Reform The OG Regression // Make Eggwars Egg-cellent again!

[wicked umbra]

Some months ago I made some forum posts with my complaints about recent updates and suggestions on how to improve eggwars gameplay, I'm compelled to do that again after another update has practically removed my strategies from the game.

Eggwars would be better if:

• Match sizes were restored to 2020 levels {24-30}
• Maps were built big like Aztec and Swamp
• Generators are as abundant as on Palace and Ruins
• Elytras are back in the shop
• Punch bows are punch 2 and not underpowered punch 1
• Eggs are built inside of caves or buildings in new maps e.g. under cove in Beach, inside building on Palace
• Item limits and cooldowns are removed.

Why would these suggestions make eggwars better:

• Eggwars used to have 2 different queues for teams or duo/singleplayer, many of us enjoyed teams because that meant more opponents working together which we would have to overcome, duos/singleplayer often saw the majority of teams killing each other leaving too few opponents for us to win against, when compounded by modern generator strategies it feels like we grind for most of the game only for a disappointing confrontation.
• The maps have to be bigger for larger matches and more generators, people are realizing that upgrading as many generators as possible is the new strategy and this had lead to fierce races to either eliminate the opponents which know or steal emeralds from every generator. The players which have the best discounts will often camp where emeralds spawn and deny other players from getting them and if all the generators have been maxed out there's no other way to acquire emeralds but running around center.
• Elytras + leap feather are a new playstyle which succeeded bowspamming after the punch bow was nerfed, they're hard to buy but once discounts are maxed a player can save themself and grind until they're equipped enough to face swarms of opponents,
• As punch bows have been they are not practical against modern players who have either become bridging freaks or use bridging hacks to counter knockback attacks, punch bows need to be more powerful as they were prior to 2020.
• If you want to encourage more fortification then put eggs within walls that cannot be broken, players will fortify openings and opponents will be forced to mine through them to get behind unbreakable walls.
• Eggmites, fireballs, instant walls, and instant towers are not so overpowered to require cooldowns or limits, we hardly ever see instant walls and towers used because they can't help us in combat and they can be easily destroyed, eggmites and fireballs would be awesome to spam and instant walls would be more useful without a cooldown.

If you agree with me then upvote, if not then let's discuss.

[gilded summit]

tl;dr

[molten robin]

• the player count can’t currently support both team and solo. If you were to add larger team sizes with lesser teams it would be used to winfarm by large parties.
• “If there is no other way to gather emeralds from your island than you need to go to middle.” -what’s wrong with this. It induces players to get out of their island if they wish to have an advantage against other teams?
• Elytra + leap is a playstyle that succeeded bowspamming after punchbow was nerfed. Would you be able to explain this further as I don’t fully underderstand it. How did it succeed it when it became more difficult to hit someone off?
• Punich bows have to little punch. Solid suggestion if you think they don’t work if they don’t hit players from a bridge when hitting the bridger.
• how would it be better if eggs are placed in caves/buildings?
• Walls and towers aren’t supposed to be used in fights. You’re not playing Fortnite. They’re there too quickly build a base if needed. If eggmites don’t have a cooldown it would be so annoying. Mitemaster was already quite annoying and your suggestion is to make it possible to have it 10x worse.

@wicked umbra

[wicked umbra]

• When all the emeralds have been taken from every generator on the map players are forced to run around center, once players realize the advantage emeralds offer everyone will egg-rush each other and steal emeralds from other team islands and ruin any opportunity for late-game gameplay, I believe there should be more generators to upgrade to reduce this scenario.
• Elytra when timed with a leap feather allows players to fly even while falling into the void, this is a playstyle that succeeds bowspamming because bowspam used to be the main strategy for individual players to overcome teams and with punch bows being underpowered and easily countered in modern updates elytras were the only way for individuals to overcome teams.
• Eggs within caves/buildings would force opponents to get to them through openings in the map, these openings can be reinforced and opponents would be forced to mine through them, when the map narrows down the path of an infiltrator there is more opportunity and incentive to fortify and defend.
• As instant walls and towers are they are not useful in any case, they're easily destroyed and bypassed by egg-rushers and bridging and tnt among other things. Spamming eggmites is funny, they're easily killed by sweeping attacks and tnt but they were fun to troll with, I'd only be annoyed by eggmites if they were used to spawn-kill me and I couldn't do anything about them.

If I find some thing funny and that thing get's removed because it "annoys" players I consider that stripping fun away.

[wicked umbra]

Instant walls and towers would be useful if bowspam were as effective as it were in 2020.

Cubecraft devs could update eggwars so that bowspam is a practical early-game strategy and elytras are a practical late-game strategy, elytras were already a late-game strategy for requiring maxed discounts to replenish.

[molten robin]

• We'd want to avoid a scenario where games take a long a time. Enducing players to attack each other and destroy eggs is a good thing.
• I still don't get it, possibly 'underpowered' is not the correct wording? Do you mean that bows had become less useful because people would just use an eltra + leap?
• I agree that some maps with more closed off (but easily findable) spots would be nice for some maps and would elevate gameplay yea. You can't suggest this for all maps though as it's just not feasible for some.
• I don't see what advantage removing the cooldown for these items would give. When I'm fighting someone every hit counts. If I have 15 eggmites (which would only be 3 eggs) it would take me at least a couple of hits to kill them (especially on bedrock) or would cause me to run away making the game unnecessarily longer. You can still place a wall if someone is bowspamming you.

I'm not saying the timer shouldn't be removed to strip you from having fun, I believe stripping away the timer would be really annoying to fight against.

[wicked umbra]

• In that case rebalance the shops so that late-game items can be acquired faster, we want to continue enjoying our playstyles without the tedium of grinding discounts and tokens so if we can enjoy them sooner than later we can tolerate shorter games.
• Ever since Cubecraft updated to modern versions punch bows lost their punch, they don't knock players as far and not enough to stop them from clutching or using bridge-assist hacks.
• That's why I say add the concept in new maps, if the egg spots are hard to find then implement a preview sequence showing off egg locations like the pre-match map tour sequences in Mario Kart.
• There is no advantage to removing the cooldown, we spent 20+ minutes grinding for a stack of eggmites and we want to spawn them all at once to troll with.

[gilded summit]

just reset the entire game back to 2020

[pliant lotus]

Isn’t what they just did with the og update?

[gilded summit]

no

[pliant lotus]

lol rip

[gilded summit]

they combined some of it with trash from season 3

[wicked umbra]

• If elytras are too overpowered then implement a homing enchantment for bows bought at the center villagers, homing arrows are countered by obstacles but there aren't any when flying in the air.

Power bows may then have a practical use case since the flyers armor is halved without a chestplate.

Other players can pursue each other with elytras and power bows for a new dog-fighting playstyle.

For maps to better accomodate this playstyle they'd need to be bigger like those in 2020.

[wicked umbra]

Homing projectiles are fired towards an opponent and will fly to the opponent when within 16 or more blocks.

[gilded summit]

no thats horrible

[wicked umbra]

How?

Simple homing behavior would make close-range shooting with bows impractical since the arrow would fly straight to the nearest opponent, it wouldn't move around blocks.

The purpose of this feature would be to counter individual players that run with elytras too much.

A 16 block homing radius is a suggestion and could be reduced to 8 or less.

The homing enchantment could be coded in a way to trigger after a delay so that it won't work in close range combat at all.

[gilded summit]

most players already dont like bows

now imagine telling them there will be homing arrows

if you want more projectiles just do short range eggs or snowballs

[wicked umbra]

Then I need to be able to spam them.

[wicked umbra]

That's why I liked bows.

[wicked umbra]

First people hated bows, next they hated elytras, now they'll hate discounted discounts.

Unless you keep the game balanced for casuals the competitives will want playstyles to be removed until you can only win with competitive teammates to egg-rush and prevent individual players from competing.

[gilded summit]

have you tried getting better

[wicked umbra]

I have gotten better, I enjoy trolling and bowspamming and elytras enabled me to troll harder.

I don't want to play as much without those playstyles.

[wicked umbra]

I trapped a team in ancient debris and spawned 20 eggmite clusters on them while killing other opponents on their team.

I had a 2 hour stalemate with another opponent and we decided to build a fortress until the match was shut down.

[ancient remnant]

simply make up new strategies, mate. it's as simple as that. you cant just stick to one or a few strats, you gotta be creative. and thats what made OG OP eggwars so memorable.

[wicked umbra]

Make new strategies using what we've already been working with since 2020? Force us into egg-rushing by removing items that enabled new strategies?

Sure we have updated emeralds but that's not enough to counter competitive teams of egg-rushers as an individual.

We used to have punch bows for that but they lost their punch.

[ancient remnant]

that was the beauty of rushing with simple items. you needed to be creative with simple resources.

[ancient remnant]

i cant say for bows because i dont really use punch bows myself. that being said, i dont really care and i dont mind how they modify the bows, as long its not something extreme

and eggwars isnt intended to be an archery-heavy game where bows are your sword

[wicked umbra]

So it's wrong for bows to be one of my playstyles..

I want to enjoy the game, not be forced to play the correct way.

[ancient remnant]

im not saying nor implying it's wrong, when did i even say that? all im saying is that most people prefer to kill by sword

[wicked umbra]

Yeah and as I mentioned I prefer to troll.

[ancient remnant]

then learn how to troll with OG items and get used to it.

punch 1 should suffice honestly

[wicked umbra]

Regardless people agree with me that quality has been drastically reduced.

[ancient remnant]

quality of what, specifically?

[wicked umbra]

Gameplay, I wasn't the only one who enjoyed playstyles that were before this update.

[wicked umbra]

Reformation:

• Elytras are back in the shop
• Punch bows are back to punch 2
• Item limits are removed
• Item cooldowns for eggmites are removed
• item cooldowns for fireballs and instant-structures are significantly reduced

Tweaks/New Features:

• A new homing enchantment for bows from the emerald shop
• New maps with eggs enclosed by the map
• A pre-match sequence during the countdown to show where enclosed eggs are
• Shop rebalance to encourage faster matches with late-game items

Competition and fun need to be balanced for casuals and tryhards to coexist, when a minigame caters more to competitive players casuals are more likely to stop replenishing the playerbase surrounding it and when the competition hits a skill ceiling and stagnates it will eventually consume itself and the playerbase surrounding the minigame will diminish until a derivative spawns or until it dies out.

• The competitive players claim that casuals needs to be more creative yet the competitive players themselves have not innovated new strategies to counter bow-spam and elytras, these strategies enabled individual players to challenge competitive teams and could have been used against the individual.
• The competitive players are toxic because they have influenced developers to try and cater more to themselves and to destroy any opportunity for individual players to compete against them, they want the game to be played their way while disregarding how other players enjoy the game instead of learning from those other players and adapting. They are reducing the quality of gameplay so that they have the best advantage, they said themselves that they don't play to have fun but play to win and it seems they will reduce any opportunity for their opponents to challenge them by any means.
• These suggestions for reformation and enhancement are intended not just for casuals but also for competitive players, as Eggwars stands now there is not much if any room for innovation with the shop having the same but reduced items from season 2, there is not enough opportunity for innovation when the competitive players are reducing them for their benefit.

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[exotic saffron]

so basically i read half of this and what i understood is: the BBA guy is one of those camper-bow-spammer-annoying players and wants features that allowed them to annoy players more to be brought back/added

[wicked umbra]

Competitive players are annoying for ruining my fun in a rush to win.

It's not their fault for beating me but it's still anoying and I had to adapt to their haste.

[exotic saffron]

rushers arent even that common

most of the times i play my team is the only team that rushes

[wicked umbra]

Weren't, now Eggwars gameplay has restricted playstyles so that teams of egg rushers have the best advantage.

Most of my games I end up rushing a teams egg because they got to mid before me and I need to stop them from gearing up.

[exotic saffron]

i am talking about now

[wicked umbra]

Yeah, they're more common now.

[exotic saffron]

rushing to mid u mean

oh

well just like rush to mid faster if thats ur objective

true sigmas are fast

[molten robin]

He doesn't like people running to mid btw

[wicked umbra]

Yeah let me just turn on my auto-bridge or flyhacks so that I can be there 5 seconds after spawning in.

[molten robin]

They should be able to get everything from the island

Basically wants 30min+ games each time it seems

[wicked umbra]

Games don't have to be 30+ minutes if I can enjoy my playstyles sooner, if shops are rebalanced so we can all get late-game items after 1 trip to center.

That was the case in season 2 where the punch bow was my main weapon.

[molten robin]

You wanted the OP items to be cheaper and spam your bow from your island

You won't have quick games that way

[wicked umbra]

I don't care how long they are, I'm not playing to win but to have fun.

[molten robin]

Players bowspamming isn't fun

[wicked umbra]

It's quite funny actually.

[molten robin]

For the other players which would be the majority it isn't.

[wicked umbra]

I pinned one guy who desperately clung to a bridge until I used my second bow.

[molten robin]

So that guy was having fun?

[wicked umbra]

Yes.

[molten robin]

Highly doubt it

[wicked umbra]

Why should competitive players care about fun when they told me that they only play to win.

[molten robin]

no you tell you care about fun so how do you think the other players feel when they want a sword fight and they keep being shot off by a bow spammer?

[wicked umbra]

Setback, I get setback too.

[molten robin]

That isn't my question. Do you think they're having fun? Being shot off the map from one arrow after collecting items for 10 minutes+ potentially.

[wicked umbra]

Get an elytra and a leap feather to nullify bowspam.

You'll have more fun surprising newcomers who rely on bowspam

[molten robin]

I don't want to use the elytra and leap strategy. Your implementation limits me to a certain strategy now.

[wicked umbra]

Really, what strategy?

[molten robin]

Most people also don't know how to use an elytra + leap.

What should they do?

[wicked umbra]

You can still egg-rush as long as you kill everyone before they can compete against you.

[wicked umbra]

Pearl.

[molten robin]

So the only people affected by this, which again won't be having fun being shot off from a single arrow, are the 80% younger audience we have.

[wicked umbra]

And that younger audience has to compete with older more experienced competitive teams.

[molten robin]

I'd need a good few pearls against a bow spamme on certain maps.

[wicked umbra]

The skill to entry level is higher.

[wicked umbra]

Also just use auto-bridge.

Nobody can regulate that it seems

[molten robin]

So you want to just make a change that is to a disavantage to 80% of the player base...

[wicked umbra]

It's not a disadvantage.

They can learn, do you believe the playerbase is incapable of adapting?

[molten robin]

You seem to be considering you want your old stuff back

[wicked umbra]

That and I want to see new features which cater to newer players, like maps with enclosed eggs which are easier to fortify and defend.

A homing enchantment to counter elytras.

[molten robin]

It is, you suddenly ask them to use elytra + leap feathers and be able to fight with an enderpearl.

[wicked umbra]

Enderpearls are a known feature, leap feathers used to work but don't anymore.

[molten robin]

The issue I'm most talking about is the bow and your suggestion is a homing arrow

[molten robin]

This doesn't disprove my point

[wicked umbra]

I gave it some thought after people claimed it would be horrible for gameplay, it could be coded in a way to only work at long range within a radius of an opponent.

[wicked umbra]

You have no point.

[molten robin]

What would it even combat? It's not like you'll kill him with a few arrow?

It'd just be abused by campers shooting at mid

[wicked umbra]

A power 5 bow + homing is most useful for killing players flying with elytras, their protection is halved without a chestplate.

[molten robin]

If you have an elytra you'll have gapples or OP gapples which you can eat safely in the air

[wicked umbra]

Chase them with an elytra yourself.

[molten robin]

This isn't fly wars you're in the air for like a couple seconds tops

[wicked umbra]

Yes, we can only glide with feathers and don't have rockets, it's still eggwars but you can glide.

[molten robin]

Yea glide for a couple seconds so again, what are you combating here

[wicked umbra]

Individual players who are trying to survive and overcome a team of players.

Imagine 4 players shooting them at once.

[molten robin]

If I have a punch bow I can easily shoot off a whole team

[wicked umbra]

Not if they're using auto-bridge or happen to leap or enderpearl or clutch.

[molten robin]

Auto bridge isn't that fast

[wicked umbra]

Punch 1 doesn't knock people as far as the punch 2 bows from season 2.

Especially when netherite armor was in the game.

[molten robin]

Have you played the game? Who has leap or ender pearl on hand? How do I clutch from a punch 2 bow being spammed at me?

You're suggesting punch 2

[wicked umbra]

People who are playing individually expecting their team egg to be destroyed.

[molten robin]

Theres no netherite in your suggestion

[wicked umbra]

Netherite didn't have that big of an impact, a resistance to larger bursts of damage and more durability plus knockback resistance.

Same protection.

Before this update I almost never bought netherite armor because diamond armor was far cheaper and offered the same protection.

[molten robin]

Back in the day you'd just build to a noob team break their egg and bow spam people off. I'm gonna ask you again, is this fun for a 15y/o that isn't capable of using leap+elytra let alone has the time to purchase it.

[molten robin]

You brought it up

[wicked umbra]

Skill issue.

[molten robin]

Ok so again your suggestion would negativly impact most of our players. Will you say to these complaining players 'skill issue' and pay for all the potentially losses the negative impact gives? Why release an update when it is bad for most players?

[wicked umbra]

It encourages creativity, that's the argument of one competitive player trying to support the OG update which actually reduces creativity.

[molten robin]

It doesn't though

[wicked umbra]

Then what is creativity.

[molten robin]

I can run to mid, get dias, build to an island quickly purchase a bow and bow spam everyone off

How's that creative

[wicked umbra]

Competitive players want the game restricted so that their playstyle of egg-rushing is the most successful.

[wicked umbra]

Or I can gather a stack of eggmites, trap a competitive team in ancient debris and spawn all of my eggmites on them.

[molten robin]

You realise this helps competitive players right? Though it makes the game longer it'll also help them

[wicked umbra]

Yes.

I'm not advocating for the destruction of egg-rushing as a strategy, I want to have fun.

[molten robin]

Competitive players won't do that, as you said they'll want to win quickly. By doing what I said.

[wicked umbra]

What does Cubecraft want Eggwars to become? will it follow the same path that befell Super Smash Mobs or a path of creativity and fun?

[molten robin]

You want it to be the path where a new player joins and instantly dies w/o having a fair chance wym

Making the game not fun for new players is a way of killing a game

[wicked umbra]

How do I want that, it's more like that's what you want.

[wicked umbra]

Are those new players supposed to be the competitive teams with ranks and experience that have narrowed the most optimal strategies?

[molten robin]

A punch bow no cooldown would do that so you're suggesting it... wym

[wicked umbra]

If this is the argument of a QA staff member then it may be best to split Eggwars into 2 games and see which is more popular.

[molten robin]

? No those would be the ones that can combat your new suggestion by using leap+elytra you mentioned. I'm talking about the leather armor players who are still on the island when you arrive with a bow

[molten robin]

Find some more support since this isn't it

[wicked umbra]

How much support do I need? a portion of the playerbase agrees with me, do I need to make a revolution to have the Eggwars match lobbies crashed and shut down?

[molten robin]

6 players that only pressed a button not leaving a message isn't enough.

[wicked umbra]

I don't have better ways of getting attention to it as long as Cubecraft demands me to link my Minecraft account permanently to a forum account.

[molten robin]

What does this matter? If you don't use the mc account anymore you can still use your forums account

[wicked umbra]

Cubecraft forums are not worth 30$.

[molten robin]

You don't have mc?

[wicked umbra]

I have one account remaining after a scammer stole my other account and Microsoft refused to recover it despite me having overwhelming proof I owned it.

I made sure that scammer paid the price by shutting his operation down.

[molten robin]

Ok so it won't cost 30...

since you still have an account

[wicked umbra]

No.

[molten robin]

?

[wicked umbra]

Let me have a forum account for free without having to link any accounts.

[molten robin]

"I have one account remaining"

[wicked umbra]

If my forums account is punished and I cannot delete or hide any content related to the account then it's not worth associating my Minecraft accounts to it.

[molten robin]

If your account is punished the account is hidden from other players. Why would you assume your account would be punished?

[wicked umbra]

I've been abused by moderators on 3 different servers which all had their own forum websites.

[wicked umbra]

Probably because a friend of a moderator was angry at me and told them to get me punished as much as possible for any offense.

Several mutes ranging from 50-200 days accumulating to a total of 5 years unable to speak in-game, because I bypassed a filter or offended a snowflake.

[molten robin]

You do know as long as you don't post your gamertag you can make it invisible to normal players..

even then you can delete or edit it out later on..

[wicked umbra]

Not invisible to moderators

[molten robin]

wth are you scared of

[wicked umbra]

I won't know because I can't trust moderators not to harm my assets as much as possible.

[molten robin]

I'm going to stop arguing tbh. This is just some paranoia behaviour.

[wicked umbra]

OG eggwars is boring and more advantageous to competitive players, season 2 had some good features.

[molten robin]

Just as one last note for the people reading this but not the above: Adding punch 2 will allow players to bow spam whole teams off making it less advantaged to our normal player base. You’d also be able to glide over with an elytra if preferred. If you agree with the suggestion please add how you see this improving the player experience for the larger amount of our player base.

[wicked umbra]

• Punch 2 bows will enable individual players to overcome teams in the late game
• Elytras + leap feather can counter Punch 2 spam but is most susceptible to Power 5 Homing
• New players will discover these strategies and be enabled to compete against experienced players who are trying to remove strategies and encourage the immediate annihilation of teams including new players, for them to grind wins at the expense of everyones fun.

[ancient dirge]

punch 2 it's too much

before was fine against neth armor

but now

[wicked umbra]

I thought people might say that, netherite armor has its use as a late-game item to counter bowspam.

[ancient dirge]

netherite armor sucks

decrease the kb

and ppl js stacked

with notch

[wicked umbra]

It all seems to come down to golden apples been too cheap.

If golden apples are more expensive then taking damage is consequential, it would make surviving as an individual late-game harder.

[ancient dirge]

xd

the problem is the armor

[wicked umbra]

More gold would go to gapples instead of tnt.

[ancient dirge]

also

u were complaining abt bow

like

bow still being bow

[wicked umbra]

Punch 1 is not the same as the punch 2 I was familiar with.

[ancient dirge]

and if u dont enjoy the update maybe u should get some friends to play with

[ancient dirge]

things change
they changed the WHOLE gameplay 1 year ago and here we are

[wicked umbra]

Is it not Cubecrafts job to give us good entertainment? saying that is like telling me I should stop playing games because Mojang made controversial changes.

[ancient dirge]

u should adapt to the gameplay and not worry so much about ephemeral details

[wicked umbra]

Cubecraft QA seems to care more about competitive players than gameplay quality so I'm doing their job for them.

[ancient dirge]

eggwars its fun
obviously if u play it every day for like 3h it will be boring

[wicked umbra]

I played it for 6 hours and it was fun, after the update I'm bored after 30 minutes of match cycling and getting rushed by tryhards.

[ancient dirge]

then ur js bad man

that was how eggwars was

a bit of skill

[wicked umbra]

I've beaten them I just don't enjoy the gameplay.

[ancient dirge]

thats all

[ancient dirge]

isnt cubecraft fault

[ancient dirge]

the same situation last year but with "campers"

they killed competitive

player base died for like 1 week

500players max

per day

now its over 1k half the time

[wicked umbra]

"campers" and tryhards will always be arguing against each other but when it becomes unbalanced and favors one side the other will slip away.

[ancient dirge]

and grinders r back

[ancient dirge]

this is not the case sadly

u can camp with this update

i did for like 1h

a duos game

js for fun

[wicked umbra]

I see 50-120 players daily, not 1000+.

[ancient dirge]

r u java

cuz bedrock it does

java died so it doesnt matter :v

[gilded summit]

java cubecraft should be shut down

[wicked umbra]

We should just migrate to Cosmic Reach.

[exotic saffron]

this genuinely made me laugh, nice work

[exotic saffron]

sounds like a roast. not bad.

[exotic saffron]

xavi's argument is perfectly fine. theres nothing wrong with it; hes literally in the right here. implementing what you suggested would be negative for 80% of the playerbase, like xavi said, which would literally ahve a negative impact on cubecraft. why would cc add something that has a negative impact on their server?

[wicked umbra]

80% of the playerbase which remains after the latest major updates, many have left and will continue to leave.

[exotic saffron]

idk what u got backing ur claims up rn

do you have any sort of graphs which show eggwars is declining?

[wicked umbra]

The update from 1.8 to 1.20 for example.

[exotic saffron]

thats literally a different update

im asking about this update

do you have anything to back your claims of eggwars' decline?

[wicked umbra]

Making graphs to prove a point for a Minecraft server is absurd.

[exotic saffron]

making claims without anything to back them is absurd.

[wicked umbra]

I have people who agree with me and we all have noticed that playercounts are lower than before the update.

[exotic saffron]

who are these 'people'?

[wicked umbra]

It's past the holidays and still they are low.

[wicked umbra]

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[exotic saffron]

thats just two people

a lot of people are also against you

besides, they only said that they dont enjoy short games. they never said anything about noticing playercounts decreasing

[ancient remnant]

we the sweats simply respect the game so much that we dont resort to trolling in the game. its basically an unwritten rule, its disrespectful to the players and the game, and is a waste of time for us and all the other players in the game if we ever troll.

just my risky two cents, but think about it.

[exotic saffron]

Honorable player 🔥

[wicked umbra]

And we would respect your playstyles if you weren't undermining ours.

[twin talon]

I have over 80k+ wins and i have fun 🤫🤫

[wicked umbra]

Sure but my opponents didn't share the same opinion.

There were more than 3 instances where my opponents expressed their displeasure at my overcoming and where they simply quit out of spite.

[compact moss]

This forum is almost entirely biased, everyone makes good points but argues against people who oppose their playstyle

Surely there are some things that everyone can agree on?

Unbiased Opinion

1. If elytras were brought back and made cheaper, then homing arrows would be a good solution, but they would have to be hard to get, not overpowered and would need a decent cooldown, obviously elytras aren't in the game right now but homing arrows would be a good idea in case it returns, casual players and people who aren't great with a bow could use this as a handicap in order to even the playing field a little more

2. There are so many players that have autocclickers or drag click nowadays that it is sometimes impossible to kill really good players for someone who is playing the game casually for fun, a bow with more knock back could solve this issue, BUT that would make bow spamming more OP, sooooo, if the bow is not almost charged or fully charged then the affects of punch will either decrease in decrements or just lose the effects of extra knock back entirely

3. Cubecraft's skill gap is growing ever larger, nerfing all of these play styles like rushing and bow-spamming is not the way to solve this, the re coming of OG eggwars nerfed some of these play styles by taking some items like elytras out of the shop, this basically ruins all of the fun for people who like using elytras, and it doesn't make the game more fun for people who don't use elytras and just to be clear I am not a elytra or bow fanatic or a casual player, just a person who plays the game for fun and wants it to be fun for everyone, not just the good players or bow-spammers or rushers

[wicked umbra]

Bowspam is countered by blockspam and particularly by instant structures like walls and towers.

Punch bows as they remain are not strong enough for players to even consider instant structures, they're slow to cooldown, take up space, and as you mention most people have auto-clickers or drag-clicking strips.

Bowspam was an early-game strategy while it was strong enough to knock players off bridges easily.

I remember bowspamming to break up crowds that were chasing me, they can't do that anymore.

It's from that time that I learned to block-spam, elytras enabled me to bridge-fight with peace of mind and I got better at it.

[compact moss]

At that point it's redundant, having to buy walls and towers just to stop people spamming you defeats the whole point, also you have to play on kbm in order to block spam, there is no way one could pull it off on controller

Unless you had mouse click trickers (which defeats the whole purpose)

[compact moss]

Again, personal bias, your opinion is of value to no one but yourself and other people that have a similar playstyle and have similar experiences

[wicked umbra]

The point of bowspam was to break-up crowds and an early-game defense against rushers, instant structures are under-utilized because they are easily negated by rushers, the majority of the time the teams are surviving rather than defending their eggs.

[compact moss]

Yeah but most people who bow spam abuse it, and simply just use it to get easy kills

[wicked umbra]

When does a playstyle become abuse?

Juke them out, have the items and jukes to counter them.

I tolerated bowspam "abuse" against myself and I overcame that, I faced teams of 6 which bowspammed me on a bridge as I ran for survival, I was thrilled to overcome odds like that single handedly.

[wicked umbra]

That's like when the players on Mineplex persecuted me with cheating and cross-teaming and moderation abuse in their Super Smash Mobs minigame because they believed that my kit, my playstyle, was abusive.

This time it's not me and very few but me and a lot more players being persecuted in a more surreptitious manner, undermining our joy by the developers.

[wicked umbra]

Unlike back then if I try to face off against rushers who've eliminated the rest of the match except for me who's surviving in leather or iron I'm going to have to get up-close, that means taking damage and being exponentially more prone to being void-killed having no time to sit still and buy items while other opponents continue to gear up acquiring bows to spam me with.

The best I can do is sky-base and bridge in patterns that block their line of fire, they'll bridge up to me and knock me off with melee or bows, I won't be able to afford any pearls or leap feathers and so I'll inevitibly be pushed into the void.

Rushers have an unfair advantage and are exploiting it.

[compact moss]

See how everything you said is in first person, you keep telling stories about your experiences, making you biased in this regard since the topic is on bows and you are a bow-camper/spammer, your opinion is correct in some regard but I'm speaking in the pov of the casual players, trying to make the game as fair and still fun as possible

You have to look into the perspective of the person you are bow-spamming, they are gonna be really pissed and they are going to think it's unfair

The reason why rushers have an advantage is because of the OG update, since it nerfed lots of other play styles AND it made the tools and armor worse, bc of this rushing and void-spamming people is easier than it used to be

[exotic saffron]

ur a sigma

[ancient dirge]

the advantage its bcz "rushers" r OG and know how to play with those items and mechanics

idk if u talking abt java r bedrock

(i mean bedrock)

[wicked umbra]

Of course they're going to feel that way, I shared similar feelings when I found myself in their position but I adapted instead of quitting.

I enjoyed it and I tolerated it, they should've done the same.

[wicked umbra]

Casual players should be defending but they aren't incentivised to do so, defenses are easily bypassed without the map partially enclosing the egg and with certain defense items being very impractical as they are now.

[wicked umbra]

So you want third-person? here:

Opponents team is six and their egg is broken, one survivor remains and has been targeted for 10 minutes straight, opponent sees an opportunity to troll survivor with eggmites and tnt and so gathers them. Survivor moves towards a bridge to escape the chase and the other 5 team mates are ready to shoot them off, the survivor narrowly dodges and weaves between arrows, some of them strike but the survivor maintains balance all the way across, the team deploys enderpearls and some cross the bridge. While the survivor is swarmed the sixth opponent comes to spam tnt and eggmites which end up launching the survivor into the air, the survivor deploys an enderpearl which hits across the bridge again.

Opponents team is frustrated and plots to trap the survivor in ancient debris, they stop chasing for the moment and gather tokens for ancient debris, survivor disrupts them with tnt spam and eggmites while having elytra to flee with, they fight until both sets of armor are too low killing one opponent. An overwhelming quantity of ancient debris is gathered and the survivor is cornered in a part of the map, 2 opponents spam ancient debris enclosing the survivor while 3 distract them, after a long struggle the survivor kills another opponent but dies in the end.

The opponent is frustrated that the survivor crossed bridges without getting knocked off
that the opponent was hard to pin down
and that the opponent was enjoying their time by trolling.

If that story were flipped where I was an opponent in a team against such survivor I would adopt their playstyle to use it against them.

We see a similar plot playing out after the OG update where everyone rushes each other and targets survivors, the gameplay has been narrowed significantly and there's no time for enjoyment, if you aren't an experienced player with an experienced team or a cheater then you're going to lose, if we want to troll then instead of doing it with items now it's purely by prolonging the game to ruin their fun.

[wicked umbra]

Many of us don't have friends or any dependable teammates to harmonize with, we play as individuals and forsake the team of strangers which will get steamrolled to survive and gear up against the last remaining opponents.

[compact moss]

Yeah I am a rusher and I'm OG, my reason and yours are both valid,

[compact moss]

Then get some

[compact moss]

You decided to write a whole story and even though it's in third person it's so specific it can't be deemed credible

Like opponents team is 6, I get it's just an example but adding more complexity takes away from your explanation, there is beauty in simplicity

[wicked umbra]

So then there were 4 opponents, 20, the survivor had a group of players to overcome.

[twin talon]

if u can’t win a 1v4, just say that 🤫🧏

[twin talon]

I actually think people would rather lose a 30 second game than a 30 minute game

[compact moss]

Bro wrote a story longer than moby duck

[compact moss]

Well obv

[twin talon]

so why are we arguing about people rushing??

it makes the game more competitive, rather than just sitting on a generator untill you’ve filled up your entire inventory with overpowered gear

[wicked umbra]

*Rigged, not more competitive.

[compact moss]

Yeah that's exactly what I do

[compact moss]

How is that rigged

You made a whole forum just to say a bunch of b.s

[wicked umbra]

There's a language barrier when trying to connect with many of the players on Cubecraft and my friends are too busy surviving financial hardship or have moved on.

[compact moss]

But we're talking about rushing

Not language barriers

[wicked umbra]

How are solo players supposed to overcome teams of rushers.

[compact moss]

That's just a skill issue, in solo the only viable option is to rush

Unless you get lucky and get 10 diamonds and you are able to camp

[wicked umbra]

So is your argument that playstyles are abusive.

[compact moss]

But rushing is not unfair like bow-spamming

If you are fast with the shop then you will have much better gear than the person who is rushing you

[wicked umbra]

As long as rushers aren't targetting me for 20 minutes continuously.

They rush eggs and target survivors.

[compact moss]

Well why do they target you then

[wicked umbra]

They seem to know that if they don't kill such players sooner they'll become tedious to overcome.

[compact moss]

Just take off cosmetics when running solos

[wicked umbra]

What do cosmetics have to do with gameplay?

[compact moss]

Bc ppl with cosmetics are targeted first

Since they are usually better

[wicked umbra]

I'm not using cosmetics and they'll still target me.

[compact moss]

Do they know you?

[wicked umbra]

Probably, some players have openly sworn to target me on sight before and have held their promise.

[compact moss]

Then that's your issue

Ppl dont get targeted as long as they are not good or have an annoying playstyle

[wicked umbra]

I wouldn't care if I could continue with my previous playstyles but they undermined them.

[compact moss]

Fair

[compact moss]

Maybe you should try rushing

[wicked umbra]

I have and it's boring.

Rushing is the new meta and it's bland.

[compact moss]

It's the exact opposite

[compact moss]

Camping and getting bows is tedious

Sitting on gens half the game

And you are saying rushing is bland?

[wicked umbra]

I only get power bows in normal difficulty, unless punch bows have their punch restored to level 2 I likely won't use them again.

[compact moss]

Power 3 is better unless they have dragclick

[wicked umbra]

There used to be more strategy to the game and that's been significantly reduced with additional cooldowns and limitations.

Games are much faster and I enjoyed longer games.

It's comparable to bedwars.

[compact moss]

But that's opinion

No one will listen to you if you only express your opinion

[wicked umbra]

Like a mentioned earlier in this forum if late-game items used by survivors could be obtained sooner then we might not mind the short games, make the emeralds spawn faster too because they play a critical role in getting those items.

[compact moss]

Especially if most people disagree with it

[compact moss]

Finally something sensical

But it would only be viable for smaller lobbies

[wicked umbra]

What's stopping large matches from benefiting from that rebalance?

[compact moss]

Because half the time the games take forever

Adding that rebalance would shorten the game too much

Usually when you play mega you are going to get those items either way, even if it's not a super long game

[wicked umbra]

Mega doesn't exist anymore.

Mega was downgraded to mediocre after the version update.

[compact moss]

I haven't played mega in a while

So I wouldn't know

[exotic saffron]

bro like

what

[obtuse leaf]

well you playing against rushers and losing because of them is just skill issue

but i agree that the cooldowns and eggs out of an structure are just stupid updates

[wicked umbra]

My modern playstyles lose to rushers more often after the update, adapting to the narrow playstyles of the update has me winning more but at the expense of quality, the games are repetitive and boring.

[wicked umbra]

• Crossbows with multishot and quick-charge 5 are added to the shop reviving bowspamming as a defense strategy.

• Damage rockets are added as an item doubling as ammunition to crossbows. {rocket with 5-7 stars}

[compact moss]

But people will just abuse them

[compact moss]

But yeah the games are really repetitive

[wicked umbra]

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[compact moss]

What is that supposed to say

[wicked umbra]

CTRL & + OR -

[compact moss]

And why

[wicked umbra]

increase or decrease discord scale

[compact moss]

Quick charge 5 doesn't exist

It's only up to 3

[wicked umbra]

It's acquired by commands and is the fastest functional level of the enchantment.

[compact moss]

I think quick charge 2 is enough

Otherwise it'd be annoying af

[wicked umbra]

It needs to charge much faster than a bow.

[wicked umbra]

thats just an opinion

[compact moss]

No it's a fact for the person getting shot at

[wicked umbra]

i'm not annoyed, you're biased

[compact moss]

And adding crossbows is an opinion

[compact moss]

THE PERSON GETTING SPAMMED WOULD BE ANNOYED, NOT YOU

[wicked umbra]

I wouldn't mind being the subject of crossbow spam.

Just deal with it

[wicked umbra]

WHEN DOES A PLAYSTYLE BECOME ABUSE?

[compact moss]

You are being toxic for what? No one else besides me even considers your opinion let alone is polite when you say things that are crazy

[compact moss]

When it's unfair for other people

[wicked umbra]

Logically it's unfair for tryhards to have control over developers to undermine their competitors.

[compact moss]

Like if someone rushed you you can react, bow-spamming either voids you or stops you from moving

[wicked umbra]

BLOCKSPAMMING

[compact moss]

Key word SPAM

[wicked umbra]

You have leap feathers and enderpearls too

[compact moss]

Who uses leap feathers? They suck

[wicked umbra]

I used them all the time

They're a good alternative to pearls when you play right

[compact moss]

Enderpearls are like half a stack of diamonds

[wicked umbra]

Make them cheaper i guess

[compact moss]

99% of players have never purchased a leap feather

[wicked umbra]

Their fault for being too incompetent to read a GUI

[compact moss]

The current update sucks for your playstyle but your suggestions make the game less fun for the common player

The common player is more important

[wicked umbra]

My suggestions aren't self serving.

[compact moss]

Cubecraft will never fix your playstyle if it ruins the game for other players

[compact moss]

I haven't seen a single other person besides you rely on bow-spamming

[wicked umbra]

Cubecraft won't see a recovery if toxic players have power over developers to undermine common players.

[compact moss]

Exactly

[wicked umbra]

You're a hypocrite

[compact moss]

That's what you are doing

This whole forum you made was for the purpose of making eggwars better, the only people who could do that are the people with control over the game, and your suggestions would ruin the fun for the common player

[wicked umbra]

How exactly? does the common player join a match only to win or to enjoy the match?

Does the common player grind wins like a full-time job for a position on a worthless leaderboard?

[compact moss]

To enjoy the match

That's why you play servers, it's fun

[wicked umbra]

These suggestions aim to improve the quality of the gameplay for greater enjoyment.

You suggest that they are self serving only

[compact moss]

For who? Yourself?

Bc they are

You are of a small minority

The common players are a large majority

[wicked umbra]

Not when the server shuts down

[compact moss]

Well duh no one can play

[compact moss]

Your points don't have anything to do with gameplay issues

They are all on the items and item shop

[wicked umbra]

I'm part of that large minority, i just happen to be persecuted by toxic players for threatening the potency of their playstyles.

[compact moss]

Then you are a minority

[compact moss]

Clearly you are too vocal, if you would be more quiet people wouldn't target you and speak out against you

[wicked umbra]

Unlike the majority I speak up, I devise playstyles and share ideas and for that I'm persecuted

[compact moss]

Exactly

Speaking up is hurting your reputation

Regardless if you are right or wrong

[wicked umbra]

So what should I do when I see the last server besides Hypixel shooting itself in the foot and being overtaken with corruption?

[compact moss]

It's not to bad

[wicked umbra]

Hypixel needs to be overthrown

[compact moss]

You are being overdramatic

This is cubecraft not hypixel

[wicked umbra]

Did I suggest Cubecraft was like Hypixel? Players seem to want a more Hypixel-like experience in eggwars.

[compact moss]

You should simply support the petition to lower CPS limit

That would help you

And the common players

[wicked umbra]

Further reducing playstyles by limiting block-placing speeds.

[compact moss]

You have instant towers and walls tho

[wicked umbra]

They don't deploy fast enough

[compact moss]

It makes the game more fair

[wicked umbra]

Their cooldowns are ridiculous and they're limited.

[compact moss]

That's just a skill issue

[compact moss]

We are talking about drag clicking here

Not clicking fast

Getting rid of drag makes the game more fair and weeds out all the macro and autocclickers

[wicked umbra]

So if developers removed armor and made weapons 2-shot and block/tower placement was limited to 1 per second it would merely be a skill issue when rushers and bots filled lobbies to farm wins.

There is an apparent quality issue that I'm trying to help you understand.

[compact moss]

That is too ridiculous to respond to

You changed every constant in eggwars

[wicked umbra]

Your notion that i merely have a skill issue when i've said numerous times that ive adapted and that its a quality issue is ridiculous

[compact moss]

You can't just rewrite math

[compact moss]

If you've adapted then why are you complaining?

[wicked umbra]

ITS BORING

repetitive

samey

I can get this same slop from Hypixel

[compact moss]

Finally you are speaking facts instead of opinion

But adding all these things back is useless when they cost tons of diamonds

[wicked umbra]

And like i suggested a shop rebalance could fix that

[compact moss]

Most matches won't even get far enough before they end and diamond gens are not relevant

[compact moss]

Good luck convincing others

I've tried so dam hard

Always argue over shop prices

[wicked umbra]

Eggwars was a long-game in the beginning.

Matches of 24-40

[gilded summit]

this is pretty stupid at this point ngl

[ancient dirge]

wt 💀

tbh ur suggestions sucks sm

im not hating it

[compact moss]

^^ yh u have the right idea but your solutions to the problems only create more problems

[wicked umbra]

When does a playstyle become abuse?

My suggestions shouldn't cause problems unless you presume they're all exploitative.

[compact moss]

Bro actually stop talking

You always say that

Even I, the one person who actually listened to you thinks you're mad now

[wicked umbra]

Tryhards are mad that individuals could beat them so they undermined their strategies.

[wicked umbra]

11 people have upvoted these suggestions so you aren't the only one who agrees.

[compact moss]

Can your brain not comprehend anything when someone says something to you?

[wicked umbra]

I understand exactly what you're trying to push, you're being toxic.

You're trying to make tryhards sound reasonable and agreeable but right now they aren't.

[compact moss]

No I'm not in I'm tired of you pinging to complain

[compact moss]

I never said anything about tryhards

Not once

[compact moss]

I want the cps limit lowered, those things contradict each other

[wicked umbra]

You promote opinions that they share and cast down suggestions for quality.

[compact moss]

That doesn't even make sense

[wicked umbra]

+3 in another thread relating to this one.

14 players is enough for an eggwars match.

[compact moss]

They agree that eggwars needs to be better

They don't read what you actually have to say, much less care

[wicked umbra]

Some of them have commented which proves they've read.

[compact moss]

Like once bro

[compact moss]

And no it doesn't

They only had to read the message they were replying to

[wicked umbra]

What's your problem with people supporting me, do you wish to silence genuine thought-out suggestions that come from a casual player?

[compact moss]

You are trying to switch sides lol

[compact moss]

You are not a casual player

You are a bowspammer

[wicked umbra]

Not since the bows lost knockback.

[compact moss]

A person who uses all the weird items no one else uses

[compact moss]

Then why do you advocate for the players against you?

[wicked umbra]

Casuals use deployables too.

[compact moss]

No they don't 😂

That defies the definition of casual

[wicked umbra]

As if my eyes deceive me.

[compact moss]

Well they clearly do

[wicked umbra]

You're insane.

[compact moss]

I don't see nons using leap feathers

[compact moss]

Your insane!!! 😂

Your switching sides lmao

[wicked umbra]

I was advocating against tryhards since the beginning, I may play like tryhards but I don't take it seriously like they do, I still play casually.

[compact moss]

Then why does everyone hate playing against you if you are a casual?

[wicked umbra]

Because I win

They said themselves that they played only to win

So naturally they're frustrated when I make them lose.

[compact moss]

If you were a casual you wouldn't be on discord complaining every day

Casuals play for fun

You clearly don't

[wicked umbra]

If Mineplex hadn't died I would be playing there instead, I refuse to play on Hypixel.

[compact moss]

Hypixel is not relevant

You always change the topic when you are wrong

[wicked umbra]

Cubecraft is the last minigame server I can play and the last realistic opponent against Hypixel.

[compact moss]

NO ONE CARES ABOUT HYPIXEL

STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT AND SAY SOMETHING RELEVANT

THIS IS CUBECRAFT NOT HYPIXEL

CLEARLY YOUR EYES DECIEVE YOU

[wicked umbra]

If Cubecraft keeps shooting itself in the foot refusing to listen to advice from its playerbase then it will shut down and leave me stranded with a mortal enemy I've longed to see utterly destroyed.

[compact moss]

Then why do you play CubeCraft if you don't like it

[wicked umbra]

I have no choice.

[compact moss]

Go touch grass and do something more worth your time if it's not fun for you

[wicked umbra]

That's not relevant.

[compact moss]

Yeah it is

You said you are casual

Casuals play for fun

You are complaining that it's not fun

Therefore it is relevant

[wicked umbra]

And my daily routine has nothing to do with this.

[compact moss]

Then just don't play Minecraft if it's not fun

[wicked umbra]

I have no choice.

[compact moss]

So you have to play Minecraft or you will 🎲?

[wicked umbra]

I could waste my days away but my being is not content with that.

[compact moss]

You are wasting your days away right now

It's not like cubecraft is about to see your complaints and do something

[wicked umbra]

You are wasting my time.

[compact moss]

No

You are wasting your own time

[wicked umbra]

Ranked Eggwars would be a band-aid solution to a fundamental issue with the game which is that toxic tryhards have gained the sympathy of developers to reform and nerf at the expense of the game and its playerbase

[wicked umbra]

Progressive Reformation:

• Elytras are back in the shop
• Punch bows are back to punch 2
• Item limits are removed
• Item cooldowns for eggmites are removed
• item cooldowns for fireballs and instant-structures are significantly reduced

Tweaks/New Features:

• A new homing enchantment for bows from the emerald shop
• New maps with eggs enclosed by the map
• A pre-match sequence during the countdown to show where enclosed eggs are
• Major shop rebalance to make perks and gear obtainable much sooner.
  Amendment:
• Crossbows with multishot and quick-charge 5 are added to the shop reviving bowspamming as a defense strategy.
• Damage rockets are added as an item doubling as ammunition to crossbows. {rocket with 5-7 stars}

[compact moss]

All of those are somewhat decent besides egg mite cooldown removal

Egg mites are stupid broken and egg master is purchased with emeralds, the best players usually have the most emeralds so they would be getting buffed even more

Egg mite egg is whatever tho, cooldown or not

The best solution is to just bring back the previous season and have it as option between og

Because in reality, the least amount of people will be upset if they make og and normal eggwars two separate game modes

[sterile citrus]

this thread is proof java players want to play the game without playing the game

[compact moss]

Who said anything about Java?

Everyone on this thread is bedrock (besides him)

[gilded summit]

the guy youve been arguing with plays java

[compact moss]

I think he plays both

Otherwise I don't know what on earth he is doing

[gilded summit]

he only plays java

[compact moss]

Welp

[gilded summit]

he didnt mention it because he doesnt know how unpopular the java server is

[compact moss]

I see

[compact moss]

See that answers a lot of my questions but creates even more

[sterile citrus]

Thats what i mean

The guy who made the thread

[compact moss]

Yeah ik my b

[wicked umbra]

Bedrock can also be played on PC, not everyone is stuck with mobile controls.

[gilded summit]

buddy that aint even related to what i said

[wicked umbra]

Some people argued that my suggestions were hostile against Bedrock controls

[gilded summit]

was it me

[wicked umbra]

Probably

[gilded summit]

it wasnt so why do you think id care

[wicked umbra]

Because the OG update has destroyed eggwars

[wicked umbra]

You could help devise suggestions for better gameplay.

[gilded summit]

yeah they should completely revert eggwars to what it was in early 2021

[sterile citrus]

this guy just inventing a position to have a bad take about ?

lmao

[compact moss]

Pretty much

[wicked umbra]

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[dull zodiac]

Is it possible to have like a ranked competitive egg wars gamemode?

I think that would be a pretty good system to be implemented to give inexperienced players a chance at the game

Maybe even platform-only matches if players would prefer that

[exotic saffron]

a lot of people have suggested that, and honestly it isnt a reaally bad suggestion, but unfortunately cubecraft doesnt have enough players for that

the queue time woulkd be too long

[gilded summit]

they also dont have enough skill deviation for that

[exotic saffron]

why ping off 😡 😡

[dull zodiac]

That is so real

Thanks for letting me know

[half marten]

Sooo Ur annoying, all of those things like bows and elytras just make the game less fun in my eyes…..

[wicked umbra]

Not everyone is going to play this way and I'm often targeted for it.

[wicked umbra]

I don't always choose or get to play this way but it's better than being restricted to dull repetitive playstyles.

[dull zodiac]

I have different playstyles

Just play like that lol

[sterile citrus]

anything to avoid pvp ig

[exotic saffron]

😭

[trail heron]

As far as I know that's banneable.

[trail heron]

This sentence is lit.

[trail heron]

Most maps aren't even made to rush. It is the best way to win but most maps aren't optimal for that. It's literally your skill issue.

[trail heron]

Hilarious at best.

[wicked umbra]

It's my fault that I adapted to the rushing strategy and that the rushing strategy is repetitive?

[trail heron]

It's your skill issue that you're crying just for the plot tbh, if you can deal with them then just do it, if you don't like it then there's plenty of other servers where you can play.

[wicked umbra]

I haven't been able to find them for 6 years.

Where can I find a server that effectively replaces Cubecraft by hosting the same content?

[tough trail]

Damn i rmb u

You bullied me with mivke and sizerious

I think bringing old maps is a good Idea

[wicked umbra]

Reform The OG Regression // Make Eggwars Egg-cellent again!

[wicked umbra]

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[frozen apex]

w

[sterile citrus]

most people dont even use these items

[wicked umbra]

So it's my fault that they didn't use them?

[gilded summit]

yeah

clearly you didnt convince them those were good items

[wicked umbra]

I believed that they would figure them out and adapt, I didn't want to give them that insight sooner because that would make matches harder for me to win.

[wicked umbra]

If they would've had more time and observed my playstyles they would copy it and master it themselves but instead in their frustrated stupor they told developers to undermine them and make them impossible so that their own pre-existing playstyles wouldn't be hindered.

Since there's no real way to meaningfully retaliate in-game we have to adapt to their unfair influence over developers to retaliate.

[gilded summit]

have you seen what the emerald shop used to look like

[wicked umbra]

Yes it was uninspired and repetitive.

I like the new perks based emerald shop.

[wicked umbra]

Why's that relevant?

[gilded summit]

it was a shop full of dumb items that most players didnt even know existed let alone used

which seems like the kind of items youd have used in your playstyle

[wicked umbra]

They were overpowered but they only complimented existing playstyles instead of promoting new ones.

My main playstyle during that season was bowspam and sniping, shooting fast and really far, bridge fighting and skybasing, I fought alone and rarely had time to collect emeralds for the emerald tier items.

[gilded summit]

you didnt get emeralds cuz those items sucked

[wicked umbra]

Elytras were expensive but with the emerald shop rework implementing perks like discounted discounts and emerald yolk I could max out discounts and buy multiple elytras.

With double center emeralds I could keep farming emeralds to keep the generators on one island disabled indefinitely.

[gilded summit]

elytras were totally useless

[wicked umbra]

I feel I was among the first players to exploit generators for emeralds so that nobody else could get emeralds easily without breaking eggs or idleing at center, I noticed that more players caught on to the advantages of discounted discounts as matches became extremely emerald competitive with players maxxing out generators as soon as possible.

[wicked umbra]

Elytra + leap feather = fly out of void, if you got the order wrong and didn't time them right you'd die.

Alternatively Elytra + tnt = launch.

[wicked umbra]

Obviously they weren't when salty win-grinders kept complaining about not being able to kill survivors using them.

It's their fault for not copying survivors to chase them.

[gilded summit]

no one was complaining about elytras

[gilded summit]

theres 2 better methods:

• dont fall
• use an ep

[wicked umbra]

They were complaining that matches were taking too long which ultimately was because they couldn't kill survivors that out-maneuvered them.

There's one survivor and four opponents, four opponents chasing the survivor with elytras would lead to the survivor running out and being forced to confront them.

[gilded summit]

didnt see anyone complain ever cuz no one used elytras

+skybasing already isnt allowed so you couldnt go far with them

[wicked umbra]

Enderpearls won't save you if you're too far from an island, by the time you aim at a bridge there's too much momentum for it to land ontop.

[molten robin]

Put the fries in the bag

[gilded summit]

islands are like 20 blocks apart

i can easily recover with an ep

not that id need to tho

[wicked umbra]

Maps used to be much bigger and the edges of maps are still far away.

[molten robin]

This suggestion had more negative votes than it does positive. Has it not dawned why?

[wicked umbra]

If you want me to stop countering your arguments then lose the minigame altogether or reverse the unfair changes.

[gilded summit]

cuz he keeps making them

theres like 5

also because its funny

[molten robin]

When even was this update you want reverted. It hasn’t died now has it

If you don’t like it dont play it. You said your part, people didn’t like it. There’s no reason to keep bumping this thread.

[wicked umbra]

Because a minority of statistic freaks want to keep grinding wins and will maintain their status quo even if it means destroying the quality of the game, regardless if that turns away new players and eventually turns away the rest of the OG players leaving them with no playerbase ultimately destroying the game.

[gilded summit]

thats why they should do hidden elo ranked matchmaking

[wicked umbra]

I feel like I've had to spell this out on more than 10 instances.

[molten robin]

Yea only thing is that it’s just not true. It does not have any backing and your argument suggest that the larger playerbase would like it. Which would be reflected in the voting if it was.

[wicked umbra]

There hasn't been an official vote for these changes.

[molten robin]

The vote is the thread…

[gilded summit]

cubecraft should really do more ingame polls

[wicked umbra]

On a Discord server that allegedly is majority bedrock players, not including forum members.

[gilded summit]

like the kb across the entire server was changed based on a poll with less than 200 votes and only 60% voted for the winning response, thats not a big enough sample size

[molten robin]

The server is majority bedrock players.

[gilded summit]

bedrock gets like 12x more players

[wicked umbra]

Unfortunately because of policies that demand me to link accounts together I cannot make an account for the forums, if you want to host a forum thread of this topic for me then thanks.

[molten robin]

I don’t understand how thats relevant. Your sample size is bigger here than the forums (not as big as an official pole as coconut suggests but still)

[wicked umbra]

Because of the negative press ganging and inactivity this thread hasn't seen enough players, I have found players who support my arguments on this Discord server numerous times and in-game but they weren't aware of this thread until I gave them a link to it.

[gilded summit]

you found like 12 players in 4 months

i can find more players who are against this in an hour

[wicked umbra]

More like 40

[molten robin]

You should take what people are counter argumenting. Take it in, make a new version that does not include the items people don’t like or change it. Keep it short and clear. Use an introduction, add a why and a tl;dr and you’d have a lot more positive feedback

Because I’ve told you, it’s not all bad. You’re just suggesting way to much and are really stuck on some stuff no one likes. The suggestion itself does not read limiting even the players that see this channel since people dont read allat

[gilded summit]

it also helps to get your facts right, and maybe mention that youre a java player

[molten robin]

Your suggestion should take both java and bedrock in mind. You could add it but if the suggestion doesn’t show that it works on both then it’s flawed.

[sterile citrus]

Nah i just keep interacting because im bored lmao

[sterile citrus]

Just saying on bedrock at least the game was essentially the exact same even with these items because nobody used them

Most people probably didnt even know they existed

So this whole thread to us really comes off as you just comaining about things and accusing people of things for no reason

People probably just think your ragebaiting at this point

If you actually wanna make the game harder for rushers this is the complete wrong approach regardless lol

Cant speak for java but on bedrock for sure

This most recent "og regression" actually does do that though

Weaker armor at the start and cheaper obsidian make it harder for people to solo a team by themselfs, and gives them a smaller window to do it

Or honestly idek the suggestions ive seen you give over time are so random and dont push the game towards any direction specifically so i cant even tell what you want to achive

Do you just want less skill involved overall

Less mechanical skill and more item grinding

Thats the only common denominator i can find

[tawdry bronze]

idk abt the player count

everything else tho YES

[wicked umbra]

The highest priorities are:

• Add elytra back to the shop
• Remove arbitrary item cooldowns and stack limits, if we can afford it we should be able to buy it.

Other suggestions include:

• Maps where the eggs are enclosed e.g. within caves or buildings, hallways and corridors, easier to fortify and defend.
• Homing arrow enchantment bought from the emerald shop to counter elytra flyers.
• Punch 2 bows
• Increased bow fire-rate

People argued about the shop prices being too expensive, if people won't compete for maxed out discounts but complain about games being too long them make elytras and enderpearls cheaper, rebalance the entire shop so that we can get overpowered instantly.

[sterile citrus]

Ok so

Elytras made the game longer

But you want them back anyways because the homing arrows will make it more fair

Do you even take knockback from arrows if your flying on an elytra

[sterile citrus]

What does that accomplish lol

So elytras and enderpeals make the games longer

And you want people to be able to get them sooner

So you just want longer games?

Of people running away constantly

[wicked umbra]

I want to fly and I want there to be incentive for me to defend a team of randoms that would be the first ones eliminated, that being maps with enclosed eggs.

[sterile citrus]

I mean they have those

[wicked umbra]

No they don't

[sterile citrus]

Yea they do

[wicked umbra]

Not on Java.

[sterile citrus]

Lol

They dont have maps whete you have to run through a whole building to get to an egg?

[wicked umbra]

Correct

Overhangs or walls 5-8 blocks behind the egg aren't enclosed.

[sterile citrus]

So you want the egg to be harder to reach

Because of the map

[wicked umbra]

Yes

[sterile citrus]

They probably intentionally avoid stuff like that tbh

So that you can actually find the egg

[wicked umbra]

If finding the egg is an issue then I have another suggestion to remedy that:

• Implement a tour sequence showcasing egg locations similar to Mario Kart race track sequences.

[sterile citrus]

You have an interesting idea on the kinds of things minecraft servers usually add in lol

Even if there was a tour why should you need a tour

Youd prob just forget it

[wicked umbra]

Because you argue that people can't find the eggs.

[sterile citrus]

The egg should just be easy to locate even when covered all the way in protection

[wicked umbra]

Easier to locate at the expense of gameplay.

[sterile citrus]

Thats just better game design

[wicked umbra]

You may as well make obsidian and other materials cheaper to compensate.

[sterile citrus]

Arent they 5 gold atm

And like 3 or 2 with discounts

[wicked umbra]

Make them 1 gold

[sterile citrus]

Why

[wicked umbra]

Discounts cause shop items to bulk so you can buy more.

[gilded summit]

theyre supposed to be 3 in op with no pregen

[sterile citrus]

O lol

3 is alr pretty cheap

[wicked umbra]

Because there's no incentive for me to defend for randoms I don't know and who die too fast.

[sterile citrus]

And gold gens become super fast

[sterile citrus]

How could that possibly be fixed lol

Its a minecract server they arent exactly hardcore gamers

Necessarily lol

[wicked umbra]

Make defense easier or make survival more practical, that's what I've been preaching for the last 2 months.

[gilded summit]

theyre randoms

get real teammates

[sterile citrus]

How does making defense easier make wanting to defend the randoms better

What do defended randoms even do

[wicked umbra]

People don't like me, calling me a pretentious and insufferable egotist, they accuse me of things that I haven't done and they slander me endlessly.

[sterile citrus]

I wonder why lol

[gilded summit]

^

[wicked umbra]

So it's my problem that I haven't been able to fix, I can at least fix the problems with the playerbase.

I don't know how I could stop people from being toxic and slanderous against me so I'll have to fix other problems.

[sterile citrus]

Honestly if you just framed all this as wanting more cool items in eggwars without the whole og regression and tryhard conspiracy claims nobody would bother you this much

Like thats basically all this is

Because your suggestions dont fix what your preaching against or whatever

[wicked umbra]

I tried that but nobody listened, it's not just a conspiracy theory either.

I've seen this behavior kill a previous minigame I played regularly.

I see similar behavior killing survival servers on a weekly to monthly basis.

[sterile citrus]

I mean if it was real they wouldve backpedelled the season 2 update much sooner

[wicked umbra]

So Mineplex wasn't real?

[sterile citrus]

They didnt listen when people were actually complaining to them 24/7

They just decided to do it on their own even tho all the comllaining quieted down

[sterile citrus]

Thats a completely different scenario

[gilded summit]

season 2 was awful

the main reason a lot of players quit

[sterile citrus]

Obviously pandering to sweats could kill games but clearly cube is resistant to that

[gilded summit]

whats mineplex

[sterile citrus]

Since they spent so long keeping the season 2 update that made sweats quit

But then you gotta wonder why they suddenly decided to revert it now

Maybe because they realized more people actually like this version of the game better

Or maybe thats not why who knows but either way it clearly wasnt just from people complaining to them

Simce people complaining just hasnt worked before lol

[sterile citrus]

Also thats kindaa exactly why rushing exists in the first place lol

In the current game state defending is already pretty powerful but only with multiple competent team members

So short of making it completely unfair in favor of defense nothing can really change that

Kind of looking at this wrong entirely tbh

[exotic saffron]

Bro why is this still alive

[tawdry bronze]

because

everyone supports OG eggwars

[compact moss]

The only thing you suggested there that wont cause other problems are more maps that are enclosed, bows are already annoying enough as it is, also what is the point of wanting to add elytras back if you are going to add an item that is targeted for elytras users

Homing arrows are a ridiculous suggestion

[wicked umbra]

It is not ridiculous, people argued that they wouldn't be able to kill flying players even with good aim, this is a logical solution.

[wicked umbra]

The point is to restore the capacity of individual survivors which was undermined by the crippling of the punch bow, crippling of items, and the removal of elytra.

To enable players to put distance between themselves and groups in pursuit.

[wicked umbra]

Punch bows were annoying but are now obsolete, we tolerated the undermining of our playstyles until they became impossible so why can't you tolerate the restoration of our playstyles?

You ought to tolerate us as we've tolerated you.

[compact moss]

You understand that if punch 2 bows were brought back people would just bow spam with them

You understand that if homing arrows were added people wouldnt use them on flying players

You understand that if elytras were brought back a majority of the player base wouldnt even use them

[compact moss]

You understand that I am a bedrock player, that doesn't even make any sense and you are just wasting your time complaining on this server, right?

[wicked umbra]

Bowspam and sniping are more advantageous for defenders and for survivors, sniping and bowspam aren't so bad with deployable towers, walls, ladders, and block-spam.

[compact moss]

And?

[wicked umbra]

Sure they could shoot regular players on the ground but there's still deployable towers, walls, ladders, and block-spam.

[compact moss]

Like people do any of those things besides block spam

And don't say it's because of cool downs or item limits

[wicked umbra]

So is it the survivors fault that most of the playerbase hasn't figured out the advantages of elytra?

[compact moss]

Not to mention adding the things you say would require cubecraft to change a 1000 more things to make the game balanced

[compact moss]

Again that doesn't make any difference

You say the most random things as if they are relevant

[wicked umbra]

It's exactly because of those arbitrary limitations.

[wicked umbra]

Like what?

Besides rebalancing the shops, what else?

[compact moss]

There is no limitation that people don't use the elytras regarding play styles or changes by cubecraft, elytras are expensive and are in a section of the menu that most players never use

That doesn't have anything to do with a play style

[compact moss]

Rebalancing every item in the game

Literally

[wicked umbra]

Deployables and utilities have stack limits and cooldowns making deployables useless outside of recreational building.

[compact moss]

As they should be

Towers were never meant to change the game

[wicked umbra]

So why do people argue that useless items should be removed from the game yet these useless deployables remain?

[wicked umbra]

The core gameplay hasn't changed, you can still defend and destroy eggs even with the addition or subtraction of features.

[compact moss]

Most people don't use them and most people don't say that they should be removed, cubecraft removeed them with the og regression which isnt a crime against humanity like your making it out to be, no one really cares whether they are in the game or not, the deployables are used to quickly create a barrier between you and your opponent, they can be used in many different ways where as elytras and such are very limited

[wicked umbra]

Last time I played deployables were still in the shop.

[compact moss]

I was talking about elytras

[wicked umbra]

^

[compact moss]

And you support my statement

[wicked umbra]

Why is it a problem that few players use elytra? it has a specialized use case which players demonstrate for everyone to observe and copy.

The emerald shop of season 1 was hardly used because it didn't have a specialized use case and was too tedious to grind.

Why is it my problem that my opponents didn't adapt.

[compact moss]

Something I fail to understand is why you refuse to say when someone else makes a good point and you refuse to admit you are wrong, xavi gave you great advice and you just ignored it

[wicked umbra]

I know that I'm correct.

[compact moss]

^^

[compact moss]

That is a very ignorant statement

[wicked umbra]

Yes I've considered everyones argument but ultimately they fail to address the deterioration of the game.

[compact moss]

Then GIVE IT UP

The devs aren't listening to you and they never will

[wicked umbra]

If Cubecraft reverts these unfair changes or shelves eggwars outright then I can stop arguing.

Take away my reason to argue.

[compact moss]

That is a statement I would expect from a 5 year old, why are you asking for more ground whenever you have none in the first place

Be the bigger person and just MOVE ON

[wicked umbra]

There are no alternatives to Cubecraft, Hypixel needs to be overthrown.

[compact moss]

Again more nonsense

I have better things to do

[wicked umbra]

SHOW ME AN ALTERNATIVE WHICH ISN'T HYPIXEL.

[compact moss]

Then argue with someone I partially agree with

[wicked umbra]

Another eggwars server just like Cubecrafts season 2 version

[compact moss]

Arguing isn't just about winning, it's about coming to a compromise, stating points that give light to your suggestions, you fail to simply acknowledge my suggestions and you think that makes you right

[wicked umbra]

No moderators to defend me against this slander comparable to a previous message I said?

Double standards

[wicked umbra]

You want me and a portion of the playerbase to forgo our strategies altogether and surrender to the emperors of statistics which don't care about us, they used developers to undermine our playstyles since season 1 and now they're impossible.

We cannot compromise our playstyles, unless the other sides would compromise then we could come to an agreement.

[gilded summit]

"we" is like 15 players

[sterile citrus]

This guy has to be trolling

He contradicted himself a few times

Lol

Idc its fun to argue

This guy sounds miserable to play against

Spamming deyables and bowspamming and running away at every chance

Maybe he should consider what playstyle actually makes the game unfun

[exotic saffron]

this is literally a thing where bba is like

asking to make the og update be removed

[gilded summit]

we should do that and restore it back to 2021 eggwars

[tawdry bronze]

i misread 💀

yeah then this guy on smth

[wicked umbra]

The Mojang argument against vertical slabs, should the developers remove deployables because they're useless and "un-creative"? Items alone aren't the strategy but are used together in a certain way.

Developers want us to devise new strategies, by removing items to make strategies out of our options are limited.

The game is rigged for experienced squads because that's the most effective strategy for winning, before players were able to solo squads.

[sterile citrus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/agent-stone-sonic-the-hedgehog

[exotic saffron]

😂 😂

[exotic saffron]

are we still dragging this

lowk cc not fun when this isnt being dragged

[sterile citrus]

Fr

[wicked umbra]

I have made my points, I just need to convey them in ways that developers will understand.

https://discord.com/channels/174837853778345984/1480323718436749475