REVIVE EGGWARS / Restoration, changes, and new features.

[left ore]

• Add Elytra back to the shop with its original cost.
  - Remove arbitrary item cooldowns and stack size .limits for TNT, Leap-Feather, Eggmites, and Deployables, if we can afford it then let us buy and use it properly.
• Buff punch bow to punch 2.
• Add Mite-Master perk back to emerald shop.
• Add Deployable Platform {3x3} to the shop.
• Introduce maps with eggs more enclosed by the map {encourage fortification}

**Players continue to bring up a "2-mode solution" where one modes features are adjusted for faster gameplay and by default the features are adjusted for solo players.

• Add a votable "speed-mode" where the shop is rebalanced and items are adjusted for win-grinder strategies.**

With coordination between 4 players against 1 opponent these features can be used to counter runner-strats, don't blame the solo player for out-smarting 4 players by creating win conditions with these features and beating them.

Items have been systematically removed and crippled to favor pre-existing win-grinder groups at the expense of newer and more casual players, this has killed the eggwars playerbase and will eventually lead to shut-down when these win-grinders get bored or quit for any reason with no new players staying.

If you support win-grinding strats then by all means discredit and downvote this post, you will destroy the minigame where you grind your lives away for meaningless statistics.

If anybody realizes how empty or repetitive eggwars has felt because of Season 3's changes then support this thread and elaborate on this discussion with more suggestions and tweaks to enrich gameplay while being relatively appealing to most parties.

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This has been an on-going debate since Season 3's OG Regression, if you want to read more then look at: https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1367351445309096029

[left ore]

I wanted to make an exhaustive article about the OG Regression. its effects, problems and solutions to them but I needed more perspectives, I briefly had that but then those people abandoned Cubecraft for Hive seeing no hope in trying to appeal to Cubecraft for reformation.

If you have anything to offer then contribute your draft to be included in the article, post them as threads and I'll assimilate them together into one massive article.

[tame moon]

Ill copy paste the comment i did to the other post
the reason those features got removed is because the vast majority of players agreed they make the game boring and and less enjoyable to play.
you keep saying this will be good for new players and i cant see how, i have never seen a new player spam leap feather or even use them, netherite armor serves no porpouse if you get voided
Those features' only porpouse is to make good players fight last forever
Punch II is great if you want to kill duo map

[sick kayak]

i agree with some of this stuff but most of it would ruin eggwars

[formal drum]

We don't need that

we need sheep's and cows in eggwars

We will use them to run out of battles

no need for elytas

And We also don't need limit for tnt I wanna be Osama bin laden I wanna explode the twin towers

[left ore]

The vast majority being the players remaining after the OG Regression.

The majority which disagreed has left.

[left ore]

The game is not fun for new players or casual players, these changes will fix that.

[tame moon]

look at my comment with closer attention, you may not have understood what i said

[left ore]

I know what you said, new players have no features to create win conditions with against pre-existing win-grinder teams.

[tame moon]

I said that those features will change absolutely nothing for new players

[left ore]

They will give solo players an advantage against groups.

[cobalt harness]

NNo more eggwars update

because the current one is great

after many updates

[left ore]

People complain that solo players stall the game, that's because they have to in order to survive and build up enough to counter group strats.

Removing their advantages forces them to stall longer.

[cobalt harness]

no one complain

[tame moon]

things work in reverse too, if you are in a 4v1 you are just lost most of the times

[left ore]

I don't complain about my opponents using my tactics against me.

[still raven]

I can't agree with everything but they should really remove stack limits.

[cobalt harness]

No one agree

try to make Suggestions based on another games

[tame moon]

One things they may do to make more playstyle avialable is reintroducing the shield

[cobalt harness]

shield is op

I think they can add shield enchantments

[left ore]

Eggwars was the only minigame I played CC for after they removed Tower Defense and a few others.

[still raven]

Wouldn't you need an axe for this too work.

[cobalt harness]

give player knock back shield

etc

[tame moon]

It is a good counter with many things, they should make it expensive and with not too high durability to balance it

[cobalt harness]

me too

im at Top 6th in mega

[left ore]

Mega doesn't exist.

[cobalt harness]

💀

u really play eggwars

?

[still raven]

I think it might be bedrock exclusive

[left ore]

Yes I only saw something resembling "mega" in season 0 with 40+ players

[cobalt harness]

its Java or bedrock

?

[cobalt harness]

its only for 40p layer

not +

[left ore]

Java

[cobalt harness]

im in wrong

side

I think its bedrock

loll

[cobalt harness]

it's will on perks area

for team

only

[left ore]

Eggwars is already ruined, what risk is there for trying these changes?

[cobalt harness]

good update for java

this suggestion

[tame moon]

that would be a good feature

[dusty haven]

it could still be revived

[manic ravine]

eggwars doesnt need new feature it needs olds feature from 2019 and 2020 era

best cc era

[left ore]

Which would mean punch 2 bow

[manic ravine]

sure ig

we need to get back to having like 10k players or so on eggwars

remove bedwars 💀

jk bedwars is good

[edgy dune]

real

[edgy dune]

punch 2 was never a thing

its always been punch 1

[manic ravine]

thats what i thought

even the og eggwars was good there r things rn that are better

but if we could combine both then it would be good

[left ore]

Season 0 punch 1 bows knocked players a lot more than they do now.

[edgy dune]

after the overall kb change they could have been affected but the bow itself was never nerfed

and that kb change was a long time ago

[left ore]

Punch bows stopped knocking as far so they stopped being widely used.

[edgy dune]

they were never widely used

[left ore]

They were used in almost every match for crowd control and snipes.

[edgy dune]

plus that kb change probably didnt even apply to java

[manic ravine]

why do we need punch bows

there overpowered enough for noobs

[left ore]

Solo players for crowd control and snipes

[manic ravine]

we dont need that

maybe on jave

but nobody plays java

we need faster games so people dont quit

[left ore]

We need longer games so that OG players come back

[manic ravine]

cuz if ur a noob and u get eliminated immeadietly and u see that the game only lasts 1 min you will think i did better

[manic ravine]

nah shorter games will do that

og java players maybe

[left ore]

Then solo players need more features to create win conditions with

[manic ravine]

we should make bows cost emralds so only people who actully do stuff can get them

[left ore]

Then they must be buffed.

[manic ravine]

no they do that so people dont get them

what do u need a bow for

just like get better

[left ore]

Creating distance between myself and an organized group in order to buy items or snipe them off.

[manic ravine]

organized group?

[drowsy raptor]

People dont have this problem on bedrock

Or nobody else has this problem at all tbh

You keep saying this its just funny lol

If you need the punch bow to beat them then maybe you arent good enough to beat them 🙏🏿

[left ore]

If they need to undermine my strategy with harmful suggestions to beat me then maybe they don't deserve to be listened to.

[drowsy raptor]

Completely subjective meaningless stance

Exact same logic could reflect on to you

[left ore]

You're full of hypocrisy.

[drowsy raptor]

Same to you broski

[left ore]

So nobody can give feedback.

[drowsy raptor]

You can give feedback

Your just acting like you have the objective correct ideas for making eggwars the best and anyone who does is wrong

[left ore]

Have you been through the downfall and ending of Mineplex and its Super Smash Mobs minigame, abused by its moderators and playerbase?

[drowsy raptor]

Mineplex has been dead for actual years bro

And you havent been here to see nearly as much of eggwars as you claim

[left ore]

Have you persdonally speed-ran hundreds of survival servers and attempted to build playerbases through strategic gameplay?

[drowsy raptor]

Hows any of that relevant though

[left ore]

I have experience and you don't.

[drowsy raptor]

Experience in?

[left ore]

Building and destroying playerbases.

[drowsy raptor]

Have you ever actually hosted or designed a game

Do you have any sense of balancing whatsoever

[drowsy raptor]

Youd think part of that would be being half polite at least then bruh

[left ore]

I never had the funds to self-host or the drive to make my own game, the people I met along the way have made plugins and hosted for me.

[drowsy raptor]

You should then

Do it better then cube

[left ore]

It's hard to be polite when nobody listens and I have to repeat myself insufferably hundreds of times.

[drowsy raptor]

Maybe because you never listen

[left ore]

Sure, I didn't listen, when didn't I listen?

[drowsy raptor]

When dozens of people keep telling you the same thing

And your still making threads constantly

[left ore]

And dozens of people have agreed with me.

If there weren't support I wouldn't be persisting.

[drowsy raptor]

Arent you the guy who has to max out positive reactions on your posts so that nobody can give a negative reaction

And the ones you dont all have a negative like ratio

Like this one

[drowsy raptor]

I mean you can persist all you want bc i think its fun to argue with you

But this isnt even a suggestion forum yk

Even if the devs were to listen to you they havent even seen a single thing youve written most likely

They actively respond to stuff on the forums though

[left ore]

This is the only suggestion forum that exists until Cubecraft excludes the account-linking requirement for the website forums.

[drowsy raptor]

You can say its a suggestion forum but its still not a suggestion forum lmao

Why cant you link your account again

[left ore]

Mineplex hosted website forums while it was relatively active and moderation abuse wasn't limited to in-game, I was banned for trying to expose staff corruption.

I'm never again trusting another forum site to not abuse my personal information.

[drowsy raptor]

Like your minecraft account?

Remove your personal info from your minecraft account

And discord

[left ore]

I asked Cubecraft if I could do that afterward and they said no, they're going to keep it permanently linked.

[drowsy raptor]

Why cant cubecraft have you minecraft account exactly?

Even though they like

Already have it

Bc youve logged in to cubecraft server before

[left ore]

Read a little closer.

[drowsy raptor]

Clarify

What info are they taking from you

[left ore]

^

[drowsy raptor]

So what personal information

Beaides your minecraft account

Which they have

You dont gotta give anything besides that

[edgy dune]

basically he got banned for joining with a client

he'll say it was "accidently" but like how do you accidently join with a client? basically the same as saying my dog installed hacks.

then he called it moderation abuse

also he bypassed that ban too

[tame moon]

why dont you ask yourself the reason why every post you make gets mostly downvoted than upvoted? maybe your suggestions are not as good as you think they are

[dusty haven]

most people who downvote are likely eggwars grinders

[tame moon]

What people dont consider is that eggwars are fun until they dont last for too long, these changes will make the game last for way longer than they should making everything overall unfun

[dusty haven]

we need the new players

or the gamemode is gonna die out

[tame moon]

i would agree with everything if they introduce a deathmatch system where after a while you are forced to fight, like island falling apart or not being able to shop anymore

[dusty haven]

maybe

[tame moon]

Until then i will keep disagreeing with these changes, i dont like games lasting for 30 or 40 minutes due to someone spamming leaps

[dusty haven]

i think we should have a leap limit but the game needs to be fun for new players

[tame moon]

I agree with that, the only issue is that 1.19 pvp will never be fun for new players, its too messy in my opinion, we need to go back to 1.9 pvp where kb was less a determinant factor to win

[dusty haven]

i dont know anything about 1.19 pvp or 1.9 pvp, i only play hypixel and bedrock (sometimes)

[tame moon]

Im not used to 1.8 pvp and i deispice bedrock

[dusty haven]

im also talking about bedrock, not java

[edgy dune]

literally just revert the game to the 2020 update

peak eggwars time

[tame moon]

the features i was talking about was on java tho

[left ore]

Only if you refuse to adapt like we've been coerced into doing.

Adapting isn't a problem as long as the game is enjoyable which it isn't, the numbers don't lie.

[left ore]

Variable autoclickers would become the meta.

[left ore]

With a 2-mode solution which implements a votable fast-mode you'd have the option for shorter games as long as you have a rank.

[left ore]

How could we built ancient debris castles then.

[tame moon]

I didnt say 1.8, but 1.9, you still need to charge the hit, it is different from 1.19, in 1.19 version they messed up KB to make it look like 1.8, basically they made a huge mess

[left ore]

So that's why punch bows are weaker.

[tame moon]

Yes, they increased the kb in sword and fist hit, but its very messy

[tame moon]

They screwed up the sprint reset, if you are good enough to sprint reset in the exact moment they hit you get 0 KB, tho if you miss you get 7 blocks of KB, same applies to punch bow, they screwerd eveything related to KB

Thats why in some moment punch 1 seems to be ineffective

[left ore]

There's no reason for bows to be slower to charge and fire, I can bowspam in vanilla but not in Cubecraft.

[left ore]

Not just some moments, it used to be my primary weapon for crowd control and sniping but now it's only really useful for sniping players who don't know how to counter it and aren't paying attention.

[tame moon]

Well thats how sprint reset works now, either 0 KB or you get rail gunned in the void

No in beetwen

[left ore]

So with punch bows being obsolete as long as they remain punch 1 we need elytra and tnt.

[tame moon]

Devs dont care about our suggestions, it will not change anything

[left ore]

Then we ought to make it their problem.

[tame moon]

Even we try, they dont even care anymore about java, even if they keep saying otherwise, its been like this for years, eggwars are dead and we cant do much about it

[left ore]

So let's destroy their Bedrock server, ruin gameplay and experience.

Get harmful suggestions implemented so we take their attention away.

[tame moon]

I dont even understand how people can find bedrock intresting, its goofy ASF and the HUD is horrible

[left ore]

It's at least a good distraction, let's make it a bad distraction.

[tame moon]

They are not so dumb to implement dumb features, they wont screw up the only server that make them moneys

[left ore]

The season 3 OG Regression:

[left ore]

If that's too hard then infiltrate their staff team, strategically succeeding and failing in ways that sow distrust in the playerbase.

[tame moon]

Im not going to do something so extreme, and either way, it would take too much time

[left ore]

The time we could have enjoyed playing Eggwars season 2 is freed.

[left ore]

It's the fault of win-grinders for taking the extreme measure of undermining their opponents, they breached the scope of the game and with Cubecraft neglecting us the new meta is to undermine each other and ruin their fun.

[edgy dune]

thats not going to happen because they already dont listen to suggestions and theyre certainly not going to listen to an obviously bad idea

[left ore]

They listened to lobbying for the changes implemented into the OG Regression.

[edgy dune]

they do make bad updates on their own tho, like eggwars season 2, which used no feedback and even dissolved the focus group before release

realistically the only way to save the game at this point is to remove the lingering season 2 features aka restore the game back to season 1 or earlier

my prediction is that more players will move to bedwars the longer it takes to restore it to an earlier version

[left ore]

That would only worsen the monopoly which win-grinders have created.

[edgy dune]

though they probably want eggwars to shutdown anyway, possibly the reason season 2 existed, because the eggwars rank was permanent and the bedwars rank was always a subscription

[left ore]

Moving from quality and service to slop and exploitation.

We want Cubecraft to shut down.

[manic ravine]

ik they need to advertize eggwars more

all they care abt is beddwars

[manic ravine]

?

[dusty haven]

ik

they dont care about eggwars

[manic ravine]

its dumb

they should just let an eggwars sweat or og player run eggwars

im sure theres somebody who would do it for free

they wouldnt have to pay them

[dusty haven]

I dont think it works like that.

[edgy dune]

there used to be an eggwars focus group where players could directly influence eggwars updates

that was disbanded just before the release of season 2

[manic ravine]

exactly the 2nd the people who played eggwars stopped running it it started to suck