
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You can just send here idk why you shared in dms

dreamy heron
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thats without perm

thick carbon
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I don't have any roles

dreamy heron
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delete before i get sued

thick carbon
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the video is on their yt

dreamy heron
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;c

thick carbon
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wdym

dreamy heron
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unlisted

thick carbon
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the appeal page I mean

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anyone can see it

dreamy heron
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but you didnt know about it?

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if its so publicly available, how come you never saw it

thick carbon
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idk all these random players ??

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But, sure, if that's all evidence it's a bit bs. But the same video is linked twice, so I'm guesing there's supposed to be something else

Make a staff feedback to complain about it ya

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I agree with you that that video should not be enough

dreamy heron
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the fact that they were banned was not supposed to be leaked

distant ermine
thick carbon
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I removed my video

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my mesage

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message

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can't type

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😬

dreamy heron
thick carbon
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No, I still think it's fine to ban people a bit faster when they're clicking superfast. Like in the other video shared here that we discussed, and more generally. I do also think that that ban, assuming it's the only clip, is indeed nonsense

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A video with 10 blocks in it was that what I had in mind 😂

distant ermine
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An 8 second clip does not prove drag clicking. Multiple factors like tick timing, jitter, butterfly, network latency can all create the same bursty pattern.

Banning someone based on a single clip without checking input data is shallow, unfair, and exactly why false bans happen. Facts and evidence that you can verify yourself, not assumptions or short clips, should determine punishment.

Thats it. Case closed. 🙏 🙏

torn nest
quiet berry
copper lagoon
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whoever click +15 is a cheater in 99% of cases anyways

quiet berry
copper lagoon
quiet berry
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Im a mobile player

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even if u were pc u couldnt click +15 bc it need butterfly and u can hold it for a sec

quiet berry
copper lagoon
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the only ones who can hold it for a very short period of time not for an entire game

quiet berry
distant ermine
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can we not divert from th emain point of thread again

copper lagoon
quiet berry
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🤨

versed rock
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15 cps can be done without trying that hard even without drag nor double click

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the staffs could anytime just add the simmilar system as in Nethergames.. 15+ cps ?? it auto stops it

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or just warn / ban if someone goes above that

distant ermine
copper lagoon
void igloo
acoustic nova
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I dont think it would be considered as a drag

reef otter
sacred summit
void igloo
stone pier
distant ermine
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they js reply on a 8 second clip

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which makes it totally biased nd unfair ;c

dreamy heron
# void igloo Would you agree that a drag that produces 4cps, would still be drag clicking?

Youre mixing up technique with output.
cps doesnt define drag clicking, the motion does.
If someone performs a drag click but only 4 cps, its still a drag.

And thats exactly why cps based bans or assumptions are logically worthless since you cant classify a technique by the number of cps alone.
Same output can come from different techniques, and the same technique can produce different outputs.
No moderator can classify a click method off an 8 second clip

acoustic nova
void igloo
# dreamy heron Youre mixing up technique with output. cps doesnt define drag clicking, the moti...

Thats a strawman fallacy right there.

Ive not even engaged the core prompt yet and youre defending it alr. (also you did agree with what I said)

A) Lets go back to my question, It is an attempt to see if you understand Drag clicking.
I'll add more context if that will help you make a y/n choice,

You are standing behind the chair of a dude, He is drag clickign, lets say he has tape on his mouse and all that fancy stuff. The output is 4cps. Would you agree that it is drag clicking? y/n

My aim is simply to see if you and I agree that Methodology and cps volume are not necessarily linked.

B) Do not make arguments with chatgpt, it has very obvious tells that degrade the merit of your arguments. You are at the end of the day trying to convince a server owner, its a psychological battle as much as it is a Debate-like one.

AI chatbots are designed to not disagree with you, You can use it to refine your arguments but it cannot be the one MAKING the arguments

void igloo
# acoustic nova N

Bro 🤣, My prompt in of itself says the guy is drag clicking. If you will outright reject ground truth in a given scenario then you cannot be making/defending suggestions

void igloo
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Do we agree that 1 second is 1000ms? (I'll assume you say yes)

then that 1s can be split into 100 10 Millisecond parts,

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On analysis of those partitions, you will find that with drag clicking,
===------ till 990ms
where = are where Blocks are placed and -s are where nothing happens.

From the above, you can see that 3cps happens within 30ms
(again, this is an illustration, the exact positioning of the burst will vary)

What ends up happening is the audio gets overlapped and you get sharp rise then immediate drops followed by nothing happening

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you agree till here?

acoustic nova
quiet berry
void igloo
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Entire paragraph patterns that are largely in third person or Second person (generally no first person)
The use of "Its not x, Its Y"

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These are some obvious tells

rare gate
dreamy heron
# void igloo Thats a strawman fallacy right there. Ive not even engaged the core prompt yet ...

Look, man, I actually sat down and read your "analysis" and the more I look at it, the more its clear you have confused method with pattern. You built your whole point on the assumption that because you drew some 10 ms boxes and filled them with symbols, the universe is somehow obligated to follow your diagram. Thats not analysis, thats fanfiction with extra steps. The funniest part is how confidently you present it, like some grand revelation, when the entire structure collapses the moment you stop assuming the conclusion before the argument even starts. You keep saying "this shape = drag" like its a law of physics. Bro, youre reverse engineering a picture you drew yourself and acting like its a discovery.If your logic actually held up, you wouldnt need to rely on ASCII hieroglyphics to defend it. Also, just to hammer it home: cps ≠ method. You can get the same spikes with drag, jitter, butterfly, even bad latency. Your little boxes dont change that. Heres the actual truth: Nothing in that burst pattern proves drag. Nothing. All you have done is take your little 10 ms boxes and throw symbols in, then declare "aha, drag!" but that spike dip pattern is literally something any method can produce. Butterfly, jitter, network hiccups, they all make the same pseudo bursts. You acting like these are drag exclusive is just... mathematically unserious. Your analysis is a coloring book. And somehow you think that makes you an artist. And the cognitive dissonance is crazy, you say youre identifying methods, but youre using data that cannot distinguish methods. Thats not analysis, thats you squinting at noise and pretending youre seeing constellations. I mean, youre basically trusting the diagram you made over reality. Its cute that you believe it proves something, but have you considered that maybe it only proves what you want it to prove? You keep defending your conclusion instead of questioning your assumptions. Thats the red flag. Youre not analyzing, youre rationalizing.

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You built a castle on sand and now youre crying because it collapses. Thats… literally on you.

torn nest
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guys what the hell is going on here 😭

quiet berry
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😂

peak aspen
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ಠ⁠_⁠ಠ

shell smelt
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So much yapa yapa

void igloo
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Thats not analysis, thats fanfiction with extra steps
and you cant even insult me without chatgpt LMAO

void igloo
void igloo
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awesome

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Thats very convincing

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And the cognitive dissonance is crazy, you say youre identifying methods, but youre using data that cannot distinguish methods

And theres the straw man again

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Ive not even made the full argument and yet you feel the need to pre emptively defend yourself

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By employing rhetoric after rhetoric in bad faith you are effectively killing this thread.

void igloo
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If your logic actually held up, you wouldnt need to rely on ASCII hieroglyphics to defend it

Ive not even gotten around to defending, Im trying to see if we have any common ground, and the response Ive gotten is chatgpt insults

quiet berry
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We're just gonna ignore that this individual is being heavily ragebaited by AI

void igloo
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@quiet berry Very simply put

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If you need AI to MAKE the arguments for you (even the insults in this case) then the person actually knowing anything becomes a question

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If you do not have any knowledge on the subject (Or even enough to insult)

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Should you really be arguing for that something

quiet berry
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-# pretty sure the point isn't even that they're arguing, rather they're ragebaiting you (successfully)...

dreamy heron
# void igloo Holy ad homiinem land (for all you plebs out there ad hominem means attack on ch...

Cute diversion. Calling me "AI" to dodge the point when you cant fix a single technical hole in your claim. We already agree CPS ≠ METHOD so stop pretending the numbers settle anything. Either show the link that makes the ===--- 10 ms burst pattern UNIQUELY diagnostic of drag clicking (independent of latency, or other high speed methods) or admit the pattern is ambiguous. You can keep yelling "ad hominem" from the sidelines, or actually defend the one measurable claim you made. Your move pal.

quiet berry
distant ermine
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ai vs ai vs ai 😭

quiet berry
distant ermine
# void igloo On analysis of those partitions, you will find that with drag clicking, ===-----...

umm btw your maths and sound stuff can be correct at "very few" instances but they still can never decide in a 3 second clip whether someone is drag clicking or not, and again thats the whole point of this thread, one needs more evidence rather than 3 second clip which can never decide whether the person dragged or not 🙏 i attached the proves too for u and since we talking w/ abt ai, nothing else can be better to explain u

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shut shore
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AI relies heavily on your prompt - it tells you what you want to hear, youre gonna have to include the prompt with the screenshots

regardless of that, the response you got tells you that its double clicks anyway and listed a bunch of reasons the double clicks may have happened

quiet berry
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this thread has become such a joke bro 😭

distant ermine
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and kindly dont divert from main topic again

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already given proves u wanted and explained stuff with evidence

distant ermine
shut shore
knotty nest
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there is no "drag click situation" its not allowed and shouldnt be allowed

distant ermine
shut shore
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real

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yall dont even know the main reason of thread

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and arguing over useless things

shut shore
knotty nest
distant ermine
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🙏

knotty nest
shut shore
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real

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like what do they want? an hour of someone drag clicking 😂

distant ermine
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did u even read abv chats clearly?

knotty nest
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they want 20-30 seconds of continuous clicking

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and a 3 second clip isnt going to prove it unless its too blatant which it wasnt 🙏

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if the clip is 3 second it shouldnt be accepted but if the clip is longer and shows 3 seconds of drag it should

distant ermine
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imagine a controller player getting ban for drag click

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js for a 3 second clip

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shut shore
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we already debated over that les not divert again

knotty nest
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if ur referring to the wqlzv clip he is obviously drag or double clicking

distant ermine
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the oprajj clip?

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and btw he recreated that thing in clip without drag or double clip

knotty nest
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no way he got banned

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who got ban for drag click

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who

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idk scroll up

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u can drag on controller btw

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;-;

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we got astratine's clip too abv

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he wasnt dragging too

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and he got ban + apeal denied js for a 2 second clip

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and there are multiple other ppl in other servers who got ban for dragging even when they werent

shut shore
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can you send the clips or are you just gonna keep talking about them

distant ermine
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and astra's clip was provided to u in dms too 🙏

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we cant share anything personal here w/o that person's consent 🙏

shut shore
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never got a dm from anyone

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ur frnd did get

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who was supporting u

shut shore
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thats not my friend thats a random guy

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so that random guy did get

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maybe u missed it

torn nest
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If you are talking about the touchpad drag

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noones gonna do it realistically

void igloo
void igloo
# dreamy heron Cute diversion. Calling me "AI" to dodge the point when you cant fix a single te...

Strawman After Strawman after Strawman, at this rate you are gonna set some world record for most fallacies in an argument.

pretending the numbers settle anything
pattern UNIQUELY diagnostic of drag clicking
admit the pattern is ambiguous
actually defend the one measurable claim you made

🤷‍♂️ Ive not even made a claim yet. Im still at a stage of defining our terms but you seem to feel the need to defend the prompt at every stage even when the question is a simple do you agree.

I gave you a very extremely basic definition of drag and asked if you agreed.... And the most Ive gotten is gamer rage .-.

At this point I can conclude that you are a troll account who has no real investment in the issue

I agree with @quiet berry

this thread has become such a joke bro 😭

keep yelling "ad hominem" from the sidelines

Im pointing out every Rhetoric and Logical Fallacy that you are "utilising" to appear confident.
As Ive already pointed out You are fighting arguments that havent even been made yet 🤣

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Rachit vhai

distant ermine
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bruh i already did read and it violates ur maths and sound stuff already so no more arguing js keep the main point of the thread alive that
A 3 second clip does not prove drag clicking. Multiple factors like tick timing, jitter, butterfly, network latency can all create the same bursty pattern. Also the maths and sound stuff provided is weak and not conclusive anyways.

Banning someone based on a single clip without checking input data is shallow, unfair, and exactly why false bans happen. Facts and evidence that you can verify yourself, not assumptions or short clips, should determine punishment. We gave sme examples of innocent players who got ban for it and there are many other players who are a part of it.

Thats it. Case closed. 🙏

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CAN WE NOT DIVERT PLS

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😭

torn nest
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why using alt

summer rose
torn nest
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😉

void igloo
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Yes thats an ad hominem

distant ermine
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atleast i didnt use ai or anything and ur doing same thing wha u pointing at

torn nest
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wth are these terms bro "ad hominem, fallacy"

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Strawman

void igloo
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You literally sent us ss of chatgpt

distant ermine
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🙏

void igloo
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Sylva is astratine?

torn nest
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Ye

void igloo
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oh poor @dreamy heron This same rage is what got your appeal denied btw
Ive seen the report I dont think you dragged for the record

torn nest
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Ugh

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Isabella

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What are you trying to prove

void igloo
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Oop mentioned wrong sylva mb

torn nest
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js tell me that

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ty

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now no more agument

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exist

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to

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prove otherwise

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Mods should err

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on the side of safety

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If you rage in appeals as well

distant ermine
void igloo
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you already know how that would end

torn nest
void igloo
void igloo
# distant ermine u proved the main point of thread

Like I said here #1445028131088896120 message

Appeals exist for a reason, Unlike you, Im gonna give an example

Thqni the ctf scrimmer was banned for drag, He showed that he jitters ~10cps and got unbanned
The solution is already there, If you are (Not you specifically, but yk what Im referring to) incapable at being civil, well, thats your problem not the 8s clip

torn nest
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It js creates a waiting time

void igloo
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Its not a Surgery

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Time is not a critical factor

distant ermine
summer rose
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(In astratine case) Do give me

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other examples

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Im very certain @near oxide got unbanned on appeal as well

torn nest
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He did a literal blockin

void igloo
near oxide
void igloo
near oxide
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how do u even know me :c

void igloo
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I know all (edit: all of you atleast)

near oxide
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bros omnipotent

torn nest
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wtv the alt be he proved our main point of thread

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atleast

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innocents getting ban

void igloo
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(Do not cite Astra, You know what happened there)

distant ermine
void igloo
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u also js mentioned 3 abv 😭

void igloo
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Even @rare gate got unbanned on the first report

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It was the second one with damning evidence that got him

reef otter
shut shore
dreamy heron
# void igloo Strawman After Strawman after Strawman, at this rate you are gonna set some worl...

At this point, you are chasing your own tail.

You claim you havent made an argument, yet you are defending the system with your life. You claim the system works, but then you list examples (thqni, auda) where it literally failed and had to be fixed by appeals.

You proved my point for me: The "ban first, check later" method is broken because it bans innocents based on ambiguous clips. If the detection was actually good, those bans wouldnt happen in the first place.

And lets be real, the only reason you keep pivoting to "tone" , "AI"and "personality analysis" and putting words in my mouth (like claiming my appeal was in rage) is because you cannot address the actual data. You keep making assumptions instead of checking ACTUAL facts.

The reality is simple:

  • Your arguments relying on math and sound proof are weak and inconclusive. Those lines never describe a drag click uniquely because other clicking methods can give the exact same outputs, which has already been backed up by screenshots and discussion above.

A 3–8 second clip is indistinguishable from jitter/butterfly/latency noise. We both know it. Without input logs or handcam, its just guessing.

The technical facts are already on the table, and your own examples backed them up. Unless you can produce actual raw data that proves a burst pattern is unique to drag (you cant), there is literally nothing left to discuss.

We are done here.

reef otter
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Why we using alts gang

quiet berry
stone pier
near oxide
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I love how a random guy comes in and throws words like "STRAWMAN" fallacy and is constantly trying to disprove the argument with fancy words

What these people have mentioned is facts+ a little roast element which you're glorifying constantly and targeting only those roast facts and not focusing on the points stated above.

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K bro you know abt these words doesnot mean you be come an all knowing intellectual.
Trying to identify fallacies just bcz u read it once in your years of college shi-show doesnot signify you can dismiss our rationale points with random fallacy bs

peak aspen
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i... genuinely dont know what is going on.

void igloo
# dreamy heron At this point, you are chasing your own tail. You claim you havent made an argu...

You claim you havent made an argument

Against you, I still havent, no. you have shot down every attempt Ive made at coming to an understanding (Except the first one). Without even being able to agree on what Drag clicking is I see no productive outcome.

you are defending the system with your life

I mean if you take broad agreement as "defending with life" well, not much I can do about that, thats just how you perceive it.

where it literally failed and had to be fixed by appeals
bans innocents based on ambiguous clips

Okay, Lets move the goal post then, Lets get into appeals
Appeals ARE the system. Think of it this way,
Have you ever been to an Airport? Say youre a ww2 veteran who has a bullet in you, Metal detectors are gonna hit that and that person will have to show some proof of that bullet (Think medical certificate) That does not make him a criminal .-.

Similarly, if you get your appeal accepted That does not stay on your record.

Those lines never describe a drag click uniquely

Again I never claimed that, I asked if you agreed and so far Its just been paragraph after paragraph of AI slop (Look any person with half a braincell would understand that appeals ARE the system, Id like to have faith in Humanity and assume you are copy pasting slop, There are also the facts like, youve made 0 typos and have mostly stayed in Second person)

putting words in my mouth (like claiming my appeal was in rage)

But Thats fact tho, I have insider info, I know that Capitan basically told you to shut up or get forum ban Astra : )

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cannot address the actual data
I STILL havent been shown a single instance where a legit player who could act in a civil manner in their appeal didnt get unbanned.

the only reason you keep pivoting to "tone" , "AI"
Oh no, I just think you are full of Shi and Im just clowning on you lol

Your arguments relying on math and sound proof are weak and inconclusive
That was again me asking if you agreed that Drag clicking could do it, not me saying that no other method couldnt do it, I would expect a Human to understand the context.

We are done here
Yea, Like @quiet berry put it, This is just brain damage atp

peak aspen
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gawddang.

void igloo
# near oxide I love how a random guy comes in and throws words like "STRAWMAN" fallacy and is...

I dont think you realize how lucky you are to be unbanned on appeal (10ms btw, I already know you are gonna harp on the math thing, My point is you placed three blocks in one frame and when the mods are willing to overlook that on appeal, I dont see how its a problem) (dont forget that the guy in this clip got unbanned)

disprove the argument with fancy words
Stay in school, kids. the very Definition of a fallacy is a false belief or a wrong idea.. Strawman, Ad hominem, Non Sequitors are some types of it.

peak aspen
void igloo
lost hamlet
# peak aspen i... genuinely dont know what is going on.

as per my observation this isabella guy is just trying to ragebait other people with speakinhg random thing without proving anything at all and it isnt related to main point of the topic at all too lol
I totally stand by this post as even i myself saw many people getting false ban for drag clicking just based on few seconds clip lmaoo though some of them got unban later but still false bans are happenin in bulk and its really an issue of concern .
And these random people like isabella are just filling the thread with speaking anything coming out of thier mind and diverting from the main topic

void igloo
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a single

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case

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Where appeal didnt go through for legit player

lost hamlet
void igloo
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Do it

lost hamlet
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check dms

void igloo
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Nuh uh

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Do it here

lost hamlet
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its against the privacy of the player

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that got ban

void igloo
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Then get that player here

lost hamlet
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filling the thread with random arguments arent going to prove

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anythin

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to u

void igloo
lost hamlet
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meanwhile i have seen many examples

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of false

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bans

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here and myself too

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which i can show u in dmss

void igloo
lost hamlet
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not going against any privacy thingy

void igloo
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Lol fold

lost hamlet
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if ur so desperate then hop on dms

lost hamlet
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another random thing

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go on speaking random things daily but still ur nt proving anything

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more ever the things u mentioned

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about 10 ms and sound thing

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those Brrrr sounds

void igloo
lost hamlet
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can be produced by butterfly too

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i myself have see those 🙃

void igloo
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I never claimed

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it was unique to drag

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Yall have selective blindness or smth

lost hamlet
lost hamlet
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thats wha all i saw from u

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first saying a person using Ai

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rather than defending urself

void igloo
lost hamlet
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now selective blindness crazy

lost hamlet
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i aint denying that those maths stuff u mentioned were false

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but they can never help identify from a 3 second clip that its 100% drag

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drag click shows those patterns but all those patterns arent necessarily drag

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hope it helps u

void igloo
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Read this

image.png
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Mods sniff test it
They err on the side of caution
Player appeals shows that Theyre not dragging

Gets unbanned

lost hamlet
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and its been happening in bulk

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so theres some issue already

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either they shall inculcate DCprevent

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stuff like nethergames

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otherwise its still a big issue

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let the mods here handle this imo now

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yall have done a lot of debating already

void igloo
peak aspen
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okay.

lost hamlet
peak aspen
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server strictly asks people to not go above 15 cps but still has not included any cps limit

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and then bans people for 15+ cps even when they were less

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why cant they jst add a inbuilt limiter and DC prevent stuff

void igloo
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cps and clicking method are not tied
Drag can produce low cps too

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i said for 15+ cps from butterfly

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or jitter

void igloo
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even when they were less

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This

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even though its hard to produce that and no one actually did

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still getting ban

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so the issue is real imo

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and if u need examples dms are open

sacred summit
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But only in very rare scenarios

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If someone is clicking lets say 30 cps, then its obvious that its either double click or drag click

sacred summit
reef otter
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@lost hamlet i know you're an alt but i cant prove it

lost hamlet
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why did u think that

reef otter
# lost hamlet wow

relatively new account, also relatively new to cc discord and only in 1 cubecraft server while talking a lot about cubecraft

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your first message is also very recent

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hmmm

lost hamlet
lost hamlet
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sheep?

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anung?

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wtf is a anung

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and i am not any ba ba sheep

reef otter
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yamen??

lost hamlet
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no i am not from yamen

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i think you are sheep

lost hamlet
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from where did sheep came from tho

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like is it a person or smth?

torn nest
torn nest
shut shore
near oxide
# void igloo I dont think you realize how lucky you are to be unbanned on appeal (10ms btw, I...

Id really like to talk abt actual solid facts but b4 that if you're really that much desperate to prove yourself as the only righteous one arguing here and rest are just kids yapping around id first like you to disclose your actual identity and not fight behind this random alt account you got, we all know you're tryna be that smartahh kid who thinks he knows all but obviously ure gonna brutally get the reality check today

For the genuine part ( coz bro will skip the point of him being an alt and say "get on point bruv, why do u care abt me" to divert the situation )- SO ACCORDING TO YOUR GRAND CALCULATIONS of 3 blocks in 10ms time frame skip . I'll solve it for you so that you don't have to work your bean sized brains on simple math

10 ms ----> 3 blocks
1/100s---->3 blocks
1s-----> 300 blocks

SO according to your grand statement the cps being used in that clip is 300 which obviously isn't the case. AND if it were the case im sure cc sentinel system ain't that dumb that it won't catch up upon that huge of a spike in cps and won't opt for automatic insta ban.

The clip can vary for different perspectives as we see if u have ever fought in a server not native to yours. Your reach becomes 10-15 blocks and u get flown to air as hits stack.
The player recording this stuff is EU native. It can be various reasons for the blocks to be placed like that. No1 can predict that if I were to click a cps of said amount, then blocks placed will be placed in a specific pattern. As can be seen in the clip it was an attempt to create an obstruction in the path of the enemy to find an escape in the meantime . How do u certainly confirm there was no net hitchhike, no ping diff , no observer diff while knowing literally nothing abt the game and the way it works.

JUST SAYING "AD HOMINEM' HAA CAUGHT YOU" DOESNOT SIGNIFY ANYTHING BUT YOUR BLATANT IGNORANCE TOWARDS THE TOPIC BEING DISCUSSED.

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And I'd really like you to give me a technical explanation of why this is NEVER POSSIBLE with realistic reasons coinciding with how minecraft has been coded to react for the inputs we provide to it.

Random NoN cries: "10 MILLISECONDS 3 BLOCKS , NAH AINT POSSIBLE , INSTA BAN"
Don't even try that with me unless you know how this shi works, And if you're so smart in the tech kindly enlighten me as to why the thingy is so much of an impossible feat to achive.

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Bro knows dipshi abt the actual thing and yaps like the all knowing smartahh 🤓 🙏 😭

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And by your vague statements youre just indicating that can never be the case of the blocks being placed like that ever whatever u do ,kindly aid to my understanding how.
Just becoz "YOU THOUGHT" it can't doesnot disprove it.

dreamy heron
# near oxide Id really like to talk abt actual solid facts but b4 that if you're really that ...

@void igloo ^ THIS. Marin just absolutely dismantled your entire "10ms" argument, and I really hope you didnt miss it.

Let me spell it out so you dont deflect again: If your logic was correct, that player would have been clicking 300 cps. Sentinel would have nuked them instantly for impossible click rates. Since they werent insta banned by the anticheat, it proves it was a visual/network spike (lag), not a cheat.

You are sitting here trying to use "fancy words" but you completely ignored:

Server tick rate vs ping: You cant judge a micro frame like that without factoring in EU to AS ping differences.

The 300 cps Math: You literally argued for a physical impossibility.

Also, stop dodging the identity question. You claim to have "insider info" and speak for the high ranking mods, yet youre hiding behind an alt account? Drop the main or stop pretending you have authority.

Marin cooked you. We are waiting for that technical explanation on the 300 cps spike now. Dont disappoint us with another "Ad Hominem" deflection.

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lost hamlet
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and please let mods decide whats to be done

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for both parties

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and if anyone needs evidences of ppl false bans then again dms are fully open

void igloo
# lost hamlet bruh wha is bro even trynna prove again, they speaking based on facts nd proves ...

Let's enable critical thinking for a moment here,

Put yourself in the mods shoes for a second, you see that clip with no context, and you have a guideline to err on the side of caution as the appeal system exists.

What's your move? Ban or no ban?

Now I know you're gonna say no ban and that's totally fine some mods will probably agree too.

But the one Marin (the_audacity258) got assigned decided to go with the ban, when that mod reviewed the appeal that Marin made, Marin was unbanned.

Accepted appeals do not go on your record, it won't affect your ability to participate in major things like ccl or anything else. :/

The screenshot has a tldr version of this exact thing.

lost hamlet
void igloo
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but prblm is theres been false bans in bulk even on slightest block spam

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some err is justfied but too much isnt rt?

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Then its on those players to get over here and make have thier issues known

You don't have to champion for anyone else

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also if mods are nt that efficient to decide then server shall add inbuild cps limiters or DC prebemt stuff which even many popular clients also provide

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everyone needs a represantive for a collective issue

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and if they see this thread

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they are free to share

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like sme ppl did i saw abv

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so its normal in my opinion i guess

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ur also not totally wrong in ur opinions and it shall be respected too so let mods decide what to do hopefully if they review it

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i'll share here

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if mods allow

void igloo
lost hamlet
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i agree on that too

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the thread didnt reach the right people

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real quick can all of the players in favor of this please send what mouse you use in the chat

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just don't drag click, end of discussion.

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@lost hamlet hi ef

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efplayzxd

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You have 2 guesses left!

reef otter
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Nice

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Ok now why y’all arguing on alts

torn nest
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izu is not me

reef otter
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Hop on main

torn nest
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ong

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i don't bother to write messages longer than 5 lines

reef otter
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It’s gonna be so funny when you forgot to switch account and send a paragraph

torn nest
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Same with zon

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Yeah that would be funny

torn nest
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ikr

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It's not me tho

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I know who it is

reef otter
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Sus

torn nest
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But it's not me

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😉

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That's the case for you too

reef otter
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I know it’s you

torn nest
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this thread has some crazy lore

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It would be fun if I js