Adding skill based match making would be very cool.

[amber surge]

I'm tired of getting bad and inexperienced teammates in bedwars, it ruins any chance of victory and makes it basically a solo game where I have to do everything, and the leaderboard players (at least for bedwars) always smurf, good opponents also makes it much more fun, I don't mind winning against bad people but it gets boring.

I'm surprised that cc doesn't have this, considering hive does

[amber surge]

Constantly losing because of bad teammates is just draining and people will eventually just quit

Because they never actually had a fair chance due to the incompetence and low skill level of their team.

[round rock]

I think that CubeCraft just don't have enough players to do so because Hive that have bigger online can't afford skill based matchmaking for 1v1 gamemode

[amber surge]

Sure, you can get into a party with good people but it gets boring and it's also not fair for the inexperienced players that you would go against.

[amber surge]

CC does have enough players, sbmm would at minimum add 2 or 3 teams in your game (as I don't really believe only inexperienced people play bw/any other gamemode lol) I'd prefer a decent amount of experienced players in my game and experienced teammates than none.

But CC does have enough players it just depends on what you're playing

And what time

So saying they aren't adding sbmm because there aren't enough experienced players is not true

[round rock]

As Java player for 3 past months I noticed that most of bw are inexperienced, so Bedrock most likely have same situation

All you can do use platform based mm

[amber surge]

Hive bw averages around 7k-9k players, cc averages 1k-2k, it's enough for some amount of experienced players to match with other experienced players

[amber surge]

I'm not speaking about 1v1 gamemodes

Just team based games

[round rock]

You are speaking about 4v4

[amber surge]

Squads yes, it would be feasible to add sbmm and get a good amount of skilled people going against each other to make it fair and more fun.

Sure they'll be exceptions due to the small playercount but as I've said some better than none

[round rock]

CubeCraft not getting players from air

And I don't wanna wait several minutes to play

[amber surge]

They can add a priority queue and a minimum of how much players should get matched

[round rock]

priority q?

[amber surge]

Yes, skill matching players would join first in comparison to others who wouldn't have the same skill

Hive does it with the less popular gamemodes, the games take a bit longer but not that long

[round rock]

I don't wanna waste my time bc u wanna play with pro

just find driends and play in party

[round rock]

Over minute for duel....

It's 5-10 minute for bw

[amber surge]

That's not fair for the inexperienced players we are going to go up against

Nor would it be fun for us, I don't enjoy killing toddlers who can't sprint

[round rock]

Turn on platform mm

[amber surge]

Didn't know that existed on cc but even so, it wouldn't cover the skill gap

[round rock]

Better than nothing

[amber surge]

I'll just win every game because I use claw

80% of like mobile players aren't even aware that exists

[calm geyser]

Skill issue, Just win the game alone Bro its not that hard

[lilac sky]

scrims

[lilac sky]

🔥

[amber surge]

Winning the game alone when you have lb players against you isn't exactly possible

It's easy when you have like toddlers playing against you

But when you have people who are coordinated, skilled, and experienced, you're not going to win because of the numbers against you

[amber surge]

Scrims are literally breaking the rules

They break the rules of cubecraft

A certain someone does bw scrims that break the rules of cc

Cross teaming

[torpid pumice]

cubecraft already said that skill based matchmaking will not be a thing

[amber surge]

Where and why?

[torpid pumice]

they can cross team when they are the last 2 teams

cubecraft doesnt consider anti-targeting as teaming

[torpid pumice]

search for it

several staff have said its not happening because cubecraft is a casual server

[amber surge]

it's coordinated to target the teams who are not apart of the scrims, each scrims team targets a color, in a game it's not in any way shape or form "fair"

[torpid pumice]

2 teams are pushing their adjacent teams who cares

[amber surge]

The opposing scrim team wouldn't reasonably have their bed considering they're all in your base while the other scrim team is out and about

[torpid pumice]

all fair play

[amber surge]

Or has incredibly easy access to the opposing scrim team bed

[torpid pumice]

its called anti targeting which is allowed

[amber surge]

Even your autocorrect acknowledges I'm right

[torpid pumice]

plus they were gonna win anyway its not like those other teams had a chance

[torpid pumice]

i was thinking ahead of myself i dont use autocorrect

[amber surge]

Unconscious logical correction

[torpid pumice]

no cuz i was gonna say those teams were already bad enough they werent even gonna open the shop but i didnt write that

[amber surge]

Anti targeting in a normal game is not punishable, it wouldn't be fair to ban someone for avoiding a certain team or group due to maybe waiting until deathmatch or something like that, but when it comes to them intentionally avoiding the other team (and they've said its for scrim purposes) it's clear manipulation of what's supposed to be the natural flow of the game.

[torpid pumice]

intentionally avoiding the other team
this is literally the definition of anti-targeting

theyre allowed to do it and its been that way for years

[amber surge]

manipulation of the normal flow of the game

[torpid pumice]

players' ability to do scrims isnt going to change

[torpid pumice]

its not cuz like i said anti-targeting is allowed on cubecraft

anyone can do it

[amber surge]

and they've said its for scrim purposes

[torpid pumice]

doesnt matter

[amber surge]

You can't tell the intentions of someone who's avoiding targeting a team/bed/person

[torpid pumice]

you cant which is why its allowed

[amber surge]

Until they explicitly state it, if it's for scrim purposes and just general manipulation of how a game is supposed to flow it's malicious

[torpid pumice]

cry about it

it doesnt matter if theres intention behind it, they can anti-target

youve said literally the same thing the past 5 messages

[amber surge]

If you were a person on a random team and some people decide to do a scrim match (both different teams) your team gets killed and your bed gets broken, you go out and realize those teams are avoiding each other's bed purposely, literally one of their bases is completely empty no one to guard the bed and the other scrim team just walks past it, it's not exactly fair is it, it's clear they are cross teaming and also this is giving you the utmost credit and assuming that these teams are attacking each other within reasonable distances

On which most scrim rules state the scrim teams can't attack each other until the team is wiped out

Do you really believe one of the scrim members won't pass by another opposing scrim member?

[torpid pumice]

walking past the bed and not getting it is not anti-targeting

[amber surge]

That's my point, anti targeting is allowed but to a reasonable extent

[torpid pumice]

players arent required to fight anyone they run past

[amber surge]

The issue is that if they establish it's a scrim

[torpid pumice]

scrim teams would typically fight each other if that happened but its not required for them to fight as it can reasonably happen in any match

[torpid pumice]

they know that and they take the risk

[amber surge]

Scrim people?

[torpid pumice]

yes

[amber surge]

Well yeah, official scrims which don't break the rules would be fun but non existent

[torpid pumice]

talking about the current allowed scrims

[amber surge]

Oh the ones for eggwars and stuff?

[torpid pumice]

for all games

[amber surge]

I thought you were agreeing with me

[torpid pumice]

no, current scrims are perfectly fine

cubecraft claimed they were making a league but i doubt its coming out

[amber surge]

https://help.cubecraft.net/en/article/cubecraft-rules-1403lij/#:~:text=rigging games to give yourself or others wins)

[torpid pumice]

doesnt fall under that

if the other teams want to win then they should get better

[lilac sky]

What

They each take one team

And then fight eachother

[amber surge]

Ok I'll just ask staff

[lilac sky]

They dont team

[torpid pumice]

sure but staff are probably going to tell you what i told you but without detail and in a neutral way

[amber surge]

That's rigging the game

[lilac sky]

Dude

Does that mean winning is rigging the game

Its literally like playing a normal bed wars game except that u pause it midway, after two teams are dead

I was in a scrim and the two scrimming teams didnt even interact until both other teams were eliminated

[amber surge]

When you are intentionally avoiding the opposing team (despite you being able to reasonably do it, and it's for non gameplay related reasons) that is rigging the game in the favor of both teams

[lilac sky]

Maybe make a ticket and ask if bw scrims are against the rules or smth before so confidently stating theyre against the rules

Cuz as of now i dont see any rule that states bw scrims are against the rules

[amber surge]

I'm doing that right now

[amber surge]

I thought there was skill based match making options in the setting

[ebon compass]

If you want skill based matchmaking then go play different servers

The average cubecraft player don’t know how to walk

The percentage of good players are very low

[potent jay]

facts, cube players cant even grab items from a chest, so competitive games r just 1v1 between the most skilled players

[amber surge]

%100 true, usually it’s only the people with rank who have any skill, and even then, it’s not that hard to clap most of them

[amber surge]

@torpid pumice

As I guessed, making any sort of agreement with what's supposed to be an opposing team isn't allowed.

[torpid pumice]

so basically you asked the mod a very vague question without using the word scrim

[amber surge]

What does this prove

[amber surge]

So a scrim isn't "avoiding an opposing team due to an agreement made with that team to attack the other teams and eventually attack eachother when the other teams have been eliminated"

That's literally what my message says

What conclusion do you get from the message in the screenshot besides "they avoid each other (due to an agreement) until the other teams are eliminated"

[ebon compass]

its almost impossible to find someone ur level in a specific gamemode if u know how to play

[torpid pumice]

you generalized what a scrim is and got a vague answer from a bad mod who doesnt even play bedrock

[amber surge]

Can you tell me what a scrim is and not define it in the way I did, I knew you would pull this

[torpid pumice]

both teams go for the adjacent teams while ignoring each other

[amber surge]

Java player beta tester

[torpid pumice]

usually that happens anyway when 2 good teams meet in the same match but in scrims they just dont have to worry about the other team getting the bed

[amber surge]

She gathered that from the exact message I used

Not a bedrock player either

[torpid pumice]

fesa isnt a mod either

[amber surge]

I don't know where you get this impression that I sent out a vague message to get the answer I want

[amber surge]

That doesn't matter your point was "oh but that mod is a java player so they wouldn't understand your message!" it seems another java player completely understood what I meant

I used the exact message just without the apology of the ping

[torpid pumice]

fesa added her own claification

[ebon compass]

people in scrims do it all the time but no one was banned for it

[amber surge]

What does that mean? that a java player is able to reasonably comprehend what I mean.

[torpid pumice]

some people have been for actually cross teaming but no one has been banned for anti targeting

[amber surge]

You can't realistically prove it unless you're apart of the scrim

Or they're announcing the scrim

[ebon compass]

if mods really dont like people doing that for scrims then they could have made private games a thing instead of locking it behind mods and partners

[torpid pumice]

sure

[torpid pumice]

also they cant ban it cuz players would either do it anyway or go to another server

[amber surge]

I recall a glitch where you could be in a party and match up with an enemy team instead of ur party

If I could recreate it

And see if it's allowed to do

That could probably be a way to do scrim matches without having to cross team

Because realistically no one is being harmed

[ebon compass]

the game makes the teams if you do that

and there will still be nons in the game if the party doesnt have enough people

[torpid pumice]

lets be real, the other 2 teams were gonna lose no matter what anyway

[ebon compass]

not always

i joined a scrims unknowingly and i still won

[torpid pumice]

thats cuz youre a good player

[amber surge]

You can get a second party going

[torpid pumice]

the majority of players wouldnt be able to do that

[ebon compass]

true

[amber surge]

It's not impossible

It's feasible

I've talked about this if you scroll up

I don't genuinely believe there's this big shortage of good players

[ebon compass]

there is

if you play a lot then you will know

[amber surge]

I play like daily, I come across good players often

I get matched up with like lb players consistently

[ebon compass]

Unless I play in weekends or during holidays in America at a specific time it’s very rare for me to find some good players

Just because they are leaderboard players that doesn’t mean they are good

FFA is like the only game mode where there are good players at all times

Also how do you even add skill based matchmaking

How are the teams made

How do they decide whether that player is good or not

[amber surge]

K/D, broken beds, etcetera

If subject A has around the same range of K/D + same range of beds broken as subject B, match them up.

[ebon compass]

Having high k/d and bed breaks doesn’t mean they are good players

[amber surge]

Having a low amount of deaths in comparison to high amount of kills doesn't mean they are a good player?

Erm.

[ebon compass]

You can just farm nons for high k/d

Or purposely void to get low k/d and look like a bad player

[amber surge]

So that means you are better than the average player

[amber surge]

Who's going to do that

[ebon compass]

Well yes since most of the players on cubecraft are iPad kids

[amber surge]

Then it's a fair way of scaling the ability level

[ebon compass]

A lot of people actually do it

[amber surge]

What's the benefit?

[ebon compass]

There is no way to have a good skill based matchmaking

[ebon compass]

To make themselves look like they have a lot of kills

[amber surge]

No, I mean what's the benefit of jumping into the void

To look like a bad player

What's the point

[ebon compass]

They won’t do it but if the game adds a skill based matchmaking using k/d then there will be good players intentionally voiding to play against bad players to troll

[amber surge]

That's called smurfing which if they are seriously planning to do that then they can just make an alt account

CC doesn't prevent alt accounts unless you're banned

[ebon compass]

No need to spam that

[amber surge]

Discord bug

[amber surge]

(which even that is easy to bypass)

[ebon compass]

Yeah people would do that

[amber surge]

That's the low majority

[ebon compass]

When I used to play eggwars at night for my timezone I could not find a single good team

Every game were just iPad kids

[amber surge]

Sbmm in every game works that way, if you don't actually do anything you'll get matched up with inexperienced people

[ebon compass]

That’s because there are no good players online

[amber surge]

Eggwars has died out, bedwars is in its peak rn getting more players, and it's a beta game mind you

[ebon compass]

For bedwars out of the thousands of people playing only about 20-30 of them actually are good

[ebon compass]

I have only lost like 20 games on bedwars and I have played about 350 games

[amber surge]

That's because there's no sbmm

Smurfing is easy

[ebon compass]

Not enough players to add it

[amber surge]

Smurfs look at the players who join

[ebon compass]

If I have to wait for a full game of good players then I’m likely going to wait for 30m

[amber surge]

Man that's not true, if what you say is true then the good players will get matched up with the good players even if there's a low amount of them and the new people get matched up with the new people

It makes it a fun and fair experience

Playing against toddlers gets boring

[ebon compass]

The skilled players will have to wait 30m for a game

[amber surge]

I give up

[ebon compass]

That’s why I play hive and zeqa now

[ebon compass]

You need to understand that out of the thousands of people playing bedwars there are less that 1% of them that are skilled

Which means that you won’t be able to find a match with full of good players even with skill based matchmaking

[torpid pumice]

real

theres not enough players for anything other than region based matchmaking

[lilac sky]

maybe mention ur talking about a scrim

since theres literally no other way we can do scrims

[amber surge]

I did, on which they closed the ticket

Meaning that the answer is final

[lilac sky]

well they arent doing anything to stop the scrims

also in the screenshot u sent u never mentioned u were talking about scrims

[amber surge]

Are you deadass

Same screenshot as the one I sent

After I said this, they deleted the ticket

Meaning its final and there's no negotiation

[ebon compass]

thats not stopping me from doing it

[lilac sky]

yes

[upbeat igloo]

Tbfh I really enjoy destroying more inexperienced players

Like

On capture the flag

Makes me feel like I'm not that mid at the game

[inner dune]

You guys can join the upcoming cubecraft league and play scrims there

[torpid pumice]

yeah but how longs that gonna take

[inner dune]

not long, now that eggwars was released

probably as soon as christmas and new year are over as people will want to spend time with their family

[amber surge]

Yippe