Eggwars season 3 | an OG Regression - The Sequel! / Season 4 Proposals

[gilded otter]

A consolidation of the 4-month eggies debate https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1317916238772703385

Jump to proposal: #1367351445309096029 message Summarized Thread: { }
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Chapter 1 - Seasons 0-3 & The Lone Wolves
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• Eggwars before seasons were implemented had a duo and team mode featuring larger match sizes and larger maps to accomodate more players, enderpearls were the primary recovery item when falling and punch bows were commonly employed to snipe players off of bridges and sky bases within the large voids between islands. Punch bows were also used to spam projectiles with relative ease not hindered by arbitrary fire-rate limitations leading to some situations where players are pinned and desperately clinging to clay buildings or entire teams firing volleys of arrows to defend their egg.
  Season 0's emerald shop expected players to camp the central island and gather emeralds which players rarely did and the items being overpowered were ultimately redundant and only advantageous to larger groups that could control the central island.
• Eggwars season 1 began as an experiment which featured a variety of new shop items such as redstone components, match sizes shrunk, smaller maps were added, and egg effects were implemented. I personally played through this season but not much is memorable besides the bizarre shop and the decrease in match sizes.
• Eggwars season 2 was released with the server updating from 1.8 to 1.19 which saw a drastic decrease in the overall size of the player count, many minigames were shut down leading players to switch to other existing minigames or quit. Emeralds were overhauled being obtainable from generators as well as the central island, the emerald shop was based on perks granting effects that applied to the individual, their team, or the whole match, the most overpowered being Discounted Discounts which lead to a new strategy of farming emeralds from generators going into enemy islands and stealing their emeralds.

Punch bows saw a significant enough debuff that it was no longer a practical weapon as it was before seasons were implemented, the fire-rate was hindered so that spamming was much slower and the knockback couldn't counter block clutching.
Leap feathers and elytra were added to the shop along with deployable buildings which were limited by cooldowns, deployable buildings rarely saw use outside of recreational building which was easily nullified by tnt among other items.
Netherite armor was added to the shop and was expensive only having slightly more durability than diamond and anti knockback properties which further limited bows and confined fights to land, fights were determined by playing strategically accumulating enough armor sets, golden apples, tnt, and recovery items to not die from fall damage, broken armor, or shear sustained damage. Fights were often slow and tedious lasting several minutes to hours to the displeasure of win-grinders and statistics oriented players, other players greatly enjoyed the new strategic gameplay despite the crippling of punch bows.

• The playerbase surrounding eggwars gradually shrank with players complaining about opponents that played by themselves yet managed to survive and overcome their squads, elytras + leap feathers when timed correctly would save them from falling into the void and launch them across the map putting enough distance between themselves and their opponents to recover, gear up, destroy eggs, and eventually win. Season 3 released with the removal of elytra, netherite armor, and the mite-master perk, players who played by themselves had lost their advantage which replaced the punch bow being restricted to the same playstyles used by statistics oriented players who'd mastered them.

The leap feather was crippled with a stack limit of 3 items and a long cooldown, tnt was crippled with a stack limit of 8 items where it was unlimited before, these new arbitrary limitations couldn't be seen until a player being able to afford more tried to buy multiple stacks of an item or tried to use them in quick succession.

• Players play alone for a variety of reasons among them being language barriers, a lack of friends, or their friends being preoccupied, the greatest advantage to have since season 3 is numbers and coordination, OG squads who've honed their skills in eggwars have exploited this to overwhelm newer players and lone survivors who are now forced to confront them or flee for much longer than they would in season 2 season 3 was intended to reduce the length of matches but in the process it undermined the strategy used by survivors by removing a crucial item used to gain distance from their opponents leading to even longer more repetitive matches.
  As season 3 stands you cannot win unless you employ untraceable hacks, flee until the opponents quit or stop pursuing, or kill everyone before they can gear up for survival, the gameplay is much more repetitive than it was in season 0-2 and although it's possible to adapt to this coercive gameplay it's not nearly as enjoyable as it used to be unless you're a statistics oriented player.

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Chapter 2 - Super Smash Mobs / How Playerbases Die / Historical Oppression
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• Super Smash Mobs was a minigame hosted by Mineplex, a former minigame server which shut down due to neglect with the playerbase deteriorating from cheaters and toxicity.
  - I was a daily player that witnessed the deterioration of Super Smash Mobs and the server as a whole, it began with me choosing the blaze as my primary kit, all the kits had their own unique abilities and special moves which promoted different playstyles but mine was the most notoriously hard to counter. My regeneration was the worst out of every kit which necessitated me to flee and recover, I still had to deal damage in order to restore hunger for healing but with flexible abilities and relatively high damage I managed to survive and overcome my opponents. My opponents became outraged resorting to cross-teaming and cheating where I adapted and still overcame them with their unfair advantages, they went as far as to target blazes on sight to prevent players from using the kit, slandering and raging without consequence
New players were deterred from replenishing SSM leaving the OG players to play by themselves and hone their skills, matches became incredibly toxic and I tried to defend myself against their slander and hypocrisy only to face moderation abuse for the first time, Every time I spoke I would be muted continuing until I'd been muted for more than 5 years straight, I tried to report my opponents but that didn't stop the cheating and cross-teaming so I just had to deal with it. Players would stall matches from starting and the playerbase gradually shrank until only the most competitive stayed, our skills were perfected and we wanted easier opponents but could only find competitive players.
• The game stagnated and tryhards dominated, they composed the majority of the playerbase and ultimately went dormant with the fall of Mineplex as a server.

• Survival servers follow a similar life cycle where the early joiners have time as their advantage, newer players are often hindered with artificial obstacles and have a harder time making new connections with the existing playerbase which has progressed and established barriers with high standards for new players to be accepted as members of their groups. Conflict between groups breaks out and saturates the atmosphere, if the players aren't willing to persevere through losses, toxicity, and dormancy they'll quit and new players will have even less opportunity to connect. Survival is the most strategic with fabricated buildings infrastructure to support building and maintenance, typically by default the best combat strategies are explosive pvp though some servers will balance combat strategies to encourage a wider variety of fighting such as elytra dog-fights with explosive rockets or make blast protection practical for melee in explosive combat.
  Survival servers are some of the most repetitive out there yet they attract playerbases because of a players creativity, their eagerness to build and fight, make stories of their nations and embed lore within their buildings, realizing long-term projects like netherite beacons or comically large and ornate trading complexes, even silly challenges like the largest pyramid or terraforming spawn regions into petrified stone plains, there's nothing limiting their playstyles so they can innovate and renew their joy.

• The difference between playing the game and abuse is breaching the scope of the game, if I'm abusing players that means I'm personally offending them such as with doxxing, death threats, and distributing malware, we all have the power to stay or disconnect when we aren't enjoying the moment and new matches can be found easily, trolling is easily countered by cutting the opportunity short and everyone should know and expect this.

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Chapter 3 - Rebalancing and new features
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Proposal 1 - All-Inclusive: https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1367370321123872768

• Restore elytra back to the shop
• Remove arbitrary stack and cooldown limitations for deployable buildings, eggmites, and tnt - remove stack limitation for leap feathers
• Restore Mite Master perk
• Remove bow fire-rate limitation {make bows fire faster}
• Upgrade punch bow to punch 2
• Add maps with eggs enclosed inside of caves, corridors, towers, and other confined spaces - showcased with a pre-match sequence so players know where they are
• Add crossbows with quick-charge 5 and multishot to the shop
• Add damaging/explosive rockets to the shop - used in conjunction with crossbow - restricted from elytra
• Add Homing enchantment perk applied to bows

Proposal 2 - Bare-Minimum: https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1367370895634726964

• Restore elytra back to the shop
• Add maps with eggs enclosed inside of caves, corridors, towers, and other confined spaces - showcased with a pre-match sequence so players know where they are
• Remove arbitrary stack and cooldown limitations for tnt - remove stack limitation for leap feathers

Why any of these should be implemented:
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• Anyone can adapt, players will use these features strategically, don't listen to players who are unwilling to try new features.

• Elytras + leap feather are items which superseded punch bows after the punch bow was crippled, they're hard to buy but players can grind discounts to make them cheaper buying time to recover and gear up in order to overcome their opponents. The opponents can likewise grind discounts and use this strategy against them for shorter matches.

• Punch bows were a strategic weapon that knocked players far and sniped them off of bridges, they need to be restored to their former potency in order to counter block clutching and rushers.
• If you want to encourage more fortification then put eggs within walls that cannot be broken, players will fortify openings and opponents will be forced to mine through them to get behind parts of the map which enclose the egg.
• If the punch bow absolutely cannot be upgraded then fast crossbows should take their place as defensive items, they're not very harmful and cannot punch players.
• Damaging rockets deal splash damage unlike arrows having a more specialized use case such as sniping groups of sky bridgers coming towards your egg.
• Eggmites, fireballs, instant walls, and instant towers are not so overpowered to require cooldowns or limits, we hardly ever see instant walls and towers used because they're too slow to counter snipers or squads in ground pursuit of a survivor, eggmites and fireballs would be awesome to spam and instant walls would be more useful without a cooldown.
• The mite-master perk is easily countered by tnt and was expensive to buy, they're adorable not annoying.
• If both a survivor and a squad have been pursuing each other for a long time then a homing enchantment perk applied to a power bow would force them to fight in the air, homing for 10 emeralds.

2+ Versions of 1 Minigame

• A few players have proposed the idea of hosting seasons of eggwars as their own standalone mode like duos and teams, this would lead to splitting the eggwars playerbase between casual and competitive where competitive players would most likely flood the casual side and deter them from playing. An experimental practice mode was tried for Super Smash Mobs but the actual game was so unpopular that competitive players invaded the practice mode and deterred new players from practicing leading it to be shut down.
  Hosting season 2 alongside other iterations of eggwars is most likely impractical so the game has to remain as 1 appealing to every player.

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Chapter 4 - A Divided Playerbase / The Fate of Multiplayer
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• Cubecraft is already split between versions Bedrock and Java, there is a disproportionate contempt against Java despite Bedrock getting most of the attention regarding features and updates but why not implement Geyser which allows Bedrock players to join Java servers? one server is easier to maintain than two or three. Multiplayer for Java is increasingly sparse with the majority of servers copying each others game modes, promoting gambling or Pay-To-Win gameplay, almost all the minigame servers besides Hypixel and Cubecraft have either abandoned Java or shut down, Java needs more options when it comes to minigame servers.
  Hypixel is a corrupt haven for cheaters, moderation abuse, and actual criminals who exploit the playerbase with scams and malware among other things, they permanently ban players with no opportunity to appeal thus hurting their money and they must be shut down for their multitude of offenses which breach the scope of the game.
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  _ _ 🔥 Protesting 🔥
• We need to protest against the OG Regression and the unfair practices which undermine our joy or the gamemode will be destroyed like how Super Smash Mobs was destroyed, in order to adapt to this new level of toxicity we have to protest on the same level.
  Create botnets with alt accounts that follow you and get your friends involved in parties to occupy eggwars lobbies before they start
Practice good OPSEC to make it harder if not impossible to be banned
Follow OG players into eggwars lobbies and leave before they can start, rejoin to restart the timer
Repeat until the players quit or succeed in starting a match
Optionally you can have your alts or friends posting messages regarding the OG Regression with links to this thread, make sure the chain is long enough to bypass the spam filter

Summary: Restore elytra to shop or minigame die I guess

What will you vote? #1367351445309096029 message

Eggwars season 3 | an OG Regression - The Sequel! / Season 4 Proposals

[vast vortex]

Bro made it that we can't react X

Smart ngl

[gilded otter]

Would someone please let me borrow their forum account so I can post this thread there? thanks.

[cold dirge]

put a couple on for you ❤️

@gork please summarize this post

[gilded otter]

I spent 5 hours formatting it and you drew X's on it.

One way or another you OG parasites will lose.

[bright harbor]

No wonder he didnt want us to vote X it's gonna ratio the post so bad

[gilded otter]

I'm the X man.

You're an ex-man

[bright harbor]

🙏

[gilded otter]

If there's anything else to debate then we can draw this out for another 4 months and make an even more elaborate wall of text.

We're over 900 comments deep not including those outside the threads.

[warm matrix]

Please try to stay respectful to each other. I’ve added the x and kept one of the checks.

[gilded otter]

But there's 2 proposals

[gilded otter]

#1367351445309096029 message

[warm matrix]

Please create two suggestions in this case. Fyi I didn’t read this but I hope this is different in some way from your previous suggestions.

[gilded otter]

Have a forums account I can borrow for posting these on?

[humble jewel]

Bro I asked you to work on a solution and this is not it, the biggest issue with this wall of text is that you've littered it with your biased opinion, everyone immediately gave it negative feedback because it's the same proposal, you keep banging your head against a wall when trying to argue about this topic, your points are the same every time, I told you how you could make your argument successful in a way that wouldn't drastically change the game yet you have still decided to ignore and despise.

[gilded otter]

So these people won't listen to reason.

[gilded otter]

Your recommendation lead to me being warned 3 times, please get those pardoned and let this thread be the vote for either of the 2 proposals

[prime venture]

yap

[glacial scroll]

thats just too much text man

[vale tiger]

why not just make your own..?

also that is a LOT of text

[gilded otter]

That requires me to link my accounts together and I can't do that.

[gilded otter]

I tried to sympathize but this playerbase doesn't listen to reason, maybe force.

[vale tiger]

i dont think you need multiple accounts/emails for it, just 1

linking other accounts later on is optional

[gilded otter]

Last time I tried making a forums account linking a Minecraft account was a requirement.

[cold dirge]

basically the reason he doesnt want to link is because hes banned and if he links with his alt hed get banned for bypassing

[vast vortex]

It is kinda obvious everyone is against this

Like am not even hating but the chances staff do this is extremely low

Especially after they have reverted what they have worked on

[oblique mantle]

the chance is zero

the only one agreeing with this post is the person that made it

[woven gull]

You're dedicated and i can respect that. But, when are you going to realise that it is pointless? Nobody agrees with you, this is like the 5th post you've made about this, and the responses from the community is still the exact same. We dont want what your suggesting.

[prime venture]

aint no way you actually wasted your time typing all that

[prime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-felt-hero-tough-tough-guy-how-you-felt-after-saying-that-gif-12464623776561746518

[gilded otter]

When I see that Cubecraft loses too much of its playerbase I'll quit.

Or until eggwars gets shut down.

[gilded otter]

Because they don't read apparently.

[gilded otter]

Normally the scanner thinks I'm an AI.

[vast vortex]

Ppl are not interested as you can tell

You can have your opinion on this

But you have to know that cubecraft isn't changing from 1 person

Unless you get the majority of the eggwars community to agree with you the changes won't be reverted

[woven gull]

Cubecraft java is more popular now than it has been for the past like 5 years
Idk what your talking about, cubecraft is certanly not dying

[gilded otter]

Eggwars is certainly dying.

[cold dirge]

i dont think that has anything to do with cubecraft

just minecraft in general spiked in popularity

[woven gull]

def not

[woven gull]

yea thats true ig

[gilded otter]

Based on personal experience it's guaranteed to.

[woven gull]

Yea it wont last forever, but since the changes you're suggesting is very clearly disliked by the community, how on earth would they help?

[humble jewel]

That might be the worst take you've had

Abusive gameplay is much larger than doxxing people and hacking, it includes doing things like trapping people with obsidian, spawn killing etc. You are literally violating the rules and the only reason you haven't been banned is because your account isn't linked.

Also being the only person to like your post is up there with the most embarrassing things possible, like how are you that desperate for someone to agree with you 💀

[gilded otter]

So playing the game is abuse.

[humble jewel]

Dude are you

[gilded otter]

It happens to me too and I don't care.

[humble jewel]

The words that are appropriate to use here are not appropriate on a discord server

[humble jewel]

If you don't care then stop complaining

[gilded otter]

I don't believe I've broken any rules, there's no such thing as abusive playstyles.

[humble jewel]

You have broken rules

You have obby trapped, used alt accounts to avoid bans, you have cheated, you have stated things on this server that are illegal such as botting

[gilded otter]

How many times do I have to correct you, it was UNINTENTIONALLY.

[humble jewel]

That is an excuse and doesn't excuse you from any of the other offenses you've done

[gilded otter]

Which shouldn't be offensive.

[humble jewel]

Irrelevant statement

[gilded otter]

How else are we meant to retaliate against corruption which has gained a hold on developers.

[humble jewel]

Nonsense

That doesn't make you right

[gilded otter]

Pretentious hypocrite.

[humble jewel]

Lol, someone is angwy 😡😢

[gilded otter]

Rich coming from the ex-man who expresses wanting to use strong words not allowed by Discord.

[humble jewel]

Ex-man? The words I was going to use are honest and correct, and they are allowed by discord but they don't need to be used here

[gilded otter]

As if I weren't crystal clear throughout this debate.

[humble jewel]

Obviously, it's easy to tell that the points you make are irrelevant

[gilded otter]

Illegal by what law, to reuse the same alts from anarchy servers to help protest against the destruction of our once favorite gamemode?

[humble jewel]

Botting is illegal and using an alt account if you have been already banned is illegal

[gilded otter]

There are people fighting against other servers that illegally promote gambling behaviors.

[humble jewel]

So? That's a good thing and doesn't have anything to do with the present topic at all

[gilded otter]

So by what law?

I don't believe anything I've said would breach the scope of the game.

I'm asking you to prove why it's illegal.

[humble jewel]

^^

[gilded otter]

By what law?

[humble jewel]

https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1088899499658838016

[gilded otter]

So it's not illegal, it's against policy which is not related to the legal system.

[humble jewel]

How?

It's cubecraft rules

And you are on cubecrafts server

🤯

[gilded otter]

It applies to a video game and the vessels within it.

[humble jewel]

And we are talking about that said video game

[gilded otter]

Perhaps if people would respect my playstyles instead of dismantling them by unfair means like patching them out of the game I would respect the game and its playerbase more.

[humble jewel]

Do you not understand that not everyone is going to be happy?

Someone out of a 100000 people is gonna have a different opinion, that doesn't mean everyone has to support them

Or that everyone is required to do it at all

[gilded otter]

Yes, if a game is balanced there inevitibly will be players who don't like some things, they're pros and cons.

[humble jewel]

The majority of the playerbase is content and the player amount reflects that, both java and bedrock

[gilded otter]

I may like a game while disliking some features within it.

[gilded otter]

Eggwars used to see 200+, now it regularly sees 50-110.

[humble jewel]

Where is this information you are getting from

[gilded otter]

Personal observations while looking for a decent match.

Match cycling until I find a good map

[humble jewel]

And you are a human, and there is such a thing as human error, therefore the numbers are more accurate, therefore you are an unreliable source.

[gilded otter]

What do you want from the average player, do you expect them to have alt accounts tracking numbers and consuming internet data at the expense of the provider paying for it?

[humble jewel]

The information is public buddy

[gilded otter]

Frankly they don't reflect my experience.

[humble jewel]

Well you aren't on 24/7 are you?

[gilded otter]

My sleep schedule varies fluctuating between nocturnal and diurnal.

[humble jewel]

Which means you are not on 24/7

Aka the numbers you have are biased

[gilded otter]

I'm online at more points of the day than the average player.

[humble jewel]

That doesn't change the fact that you are or aren't on the game 24/7, the information is public

[gilded otter]

If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.

[humble jewel]

First off buying is owning it depends on other factors, going to the store and buying a stick of butter means you own it, buying a house is technically not owning as the government owns the land, pirating is always stealing and just because you used an analogy doesn't mean that the connection you made is or was or will be correct, pirating is stealing and it always will be, no artificial or technical bonds will change that.

[cold dirge]

thats crazy cuz since youre banned youre not supposed to be able to play

[cold dirge]

this only applies to certain cases, like ubisoft products, EA, sony, that cut your access to services that you paid for

[gilded otter]

I've done nothing to warrant a permanent ban.

[cold dirge]

you cheated which is against the rules

[gilded otter]

Unintentionally.

There was no unfair advantages.

[cold dirge]

too bad

maybe should have considered that before using it

[gilded otter]

Maybe you should have considered adapting to and respecting my playstyles before undermining the game.

[cold dirge]

yeah i did, the game sucked so i stopped playing along with thousands of other players

[gilded otter]

It used to see 200+ and now after the OG Regression it only sees 50-120.

[gilded otter]

Sometimes the game sucks for me too, that doesn't cause me to undermine my opponents with suggestions for developers to remove or nerf critical features supporting their playstyles.

I learned from moderation abuse and borderline racism that I had to adapt.

[cold dirge]

do you have data to prove that

i doubt the game had 200+ cuz the server in total averaged 500-600

[gilded otter]

Where else would players be without Pillars of Fortune? I don't hallucinate and players who know me assure me remaking that I have a good memory for places I've seen and that includes usernames and numbers.

[cold dirge]

you couldnt even remember the punch level on bows

[gilded otter]

They were certainly stronger in season 0.

[cold dirge]

they were always punch 1

[gilded otter]

Punch 1 doesn't punch as hard as season 0 bows.

[oblique mantle]

Eggwars will not be changed back, there is no point in discussing this anyways

[cold dirge]

so true~~

[cold dirge]

actually he has a point can you make it more like season 0

do that and remove all the garbage in the lobby and ill actually play again

[vast vortex]

You r replying to a message saying they won't change it back....

[oblique mantle]

Like what?

[cold dirge]

eggwars from early 2021

the update just after wood and axes were removed

[gilded otter]

As long as punch bows are made as strong as they once were.

[warm fractal]

Why would you want to react X? I could only imagine lower intelligence noob players not wanting win conditions to return so games arent 2 hours long

Anyone reacting X to this post clearly wants the gamemode to die in some shape or form and allow players to turtle the game for hours on end

Top 10s in Eggwars myself used TNT to create win conditions that would force turtles with gapples to take so much fall damage and lose the game.

[bright harbor]

Womp womp

[glacial scroll]

what is this post about

this is just too much to read rn

[warm fractal]

If anything

1. Elytra should return to prevdnt ceiling camping. Ceiling camps allow plays to turtle and build underneath the map. Elytras were an excellent counter paired with TNT

2. Remove TNT cap: TNT was a win condition item to stop campers from chugging and entire stack of golden apples while having multiple sets of netherite armour.

3. If 2. can’t be done, make erosion much, much stronger than it is now.

4. Speed up generators if multiple people are on one. Noobs with absolutely no skill tend to take resources and then AFK for the entire game, preventing skilled players from rushing mid.

[vast vortex]

People are free to have their opinions, and yes, I don't like 2 hours games

[warm fractal]

Fixing eggwars so the games arent 2 hours long lol

[glacial scroll]

i agree

3 mins max

[warm fractal]

Again this comes from a top 10 monthly player for like

8 consecutive months until the update

[bright harbor]

Only sensible point acc to me is the erosion enchantment it should be buffed

[warm fractal]

Do you camp in games?

[bright harbor]

Nope

[oblique mantle]

it's really simple, the amount of people preferring the current version of the game is much greater than the amount of people that liked the game how it was before, as seen on the votes on this post.

you are free to have your opinion, but you also have to respect others

[warm fractal]

Mega and 4v4s are at an alltime low and none of the known names are on the gamemode anymore 😂

ive never seen mega drop below 100 midday on a weekend, ever

My SG and Eggwars group of 50 actives completely stopped playing, maybe i should get them to interact on the thread

[bright harbor]

You are actually making some good points unlike that one dude

[vast vortex]

I mean even if they are "good" points the change will only be reflected if more ppl agree than disagree which I don't see happening any time soon

[warm fractal]

I mean ill probably ping my clan soon to flood vote yes

unsure if they will react since like me we got bummed from the new update

[cold dirge]

generator speeds should actually be halved

base speed of an iron gen is supposed to be 1 second

[vast vortex]

Depends on the map ngl, there r some 4s maps with only like 1 iron gen or something

[cold dirge]

pre gen is fine and probably better but double speed is way too much

[warm fractal]

If thats the case prioritize higher level players to receive the items first

[oblique mantle]

😂

[vast vortex]

P2W

Not happening

[cold dirge]

splitting gens is fine the way it is

[warm fractal]

wait yea forgot this is a p2w server and there are exp modifiers

[cold dirge]

its not p2w at all

[vast vortex]

^^^

[warm fractal]

At least team killing wasnt patched

best way to stop team resource hogs from going to mid or training them to not go to mid

[cold dirge]

if youre getting 2 hour games then youre doing something wrong

[vast vortex]

^^^

Only time I get 2 hours game is when I play scrims

[warm fractal]

mm actually doing everything right

Turtling and camping is the new meta

[vast vortex]

It really isn't and camping is against the rules

[warm fractal]

The meta is multiple stacks of netherite armor, pearls, enchanted gapps

[cold dirge]

you can do that but then dont complain about how long it takes

[vast vortex]

There is no netherrite armor anymore

[cold dirge]

game length is really a choice

[warm fractal]

Not really lol

Again so much camping

[cold dirge]

when i started playing 5 years ago i would have 45 minute games because i chose to make them long, i could have ended the game much faster

[cold dirge]

if its taking you hours to kill campers then youre doing something wrong

[vast vortex]

Even when I started I didn't have 45 minutes games I either died fast or won fairly fast

[warm fractal]

TNT used to stop campers. Nothing is being done wrong when youre directly attacking a player gapple spamming

[vast vortex]

Get strength pots

[warm fractal]

Useless

[vast vortex]

You can't heal fast enough

[vast vortex]

It isn't

[warm fractal]

not when youre healing faster

[vast vortex]

But you arnt healing faster

Unless they have diamond armor

[warm fractal]

And if thats the case, players can pearl away giving 1-2 seconds of room

[vast vortex]

And if they do then u did something wrong

[cold dirge]

if youre getting 2 hour long games then youre not top 10

[warm fractal]

Literally read what I said

r e a d

These are players at endgame with max armour/gapps

[vast vortex]

I have played for years and I have never seen someone use a pearl + pearls are expensive so if they have time to get them again, you are doing something wrong

[warm fractal]

Tnt stacks did the job

Instant death from fall damage

Really? Id have like a full stack of pearls after some time

[vast vortex]

A full stack of pearls is 16 stacks of diamonds

Sooo

[warm fractal]

Yup! Max out gens and farm for pearls

[cold dirge]

if youre getting pearls youre doing something wrong

[vast vortex]

Getting 16 stacks of diamonds is very wrong

You are basically camping and then complaining about games being too long

[cold dirge]

at most youll only ever need 1 pearl to save yourself against a good player

[warm fractal]

If you werent able to solo groups of known players in the old meta, I really don’t think youre that credible

You could come hop on solos next week and I can see what your gamestyle is

[cold dirge]

i have done that, i dont think you know how good i was in my prime

[warm fractal]

But hearing it come from a pro-camper/turtle who prefers the new meta to ruin the experience of cleaners and top players combined with a purchased rank, my expectations are kind of low

Yikes

!!

[cold dirge]

i dont play anymore because i dont like the game, i want them to restore it back to early 2021 eggwars

[oblique mantle]

if the meta was to farm for 2 hours, i am so glad it's gone

[warm fractal]

Early 2021 is something ill agree with

Anything that isnt this current cap garbage

[cold dirge]

the meta is supposed to be to rush with as little resources as possible

[warm fractal]

my clan and I would have a defense squad for 10 minutes and then just shut down mega lobbies

2 players on egg, one inside the actual defense as a hitbox barrier

[cold dirge]

there was even an emerald shop of garbage items that would appease blackbean

[warm fractal]

Emerald shop is useless save for erosion or mite master

[vast vortex]

Before we didn't have ADHD🔥

Hmm I don't think I said it right

But oh well

[cold dirge]

the tnt cap being removed is fine cuz it was useless anyway imo

[warm fractal]

No im saying there was no tnt cap

Which was great

Now you can only carry 10

[cold dirge]

yes they should remove it

[warm fractal]

Id bring in a stack to launch players

[cold dirge]

its a useless item imo i dont see it being a problem

[warm fractal]

minimum

Its a top tier anti camp weapon lol

Ive launched turtles hundreds of blocks in the air

And they would gapple spam in air, still die, and then spam in chat claiming I have a hacked client lololol

[cold dirge]

if its launching players that high theres probably an issue with it

[bright harbor]

Thats what I think too

[bright harbor]

It was bugged

And too op

[warm fractal]

unskilled campers could be countered*

have you ever built a tnt elevator?

insane velocity

[patent totem]

2h long games are so fun ngl

[gilded otter]

Maybe you can give me more input to work with, I've never seen mega eggwars on Java.

[gilded otter]

There's no issue with the item itself, the key is timing.

If you can spam-click tnt fast enough then their knockback combines.

[gilded otter]

If that were the case then why have an emerald shop at all? it provides perks like auto repair and previously mite master but emeralds will always fund discounts first.

Bedwars is the short-term fast-paced alternative to eggwars.

The emerald shop is a feature which supports long-term matches, it should have perks like the mite master available.

[gilded otter]

Too overpowered because it was an effective crowd control tool for individual survivors to overcome teams of opponents?

[bright harbor]

It was just bugged

A bug isn't supposed to be in the game

[gilded otter]

Obsidian is much easier to accumulate now so tnt spam can be countered by entrapping each other.

[gilded otter]

Why was it bugged?

[bright harbor]

Idk I ain't no dev

[gilded otter]

From my experience there was nothing wrong with it, you placed it and it self ignited.

Have you ever built tnt cannons?

Tnt spam operates on the same principal which tnt cannons work on.

[bright harbor]

That was not the bug the damage and kb it delt was

[gilded otter]

So tnt cannons are bugged.

[bright harbor]

A cannon and a player kb are two different things

[gilded otter]

Players are entities like tnt.

They're effected by knockback the same way except tnt can't be punched around.

In order for matches to be shorter the game must be made easier for individual lone players to survive by long-term features but especially by crowd control tools, those which knock players around.

Those same tools and perks can be used against the survivor.

[gilded otter]

So I was too late to start this debate.

[warm fractal]

then don't talk about things you clearly don't know

TNT velocity has been a thing since 2011 MC

[bright harbor]

How would you know what inside code was broken

Ik as a player that it was broken and it was acknowledged as a bug by cc team

[warm fractal]

Obviously I don't have access to the additional scripts but I've programmed addons before

[gilded otter]

Can you or one of your clan members lend me a forums account? I would have my own but Cubecraft requires me to link my account for that and I cannot do that. Or you could copy-paste this post on the forums for me so we can reach more people.

[warm fractal]

unless if youre like

new new to Minecraft

TNT velocity is super well known

[warm fractal]

why can't you link?

[gilded otter]

Moderation abuse.

[warm fractal]

my account might have a shadow blacklist since it took staff almost 60 days to respond to a crossteam report

[bright harbor]

Most of the servers use custom kb for tnt so vanilla doesn't matter anyway

[warm fractal]

perks of Microsoft gatekeeping Bedrock edition SDKs to very few server owners only.

It's the only reason why there are 6 active servers on bedrock!

[bright harbor]

I would argue but ok

[warm fractal]

Unless if you want to swap out Galaxite with a more active server that doesn't have wait times to enter a pvp game with 3 people max in it, be my guest.

even then, SDKs for MCBE are limited to specific partnered servers only putting other servers at a significant disadvantage.

offtopic rant over

[gilded otter]

I tried to argue with my own in-game encounters but people kept claiming I wanted to stall the game, it's necessary for me to recover and build up gear in order to make win conditions before my opponents stop me or I make a mistake that kills me.

They blamed me for using items that they refused to adapt to.

[warm fractal]

rushers don't have the best skill

I've 1v4d entire rush squads before

protip, if you actually want to become a better PVPer, Hive SW and SG has some of the best fighters in the entire game

going from Hive SW/SG to Cubecraft is like going from the MLB to a pickup ball game

[gilded otter]

I used to snipe and clutch my way through 1v6's in season 0 when the punch bow was effective, I also tnt spammed like you did in season 2.

[warm fractal]

I was a top 20 player on hive SG back in 2020, moved to cube because moderation started allowing types of people to flourish. Cube's best fighters are the equivelent of maybe lower top 100s in SG

[warm fractal]

100% of eggwars teams I play with are usually braindead and can't defend or are cognitively aware of what's going on

or speak lol

[gilded otter]

Exactly why we need to be able to win by ourselves.

These losers want to undermine our capacity to do that.

[warm fractal]

Eggwars needs to allow more solo mechanics and team kill

[gilded otter]

@oblique mantle How can I make multiple suggestions for season 4 proposals without triggering more warnings?

[warm fractal]

every game I have to mine underneath my teammate's bridge and kill them for being so stupid

[cold dirge]

you specifically should hate discounts

they literally only benefit rushers

[oblique mantle]

I am suprised you are not banned yet tbh, i have seen you spamming links to your own posts on threads that have nothing to do with eggwars all the time

[gilded otter]

Simultaneously it benefits the one skilled player who gets stuck with teammates they can't work with and who get steamrolled instantly.

[gilded otter]

If it weren't for the account linking requirements I'd likely be doing less of that.

[warm fractal]

eggwars should have ranked mode

[gilded otter]

So this: #1367351445309096029 message

[warm fractal]

yea

[gilded otter]

I suppose that could be tried but Mineplex tried some thing similar with a Super Smash Mobs practice mode and it was shut down because tryhards stopped new players from practicing.

Maybe if there's enough competition for Cubecrafts tryhards they won't overflow into the lesser gamemode.

[warm fractal]

hot take: respawn time should be 15 seconds minimum

The 3 second respawn time allows for noob camping and human sheilds around eggs

[cold dirge]

also since hes made it pretty clear hes bypassing

[gilded otter]

Again I've done nothing to warrant a permanent ban.

I'm not bypassing.

You take an unintentional mistake and make it a bypass accusation.

[cold dirge]

way too long

[warm fractal]

not really, it'll make noobs think about their next plan

[gilded otter]

You want to get me banned by any means so that the only one or two people who may threaten the rushers season 3 hegemony can't try again.

[cold dirge]

it makes squad wiping too easy

[cold dirge]

no its because youre clearly hurting the community by spamming threads like this especially in unrelated threads

[warm fractal]

@oblique mantle why would a more intelligent W player who clearly shows activity and dedication be banned for suggestions? 🤔

[cold dirge]

for spamming it in other unrelated threads and channels

[warm fractal]

3 messages isn't spam

[cold dirge]

also for encouraging cheating but that different

[cold dirge]

no but there have been at least 10

and several threads like this created

[gilded otter]

I'm hurting the community by giving counsel as to why season 3 is ultimately going to kill eggwars and how to prevent that and future cases of corruption.

[cold dirge]

actually the threshold for spam is 3 so technically it is spam but it wouldnt warrant a ban

[warm fractal]

@gilded otter check ur dms

maybe. If my clans care, they'll eventually flood a suggestion with likes

CC Gang and CT are dead because of the new updates though

[cold dirge]

season 2 already killed eggwars

literally the entire community stopped playing

only players who tolerated it kept playing

[warm fractal]

the other option would be make a new mc server but Microsoft gatekeeps Bedrock SDKs

especially for C++ devs such as myself

[cold dirge]

cc runs on java

not really the best performance but it works ig

[warm fractal]

is it using one of those link plugins?

[cold dirge]

something like that

[warm fractal]

clan is finally responding

[humble jewel]

Are you BBA's minion?

[gilded otter]

There's a lot more where they came from. {joking}

[humble jewel]

Actually nm ur worse

[humble jewel]

Obviously

[gilded otter]

Maybe not, you people need me to break things down very fine.

[humble jewel]

Some people

I can take a hint

Doesn't mean I'll listen

[deft walrus]

oooh

somebody is mad

@humble jewel r u madb

bisfbro

jstobtwlmkiydu

[humble jewel]

Ragebait at its finest

[deft walrus]

madd ahhhh

would you like to know the complex in depth meanings of my slanged speech?

[humble jewel]

No

[deft walrus]

YEAS

uw

u would

jssi

just slangin it

[humble jewel]

How old r u bruv

[rich inlet]

My opinion on this topic is that some things should be brought back and not others.
I do miss how the previous update required significantly more gold for debris, I believe the obsidian is too cheap.
I think higher damage output is fine to prevent extended games, and I appreciated netherite swords, however, netherite armor was not only extremely expensive and not commonly used, it dragged out games when people got it due to the unnecessarily high durability and just overall isn't needed back.
I agree with the removal of a cap on items such as leap feathers and TNT, because, while I did not use these items, they are not commonly used anyways and need a buff.
Same with the elytra, you almost never saw it in games because of its high cost and low durability.
bows are annoying either way, but the ender pearl is enough of a counter to make the argument for stronger punch slightly more valid.
I do think that the newer updates have reduced the player count, if not by a significant amount, and that many things should return to how they were.
Eggwars is meant to be a strategic game. Without strategy, it is just duels.

[vast vortex]

Tip: if u guys don't want long fights just bring strength pots, they are so overpowered

You can kill full iron armor with a diamond sword and strength potion in less than 10 hits

[vast vortex]

Btw asking for shorter games and then saying there shouldn't be a limit of leap is kinda crazy, if u have alot of leap then you are basically never dying to the void + they will keep dodging you and running while will only extend the game

[rich inlet]

there is a reason it costs diamonds

[rich inlet]

which are annoyingly countered by notch apples

[vast vortex]

Armour breaks pretty easily+I have never seen someone spam eat notch apples

And I have been playing for years

So you will be fine

[vast vortex]

Discounts can get it for real cheap

[rich inlet]

i have seen it an annoying amount of times
and i have not been playing for years

discounts are also expensive remember

[vast vortex]

In what gamemode? Solo, dou?

[rich inlet]

squads

solo and duo are pretty chill

[vast vortex]

They arnt, get an egg = 3 ems, update a gen = ems, exist in middle = ems, get an elimination = ems

[vast vortex]

Well I haven't seen it happen

You probably giving them lots of time to stack up

[rich inlet]

yeah but you never get higher than 60% in an average game

[vast vortex]

60% for leaps is cheap

Diamond arnt that hard to get with gen 3

If anything they should maybe nerf the gens

[rich inlet]

then maybe increase the priceif thas the issue

[rich inlet]

or that

[humble jewel]

I mean that's what a lot of people want too but BBA doesn't want to settle on a compromise, he won't be satisfied until every change he wants is made and that includes a lot of things that would ruin the game

[gilded otter]

If that's what they're doing then copy them, don't let them catch a moment to recover and build up gear, it's not their fault that you won't adapt their playstyle.

Games will be shorter as long as you can stop people from building up gear or getting emeralds too fast.

[gilded otter]

I made 2 proposals, one being the bare minimum.

#1367351445309096029 message

[gilded otter]

The game has already been ruined by turtle rushers which unfairly undermined their opponents, the game isn't just duels with eggs.

[vast vortex]

You are against rushing

[gilded otter]

I don't like the rushing playstyle but I respect it.

[humble jewel]

That is such a lie

That's the biggest lie you have ever said

Actually I'm just gonna stop arguing with you and then you'll stop

[warm fractal]

This thread is irrelevant

https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1369034685841412206

Move here