Java Map Rotations

[tame jasper]

Hi everyone!

We're coming up to 3 months when we did the last one.
https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/java-map-rotations.352542/

Looking for feedback on any maps to be rotated out, and maps you'd like to see rotated back in.

See image for proposed changes. I will be making new LI maps while this is being talked about. Looking to close and release this fairly swiftly.

this is the plan with city if it's rotated back in https://imgur.com/a/yYNCXwx

[dreamy latch]

This looks good :D

[coral vector]

Thank you for getting rid of Blizzard & Desert

Never put those map back again

[coral vector]

@tame jasper when do these maps come

[tame jasper]

possibly end of week or next

[coral vector]

'possibly'

[slender jewel]

So we are finally getting 3v3 maps again?

And city will be 4 teams of 3, right?

[tame jasper]

teams of 3 maps yes

and city will be converted to a team of 3 vs 3 vs 3 vs 3

[tired hollow]

I think maps should rotate more often

[slender jewel]

nicee

[tame jasper]

making progress on a LI solo map atm (kind of greek themed)

[tame jasper]

finished now

[elfin palm]

That’s an amazing map! I know this is a Java specific channel but will the map come to Bedrock in the future?

[final prairie]

Hey efcluke I got a question since ur admin

Is it possible for cube craft to make a poll to add or replace eggwars teams to solo

In Java

I miss the old days there

[tame jasper]

Yah any maps that are newly made will come to bedrock

[orchid gazelle]

Personally I’d love to see space to4 return. Always loved that map 🤍

[tulip socket]

@fathom phoenix agrees with that

My thoughts @tame jasper

Skywars:

• Desert always was the worst map because of the lack of space to fight
• idm blizzard or crystals but also idm them being removed
• I am pretty indifferent about the 3 maps coming in, they are fine, not great (hopefully they get slightly reworked/new blocks added)

Eggwars:

• [swearword] magic is gone!!!!
• Why not keep city with 6 teams?
• New maps coming are great, as always (which one is love again?)
• I would also remove modern tbh, its just too small and cyper city is preferred as small map imo

Lucky Islands:
Haven't played it enough recently, but I love Vortex coming back!

[tulip socket]

can't wait for every single enemy I run into to carry a kb sword 😛

[elfin palm]

Love (in the context of Java) was a Valentines themed Team EggWars map that has 6 teams of 2 players per team. Each base in that map has a heart shape. It has a present in the sub middle and teddy bears at middle

[final prairie]

is there any hopes to add eggwars solo that can have only 2 maps i dont have to get all maps back

or at least replace it with teams smt

[shut hull]

It would be better to add it on the weekend. Not because that I can't wait til next week or anything, trust me 🙂

[tame jasper]

unlikeky ew solo would be added back

[final prairie]

wish it happens at least just add 1 or 2 maps for eggwars solo so we dont get many servers there if i am not wrong 😭

[tame jasper]

currently updating love map for ew. Saw this teddy bear and thought this could use a change

i dont think it was an improvement

[tulip socket]

😂

[elfin palm]

Keep the teddy bears as it is. They are iconic the way they are now

[tame jasper]

changing most of the map atm it's too ugly and doesn't fit new eggwars meta. This is what it currently looks like

kinda want to release it to Bedrock too just for a few days as part of a valentines release and giveaway

[orchid gazelle]

Pls take insp from the toys bear haha

At least not make it wood imo 😭

[elfin palm]

So this is going to replace the existing variant of the TO4 map on Bedrock or is it going to be for TO2? Since in this variant, the team arrangements were different and it includes sub mid. I hope it’ll be a TO2 map since it suits the Valentines event theme

[tame jasper]

New java To3 EggWars love map (positions of islands aren;t final

To2 idea for bedrock when I get round to doing that

[elfin palm]

The map look amazing! Good job!

[autumn verge]

If there is still an EggWars map to be removed. Might I propose Cyber City or Volcanic?
Despite being very fun, volcanic is just winfarmy. And Cyber City is also win farm, probably always ~1/2min games. But even if it's not; fights on base are super awkward and annoying with it being so small with so many gens

[tulip socket]

I see your point, but having a team of 6 map is justz such a blessing, I am often in big parties and teams of 4 is just a little awkward for those since you have to be with 4 or 8 to balance it. While volcanic allows for parties of 5 and 6 aswell

and winfarming is an issue, but its also not allowed to if it happens the winfarmers can be punished
and the map is far from always open

[autumn verge]

With win farming I mean just only playing that map and having all games be super short because there is only one team and they're all worse while the other team is all sweats.

I suppose you're probably is solved with teams of 3 maps 😛

Almost every game on that map is a free win, which is just dumb and unfair

[tulip socket]

says you

I say its not always a free win

[autumn verge]

That's why it says almost

[tulip socket]

but really, the map is just not often open
I like to play it but there are often only 2-4 maps open in the entire pool

[autumn verge]

As I said in the original message, when both teams are good. It's a really fun map, but most of the time it will just be a 2m game beating up some random stone ranks

[tulip socket]

teams of 3 does solve my problem a little bit but its still way more fun to have your party on the same team then having to fight each other

[autumn verge]

Considering that screen is 6 days old. Ig that says something

[tulip socket]

if it is such a big winfarm map you should consider a 6v6v6v6 😛

[autumn verge]

Yes, I'd love such a bigger map. With 4 teams of 5/6

[tulip socket]

I haven't been playing for 6 days but alr

[tulip socket]

same, unfortunately its gonna be hard to fill it up

[queen trail]

Why volcanic removed? it is a super fun map and has not been used for winfarming as it did not appear very often.

[queen trail]

I like the map, but the islands could be a little closer together? in the case of bedrock they should be separated because building is much quicker and easier but in java it is a bit annoying to have to build so much to get to an island or mid

[queen trail]

Also I think Temple should be removed, its literally the same map as Yuki and I don't understand the sense of adding again a map as if it was new and with another name, when it was 1 month ago at Christmas too

[autumn verge]

It's a seasonal map - https://discord.gg/cubecraft?event=1204139794972807279

[real ivy]

I miss Volcanic, when is it coming back?

[tulip socket]

bruh volcanic gone

[tame jasper]

made quite a few changes now, to get some new content out for weekend.

• LI rotations done, added new map called Mythic (need to make another map for it still and config)
• EW rotated out 4 maps, the 3 proposed and volcanic - added Cherry & Cyberpunk. Need to config the Love To3 map and city and rotate that in.
• SW rotations done (saw someone want arcade back, can do that next rotation)

[tulip socket]

but why volcanic

everyone was so happy we had a map with actual bigger teamsize back :c

[slender jewel]

For next rotation remove old maps that have stayed for a long time so that we get some new ones. Such as beach, palace, modern and cyber city.

[tulip socket]

beach and palace are just really good maps tho

[floral apex]

I dont know why but this just gave me angrybirds piggie vibe :)

[hardy dove]

If I can add my opinion, I agree with you about Volcanic but not about the 2 maps, because in maps of 4, there is a max of 16 players and 4 person/team, and in maps of 2, is the same but /2.

I mean:

16 players max/2 = 8 players max
4 players(in 1 team)/2= 2 players

So I think thats fair.

[queen trail]

I know, and?

[autumn verge]

That means it will removed when the event is over

[queen trail]

I suggest to remove it now, as I explained on my first message

[real ivy]

Exactly, change it with Volcanic

[queen trail]

yea, a lot of people came back play on the server because of this map

[slender jewel]

but its boring to play them all the time

[hardy dove]

the most old maps right now are Under da sea, toys, beach and western

[tame jasper]

added love To3 - working on converting city now

[slender jewel]

I mean those who have stayed in the map rotation the longest

those 4 maps havent been changed for a year at least

so next rotation they should be changed with some other maps

[hardy dove]

One question, if maps of 3 have 12 players, why under da sea and toys have 12 too?

[hardy dove]

Oh okkey

[tame jasper]

ik underdasea used to be To3 - with 18 players so got converted to a To2 - Toys was always To2?

[tulip socket]

yeah toys was to2

[tame jasper]

just released City To3 - I've made quite a few changes to it, since well. It was a mess with limited amount of gens and was more decoration than gameplay

Unsure if it will play well but it's a fairly OG map which was requested

[tulip socket]

yeah I like the map, I think most people atleast don't mind it

why did you cut an island on each side tho

[tame jasper]

next rotation might play around with 5 vs 5 or 2 vs 2. This rotation was mainly to get To3 maps in

would have made it 18 players, longer waiting time

[tulip socket]

is 18 players that bad tho?
I feel like the playercount can't support much more but 18 should be fine, no?

[hardy dove]

Yea maybe, but I am trying to say that if maps of 4 are 16 players, and maps of 3 are 12 players, why under da sea and toys has 12 players? it should have 8 players

[queen trail]

18 is a lot of people

[tulip socket]

yeah maybe but there are already lots of 16 player maps

[hardy dove]

Oh ye I agree with you, cubecraft dont have too many players

[hardy dove]

Imagine tea party come back

with 40 players xD

[tulip socket]

why I would die for that, its just way too many players

[queen trail]

Could Volcanic's return be considered please? I've been thinking and I think it would be good to replace it with a map of 4, since a party of 4 can still play in volcanic and also volcanic is 12 players instead of 16, which means it would start earlier and would not have to wait as long as a map of 16 people. It does the function of a map of 4 and people would be happy to see this map stays.

About the winfarm issue, during all this time that this map has been there has been no big issue and not many people have complained, besides there have been hardly any parties of 6 as it is not always available

[real ivy]

+1

[tulip socket]

+1 (keep the big team size tho)

[hardy dove]

I agree with the last part

There wasnt a p of 6 because volcanic wasnt avaiable always

[tired berry]

thank for cute maps 🥰

[hardy dove]

so what about this?

[nova plinth]

please consider bringing decoration effort to the maps

[queen trail]

What about the removed FFA maps? Are they gonna be in rotation aswell?

[tame jasper]

so if volcanic gets added back, another map needs to be selected to be rotated out.

any ideas which one

[real ivy]

more than 50% of the maps are 4v4v4v4 so i think we should change it with any of those, i personally would rotate out Mangrove

[queen trail]

yea I agree with Palace or Mangrove, there are many maps of 4 and I think this is of the oldest ones

[hardy dove]

Oh yeah, and also the people who play in party of 4 can join volcanic ^^

[tired berry]

volcanic = budget eggwars

don't remove palace our lord and saviour for the olden days for it

delete mangrove 🤮

[frank silo]

If any 4 map has to be removed, I'd say Mangrove. It has a layout quite similar to the new Cyperpunk map. (Egg on the ground, semi island close to mid and base (not a long bridge needed) and relatively small middle)
So those maps offer similar playstyles.

Palace, Beach and Western are all unique in design and therefore they require different playstyles

Overall I am not that much of a fan of volcanic. It invites larger parties to play fast games and farm wins quickly. Probably 80% of those games are done within 2 minutes (would be the case for any map with 2 teams). I have no problem with others playing that map if they want to but it feels unfair to remove a good old map, just so others can winfarm again.

Besides that I don't think it is fun for new players to play their first game on volcanic just to lose in 2 minutes

[queen trail]

Can you get the maps from FFA like flowers, space for example back in rotation? they were very fun and loved in the community and made so many people from the leaderboard quit

[hardy dove]

You can win every map in 2m with p of 2,3 or 4

Also if you want variability in the maps, there are no two teams

with different playstyles and unique design

[frank silo]

Maps with only 2 teams are basically designed to have unfair games. Why do you want volcanic back btw?

[hardy dove]

And why unfair games?

There are too many party of 4 that can join on that map and do 4v4 (+ randoms)

but not our fault if some1 party is scared and they leave

[frank silo]

Volcanic is just speedrunning eggwars

[frank silo]

Because if youre in a party with lets say 4 ppl, you can just all immediately rush the opponents and win immediately (if theyre new players)

In maps with 4 teams, you need to split and rush and thats not always fast and easy

[queen trail]

Thats not true, that would be Nightmare for example when it was always open and there were parties of 8. But this is not the case, this map has not been abused and is not always available. People were happy with this map and during all this time it has been available there has been no issue

[frank silo]

I'd like to know what people love so much about volcanic

[queen trail]

maybe because the fact of having many people in your team is more fun and unique, than the boring 4v4v4v4

[frank silo]

Nightmare, mansion, rome, orc and volcanic are all examples of maps that you can speedrun as long as youre in a party. I have no issues with ppl playing any of those maps, I just think its unfair to remove a good old map just to encourage people to winfarm again on volcanic

[queen trail]

Mangrove can be removed instead of Palace

[frank silo]

I have no problem with 6v6v6v6 maps. Also many people in a team. Volcanic could be 6v6v6v6 but I don't think that is a good idea with the current player count

[frank silo]

I agree but preferably no map should have to be sacraficed in order for ppl to winfarm again

[hardy dove]

Well, its your opinion, I respect, but respect also my opinion.

[frank silo]

Yeah I respect your opinion, I just want to know what is good about that map

[queen trail]

again? during this time it has not been abused for winfarm, why would it be now? besides it is only 1 map, it is not always available, people like it, I don't find the problem to be honest

[frank silo]

Like I said, even though I don't like the map myself, I don't mind others playing it. I dont see a problem with keeping that map either. I just dont like it that another map has to be removed for it

For me Volcanic has no added value. When I play against tryhard parties on that map, they'll just leave. And I am not playing against some new players on that map who are discovering how the game works

I still don't see why others love volcanic so much. I am quite curious what that map has to offer that others don't.

[hardy dove]

Well I dont think that there is some1 who love all the maps, there are always maps that we dont like, but lucky, we have rank and we can just dont select it

[frank silo]

Yeah I know. But I am still curious about what volcanic has to offer that other maps don't. You don't have to answer it but in general from anyone, I'd like to hear it

[hardy dove]

well, as you said, that is a map with unique design and different playstyle

brb eat time

[frank silo]

Yeah but I could go in depth about what other maps such as beach and palace make so good. But I am just curious about why the design and playstyle makes the map so good? (Volcanic)

[autumn verge]

walking in a straight line isn't a play style - which is at least 80% of the games on a map with two teams

The map is relatively fun with two good teams, but this almost never happens. So it's mostly used to get quick games with zero effort, any one saying they want to map of different play style is lying to themselves

The line is the first map rotation; so under da sea, western or volcanic made you play again 🤔

[hardy dove]

Part by part

It is possible that the games in Volcanic are not always serious, but honestly, any map does not always have serious games, and I say this because I play many games in one day.
Second, in case it is an interesting game (volcanic), it has strategies, since you can go to the middle for diamonds or to the sides that benefit you with gold too, and with that you can buy pick and ancient to break, but not I plan to talk more about my strategies that are mine. (casper)
Third, I do not feel comfortable speaking in this conversation, using data that I cannot obtain, and I also do not want two great friends of mine for a long time to be angry with me since I feel some negativity, so I do not feel that this is a free channel to express your opinion if they ask you the same thing all the time, so I'm not going to continue with the conversation.
Fourth, for your information Fesa, I came back for the winstreak which I thought was curious.

[autumn verge]

Of course any map can have quick games, but you still have to kill more than one team. It takes at least some effort and the entire team has to play to make it fast.
Any map, not just volcanic, with only two teams is inherently unfair. I'd love to see mangrove rotated out for an other layout as we have the square in cyber city now; but not for volcanic cause it'll just be used for wins

No one would argue Mansion, Rome, and Orc weren't used to win farm in the past, I did it as well. Idk why anyone would say differently of volcanic

[hardy dove]

@autumn verge add me on discord

[autumn verge]

done x

[tame jasper]

okay will keep volcanic rotated out, may rotate it back in next rotation. I've published post now, thanks for all the feedback. Will take on board for next rotation

[queen trail]

Aleko started playing again and being active when Volcanic was added, like a lot of people included me because is a fun map, but now show the data of wins he has in each map, you will see how Volcanic isnt the map on which he has played more

[autumn verge]

I don't have that, I only have leaderboard data.

[queen trail]

then this isnt valid

[hardy dove]

Can you add me on discord just to ask you another thing (not about this)

later you can remove me if u want

[queen trail]

volcanic is only like the 20% of all the wins done

[queen trail]

very funny to see how you are against someone's argument just because he have passed you in the leaderboard

[autumn verge]

He plays more, ofc he passed me

I've said the exact same things to Dreamer who wanted to keep Volcanic earlier, I think the map is unfair regardless of who is saying it

[queen trail]

then why are you revealing his personal data

[autumn verge]

wat

[queen trail]

trying to create an argument that has nothing to do with what we are talking

[autumn verge]

Anyone can look at the leaderboards

[cursive vine]

Hi

But is mangrove getting removed?

Or is it possible to remodel it?

[autumn verge]

Not currently, all these changes are here https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/360724/

[cursive vine]

But for a future rotation maybe?

[tame jasper]

for next rotation, could be:

• EW Mangrove being rotated out
• Arcade SW rotated in
• EW Volcanic???
• EW try a new team size
• EW Love will likely be rotated out
• LI new map made

[hardy dove]

Can you add me on discord please? just to tell you an idea and later you can remove me if u want

about eggwars and not about this

[tame jasper]

will make another one of these in a couple of months time, when I get a more organised list for proposed changes

[hardy dove]

Can you say yes or not about my message? please

[tame jasper]

no if you have a suggestion I'd recommend #1020781624079687791

[hardy dove]

Okey ty

[queen trail]

I like all the changes, but we all agree that volcanic should be implemented and Mangrove should be removed I think, I don't understand because only one person has said something which is not true at all and discard the idea of adding volcanic and removing Mangrove, I think it would be better to do it now and not have this conversation again in 3 months when everything has already been talked about

[cursive vine]

And is remodeling not an option? Like maybe make the distance/gap between SI and second middle a bit larger so it wont be so easy to get to middle. Another thing could be to make the middle more flat, so remove the stair pillars and maybe make room for pvp. I also think that second middle/semi island is too big in comparison to middle. So let second middle shrink and make middle more flatten out?

[queen trail]

What about rotating the removed ffa maps?

[cursive vine]

I agree with Laura on the last part, but I is not helpful to point fingers to people who just want to give their opinion. But can't their be changes to Volcanic? Like maybe make it harder too rush, like increasing the distance required to get from SI to middle? That would mean that you cannot with just the money bays kit get to middle