shutdown java

[rain cloak]

its clear that the 1.19 update on java is a complete disaster. cubecraft is losing money to maintain a server that doesn't even get 1k players. shutting down java will also put more resources towards their main source of income (bedrock) which will make future updates alot better

[distant current]

true

[ocean helm]

That would upset a lot of people

[rain cloak]

java is basically a lost cause now
many people were angry with the 1.19 update

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-cat-monch-cat-monch-spinfal-gif-19376414

[rain cloak]

I don't think you have any idea how bad the update really is

[ocean helm]

It's really not that bad

Name one thing bad about it

[rain cloak]

from a financial standpoint, it doesn't make any sense to update a server that gets less than 1k players and delay an update for a server with 10k+ players

[ocean helm]

They are trying to save it

[rain cloak]

performance
maps
items
eggwars
bugs
excuses

[rain cloak]

they are clearly failing at it

[ocean helm]

performance is fine, your device must be the issue
What's wrong with maps
What's wrong with items
EggWars is fine, there really is no issue
Bugs are fixable and are currently in the process of being fixed
What excuses?

[rain cloak]

1 sec

admins have taken a step into the wrong direction and are neglecting the community.
first off, the player counts of last year were around 1500 players. today, the player counts are only between 800-900 today
https://minecraft-mp.com/server/24755/stats/
this has resulted in a playercount of 40% to almost 50%
The admin team did not ask the community what they wanted for the new update. They also removed game modes which still had players, such has tower defense and miner ware, which contributed to the playercount loss. They asked about what people wanted for the egg wars update AFTER they released 1.19 but they should have done it BEFORE the update even began to be worked on.

most of the new content they added was new maps, which could have been done on 1.12. only difference would be different blocks. 1.19 is far from a step in the right direction. it hasn’t done anything but evolved backwards.
balancing items is not going to fix the 1.19 update because they did not do the update right in the first place. If they had simply listened to the community before and while working on the update, it might have actually saved the java server and it won’t have the player counts that it would have now as mentioned above.

The excuse that admins that came up with "beta" for the bugs that do exist is not a valid argument. story originally said it would take 4 months for the update to come out, which actually took 3 months extra, and they labeled the update as beta and soft launch for the amount of game breaking bugs and bad game changes

had the 1.19 update been done correctly the first time, it would have been a success. but since they failed to deliver that. The consequences of neglecting your community is already showing, not only in terms of player counts, but also in anger expressed by longtime java players. people in this thread (which includes 2 ex-mods) summed up the update pretty well https://www.cubecraft.net/threads/this-server-isnt-what-it-used-to-be-and-its-bad.345568/

long story short, they failed at their last opportunity to save the java network

[sharp sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monday-left-me-broken-cat-talking-cat-gif-4255367456898854409

[ocean helm]

Let's imagine, if you will, that you are an admin for Cubecraft.
Now not only do you have to deal with a crappy community but also the hundreds of bugs reported each week, life would be pretty stressful, wouldn't it? Let's also talk about the fact that Cubecraft is based in the UK, which has the same timezone as where I live. I HAVE SEEN THEM POST SERVER STAUS UPDATES AT 4AM! They are working day and night!

The 1.19 update wasn't simply about updating the server to 1.19, it was converting the games to the new framework and making it easier for the team to make new updates for us. The 1.19 was chaotic for them, they litterally went through 5 project leads to get it out on both networks. They are trying to make it work and people like you aren't making it any easier.

[rain cloak]

I love how you are ignoring most of my points that I made
this doesn't change the fact that the playercounts are terrible
even if the new frameworks are good, it won't be enough to save java because the update wasn't done correctly the first time like it shouldve have been
imagine you wait for 7 months, for an underwhelming update with garbage changes and on top of that, they still arent willing to admit that the 1.19 upate was bad
I also already said that story said that the update would take around 4 months to complete, but it took 3 extra months for it to be released
you cant just lie to your community like that

[ocean helm]

STORY LEFT IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE!

[rain cloak]

ik that

[ocean helm]

WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS DEFEND THE STAFF, THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS TO!

[rain cloak]

im just saying u cant say this will be done in x amount of time then delay it much further

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[ocean helm]

They didn't know, did they?

[rain cloak]

you are delusional
they did not even ask what the community want before 1.19 development even began

this update is exactly like cyberpunk 2077s release

[ocean helm]

Did they ask us if we wanted 5 Weeks of Summer? No, but we liked it.

The same can be said for the 1.19 update, they clearly thought it would be like by us

[rain cloak]

very buggy launch, and then try to fix everything later but nobody will care if that even succeeds

[ocean helm]

Imma quote one of your messages:

I also already said that story said that the update would take around 4 months to complete, but it took 3 extra months for it to be released

[rain cloak]

ok
but the difference with the 1.19 update was that it was supposed to save java

[ocean helm]

They wanted to release it quickly or else people like you would have a tantrum

[rain cloak]

then they should not have said it would take 4 months

[ocean helm]

THEY DIDN'T KNOW!

[rain cloak]

thats not a valid argument
this is why rockstar did not announce gta 6 release date yet

[ocean helm]

PLUS IF THEY SAID
"WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WILL BE RELEASED BUT DON'T EXPECT IT SOON"
THEN WE WOULD LOSE OUR 💩

Then we would have*

[rain cloak]

okay
what about the playercounts?
because that proves everything about this update

[ocean helm]

You are ignoring my points

[rain cloak]

thats very hypocritical

[rain cloak]

what points did I ignore?

[ocean helm]

I am talking about people like you blaming the staff, they had no clue about it, did they?

[rain cloak]

okay, its okay to not know when u are finished working on something, but you cant say that you will be working on the 1.19 update for 4 months, then delay it for a few extra months
this is exactly why rockstar does not announce the release date for gta 6 until they are 100% confident that the game is ready for release by that time

[ocean helm]

IT.
WAS
AN ASSUMPTION

[rain cloak]

so you're telling me that they guessed that the 1.19 update would take 4 months with little/no certainty?

[sharp sedge]

wætër

drink wæter and chill

[rare current]

🤓

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494

Have you never made a guess that turned out to be incorrect?

Let's revert to the original point, Why would they shut down Java? This update can be fixed, performance can be fixed, bugs and be fixed, items and shop prices can be changed. Once the update becomes stable they plan to release some crucial updates including a brand new game. The playercount will rise

[frigid tapir]

I have a good feeling about you

[ocean helm]

What do you mean by that?

[frigid tapir]

I like how u always have a reason for your assumptions

[rain cloak]

I have ofc made incorrect guesses, but you can't compare it to cubecraft because the guesses I made were about completely different things (for example getting a snow day at school)
the admins were the ones in control of the 1.19 update. I did not have any control in making the decision of if there was going to be school the following day
bad argument overall
you also did not really answer my question, yes or no

[rain cloak]

most, if not all of those issues should have been addressed on launch day because this update was supposed to birng a lot of life into java which it failed at. unfortunately, it was not suprising that the update was littered with bugs, bad game changes, and lots of people who were overall upset with this update. The playercount will NOT rise even if they address all of the issues with the 1.19 soon (which I highly doubt they will anyway). The damage has already been done to java and to the reputation of the admins/devs, which is supported by the dwindling playercounts as a result of this lackluster update, so its best to shut it down in order to improve the quality of the future updates for bedrock.

https://minecraft-mp.com/server/24755/stats/

[rare current]

honestly yes shutdown java

nobody gives a damn about it

[ocean helm]

I'm still against shutting down java. It's most of their history.

[rain cloak]

they erased most of their history

and has become a shadow of their former self

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-disbelief-gif-25426768

CUBECRAFT WILL ALWAYS BE A GREAT SERVER!

Also, they plan to bring bacj all those old gamemodes

[rain cloak]

when you keep responding with memes that’s how I know that you are running out of arguments

[ocean helm]

*back

[ocean helm]

Nah, I just like giphy;s

[rain cloak]

x to doubt

even if they do it’s already too late for reasons i explained above

[ocean helm]

They are hardly not gonna try to bring back classic gamemodes that they and the community love.

Unless you haven't realised, Team Cube actually want us to be happy.

[rain cloak]

which they did just the opposite

[rain cloak]

rephrase that
i’m having a hard time trying to understand what you mean by that

[ocean helm]

DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAD NO CHOICE!

THEY COULD HAVE GONE BANKRUPT

[rain cloak]

that’s complete nonsense

[ocean helm]

After developing games over a long period of years, they will want to reinstate them.

[rain cloak]

they make a massive amount of revenue from bedrock

[rain cloak]

what games for example?

[ocean helm]

MinerWare
BlockWars
Tower Defense
Wing Rush
Among Slimes

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-say-nicolas-cage-wow-really-no-kidding-gif-5343842

[rain cloak]

the problem is
they won’t do it anytime soon
even if they do, it’s already too far late
look at what I said above

XD
you lost the argument
politics have nothing to do with cubecraft s horrible update
and i’m pretty sure it’s against the rules

i also responded to all of your arguments so i am listening from your side of the story

[rain cloak]

^

tbh java should've been removed a year ago

devs wasting their time on a server that doesn't make money

didn't they say the games won't be returning unless they get 1k players

[rain cloak]

exactly

[rain cloak]

storysays said that they will have to close down java if the playercounts were under 1k

and they get under that number which is really funny

[sharp sedge]

yes shutdow java

like who even plays it, hypixel just has better and less buggy versions of all cubecraft games. not to mention you are always able to find a game

[rare current]

was*

[rare current]

agreed

just shut down java

[ocean helm]

Bruh

[ocean helm]

If you hate Cubecraft so much just leave the server

[rare current]

bro double pinged me when he couldve put all of this into one message

[rain cloak]

^^

particularly java back in 2016-17

[ocean helm]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-nothing-chin-flick-gif-22794125

[rain cloak]

it’s pretty funny that you’re still talking after losing the argument to me

[ocean helm]

"Losing the argument"

OK mr monkey man

[rain cloak]

XD
ur funny bro
bro is resorting to memes and insults after losing
calm down a bit and we get good

[rain cloak]

nah you did

as soon as you brought politics into this you discredited yourself

[rain cloak]

^^

[rare current]

bro straight up lost an argument

[ocean helm]

The second a third party enters I know I'm done.

[ocean helm]

Fair played. Well done. 🤝

[ocean helm]

TO MY DEFENCE: I know that that was a hugely low blow but in my defence it was 11pm at night.

I admit that was below the belt.

[rain cloak]

ok

[rare current]

ok

[sweet roost]

servers make barely any money from bedrock because of a minecone system

[rain cloak]

its not "barely any" it's 70%

[sweet roost]

its still a huge cut, and I believe it's less than 70%, unless some tax policies were changed

[rain cloak]

it is rather large, but they're selling thousands of ranks

[distant current]

the java server currently makes $0

[rain cloak]

exactly

[rain cloak]

^^

[rain cloak]

If java was shutdown last year then I could guarantee that updates would be a lot more frequent and better quality overall
bedrock is still their main source of income

[sweet roost]

well they're making changes to the java ranks, maybe you should check out my post regarding it

right now java is making little to no profit, but this should change... something

and i think that java shutdown would probably trigger a lot of players (mainly the ogs)

[rain cloak]

nobody is going to pay monthly for a rank on a dead server
it has been long overdue

[rain cloak]

[rain cloak]

they already did that by updating to 1.19 without listening to the community

[sweet roost]

well there's no way to confirm nor deny it, because java is still in beta, and it received little to no promotion

id expect cubecraft to do something bigger when birthday update drops

[rain cloak]

java has been in "beta" for over 4 months now
this update was supposed to give java a new life but instead it did the complete opposite
it's already too late, it's a lot better to shut it down instead of milking it for nothing

[distant current]

only*

[rain cloak]

true

[distant current]

java makes no profit they actually lose money by running the server

[rain cloak]

[sweet roost]

as i said, cubecraft didn't really promote the java update, because it's not technically released yet

[distant current]

it already was promoted

[rain cloak]

well it was supposed to be released in 4 months after storys announcement on the future of cubecraft java
and it was 3 months overdue, not finished yet, and still in its "beta" and trash

[distant current]

the player count shot up at release and fell back down

[rain cloak]

yep

they also never said java was going to be in beta until they actually started to roll it out

[sweet roost]

in what way? all they did was a video on their yt channel, which they do for basically every update they drop. they could do much bigger than this

[rain cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApIbQZt36CM

[distant current]

yk thats more promo than the bedrock update got

they didnt even make an announcement about the bedrock update

[sweet roost]

because it's not that different from the java changes

[sweet roost]

they did announce it on the forums, wym

[distant current]

not in #📢︱announcements

[rain cloak]

^^

[sweet roost]

bedrock doesn't really need a promotion at all, considering it's currently one of the largest network on the server list

[rain cloak]

ok but how does that relate to ur original point of why java should still be up?

[distant current]

well his original point was that microsoft takes a cut from the marketplace

[sweet roost]

it's not? i just said that bedrock doesn't need a huge promo like java does

[rain cloak]

ah

but java should still be closed

[distant current]

true

[sweet roost]

you're a bedrock player, we're built different

[distant current]

put the work where the moneys at

[sweet roost]

java is still a better platform for money

[distant current]

not for cubecraft

[sweet roost]

and it has a much bigger perspective because of yt creators

[distant current]

yt creators dont play cubecraft java

[sweet roost]

not rn, but in the future (when they do a good promo)

[distant current]

wasting more time and money to promote a dead server is not the answer

[sweet roost]

well java shutdown won't speed up the development process much, because both platform receive the same content (whether it's available or not)

[distant current]

afaik both servers use different framework

[rain cloak]

^^

[rain cloak]

nope

doubt that

unless they bring back 1.8 cube eggwars ig but still

cause alot of spanish youtubers loved 1.8 eggwars

[rain cloak]

yes

[rain cloak]

it will speed up bedrock updates alot

cause they will no longer have to fix the 9999 java bugs that currently exist

[rain cloak]

^

they can work on the 9999 bedrock bugs

[rare current]

TRUE

[rare current]

Also true

[sharp sedge]

@honest lion

[rain cloak]

@honest lion Did you take in consideration into that?

[rain cloak]

Can you show me where it has been promoted?

This entire thread is just full with assumptions and things made up on the spot?

@reef comet

[distant current]

when they uploaded a video about it

im not finding it for you

[rain cloak]

Cube has hundreds of connections & creators yet you think that video is "promotion" if they'd put effort in something they'd make sure it isn't a waste.

[distant current]

java was a waste long before the 1.19 update

it shouldve been shutdown 2 years ago

[rain cloak]

Java their community is still way bigger and you want to shut down the server?

Name me 5 creators who are known for playing bedrock, i'll name 30 java ones

[distant current]

who cares about the creators

look at the player counts and the money

java cubecrafts community is also much smaller than bedrocks

[rain cloak]

A lot of players do, just one creator could bring atleast 1000 players on the server if they're dedicated. I have been around for long enough to know that most of the dutch players were brought by the youtubers. Currently Cubecraft doesn't have a creator with a big influence on the community.

[rain cloak]

It isn't about the only about money, it's logical that bedrock makes money since it is crossplay. A lot of those bedrock players are also Java players who bought their rank because they are paying less attention to java lately.

[rain cloak]

Discord is still oretty much the java community and so is the forums

A lot of active members are inactive though and that's normal from their point of view

This thread is just a selfish statement

[distant current]

all of the channels in the games category except for the java channel are all bedrock channels

no one ever talks about java in them

[rain cloak]

Java is completely different than bedrock right now which is why not many of the active members bother to go online

[distant current]

the server hasnt hit 1000 players in over a year because people dont want to play it and neither do creators

[distant current]

which is why it should be shutdown, no one wants to play it

[outer warren]

bedrock players cant talk 🤡

[rain cloak]

as much java used to be good many years ago, it unfortunately is now a former shadow of what it used to be. shutting down the java network will be the best option for cubecraft in the long run.

[rain cloak]

they have hitted 1k a few times this year
but java never hitted 1k consistently in 2023
and java would only temporarily get more players if other servers (such as hypixel) was having issues
but I agree with your points

[autumn cypress]

anyway bedrock comes with java when you buy minecraft and i dont think there are big gameplay differences between them.

[rain cloak]

no there is pretty big differences