Reduce moderation abuse

[idle sigil]

Minecraft accounts cost 30$ each and are the means by which players manifest into multiplayer worlds, permanently banning them can be inconsequential for scammers who profit from stealing accounts and the rich who can afford to ban evade, however with poorer players who don't have the means to easily afford new vessels and services to protect those vessels permanent bans can be compared to being murdered.

Reserve permanent punishments for offenses which affect players personally

• Permanent bans are a necessity for regulating malicious actors but I propose that Cubecraft reserve permanent punishments for offenses such as doxxing and fraud and anything which would harm players personally, permanent bans erode the worth of Minecraft accounts and often necessitate additional services to protect newer accounts.

We are all malicious, including moderators and opponents

• Moderation abuse occurs when 1 or more moderators collude to oppress 1 or more players with unusual and often excessive punishments such as 1-year mutes for a genuine mistake to which the appeals are repeatedly denied. It also occurs when moderators enforce their own personal rules not written in the servers rules and when they sympathize with enraged opponents against 1 or more players who'd want players banned purely for their playstyle which doesn't violate any pre-existing rules.
• Cubecraft enforces a zero-tolerance policy for players running hacked clients even if they leave them on and join by mistake, many of us play anarchy servers and we make that mistake from time to time but I believe this degree of strictness is unreasonable when the player has only joined the lobby before joining any matches and realizing their mistake. Appeals for these common mistakes should be accepted instead of rejected in a dubious way to deter players and harm Cubecrafts playerbase which has shrunk significantly over time.

[lone hazel]

1st off, buying or selling accounts is against microsofts ToS which can result in a ban throughout xbox. 2nd, you dont need to pay to make a new account on minecraft.

there are already perma bans that exist for players that dox and do other stuff that can cause serious harm in some way or another. 1st bans/mutes are not ever 1 year long (unless its the perma ban ofc) and moderators already have specific rules to follow for what they should do in most situations. cubecraft bans players that use cheats as soon as a moderator looks at a report and accepts it, or when sentinel (anticheat) detects it. having these on by mistake doesn’t really make a difference because you are still using cheats, intentional or not. if cubecraft accepted appeal for “accidentally leaving a hack client on”, almost all hackers could be unbanned at least once on each account.

idk if i answered everything or not but yeah

[spiral urchin]

moderation abuse doesnt happen you made that up

and permanent bans already arent permanent

imo they should remove warnings for team killing and remove the 1 day ban track for teaming, both of these are common sense

also appeals are accepted way too often

if you do an appeal and apologize for whatever you did they are very likely to accept it

which i think is stupid cuz who "accidently" cheats

[icy spade]

If you truly think you were "false banned" for joining our server accidentally with a cheat client and you got banned because you used a cheat client on our server, then I don't know what else to say.

[fading kestrel]

ummm i got mine for like $50

[idle sigil]

It's happened to me on multiple servers, players will get frustrated with my fair playstyles and lawful behavior and so conspire to corrupt moderators to get me permabanned.

I've had to create a formal notice of liability to give to every new server I joined since then.

[idle sigil]

For example: I had only joined the lobby before joining any match lobbies before realizing I left some cheats on, there was no time for me to abuse them between downloading the resource pack and immediately disconnecting yet that was enough time to trigger Sentinel.

[idle sigil]

I think the punishment is excessive, it is reminiscent of Mineplexs moderation abuse where punishment durations would stack to 3 months and longer.

Thus this qualifies as moderation abuse.

[idle sigil]

Not for offline accounts but Cubecraft is an online server that requires online accounts, online accounts are bought.

Think about it from this perspective:

We are immortal spirits granted the ability to manifest into multiplayer worlds by vessels bought with money, our means of manifestation are tethered to hardware and internet service providers which can be exploited by other spirits overseeing multiplayer worlds in order to commit atrocities against us.

• When a vessel is banned from manifesting into a world it can be compared to being physically killed, when that ban targets our tethers it can be compared to being spiritually killed, depending on the motive of the ban it is either an act of defense or an act of murder.
• The worth of our vessels is affected by the benefits and punishments associated with them, a vessel may become less valued after one or more spiritual deaths and may need to be replaced when its punishments outweigh its benefits.
• Vessels have a tendency to lose worth because of moderation abuse restricting them from manifesting into the most attractive worlds, spiritual death afflicts our money which is a luxury for some, because of this we should not tolerate damage endured by moderation abusers and we should hold them to the financial damages afflicted going as far as to punish them with equivalent lawful financial punishments.
• Moderation abuse is not the only threat to our vessels, scammers and social engineers are far more acute threats with Microsoft support unable to recover accounts and only able to permanently disable them under certain conditions which thieves often abuse. For this reason we should all be vigilant and speculative about anything which regards our vessels and money from ignoring links and advertisements to questioning account linking methods and keeping account information with your personal information.

If a punishment hurts the worth of {money invested into} my account and the punishment is unjustified then that's moderation abuse.

I don't advocate for the outlawing of permanent bans, that's necessary for a servers self defense against players {terrorists} who want to harm the servers money, or destroy it in any way, or try to harm players in any way.

Unfortunately because we players lack a lawful police force to regulate moderation practices with many would resort to DDOSing and sociel engineering and other unlawful methods of regulating a server, this influences how my notices are formed.

[idle sigil]

If the offense is against real property or people then permanent punishments are justified, if the offense is within the game then the punishment must always be temporal with durations reflecting their severity.

When an account is permanently banned there must be an opportunity to appeal it every 10 years.

[spiral urchin]

when your account is permanently banned its not permanent its 6 months

[spiral urchin]

that doesnt happen on cubecraft

[spiral urchin]

getting banned by the anticheat for joining with a cheat client is not moderation abuse

and your first ban is only 1 month anyway

[idle sigil]

So Cubecraft lied to me when they said they enforced permanent bans.

I'm talking about permanent bans that are eternal, forever, everlasting.

[idle sigil]

I still believe it's excessive for a common mistake which I'd made explicitly clear in my appeals.

[spiral urchin]

joining with a cheat client is not a common mistake

[spiral urchin]

most players dont know you can appeal after 6 months and get it removed so i wouldnt blame them

[spiral urchin]

exceptions to this would be network bans like doxxing

[lone hazel]

??

you dont buy entire accounts, you just buy the game on an account

[idle sigil]

As if the Minecraft account wasn't the entire account?

Is there some secret feature that allows me to do more than change a username and get unbanned from every server?

[lone hazel]

you can log in with multiple minecraft accounts if you have minecraft bought on one account

thats still ban evading though

[idle sigil]

What is this whole account you're referring to, Microsoft?

[lone hazel]

yes

[idle sigil]

I can make more of those.

[lone hazel]

but if you bought the game on one microsoft account, you dont need to buy the game on another one just to keep playing

[idle sigil]

Having a separate Microsoft account would be the most secure way to own Minecraft since Microsoft support cannot recover a stolen Microsoft account or transfer data to another Microsoft account.

[idle sigil]

How do I make a free Minecraft account?

[lone hazel]

you still need to pay at least once to pay though

[idle sigil]

So it's not free.

[lone hazel]

yes

one time payment

[idle sigil]

So how do I make more accounts for free with the game I've paid for?

I would've found a solution to this but I searched and couldn't find anything suggesting this.

[lone hazel]

you can switch your account from the top left corner of the minecraft launcher

create a new account the same way you made the original

but dont buy the game on that account

just login to the launcher with that

thats how it works for me at least

[idle sigil]

Had to remove a compromised account after the launcher kept demanding me to sign in with it

[idle sigil]

Are you trying to tell me that I can have multiple Minecraft accounts with one purchase for the game and one Microsoft account? I can only switch Microsoft accounts and the launcher would tell me to buy the game again.

[lone hazel]

for the first part of this message, yes

not sure why it would tell you to buy the game again, i bought the game on one account but i play using a different account

[light snow]

It doesn’t take you long to find out you have cheat client on

[idle sigil]

Because I play anarchy servers and minigame servers with the same client, sometimes it takes a few seconds after joining before realizing that I didn't turn it off.

[clever solar]

what i say is...

A cheat client is a cheat client, start crying.

[arctic robin]

either way cheating is still bad

[idle sigil]

So punish me for playing anarchy servers because survival servers are unsustainable and everyone stays on anarchy servers.

[light snow]

Your fault for not realizing you have cheats on

[idle sigil]

The punishment is still excessive for what it was.

[light snow]

You reminds me of Jarvis

[idle sigil]

Never knew her

[vale nymph]

Reading this post like a Hollywood Blogbuster

[noble cypress]

Comparing a ban to being murdered is wild

[noble cypress]

But what if i dont want to cry

[idle sigil]

The physical death of a vessel is not inconsequential for the increasing pool of impoverished.

[noble cypress]

You dont need to speak that formally yk

[idle sigil]

I'm formal by default, I can be more casual but that's rare for me.

[noble cypress]

Why so? Youre on discord dude

To gain more attention u gotta speak in our language

[idle sigil]

I don't know this "language" you're mentioning.

[noble cypress]

It wasnt literal. I was referring to the “language” discord users speak: The informal english with short forms and basic words

[clever solar]

well, too bad.

[rotund hill]

Definitely can happen, gotta remember moderations are just teens doing free labor for a Minecraft server. Abuse, incompetence, childish behavior, etc, of course these things can happen. But I doubt it's a widespread issue lol.

[spiral urchin]

most of them arent teens and its not free labor. and moderator abuse doesnt happen, sure they make mistakes but its not abusing their perms

[arctic robin]

well those that have likely got fired

[spiral urchin]

they dont get fired for making mistakes

[arctic robin]

i was talking about abusing, not ban by mistake

[spiral urchin]

it doesnt happen to begin with

[arctic robin]

what about realted noobs? he was banned for doxxing, did they provide any evidence? no they didnt.

they even refuse to show it to related noobs.

[gritty mist]

chatgpt putting in work

[gritty mist]

Deserved ban tbh, it's on you to turn off a hacked client before joining a server that doesn't allow it

that kind of excuse is almost as lame as saying my brother was playing i dont know what he installed

Trying to label cube for enforcing their rules as moderator abuse is a crazy statement

[noble cypress]

doubt thats gpt

[spiral urchin]

they literally cant make the evidence public

[arctic robin]

they refuse to show it to relalted.

[spiral urchin]

again, they cant show the evidence to related or anyone else in the joint ban because any of them could make it public

[arctic robin]

yes but if realted DID doxx, he could already make that info public, so cc not showing him makes no snese

[spiral urchin]

hes already denying it to make people hate on cc so theres no reason for him to release his own proof

do you really think cubecraft would ban 4 popular players for no reason?

[light snow]

5

[arctic robin]

so you think related AND all the others would throw away their entire career do dox someone? I dont think so.

[icy spade]

Let's end this discussion thank you and keep it on topic.

[arctic robin]

you took 73 years to type that?

[icy spade]

Well it's still 2024, so I highly doubt it took 73 years 😄

[arctic robin]

its 2097 now

😄

[icy spade]

sure

[light snow]

Let’s stay on topic please

[arctic robin]

yes

they really dont like people talking about moderation

[spiral urchin]

thats not their career and while its unlikely for anyone to dox anyone, they were banned for it meaning someone put in the work of making a player safety report (different than a normal report) which you need more evidence for than a normal report and is reviewed by admins

[spiral urchin]

theyre fine with it i complain about the rules all the time

[arctic robin]

not talking about the rules, talking about the moderaton, they're different.

[spiral urchin]

you can complain about the mods and staff too

[gritty mist]

who apart from related got banned?

[spiral urchin]

xclutchingg and privqted

it was all part of a joint network ban

there were others but i dont think they were partnered

[clever solar]

wheatyl aswell

[light snow]

Farisq too

[idle sigil]

You can get banned for punching people.

I use a keybind managing mod called TooManyShortcuts which is critical to my playstyle, I don't use the traditional WASD controls and I have utility mods with many functions used for survival servers.

This mod allows me to assign multiple keys to a single action and multiple of the same bindings, I bound 10 simultaneous attack hotkeys and that's how I made my punching loud.

I'm only able to punch very fast with this method because I hold two keys on my keyboard and cannot press anything else without disrupting it.

It is not an autoclicker by the traditional definition but a quirk of a mod that I use.

[arctic robin]

u hold 2 keys which makes u spam click?

[idle sigil]

Yes, CTRL + W.

An opponent went out of their way to get me banned again.

If people are going to keep hurting the worth of my vessels like this then I need a solution, a way to hurt them back or a way to make their damage negligable.

[arctic robin]

its a 3rd party mod, and 3rd party mods go against the rules

[idle sigil]

I proposed more lenient enforcement within this forum but Cubecraft staff don't seem to approve.

That could've been a win for the both of us but we disagreed, now I need to win for myself.

[arctic robin]

by using a macro xD

?

[idle sigil]

This disproportionate punishment is on par with my experience on Mineplex getting muted for 50+ days at a time for mistakes in chat and self defense.

[spiral urchin]

you should be banned for that

[arctic robin]

exactly

the rules on mineplex dont matter right now

[idle sigil]

With how Cubecraft has been abusing me lately it should be shut down the way Mineplex was shut down and be replaced.

[arctic robin]

plus the server has gone bankrupt

[spiral urchin]

seems like you broke their rules twice and were rightfully banned twice

[idle sigil]

Police are punished for use of excessive force, why don't we punish the server likewise.

We can regulate moderation practices to favor us all.

[spiral urchin]

because its not excessive

[spiral urchin]

yes we should ban double clicking and drag clicking entirely

and the cps limit should be 10

[arctic robin]

10!?!!?

[idle sigil]

We should just ban players from clicking.

[arctic robin]

bit too low

[spiral urchin]

it favors strategy over raw click speed and also reduces pc advantage

[idle sigil]

Just ban players that use modern hardware in favor of my 15 year old Elitebook 8440p laptop.

[arctic robin]

they should just have input based matchmaking instead of a low cps cap

[spiral urchin]

they cant

theres not enough players for that

or the trade off would be removing asian servers but players actually want more regions

[arctic robin]

there is enough players

on bedrock that is.

[idle sigil]

Why isn't this forum at the top?

[arctic robin]

cuz its an older one

newer ones are at the top

[spiral urchin]

did you know ibmm actually exists rn

it just doesnt do anything cuz theres not enough players

[spiral urchin]

not what i said

[arctic robin]

almost 12k enough?

[spiral urchin]

now go on the server pick a gamemode and team size and divide it by 3

[light snow]

95% of those players have no consciousness

[spiral urchin]

thats the average number of players per region in that gamemode and team size

ibmm barely worked at 30k players

[light snow]

Back in my days Cubecraft was hitting 30k players every weekend

[spiral urchin]

back in my day it hit 40k daily

[light snow]

Was that during July 2021

[spiral urchin]

2020-2021

[gritty mist]

no you just got reported for cheating

im convinced this person is just trolling at this point theres no way

[idle sigil]

The quirk of this hotkey mod I use is not practical to use in the match, I only used it while waiting for the match to start because there aren't noteblocks close to where the players spawn in for me to click on instead.

I mentioned that I couldn't press anything else when performing this, I can't turn it on as I'm running or bridging or fighting.

[idle sigil]

I may as well be banned for using optimization mods then since they give me an advantage over older systems that can barely perform well enough to play with.

[gritty mist]

The specifics of how you used the keybind arent really valid

[idle sigil]

The ranked players should be banned because they waste my time forcing me to cycle for maps that I want.

[gritty mist]

thats like saying people can use cheat clients to fly around the lobby because it isnt effecting anyone else

[idle sigil]

Is it ruining gameplay by any means?

[gritty mist]

the rules are blanket statements for a reason

[gritty mist]

That hasnt got to do with anything

[idle sigil]

So you're telling me that policies are not related to gameplay.

[gritty mist]

no im saying their policies apply network wide

not just in actual game modes

[idle sigil]

And they apply to gameplay too.

[gritty mist]

Yes and

[idle sigil]

Are my actions in any way shape or form, harming the gameplay?

If it's not then I don't need to be banned.

[gritty mist]

It doesnt matter if theyre harming the gameplay

Its their rules that you agree to when you play their server

this isnt some government legislation that you can argue

[idle sigil]

Those blanket statements should be expanded to be more specific then.

Not everyone knows that they can be banned for punching players fast and obnoxiously.

[gritty mist]

crazy statement but maybe

people should read the rules

[idle sigil]

I did, they didn't mention I'd be punished for punching players fast and obnoxiously.

[gritty mist]

then they would know that they cant use exploits on the server entirely but lets be honest thats just common sense

[idle sigil]

Common sense tells me that if my actions don't harm gameplay then there's no problem.

Cubecraft never had a problem with me auto-clicking noteblocks before they removed them and limited my right-click CPS.

[gritty mist]

i dont think you are getting what im saying it doesnt matter what you believe common sense to be

exploiting on any part of the server can be punished

theres no other way to put it

[idle sigil]

Then players should be punished for corrupting moderation, that's an exploit.

[gritty mist]

having to define every tiny ambiguity of every rule would make the rules 100 pages long

using common sense people can understand that rules apply to the whole server

at least you would hope so anyway

The first ban for autoclicking is only 30d anyway

you can just wait

[idle sigil]

A 30 day ban for "autoclicking" players before a match is extremely disproportionate and even then that ban pushes my vessel closer to a permanent ban, it threatens the worth of my vessel, it threatens my money and I do not tolerate damage against my money.

The last guy that stole my alt account got his operation shut down, I made sure he'd suffer at least equivalent damage he'd done to me.

[gritty mist]

closer to a permanent ban

so dont exploit again?

i think thats a pretty simple way not to be banned

[idle sigil]

Just stop abusing me, I'm not harming gameplay.

[gritty mist]

Abusing you wdym

dont cheat in video game dont get ban

pretty simple statement

[idle sigil]

Finding any possible excuse or false justification to hurt my money.

[gritty mist]

what are you talking about

[idle sigil]

My vessel.

[gritty mist]

elaborate

[idle sigil]

Let me pull up some terms.

• When a vessel is banned from manifesting into a world it can be compared to being physically killed, when that ban targets our tethers it can be compared to being spiritually killed, depending on the motive of the ban it is either an act of defense or an act of murder.
• The worth of our vessels is affected by the benefits and punishments associated with them, a vessel may become less valued after one or more spiritual deaths and may need to be replaced when its punishments outweigh its benefits.
• Vessels have a tendency to lose worth because of moderation abuse restricting them from manifesting into the most attractive worlds, spiritual death afflicts our money which is a luxury for some, because of this we should not tolerate damage endured by moderation abusers and we should hold them to the financial damages afflicted going as far as to punish them with equivalent lawful financial punishments.
• Moderation abuse is not the only threat to our vessels, scammers and social engineers are far more acute threats with Microsoft support unable to recover accounts and only able to permanently disable them under certain conditions which thieves often abuse. For this reason we should all be vigilant and speculative about anything which regards our vessels and money from ignoring links and advertisements to questioning account linking methods and keeping account information with your personal information.

[gritty mist]

And how would it be hurting "your money"

[idle sigil]

Mojang has been on a crusade to shut down every free alt account generation website, the only vessels we have are premium bought accounts.

I should not have to treat Minecraft like a subscription service because of moderation abuse.

[gritty mist]

ok this just got weird

i feel like im talking to a schizophreniac no offense im just going to stop talking now

[idle sigil]

Our vessels are equivalent to 30$ of currency, the worth of our accounts evolves by benefits accumulated by them and by punishments dealt to them in other servers.

When my account is banned from every major minigame server its worth is reduced to being an alt account for survival servers.

[lone hazel]

most simple way i can say this is: cheating is cheating, and it isnt allowed by the rules

so just dont do it, for regular servers or friends

[light snow]

ChatGPT be like

Btw no one agrees with you