Remove Subscriptions

[prisma pasture]

Let players have perm ranks

[midnight nebula]

no

[prisma pasture]

yes

[prisma pasture]

Waste of money

[midnight nebula]

then dont buy

lol

[prisma pasture]

Why no even though?

[prisma pasture]

Perm ranks are probably better

[midnight nebula]

because subscriptions is better imo

[midnight nebula]

you should have bought them before

[little kindle]

i agree

[prisma pasture]

What before?

They just released as subscription

Ur the only one who don't agree

[midnight nebula]

still my opinion

the admin team also agree

[vivid yoke]

you have to just not buy it and quit the server

theyve already said multiple times that theyre not going back to perm ranks

and the only reason they made the change was to increase profits theres no argument against that

[exotic scarab]

"increase profits" brother nobody is buying ts

[vivid yoke]

they are

[prisma pasture]

Only nonsense ppls

One out of thousand

990 minecoins for 30 days

[vivid yoke]

if people arent buying them, cubecraft wouldnt insist on keeping it

simple as that

[prisma pasture]

What about the people's who already have those ranks permanent

It's stupid

[vivid yoke]

what about them

you cant buy a permanent rank twice

theres no more money to be made from those players

[chilly briar]

Right so happy i bought sg eggwars blockwars a few days before 🙂

[keen shuttle]

Maybe they should change the server to be less homogenous including more unique minigames, and promoting a variety of playstyles within existing games instead of removing and restricting playstyles.

[vivid yoke]

none of that has anything to do with this

[keen shuttle]

Maybe if Cubecraft were a more attractive minigame server more players would be playing, instead our options are switching between 2|-|1TY survival servers as they gain and lose players.

[vivid yoke]

the player count has been 2-3k behind hive for years, it hasnt changed and wont change anytime soon

[keen shuttle]

Hive hasn't been on Java for years, this is irrelavent.

[vivid yoke]

java is irrelavent

[keen shuttle]

Bedrock is inferior corporate garbage.

[dreamy stratus]

Not all of has endless money to spend on subscriptions

[vivid yoke]

90% of all minecraft players play bedrock

[keen shuttle]

Most content produced for Minecraft is by Java players.

[vivid yoke]

ok and

[dreamy stratus]

They why is their java server have like 300 players max per hour lol. Their bedrock server has like 10k-20k max

[dreamy stratus]

Exactly

Is bro suggesting they repeat the failure of java server? Bedrock is the future for cubecraft

[keen shuttle]

Because they're exploiting kids, their elders unwillingness or inability to supervise them instead of handing them a screen to distract themselves with.

[midnight nebula]

I also don't

[vivid yoke]

then dont buy from them or use their services

[keen shuttle]

They're still going to exploit kids.

[dreamy stratus]

We should have perm ranks instead of subs so we no lose money every month

Also the parents can do a one and done purchase instead of monthly exploits

[vivid yoke]

its not recurring

[dreamy stratus]

Its a 30 days subscription. U have to buy another 30 days after yr days are up

[vivid yoke]

yes but its not recurring

you wont get automatically billed at the end of the month

[vivid yoke]

then lobby the uk government

should be fairly easy

[keen shuttle]

At that point we need God to smite all the nations with fire and quakes and pestilence among other catastrophes, the enemy has our guns and knows how to coerce our rejection into submission.

[vivid yoke]

or you can alternatively play a different game

[keen shuttle]

Which is also being invaded with subscription BS.

[vivid yoke]

not really

literally buy anything on steam

or play a free game

[keen shuttle]

Be damned as a slave or be damned as an outcast.

[woeful eagle]

You can directly call "Money Hungry"
Don't glaze cubecraft. You will not be in staff team because of that

[vivid yoke]

im gonna assume youre not old enough to know how business works

and does it really look like im trying to be a staff ☠️

[woeful eagle]

Hey?!
Business is that who cares their customers and follow feedbacks

I sure Camzonda have hired
@vivid yoke and @midnight nebula

[midnight nebula]

lol

I'm 16

[vivid yoke]

business is all about profits

if companies are listening to feedback its because they need to do it for profit

cubecraft already said that subs will increase their profits at the cost of negative feedback

meaning feedback doesnt matter to them

at least for this topic

[keen shuttle]

Business is about service, if all business was is profit then non-profits wouldn't exist.

[vivid yoke]

non profits arent businesses

they dont have shareholders or a desire to grow

[keen shuttle]

Define business.

Blacks Law: Business - This word embraces everything about which a person can be employed, that which occupies time, attention, and labor of men for the purpose of a livelihood or profit.

While profit may be tied with business that isn't the only thing business is.

[vivid yoke]

you quite literally just said its for the purpose of profit but wtv

[woeful eagle]

They were doing profit!
So, why they want more?

[exotic scarab]

money hungry...

[vivid yoke]

because thats how a business works

always increasing profits

[woeful eagle]

Not really!
Just money hungry. They want more that they don't needed.

If you want profit then profit>good service.

You can see many companies is doing that. Like mobile phone companies don't make mobile for use long time they release software updates and slow down your phone to buy another phone of their brand.

So pofit>good service.

Also you can see vgi player they lossing money every month but people like their software so much. They said they don't want profits, they kept ad free and any sponsor free.
They want people use their software more, it's give their worth but money didn't.

profit<good service + get customers love and their support

[keen shuttle]

It doesn't take a genius to realize that service is very correlated to business, if they want to arbitrarily change the contract in which we the player generously offer our attention and money, in order to exploit kids that aren't aware of the terms which by contract law would make the contract unconscionable, then the pre-existing playerbase since before these exploitative changes will quit.

In retaliation to the continued exploitation of mankind and its offspring we'll stop producing kids that would've been exploited.

[vivid yoke]

in the worst case the current playerbase will be replaced with a new one. but thats not gonna happen because everyones still gonna play

[keen shuttle]

The replacement which some may hope for will not come, the population is on a global decline.

In our worst case scenario Cubecraft will have to shut down.

[vivid yoke]

its all about profit - cubecraft hasnt used feedback for years yet they still thrive. though im not really sure what youre trying to argue about, cubecraft already said they switched to subs to increase profits and make a stable flow of revenue.

also batterygate is a bad example because only apple was doing that and got sued over it

[keen shuttle]

It's like arguing with hardened losers in eggwars who only care about grinding wins even at the expense of the game and its playerbase, we don't care about profits or winning, we care about service and quality.

A survival server doesn't have to be profitable in order to keep a sizeable and engaged playerbase.

[exotic scarab]

exact

[keen shuttle]

Infact survival servers like those tend to be more engaging than the corporate garbage minigame servers try to push.

[vivid yoke]

the only reason any company would ever care about service quality or feedback is to increase their profits through indirect means like retention

[keen shuttle]

Do you see companies as collectives of people or as distinguished entities?

[vivid yoke]

entities

people work for the entities

[vivid yoke]

thats because they arent trying to make profit from it

[keen shuttle]

Those entities are called corp-orations, corp meaning corpse, orations meaning spoken, biblically called demons but legally known as persons which also refer to corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies as defined in 1 USC 1 Definitions.

It is written in scripture that God is no respecter of persons.

[exotic scarab]

in conclusion cubecraft dont give a f about there community

[vivid yoke]

they never did

[exotic scarab]

but now we see it

[keen shuttle]

If they never cared about their playerbase there wouldn't be a Cubecraft like we had it a couple years ago.

[vivid yoke]

wait until you start working a job and paying taxes

[vivid yoke]

its been pretty obvious imo

[exotic scarab]

i join the com last year

[keen shuttle]

That doesn't change their meaning, even Jesus calls them out saying you cannot serve two masters, you're a slave God or a slave to the enemy.

[vivid yoke]

then ask for forgiveness later

[midnight nebula]

Jesus has nothing to do with this thread

[keen shuttle]

The point is that corporations are not real entities, they are fictional and should not be treated as a living breathing bloody creation.

[midnight nebula]

no matter the point, talking about that is against the rules

[keen shuttle]

Discrimination?

[exotic scarab]

look like that

[midnight nebula]

wth are u yapping about

thats not discrimination

[keen shuttle]

Are you dscriminating against my moral foundation?

[midnight nebula]

I prefer not to talk about your moral foundation, but talking about it is just against cubecraft rules

[keen shuttle]

There are no rules against talking about the holy scroll in this Discord server.

[midnight nebula]

Yeah people got warned for nothing then

its against the rules

let's drop this topic

[keen shuttle]

Who rules then?

[midnight nebula]

I already told you, cubecraft

now lets stop talking about that

[keen shuttle]

Cubecraft is not a real entity, it's a collective of people and you mention some people enforcing their own personal rules which are not stated here.

[midnight nebula]

sure

[keen shuttle]

I don't intend to ever buy ranks for any server but for the sake of the people participating in this playerbase I argue against subscriptions and any predatory business practices that the Cubecraft collective may use, particularly the exploitation of children for profit without any regard for the quality of their minigames, gameplay, and server.

I see Cubecraft following a similar downward trajectory to what Mineplex went through while I played on it to the very end, I've tried to appeal through the disapproval of players who want to exploit the server for meaningless statistics and I may continue to do so.

If players start advocating for moderation abuse and it is then practiced there is no hope after that point.

[midnight nebula]

they are not bringing back ranks

[nova fog]

the army grows

[keen shuttle]

58 upvotes to remove subscriptions

[vivid yoke]

i dont see 58 but it doesnt matter anyway

[keen shuttle]

"An entire generation just stopped buying games" - Legendary Drops

[vivid yoke]

probably mostly due to subscriptions like xbox game pass which is probably the best value subscription you could buy

most people dont replay games after finishing them

[young dock]

actually a lot of people do?

[vivid yoke]

they dont

[young dock]

depends on the game, but a lot of people do? idk where you got that from but wtv

[vivid yoke]

where are you getting this from

[young dock]

where are you getting that from?

[vivid yoke]

why do you think a lot of people do

[young dock]

why do you think people don't?

[vivid yoke]

because xbox game pass wouldnt be so popular if people were

[young dock]

i think it still would be? its a pretty valuable pass?

[vivid yoke]

looked it up its about 15%, so like i said, most people dont replay games after finishing them

[young dock]

where are you finding this stat 😭

[vivid yoke]

you can ask any ai

since surveys arent done for this

[young dock]

oh my gosh

[woeful eagle]

You will take a part from their profit revenue?
I'm sure

[vivid yoke]

yeah i get about 5-10% of cubecraft total revenue depending on the month

[woeful eagle]

😆!fr

[young dock]

anyway back on topic subscriptions suck

[vivid yoke]

they do but theyre here to stay

[young dock]

i thought you were defending them

i wanted to argue with someone

[vivid yoke]

that was someone else

tho i think hes just trolling

[young dock]

oh

boorrringgg

[mighty elk]

You know you're just a clown when you're defending cc when they make the worst decisions possible

[midnight nebula]

🤡 I'm just a clown

[mighty elk]

Exactly

[mighty elk]

You support cc on their obvious bad p2w
Decisions, shame on u bro

[midnight nebula]

cubecraft is NOT p2w

[mighty elk]

Monthly Subscriptions

Nahhhh

[midnight nebula]

pay to win 🙏

[mighty elk]

They aren't p2w things

[mighty elk]

They have literally beaten EA's FC mobile in money hunger

[vivid yoke]

then dont buy from them

[mighty elk]

Ahhhhh it's you once again

Another glazer

[midnight nebula]

no answer ?

just don't but the subs if u don't want

nobody is forcing you

[mighty elk]

Alr so what do you have to say abut people who bought minecoins while not knowing they changed the ranks and get shattered by that fact?

[midnight nebula]

I don't say anything, they bought minecoins with their full consent too.

and who told you someone did that 💀

[vivid yoke]

why would you buy minecoins without looking at what you want to buy

[mighty elk]

The day before the change happened

[midnight nebula]

none of my issues, they shouldn't have done that

and I don't even think it happend to someone

they should have bought the rank the day the bought the minecoins

[mighty elk]

He bought them yesterday planning to buy his permanent cc rank to only wake up to the shattering change

[vivid yoke]

why didnt he buy it yesterday

[mighty elk]

I'm sure Sm1 has fell a victim in this situation

[mighty elk]

Just imagine it

[midnight nebula]

always thinking bad

[vivid yoke]

cubecraft should have given a notice before the change but your example is terrible

[mighty elk]

nah this server won't notify u abut money milking changes

[keen shuttle]

66 upvotes to remove subscriptions.

[vivid yoke]

there were 90 unique upvotes on a thread to remove java yet that somehow didnt happen so 66 upvotes across like 6 threads is meaningless

plus its not gonna happen

if you actually want it to change do this:

1. stop buying from cubecraft
2. quit the server

[mighty elk]

At this point we should organize a riot

[keen shuttle]

Gather a bunch of hackers to crash the server.

[keen shuttle]

We can start by stalling every minigame, preventing people from playing.

[mighty elk]

But it's gonna be hard tho

[keen shuttle]

The server's being hard on our money, money is beyond the scope of the game.

You hurt our money, we hurt your money.

[keen shuttle]

We could ChatGPT a bot script that tracks pre-match countdowns and leaves soon enough for the game to not start, if there is no countdown then the bots switch to another lobby.

[keen shuttle]

Your solution is for us to kill off Cubecraft Java, ideally our solution is to coerce Cubecraft into changing.

We've been coerced, retaliating with coercion is logical.

[keen shuttle]

If only Cubecraft would install Geyser so that the two versions wouldn't be eager to slit each others throat.

[mighty elk]

We Will get to prison so we will organize a peaceful protest

[vivid yoke]

they arent, bedrock players believe that supporting the java server means less support for the bedrock server, and java players are simply trying not to lose their server since they already lost half their gamemodes

[vivid yoke]

the solution is to stop giving them money or using their services so their profits drop

but no ones gonna stop paying or playing cuz thats how people are

[keen shuttle]

69 upvotes to remove subscriptions and no response, we need to mess up the server.

[vivid yoke]

i would say the same thing again but its like talking to a wall

no ones gonna stop playing and yall gonna keep spending money anyway

[woeful eagle]

Ok, none gonna stop paying. But I didn't played in cubecraft since 7 days

[bold wraith]

Useless now

dont say anything about ranks when you dont have one

[bitter prairie]

we have a permanent ranked and were promised permanent features, yet were misssing out on everything new they release

why would anyone in their right mind that spent 50+ euros years ago now require to spend more money just to have the same features

[vivid yoke]

when you bought the rank you got what you paid for

but the reason they switched to subs was because permanent ranks dont give a stable income flow as cubecraft previously mentioned

[exotic scarab]

NO they just money hungry stop glaze them

[vivid yoke]

i dont think the people throwing around the term "money hungry" know how a business works

maybe theyre all too young for discord

[little kindle]

Fym stop glaze them

[exotic scarab]

i wont argue with yall cube unstaff people keep riding them maybe u will get a lil badge😂

[little kindle]

Youre either a child or really stupid bro

He Just gave you some facts and you Just ignored them and said hes glazing

[exotic scarab]

maybe your brainwash and believe anything they say "stable income flow" yeah sure

[vivid yoke]

discord is 13+

[exotic scarab]

🍆🚲

adjectibe base/cute/strong 😂

[toxic grove]

By stable income flow, do you mean like...less and less people are buying the ranks which leads to bad income expectations is the term?

So by basically making it into subscription, they earn either like, I don't know, maybe monthly or so

But more consistent than permanent ranks?

Also hi again Feli, I'm not too sure if you still remember me

[toxic grove]

Yeah I get your point my guy, glazing and such but remember @vivid yoke has some point as well

[exotic scarab]

well now he call me a kid

[toxic grove]

Rather than assuming, it's better off if you would've just listened to the other party or read what they said

Can't blame him

Don't take it personally

It's how people talk to each other nowadays, I wonder why. Nevertheless, it's not glazing

[vivid yoke]

bro got on an alt 😭

[toxic grove]

Jeez I wonder who

My old account got chucked to death

[vivid yoke]

im crine

[toxic grove]

Hi Crine!

I'm vion

[vivid yoke]

probably not

[toxic grove]

You probably do now

[vivid yoke]

nope

ign?

[toxic grove]

Crazy stuff

Vi0n8398

Vi0nWho, if I could edit my ign

[vivid yoke]

nope idk

[toxic grove]

Wild stuff

How the hell do you not remember me but I remember you💔

[vivid yoke]

theres a lot of people i knew and its been a while

[toxic grove]

Chat savior I got called before

Mini mod as well

Who am I kidding, you probably can't remember me still😭

[vivid yoke]

i might remember you

i checked other servers

[toxic grove]

See

At least some here gotta remember me fr

I was too hard headed and too active to be forgotten (really now.)

[vivid yoke]

no, permanent ranks are a one time purchase, so after you buy it you cant buy it again, but with the subscription model, people keep coming back every month to buy it again which leads to a reliable monthly income and more revenue over time

[toxic grove]

Forgot to add the word permanent ranks

But yeah that's what I meant too

Either way, the thing to do now, is how to handle or find something to solve this issue

[vivid yoke]

but the main thing is that cubecraft knew the community wouldnt like it and as you can see they dont like it but no one in the community seems to actually want to do something about it, like quitting the game

you cant give negative feedback and expect them to change it when they already knew there would be negative feedback

[toxic grove]

Another thing I'm also wondering is that, I checked other channels and saw that people kept mentioning the toxic community? Like I'm curious how toxic it is now

[vivid yoke]

depends where you look

[toxic grove]

Last time before my account got deleted, saw people swearing in this server

[vivid yoke]

games like ffa were always toxic but i havent noticed any increase in toxicity anywhere

[toxic grove]

If I recall it wasn't even allowed before

[vivid yoke]

its still not allowed

[toxic grove]

Bad timing I suppose

[vivid yoke]

but there might have been some changes not in the rules

[toxic grove]

Isn't that quite...unfair is the word

[toxic grove]

The only thing about that, is that there's players here that won't leave the game nor the community

[vivid yoke]

yes

so cubecraft is taking advantage of that

[toxic grove]

Is that a bad or good thing

[vivid yoke]

i just checked apparently its a bit less strict but not much

tho i got that from a ticket transcript with a mod who isnt a mod anymore

[toxic grove]

Swearing is still swearing though, plus there's children here. Dunno what happened but that's what I can say

[vivid yoke]

probably just a bad mod

[toxic grove]

CC got worse I suppose

[vivid yoke]

idk

[toxic grove]

I'll take that as a bad thing since it's kinda taking advantage of the vulnerability

[vivid yoke]

they stopped listening to the community a few years ago iirc

[toxic grove]

WHAT

When was this😭

[vivid yoke]

around the time eggwars season 2 came out

[toxic grove]

And that would be...?

[vivid yoke]

maybe august 2023

[toxic grove]

Crazy stuff

Right on time my account got deleted

[vivid yoke]

june 2023

iirc the eggwars focus group was deleted around that time

[toxic grove]

I'll lay low about that for now I guess so, but, could I ask though

Has blockwars been fixed

Regarding the issue with the devs vs players again

[vivid yoke]

yes if you mean 5v5