EggWars - Armour in OP Mode

[bright fable]

Heya CubeCrafters!

For this community talk, we’d like to discuss some of the points made about armour in the previous community talk posts, with emphasis on the topic of leather armour.

Here are some points to discuss:

• Would you like to see a return of leather armour in OP? Feel free to tell us why (or why not)!
• What about chain armour?
• Should the protection levels of pre-enchanted gear in OP be increased, lowered or left as it is?

[opaque solar]

hi im first

• leather armor back in op would be good (i didnt even know they removed it 💀)
• chain armor doesnt really matter imo because it looks goofy
• protection levels should be left as is

(i forgot everything cubecraft related)

[fading wren]

@opaque solar why would you like for it to be returned?

[opaque solar]

leather >>> netherite

and cuz its cheeper

[fading wren]

Armor is already quite cheap as is though?

[opaque solar]

how much is it

cuz i forgot

[vapid helm]

In my opinion, I like the current order of armor in OP, it's different than Normal it feels "really OP", plus Netherite is given a chance to be part of it, their price is "expensive" balanced with the rest.

[pseudo torrent]

Ye im thinking the same to leave armor as it is right now.

[paper steppe]

Iron armour is currently 20 Iron for a full set. When leather armour was around, Iron armour costed diamonds. Leather armour used to be 4 Iron for a full set.

[pseudo torrent]

*10 iron i think

[keen patrol]

https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/eggwars-tweaks.358020/ considering a reccomendation to readd leather and make it back to prot 4 got 21 positive reactions i reckon maybe that👍

[ember tide]

YES YES YES YES YES, with the weapons we have now, leather and chain armor will balance the fights, imo, and EVERY other competitive players opinion, leather armor was super balanced to fight with early game, which is why I enjoy the op eggwars kit duel cause it still has leather armor, also, bring back the og miner kit pickaxe🙏🏻 I can't think of a single soul that would choose the miner kit pickaxe when they can just buy the same pickaxe for 2 iron(note: getting diamond armor in literally like 30 seconds is extremely broken which is why I like wilds post about bringing the og armor AND prices back just like s1)

[ocean crown]

This

[ocean crown]

10 iron was season 2 (and we don’t talk about season 2 )

[spare stirrup]

It is in fact 10 (prices are the same across Java & Bedrock)

[ocean crown]

I personally think one of the biggest reasons players want leather armor is back because

1. It’s cheaper - almost acts as a starting gear that’s guaranteed if you step foot on a generator
2. It breaks relatively easily which forces players to play more strategically (ex rushers or scrimmers likely have to replace their set after a fight - or late game you need to replace it quickly before it gets shred by late game weapons)

I don’t see any negative side to adding leather armor back personally.

[ocean crown]

I read that wrong I thought they said leather armor oops

[zealous dune]

Me personally, I think we should be focusing on a skyblock update

[ocean crown]

Well the team was and then they weren’t so now they’re not

[ember tide]

Nah let's add a rocket launcher event instead

[zealous dune]

It was clearly communicated by the admins AND devs that a skyblock update would come early to mid 2024

And yet it won’t happen

[ocean crown]

I don’t remember them ever giving a date

Not that it matters because there is no end update anymore. Let’s discuss leather armor instead

Oh yeah and as for chain, I honestly don’t see the point. If we add leather back we already have enough tiers of armor:

Leather (very early) -> iron (early) -> diamond (mid game) -> netherite (late game)

The armor tiers mostly cover everything already

[zealous dune]

That’s slightly irrelevant

[ocean crown]

What’s irrelevant

[zealous dune]

Leather armor compared to skyblock

[ember tide]

nuh uh

[ocean crown]

Ok well then feel free to complain about skyblock in #🪓︱skyblock because this is a community thread for leather armor. Perhaps a community talk for skyblock will come about in the future and you can bring it back up

[ember tide]

slay

[zealous dune]

It won’t and you know that

[ocean crown]

agreed

[ionic fern]

WE DEFINETLY NEED AND WANT LEATHER ARMOR BACK!! IT WILL BE A HUGE PLUS FOR EW

[keen patrol]

point 2 is literally it i loved it breaking

[ember tide]

Not just the leather armor but all the og prices for the armors aswell🙏🏻

[ember tide]

Nowadays it takes 300000 hits to break diamond armor

[vapid helm]

Leather armor fits better in basic and normal modes, starting with iron makes a difference and makes OP different, plus it's cheap.

However, Leather armor can be good if added before the Iron armor.

Leather > Iron > Diamond > Netherite (expensive)

[ember tide]

get this guy outta here

[rocky field]

Would like leather back so the fights don't drag on for so long early game

[keen patrol]

nah netherite is so bad.
the reason that chain was good is it was 40 gold (expensive) and not super super good. iron is such a big jump which is why it should be diamonds, with chain bridging the gap by being gold

you should not be able to get iron armour or better just from staying at your spawn base

[vapid helm]

The netherite is useful for casual users (especially touch), it gives them another gameplay, in a "common" game few tend to use it, raising the price a little more would be perfect

Could be: Leather (Iron ingot) > Iron (Gold Ingot) > Diamond (Diamonds) > Netherite (More diamonds)

[keen patrol]

Leather (4x iron) > chain (40x gold) > iron (20x diamonds) > diamond (128x diamonds)

how it was.

if they want netherite they could find another way to make it possible but slightly more balanced such as only being obtainable for like 2 pieces or once per game or whatever

[ember tide]

So you want bad mobile players to have netherite and take 0 kb on a bridge

Getting full diamond prot4 is already enough

There's no reason for an armor to effect ur kb in a pvp game

[fading wren]

Isn’t this basically season 1? Gens are a lot faster (upgraded) now. Playing with iron these days makes me realize it’s not that OP but still gives the player a chance against a full diamond coming on your island. So I believe it’s something that should still be able to bought from island resources.

[keen patrol]

swords are the same as they were season 1, which is partly why I'm suggesting this for armour.
And that is in part because the iron is only prot 3. Just in general the pervious system worked so well.

I completely get the game needs updates but that doesn't need to mean changing parts of the game players like, instead you could add new things which is why with netherite I've thought about it being obtainable as a mid perk, maybe 3 times a game

[ember tide]

How about we just forget about netherite🤦🏻‍♂️

If we're still using season 3, then just keep the ancient debris, discounts, game perks, and crossbows, those are the only things that keep eggwars balanced

Cause I know for a fact 80% of people want the og armor and prices back

[plain nymph]

true facts bro

[proven hatch]

Privated im gonna be done before u I think it shud be added 👍

[urban salmon]

• I would love to see leather back for many reasons. Firstly is that fights drag on for so long. If swords are going to remain the same but armour gets buffed then it makes fights way to long and annoying. As someone who streams Cubecraft alot and gets rushed over and over by players its super annoying because it takes so long to kill them. Also gear does not break at all (i know it still does but it takes so long) which means backup sets are really not necessary like they used to be. You always had to make sure to keep an eye on your armour but you no longer have to do that because an iron set lasts so long. Iron armour feels like more of a later game set, not an early game set.
• Wouldnt be against adding chain back as it was a nice middleground and something that made sense to spend gold on.
• Go back to Prot 4 , it just looks nicer and i see no reason for it to be prot3 other then "it needed to be different from s1"

[ember tide]

they should also bring back terracotta

It looked nicer, mined better, and also there was just no good reason to even change it to concrete

[shrewd river]

add leather armour and make netherite a perk

[chilly tartan]

but cubecraft on 1.19

[hoary raptor]

I agree with bringing back leather armor to OP:

Leather armor is meant to be the the lowest armor tier you can get. It shouldn't last the entire game unless you don't take too many hits. By bringing back leather armor, the element of breaking people's armor also returns. Iron armor price should also be increased because its strong and should be a mid game armor. Also, I missed seeing team colors by their leather armor (and is enchanted too, which makes it look better)

Netherite armor should be removed due to it being too OP, has way too much durability, same strength as diamond armor, and the bonus of reduced knockback when full set is equipped. Diamond armor is meant to be end game armor due to it having the highest durability and protection of all armor sets in the game.

As for chain armor, something only a few people talked about is bringing gold armor to the game instead of chain armor:

The reason for gold armor to be brought instead of chain armor is because it has lower durability than chain armor, which has the same durability as iron armor, and has slightly less protection than chain armor. With gold armor added to the game instead of chain armor, there will actually be a reason to upgrade from a gold helmet to an iron helmet, while with chain armor, that's pointless. I'll leave that for others to choose between gold or chain armor, I don't mind which one is chosen.

Protection 3 is good enough for armor in my opinion, I don't think it should be increased to protection 4 but once again I'll leave that for others to decide. Either way, both options are good

Armor prices should be adjusted too:

4 iron for leather armor
30 or 40 gold for gold or chain armor (depends on which one is chosen)
32 diamonds for iron armor
128 diamonds for diamond armor
If Netherite armor for some reason is not removed, 256 diamonds

Armor pieces in my opinion should cost the same for each piece, like how it used to be

Side note:

Off topic, but I believe that diamond pickaxe should cost gold, because ancient debris costs gold

[keen patrol]

no i dont think this reflects the community privqted

[shrewd river]

I voted no 🙂

[native pelican]

im going to say it again for the love of god
they can reduce the netherite armour durbility and the kb res

[unkempt crag]

What should be the prizes according to you

[unkempt crag]

There should be a diamond pick for like 6 or 8 gold

[hoary raptor]

Yeah that’s what I’m suggesting. Hopefully they’ll consider it as one of the possible tweaks in the update

[unkempt crag]

Yeah

[pseudo torrent]

Ye I agree it doenst state the communities opinion only a small propotion of it.

[urban salmon]

which is why cubecraft should make polls on their social medias that are 20x bigger then me 😄

[tough bane]

The problem with polls is that it doesn't state the reasoning behind people's choices, and plus, even our polls don't reach 1/10th of our actual players.

That's the importance of these discussions; the why.

I'm interested to know why people want it back, how it affects gameplay, what it offers, what it takes away. This is what we did with the punch bows, the community wanted them back, they explained they're a good way to counter Netherite, and they helped balance that out, with few drawbacks, so we added them back.

If the only reasons people give for leather are "Because that's how it used to be." or "Because it's weaker for a starter armour." then I'm not really interested in adding it back in, and I'll explain why.
As I said with season 2, we were losing players because the majority would join, buy leather, be instantly eliminated by another player due to the weakness of it, find it boring, quit, never play again.
Iron armour as a starting armour allows those players a better chance at surviving encounters with other players, which gives them more of an incentive to keep playing.

This is why I'm curious if people think adding in chainmail as a tier 1 armour and bumping up the others could offer a good middle ground.
As I said, I need to know the Why behind people's opinions. ☺️

[ember tide]

If somebody got instantly killed and they think it's the Leather armors fault, it's not, they very clearly just need to improve. Also e#relatednoobs brings up amazing points in his message to why leather should be added back, if you haven't read it already.

[urban salmon]

i mean with polls u could also add people why they want it back and to comment their reasoning. thats what i did for mine. even if its 1/10th of the playerbase if those people would like it back and give a valid reason then it should be considered

the ss is just stuck loading for me idk if itll load

[spare stirrup]

I think dc is dying, they don't load for me either and take 5m to upload

[unkempt crag]

It just says failed to load

For Or me

[urban salmon]

well heres the link to the community post with my viewers reasons for wanting it https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxgKVRBLR238_g501U4C2Ox0hjEqTHEiYD

[unkempt crag]

I agree with many people on the post saying
it adds more strategy and needs more knowledge of the game situation

[spare stirrup]

I'm still formating

That wasn't supposed to send yet, I hate discord

This is me replying as an EggWars player, not QA;

Realistically, adding back leather armour will not change much early game for anyone here. I doubt anyone here is going to die because of it, the only change you'll see is that anyone not as good will die quicker because it has a lot less protection, and you win faster in public games. (You will also see the change I will talk about later, indirectly, but that's not in your reasons).

Because everyone here keeps screaming I don't play Bedrock (the client sucks leave me alone) to anything I say, I've played a bunch of Mega, and fours games over the last few days and I'm fairly convinced the same would happen on Bedrock. If you think otherwise, feel free to convince me otherwise, I know I don't play Bedrock as often as any of you so I will listen. (I know playing it for a few days isn't the same, but it's better than once a few month for non-qa reasons. And, the client is such a pain I can't play it more than this sorry 🙏)
On a related note, please start using leaps, you all die way too easy, once in the void and you're dead. But mad respect with that painfully slow shop, you have my condolences

I'm also convinced all of you have the current problem backwards, there is no need for less durability in the early game. There is need for less durability in the late game. The reason no one is dying now is because diamond armour is dirt cheap, and breaks so slow that you are fine just having one extra set and replacing everything at once, rather than sometimes losing two pieces and dying due to dmg because you replaced it to slow. Which is rather boring to say the least.
I do think armour should be shifted a slot, such that diamond armour costs diamonds, this way the much higher durability ones will not be this cheap, and people will actually run out of it when fighting. As you have some control over it, it's easy to limit someone's diamond intake. You can't do this for gold really.

So, adding in chain armour, as proposed above, as the first seems more reasonable than leather to me. It would also be a lot less of a drastic change, since chain is a lot closer to iron in term of protection. Yes I know, chain & iron have the same dura, but again, I don't think a change is needed early game. I only think we need less easy access to dura in the late game.

I also don't want prot 4 to return, on Java we played it with half health, having to half your health to make the game playable means it wasn't balanced

As for prices, I don't want it how it was before, nor do I want all pieces to cost the same (as some people have suggested). A chest plate is much better than a helmet, it should cost more !!.
I think just changing gold to diamond for diamond armour is fine. I want it to be rather cheap, but always more than 16 (amount on a lvl3 dia gen).
Iron to gold, can also be the same ig. And the chain could be 4 iron ig to make some people that are obsessed with the old prices happy. Anyway, I've not got too much of an opinion on the prices. They're rather trivial to me really.

I do like what was said above about it being always available which should help people just respawning. I've never not have enough for 4 iron armour, but I've needed to run back for 10 iron armour

On a final note, anyone that wants nether armour gone just has a skill issue and anyone with less than 75 days of play time isn't allowed to have an opinion ✌️ /s (don't fire me thx)
gtg eat now

lets go nitro

anyway, that is my two cents on this

[ember tide]

nobody cares

[shrewd river]

TOXIC

[keen patrol]

Leather armour make people die faster sure, but thats mitigated if the protection is reverted to prot 4 which it would have to be to keep it balanced. (and should be).

Your point about durability isn't really what we're talking about. armour breaking is important early and late game, which is why full netherite shouldnt be a thing because it just will not brwak. In s1 on long games you had to have multiple diamond sets as preparation, but also leather breaking can punish people for not thinking ahead and also make you feel like you come out of fights 'battered' which is a cool feeling imo.

chain first would have to have prot values reverted to 4 but would still be fairly fgood just for iron, and the point is that iron armour should cost diamonds which means that there should be a set for gold and one for iron

[paper steppe]

Honestly I 100% agree with this.

[spare stirrup]

Armour breaking is the durability, so I have no idea why that wouldn't be the point- it's literally the consequence of the other
You're also inflating the nether armour as if it's double diamond or something. There is a 12% difference... it breaks, like 50 hits later.. if you're used to play against sets of diamond, you can break netherite- lol. You're also spam hitting on bedrock so it should break even faster, and then frequently break on Java...

I know that leather armour breaking can punish people, I just don't think it's worth the trade. Laura mentioned that it's important to give newer players some chance, I think that added leather armour will change barely anything for any one here, and make the game so much harder for less good people.

Iron prot 3 is slightly better than leather prot 4 as well. So wouldn't really fix it. I also don't think we should fix early games problems introduced only because we wanted something to be the same as in the past by doing something that massively changes late game.
Any armour also doesn't have to cost any specific resource. That's just how it was, nothing dictated it should still be those

[pallid rover]

Eggwars been LK broken since the removal or leather and chain, no matter what if you want an advantage over anyone your forced to go to middle. You can have a full diamond set with an iron sword kill another player and have them in the span of 15 seconds have the exact same armor and sword you have. Back then it would be starting off at leather then after taking a couple people out a chain chest plate then maybe even some leggings and if 💩 hit the fan iron, but rarely would you ever get to diamond armor (Netherites equivalent back then) nowadays 3minutes in people not only have full diamond but netherite chest plates too. In all bring back leather and chain make iron diamond and netherite something you’d have to venture out to middle for and just put armor prices back to pre season 2🙏

[ember tide]

Your really just terrible at this, are you.

It's not about the skill of players it's about the balancing of the game😭

[ember tide]

THANK YOU

I love the part when u said "if you want an advantage you have to go middle"

Now we can just get full diamond prot 3 at base like this is so stupid😭😭

Which btw like after 30 seconds of the game it makes iron armor completely irrelevant

[pallid rover]

Yerp

[agile sun]

I don't care what you do with armour as long as strenght pots cannot crit through gaps. Through the set bought with like 20 gold or 20 dia or something like that ofc, if you buy armour with iron tokens you will just die

[opaque solar]

im super late (because im just reading my unread stuff) but wasnt there a diamond pickaxe in op for 5 gold???

[unkempt crag]

Exactly

[nocturne hinge]

Spittin facts yo

[elfin willow]

And E5 stone in miner kit

[hoary raptor]

Agreed

[unkempt crag]

Fr

[ionic fern]

Why did u change the channel name

Wasn't it associated with leather armor

Instead of armour in op mode

Yall gotta balance the armour prices and add back the old armour system fr

Diamond armour shouldn't be that cheap

Iron armour could be gold while the leather armour can be iron

Diamond armour can be expensive with gold or normal price with diamonds

And netherite can be expensive diamond

^^^this is the best idea imo

[unkempt crag]

Iron with 20 gold and diamond with 20 diamond
Nethrute 120

[limpid tinsel]

I th8bk leather armour should come back because cubecraft killed thetheir scrim comm and I wanna scrim again

[shrewd river]

yawn

[burnt belfry]

No i would like tht it dosent come back iron armour r cheap and it gives more good lvl of pvp

[pallid rover]

cute channel

how to moderate

what is moderator

[pallid rover]

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[ember tide]

complete opposite

[hoary raptor]

No, leather armor is better than iron armor for starting gear. They are both similar in protection, the only difference is that leather armor is likely to break mid fight which does bring strategy into the game. Iron armor as starting gear defeats that purpose

[ember tide]

??

[fading wren]

Please be more respectful towards the other players. Everyone’s opinion matter. We should not be suiting the tastes of only grinders, casual players make up a lot of the player base.

[hoary raptor]

I played CubeCraft Bedrock since launch, so I’m not a non. I’m also a grinder, but I stopped playing OP due to the changes in armor balancing and the fact that Netherite Armor exists ☠️

[sturdy nexus]

^

[chilly tartan]

😂

[pallid rover]

What could be nice is that you only can buy the leggings en boots in OP mode and the helmet and chestplate is always leather

And maybe keep your armor for the rest of the game so we dont have hours and hours in just one game

[urban salmon]

so copy bedwars

[unkempt crag]

Lmao

[plain nymph]

kinda

[urban salmon]

when this 🥺

[hoary raptor]

Ikr

[unkempt crag]

Fr

[elfin willow]

Can cube hurry up and add it

[hoary raptor]

Agreed

[unkempt crag]

Agreed

[ember tide]

Shut up

[gray vault]

Jeez at this point just close the community talk the prices are good as it is and shouldn’t be changed

[hoary raptor]

Disagreed, the armor balancing is terrible, especially with how cheap mid tier armor is. In my opinion, armor should go from leather (6 iron) to chain (40 gold) then iron (32 diamonds) then finally diamond (128 diamonds). If 4 armor tiers is too much, you can remove chain armor and make iron armor 40 gold

[proven hatch]

honestly

[pallid rover]

disagree with perk shop, chain, leather, prot 4, debris, generators, and lobby

[pallid rover]

Spat pure facts besides Gens and strength