Please do something about fake Drag clickers

[buoyant plover]

Hello! Our current rules allow drag clicking. But most people especially more prone in eggwars community (encountering 1 or 2 every game) use auto right click or macro in the name of drag click. When they are punished, they just use the excuse of it being drag click and slip away from punishment and continue doing the same. It's really annoying to try pushing them into void, cuz it almost never happens as they build 10 to 20 blocks of extentions using the same auto. Ik removing drag click is a controversial idea. But what's the point if it supports 90% of cheaters ruining the fun of other people? It's not fair for other platforms people too.

[woeful pilot]

solution: ban drag and double clicking

its not controversial theyre just a vocal minority

[worthy wave]

Nah ban drag maybe but double click would be fine

[woeful pilot]

do you think its fair that certain mice can get multiple clicks from one click while others cant, and controller/mobile players cant even use mice

[worthy wave]

Um ,almost all mice can double click (even if its not consistent ), and there are a lot of people who get good cps with mobile (they can butterfly) and u can get upto 10cps with controller

[worthy wave]

Double click is esential for some people even though i dont like people spamming blocks with it and if i had to remove either drag or double click i would rather go with drag

[woeful pilot]

how is it essential

[woeful pilot]

the vast majority of mice have double click protection. the ones that dont have it intentionally dont have it (model o, bloody a60 etc) because you can manually set the debounce time

[stark glacier]

It is so usefull when you dont wanna it!

[worthy wave]

For pvp

[worthy wave]

I have a mouse which is around 6 usd if converted from inr to usd and i can double click with it there are other softwares which reduce debounce time

[swift lily]

Banning drag click would be unfair for people that actually depend on drag for pvp etc. I guess there must be some method to detect auto clicking from drag click (for example drag click has inconsistent cps, i.e, the cps goes from low to high and back to low before going high again, but auto click has consistent high cps when started)

[swift lily]

Also cps doesnt really matter most of the time in bedrock except for extensions or quick block placement in the case of drag click. Extensions need skill so I think it is definitely fair

[woeful pilot]

yeah no its not essential at all, if you need to double click for pvp thats a skill issue.

[woeful pilot]

if cps doesnt matter then why do you need to double click

[swift lily]

I mean in pvp mostly not...mobile players and controller players can also play well and defeat pc players is what I meant

[swift lily]

U dont necessarily

I drag click coz I get better click timing with that (obviously)

[woeful pilot]

also if you depend on drag clicking thats a skill issue

[woeful pilot]

we shouldnt increase the skill gap between mobile/controller and kbm. and kbm players shouldnt be able to buy a new mouse to make the game significantly easier

[worthy wave]

I think u dont know that this was a mattr that was sorted out months ago if not years

Exactly 2 years ago

[worthy wave]

There are people who can 2 cps combo easily , if u think that cps dont matter in pvp fight people with 2 cps and lets see how it goes

[worthy wave]

There are really budget friendly mouse which costs less than mc which can be used for double clicking

[woeful pilot]

i think you dont know that ive been arguing against this for 5 years

[woeful pilot]

mobile/controller players cant simply buy a mouse and they shouldnt have to

[worthy wave]

Which device do u use

[woeful pilot]

if you need to double click to get more cps thats a skill issue. instead get more cps by clicking faster

[woeful pilot]

irrelevant

[worthy wave]

I would rather double click than break my arm by jittering

[woeful pilot]

so you have a skill issue

[worthy wave]

If u take it like that i have a skill issue

[worthy wave]

Just tell

[woeful pilot]

the device i use is completely irrelevent to the argument

[worthy wave]

Its relevent to me

As it lets me know why u are fighting for this

[woeful pilot]

im fighting for this because this is whats fair, not because of my device

[worthy wave]

Why wouldnt it be fair for u if it doesnt even affect u

[woeful pilot]

how does it not affect me?

[worthy wave]

Then tell me how much cps that u would consider usable

[woeful pilot]

if you can legitimately click 20 cps then you can use it, but if its through double clicks thats not skill, its basically a macro

[worthy wave]

Sure

If double clicking wasnt legit why would all the servers support it

[woeful pilot]

cubecraft didnt always allow it

[worthy wave]

It does now

[woeful pilot]

and im not actually sure why they reallowed it after making it bannable

[worthy wave]

Why would a server allow features which are considered a cheat

[woeful pilot]

but i think it has to do with how mods dont want to handle reports

[woeful pilot]

pretty sure it had to do with reports

[swift lily]

No I can live without it, only I like it more than normal clicking

Dont judge when u dont know me fr

There is no need to get toxic

I was just expressing my opinion

[swift lily]

Bro arguing on the fact that people have skill issue wont help us get anywhere

[worthy wave]

Ya ,we said our opinion

[swift lily]

Exactly

[woeful pilot]

im not being toxic im just saying if you need to drag/double click then you have a skill issue

[worthy wave]

And we are saying what u said is toxic lmao

Anyway this thread was opened talking about autoclicker and cause of removing double/drag it wont remove auto clickers

As they can just say that they click really hard

[swift lily]

Exactly saying that sm1 has skill issue is basically judging a person without knowing them

[swift lily]

When u dont know me u or have never played against me then u have no right to say that I have skill issue

Anyways the point is if you really want to remove autoclickers from cubecraft then adopt better anticheats

That is the only solution

If anticheats can detect the pattern of clicking (clicking that gives a continuous high cps) then it can ban them

Anyways cubecraft sentinel bans people for no reason

That doesnt mean that cubecraft bans drag click entirely

[swift lily]

Also what u said in the start isnt true: there are quite a lot of people in cubecraft who drag click or double click though they might not form a majority

Thats my case closed here unless u argue further

[buoyant plover]

long drags also does this

[worthy wave]

Cc dont allow cps above 30 i heard

And dragging with tape on

[swift lily]

Yeah long drag will definitely give above 30 cps so thats definitely getting banned

[worthy wave]

Idk how that works

[buoyant plover]

U can long drag 25 cps consisitently

[buoyant plover]

Dragging with tape is cheating

[worthy wave]

Yup i think so but not 100percent sure

[buoyant plover]

it is

against cc rules

[worthy wave]

Ok

[woeful pilot]

if you need to drag or double click then its a skill issue

thats all i really need to know

[woeful pilot]

people defending drag and double clicking are a vocal minority, there is a very small percentage of players who use it

[swift lily]

My question is: how?

Not being able to drag click or double click is a skill issue - I understand that

But using drag click is skill issue?

Doesnt make any sense

[swift lily]

Yeah so even if I consider whatever ridiculous stuff you have said, "needing to drag click is skill issue", then how does it help us justify banning drag clickers?

Deviating from the topic is basically saying that you have no base to argue on

If thats the case then you dont need to come here and argue about stuff

[swift lily]

Yeah but some of the best players including famous cubecraft youtubers like LionHeart4D use drag clicking

It isnt really fair to supress minorities without any base

[swift lily]

Also one thing worth mentioning, some of the best players in cubecraft use drag clicking, and they definitely dont have skill issue without drag clicking either

Don't say something you really don't know about or don't use

If you cannot drag then shut up and stop being toxic fr

Thats all from me

[woeful pilot]

because you need to buy specific mice to get better at the game, aka a skill issue

[woeful pilot]

because its essentially a macro which is already not allowed +95% of people who claim to drag are actually just straight up using a macro

[woeful pilot]

that doesnt matter

[woeful pilot]

then they'll be perfectly fine without it

[woeful pilot]

trust me i know way more about this than you

[worthy wave]

Almost every mice can double click u dont need to buy expensive once

[woeful pilot]

thats just not true

[worthy wave]

And btw this thread wasnt put out to ban double click or dragg it talked about how people are abusing the dragg and double click as an excuse so rather than say ban drag and double find other ways to solve the on going problem of auto clickers

[woeful pilot]

the solution is to ban double amd drag clicking, aka all artificial ways of increasing your cps

makes it very easy to identify who is using a macro

+its not a new idea its been like that before

[worthy wave]

https://youtu.be/emvaCXD7Yng?si=YZ0ub7qKQ4BmFlJ7

[worthy wave]

Thats exactly what i said rather than thinking of banning dragg /double click find other solution u dumb or something

[woeful pilot]

the description: "download this and this" youre aware thats a macro right

[woeful pilot]

there is no other solution

because if there were you would have said something but you didnt

[worthy wave]

Sure whatever u say

[woeful pilot]

also youre acting like mobile players and controller players dont exist

[worthy wave]

Abd u are acting like kbm gameplay dont exist in mobile and xbox /ps

[woeful pilot]

do you think that xbox/ps players have kbm?

its even more expensive for mobile to use kbm

[worthy wave]

I have never seen an xbox or ps but my friend plays with a mouse and keyboard in a ps5

[worthy wave]

Sure whatever u say its not like u have to buy mc or anything

And it doesnt cost money

[woeful pilot]

are you trying to say that because you have to buy the game you should have to buy a mouse and keyboard aswell?

[worthy wave]

Why should i think about the solution to it ,it dont affect me

[worthy wave]

Iam saying that if they can afford mc they can afford kbm

Arguing to u is pointless and iam gonna stop replying

Dont ping me here again

[woeful pilot]

thats just not true at all

[worthy wave]

What did i say

[woeful pilot]

clearly youve never met anyone short on money

[woeful pilot]

i really dont care what you said

[woeful pilot]

bro gave up cuz his arguments suck 💀

[swift lily]

Yeah you say that you know about drag clicking and then you call it a skill issue

Ppl who cant drag click on all mice have a skill issue, that is one thing that many people dont understand

Drag clicking can be done on most mice with a tape

As long as it can register the cps

Anyways there is no point arguing whether drag clicking is a skill issue

All I want to say is that drag clicking shud be allowed for the sake of the people who like to do it or need to do it

[swift lily]

How are you sure about that?

You yourself said detecting macros is tough if drag clicking exists here and now you say that 95% people use macros instead of drag and you know it for sure?

Atleast stop saying stuff that is self-contradicting, then we will have more clarity on the matter

[woeful pilot]

i never said detecting macros is tough

[woeful pilot]

are you aware that using tape is banable

did you just admit to cheating 💀

[swift lily]

Nope I never used it till now

Sorry I didnt know that

But admitedly long dragging is kind of unfair when ppl play something like skywars

[woeful pilot]

what i probably said was that you likely wont get banned for using a macro specifically because you can appeal and claim drag clicking as a means of getting unbanned just to go right back to doing it

[swift lily]

Okay I guess if thats the case then cubecraft shudnt use that excuse

[woeful pilot]

essentially you cant just ban double or drag you have to ban both and right now they allow both so no one gets banned for macros

[woeful pilot]

also yes the number is made up but its clear theres significantly more macros than actual drag clickers so i made an estimate

[swift lily]

But yeah its annoying that people cant legit drag click just because of idiots who just need to get better at the game

[swift lily]

I guess they shud just put a cps limit of around 25, people cant use macros unfairly and drag clickers can still drag click with cps limiter on

It would also be easy for anticheat to detect above 25 cps and directly ban people

Then if drag clickers get banned just bcoz they didnt use cps limiters or did unecessary long drags, it is completely their fault and cubecraft shudnt lift the bans

[stark glacier]

omg should i get banned for double clicking because my mouse is a piece of trash?

YES!!!

[woeful pilot]

yes because theres so many ways to prevent it from double clicking

[woeful pilot]

there is currently (or so they claim) a cps limiter that only applies to left click set to an unknown value. when they polled us for what the limit should be the most common answer was 15 cps which would be fine but it needs to apply to right click or its pretty much pointless

[woeful pilot]

this used to be the rule, where you technically could drag click but if you were banned for it you wouldnt get unbanned

[stark glacier]

How?

My mouse can click every tenth time or double click

[woeful pilot]

look up "how to prevent double clicks"

[tight vigil]

Bec a big youtuber and some tryhards were begging to allow it

[tight vigil]

Device is not important for fairness. I am on pc and I want also to ban drag and doubles

I was very long on tablet and its pain to play on it in general and then comes a "drag" player and makes the game more hard and unenjoyable

I see it same as Coconut, if u need drag or doubles, it makes u look like u have less skills and need "help"

[swift lily]

Exactly I dont really understand that mindset

Its not like most people cant play without drag

Just that dragging is more fun and easy for me atleast

Plus you can always flex extensions to people

[tight vigil]

how many are for u really dragging? I would say 90-95 percent arent and this is what I tried to say

when they cheat, they have no skills. It is what it is

[stark glacier]

yeah they basically dont know how to combo spinning, they just spamming, and you still can nothing

[swift lily]

I mean I guess its true, depending on drag clicking is kinda a skill issue coz it is basically spamming

I dont depend on it, just do it coz its more fun tbh

[tight vigil]

Yes they spam and their spam is not done by them, they just hold buttons

[radiant lion]

People who depend on drag clicking and are bad without it just suck, if you have to rely on drag clicking and are nothing without it then get some real skill, the only way to get ONLY auto clickers banned is to improve sentinel, which would be very expensive, but if the mods spent the money to buy better AI then it could potentially be able to only ban auto clickers (aka people with constant high CPS)

Also most auto clickers are at least somewhat decent without it, macro/auto works just like a calculator, it's OP but only when you know how to use it

[toxic rampart]

Until you realize hit reg is really server sided and ping dependant

This server basically turned into zeqa

[woeful pilot]

the other guy quite literally called it "essential"

[swift lily]

Essential vs doing for fun is different, I just do it for fun and can do without it

[swift lily]

Agree, Ik some ppl who cant live without drag for pvp, but I can live without it and just use it for fun

[stark glacier]

oh wait wrong channel

[swift lily]

Could have deleted

[peak seal]

double clicking is a mouse hardware fault

so some ppl with faulty mice wouldnt be able to play

[woeful pilot]

90% of the players who double click are using mice they bought that allow you to change the debounce time to double click, you probably bought one too

for the other 10%, there are free open source programs made for eliminating double clicks

[buoyant plover]

my mouse double clicks on left button like once ever 20 normal clicks

but i think its my mouse getting old

[woeful pilot]

your double clicks will be unnoticable

[peak seal]

ye

but is universally allowed on both java and bedrock servers

and realistically even 2 cps can counter 30 cps

[woeful pilot]

im saying it shouldnt be allowed

[woeful pilot]

also if 2 cps can counter 30 cps then why do you need 30 cps

the dumbest argument double clickers always make is that cps doesnt matter

[peak seal]

I dont click 30 myself btw...

ask some good ppl

like Prixifye

he uses 1 cps

[woeful pilot]

your argument sucks im not going out of my way to ask someone else

[peak seal]

if u watch any good players pvp tutorial

like climbingkid's

you would know

[woeful pilot]

so you claim that you can play with 2 cps i agree with that which means theres no reason anyone needs to be getting 30 cps

no one can even get that legit they use double clicks

[buoyant plover]

i think the cps limit have been implemented alrdy

[woeful pilot]

not on right click

[buoyant plover]

I pretty much gave up hope on that